Mobo for Athlon 64?
Troels Oxenvad
affordable 3200.
I'd like to know what mobo to get with that, there are a lot to chose from
already.
My instinct tells me to avoid the Via chipsets and go with nForce 3.
All input appreciated.
Troels
kitekrazy
all.
The latest issue of Tom's Hardware Guide covers the latest Athlon 64
boards. Check it out.
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Ted Perlman
You should seriously unconsider that thought.
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"Noel" <no.t...@I.dont.want.your.spam> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 18:23:40 GMT, "Ted Perlman" <ted...@pacbell.net>
> wrote:
>
> ><Seriously considering an Athlon 64 system>
> >
> >You should seriously unconsider that thought.
>
> Any clues as to why, or are you keeping that to yourself? ;-)
>
>
Ted Perlman
Professional bias towards equipment that doesn't interface as well with the
outside world as Intel. Professional bias towards something that is not
supported across the board by not only international computer builders but
by international software manufacturers.
If any of the assholes here who do not interface with anyone but their own
hands while working in the basement want to recommend athlons for DAW work,
then any other assholes that want to take said advice are on their own.
--
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Ted Perlman
kitekrazy
professionals would also recommend MAC. But I will let you and Scott Reams
continue this debate and let the new readers decide.
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jddj
news:yfrAb.33504$KA2....@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com:
> If any of the assholes here who do not interface with anyone but their
> own hands while working in the basement
What else is there to do in the basement besides interfacing with my own
hand?
Dave
Michael
jddj said:
May I suggest getting out of the basement and checking out the barn?
((U))
M
Ted Perlman
Scott builds asshlon systems.
However, I actually use Windows PC's to make records. And (oh my gosh!!) I
get paid for my work!
That's a big difference. Who are you going to listen to?
TP
Steven Myers
> Another reason to really hate Athlons would be if you had lots of INTC
> in your portfolio. <g>
Geez. From a "balanced portfolio" (which I call diversity) standpoint, I
have too much.
But I install AMD chips every chance I get.Do I have a problem here?
I mean, should I continue investing in products that make me more money
while installing products that work better? <only the slightest g>
kitekrazy
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C Hudson
I knew he had no talent :)
Sorry man, couldn't resist
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Call me when you actually start working in music.
TP
Ted Perlman
Spelling : Tankersley.
And he uses P4's now.
Ooops....
TP
Ted Perlman
Are you making a livng in the music business as either a producer, musician,
or anything else where you actually have to deal with the outside world?
I didn't think so. I need my equipment to actually work when people are here
paying me.
TP
Ted Perlman
So does most of the real world. Especially anybody in the music business who
doesn't use a Mac.
TP
Andre Lefebvre
But really, some of this is more than personal bias. A customer brought back
an M-Box because his VIA chumpset couldn't interface... he happily found the
Omnistudio to work best. However, another one, who roams here, (Hi Scott...)
had a Midisport (!) and had to change it to a Biport so he could work MIDI.
Ted rules, man, don't you know? Maybe Athlon is the shit, but Intel is more
tasty... something seems to be lost in the translation, but I'll let you
guys figure it out...
Andre
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the
> outside world as Intel.
Cite specific examples of proof, Ted.
-S
Scott Reams
>
> However, I actually use Windows PC's to make records. And (oh my gosh!!) I
> get paid for my work!
>
> That's a big difference. Who are you going to listen to?
What difference? I use PCs to make records... and actually get paid for my
work. No difference.
-S
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> Noel <no.t...@I.dont.want.your.spam> wrote in message
> >>
> >>You should seriously unconsider that thought.
> >
>
> people theoretically could anonymously commit crimes with them.
>
> That is pretty much moot these days,
It's also moot because most people turn this off in the motherboard BIOS.
-S
Scott Reams
system, you have no idea whether or not it would work in your case. You have
only assumption and conjecture.
-S
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Troels Oxenvad
Does anybody here, with actual hands-on experience with an Athlon 64 3200,
have anything wise to say about motherboards for it?
Troels
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C Hudson
I haven't talked to him in a few months.
my bad I guess, Oh well, I've got big shoulders :)
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Ted Perlman
Name something that actually made it out of your studio that you produced or
played on or arranged or something using one of those piece of shit asslons.
