How much will Canadians have to pay Khadr for Harper's actions ?
C-O-A-L-I-T-I-O-N
Will U.K. payouts set precedent for Khadr?
Britain pays millions to keep secret role played by counterintelligence operatives in
torture of Britons abroad
Britain's decision to pay out millions rather than reveal the role its counterintelligence
operatives played in the torture and interrogation of Britons held in foreign prisons and
Guantanamo Bay parallels the stark political choice facing the Harper government, which is
also facing claims for complicity in torture.
"There are many parallels between Abousfian Abdelrazik's case and those of the British
citizens and residents who were tortured abroad," said Paul Champ, who represents Mr.
Abdelrazik, who is suing the government for $24-million over the role of Canadian Security
and Intelligence Service agents in his arrest and alleged torture in Sudan.
"Direct or indirect complicity in torture cannot be tolerated by any country that truly
respects human rights. Britain has set a good example for Canada."
Mr. Abdelrazik, ordered repatriated to Canada by a federal judge who ruled the government
had violated his constitutional rights, isn't the only Canadian seeking hefty compensation
from Ottawa for its role in the U.S. "war on terror." Omar Khadr, the Canadian who pleaded
guilty to terrorism and murder at a Guantanamo war-crimes trial earlier this month, is also
expected to sue the Harper government.
"Omar has a much stronger claim to compensation that the U.K. detainees," said Nathan
Whitling, one of his Canadian lawyers. Britain's government "settled these cases in order to
suppress state secrets and to avoid a legal precedent from their courts. In Omar's case,
much of the secret information has already been released and the Supreme Court of Canada has
already held that this information proves the government's complicity in Omar's abuse," he
added.
In Britain, at least seven former Guantanamo detainees will be compensated - and some will
receive more than $1-million. The detainees claim Britain violated their rights and
international law by knowing of their ill treatment and failing to stop it.
London's new Conservative-led government, determined to prevent the embarrassing and perhaps
ugly details of British agents' involvement, opted to pay out while continuing to deny
culpability.
"The alternative to any payments made would have been protracted and extremely expensive
litigation in an uncertain legal environment in which the government could not be certain
that it would be able to defend ... security and intelligence agencies without compromising
national security," British Justice Minister Kenneth Clarke said.
In Mr. Abdelrazik's case, a Canadian government document bearing a "CSIS" stamp says he was
imprisoned by Sudan's notorious secret police "at our request." CSIS has flatly denied the
document is a CSIS document and insists its agents have never arranged for the imprisonment
of Canadian citizens abroad.
Still, the secretive agency knew of Mr. Abdelrazik's imprisonment in Khartoum before
Canadian diplomats and kept it secret from his family. CSIS agents also interrogated Mr.
Abdelrazik in a Sudanese prison and - according to him - threatened to make sure he never
saw Canada again.
Successive Canadian governments denied him a passport and blocked his return for years.
In Mr. Khadr's case, CSIS agents interrogated him while he was in Guantanamo and, unlike
Britain and Australia, the Canadian government refused to seek his repatriation, even though
he was only 15 when captured in Afghanistan.
"What remains to be determined is how Omar is to be compensated for the Canadian
government's violation of his rights," Mr. Whitling said.
In both cases, foreign agents accused of using torture and abuse were evidently provided
information and questions by Canadian counterterrorist operatives. In Mr. Khadr's case, his
admission of guilt doesn't repudiate his allegations of torture or Canadian complicity.
The Harper government has already paid $10-million to Maher Arar, admitting that Canadian
security agents falsely fingered him as a terrorist to U.S. authorities, who then sent him
to Syria where he was tortured. However, in that case, political blame could be assigned to
the previous Liberal government that was in office when Mr. Arar was apprehended.
By contrast, the Harper government has vigorously fought legal actions by both Mr.
Abdelrazik - who has never been charged with any crime - and Mr. Khadr. Canadian courts have
repeatedly ruled against the government. Yesterday a spokesman for Foreign Affairs Minister
Lawrence Cannon said the minister had no comment.
"In both those cases, the Harper government has done plenty of wrongs," said Amir Attaran, a
law professor at Ottawa University.
"What is clear is that the British government felt the claims were serious enough to pay out
large chunks of money," Prof. Attaran said.
Chom Noamksy
> The Harper government has already paid $10-million to Maher Arar, admitting that Canadian
> security agents falsely fingered him as a terrorist to U.S. authorities, who then sent him
> to Syria where he was tortured. However, in that case, political blame could be assigned to
> the previous Liberal government that was in office when Mr. Arar was apprehended.
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Let's see now - Harper government has paid the following 'compensations' since his taking
office (at least those we know about):
1. To Chinese who 'suffered a head tax' between 1885 and 1923: $20,000 apiece
2. Veterans who were exposed to use of 'Agent Orange' chemical by the U.S. in Gagetown, NB
between 1966 and 1967. $20.000 apiece, total: $96 Million. (Harper govt spent $8 Million
fighting the class action lawsuit).
3. The Canadian Jewish Congress - asked for compensation from the Harper government - not
for 'holocaust survivors' (there were likely only two Canadian-born holocaust survivors),
but for the DISCRIMINATION of Jews in Canada. The Harper government has replied by
funneling millions of dollars (85% of all "anti-hate" funding) to the synagogues, Jewish
schools and Jewish community groups.
