Obsession with the past, was VI: Vietnam of 1993
HH Nguyen
Stephen O'Harrow <s...@UHUNIX.UHCC.HAWAII.EDU> wrote:
>See S. O'H. comment at the end of this posting
>S. O'H. comment:
>
>"Who have said anything about bringing back the old Saigon government,
> except for Prof O'Harrow?" Who "have" said? I'll tell you "who have said"
> -- that bunch of old left-overs from the defeated ARVN and SVN navy
> hanging around the Little Saigons of San Jose, Melbourne, and the Rive
> Gauche under titles such as Khang Chien and other such upstanding Contra
> organizations who are always parading around in their nifty brown shirts.
> We have Hoang Co Minh, ex-Saigon admiral, reportedly incognito in Florida
> (Cf. BBC Vietnamese Service). How about Marshall Nguyen Cao Ky? These are
> indeed the very people who ran the show in the old days, after all. And
> they'd like to get their hands on the goods again. Who in blazes does
> H.H.Nguyen think is behind these organizations, Santa Claus?
HHN's comment:
Within the context of Vietnam Insight's post and derived comments, so
far nobody have said anything about bringing back Nguyen Cao Ky or the Saigon
Government, except for Prof O'Harrow. That indicates who is obsessed with
the past, who isn't. From there, we may tell who is for real changes in and
for the present and future vs. who isn't.
However, from Prof O'Harrow's post I guess some people, organizations
must have done quite a good job in exposing the facts of the SRVN, and calling
for real changes in the SRVN. So well and effectively that they have upset
Prof O'Harrow. Mind you, the SRVN authorities themselves have also
been complaining bitterly about "peaceful evolution". Keep on working, people.
Additionally, it is interesting to note that Admiral Hoang Co Minh
has been independently confirmed alive and still working. This must
be upsetting other bodies, I would imagine, especially those who officially
announced otherwise in the first place.
H.H. Nguyen
ngu...@turing.scs.carleton.ca
>
>On Tue, 25 Jan 1994, HH Nguyen wrote:
>
>> In article <Pine.3.87.9401231...@uhunix3.uhcc.hawaii.edu>,
>> Stephen O'Harrow <s...@UHUNIX.UHCC.HAWAII.EDU> wrote:
>> >I take it that this article has been posted to whow what a rotten place
>> >Viet Nam is under the current governemnt. What it shows me is:
>> > 1) at least the current governemnt is more and more open about
>> > its problems;
>>
>>
>> or the problems are so rampant, acute that hiding them like hiding
>> the national defense budget or ignoring them have become impossible.
>>
>>
>> > 2) the problems cited are precisely the main ones encountered
>> > under the old Saigon regime in the South, so bringing that old gang
>> > back won't help matters much.
>> >Once again: plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose, but perhaps this is
>> >not the message that "Vietnam (dubious) Insight" wished to convey.
>> >
>>
>> Who have said anything about bringing back the old Saigon government,
>> except for Prof O'Harrow? It illustrates how obsession with the past
>> can hinder, blind your judgment, viewpoint about the present and the future.
>>
>> H.H. Nguyen
>> ngu...@turing.scs.carleton.ca
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Thu, 20
>> >Jan 1994, Vietnam Insight wrote:
>> >
>> >> ******************
>> >> Vietnam of 1993
>> >> ******************
>> >>
>> >> A bankrupt, impoverished society ridden with ORGANIZED CRIME, SOCIAL
>> >> VICE AND PUBLIC DISORDER.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Following is an admission by Hanoi Minister of Interior Bui Thien Ngo
>> >> from the Tap Chi Cong San (Communist Magazine) October 1993:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Crimes, social vices and violations of the law have continued to develop
>> >> in a serious and complicated manner. The crime rate in our country has
>> >> fluctuated on a yearly basis. However, generally speaking, that crime
>> >> rate tends to increase in terms of severity, extent and organization. In
>> >> 1992 there were 122 criminals out of 100,000 people. On the average, a
>> >> total of 178 criminal cases were reported daily.
>> >>
>> >> Regarding schemes and manoeuvres, criminal activities are performed in a
>> >> sophisticated, bold and brazen manner with gangsters using deadly weapons
>> >> to kill their victims before stripping them of their valuables or with
>> >> robbers performing their criminal activities in broad daylight along the
>> >> various communication networks and fiercely resisting law-enforcement
>> >> officers in hot pursuit. Corrupt practices have been closely linked with
>> >> smuggling activities in the form of organized crime and have caused serious
>> >> damage to socioeconomic development. Recently, some private foreign
>> >> organizations or companies and overseas Vietnamese residents have taken
>> >> advantage of our open-door policy to conduct fraudulent or illegal business
>> >> activities.
>> >>
>> >> More than 70% of the criminals are in the 18-30 age group. The number of
>> >> juvenile delinquencies accounts for 8-10% of the overall annual crime
>> >> rate. In recent years, due to the spread of corruption and smuggling,
>> >> the number of cadres and state employees who perform criminal activities
>> >> has increased.
