Beneteau 473 Boat Stand Positions and on the hard storage vs slip

[Glide2277]

Hello all

So, I am just purchasing a 2005 Beneteau Oceanis 473.  She is in Croatia.  I am trying to decide whether to have her remain in storage on the hard or to put her back in her slip.  The current owner will watch over her carefully until I arrive at the end of March 2018 to pick her up.

So, first i wanted to know whether people think that the boat stands have been correctly positioned by the yard and whether another set of boat stands should be added. (I don't have the manual yet).  

I have attached 2 pics to show boat stand current positions.

Also, I am wondering what people think of dry vs wet storage...have heard that some people think that in dry storage the mast can put undue pressure on a specific point in the hull, rather than being dispersed as when the hull is evenly 'held' by the ocean...

While others are concerned that the bottom will grow impossibly covered by sea life---and I will just have to pull her again and have the bottom painted again...4 months sooner...

The owners have kept her in the water for most of her life.  They live nearby and love the boat and I am confident that they would be extremely wary of any leakage etc...so presuming that is ok what is better dry dock or wet slip?

It gets pretty windy there so there is some chance (slim I hope) that the boat is overturned because of additional windage, while of course she could also be damaged in the slip by a high-wind storm...on the other hand the sea weed and even barnacles seem to grow relatively quickly there--around the 75th percentile i am guessing in terms of speed of sea-growth.

Thanks very much for your time, thoughts and ideas...

mk

[Brian W]

Couple thoughts:

* Boat stands - our marina actually "sounds" the hull, like a surveyor would, to locate the strong points to position the jacks

* Water vs land storage - land storage gives the boat a chance to dry out - yes, it actually does; we've taken moisture readings immediately after haul out and just before painting the bottom for the next season. There is a substantial difference. Less moisture should reduce the chance of blisters.

Brian W.

s/v Toujours (Beneteau First 405 Hull #104)

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[iamdave]

I would leave it out of the water, especially if its out now.  You may also find that insurance is a bit cheaper as well.  I personally think its good for it to be out of the water some.  I live in a place where our boats are only in the water for 4-5 months of the year though so may be biased as there is not much of a choice here.  We had our last boat for 9 years and never had any trouble leaving the mast up while out of the water all but 2 of those years on an almost 40yr old boat.

I'm not an expert on stand placement but can tell you there are 4 473's in our yard.  Two of the three (mine is one) have 7 stands and the 3rd has 9, 4 on each side with one in the front.  The 4th boat is in a cradle with 3 pads on each side.

On Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 7:50:30 AM UTC-5, BDub wrote:

Couple thoughts:

* Boat stands - our marina actually "sounds" the hull, like a surveyor would, to locate the strong points to position the jacks

* Water vs land storage - land storage gives the boat a chance to dry out - yes, it actually does; we've taken moisture readings immediately after haul out and just before painting the bottom for the next season. There is a substantial difference. Less moisture should reduce the chance of blisters.

Brian W.

s/v Toujours (Beneteau First 405 Hull #104)

On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 11:28 PM, Glide2277 <glid...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello all

So, I am just purchasing a 2005 Beneteau Oceanis 473.  She is in Croatia.  I am trying to decide whether to have her remain in storage on the hard or to put her back in her slip.  The current owner will watch over her carefully until I arrive at the end of March 2018 to pick her up.

So, first i wanted to know whether people think that the boat stands have been correctly positioned by the yard and whether another set of boat stands should be added. (I don't have the manual yet).  

I have attached 2 pics to show boat stand current positions.

Also, I am wondering what people think of dry vs wet storage...have heard that some people think that in dry storage the mast can put undue pressure on a specific point in the hull, rather than being dispersed as when the hull is evenly 'held' by the ocean...

While others are concerned that the bottom will grow impossibly covered by sea life---and I will just have to pull her again and have the bottom painted again...4 months sooner...

The owners have kept her in the water for most of her life.  They live nearby and love the boat and I am confident that they would be extremely wary of any leakage etc...so presuming that is ok what is better dry dock or wet slip?

It gets pretty windy there so there is some chance (slim I hope) that the boat is overturned because of additional windage, while of course she could also be damaged in the slip by a high-wind storm...on the other hand the sea weed and even barnacles seem to grow relatively quickly there--around the 75th percentile i am guessing in terms of speed of sea-growth.

Thanks very much for your time, thoughts and ideas...

mk

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[Maxwell Kennedy]

Thanks very much--sounds like really good advice...i have asked them to add a couple of stands and i intend to leave her out of the water...

any special ideas for decommissioning/ commissioning? treatment of the heads?  

for engine:

change oil

replace impeller

replace air and fuel and oil filters

clean raw water filters

change coolant...

Thanks

Max

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[iamdave]

Not sure what your weather is like, sounds like you don't need to worry about freezing temps but everything you mentioned is good stuff to do.  I usually do it in the spring before putting the boat back in the water.  Ensuring the fuel tank is full & some kind of additive is in there are good things to do as well.  On our old boat I would disconnect the batteries on this one I just flipped the red and black switches in the back stateroom, but make sure your batteries are charged up before you do that.

If its on the hard now it might be hard to get a pump out so make sure that is treated & you probably want to drain your fresh water tanks.  Up to you if you want to flush with a bleach or vinegar mixture prior to using in the spring.  You may want one of those dampness/mildew removers in there while your gone.  We cover ours so I usually leave a couple hatch slightly open to ensure some level of air circulation.   I would also take the sails and any canvas off and store down below. 