4. Over 100,000 native indians in Canada who all became 'survivors of residential schools',
were offered $10,000 each - if they signed off on future claims. Almost all of them
rejected the offer and want $1 Million apiece - and no conditions against future claims.
5. Harper government now being sued by:
- one Arab group, and NGO, which had its funding cut because it was working on humanitarian
issues for Palestine. Amount being sued for: $797,000.
6. Abousfian Abdelrazik is suing the government – and Foreign Minister Lawrence Cannon
personally – for $27-million over Canada's role in his arrest and alleged torture in Sudan
and for violating his constitutional right to come home.
7. Friends of the Earth Canada is suing the Conservative government led by Prime Minister
Stephen Harper for following a strategy to reduce greenhouse gases that fails to meet
Canada's obligations under the Kyoto Protocol.
The lawsuit is the first in the world to seek enforcement of the protocol, an international
treaty ratified by 180 countries, including Canada.
8. (2008) Canada's Conservative government was sued by an independent watchdog group for
breaking a year-old law fixing the date of federal elections. Democracy Watch argued that
the early election call violates Canada's constitution, which it said includes the right to
fair elections, according to Canada's Supreme Court.
9. Aug. 9, 2008: Khadr’s Canadian lawyers Dennis Edney and Nate Whitling file a lawsuit
against Prime Minister Stephen Harper to try to force Harper to intervene in the case and
repatriate Khadr.
. . . . These are just SOME of the lawsuits, compensations, and retributions being paid by
the Harper government from THIS generation's tax dollars. He's actually garnering votes and
paying for them with OUR money. If that's not a 'conflict of interest' for those of us who
would never, ever vote for the guy and his cabal . .
The 'Maher Arar' case was an anomaly during the Liberal government - and it continued into
Harper's reign. But NO government of Canada has ever cost us so much through their racist
policies, their intransigence, their abuse or disregard of our laws and our Constitution.
These are not representatives of the majority of Canadians - and they have no right being
the reason for the misspending of so much of our tax coffers because of their purposeful
mishandling of the above issues.
WE NEED THEM OUT before we become so far in debt as a country, that it will take many, many
generations to bail us out.
Eric�
> Let's see now - Harper government has paid the following
'compensations' since his taking
> office (at least those we know about):
>
> 1. To Chinese who 'suffered a head tax' between 1885 and 1923: $20,000 apiece
>
> 2. Veterans who were exposed to use of 'Agent Orange' chemical by the U.S. in Gagetown, NB
> between 1966 and 1967. $20.000 apiece, total: $96 Million. (Harper govt spent $8 Million
> fighting the class action lawsuit).
>
> 3. The Canadian Jewish Congress - asked for compensation from the Harper government - not
> for 'holocaust survivors' (there were likely only two Canadian-born holocaust survivors),
> but for the DISCRIMINATION of Jews in Canada. The Harper government has replied by
> funneling millions of dollars (85% of all "anti-hate" funding) to the synagogues, Jewish
> schools and Jewish community groups.
>
> 4. Over 100,000 native indians in Canada who all became 'survivors of residential schools',
> were offered $10,000 each - if they signed off on future claims. Almost all of them
> rejected the offer and want $1 Million apiece - and no conditions against future claims.
>
> 5. Harper government now being sued by:
> - one Arab group, and NGO, which had its funding cut because it was working on humanitarian
> issues for Palestine. Amount being sued for: $797,000.
>
> 6. Abousfian Abdelrazik is suing the government ? and Foreign Minister Lawrence Cannon
> personally ? for $27-million over Canada's role in his arrest and alleged torture in Sudan
> and for violating his constitutional right to come home.
>
> 7. Friends of the Earth Canada is suing the Conservative government led by Prime Minister
> Stephen Harper for following a strategy to reduce greenhouse gases that fails to meet
> Canada's obligations under the Kyoto Protocol.
> The lawsuit is the first in the world to seek enforcement of the protocol, an international
> treaty ratified by 180 countries, including Canada.
>
> 8. (2008) Canada's Conservative government was sued by an independent watchdog group for
> breaking a year-old law fixing the date of federal elections. Democracy Watch argued that
> the early election call violates Canada's constitution, which it said includes the right to
> fair elections, according to Canada's Supreme Court.
>
> 9. Aug. 9, 2008: Khadr?s Canadian lawyers Dennis Edney and Nate Whitling file a lawsuit
> against Prime Minister Stephen Harper to try to force Harper to intervene in the case and
> repatriate Khadr.
>
> . . . . These are just SOME of the lawsuits, compensations, and retributions being paid by
> the Harper government from THIS generation's tax dollars. He's actually garnering votes and
> paying for them with OUR money. If that's not a 'conflict of interest' for those of us who
> would never, ever vote for the guy and his cabal . .
>
> The 'Maher Arar' case was an anomaly during the Liberal government - and it continued into
> Harper's reign. But NO government of Canada has ever cost us so much through their racist
> policies, their intransigence, their abuse or disregard of our laws and our Constitution.
>
> These are not representatives of the majority of Canadians - and they have no right being
> the reason for the misspending of so much of our tax coffers because of their purposeful
> mishandling of the above issues.
>
> WE NEED THEM OUT before we become so far in debt as a country, that it will take many, many
> generations to bail us out.
Nothing but a bunch of lies, half truths and innuendo from the bigot
Karen Gordon. But hey - her gang's all here - the dirty Asians, the
Jews, and the Injuns.
