Re: {Bullseye L List} Digest for bullseye-l-list@googlegroups.com - 7 updates in 4 topics

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Keith Stern

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May 18, 2017, 12:31:09 PM5/18/17
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I had very good accuracy using 6.0 Power Pistol, 115 Gr. Hornady FMJ bullet in my Beretta with KKM Barrel.  They are a bit snappy though!

I currently use 5.0 N340, Sierra 8115 Bullet in the same gun for Service Pistol.  Not as snappy as the aforementioned Power Pistol locd

Keith

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 9:11 AM, <bullseye-l-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Joel Mitchell <mitchel...@gmail.com>: May 17 07:38PM -0700

The May monthly match will be held at the Magic City Gun Club on May 20.
The match starts at 9:00 am.The range is located at 7069 Narrows Road,
Pinson, AL. Coordinates are 33.7107 N and 86.7122 W. Please contact Joel
Mitchell at 205-807-5187 for further information. Program attached.
Bruce Martindale <kingsa...@yahoo.com>: May 17 08:29PM -0400

Whats wrong with what you have?
 
The model 16 is rare and expensive...unless it's bulged or worse why mess with it
 
The key to 32s is proper reloading
 
Regards
 
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"John D (gmail)" <1practi...@gmail.com>: May 17 08:08PM -0500

Bruce
It's bulged. And it's a pre model 16. I have about settled on a 1:10 twist rate and nominal 1.8 grains of BE.
-John
 
"Pauley, Ralph" <dan.p...@siemens.com>: May 17 07:20PM

So with the outdoor matches starting up and those honorable folks looking for points this season. Time to share our magic formula for reloads.
 
My formula was worked up AFTER I made my badge with factory ammo. Remington 158 SWC if you are curious. Although Fed American Eagle 158 LRN worked just as well.
 
DR load for Dan:
Cases sorted by headstamp, Deprime then cleaned with liquid and pins method. Air dry on an old beach towel (fully dry)
Load with Federal primers preferred but caution while handling/loading they are delicate. Winchester an option but require more of a firing pin strike.
(the secret) Zero swaged 158 SWC. (double secret) Tumble lube with Lee Liquid Alox, dump onto an old cookie sheet and let them dry for 2~3 days. Give cookie sheet a shake after an hour or so to re-distribute the LLA. Should be tacky but not sticky.
 
Powder? I use 3.2gr of HTG (Hodgdon Tite-Group) but other powders would work equally well. The secret is the bullet.
 
Expand just enough to start the bullet. Seat separate just to the edge of the crimp groove. Seat from shoulder preferred, If seat from nose, watch for variations in seat depth as the die gets crud build up. Remove and clean seating die every primer tube/100 rounds.
 
Crimp separate from seating, I use a pretty strong Roll crimp using Lee Factory Crimp Die
 
Shoots accurate, consistent with mild recoil. Does not foul up the rifling as would swaged bullets without LLA tumble.
 
DO NOT, substitute cast bullets in this recipe. Cast bullets can be accurate but require a significant increase in powder/power.
 
I suspect you might be able to substitute another brand of soft swaged bullets, such as the Speer or Remington or Hornady with the powder lube, however my experience is leading in the barrel with these. Never tried the LLA over the top of powder lube.
 
You have time, get the components and verify it works in your gun. Work on your long line game. All the points are in slow fire. In my humble opinion Double action is the easy way to shoot rapid. Keep the trigger moving and do the best you can to squeeze the sight alignment into perfection. It will move as you squeeze. Find a grip angle/technique that allows the front sight to get all the wiggles out then back to the center just as the hammer falls. Make some dry fire cases from cracked or damaged brass. De-prime then fill the hole with hot glue. Cool then trim with razor blade. Cut them short and or paint weird color. Blank wall dry fire Double action mode and call the front sights position as the hammer falls. Call the path it takes during the squeeze. Being aware of the movement and how your squeeze pushes it around.
 
Someone else have a known great load DR load.
 
R Dan Pauley - Badge number 59
 
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Bruce Martindale <kingsa...@yahoo.com>: May 17 03:30PM -0400

Winchester factory RN police loads were best for me, I only had two boxes. The SWC works well I am told. The Rem did not.
 
Reloads you are right on cast bullets and more powder; 4.2 to 4.9 Unique with 158 gr cast was very good, even at long line
 
Good luck, DR #27.
 
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"Pauley, Ralph" <dan.p...@siemens.com>: May 17 03:11PM

So looking at the load data for 9mm using Alliant Power Pistol. First I'm not trying to shoot X's at 50yd, just plinking and or action pistol stuff all inside 25yd.
 
Load suggestion from Alliant for a 115 JHP is 6.7gr of Power Pistol. Lee manual list min load at 6.2 and max at 6.7gr.
Well I loaded up some 6.5~6.6gr and took it to the range.
Youza, is that hot. Accurate but quite zippy and recoil definitely strong and snappy. Primers showed evidence of quite a bit of flattening and flow back. I didn't measure muzzle velocity but it was supersonic.
 
Gulp, Ah, well what happens if I down load it.
I made about 20 each of 6.1, 5.7, 5.4, and 5.1
I didn't expect the 5.1 or the 5.4 to even cycle a Glock G19 & G34
Well surprise, the 6.1 was still very snappy but accurate.
Then went straight to the 5.1 load to verify it wouldn't cycle.
Surprise, it cycled both the G34 and the G19. Actually quite well and kicked the empties about 3ft right and behind me like a well-tuned wad gun.
More bad news, The group was great. 17 of 21 shots in the black, 9/10 ring of 25yd target. Off hand (2-Hand hold) at 25yd. Using iron sights in the wind. With a fat old guy wobbl'n round shoot'n 'em. (me) Hmmmmm sez I. Don't make no sense.
 
So I went ahead and shot the other loads, 5.4 and 5.7 their groups were not as good as the 6.1 or the 5.1gr.
I'm speculating here. I think the light load may be departing the barrel subsonic. The 5.4 & 5.7 are arriving at the target sub sonic but leave the muzzle above the speed of sound. (possibly only the G34, G19 may not have been super) Then the hot loads stayed supersonic the entire distance.
 
I must say the lighter loads accuracy surprised me and the fact they cycled the pistols. I didn't try it in any other pistol besides the G34 and the G19. I should test all before making a large batch. Want to make sure it cycles the carbine as well. Those hot loads 6.6 make the carbine sting.
 
So chew on that, should I make up a bunch of the lighter powder puff loads or the HOT stuff? Does GSSF require a minimum power factor?
 
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Steve Turner <sdtu...@gmail.com>: May 17 10:29AM -0500

A long time ago after posting some test results. Someone said that JHP
bullets (this was for 45ACP) have 2 speeds where they are accurate. Above,
below and in between they are less accurate. Perhaps it's true for 9mm
also. I've seen some evidence this is true, but never tested enough to
confirm.
 
Steve Turner
 
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