Santa Cruz Diner on Food Networks
Jeff Liebermann
be on TV's Food Networks on Nov 9, 10, and 20th.
<http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/shows/episode/0,1000011,FOOD_32078_65929,00.html>
I was there when they were filming, but I'm probably not in the show.
(Too ugly or not weird enough for TV).
[1]
<http://groups.google.com/group/ba.food/browse_thread/thread/d8692ab13c19801b/>
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Keith Keller
On 2009-10-31, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
> The Santa Cruz Diner, the one that Geoff Miller doesn't like[1], will
> be on TV's Food Networks on Nov 9, 10, and 20th.
><http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/shows/episode/0,1000011,FOOD_32078_65929,00.html>
> I was there when they were filming, but I'm probably not in the show.
> (Too ugly or not weird enough for TV).
Is Guy Fieri really as goofy in real life as he is depicted on the show?
It seems like someone that goofy shouldn't be permitted to cook, but
he's always shown preparing some dish at the restaurant.
--keith
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Jeff Liebermann
<kkeller...@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> wrote:
>["Followup-To:" header set to ba.food.]
>On 2009-10-31, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
>> The Santa Cruz Diner, the one that Geoff Miller doesn't like[1], will
>> be on TV's Food Networks on Nov 9, 10, and 20th.
>><http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/shows/episode/0,1000011,FOOD_32078_65929,00.html>
>> I was there when they were filming, but I'm probably not in the show.
>> (Too ugly or not weird enough for TV).
>Is Guy Fieri really as goofy in real life as he is depicted on the show?
I have no idea. I didn't see him during the filming. He might have
been hiding in the kitchen. There was a distinguished looking, white
haired producer running around with camera, sound, and one other
person. That's a tight squeeze in the kitchen. The filming went on
for 2 or 3 days, mostly during the day. When I arrived, the camera
crew was marching up and down the isles filming anyone that looked
interesting and getting autographed photo releases. The next day, the
crew was eating dinner in one corner, while I was drooling at the
$12,000 Canon XL H1 HD camcorder on a nearby table. No Guy Fieri
anywhere in sight either day. Hours of filming for maybe 10 minutes
of viewing.
>It seems like someone that goofy shouldn't be permitted to cook, but
>he's always shown preparing some dish at the restaurant.
Well, he co-owns five restaurants, so I guess he might be qualified.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fieri>
As I mumbled, you have to be rather strange looking to make it on TV.
Normal looking "personalities" don't seem to attract enough attention
(or criticism) to sell well.
I haven't seen any previews of the show, so I guess we'll all find out
at the same time.
Incidentally, the owner of SCZ Diner assured me that he didn't invite
the Food Network people. They called him asking permission to film
his establishment. That's not quite what I expected.
<http://www.santacruzdiner.com>
Jeff Liebermann
wrote:
>If they're working off of taking public opinion, I'm surprised
>Zachary's wasn't The Chosen One.
>-sw
They weren't. The show was about traditional diners. "Diners Times
Three" says the web pile:
<http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/shows/episode/0,1000011,FOOD_32078_65929,00.html>
It's the ambience, not the food. Zachary's isn't a traditional diner
so it doesn't qualify. Be thankful they didn't include Dennys, Lyons
or Jeffreys. In case you haven't noticed, such diners and family
restaurants are becoming rather scarce.
>> I was there when they were filming, but I'm probably not in the show.
>> (Too ugly or not weird enough for TV).
>You were probably too busy trying to fart around with their
>equipment.
Nope. I was trying to figure out how to steal it. Unfortunately, I
was with a friend who convinced me that it would be rather rude to
steal the camera during dinner.
>All hose wires and cameras must have driven you nuts not
>being able to touch or even "inspect" them.
No cable hoses, wire spaghetti, or cord octopus. Things have changed
since the days when that stuff was needed. Today, it's ambient light
photography and very portable cameras. I did get to play with a
similar camera (Canon XL2 non-HD) once and was suitably impressed.
<http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ProductCatIndexAct&fcategoryid=172>
Tim
> On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:45:22 -0600, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost>
> wrote:
>
> >If they're working off of taking public opinion, I'm surprised
> >Zachary's wasn't The Chosen One.