>> >>
>> >> In addition to criminal activities, social vices are also developing in a
>> >> very complicated and serious manner, especially when it comes to
>> >> prostitution, drug addiction and gambling. Social vices (drug addiction and
>> >> prostitution) occur mainly in cities, towns and mountain areas and involve
>> >> more and more sophisticated operating procedures and a very intricate form
>> >> of organization. In the past, prostitutes used to practise their trade in
>> >> public places. Now they sell their flesh in many hotels, nightclubs,
>> >> guesthouses, inns, restaurants, coffee shops, "massage" or steambath
>> >> parlors and so forth by means of a network of brothel owners, guides and
>> >> bodyguards to provide protection to prostitutes plus a profit-sharing
>> >> system. The recent discovery of a number of prostitution networks in Ho Chi
>> >> Minh City indicates that this social vice has taken the form of an
>> >> organized crime in many provinces.
>> >>
>> >> As for drug addiction, it used to be in the form of smoking. Now, it takes
>> >> various forms ranging from smoking and injection to oral intake. A
>> >> well-defined agreement in the form of organized crime has also been reached
>> >> among illegal drug den owners, bodyguards and drug addicts. Drug addiction
>> >> is one of the sources for the spread of HIV and AIDS.
>> >>
>> >> There had also occurred recently an upsurge of social disputes, court
>> >> litigation, social disorder, assault of public service officers,
>> >> encroachments on public roads and pavements, illegal construction,
>> >> breach of traffic laws and so on.
>> >>
>> >> The causes of the country's social disorder and degradation are the side
>> >> effects of the market-driven economy coupled with poor experience in
>> >> economic and social management, and the fact that our policies and legal
>> >> stipulations have been lagging behind the reality and carrying many
>> >> loopholes, thus creating favorable conditions for the development of
>> >> criminal, social ills and illegal activities. The serious worsening of
>> >> problems on a wide-scale national level, such as unemployment -
>> >> especially among youths - the disparity between rich and poor sections
>> >> of the society, the rampant phenomenon of poor education and illiteracy,
>> >> the degradation of moral values and cultural traditions and so forth.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ---------------
>> >> Vietnam Insight (vins...@netcom.com)
>> >> Chan Tran, editor
>> >>
>>
Do Nguyen
" ......
-- that bunch of old left-overs from the defeated ARVN and SVN navy
hanging around the Little Saigons of San Jose, Melbourne, and the Rive
Gauche under titles such as Khang Chien and other such upstanding Contra.
organizations who are always parading around in their nifty brown shirts.
We have Hoang Co Minh, ex-Saigon admiral, reportedly incognito in Florida
(Cf. BBC Vietnamese Service).
....."
Dear Prof. O'Harrow,
As far as I know, Mr. Hoang Co Minh is the leader of one of the Vietnamese
resistant organizations in Vietnam. I was only 11 years old when the
Vietnamese communist armed forces took over south Vietnam in 1975. Therefore
I don't know much about Mr. Hoang's activities before 1975.
Could you please let me know about his activities before 1975 ? If you do
not have time please just give me the document titles, authors, specific
pages (that mention about Mr. Hoang's activities). I can check the local
libraries over here.
I also don't quite understand the word "upstanding Contra organizations".
Do you have any political program of these organizations? If you don't
mind, please post here and explain why we can label them Contra organizations.
I believe you had read them very carefully so that you can name these groups
"Contra organizations". Please share with us.
Thanks,
D. Nguyen
HH Nguyen
Agreement or disagreement aside, I think I have developed
a way to remotely induce Prof O'Harrow's keyboard into the capitalization
mode, or raise his temper, or both :-) However, in order to ensure
a even more successful ratio, more experiments are required ....
H.H. Nguyen
ngu...@turing.scs.carleton.ca
In article <Pine.3.87.9401261...@uhunix3.uhcc.hawaii.edu>,
Stephen O'Harrow <s...@UHUNIX.UHCC.HAWAII.EDU> wrote:
>S.O'H. comment within text and below
>
>On Wed, 26 Jan 1994, HH Nguyen wrote:
>
>>
>> HHN's comment:
>> Within the context of Vietnam Insight's post and derived comments, so
>> far nobody have said anything about bringing back Nguyen Cao Ky or the Saigon
>> Government, except for Prof O'Harrow. That indicates who is obsessed with
>> the past, who isn't. From there, we may tell who is for real changes in and
>> for the present and future vs. who isn't.
>> However, from Prof O'Harrow's post I guess some people, organizations
>> must have done quite a good job in exposing the facts of the SRVN, and calling
>> for real changes in the SRVN. So well and effectively that they have upset
>> Prof O'Harrow.
>
>THE SRV IS IN DIRE NEED OF CHANGES AND REFORM -- THIS IS MY VIEW AND HAS
>BEEN MY VIEW ALL ALONG AS ANYONE HAS READ MY POSTINGS WILL KNOW. THESE
>REFORMS CAN ONLY BE CARRIED OUT EFFECTIVELY BY PEOPLE INSIDE VIET NAM.
>THE PEOPLE PROBABLY LEAST CAPABLE OF CARRYING OUT SUCH REFORMS ARE
>YESTERYEAR'S WORN OUT EXILE POLITICOS.
>
>> Mind you, the SRVN authorities themselves have also
>> been complaining bitterly about "peaceful evolution". Keep on working, people.
>
>PEACEFUL EVOLUTION IS OCCRRING RIGHT NOW AND WILL CONTINUE TO OCCUR,
>WHETHER OR NOT THE SRV GOVERNMENT AND PARTY ARE INAGREEMENT.
>
>> Additionally, it is interesting to note that Admiral Hoang Co Minh
>> has been independently confirmed alive and still working. This must
>> be upsetting other bodies, I would imagine, especially those who officially
>> announced otherwise in the first place.