Name one.
TP
Andre Lefebvre
labels aware of this?
Andre
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C Hudson
Intels must be garbage.
Bad Logic Ted, You'll be buying a dual G5 with that frame of mind.
The record companies think crappy music is good, that does not make it good.
At the end of the day, what most people think is not necesaily the truth.
They're just tools guys.
Who cares where the silicon comes from. Does it work? good. Does it make you
money? Good.
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There's your one. I win.
-S
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Prince Lee
Ted, really we know you don't like Athlons or AMD anything for that matter,
but actually you can't make valid statements or accusations about hardware
you haven't dealt with.
And your aged experience with a much older Althon system doesn't count. The
new AMD64 systems
are already considered better for audio and the encoding/decoding of video,
test have show this.
The new Win XP 64 is being built around the technology of the new AMD
processors as well.
National bias simply has no place in these discussions. The majority of
people out there will simply allow
themselves to be moved just because everyone else is doing it. Sadly there
are fewer of us who will rely
on anything more than street knowledge or actually do the necessary homework
it takes to help make the
best decisions.
Those who are willing to understand a thing are always going to get more out
of it than those who aren't.
There will always be those who are simply led by what they're told, for that
reason, there are a great many
companies out there with ProTools/Mac studios and many others with those
pseudo ProTools/Mac_PC
systems.
To the main point, one would also want to consider that the AMD64's can not
be maximized as of yet.
It may be wise to wait for, at least, the release of WinXP64 to find out
just how much you'd be able to get
out of the combo. Also, there is still the question of who is going to jump
on the 64bit bandwagon.
When I see Cakewalk and Audio card manufacturers like EchoAudio jump on
board with drivers written for 64bit
processing then I will start taking it very seriously. This is simply my
choice as I don't like to buy into anything
not fully realized.
As it is now, these 64bit chips are just out running the current competition
as 32bit possessors, which is cool,
but at the same time, with so much untapped power I'd wait and see just how
much can truly be achieved with
them in a full 64bit playfield or at least to see a true beginning with the
64bit OS.
If you must buy now, here are two of the better boards I've seen
http://www.nvidia.com/page/nf3.html and
http://usa.asus.com/products/mb/socket940/sk8v/overview.HTM
Prince Lee
Scott Reams
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> "Scott Reams" <sre...@liquiddaw.com> grabbed the controls of the spaceship
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> > Cake's Fashion Nugget was done on an AthlonMP
>
> Yeah, but they were all reluctantly crouched and stuff. ;)
Ted Perlman
Doing what? Put up or shut up.
TP
Ted Perlman
I said that YOU did. I saw the credits on that one. You were an assistant
engineer on ONE song.
TP
Scott Reams
I did quite a bit of tracking and at least two mixes. You'll notice that for
the record that followed Fashion Nugget, I am listed as an engineer (not an
assistant)... yet I did very little in that case. Of course... it also spent
time on the Athlon system.
-S
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Ted Perlman
Whew!! Thank goodness you didn't have to list TWO things, huh?
Here's how the business breaks down:
Most folks in the "pro" world are still on Macs. That's the truth, whether
anyone here wants to admit it or not.
But there are a lot of guys using PC's on a "pro" level. Out of those guys,
probably 95% are running Intel machines. Most of the major DAW builders make
Intel machines. That's also the facts, whether you want to accept it or not.
Athlons are mostly shit for audio, regarding compatibility, performance,
user friendliness, and life expectancies. Whether a few guys actually use
them on a "pro" level or not doesn't take away from the fact that there are
valid reasons why Carillon and Sweetwater and other big names do not sell
Athlon systems. Accept this, or keep denying the facts.
TP
Kevin Perry
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"Troels Oxenvad" <theoxenvad...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Seriously considering an Athlon 64 system, not the FX but the more
> affordable 3200.
> I'd like to know what mobo to get with that, there are a lot to chose from
> already.
> My instinct tells me to avoid the Via chipsets and go with nForce 3.
> All input appreciated.
>
> Troels
>
>
Scott Reams
> anyone here wants to admit it or not.