[Glide2277]

On Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 9:32:34 AM UTC-8, iamdave wrote:

Not sure what your weather is like, sounds like you don't need to worry about freezing temps but everything you mentioned is good stuff to do.  I usually do it in the spring before putting the boat back in the water.  Ensuring the fuel tank is full & some kind of additive is in there are good things to do as well.  On our old boat I would disconnect the batteries on this one I just flipped the red and black switches in the back stateroom, but make sure your batteries are charged up before you do that.

If its on the hard now it might be hard to get a pump out so make sure that is treated & you probably want to drain your fresh water tanks.  Up to you if you want to flush with a bleach or vinegar mixture prior to using in the spring.  You may want one of those dampness/mildew removers in there while your gone.  We cover ours so I usually leave a couple hatch slightly open to ensure some level of air circulation.   I would also take the sails and any canvas off and store down below. 

Thanks very much---she is far away from me unfortunately--in Med...while i am in LA....these are great suggestions but will have to come as Spring cleaning ...thanks

[George P]

MK,

We've had our boat in Greece the last two winters and this will be our third.  We haul out the boat out mainly because we are gone for 6 months or more every winter.  I just feel more comfortable knowing she can't possibly sink.  Also, when hauled out and jacked up properly, there's no harm done, and very little chance of the boat falling over.  And yes they are some severe storms that come through that will have 60+ mph gusts.....From the photo you attached, most in not all the weight of your boat is on the keel.  So for this reason I would ask for at least one more pair of stands.  Four pairs total would be better ( I currently have 5 pairs on my 49).  And yes ,as a previous poster mentioned the stands should be located on hard points under the hull (bulkheads and or stringers).  I am not sure the manual states this.  The manual will show you the proper position of the travel lift straps.  From my experience the boat yard most definitely works with the majority of the boats being in the charter trade and so they are most probably of the charter boat mentality.  It's a common issue.  I would propose that you ask them whether placing the extra stands is a question of money then just offer to rent them for the winter.   In short I would not leave a beneteau 473 as is, even if they say it's how they've always done it and will always do it.  You are the customer and you will get what you ask for, right?  I have had the same scenario play out every winter and they've always obliged me.  Of course finding the right boat yard/marina was a factor in my scenarios, they all work and do things a little differently.

The rule of thumb from what I have learned from the boatyards here in S. FL. is that 50% of the weight on the keel and 50% on the jack stands.  Like this the hull will endure with out the Keel pushing up through the hull and it's liner which will create stress on the rig for sure by pushing up the mast.

Hope this helps and keep us posted

George P

[Brian W]

Having the boat "on the hard" for a period of time also allows the hull to dry out. We've noticed a significant reduction in hull moisture over the off season storage. Should reduce the possibility of blisters.

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[DSJ - "Persistence"]

I'm no expert on stand position however if the yard is experienced in storage they should be familiar with what your new boat requires. For what it's worth, I would look at the addition of a stand directly in front of the prop shaft to support the engine as this weight is carried by the hull. Regarding stress related to the mast, this weight is borne by the compression post inside the cabin which transfers the weight directly to the keel so you should be fine. Most (many?)boats on the hard have masts in place. I would not worry about it.

[Hood Christopher]

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On Mon, 12/11/17, Brian W <brian....@gmail.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: {Beneteau Owners} Re: Beneteau 473 Boat Stand Positions and on the hard storage vs slip
To: benetea...@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, December 11, 2017, 3:37 PM

Having the
boat "on the hard" for a period of time also
allows the hull to dry out. We've noticed a significant
reduction in hull moisture over the off season storage.
Should reduce the possibility of blisters.

On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at
8:22 AM, George P <georgep...@gmail.com>
wrote:

MK,We've had our boat in Greece the last

differently.The rule of thumb from what I have

learned from the boatyards here in S. FL. is that 50% of the
weight on the keel and 50% on the jack stands.  Like this
the hull will endure with out the Keel pushing up through
the hull and it's liner which will create stress on the

rig for sure by pushing up the mast.Hope this
helps and keep us postedGeorge P

On Tuesday, November 21, 2017

at 11:28:19 PM UTC-5, Glide2277 wrote:Hello allSo, I

am just purchasing a 2005 Beneteau Oceanis 473.  She is in
Croatia.  I am trying to decide whether to have her remain
in storage on the hard or to put her back in her slip.  The
current owner will watch over her carefully until I arrive

at the end of March 2018 to pick her up.So, first

i wanted to know whether people think that the boat stands
have been correctly positioned by the yard and whether
another set of boat stands should be added. (I don't
have the manual yet).  I have attached 2 pics

to show boat stand current positions.Also, I am

wondering what people think of dry vs wet storage...have
heard that some people think that in dry storage the mast
can put undue pressure on a specific point in the hull,
rather than being dispersed as when the hull is evenly

'held' by the ocean...While others are

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[Joe Sircely]

My son keeps his boat in Montenegro.  He puts it on the hard in October then launches in April.  Have been doing this for several years.  Best of both worlds  No growth in the winter, use the boat easily April thru October, which is the primary sailing season.

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[Btbogdan46]

Leave it on the hard, less prone to damage. Hopefully, if the winter is severe there, the boat has been winterized. For you size boat, I would have prferred three sets of stands and one uner the bow to support the overhang. it look like your pads are protected, if not, then carpet on the wooden pads.

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[Brian W]

Agree with advice to stay on the hard. Let's hull dry out and avoids concerns about dock line setup in all types of winter weather. The concern about stress would be more related to the placement of the jack stands - they should be at hard points on the hull like bulkheads. Don't think the mast would be an issue.

Brian

s/v Toujours (First 405)

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