>>
>I AM NO FAN OF HOANG CO MINH AND HIS ILK, BUT I AM PERFECTLY PREPARED TO
>BELIEVE THAT HIS IS STILL DRAWING BREATH. HH NGUYEN SAYS THIS "has been
>independently confirmed." APART FROM HINTS AT THIS FACT ON THE BBC A
>COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, WHAT INDEPENDENT CONFIRMATION CAN HH.N. PROVIDE US?
>IT WOULD BE VERY INTERESTING IF IT CAME FROM A DISINTERESTED (i.e.,
>non-Vietnamese) SOURCE.
>
>> H.H. Nguyen
>> ngu...@turing.scs.carleton.ca
>>
>>
>>
Stephen O'Harrow
> Agreement or disagreement aside, I think I have developed
> a way to remotely induce Prof O'Harrow's keyboard into the capitalization
> mode, or raise his temper, or both :-) However, in order to ensure
> a even more successful ratio, more experiments are required ....
>
> H.H. Nguyen
> ngu...@turing.scs.carleton.ca
I rather liked Frank Proschan's answer to Warren Climenhaga, to wit:
"This is a clever rhetorical trick--posing two counterfactual alternatives
and then insisting that if one is not correct the other one is. Mr.
Climenhaga: do not impute motives to me when you have no basis for doing so,
and do not mistake my choice NOT to respond to your questions as
indicating that I am "unable to defend [my]self." HH Nguyen finds
himself in the same position, attributing an either/or of two non-factual
states and then imputing them to myself. Temper and capitalization have
little in common -- I occasionally capitalize either to contrast my
comment with the rest of the text, or simply to amuse myself. Apart from
this, ad hominem argumentation really does not merit response.
As for general comments on Contras, Cao Ky, Hoang Co Minh, etc., I shall
have more to say latter (I am in the midst of writing up a couple of
other things right now and do not have much time to play with my
computer) -- suffice it to say that I distinguish Vietnamese-Americans
who may be anti-Communist (some with very good reason) and who wish to
demonstrate peacefully, write protest letters to the paper, or engage in
any other type of constitutionally protected free speech. I do not
generally believe they have much effect on the course of events, but it
is their perfect right to act in this manner and I would defent that
right. When I speak of the "Contras" I am referring to those groups who
collect or extort money from peaceable business-people in the
Vietnamese-American community, who engage in various forms of
intimidation to PREVENT (capitalization for emphasis in this case, HHN
nota bene) free speech, travel, and association by other Vietnamese-Americans
who do not necessarily agree with them; I speak of people who commit
violence or encourage violence, people frequently with military and/or
criminal backgrounds or connexions, often members of the Republic of VN
governmental organizations who wish to re-exert their power. This does
not include all ex-military or ex-RVN governmental types by any means,
among whom I have a number of friends and relatives. I shall continue to
use the term "Contras" in this meaning, a meaning I have carefully
defined on this net a number of times in the past, because it is an
accurate shorthand description of a minority element within the
Vietnamese-American community that I believe is on a very dangerous
path. To counter their activities, I only advocate acting within the
laws of my country which I believe they are violating.
HH Nguyen
Stephen O'Harrow <s...@UHUNIX.UHCC.HAWAII.EDU> wrote:
>On Fri, 28 Jan 1994, HH Nguyen wrote:
>
>> Agreement or disagreement aside, I think I have developed
>> a way to remotely induce Prof O'Harrow's keyboard into the capitalization
>> mode, or raise his temper, or both :-) However, in order to ensure
>> a even more successful ratio, more experiments are required ....
>>
>> H.H. Nguyen
>> ngu...@turing.scs.carleton.ca
>
O'Harrow wrote:
>I rather liked Frank Proschan's answer to Warren Climenhaga, to wit:
>"This is a clever rhetorical trick--posing two counterfactual alternatives
>and then insisting that if one is not correct the other one is. Mr.
>Climenhaga: do not impute motives to me when you have no basis for doing so,
>and do not mistake my choice NOT to respond to your questions as
>indicating that I am "unable to defend [my]self." HH Nguyen finds
>himself in the same position, attributing an either/or of two non-factual
>states and then imputing them to myself.
HHN's comment:
Within this thread of posts, remember who first suggested/raised the
bringing back of the Saigon Government, Nguyen Cao Ky as a solution
of today's SRV corruption problems? And then imputing this "alternative"
to others? Not me of course!
O'Harrow wrote:
> .... Temper and capitalization have
>little in common -- I occasionally capitalize either to contrast my
>comment with the rest of the text, or simply to amuse myself. Apart from
>this, ad hominem argumentation really does not merit response.
>
HHN's comment:
It is only now that I understand Prof O'Harrow's intentions of
using capitalization. Before that, I understood it is common to use
capitalization to indicate "shouting" in the email, computer world.
And I don't like being shouted at :-)) Speaking of "ad homimen",
remember who keeps using the term "contra" to talk about those who
have different solution approaches to Vietnam's problems? Who used
"Rambo Lobby", "anal-retentive", etc to describe others? Not me, of
course! I am not that good at that English!