> >-sw
>
> They weren't. The show was about traditional diners. "Diners Times
> Three" says the web pile:
> It's the ambience, not the food. Zachary's isn't a traditional diner
> so it doesn't qualify. Be thankful they didn't include Dennys, Lyons
> or Jeffreys. In case you haven't noticed, such diners and family
> restaurants are becoming rather scarce.
Thanks to the PC crowd, that location stopped serving good food that
people like us could eat.
All due to the niggardly reviews given to Sambo's, which then became
some other PC-friendly place (possibly Golden Corral, possibly Spoons,
something like that), then Santa Cruz Diner.
--Tim May
Jeff Liebermann
wrote:
>Thanks to the PC crowd, that location stopped serving good food that
>people like us could eat.
>
>All due to the niggardly reviews given to Sambo's, which then became
>some other PC-friendly place (possibly Golden Corral, possibly Spoons,
>something like that), then Santa Cruz Diner.
>
>--Tim May
Santa Cruz Diner was previous some other restaurant (forgot the name),
which lasted only a few months. Santa Cruz Diner opened in 1998.
Before that, it was Golden West Pancakes. I even wrote a poem about
the place:
<http://www.LearnByDestroying.com/poetry/grease.htm>
Sambo's was furthur up Ocean St towards the fishhook. It morphed into
Bakers Square perhaps 9 years ago. Bakers Square folded about 3 years
ago and is now a large dental office (Western Dental Center). I'm not
sure of the dates. Anyway, it's a different location from SCZ Diner.
Speaking of policitally correct, Denny's was once the worst in that
category. A $54.4 million settlement changed their tune:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denny%27s#Racial_discrimination_lawsuits>
I was hoping it would also improve their food and service, but
apparently not.
Todd Michel McComb
Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
>I was hoping it would also improve their food and service, but
>apparently not.
Bad food & service are protected rights of Americans.
Peter Lawrence
>
> Speaking of policitally correct, Denny's was once the worst in that
> category. A $54.4 million settlement changed their tune:
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denny%27s#Racial_discrimination_lawsuits>
> I was hoping it would also improve their food and service, but
> apparently not.
I've found in my travels that the quality of Denny's varies greatly. While
their service has in most parts been at least adequate, and sometimes even
quite good, their food has varied from pretty bad to sometimes even excellent.
As an example, the short-order cook that worked the graveyard, early morning
shift at the old Denny's in Scotts Valley back in the early '90's made some
of the best omelets I've ever had -- nice, light, fluffy, and tasty. No
other Denny's has come even close. But there have been quite a few Denny's
I've been to that have been quite serviceable in regards to the quality of
the dishes, while others were best to avoid at all costs.
- Peter
Tim
>
> Speaking of policitally correct, Denny's was once the worst in that
> category. A $54.4 million settlement changed their tune:
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denny%27s#Racial_discrimination_lawsuits>
> I was hoping it would also improve their food and service, but
> apparently not.
Property owners have every right to serve whom they wish to serve,
under the founding Constitution of the U.S.
That Denny's did not like serving large groups of negro bucks and
their hoes who would routinely walk out without paying is
understandable.
The "Sambo's" brouhaha was, by the way, a consequence of negro
illiteracy: they thought "Little Black Sambo" was about a negro, when
of course it was about a dark-skinned Caucasian in India.
--Tim May
SMS
<snip>
> Sambo's was furthur up Ocean St towards the fishhook.
In 1973 I had good hash browns at the Sambo's in Needles.
There's one Sambo's left, down in Southern California.
"http://www.sambosrestaurant.com/indexsam.htm".
Golden California Girls
I will totally agree with those comments about Denny's. It seems to be an
entirely up to the local manager how good or bad the location is. I've been in
some where service was 25% tip land, and others where I had to go into the
kitchen to get service. Even got into a discussion with a waitress in one
Denny's about the other Denny's in that town, Modesto. She dissed it and used
to work there. Couldn't take it as she thought it was wrong. I'd eaten in it
and agree, piss poor.
The only thing I have noticed is the public at large seems to get this as well.
Busy places have good service, or is it good service means a busy place!
Corp. Denny's needs to hire secret shoppers and bring the hammer down on the bad
places as they destroy the reputation of the brand.
Jeff Liebermann
wrote:
>Thanks to the PC crowd, that location stopped serving good food that
>people like us could eat.
