Strange 047 abend

[michelbutz]

I am getting a 047 abend running a program
That runs in production
The 047 abend under both TSO TEST and debug tool happens with a STC instruction which tries to
Modify the 2 lengths of a AP instruction

The program is NOT re-entrant

Thanks

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> Subject: Strange 047 abend
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>
> I am getting a 047 abend running a program
> That runs in production
> The 047 abend under both TSO TEST and debug tool happens with a STC
> instruction which tries to
> Modify the 2 lengths of a AP instruction
>
> The program is NOT re-entrant

It is impossible to get a 047 abend as the result of an
STC instruction. If you need assistance with correctly
interpreting the data you are misinterpreting, then
you will need to provide the data that you are misinterpreting.


Jim Mulder z/OS System Test IBM Corp. Poughkeepsie, NY

[michelbutz]

Happened with both TSO TEST and debug tool

I'll check the instruction storage area again to see that it is a STC instruction

Thanks

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[Binyamin Dissen]

On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 22:39:58 -0400 michelbutz <miche...@COMCAST.NET> wrote:

:>I am getting a 047 abend running a program

:>That runs in production
:>The 047 abend under both TSO TEST and debug tool happens with a STC instruction which tries to
:>Modify the 2 lengths of a AP instruction
:>
:>The program is NOT re-entrant

Ain't gonna happen.

Show the mini-dump.

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[michelbutz]

There wasn't a dump just got a message from TEST "system abend 047" I'll allocate sysudump
To my TSO session

Thanks
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[Jim Mulder]

> From: michelbutz <miche...@COMCAST.NET>
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> Date: 07/23/2015 02:13 AM
> Subject: Re: Strange 047 abend

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>

> There wasn't a dump just got a message from TEST "system abend 047"
> I'll allocate sysudump
> To my TSO session

A 047 abend occurs when a MODESET SVC (x'6B') is issued while
you are not (APF Authorized or Supervisor State or Key 0).
And that is the expected state of affairs if you are running under
TSO TEST.

Jim Mulder z/OS System Test IBM Corp. Poughkeepsie, NY

[Andy Wood]

On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 02:16:59 -0400, Jim Mulder <d10...@US.IBM.COM> wrote:

...

>
> A 047 abend occurs when a MODESET SVC (x'6B') is issued while
>you are not (APF Authorized or Supervisor State or Key 0).
>And that is the expected state of affairs if you are running under
>TSO TEST.

While MODESET is a very likely candidate, it could also occur when issuing some other SVC, if that SVC is flagged as requiring authorisation.

[Rupert Reynolds]

From memory, S047 could be from any restricted SVC, so your dump would
finger a x'0A' op code.

I used TESTAUTH at one site, as you might guess an authorised version of
the TEST command. Is it generally available?

Otherwise, if you can't make progress any other way, could you run it in a
safe version of the normal environment?

[Andy Wood]

On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 22:39:58 -0400, michelbutz <miche...@COMCAST.NET> wrote:

>I am getting a 047 abend running a program
>That runs in production
>The 047 abend under both TSO TEST and debug tool happens with a STC instruction which tries to
>Modify the 2 lengths of a AP instruction

Is the EXECUTE instruction broken on your machine?

With what you are doing, you could possibly cause ABEND047 (or all sorts of other abends) not on the STC instruction, but on the AP instruction, if you had set a breakpoint on the AP under TSO TEST. That could happen because you would be changing the SVC number in the SVC instruction that replaces the first two bytes of the AP for the breakpoint. That could certainly cause some head-scratching.

[glen herrmannsfeldt]

> Is the EXECUTE instruction broken on your machine?

> With what you are doing, you could possibly cause ABEND047
> (or all sorts of other abends) not on the STC instruction,
> but on the AP instruction, if you had set a breakpoint on
> the AP under TSO TEST. That could happen because you would
> be changing the SVC number in the SVC instruction that replaces
> the first two bytes of the AP for the breakpoint.
> That could certainly cause some head-scratching.