H.H. Nguyen
ngu...@turing.scs.carleton.ca
Stephen O'Harrow
QUESTION -- SEE BELOW
You wanted someone to "share" so here you go, Boobie:
Persons:
Duong Van Tu - former ARVN Lt. Col. 'promoted' to Maj. Gen.by NUF in 1980,
deputy commander Resistance Armed Forces of National United Front for the
Liberation of Vietnam; member of National Resistance Council.
Nguyen Kim former RVN Air Force Major, member of National United Front
for the
Liberation of Vietnam.[is this our list kim nguyen? - see NUF entry below]
Truong Tan Loc, former ARVN officer, member of National United Front forthe
Liberation of Vietnam.
Nguyen Huy, former ARVN officer, member of National United Front for the
Liberation of Vietnam.
Mai Van Hanh, Tran Van Ba, and Huynh Vinh Sanh members of the National
Unified
Front for the Liberation of Vietnam. Captured and tried in Ho Chi Minh City,
December 1984. Sanh given life imprisonment.
Nguyen Manh Bao member of Association of the Alliance of a Neutral and Happy
Vietnam (circa 1978), one of 26 persons tried in late August 1987
oncharges of
attempting to overthrow Vietnamese government. Jailed for life (September 8,
1988).
Nguyen Van Loc and Phan Van Hien, tried in Ho Chi Minh City People's court
(November 1980). Loc tried for counter-revolutionary activities, disrupting
national unity and illegal storage of arms. Associated with Thu Duc
Redemptorist Seminary. Hien tried for assisting people to escape
illegally, and
illegally storing arms. Associated with Phuoc Son Seminary, Long Thanh My
village, Thu Duc.
Tran Dinh Thu, leader of a unnamed reactionary oganization, arrested
July2,1987,
October 27, 1987 tried in Ho Chi Minh City on charges of terrorism,
disrupting
security and 'conducting propaganda to oppose the socialist regime.'
Tran Quoc Khai, Nguyen Van Ngo, Pham Dinh Thuan and 16 accomplices tried and
sentenced for subversive activities against the state (December 23, 1988).
Tran Quang Do (aka Dao Ba Ke), commander of company of anti-communist
fighters,
numbering 68, of whom 29 were killed and 39 captured by Lao authorities
between
26th August-17th September 1989 trying to infiltrate into Vietnam. Group had
been trained in Trakan Phut Phon district and based at Van Kiet Centre.
Quan Doi
Nhan Dan (November 6, 1989) called this group 'Hoang Co Minh remnants'.
Supreme
People's Organ of Control, on September 22, 1990, announces the Tran
Quang Dao
[sic] and accomplices will be tried for betraying the homeland and
attempting to
overthrow the people's administration. Do and colleagues said to be
members of
National Unitd Front for the Liberation of Vietnam and Vietnam Revolutionary
Reformation Party. Do sentenced to life imprisonment on October 13, 1990.
Also
sentenced were Le Van Tien and Phan Van My, 20 and 16 years respectively.
Tran Van Luong, sentenced to death for counter-revolutionary activities
(September 22, 1988). Arrested with 21 companions.
Vo Dai Ton's associates: Nguyen Cao Ky, Tran Van Trung, Pham Truc Viet,
Nguyen
Ngoc Huy, Viet Dinh Phuong, Cao Minh Chau, Phan Quang Dan, Le Thi Anh,
Bui Tuyet
Hong, Nguyen Chi Trung.
Pham Van Lieu coordinator of operations. South Vietnam Liberation Front.
RESISTANCE & OPPOSITION GROUPS:
Note: There are variations in English titles in sources used.
Alliance for a Free Vietnam, representatives attends international
assembly in
Prague, November 16, 1991. Presents 'project for the democratization of
Vietnam.'
Alliance for Freedom and Democracy in Vietnam formed in Paris in July
1990 at
three-day meeting of 45 delegates from eleven countries (Australia, Belgium,
Britain, Canada, Denmark, France, Japan, Norway, Switzerland, Germany and
US);
delegates represent 24 Vietnamese anti-communist organizations comprising 300
associations. Spokesman: Nguyen Vo Ky, includes a group led by (late)
Hoang Co
Minh. To launch information campaign called 'Democracy 1990'.
Association of the Alliance of a Neutral and Happy Vietnam (circa 1978);
leader
Ho Huu Tuong; members: Nguyen Manh Bao, Vo Kim Hoe, Quach Dieu Dinh, Tran Dai
Hoe, Nguyen Van Lo, Huynh Van Xuan, Huynh Van Ly and Le Quoc Bao. Recruitment
directed at Hoa Hao and Cao Dai sects.
Captive Nations Association - Vo Dai toan worked with this group.
Coalition Front of the People and the Armed Forces for the Restoration of the
Fatherland, Zone 3 - leaders captured in Kien Giang in early 1984. Nguyen Thi
Phuong (aka Truong Thi Kim) chairman.
Coalition of Nationalist Vietnamese Organizations of Northern California;
general secretary Hung Lai.
Committee for the Protection of Human Rights for Vietnamese People,
Paris-based.
Headed by Vo Van Ai. Sent petition to International Committeefor Human
Rights in
April 1985. In lead in campaign lanuched in May 1992 to free imprisoned
Buddhist (UBC) leaders. Ai is founder of Que Me magazine.
Committee to Co-ordinate the Receiving of Political Prisoners (circa 1990).
Elderly Suicide Group for National Salvation; one of 16 Vietnamese-American
groups marking Human Rights Day (December 1993) in San Jose. Founding
member: Le
Huu Dan.