Take for example her point #4 above. The residential schools settlement
agreement was brought in by the Liberal government (not Harper) in 2005
after years of work. Only a few hundred chose to opt out by the
deadline. This is a perfect example of how Karen piles on the lies,
hoping people won't notice - or that something she invents might even
stick. And for good measure she insists on crossposting her messages
all over the place so as many people as possible can see what a tiresome
piece of crap she is.
C-O-A-L-I-T-I-O-N
>> product of vengeance by recent Sikh immigrants to Canada against Hindu immigrants to
>> Canada.
>> . . . . These are just SOME of the lawsuits, compensations, and retributions being paid
>> by
>> the Harper government from THIS generation's tax dollars. He's actually garnering votes
>> and
>> paying for them with OUR money. If that's not a 'conflict of interest' for those of us
>> who
>> would never, ever vote for the guy and his cabal . .
>>
>> The 'Maher Arar' case was an anomaly during the Liberal government - and it continued
>> into
>> Harper's reign. But NO government of Canada has ever cost us so much through their
>> racist
>> policies, their intransigence, their abuse or disregard of our laws and our Constitution.
>>
>> These are not representatives of the majority of Canadians - and they have no right being
>> the reason for the misspending of so much of our tax coffers because of their purposeful
>> mishandling of the above issues.
>>
>> WE NEED THEM OUT before we become so far in debt as a country, that it will take many,
>> many
>> generations to bail us out.
"Eric Schild" <er...@hardknocks.edu> wrote in message
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> Nothing but a bunch of lies, half truths and innuendo from the bigot
> Karen Gordon. But hey - her gang's all here - the dirty Asians, the
> Jews, and the Injuns.
All of the above payouts and compensations are easily looked up on the internet. If you
weren't such a lazy, stupid little man, you'd know that.
And your disgust with "dirty Asians, the Jews and the injuns" just proves your racism and,
frankly, vile personality.
Eric®
>
> "Eric Schild" <er...@hardknocks.edu> wrote in message
> news:MPG.2754946d3...@news.eternal-september.org...
> > Nothing but a bunch of lies, half truths and innuendo from the bigot
> > Karen Gordon. But hey - her gang's all here - the dirty Asians, the
> > Jews, and the Injuns.
>
> All of the above payouts and compensations are easily looked up on the internet. If you
> weren't such a lazy, stupid little man, you'd know that.
Oooh! Karen Gordon just oozes anger and bitterness these days.
> And your disgust with "dirty Asians, the Jews and the injuns" just proves your racism and,
> frankly, vile personality.
You snipped my point, thus admitting that you lied.
Chom Noamksy
> C-O-A-L-I-T-I-O-N wrote...
>>
>> "Eric Schild"<er...@hardknocks.edu> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.2754946d3...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Nothing but a bunch of lies, half truths and innuendo from the bigot
>>> Karen Gordon. But hey - her gang's all here - the dirty Asians, the
>>> Jews, and the Injuns.
>>
>> All of the above payouts and compensations are easily looked up on the internet. If you
>> weren't such a lazy, stupid little man, you'd know that.
>
> Oooh! Karen Gordon just oozes anger and bitterness these days.
Almost all of the payouts were for events that happened under the
Liberal government.
>> And your disgust with "dirty Asians, the Jews and the injuns" just proves your racism and,
>> frankly, vile personality.
>
> You snipped my point, thus admitting that you lied.
The old Karen Shmorgon often had a mirthful tone in her posts. It seems
to be gone now, just pure curmudgeon. I used to be more sympathetic to
the Liberal Party but sadly its character and nature has become so much
like Karen's... yeee-uck.
C-O-A-L-I-T-I-O-N
> The old Karen Shmorgon often had a mirthful tone in her posts. It seems to be gone now,
> just pure curmudgeon. I used to be more sympathetic to the Liberal Party but sadly its
> character and nature has become so much like Karen's... yeee-uck.
I think she's an NDP supporter, dumbbell. And I think she still laughs quite a bit - at
you.
Roy
> "Chom Noamksy" <blahb...@blahblah.blah> wrote in message
==
Is it true that "Karen" is a charwoman who relies on using corporate
computers left "on line" for her contributions to this forum?
==
Eric�
>
> On 11/23/2010 3:41 PM, Ericￜ wrote:
> > C-O-A-L-I-T-I-O-N wrote...
> >>
> >> "Eric Schild"<er...@hardknocks.edu> wrote in message
> >> news:MPG.2754946d3...@news.eternal-september.org...
> >>> Nothing but a bunch of lies, half truths and innuendo from the bigot
> >>> Karen Gordon. But hey - her gang's all here - the dirty Asians, the
> >>> Jews, and the Injuns.
> >>
> >> All of the above payouts and compensations are easily looked up on the internet. If you
> >> weren't such a lazy, stupid little man, you'd know that.
> >
> > Oooh! Karen Gordon just oozes anger and bitterness these days.
>
> Almost all of the payouts were for events that happened under the
> Liberal government.
Right. The plan was first introduced in 1998 iirc, and finalized in
2005, under Liberal governments all the way. Karen would have people
believe that up to 100,000 natives will be suing for $1 million each,
which would add up to something approaching 100 billion dollars. She
appears to have lost her marbles, as the opt-out period ended 4 years
ago, with only a few people choosing to go that route.
