Les Baer Wadcutter trigger lightening

[sorl...@sorlando.com]

Hello All!

 

First of all, what is the minimum trigger pull weight allowed for CF competitions. I shoot 300 matches, sometimes 900, 1800 and 2700 matches.

 

Then, I have a Les Baer that trigger pulls at about 3.5 to 4 lbs. Is there anyone out there that can lighten that pull to the legal limit?

 

Steve

[Carl Taylor]

3.5 lbs for bullseye. For leg matches 4lbs.

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[Larry Lang]

Steve,
If your Les Baer is chambered in .45acp you must have a 3.5# trigger weight, whether you shoot it in CF or the .45 match.

A 1911 pistol in .38SPL, 9mm or 40 SW may have a 2.5# or greater trigger weight.

Yes the trigger weight can be safely adjusted to the correct weight by a bullseye pistolsmith.

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Based on a post earlier one, can 40 SW be legally used in the Centre Portion of the 2700?

I've never considered 40 as an option. Is it accurate at 50 yards?

Thanks,

Brian

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Subject: Re: {Bullseye L List} Les Baer Wadcutter trigger lightening

[Larry Lang]

I was talking to George Sinclair a few years ago. He had been trying to work up an accurate load for the .40 SW. IIRC, he wasn't able to find an advantage, as the velocity needed to be very fast to achieve accuracy. The recoil and report was worse than the .45...which I saw him shooting later in CF.
Larry (WA)

On 10/5/2012 7:13 PM, freepist...@gmail.com wrote:

[Jeffrey Bromberger]

Larry Lang wrote:
> I was talking to George Sinclair a few years ago. He had been trying to
work up
> an accurate load for the .40 SW. IIRC, he wasn't able to find an
advantage, as
> the velocity needed to be very fast to achieve accuracy. The recoil and
report
> was worse than the .45...which I saw him shooting later in CF.

I have dreamed of using 40 in Bullseye for a long time. Never really found
a way to make it work.

Not to say that it hasn't been done. One year, at the Lobster Match, one
military shooter (I want to say Rob Mango, but it's so long ago my name
recognition circuits are malfunctioning) was using a SVI Infinity that had
been tricked out for 40S&W in the Centerfire portion. Man, that was loud.
Never saw that one again...

Now, it doesn't mean that you can't do it. It just isn't pleasant. I shot
a 10mm N-Frame revolver at Camp Perry and finally won myself a T-shirt. NSK
helped talk me through the process of building an accurate (and not found in
any cookbook) load. My Pennsylvania friend on the line told me that the
load was hotter than the one he uses for deer hunting with that gun. Each
round fired seem to make the hair of my bench neighbor blow back (!). And
our line officer (another List member) commented about the sheer movement of
the gun. Had to get my scope mount re-cut at the end because the recoil
kept throwing the Ultradot out of the rings. I am glad that the Reeves
Match was only 30 rounds.

Getting a 40 cal projectile to fly straight for 50 yards is serious voodoo.
But I'm up for it, and I'm going to be using my Delta Elite next season as
well :-)

J

PS: If I had to start with a "oddball" caliber, I'd do 357Sig. 9mm
projectile, powered with a 40S&W charge. Those suckers get to the target
long before you pull the trigger! Reloading is slow - bottle neck cases -
but I'd say if I was looking for a solution to a non-existing problem,
that's the way I'd go.
---
Jeffrey L. Bromberger
jef...@tram.com

[David Daniels]

I am also disappointed that the .40 S&W has not proven to be useful as
a BE gun since it is the same bullet used in the .38 WCF aka .38-40,
in both revolvers and lever guns. Both of these shoot very accurately
in a SF situation, but two handed, and was highly thought of as a deer
cartridge in the M92 Winchesters. When the .40 was announced I had
thought that the "new" powders would work very well in the much
smaller case and it would be a winner for many applications.

Then, I personally encountered a Ka-boom when I had not ever heard of
the case bulge situation. Fortunately, the EAA Witness survived but
required a trip back to EAA to make it well.
I am leery of the .40 now.

I am sure that you used a fully supported barrel in your STI.

dd

[Bruce Martindale]

I would wager it has the same issues the 9 mil has...too fast a twist that distorts the jacket material   So if you measure the twist, it might be as fast as 1 in 10 when it should be much slower --- On Mon, 10/8/12, Jeffrey Bromberger <jef...@tram.com> wrote:

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[tom stewart]

I am a big fan of the 10mm cartridge but do not use it for bullseye- kicks very hard and yes- very loud. Great for handgun hunting. Concerning accuracy, my Sierra manual, 4th Ed. states " The 10mm is an imherently accurate cartridge, routinely giving 10 shot groups under one inch here in the Sierra test range." They do not state the distance used for the test.

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[Kent]

As for your first question: yes, it can be used in CF. Per rule 3.2 of the NRA Pistol Rulebook (available in PDF at www.nrahq.org/compete/RuleBooks/Pistol/pistol-book.pdf)

3.2 Any Center Fire Pistol or Revolver - Center-fire pistols (single shot or semi-automatic)) or revolvers of .32 caliber or larger (including 7.65 mm and .45 caliber pistols and revolvers); barrel length, including cylinder, not more than 10 inches; trigger pull not less than 2 1/2 pounds, except.45 caliber semi-automatic pistols not less than 3 1/2 pounds. Any Sights, including telescopic, are permitted with the exception of those sights that project an image on the target. Open sights may be adjustable but not over 10 inches apart measured from the apex of the rear sight to the apex of the front sight. Any sighting device programmed to activate the firing mechanism is prohibited. All standard safety features of the gun must operate properly. Programs may specify particular calibers of types of center-fire guns that will be permitted or not permitted in stated event.

Is .40S&W accurate at 50 yards? I don't personally know. I've shot a S&W 610-3 revolver, chambered in 10mm Auto (from which the shorter .40S&W cartridge was derived), with light 10mm loads (180gr cast lead truncated cone bullets over 4.35gr W231) and won the Mid-Atlantic Revolver Regional Championship 1800 Match at Anne Arundel Fish & Game in 2011 with the gun and those loads (but I rather think it was my .22 score (870 or 880) that carried my CF score (830 or 840) than any spectacular performance with my CF gun). I've experimented with lighter 10mm loads (155gr LSWC over 4.35gr W231) and I felt they were "accurate enough" at 25 yards (I haven't tried them at 50 yards).

I imagine that in a revolver one can get away with using such light loads and still get consistent groupings. With a semi-auto it would seem to me to be a lot more difficult to maintain consistency while also maintaining reliable function.

-Kent