Ex-Civilian and Servicemen's Forces for the Support of the Restoration of
Vietnam - Vo Dai Ton chairman and commanding officer. Worked with Vang Pao,
Phoumi Nosavan and Prince Chao Sak na Champasak.
For a Free Vietnam Association; members: Phan Quang Dan, Do Thanh Ha,
Thich Minh
Thong, Nguyen Tan Hung, Thich Chon Thanh, Vu Dinh Trac, Vo Quang Vinh. Le
Quang
Sach, Le Ngoc Thanh, Le Duy Thuan, Tran Thi Nhien, Tran Van Trung,Thich Thien
Danh, Pham Man, Nhu Binh, K'Lamdong, Rahman Engie, Vinh Chanh, Minh Chau,
Nguyen
Thanh Vinh, Phan Huy Tung, Tran Thi Tram, Phan Quang Tue, Ngoc Van, Le Trong
Nghia, Thai Hoang, Duong Nguyen, Hoang Viet, Tran Kim, Nguyen Minh Hieu, An
Lien, Thi D. Tran, Hung Nugyen, Phag(?) Q. Tien, Phan Q. Thong, and Le
Thuc Lan
[identified 1988)].
Forces of Free Vietnam (Mat Tran Viet Nam Tu Do), [Free Vietnam Force];
formed
in November 1978 with merger of Front for Human Rights Struggle and National
Revolutionary Movement. At core are VNQDD remnants. Tran Ngoc Khai elected
secretary ad iterim; Nguyen Van Ngo adviser/national strategist; Le Manh
That,
in charge of political affairs, drafted programof action; Le Dang Pha in
charge
of propaganda and training; Tran Thang Tai,in charge of military affairs and
building secret zone [Nui Be, Thuan Hai province]; and Phan Van Ty,
assistant to
Tai. Others associated: Tran Thang Tri, Ho Khac Dung, Thich Nhat Nanh,
Cao Ngoc
Phuong, Thai Thi Ngoc Suong, Truong Quang Canh, Do Mau, Phan Van Ty, Ton That
Ky, Pham Van Thuong (aka Thich Tue Si) and Le Manh. Manh sentenced to
death for
counter-revolutionary activities in October 1988. Linked to Buddhist circles.
Song Lanh secret zone raided by security police in October 1982. March
22, 1984
remaining leaders caught. Organisation 'smashed' in 1985 and all of its 73
members arrested. Khai sentenced to 20 years, Nguyen Van Ngo and Pham
Dinh Thuan
18 years each.
Free Vietnam Alliance (Lien Minh Viet Nam Tu Do). Grew out of October 1989
student movement in Australia for freedom and democracy. Collapse of
communism
in Europe and actions in Australia led to formation of similar groups in US,
Canada and UK. Alliance formed July 13-14, 1990 at Conference of
Movements for
Vietnam's Freedom and Democracy held in Paris. Coordination Committee of 9
representatives of member movements formed. November 1991 FVA announces the
addition of its 34th member, Vietnamese Social and Democratic Party, in
Hanoi.
Holds seminar on human rights in Melbourne, December 10, 1991. November 1992
Vietnam Democracy, English language monthly newsletter starts publication
(Vietnamese version began in August 1991). Members: Nguyen Trong Viet
(Secretary
General 1992-), Nguyen Vo Ky (Secretary General 1990-92), Nguyen Ngoc Duc
(deputy secretary-general). Second congress held in Paris on September
24, 1992;
attended by 25 out of 30 member associations. Nguyen Vo Ky replaced as
chairman
by Nguyen Trong Viet. Coordination Committee for 1992-94: Nguyen Vo Ky
(ex-Secretary General, France), Nguyen Ngoc Duc (deputy Secretary General,
France), Nguyen Dang Khai (Switzerland), Nguyen Trong Viet (North America),
Nguyen Tu Mo (Southern California), Nguyen Huy Bich (eastern Canada), Nguyen
Quoc Thinh (Youth and Student Movement of Australia), Do Dang Lieu
(Australia),
Mai Huu Tan (Japan) and Nguyen Trong Viet (Japan).
Freedom Forum (Dien Dan Tu Do), founded in 1990 by Doan Viet Hoat.
Produced four
issues of news-sheet with same name. March 1993, Hoat's 20 years imprisonment
reduced to 15. No evidence Hoat advocated violence.
Front for Human Rights Struggle (in 1978 merged with National Revolutionary
Movement to form Free Vietnam Force). Members associated: Tran Thang Tri,
Thich
Dat Hue, Thich Minh Tam and Thich Quang Thanh.
Greater Overseas Alliance for National Restoration of Vietnam
[GreatAlliance for
the Restoration of Vietnam], Vo Dai Ton (identified 30 April1979).
International Committee for a Free Vietnam (Uy Ban Quoc Te Yem Tro Viet
Nam Tu
Do) founded in 1985 in Brussels. Central Committee member: Le Phat Minh.