> >> And your disgust with "dirty Asians, the Jews and the injuns" just proves your racism and,
> >> frankly, vile personality.
> >
> > You snipped my point, thus admitting that you lied.
>
> The old Karen Shmorgon often had a mirthful tone in her posts. It seems
> to be gone now, just pure curmudgeon. I used to be more sympathetic to
> the Liberal Party but sadly its character and nature has become so much
> like Karen's... yeee-uck.
Karen's also become almost completely irrational in what she posts.
Eric®
>
> Eric® wrote:
>
> > Chom Noamksy wrote...
> >> The old Karen Shmorgon often had a mirthful tone in her posts.
> >> It seems to be gone now, just pure curmudgeon. I used to be more
> >> sympathetic to the Liberal Party but sadly its character and
> >> nature has become so much like Karen's... yeee-uck.
> >
> > Karen's also become almost completely irrational in what she
> > posts.
> >
>
Point taken. She can't even remember her name anymore ...
C-O-A-L-I-T-I-O-N
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>> Almost all of the payouts were for events that happened under the
>> Liberal government.
Idiot. The Chinese head tax had nothing to do with "the Liberal government". Nor did
;'Jews being discriminated against in Canada'. Nor did 'residential schools for natives'.
Nor did the Air India bombing.
The point is: the HARPER GOVERNMENT has decided to compensate the long list of groups I
posted during HIS term in office, using this single generation as the payors of all those
compensations. Why? What the hell does he think he's doing with OUR money during a time of
huge economic uncertainty and debt?
"The Liberal government" has NOTHING to do with these massive payments. It's all Harper &
Co signing the cheques. And yes, the natives turned down the $10,000 offer and are holding
out for $1 million apiece. Look it up before you call someone else a liar. YOU'RE the one
who's ignorant on the facts.
C-O-A-L-I-T-I-O-N
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Ah, the little gang of boys support each other to fight a girl. Rough, tough, cream puffs.
Eric�
>
> "Ericￜ" <er...@hardknocks.edu> wrote in message
> >> Almost all of the payouts were for events that happened under the
> >> Liberal government.
>
> Idiot. The Chinese head tax had nothing to do with "the Liberal government". Nor did
> ;'Jews being discriminated against in Canada'. Nor did 'residential schools for natives'.
You're replying to the wrong poster, o brain-dead one.
Chom Noamksy
Hysterical. You just admitted Harper doesn't have anything to do with
the 'actions' that led to these payouts.
Karen Shmorgon, the problem with making wild, casual, unfounded
assertions like you do is that the audience is nowhere near as gullible
as you.
Chom Noamksy
That's only fair, considering nearly the entire can.politics community
laughs at you.
C-O-A-L-I-T-I-O-N
> That's only fair, considering nearly the entire can.politics community laughs at you.
See? That's what I mean by a 'fragile ego'. You need to feel that 'everyone else is on
your side' whenever you encounter an issue in which you know you've fallen on your face.
Got news for you Dumbransky - there is no limit on the number of stupid people that might
support another stupid person in these newsgroups.
That's because all sorts of things come into play:
- how many other males may also have fragile egos when they think they're debating with a
female who seems to know more than they do
- how many posting to these newsgroups are males and find the primal need for support when
things get uncomfortable
- how many you think may be influenced by statements like "the entire can.politics
community" when there is no such community - just individuals with differing views and
beliefs
Your fragile ego NEEDS other like-minded males to defend your postings and come to your
rescue when you've been landed on your ass. Likewise for those other like-minded males with
fragile egos. It's known as "pack bonding" or "pack hunting". Used by smaller animals to
be able to take down larger ones.
In these newsgroups, it's used by a small group of small people to tackle a more powerful
adversary. Let's call them the "little ego pack" in future, shall we?
Chom Noamksy
Collective opinion is how this country elects leaders and chooses
governments. I'm simply observing that the collective opinion of
can.politics is generally that Karen Shmorgon lies a lot. How many
times have people caught you telling outright lies? And when you do get
caught you think you can save face with obtuseness and bombast and denial.
About time for another identity shift, eh Karen?
Eric®
It's astounding really. She just keeps lying blatantly, in the face of
all facts.
Eric®
Smell ain't everything.
C-O-A-L-I-T-I-O-N
>> news:r5adnREw0cfPv23R...@giganews.com...
>> > That's only fair, considering nearly the entire can.politics community laughs at you.
> C-O-A-L-I-T-I-O-N wrote...
>> See? That's what I mean by a 'fragile ego'. You need to feel that 'everyone else is on
>> your side' whenever you encounter an issue in which you know you've fallen on your face.
>> Got news for you Dumbransky - there is no limit on the number of stupid people that might
>> support another stupid person in these newsgroups.
>>
>> That's because all sorts of things come into play:
>>
>> - how many other males may also have fragile egos when they think they're debating with a
>> female who seems to know more than they do
>>
>> - how many posting to these newsgroups are males and find the primal need for support
>> when
>> things get uncomfortable
>>
>> - how many you think may be influenced by statements like "the entire can.politics
>> community" when there is no such community - just individuals with differing views and
>> beliefs
>>
>> Your fragile ego NEEDS other like-minded males to defend your postings and come to your
>> rescue when you've been landed on your ass. Likewise for those other like-minded males
>> with
>> fragile egos. It's known as "pack bonding" or "pack hunting". Used by smaller animals
>> to
>> be able to take down larger ones.