And what does TSO TEST do if you EXecute a breakpoint SVC?

It would seem an interesting case for it to get right.

-- glen

[Duffy Nightingale, SS]

It's not really all that strange for a debugger to abend on a program that runs ok w/o the debugger. I would try using the EX inst instead of the program modifying itself as prior poster is hinting.

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michelbutz wrote:

>I am getting a 047 abend running a program
>That runs in production
>The 047 abend under both TSO TEST and debug tool happens with a STC instruction which tries to
>Modify the 2 lengths of a AP instruction

>The program is NOT re-entrant

After reading all those replies, I'm puzzled at one thing - did you ever looked at and verified that *all* your program libraries are APF-ed? If not, 047 abend is WAD.

Of course Jim Mulder and others are correct.

One last question - *where* is that AP instruction (object of STC)? Same A/S or within same/other program? If not - is that module(s) linked AC(1)?

Bonus question: Are any SVC's (including MODESET) active / called during that abend?

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

[Walt Farrell]

On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 00:13:03 -0500, Andy Wood <woo...@OZEMAIL.COM.AU> wrote:

>On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 22:39:58 -0400, michelbutz <miche...@COMCAST.NET> wrote:
>
>>I am getting a 047 abend running a program
>>That runs in production
>>The 047 abend under both TSO TEST and debug tool happens with a STC instruction which tries to
>>Modify the 2 lengths of a AP instruction
>

>Is the EXECUTE instruction broken on your machine?
>
>With what you are doing, you could possibly cause ABEND047 (or all sorts of other abends) not on the STC instruction, but on the AP instruction, if you had set a breakpoint on the AP under TSO TEST. That could happen because you would be changing the SVC number in the SVC instruction that replaces the first two bytes of the AP for the breakpoint. That could certainly cause some head-scratching.
>

But to be clear, the same thing would happen if the OP set a breakpoint on the AP, and then used an EXecute of the AP to override the length specification. He'd be EXecuting the SVC established by the breakpoint, but with a changed SVC number.

Net: I agree he should probably use EXecute not STC, but if he's setting a breakpoint it would need to be on the EXecute, not the AP to avoid the problem you mentioned.

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[John McKown]

I've bookmarked that in my browser. Thanks.

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[Shane Ginnane]

On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 06:43:23 -0600, John McKown wrote:

>I've bookmarked that in my browser. Thanks.

Me too.
Pity the z business here has gone so far down the toilet I've had to wind up my company and wander off into retirement..
Interest only now.

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[John McKown]

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Shane Ginnane <ibm-...@tpg.com.au> wrote:

> On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 06:43:23 -0600, John McKown wrote:
>
> >I've bookmarked that in my browser. Thanks.
>
> Me too.
> Pity the z business here has gone so far down the toilet I've had to wind
> up my company and wander off into retirement..
> Interest only now.
>
> Shane ...
>

​too true. I may even start playing the state lottery, even though that's
not really a good idea. I understand enough statistics to know that. ​

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He's about as useful as a wax frying pan.

10 to the 12th power microphones = 1 Megaphone

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[Elardus Engelbrecht]

John McKown wrote:
>​too true. I may even start playing the state lottery, even though that's not really a good idea. I understand enough statistics to know that. ​

and Shane Ginnane wrote:
>Pity the z business here has gone so far down the toilet I've had to wind up my company and wander off into retirement..
Interest only now.

Same with angling. Years ago you could catch MANY BIG fishes.

Today, just like with z and related things, you're lucky if you can catch at least one fish in a day..

There are still enough fishes in our oceans, dams and rivers for a while, but ...

Your grand children will ask this question and you're too old to remember anyways:

Mainframe? Fish? z/OS? Rhinos? MVS? Tigers? RACF? Pandas? What are those terrible things?