...but does this imply that Macs are more stable or more capable than Intel
machines? Of course not. Neither does your claim that more DAW users have
Intel CPUs than have AMD CPUs imply that Intel systems are any more stable
or capable than AMD systems. Don't forget that more people eat at McDonald's
than eat at In-N-Out.... but who has the better burger and better service?
> Athlons are mostly shit for audio, regarding compatibility, performance,
> user friendliness, and life expectancies.
These are vague and inaccurate generalities, Ted. Cite examples. What is the
exact life expectancy difference between an Athlon64 and a Northwood-core P4
CPU? (as a side note... life expectancies of CPUs are meaningless when we
consider how quickly computers are made obsolete by newer technology). What
DAW-specific performance difference is there between an AthlonFX51 and a
3.2GHz P4? What do you know of that has compatibility problems with
Athlon64, but not with P4? How about vice versa (yes, there are examples).
The fact is... you have no idea. All you have is the ability to say "shit
for audio" and hope it means something to someone besides yourself.
Meanwhile... there is nothing you can do on your P4 that I cannot do on my
AthlonFX... and then some. Nothing.
> Whether a few guys actually use
> them on a "pro" level or not doesn't take away from the fact that there
are
> valid reasons why Carillon
I've mentioned this before... and I'll mention it again. I called Carillon
to ask the specific reasons they choose only Intel CPUs. They had only one
reason... they claimed they could not make their systems quiet enough with
an AMD CPU. I know this to be BS... because I can build a quieter air-cooled
system than anything they build... with, yes, an AMD CPU. Easily. Especially
with the lower-coltage Athlon64 and AthlonFX, which I'm sure they've never
even looked at.
Otherwise... the world is simply not the fairytale land of absolutes you
wish it was. It is very well known that companies like Dell enjoy extremely
favorable contracts with Intel simply for the fact that they remain
exclusive with Intel. If they add a single AMD-based product to their line
up, they lose that advantage. Politics play a large part in this. They must
when 95% of review sites are finding AMD's current CPUs to be the fastest
(while also being 100% reliable and compatible) x86 CPUs in existence at
this time almost across the board.
-S
Scott Reams
differences (usually less than 1%)... and generally mixed results. It is
definitely a viable choice, however... although the quality motherboard
choices are a bit slim with this particular chipset right now.
-S
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> Here's how the business breaks down:
>
> Most folks in the "pro" world are still on Macs. That's the truth, whether
> anyone here wants to admit it or not.
Not relevant to the quality or performance of an Athlon machine.
> But there are a lot of guys using PC's on a "pro" level. Out of those guys,
> probably 95% are running Intel machines. Most of the major DAW builders make
> Intel machines. That's also the facts, whether you want to accept it or not.
Same as saying most county players use a Telli instead of a Les Paul.
It has no reflection on the quality of the other instrument.
> Athlons are mostly shit for audio, regarding compatibility, performance,
> user friendliness, and life expectancies.
Purely a personal bias unsupported by facts.
>Whether a few guys actually use
> them on a "pro" level or not doesn't take away from the fact that there are
> valid reasons why Carillon and Sweetwater and other big names do not sell
> Athlon systems. Accept this, or keep denying the facts.
Once again it's purely a matter of prefference, not based of performance
or cost, or reliability...but purely marketability.
Intel is still a "safer sounding" name...because of marketing...tv commercials etc.
The facts are, by spec. and bench testing, that AMD is a better performer
when it comes to plugins.
Your track record with the pro music business has nothing to do with your
personal bias towards intel, which you are totally entitled to, by the way.
Attempting to "use" that track record, as a point of credibility when it comes to
making a judgment about the quality of a product you have very little experience with
is not valid logic.
It's Hollywood smoke and mirrors logic.
Your one bad experience was way back in the dark ages of via, even before KT-133,
and for all we know it was you personal "user error" or lack of insight that was the problem.
Oh and by the way...nice hijack. :-P
An as for my personal opinion, at this point, and right out of the box,
XP isn't as good a performer as Win98SE for CWPA9.
The latency in XP is way out in some other galaxy...same settings, same 1 .wrk file
2 OS partitions on same box......
...............................................however.....
I'm gonna try to tweak XP into place...just for the hell of it.
XP has much less video latency ( lag/drag ) than 98SE.