>>
>> In these newsgroups, it's used by a small group of small people to tackle a more powerful
>> adversary.
"Eric�" <er...@hardknocks.edu> wrote in message
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> Smell ain't everything.
See what I mean? Another member of the "little ego pack" just surfaced. It's a PRIMAL
thing, I tell you.
Chom Noamksy
Playing the gender/ego card just shows how unhinged you've become.
Neither penny nor Stella nor Heidi ever stooped to such a feeble excuse....
C-O-A-L-I-T-I-O-N
>> news:r5adnREw0cfPv23R...@giganews.com...
>> > That's only fair, considering nearly the entire can.politics community laughs at you.
> C-O-A-L-I-T-I-O-N wrote...
>> See? That's what I mean by a 'fragile ego'. You need to feel that 'everyone else is on
>> your side' whenever you encounter an issue in which you know you've fallen on your face.
>> Got news for you Dumbransky - there is no limit on the number of stupid people that might
>> support another stupid person in these newsgroups.
>>
>> That's because all sorts of things come into play:
>>
>> - how many other males may also have fragile egos when they think they're debating with a
>> female who seems to know more than they do
>>
>> - how many posting to these newsgroups are males and find the primal need for support
>> when
>> things get uncomfortable
>>
>> - how many you think may be influenced by statements like "the entire can.politics
>> community" when there is no such community - just individuals with differing views and
>> beliefs
>>
>> Your fragile ego NEEDS other like-minded males to defend your postings and come to your
>> rescue when you've been landed on your ass. Likewise for those other like-minded males
>> with
>> fragile egos. It's known as "pack bonding" or "pack hunting". Used by smaller animals
>> to
>> be able to take down larger ones.
>>
>> In these newsgroups, it's used by a small group of small people to tackle a more powerful
>> adversary.
"EricŽ" <er...@hardknocks.edu> wrote in message
Eric®
>
> >> "Chom Noamksy" <blah...@blahblah.blah> wrote in message
> >> news:r5adnREw0cfPv23R...@giganews.com...
> >> > That's only fair, considering nearly the entire can.politics community laughs at you.
>
> > C-O-A-L-I-T-I-O-N wrote...
tackle a more powerful
> >> adversary.
>
> "Eric®" <er...@hardknocks.edu> wrote in message
> news:MPG.2759d788f...@news.eternal-september.org...
> > Smell ain't everything.
>
>
> See what I mean? Another member of the "little ego pack" just surfaced. It's a PRIMAL
> thing, I tell you.
Quit whining Karen. *Yeesh* what a crybaby!
C-O-A-L-I-T-I-O-N
>> news:r5adnREw0cfPv23R...@giganews.com...
>> > That's only fair, considering nearly the entire can.politics community laughs at you.
> C-O-A-L-I-T-I-O-N wrote...
>> See? That's what I mean by a 'fragile ego'. You need to feel that 'everyone else is on
>> your side' whenever you encounter an issue in which you know you've fallen on your face.
>> Got news for you Dumbransky - there is no limit on the number of stupid people that might
>> support another stupid person in these newsgroups.
>>
>> That's because all sorts of things come into play:
>>
>> - how many other males may also have fragile egos when they think they're debating with a
>> female who seems to know more than they do
>>
>> - how many posting to these newsgroups are males and find the primal need for support
>> when
>> things get uncomfortable
>>
>> - how many you think may be influenced by statements like "the entire can.politics
>> community" when there is no such community - just individuals with differing views and
>> beliefs
>>
>> Your fragile ego NEEDS other like-minded males to defend your postings and come to your
>> rescue when you've been landed on your ass. Likewise for those other like-minded males
>> with
>> fragile egos. It's known as "pack bonding" or "pack hunting". Used by smaller animals
>> to
>> be able to take down larger ones.
>>
>> In these newsgroups, it's used by a small group of small people to tackle a more powerful
>> adversary.
"EricŽ" <er...@hardknocks.edu> wrote in message
Eric�
>
> "Ericￜ" <er...@hardknocks.edu> wrote in message
I thought you weren't a girl anymore.
C-O-A-L-I-T-I-O-N
> Chom Noamksy wrote...
>> Hysterical. You just admitted Harper doesn't have anything to do with
>> the 'actions' that led to these payouts.
>>
>> Karen Shmorgon, the problem with making wild, casual, unfounded
>> assertions like you do is that the audience is nowhere near as gullible
>> as you.
"Eric Schild" <er...@hardknocks.edu> wrote in message
news:MPG.2759d73e5...@news.eternal-september.org...
> It's astounding really. She just keeps lying blatantly, in the face of
> all facts.
Ah, Dumbransky's pal in the "little ego pack". Do you suppose Dumbransky would fall over
without your support, Schild?
C-O-A-L-I-T-I-O-N
>> news:MPG.27561e235...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> Almost all of the payouts were for events that happened under the
>>>> Liberal government.
C-O-A-L-I-T-I-O-N wrote:
> Idiot. The Chinese head tax had nothing to do with "the Liberal government". Nor did
>> ;'Jews being discriminated against in Canada'. Nor did 'residential schools for
>> natives'.
>> Nor did the Air India bombing.
>>
>> The point is: the HARPER GOVERNMENT has decided to compensate the long list of groups I
>> posted during HIS term in office, using this single generation as the payors of all those
>> compensations. Why? What the hell does he think he's doing with OUR money during a time
>> of
>> huge economic uncertainty and debt?