Honorary Committee: Bui Trong Cuong (Natioal Chairman, Vietnamese
Community in
Australia), Dang Giang Son (Chairman, Vietnamese Nationalist Forces);
Dang Quang
Duong (former Chief of Staff of Caodaist Army and former General
Secretary of
the Social Republican Party); Do Dan Cong (ex-ARVN Navy Captain), Doan Ba
Cang
(Australia, ex-RVN Ambassador), Nguyen Van Tho (former RVN minister), Ha
Krong
(member FULRO), Hong Van Hoanh (Hoa Hao dignitary), Huynh Thanh (General
Secretary Social-Democratic Party), Le Danh Dam, Le Van Tai (founder
Restoration
of Vietnam Association), Nguyen Ngoc Huy (founder General Secretary National
Progressive Movement, chairmanof the executive Committee Alliance for
Democracy
in Vietnam), Nguyen Ton Hoan (former chairman Dai Viet party), Nguyen Van
Canh
(Dai Viet), Nguyen Van Tai (co-founder and former deputy chairman Neo Dai
Viet
Party,co-founder ands vice chairman Executive Committee of Alliance for
Democracy in Vietnam), Nguyen Van Tho (ex-RVN minister), Pham Dang Lan
(ex-ARVN), Pham Viet Tuyen, Phan Thanh Van (ex-ARVN), Thich Giac Duc (former
Secretary-General, Vietnam Unified Buddhist Church), Thien Dung Subalo
(former
General Secretary of Therevada Sangha, RVN), Thai Tuong, Tran Duc Tuong
(chairman, European chapter Front for Liberation of Vietnam), Tran Huu Quyen
(co-founder and former General Secretary of Confederation of
ChristianWorkers in
Vietnam), Tran Van An (founder Socialist Democracy Party), TranVan Lam,
Tran Huu
Nhat (ex-RVN Marines), Vang Pao, Bui Diem, Vien Quang Linh, Tho Van Nguyen
(ex-RVN minister). General Co-ordinator: Le Chi Thien (Brusels), European
representatives: Nguyen Quoc Nam, Bui Nhu Son, Phan Thanh Van, Quach Van Ha;
North America: Le Trong Nghia, Nguyen Phuoc Trang, Nguyen Van Chuyen,
Nguyen Ky
Tam, Ninh Ngoc Nam, Le Cau (ex-ARVN Colonel), and Nguyen Van Chuyen;
Australia:
H. V. Dang, Nguyen Tri Hoa, Henry Dang (Australian co-ordinator), Minh Nguyen
(ACT), Nguyen Hoa, and Sanh Le(NSW).
International Committee for Co-ordinating Nationalities (circa May 1990).
Khang Chien Quan. Member Phung Tan Hiep killed in Vietnam in 1983. Sets up
Vietnamese Resistance Radio in late 1983. Commander Maj. Gen. Duong Van Tu;
associates: Nguyen Van Khanh, Nguyen Huy, Nguyen Quoc Hai, Chau Sang, Dao
Ba Ke,
Tran Hung, Tran Loc, Ba Hoang, Tran Van Do, Nguyen Viet Quoc, Tran Duc,
Hoang Co
Dinh, Dang Van Thanh, Kim Ngoc Phuoc, Tran Van Binh and Nguyen Van Chuc.
Operates from Thailand in Buntharik base (initially called Chi Lang and
renamed
Van Kiep).Liaison Office to Co-ordinate Associations of Free Overseas
Vietnamese
(circa 1990).
Militia Front for the National Renaissance of Vietnam. Ngo Van Truong,
president, arrested January 1984, tried and sentenced to death on 9
August1986.
Modernized Vietnam Revolutionary Party.
Movement to Demythologize Ho Chi Minh, one of 16 Vietnamese-American
organizations marking Human rights Day (December 1993) in San Jose.
Movement to Unite the People and Build Democracy (see: Phong Trao Thong
Nhat Dan
Toc va Xay Dung Dan Chu).
National Renaissance Party (1976) - Nguyen Van Muoi (aka Nguyen Quoc
Hung) and
Nguyen Van Loc members.
National Revolutionary Movement (in 1978 merged with Front for Human Rights
Struggle to form Free Vietnam Force). Members: Le Manh That (aka Thich Tri
Sieu), Ho Khac Dung, Le Dang Pha, Tran Thang Ta, Phan Van Ty, Dong Van
Kha(Thich
Duc Nhuan), Dong Van Kha, associates abroad: Tam Chau, Nhat Hanh,Tran
Ngoc Ninh.
National United Front for the Liberation of Vietnam, founded 30th April,
1980,
southern California. Led by (late) Hoang Co Minh (in November 1992 still
listed
as president), National Resistance Council, three branches:General
Directorate
on Inland Afairs (Ngo Van Tu), General Directorate of Overseas Affairs
(Nguyen
Kim), and Armed Resistance Forces (Dang Quoc Hien, CIC). Produces magazine
called The Vietnamese Resistance [August 1987 issue says aim 'in every
way and
by every means to overthrow the Viet Cong']. Chapters in Northern and
Southern
California; in San Jose, San Diego. Falls Church (US), Japan, Australia and
France. Members: Do Niem; Ly Thai Hung, Commissioner for Overseas Vietnamese.
Associated group: Resistance Performance Group. Three unsuccessful
attempts to
infiltrate Vietnam: May15, 1986; July 7, 1987 and August 22, 1989. Australian
contact: Duy Quang Nguyen. Sponsors news magazine, Vietnam Insight;
staff: Tran
Dieu Chan [aka Chan Tran, editor] (main office editor), Au Minh Dung (Asia),
Tran Duc Danh (Australia), Nguyen Ngoc Bao (Europe).