Now why is that?
That's the only reason I'm gonna try to get my XP partition working with CWPA9.
Steve Karl
>
> TP
>
>
Ted Perlman
I am in constant touch wih users around the world who have problems with
Athlons that are solved by getting P4 machines.
Their bad experiences and more are what leads me to write what I write. But
you know what? You know more than me, so go ahead and waste your money and
your time. I have neither to throw away. Good luck.
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Kevin Perry
recently).
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Andre Lefebvre
question! Aaaahhhh... the good days of the CoffeeHouse are back it seems.
Now why is it happening here in the .audio? Hmmm... we must be hard to
weane...
As the conversation keeps going, I noticed I could use my Delta card with no
problem when I installed Intel chipset. Popcorn AMD didn't like Delta. I
did, so I changed to Intel. It worked much better.
It also cost me around $800 for that change because of the price of the
DDUMRAM on a P4 1.8 ... which ended up being much slower than a T-Bird ...
Oh well, next time around, though... and Win2000 works much better than 98SE
for me here. Won't touch XP for a while.
Andre
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Steve Karl
I'm not competing and don't think I know more than you.
It just seems like you're not supporting your position with any concrete information.
Hearing specific technical details would be good education for all conscerned.
I've not wasted any time or money building and using Athlon machines.
They've all been ( 5 to date ) flawless, reliable and less expensive than Intel/Pentium
as far as I can see.
Any problems encountered were driver updates, easily solved with a little browsing.
I'm sure that you're friends solved their problems by switching to Intel/Pent.
It's also quite possible that the problems could have been solved without changing
motherboard and processor.
Steve Karl
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*cough cough* and friendly input. Jesus Christ you guys, why did you even
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Scott Reams
no
> problem when I installed Intel chipset. Popcorn AMD didn't like Delta. I
> did, so I changed to Intel. It worked much better.
A couple of reasons this doesn't apply to the question at hand...
1) There are no Intel chipsets for the CPU he is asking about. You may as
well have suggested a Mac. :)
2) He never mentioned a Delta interface.
3) Intel is one of several companies that makes chipsets that work well with
Delta interfaces. NVidia and SIS are two more. "Popcorn AMD" doesn't specify
a chipset. If it was Via... well, Via makes chipsets for Intel CPUs as well,
so you can't very well put any blame at all on AMD.
-S
Scott Reams
over a pair of reviews and didn't see anything in that ballpark.
-S
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history tomorrow.
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running flawlessly.
Andre Lefebvre
either more time nor energy to keep on seeking and trying things out by
elimination. At some point, you just want to startup the thing and work! So
I made the change, and it worked way better...
I'm sure it wasn't worth it $-wise, though... if I had had the expertise
things may have been quite different. You got to know when to say you're
stomped, and I certainly was...
:O)
Andre
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using AMD machines then it is not a good idea to buy one.
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> On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 11:06:04 GMT, "Ted Perlman" <ted...@pacbell.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Most folks in the "pro" world are still on Macs. That's the truth,
whether
> >anyone here wants to admit it or not.
> >
> >But there are a lot of guys using PC's on a "pro" level. Out of those
guys,
> >probably 95% are running Intel machines. Most of the major DAW builders
make
> >Intel machines. That's also the facts, whether you want to accept it or
not.
> >
> >Athlons are mostly shit for audio, regarding compatibility, performance,
> >user friendliness, and life expectancies. Whether a few guys actually use
> >them on a "pro" level or not doesn't take away from the fact that there
are
> >valid reasons why Carillon and Sweetwater and other big names do not sell
> >Athlon systems. Accept this, or keep denying the facts.
>
> I doubt that most of us in this forum are pros. Our needs may be
> different than yours. We use what works for us. If Athlons didn't work
> very well for audio, you'd be reading about that here every day.
>
> As a professional, you certainly have a right to comment on what works
> best for you, but your expertise in recording doesn't imply anything
> about your computer expertise. Does an airline pilot know all about
> how his autopilot is designed and built. No. Why? He doesn't have to
> know in order to do his job well.