>>
>> "The Liberal government" has NOTHING to do with these massive payments. It's all Harper
>> &
>> Co signing the cheques. And yes, the natives turned down the $10,000 offer and are
>> holding
>> out for $1 million apiece. Look it up before you call someone else a liar. YOU'RE the
>> one
>> who's ignorant on the facts.
"Chom Noamksy" <blah...@blahblah.blah> wrote in message
news:3bGdnTs2fepwgm3R...@giganews.com...
> Hysterical. You just admitted Harper doesn't have anything to do with the 'actions' that
> led to these payouts.
Hey stoopid - I'm asking why HARPER has decided to be the Prime Minister to pay compensation
for wrongs or perceived wrongs that occurred up to a hundred and fifty years back - from
THIS generation and in a single government term - HIS.
Do you have an answer for this or are you still going to play at the 'blame the Liberals for
everything' game?
Hint: the Prime Minister of Canada when Air India was bombed was NOT a Liberal.
Chom Noamksy
You got called out for bullshitting again, Karen Shmorgon. That's all.
Now you're defending yourself by playing the sexism card. That's kind
of like shouting, "Why, yes, I really am an inferior female."
Have some dignity for yourself, woman.
C-O-A-L-I-T-I-O-N
>> news:r5adnREw0cfPv23R...@giganews.com...
>> > That's only fair, considering nearly the entire can.politics community laughs at you.
> C-O-A-L-I-T-I-O-N wrote...
>> See? That's what I mean by a 'fragile ego'. You need to feel that 'everyone else is on
>> your side' whenever you encounter an issue in which you know you've fallen on your face.
>> Got news for you Dumbransky - there is no limit on the number of stupid people that might
>> support another stupid person in these newsgroups.
>>
>> That's because all sorts of things come into play:
>>
>> - how many other males may also have fragile egos when they think they're debating with a
>> female who seems to know more than they do
>>
>> - how many posting to these newsgroups are males and find the primal need for support
>> when
>> things get uncomfortable
>>
>> - how many you think may be influenced by statements like "the entire can.politics
>> community" when there is no such community - just individuals with differing views and
>> beliefs
>>
>> Your fragile ego NEEDS other like-minded males to defend your postings and come to your
>> rescue when you've been landed on your ass. Likewise for those other like-minded males
>> with
>> fragile egos. It's known as "pack bonding" or "pack hunting". Used by smaller animals
>> to
>> be able to take down larger ones.
>>
>> In these newsgroups, it's used by a small group of small people to tackle a more powerful
>> adversary.
"EricŽ" <er...@hardknocks.edu> wrote in message
Dave Smith
>
>
> You got called out for bullshitting again, Karen Shmorgon. That's all.
> Now you're defending yourself by playing the sexism card. That's kind of
> like shouting, "Why, yes, I really am an inferior female."
>
> Have some dignity for yourself, woman.
She has no dignity. She insulted me and then when someone else
defended me and pointed at that she was the dummy she complained about
the ad hominem.
C-O-A-L-I-T-I-O-N
>> news:r5adnREw0cfPv23R...@giganews.com...
>> > That's only fair, considering nearly the entire can.politics community laughs at you.
> C-O-A-L-I-T-I-O-N wrote...
>> See? That's what I mean by a 'fragile ego'. You need to feel that 'everyone else is on
>> your side' whenever you encounter an issue in which you know you've fallen on your face.
>> Got news for you Dumbransky - there is no limit on the number of stupid people that might
>> support another stupid person in these newsgroups.
>>
>> That's because all sorts of things come into play:
>>
>> - how many other males may also have fragile egos when they think they're debating with a
>> female who seems to know more than they do
>>
>> - how many posting to these newsgroups are males and find the primal need for support
>> when
>> things get uncomfortable
>>
>> - how many you think may be influenced by statements like "the entire can.politics
>> community" when there is no such community - just individuals with differing views and
>> beliefs
>>
>> Your fragile ego NEEDS other like-minded males to defend your postings and come to your
>> rescue when you've been landed on your ass. Likewise for those other like-minded males
>> with
>> fragile egos. It's known as "pack bonding" or "pack hunting". Used by smaller animals
>> to
>> be able to take down larger ones.
>>
>> In these newsgroups, it's used by a small group of small people to tackle a more powerful
>> adversary.
"EricŽ" <er...@hardknocks.edu> wrote in message
Chom Noamksy
Well, I do have the subject of the discussion:
"How much will Canadians have to pay Khadr for Harper's actions?"
Evidently, nothing, because by your own admission they are not Harper's
actions.
Now for the punch line: You claim Harper's a bad guy because his gov't
appealed the court ruling that found the government (the Liberal
government) violated Khadr's rights. If the appeal had succeeded then
Canada would not be liable and therefore be off the hook for any
possible future payouts! That appeal failed and now you're bitching
about how much money the Harper government might have to pay Khadr.
You're slinging the shit fast and furious and ain't none of sticking,
sweetie.
C-O-A-L-I-T-I-O-N
> Chom Noamksy wrote...
>> Hysterical. You just admitted Harper doesn't have anything to do with
>> the 'actions' that led to these payouts.
>>
>> Karen Shmorgon, the problem with making wild, casual, unfounded
>> assertions like you do is that the audience is nowhere near as gullible
>> as you.