NUF - Dang Quoc Hien, commanding general; Duong Van Tu, major general and
deputy
commander of Resistance Armed Forces; Nguyen Kim [is this SEA list's Kim
Nguyen?] as chief of the Foreign Affairs Department; and Nguyen Vinh Loc as
chief of the Internal Affairs Department. Produces newspaper, Bao Khang Chien
(Resistance). Charter states Front is a force comprised of ex-members of
RVN and
ARVN and others opposed to Vietnamese socialist regime living in Vietnam and
abroad who will overthrow that regime.
New Viet Party (Tan Viet) organised by Hoang Co Minh.
Organization for the Restoration of Vietnam (Phuc Hung).
Overseas Volunteer Forces for the Restoration of Vietnam (also rendered
Overseas
Vietnam for National Restoration)- Vo Dai Ton, founder, in 1984 holds press
conference in London.
People's Action Party of Vietnam. Nguyen Si Binh, founder, and 16 others
arrested April 25, 1992, for trying to form new political party. Accused of
attempting to overthrow government. International groups claim there is
noevidence he has advocated violence.
Phong Trao Thong Nhat Dan Toc va Xay Dung Dan Chu (Movement for National
Unity
and Building Democracy/Movement to Unite the People and Build Democracy),
formed
16th July 1992. Personnel: chairman, Nguyen Dinh Huy,(Nguyen Viet Thang
(ex-Dai
Viet), Nguyen Ngoc Tan (Pham Tu San), Pham Tuong (Tran Phong), Pham Toan,
Nguyen
Van Chinh. Saigon Giai Phong (November 27,1993) claims that reports a
political
opposition group - Movement for,National Unity and Building Democracy - was
planning to hold a public,seminar in Ho Chi Minh City are false [see FEER,
December 9, 1993]. Leadersin Ho Chi Minh City: Nguyen Dinh Huy, Pham
Tuong, and
Hoang Van Khai.
Phuc Hung (Organization for the Restoration of Vietnam).
Que Minh (Our Home) anti-communist movement named after clash with Lao
security
forces, October 1987. Part of National United Front for the Liberation of
Vietnam.
Scientific Social Party of Vietnam. Nguoi Ha Noi (October 7, 1990)
reports the
uncovering in July of a clandestine opposition group which was planningto
disrupt national day celebration and overthrow the VCP. Plans to assassinate
high-ranking officials said to have been discovered. Anti-government
tracts to
be distributed, two bombs set to go off in Hanoi, Leader: Nguyen Kiet.
Membership of 34 (teacher, artists, bureaucrat, reseacher), with cells in Nam
Dinh and Hanoi. Sought overseas contacts.
Unified Front of Patriotic Forces for the Liberation of Vietnam - Founded in
Paris 17 February 1976. Members: Le Quoc Tuy (foreign affairs
representative),
Mai Van Hanh, Tran Van Ba, Luong Trong Tuong, Le ChonTinh, Huynh Vinh
Sanh, Le
Quoc Quan, Ho Tan Khoa, Ho Thai Bach (liaison with Cao Dai), Lai Huu Tai
(secretary representing Front in the US). Members Mai Van Hanh and Tran
Van Ba
captured and tried in Ho Chi Minh City in December 1984, alleged to have
connections with Chinese and Thai intelligence services.
Viet Tan (Renovated Viet), short for Canh Tan Cach Mang Dang.
Vietnam Human Rights Front; members: Pham Van Thuong and Le Manh
sentenced to
death for counter-revolutionary activities in October 1988. Linked to
Buddhist
circles. Other members: Phan Van Ty and Ton That Ky.
Vietnam National Resistance Front, founded 30 April 1980. Central Leadership
Council - Nguyen The Minh, chairman. Council revamped 1 April1981. Merges
with
United National Front for the Liberation of Vietnam (1December 1983).
Vietnam National Salvation Committee/National Salvation Front - maintained
relations with anti-communist resistance groups in Cambodia and Laos.
Aim: to
overthrow the Vietnamese government through psychological warfare and
military
operations combined with political and diplomatic means.
Vietnam Quoc Dan Dang (Kuomintang), after 1985, members of 'Central
UpperCouncil': Nguyen Van Ngo, Nguyen Thanh Son, Pham Dinh Thuan and Dao Ngoc
Vien attempt to regroup VNQDD into Free Vietnam Front.
Vietnam People's Party, formed in 1970s by re-education camp inmates.
Founding
member: Trinh Van Thuong, member: Nguyen Thanh Van. January 1991distributes
communique in Vietnam and abroad describing organization. February, 1991,
distributes leaflets urging violent overthrow of government('crush the
current
regime'), encourages peasant demonstrations. On June16, 1991 security forces
arrest members of this 'counter-revolutionary' group composed of ex-ARVN
officers. Charged with plotting violent uprising(Saigon Giai Phong, May 4,
1992).
Vietnam Renaissance, see Militia Front for the National Renaissance of
Vietnam.
Vietnam Renovation Revolutionary Party/Vietnam Renovation
Party/VietnamRevolutionary Reformation Party (Viet Nam Canh Tan Cach Mang
Dang -
Dang Viet Tan) founded 30th April 1980. Hoang Co Minh leader. Blue flag with
six-petal white apricot flower. Member: Tran Quang Do.
Vietnam Restoration Party. One of 16 Vietnamese-American organizations
marking
Human Rights Day (December 1993) in San Jose.