>
> Finally, it ain't the meat, it's the motion. Ted should understand
> this better than most. Good tools are important, but hardly the
> defining factor in producing excellent work. I always bring up the
> case of master jazz organist Joey DeFrancesco. He plays Hammond B-3s
> on the gig, but if you give this guy a toy synthesizer (or anything
> else), he still sounds fantastic and sounds just like Joey
> DeFrancesco. To quote a Dan Bonow tune, "It's what you do that makes
> it true."
>
> -OF
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Nick Busigin
Hi Scott,
I'm considering getting a system similar to what Troels is looking at,
ie. AMD-64 3200+ CPU and a Gigabyte Mobo. I want to stick a couple
of Delta 1010 cards in it. Is the NVidia nForce chipset on this board
likely to cause me problems with my Delta 1010 cards?
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Delta interfaces. NVidia and SIS are two more>
N'Videa - YES.
However, a great big "NO" as far as SiS is concerned. And that comes from my
own personal experience of the past year.
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Ted Perlman
DDUMRAM on a P4 1.8 ... which ended up being much slower than a T-Bird>
?????????? I have a P4 1.8, and it's fst as shit, and the ram was not rthat
much money. Plain old DDR ram on an Intel 845 mobo and chipset. It sounds
like you bought something some ding dong advised you to buy.
REMEMBER!!! Intel chipsets only for P4's. Asus or Intel mobos advised. And
it will all work brilliantly.
What the fuck is DDURAM?
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Ted Perlman
Ted Perlman
of Delta 1010 cards>
AMD + Delta 1010's = bad combination.
Actually, AMD + anything is a bad combination.
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running flawlessly>
Now you do.
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Ted Perlman
Andre Lefebvre
DDUMRAM = dumb ram, or RAM for dummies... I never figured out why I paid so
much for RAM... when it never made the computer faster anyways... I thin
it's RDRAM?
$800 CND...
I followed your advice, Ted, and bought all Intel... <G>
Andre
"Ted Perlman" <ted...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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Nick Busigin
> <several companies that makes chipsets that work well with Delta
> interfaces. NVidia and SIS are two more>
>
> N'Videa - YES.
>
> However, a great big "NO" as far as SiS is concerned. And that comes
> from my own personal experience of the past year.
Hi Ted,
Thanks! I now realize that I misread Scott's post. I thought he
said that NVidia chipsets did *not* work well with Delta interfaces
when in fact he was saying they do.
kitekrazy
I have the SiS chipsets on an AMD board with an Audiophile 2496 and
experience no problems.
"Nick Busigin" <nick...@xwing.org> wrote in message
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Scott Reams
> DDUMRAM on a P4 1.8 ... which ended up being much slower than a T-Bird>
>
> ?????????? I have a P4 1.8, and it's fst as shit,
...and how did you come to the conclusion that it was "fast"? Compared to
what?
-S
Scott Reams
> N'Videa - YES.
Uh... you are contradicting yourself, Ted. NVidia makes chipsets for AMD
CPUs... but not for Intel CPUs. So a "yes" to NVidia is a "yes" to AMD.
-S
Scott Reams
between chipsets... there is nothing here about difficulty of setup.
-S
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Andre Lefebvre
here... <VBG>
Andre
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kitekrazy
processors (most with VIA chipsets) and never had the problems some people
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Scott Reams
Ted Perlman
When I can open 25 softsynths, a bunch of fx, and plugins without the
machine barfing, then that's a fast machine.
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Ted Perlman
You didn't pay attention very well, oh northern dude. I listed my
components, and there was never anything about RDram, only DDRam. And
although it's okay, I have always recommended at least a 2.2. P4, not the
1.8. I also specified the Intel 845 chipset. Perhaps if you'd stop wavering
and actually make a decision you wouldn't have these problems.
I also recommended the best computer DAW builder I know - Jim Roseberry - to
build your machines. If you had followed my advice to the letter, you'd be
happy as my clients and friends who listened to me are. Like Phil Cody. And
Dave Mason, (I am co-producing his new CD) who is going to have Jim build
him the same machine as I have been using for his music. And others....film
composers, producers, songwriters, artists, etc.
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Ted Perlman
Ted Perlman
Pity.>
Yes, that's what's stopping you from making it big in the music business. Or
from composing that great song. Or from producing that great record. Sixty
four bits is all you need to get over that hump.