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

[Shane Ginnane]

On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 07:34:25 -0600, John McKown wrote:

>​too true. I may even start playing the state lottery, even though that's
>not really a good idea. I understand enough statistics to know that. ​

Don't do that.
I was listening to the BBC overnight a few weeks back, and they must have been amending their lottery to have more numbers so the ultimate prize was bigger.
They had a maths/stats prof on - he said for the current lottery, if you stood in line for six and a half minute waiting for a ticket you had more chance of dying in that 6.5 minutes than winning the money.
They added more numbers, so the time delta went down accordingly.

Sobering .... ;0)

Shane ...

[John McKown]

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Shane Ginnane <ibm-...@tpg.com.au> wrote:

> On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 07:34:25 -0600, John McKown wrote:
>
> >​too true. I may even start playing the state lottery, even though that's
> >not really a good idea. I understand enough statistics to know that. ​
>
> Don't do that.
> I was listening to the BBC overnight a few weeks back, and they must have
> been amending their lottery to have more numbers so the ultimate prize was
> bigger.
> They had a maths/stats prof on - he said for the current lottery, if you
> stood in line for six and a half minute waiting for a ticket you had more
> chance of dying in that 6.5 minutes than winning the money.
> They added more numbers, so the time delta went down accordingly.
>
> Sobering .... ;0)
>

​Yeah. I remember a stats teacher on the TV saying something like: If you
want to gamble, go to Los Vegas instead of playing any state lottery. You
have a better chance of winning, and you'll have more fun due to the
entertainment in the casinos' bar. Note from me: And the women in the
casinos are prettier than the ones around the lottery machines! But that
may be a terribly sexist remark which is emotionally damaging to the
<elided/> women at the lottery machine.​

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[Elardus Engelbrecht]

Shane Ginnane wrote:

>Sobering .... ;0)

Indeed. I was at a casino once and it amazed me that there are zombies sitting there all day and night, staring at and feeding those one-arm bandits.

Now and then I do buy a lotto ticket. Half of the time I do get my money back. Never won enough to buy lots of *more* lotto tickets anyway. It is more or less throwing away part of your money in the water.

They're playing tricks with your brain - you usually win enough to keep you in the loop. if you lose too much, you may give up early resulting in a loss to those lotto and casino owners.

I agree with you about the sobering calculations... No need to bet on that ... ;-)

Oh, I still have that REXX program which generates for me some lotto numbers. Now if I could figure out a routine so it can *always* match the upcoming jackpot!!! 8-[

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

[R.S.]

W dniu 2015-12-04 o 14:55, Elardus Engelbrecht pisze:
> [...]

> There are still enough fishes in our oceans, dams and rivers for a while, but ...
>
> Your grand children will ask this question and you're too old to remember anyways:
>
> Mainframe? Fish? z/OS? Rhinos? MVS? Tigers? RACF? Pandas? What are those terrible things?

We had a rhino in ZOO, also tigers and some bears, but RACF? MVS?

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On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 7:34 AM, John McKown
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> too true. I may even start playing the state lottery, even though that's
> not really a good idea. I understand enough statistics to know that.
>

Don't play in Illinois. They only give you and IOU.


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[John McKown]

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Mike Schwab <mike.a...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 7:34 AM, John McKown
> <john.arch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> <deleted>
> > too true. I may even start playing the state lottery, even though that's
> > not really a good idea. I understand enough statistics to know that.
> >
> Don't play in Illinois. They only give you and IOU.
>

​I live in Texas. But, really, I have no intention of trying the lottery.
It was just a weird & stupid idea. Sort of like converting from z/OS to
Windows and expecting 24x7x365 reliability.​

>
>
> --
> Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA
> Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all?
>

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[Jack J. Woehr]

John McKown wrote:
> too true. I may even start playing the state lottery, even though that's
> not really a good idea. I understand enough statistics to know that. ​

After I interviewed Prof. William Kahan (designer of the math for the Intel 8087 co-processor) in 1997,

( http://www.drdobbs.com/architecture-and-design/a-conversation-with-william-kahan/184410314 )

we went out to lunch and he told me he was playing the California lottery, which had reached something like a $250M in
that cycle.