Vietnamese Community in Australia, led by Vo Minh Cuong. Holds 12th national
conference in Brisbane (January 1994). Leadership: Hoang Van Nguyen,
Hoang Ngo
(president Vietnamese Community in Queensland).
Vietnamese Organization for Human Rights (Canada); leader: Lam Thu Van.
Vietnamese Social and Democratic Party, reportedly founded in Hanoi
in1989, 20
member central committee. Joined Free Vietnam Alliance in November1991 as
34th
members.
Voice of the Vietnamese Americans; newsletter editor Tran Binh Nam, associate
editor Ngo Quoc Si; staff writers: Do Anh Dzung, Tran Quoc Bao, Tran Phu Loc,
and Pham Nam Phu. Based in Los Angeles.
Volunteer Troops.
White Tiger (Bach Ho), 2nd Regiment, founded November 1981. Members arrested
July 1984. Nguyen Van Muoi (aka Nguyen Quoc Hung) and Nguyen Van Loc leaders,
tried in Vung Tau court on charges of setting up armedo rganizations
aimed at
overthrowing government (March 1985). Other members jailed for spreading
subversive propaganda.
Youth and Student Movement in Australia, chairman Nguyen Quoc Thinh.
I CANNOT TAKE PERSONAL CREDIT FOR THIS RAHTER GREATER QUANTITY OF
INFORMATION THAT D. NGUYEN BARGAINED FOR -- I ONLY WISH I COULD; INSTEAD
I AM INDEBTED FOR THIS INFORMATION TO ONE OF THE ONLY TWO PERSONS I KNOW IN
THE PROFESSION WHO KEEP FILES THIS COMPLETE.
I WOULD ADD, HOWEVER, THAT I HAVE GONE OVER THE LISTS FOR ERRORS AND, TO
THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, HAVE FOUND NONE EXCEPT FOR A FEW MINOR
MIS-SPELLINGS.
NEITHER I NOR THE PERSON ON WHOM I RELIED FOR MOST OF THIS INFORMATION
BELIEVE THAT THIS LIST IS IN ANY WAY COMPLETE, BUT IT DOES GIVE ONE SOME
IDEA OF THE FRACTIOUS NATURE OF THE OPRGANIZTIONS INVOLVED.
I WOULD POINT OUT THE FOLLOWING:
1) FORMER OFFICIALS OF THE RVN GOVERNMENT DO OCCUPY SIGNIFICANT
POSITIONS IN A MAJORITY OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS, THUS LENDING SUBSTANCE TO
MY ALLEGATION THAT MUCH OF THE CONTRA ACTIVITY DOES INCLUDE AND ELEMENT
OF TRYING TO BRING BACK "THE GOOD OLD DAYS."
2) THERE IS A PAUCITY OF FEMALES REPRESENTED AMONG THE LUMINARIES
LISTED ABOVE -- THIS IS NOT TYPICAL OF RESISTANCE ORGANIZATIONS IN OTHER
CIRCUMSTANCES. THE FRENCH RESISTANCE COUNTED AMONG ITS MEMBERS MANY
WOMEN OPERATIVES, INCLUDING PEOPLE IN POSITIONS OF RESPONSIBILITY. THE
PLO, THE INTE FADA, AND OTHER ARAB POLITICAL RESISTANCE ORGANIZATIONS
HAVE MANY VERY ACTIVE WOMEN MEMBERS, INCLUDING MEMBERS IN LEADERSHIP
POSITIONS, IN SPITE OF THE CULTURAL BIAS AGAINST WOMEN IN PUBLIC LIFE IN
THEIR CULTURE. THE PROPORTION OF WOMEN IN THE CURRENT SRV GOVERNMENT,
THOUGH NOT HIGH, IS CERTAINLY MUCH HIGHER THAN REPRESENTED AMONG THE
ABOVE LISTED ORGANIZATIONS. THIS REFLECTS AN INCREASING GENDER-SPLIT
INSIDE THE VIET KIEU COMMUNITIES, FROM WHICH FAR GREATER NUMBERS OF WOMEN
THAN MEN ARE RETURNING FOR VISITS TO VIET NAM AND ARE ENGAGED IN DE FACTO
NORMALIZATION IN SPITE OF MALE DISAPPROVAL.
3) ONE ORGANIZATION IS NOT LISTED HERE, ONE WHICH IS REPUTED TO ACT
PRIMARILY THROUGH SOME OF THE ABOVE ORGANIZATIONS AND WHICH HAS CLAIMED
RESPONSIBILITY FOR POLITICAL ASSASSINATIONS IN THE UNITED STATES. THIS
ORGANIZATION HAS AMONG ITS MEMBERS A NUMBER OF FORMER RVN MILITARY,
ESPECIALLY FORMER RVN NAVY, AND IS THOUGHT TO HAVE CERTAIN TIES WITH THE
TRIADS. THIS ORGAINZATION IS THE SUBJECT OF AN EXTENSIVE ON-GOING
INVESTIGATION BY THE F.B.I. AND THE U.S. ATTORNEY FOR SAN DIEGO UNDER THE
R.I.C.O. STATUES. AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I DO NOT KNOW MUCH MORE THAN
THIS ABOUT IT. HOWEVER, IF I CAN FIND MORE INFORMATION IN THE
PUBLIC PRINTS ABOUT THIS ORGANIZATION IN THE NEAR FUTURE, I SHALL POST.