"Eric Schild" <er...@hardknocks.edu> wrote in message
news:MPG.2759d73e5...@news.eternal-september.org...
> It's astounding really. She just keeps lying blatantly, in the face of
> all facts.
Ah, Dumbransky's pal in the "little ego pack". Do you suppose Dumbransky would fall over
without your support, Schild?
Chom Noamksy
> "EricŽ"<er...@hardknocks.edu> wrote in message
> news:MPG.275621fe2...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Nobody wrote...
>>>
>>> EricŽ wrote:
>>>
>>>> Chom Noamksy wrote...
>>>>> The old Karen Shmorgon often had a mirthful tone in her posts.
>>>>> It seems to be gone now, just pure curmudgeon. I used to be more
>>>>> sympathetic to the Liberal Party but sadly its character and
>>>>> nature has become so much like Karen's... yeee-uck.
>>>>
>>>> Karen's also become almost completely irrational in what she
>>>> posts.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Almost??
>>
>> Point taken. She can't even remember her name anymore ...
>
> Ah, the little gang of boys support each other to fight a girl. Rough, tough, cream puffs.
Ah, Karen Shmorgon is going for the "little woman" defense. A feminist
with an ounce of dignity would never stoop that low.
C-O-A-L-I-T-I-O-N
>> news:r5adnREw0cfPv23R...@giganews.com...
>> > That's only fair, considering nearly the entire can.politics community laughs at you.
> C-O-A-L-I-T-I-O-N wrote...
>> See? That's what I mean by a 'fragile ego'. You need to feel that 'everyone else is on
>> your side' whenever you encounter an issue in which you know you've fallen on your face.
>> Got news for you Dumbransky - there is no limit on the number of stupid people that might
>> support another stupid person in these newsgroups.
>>
>> That's because all sorts of things come into play:
>>
>> - how many other males may also have fragile egos when they think they're debating with a
>> female who seems to know more than they do
>>
>> - how many posting to these newsgroups are males and find the primal need for support
>> when
>> things get uncomfortable
>>
>> - how many you think may be influenced by statements like "the entire can.politics
>> community" when there is no such community - just individuals with differing views and
>> beliefs
>>
>> Your fragile ego NEEDS other like-minded males to defend your postings and come to your
>> rescue when you've been landed on your ass. Likewise for those other like-minded males
>> with
>> fragile egos. It's known as "pack bonding" or "pack hunting". Used by smaller animals
>> to
>> be able to take down larger ones.
>>
>> In these newsgroups, it's used by a small group of small people to tackle a more powerful
>> adversary.
"EricŽ" <er...@hardknocks.edu> wrote in message
C-O-A-L-I-T-I-O-N
> Chom Noamksy wrote...
>> Hysterical. You just admitted Harper doesn't have anything to do with
>> the 'actions' that led to these payouts.
>>
>> Karen Shmorgon, the problem with making wild, casual, unfounded
>> assertions like you do is that the audience is nowhere near as gullible
>> as you.
"Eric Schild" <er...@hardknocks.edu> wrote in message
news:MPG.2759d73e5...@news.eternal-september.org...
> It's astounding really. She just keeps lying blatantly, in the face of
> all facts.
Ah, Dumbransky's pal in the "little ego pack". Do you suppose Dumbransky would fall over
without your support, Schild?
C-O-A-L-I-T-I-O-N
> Playing the gender/ego card just shows how unhinged you've become.
>
> Neither penny nor Stella nor Heidi ever stooped to such a feeble excuse....
I know that you prefer playing with the 'gentle girls'. Makes your fragile ego seem a
little bit less fragile.
Chom Noamksy
Does that make you a 'rough girl'? Nobody even knows if you are a
female... you could be "role-playing" for all anyone knows.
Eric�
> "Chom Noamksy" <blah...@blahblah.blah> wrote in message
> news:3bGdnTs2fepwgm3R...@giganews.com...
> > Hysterical. You just admitted Harper doesn't have anything to do with the 'actions' that
> > led to these payouts.
>
> Hey stoopid - I'm asking why HARPER has decided to be the Prime Minister to pay compensation
> for wrongs or perceived wrongs that occurred up to a hundred and fifty years back - from
> THIS generation and in a single government term - HIS.
>
> Do you have an answer for this or are you still going to play at the 'blame the Liberals for
> everything' game?
> Hint: the Prime Minister of Canada when Air India was bombed was NOT a Liberal.
Why would anyone want to answer your 'question' when the premises it's
based on are lies?
Why don't you try to find even one settlement where the NDP or Liberals
voted against it?
Eric®
Why can't you stop lying?
Eric®
Why not just post your articles once - the way everyone else does?
C-O-A-L-I-T-I-O-N
>> news:MPG.27561e235...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> Almost all of the payouts were for events that happened under the
>>>> Liberal government.
C-O-A-L-I-T-I-O-N wrote:
> Idiot. The Chinese head tax had nothing to do with "the Liberal government". Nor did
>> ;'Jews being discriminated against in Canada'. Nor did 'residential schools for
>> natives'.
>> Nor did the Air India bombing.
>>
>> The point is: the HARPER GOVERNMENT has decided to compensate the long list of groups I
>> posted during HIS term in office, using this single generation as the payors of all those
>> compensations. Why? What the hell does he think he's doing with OUR money during a time
>> of
>> huge economic uncertainty and debt?