I was astounded. "A mathematician playing the lottery?"

"Sure," he replied. "Firstly, when the prize gets this large the odds payoff on a $1 ticket is so much larger than the
odds against you winning.
And secondly, if, like me, it's the only chance you're going to get in life to see one million dollars, well, why not play?"

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[Tony Harminc]

On 4 December 2015 at 08:34, John McKown <john.arch...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> ​too true. I may even start playing the state lottery, even though that's
> not really a good idea. I understand enough statistics to know that. ​
>

Thing is, buying a ticket is almost completely irrelevant to whether you
win. I have multiple times over the years, unknown to me until after the
fact, had tickets bought for me under various circumstances. For most
people the chances of this happening are surely far higher than the chances
of winning. I'd guess this happens to me every year or two, so if I average
that out and say that on any given day there's maybe a 1/500 chance that I
have a ticket, this multiplier pales into insignificance when compared to
the lottery odds, which are typically numbers like 1/35000000.

Save your money; you may still win.

Tony H.

[Patrick Hayward]

Some people have beaten the lottery!
http://www.jordanellenberg.com/how-not-to-be-wrong/

A fun book to read.

[Ed Gould]

On Dec 4, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote:
> --------------------------SNIP

>
> Now and then I do buy a lotto ticket. Half of the time I do get my
> money back. Never won enough to buy lots of *more* lotto tickets
> anyway. It is more or less throwing away part of your money in the
> water.
>
> They're playing tricks with your brain - you usually win enough to
> keep you in the loop. if you lose too much, you may give up early
> resulting in a loss to those lotto and casino owners.

E:

The chances of winning in IL are the same but on the downside they
don't pay if you are a winner

Ed

[Dana Mitchell]

On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 11:39:11 -0600, Ed Gould <edgou...@COMCAST.NET> wrote:
>
>The chances of winning in IL are the same but on the downside they
>don't pay if you are a winner
>
>Ed
>

And if you can't win the lottery fair and square, get a job with the commission and fix it:

http://www.kcci.com/news/lottery-holding-news-conference-on-lottery-investigation/35754806

http://www.kcci.com/news/sentencing-today-in-former-lottery-security-worker-ticket-case/35173946

Dana

[Ed Gould]

On Dec 4, 2015, at 12:04 PM, Dana Mitchell wrote:

> On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 11:39:11 -0600, Ed Gould
> <edgou...@COMCAST.NET> wrote:
>>
>> The chances of winning in IL are the same but on the downside they
>> don't pay if you are a winner
>>
>> Ed
>>
>
> And if you can't win the lottery fair and square, get a job with
> the commission and fix it:
>
> http://www.kcci.com/news/lottery-holding-news-conference-on-lottery-
> investigation/35754806
>
> http://www.kcci.com/news/sentencing-today-in-former-lottery-
> security-worker-ticket-case/35173946
>
> Dana
------------------------------

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In *OUR* case it is pure politics.

Ed

[Mike Schwab]

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Patrick Hayward <hay...@codemagus.com> wrote:
> Some people have beaten the lottery!
> http://www.jordanellenberg.com/how-not-to-be-wrong/
>
> A fun book to read.

Or bought 5M tickets (ran out of time trying to get all 7M possible
combinations).
http://www.nytimes.com/1992/02/25/us/group-invests-5-million-to-hedge-bets-in-lottery.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

[Vince Coen]

The BBC (British Broadcasting Corporation - UK) does *NOT* run any lottery.

There are more than one (and a bit) different lotteries licensed in the
UK and no I do not subscribe to any.

The odds as you point out are horrendous.

Originally it was bad enough with 6 numbers at odds of 14.5M : 1

> .
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[Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.]