TP
Scott Reams
> machine barfing, then that's a fast machine.
That response is far too general to mean anything to me... if 90% of current
systems can do 20% more... then that 1.8GHz P4 simply isn't fast. If we
really want to use the term "fast" so loosely... I could say a Commodore64
is fast.
-S
Scott Reams
> components, and there was never anything about RDram, only DDRam. And
> although it's okay, I have always recommended at least a 2.2. P4, not the
> 1.8.
But didn't you say the 1.8GHz p4 was "fast"? So are you saying now that it's
"not fast enough"?
:)
-S
Scott Reams
better than the alternatives. We must remember that the Northbridge is now
on the CPU, and not made by Via/NVidia/SIS. Performance differences between
chipsets only tend to show up on the Athlon64 platform when the Southbridge
is really being stressed. And even then, those differences are small.
-S
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> "Kevin Perry" <perry...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:br009m$27798u$1...@ID-214234.news.uni-berlin.de:
>
> > I will - I think I read it one lunchtime last week at work, so I'll
> > check my history tomorrow.
> >
>
> Over at Tom's Hardware, the latest shootout put the VIA based 800 series
> MSI K8 10% ahead of the competition, which was all the latest K8 chipset
> offerings.
>
> They would have tested it against intel if intel had anything with 64
> bits that worked at all. Itanium can't run 32 bit apps. Some say it can't
> run 64 bit apps either. Pity. <g>
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Scott Reams
producer/engineer you are. And AMD doesn't hinder you from being that
either.
-S
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Ted Perlman
I said i was "fast" but I wouldn't recommend it as a first choice. Andre
doesn't read the entire post, and thus ends up getting the wrong stuff.
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Ted Perlman
You would say anything except that the reason most folks run Intel is
because they are more reliable and simply...better.
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Ted Perlman
Yes it would, because I wouldn't finish my work. I'd be here, whining and
bitching and asking for help unsticking my Athlon from the floor where it
would have fused itself.
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Ted Perlman
Andre Lefebvre
I got what I could afford, in line with the main thrust of your intervention
and council: get Intel. I'm not bitter at all, nor do I blame you (the
unthinkable!). I'm simply disapointed in the performance I got when I could
have gotten much better.
I had no money at the time, and a friend was doing me a favor to let me pay
after the contract I was doing at the time, was done. However, the client
pulled the plug after I invested the money that never came. I'm not sure I
would have wanted to put Jim through that...
As far as the RAM, I was told by the PC guy that it was a new type that took
advantage of new technological developments in the P4.
I'm running Win2000 now, and beside having installed a scanner that now
keeps my computer from shutting down, (I think that's it), I'm quite happy
with the performance. I'm looking forward to a new level of P4, though...
Regards, Your Southern Dudeness, <G>
Andre
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Andre Lefebvre
Reverbs, on at least 3 tracks. plus destructive effects on other tracks. It
takes at least 12 seconds to open the project... it freezes the computer
for that.
Is that usual?
Andre
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Andre Lefebvre
I can see it... :O)
Andre
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DG
you want to make music, they tell you to buy a "SoundScraper" Audigy ,this
is the best soundcard(sic). When you tell them you want at least 2 hard
drives, they say : "You don't need that, put a bigger one and partition it";
and if you ask them a question they don't know the answer, they will answer
you anything just to make you feel they are knowledgeable people!
Building a computer is easy, building the right computer could be another
story.
So, as far as music recording is concerned, I would be more tempted to
believe the guys who makes music than the guys who makes computers.
Dominique
"kitekrazy" <pyo...@mfire.com> a écrit dans le message de
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> The guy who gets paid for making computers.
>
> "Ted Perlman" <ted...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> > <I will let you and Scott Reams continue this debate>
> >
> > Scott builds asshlon systems.
> >
> > However, I actually use Windows PC's to make records. And (oh my gosh!!)
I
> > get paid for my work!
> >
> > That's a big difference. Who are you going to listen to?
> >
> >
> > TP
> >
> >
>
>
C Hudson
So, advice to avoid one could easily be countered by another who has it
working right. It is way more about the person than the machine.
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believe the guys who makes music>
That's how I feel.