>>
>> "The Liberal government" has NOTHING to do with these massive payments. It's all Harper
>> &
>> Co signing the cheques. And yes, the natives turned down the $10,000 offer and are
>> holding
>> out for $1 million apiece. Look it up before you call someone else a liar. YOU'RE the
>> one
>> who's ignorant on the facts.
"Chom Noamksy" <blah...@blahblah.blah> wrote in message
news:3bGdnTs2fepwgm3R...@giganews.com...
> Hysterical. You just admitted Harper doesn't have anything to do with the 'actions' that
> led to these payouts.
Hey stoopid - I'm asking why HARPER has decided to be the Prime Minister to pay compensation
C-O-A-L-I-T-I-O-N
>> See what I mean? Another member of the "little ego pack" just surfaced. It's a PRIMAL
>> thing, I tell you.
"EricSchild" <er...@hardknocks.edu> wrote in message
news:MPG.2759e06d3...@news.eternal-september.org...
> Quit whining Karen. *Yeesh* what a crybaby!
Don't you wish.
PS: Do you share one leg with Dumbransky and the other one with 'Dave Smith' ? What
happens when you have to go to the toilet?
Chom Noamksy
Stand in front of the urinal. Aim. Drain.
Just like you.
Eric®
Seek help, Karen.
ŁĆ§RĐÄ$$Š
> Playing the gender/ego card just shows how unhinged you've become.
>
> Neither penny nor Stella nor Heidi ever stooped to such a feeble excuse....
What kills me is how all Karen needs to do is to be involved in a
conversation here and everyone else goes "kooky" on Karen, the discussion
becomes about Karen Gordon and not the topic.
All we need now is her IP address and Buster Norris posting it, in a lame
attempt to seize the moment and intimidate because he doesn't like the topic
at hand.
And you talk about people becoming unhinged. Buy a mirror.
C-O-A-L-I-T-I-O-N
"Dave Smith" <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:IKXHo.58408$JL2....@unlimited.newshosting.com...
> She has no dignity. She insulted me and then when someone else defended me and pointed at
> that she was the dummy she complained about the ad hominem.
See what I mean? Third member of "little ego pack" now talking about "she" with the boys.
What a bunch of weinies.
C-O-A-L-I-T-I-O-N
"Dave Smith" <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:IKXHo.58408$JL2....@unlimited.newshosting.com...
> that she was the dummy she complained about the ad hominem.
See what I mean? Third member of "little ego pack" now talking about "she" with the boys.
Chom Noamksy
I'm sure you can come up with all kinds of cute labels for people who
like to deal in facts.
Pal Gimoz
> "Dave Smith" <adavid.sm...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
Whine whine whine. That's all they do, and so do you.
But if you are into a massively wealthy Progressive Conservative
Rhodes Scholar like Danny Williams instead of a "ground level" Rhodes
Scholar like Jack Layton, who cares?
They both went to Oxford! At least John Cleese (real name John
Cheese) went to Cambridge!
Pal Gimoz
Cleese was born in Weston-super-Mare, Somerset, the only child of
Muriel (née Cross), an acrobat, and Reginald Francis Cleese (b. 1894),
who worked in insurance sales. His family's surname was previously
"Cheese", but his father changed it to "Cleese" in 1915, upon joining
the Army.
C-O-A-L-I-T-I-O-N
"Dave Smith" <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:IKXHo.58408$JL2....@unlimited.newshosting.com...
> She has no dignity. She insulted me and then when someone else defended me and pointed at
> that she was the dummy she complained about the ad hominem.
See what I mean? Third member of "little ego pack" now talking about "she" with the boys.
C-O-A-L-I-T-I-O-N
> You got called out for bullshitting again, Karen Shmorgon. That's all. Now you're
> defending yourself by playing the sexism card. That's kind of like shouting, "Why, yes, I
> really am an inferior female."
Actually, more like it takes 3 little males to join forces to TRY to win an argument with
one smart female.
> Have some dignity for yourself, woman.
That's YOUR problem, Dumbransky. No balls. Need buddies.
Chom Noamksy
> news:G-mdnS5yoaiX2m3R...@giganews.com...
>> You got called out for bullshitting again, Karen Shmorgon. That's all. Now you're
>> defending yourself by playing the sexism card. That's kind of like shouting, "Why, yes, I
>> really am an inferior female."
>
> Actually, more like it takes 3 little males to join forces to TRY to win an argument with
> one smart female.
But you lost the argument, badly. I guess you're not the smart female
you're referring to.
>
>> Have some dignity for yourself, woman.
>
> That's YOUR problem, Dumbransky. No balls. Need buddies.
All I need are facts. Facts are like Holy Water to Karen Shmorgon,
facts make her skin smoke, her head spin around and her mouth projectile
vomit green stuff that looks like pea soup.
C-O-A-L-I-T-I-O-N
> "How much will Canadians have to pay Khadr for Harper's actions?"
>
> Evidently, nothing, because by your own admission they are not Harper's actions.
Wrong again, Dumbransky.
Dave Smith
>> She has no dignity. She insulted me and then when someone else defended me and pointed at
>> that she was the dummy she complained about the ad hominem.
>
> See what I mean? Third member of "little ego pack" now talking about "she" with the boys.
> What a bunch of weinies.
>
>
No, I don't see what you mean. You started with the ad hominem, calling
me stupid, but when someone else pointed out that you were wrong and
therefore you were the stupid one, you complained about the ad hominem.