In <5661CA41...@codemagus.com>, on 12/04/2015

at 05:15 PM, Patrick Hayward <hay...@CODEMAGUS.COM> said:

>Some people have beaten the lottery!

They're called ""The House".

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In article <20151204220655.54...@yahoo.ca> teD wrote:

> Easier to get a Royal Flush.
> 265,000:1

A dealt royal flush, AKQJT all of the same suit, in any order, is closer to
650,000-1. A drawn royal flush, the jackpot hand on most "video poker" slot
machines, is typically between 32,000-1 and 50,000-1, depending on the
strategy the player is using (which itself should depend on what the payoff
is on other hands than a royal flush.)

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[Ted MacNEIL]

‎In Texas Hold'em is what I was talking about.

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From: Randy Hudson
Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 23:03

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Subject: Re: IBM z Systems Development Blog

[Ted MacNEIL]

24x7x52 is already a year (less a few days).
Multiplying by 365 makes it 365 yrars.

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From: Vernooij, CP (ITOPT1) - KLM
Sent: Monday, December 7, 2015 02:35

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[Vernooij, CP - KLM , ITOPT1]

Early Monday? Have a coffee first.
Note the chars after the '365'.
Check John's original 24x7x365.

[R.S.]

W dniu 2015-12-07 o 09:09, Ted MacNEIL pisze:

> 24x7x52 is already a year (less a few days).
> Multiplying by 365 makes it 365 yrars.

That's why I use to write '24/7/365'
Less chance to get acrimonious remark.
Of course both ways of notation do NOT describe mathematical operation,
and it's quite obvious for every non-layman reader.

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[Steve Thompson]

On 12/07/2015 04:59 AM, R.S. wrote:
> W dniu 2015-12-07 o 09:09, Ted MacNEIL pisze:
>> 24x7x52 is already a year (less a few days).
>> Multiplying by 365 makes it 365 yrars.
> That's why I use to write '24/7/365'
> Less chance to get acrimonious remark.
> Of course both ways of notation do NOT describe mathematical
> operation, and it's quite obvious for every non-layman reader.
>

It is still the CxO error meaning we are open|functional|whatever
24 hours a day, every day of the year.

You will either get great anger if you point out the problem or
the deer in the headlights look.

24*7 = 1 week * 365 = 7 years minus a day or two.

Please note: There are three kinds of people in this world, those
who can count and those who can't.

Have a great Monday,
Steve Thompson

[Elardus Engelbrecht]

Steve Thompson wrote:

>Please note: There are three kinds of people in this world, those who can count and those who can't.

Count me in... ;-)

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

[rnet...@gmail.com]

On Monday, December 7, 2015 at 8:02:37 AM UTC-5, Steve Thompson wrote:

> Please note: There are three kinds of people in this world, those
> who can count and those who can't.

There are 10 kinds of people in the world; those who grasp binary and those who don't.

Bob Netzlof

[Ed Gould]

Is there a leap week somewhere along the line?

Ed

[Timothy Sipples]

In fairness, "24x7x365" was originally a shopkeeper/consumer sort of
expression, never intended as a mathematical formula. As in, "We're open
round the clock, every day of the week, every day of the year." Or in other
words "We don't close overnight, we don't close on (insert historically
religious day here), and we don't close for any holidays." Business
establishments then posted signs such as:

* We're open 24 hours per day
* We're open 7 days per week
* We're open every day of the year

Then shortened those signs. If you're mathematically inclined the shortened
expression might bother you. Tough. Deal with it. :-) This is the sort of
thing that gives geeks (like me) a bad reputation. :-)

I notice nobody has yet mentioned the mathematical defects associated with
leap years and leap seconds. ("24x365" is still "wrong.") You're all so
disappointing. :-) :-)

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Timothy Sipples
IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM z Systems, AP/GCG/MEA
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[Vernooij, CP - KLM , ITOPT1]

You never know: we leapt 7 years a few centuries ago.

Kees.

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