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Scott Reams
> because they are more reliable and simply...better.
Despite the fact that you are changing the subject and avoiding my
comments... no, they are not. Both companies' CPUs are quite capable.
Intel's are better in certain scenarios... and AMD's are better in other
scenarios.
-S
Scott Reams
AMD brand name on the CPU... and lit the system up into a raging bonfire
before ever turning it on. You live by the pre-conceived notion.
-S
"Ted Perlman" <ted...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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kitekrazy
I would consider it the user's responsibility to add their choice of
soundcards. If you are using the tools like Sonar, you should have some
basic knowledge of hardware. Most of us have built our own systems. So when
something doesn't work out there is no support line to deal with. I can also
take the recently purchased hardware back to the store and exchange it.
As for soundcards and software I usually ask those who make music. For
other things like boards and CPU I can trust computer builders.
"> >So, as far as music recording is concerned, I would be more tempted to
> >believe the guys who makes music than the guys who makes computers.
>
> You would have a point if we were talking about guys who build generic
> computers, but people who specialize in DAWs are much more likely to
> know what's what, especially the ones being mentioned here.
>
> -OF
Steve L.
@corp.supernews.com:
> As for soundcards and software I usually ask those who make music. For
> other things like boards and CPU I can trust computer builders.
>
Wow! I just highlighted the text and copied and then when I went to reply
to the post the text that I highlighted was already there! Still learning
xnews. any how.....
You need a guy that knows both because certian sound cards won't work well
with certian chipsets and you need someone "in the know" to steer you in
the right direction.
Andre Lefebvre
having to ever enter any challenge response...
I was weirded out by that, but quickly recovered... <g>
Andre
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> The entity known as Andre Lefebvre, posted:
>
> > I've just finished a new tune yesterday, and for the first time used
> > Waves Reverbs, on at least 3 tracks. plus destructive effects on other
> > tracks. It takes at least 12 seconds to open the project... it
> > freezes the computer for that.
> >
> > Is that usual?
>
> With PACE infected Waves? Did the computer also reboot itself?
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scenarios>
Scenario where Intel is better: Any working situation making or recording
or mixing music.
Scenarios where AMD is better:
1. In prison
2.For executions
3.For frying eggs
4.Sometime you just have to crash!!
5.Word on the street is that AMD will get you laid
6. AMD is lighter to pick up.
...and so on and so on....
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Ted Perlman
Fuckin' fantasy land around here sometimes. Nothing at all to do with the
outside "real world".
TP
Andre Lefebvre
Andre
"Ted Perlman" <ted...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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Delameko Stone
> <AMD-64 3200+ CPU and a Gigabyte Mobo. I want to stick a couple
> of Delta 1010 cards>
>
> AMD + Delta 1010's = bad combination.
>
Ted Perlman + intelligent conversation = bad combination
Ted Perlman
I wish I had said that.
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Ted Perlman
I'm getting shit talked to me by someone named "Dela-fuckin-meko". What
other goodies will today bring?
TP
kitekrazy
guy bought a new system, Yamaha SW1000XG, Gigastudio 160 and a lot of
expensive samples.
His mistake was not knowing Yamaha does not make a GSIF driver for Windows
XP.
You also have to weigh what others say because you will get biased opinions
and card manufacturers like Echo will be upfront on what works.
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Bob
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kitekrazy
> Which begs the question: Is anybody clambering for the almighty G5? <g>
Probably only MAC users. PC Magazine did some benchmarks on certain apps
(office,ect) and an Athlon 64 outperformed a twin 2ghz G5. The G5 performs
best in areas like photo editing. I can't imagine a PC user wanting to swap
platforms when there is very little software out there without having to do
mail order.
But MAC users will consider the G5 the best system on the planet and all
the PC users are using ancient technology.
Scott Reams
The "almighty" dual 2GHz G5 is getting bested in ProToolsLE benchmarks by
single AthlonXP 2500+ systems... so I doubt it.
:)
-S
Scott Reams
Ted. Athlon64/FX vs P4/P4EE.
-S
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Ted Perlman
Intel: 63
Athlon: 4
That was the final score. It was a rout. The coach was fired immediately
after the game.
Any other questions?
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Ted Perlman