FTP of 100-byte record file to VSE
Frank M. Ramaekers
I’m struggling with a software vendor that wants to upload (Server to z/VSE) a 100-byte record (that has no termination character(s), like CRLF). I’m having problems with CSI on finding a way to transfer this file into a SAM (VSAM-managed SAM file). (We’ve never done FTP to an EPIC disk file and I’ve successfully transferred the PTF.FILE to a SAM-ESDS.)
So, I’m reaching out for ideas.
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Stuart, David
Frank,
No terminate characters, at all? That sounds like a problem on the sending end.
I believe you can set a ‘linux’ mode that will accept LF only. Could that be the case? They’re sending LF only, and not CRLF?
Dave
Dave Stuart
Principal Information Systems Support Analyst
Information Technology Services
County of Ventura, CA
Frank M. Ramaekers
No, this is my understanding that the file they create has no record terminating character(s).
Frank M. Ramaekers Jr.
Stuart, David
Maybe try uploading in Binary mode?
Dave
Kevin Corkery
Are the records fixed length? You can then force fixed length on the transfer. Also, it’s much easier to make a VSAM ESDS the target of the transfer since VSAM is inherently variable length records and easily accommodates records of varying sizes. I also recall there being something about 4/8 byte overhead on sequential files when unblocked/blocked, but I always use VSAM ESDS so I really don’t have an illustrative example.
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Frank M. Ramaekers
Need the ASCII to EBCDIC translation.
Frank M. Ramaekers
Records are not of varying lengths. 100 bytes fixed length.
Programs work on SAM files, they don’t want to change a large number of programs from SAM to ESDS.
Frank M. Ramaekers Jr.
Martin Truebner
I had that very same problem
I did resort to LIBR-member (everything in one giant member)
and then a rexx to chop it into suitable pieces.
Way faster than finding the right combinations of keywords that
translate to EBCDIC but do not insist in record-delimiter (of any kind)
- plus the extra of dealing with the tricks that are applied during
open of a (FB-U-VSAM-ESAM) file.
Martin
Kevin Corkery
Send it to a VSAM file, then REPRO it to the working sequential file.
Kevin Corkery
Seriously, send it to a VSAM file and at least look at what you’re really getting. I’ve seen files where “all records are the same” except the first or last record is different. Another good tool for the PC is TextPad which can expose hex information where you can see how records are really terminated; they frequently are but the creator is unaware of it.
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Records are coming from a Windows server, so I’ve tried the following:
QUOTE SITE LRECL 100
QUOTE SITE RECFM F (and FB)
QUOTE SITE CRLF OFF
But I still get something very odd like:
FTP928E Record 1 larger then max(92) for xxxxxxx UNIX=NO
Not sure why FTP server thinks that the maximum is 92 on a 100 fixed length file.
Frank M. Ramaekers Jr.
Frank M. Ramaekers
the file just fine), then break it up into 100-byte records following
each with a CRLF, then kick off a FTP to the mainframe.
Did you kick off the REXX program from the FTP session?
Frank M. Ramaekers Jr.
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Martin Truebner
JCL that does the upload and then the REXX to chop it.
Max Singley
If you are using FTPBATCH, try adding SET EXTRADAT ACCEPT to the FTPBATCH.L and see if that lets it transfer. If you’re using the internal FTP client, define the FTPD with EXTRADATA=ACCEPT specified.
Hope it helps,
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Frank M. Ramaekers
Again, the client is on a Windows Server machine.
Frank M. Ramaekers Jr.
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Max Singley
In that case, you will have to add EXTRADATA=ACCEPT to your mainframe FTPD.
have fun,
Max
Leap and the net will appear!
Andy Engels
We do transfers to SD files all the time. But I’m having this very same problem. The records look variable but I think FTP is seeing them as one big chunk because of the CRLF missing…
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Subject: FTP of 100-byte record file to VSE
I’m struggling with a software vendor that wants to upload (Server to z/VSE) a 100-byte record (that has no termination character(s), like CRLF). I’m having problems with CSI on finding a way to transfer this file into a SAM (VSAM-managed SAM file). (We’ve never done FTP to an EPIC disk file and I’ve successfully transferred the PTF.FILE to a SAM-ESDS.)
Frank M. Ramaekers
To eliminate some items, I’m now trying to send a 100-byte/record file and each record is followed by a LF (Unix record delimiter). I’m attempting to upload to a SAM file (complete with DLBL/EXTENT/ASSGN).
I’m still getting the FTP928E Record 1 larger then max(92) for xxxxxxx UNIX=NO message, although I have SITE RECFM F/FB and SITE LRECL 100/108. (Thought I’d throw in the 108 since the difference between 92 and 100 is 8 characters).
No matter what I do, it (FTP Daemon) thinks that 92 is the maximum, for some reason. Since it is now strictly SAM, I can’t imagine where it is getting this information from.
So, I tried w/o any SITE commands and get the same message.
Frank M. Ramaekers Jr.
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Frank M. Ramaekers
Yeah, tried that. DEFINEd a separate FTPD o a different port and added the EXTRADATA=ACCEPT. No luck. L
Frank M. Ramaekers
Just as a side note, tried the same transfer to z/VM and it transferred okay….well, that’s until you examine the file contents, only the first 100 bytes transferred. Ugh!
Frank M. Ramaekers Jr.
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Roger Bolan
How about treating it as a binary file and using a SITE command to specify attributes like recfm or lrecl? I haven't used FTP directly to VSE, but I've done that sort of thing to MVS.
Edward M. Martin
Did you say the NOCRLF did not work?
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I was working on having them sent it to a Linux machine (which handles the file just fine), then break it up into 100-byte records following each with a CRLF, then kick off a FTP to the mainframe.
Did you kick off the REXX program from the FTP session?
Frank M. Ramaekers Jr.
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Frank,
I had that very same problem
I did resort to LIBR-member (everything in one giant member) and then a rexx to chop it into suitable pieces.
Way faster than finding the right combinations of keywords that translate to EBCDIC but do not insist in record-delimiter (of any kind)
- plus the extra of dealing with the tricks that are applied during open of a (FB-U-VSAM-ESAM) file.
Martin
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Hello Frank,
correct?
What is the client software? I like BlueZone FTP.
Then I use the LOCSITE LRECL=100,RECFM=FB,BLOCKSIZE=20000 command.
I did have to use WINSCP FTP occasionally.
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