>
>All due to the niggardly reviews given to Sambo's, which then became
>some other PC-friendly place (possibly Golden Corral, possibly Spoons,
>something like that), then Santa Cruz Diner.
I got curious and read some history on the Sambo's restaurant chain.
<http://www.sambosrestaurant.com/indexsam.htm>
Sambos was originally named after "Sam" and "Bo", the original
founders, not the "Little Black Sambo" childrens story. In 1981,
there were 1,117 restaurants. In 1982, there was only one left. There
was an attempt to change the name to "Sam's" in the North-East, but
that apparently didn't work. I really doubt that any manner of racial
backlash could kill off a thousand restaurants across the nation, in
such a short time.
Tim
Before I even check your URL, I assume it's the one in Santa Barbara,
near the main beach. It was still there, the last of the originals,
when I last visited SB about a year and a half ago. I tend to call
that Central California, not Southern California (which I think begins
at the Tehachapis, e.g. the Conejo Grade between Ventura and Thousand
Oaks).
(I went to UCSB, 1970-74. Two main restaurant chains started there,
Sambo's and Carrow's. Also, the year I started at UCSB a very small
copy shop opened, run by a guy with kinky hair. He called it Kinko's.
And down the road, in Goleta, a McDonald's franchise, who owned all of
the Santa Barbara-Goleta McDonald's franchises, invited Ray Kroc to
try his new invention, a breakfast sandwich. And so, at the Goleta
branch, in the early 70s, was born the Egg McMuffin.)
--Tim
Tim
> On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:21:07 -0800 (PST), Tim <timothyc...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Thanks to the PC crowd, that location stopped serving good food that
> >people like us could eat.
>
> >All due to the niggardly reviews given to Sambo's, which then became
> >some other PC-friendly place (possibly Golden Corral, possibly Spoons,
> >something like that), then Santa Cruz Diner.
>
> I got curious and read some history on the Sambo's restaurant chain.
> <http://www.sambosrestaurant.com/indexsam.htm>
> Sambos was originally named after "Sam" and "Bo", the original
> founders, not the "Little Black Sambo" childrens story. In 1981,
> there were 1,117 restaurants. In 1982, there was only one left. There
> was an attempt to change the name to "Sam's" in the North-East, but
> that apparently didn't work. I really doubt that any manner of racial
> backlash could kill off a thousand restaurants across the nation, in
> such a short time.
You're an incompetent researcher. I was there, I remembered.
And this report matches what I saw in the 70s and 80s, found in
seconds:
"By 1979, Sambo's had 1,200 outlets in 47 US states. However, in the
late-1970s, controversy over the chain's name drew protests and
lawsuits in communities that viewed the term Sambo as pejorative
towards African-Americans, particularly in the Northeastern states.
Several of the restaurants were opened as or renamed to "The Jolly
Tiger" in locations where the local community passed resolutions
forbidding the use of the original name or refused to grant the chain
permits.[1] In March 1981, in a further attempt to give the chain a
new image the company again renamed some locations, this time to "No
Place Like Sam's".[2] By November 1981, the company filed for
bankruptcy.[3] Neither the name change nor bankruptcy protection
reversed the downward trend, and in 1982 all but the original Sambo's
at 216 West Cabrillo Boulevard in Santa Barbara, California, closed
their doors.[4]"
(Wikipedia entry for Sambo's)
--Tim May
Golden California Girls
> No cable hoses, wire spaghetti, or cord octopus. Things have changed
> since the days when that stuff was needed. Today, it's ambient light
> photography and very portable cameras. I did get to play with a
> similar camera (Canon XL2 non-HD) once and was suitably impressed.
> <http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ProductCatIndexAct&fcategoryid=172>
Ah, shooting B-roll. Or has production value dropped that far. Shit lighting
is still shit lighting and just because the camera doesn't add a pile of noise
from the chip doesn't make it any different.
Single camera shoot and there is no need of genlock so no wire spaghetti and the
audio can go RF. Of course on a live show you can have a remote RF camera and
run that through a frame shaker ahead of the switcher, but that is only for
live. Anything to "tape" needs genlock. I haven't heard of a RF Genlock feed,
but that doesn't mean someone hasn't made one.
Jeff Liebermann
wrote:
>I tend to call
>that Central California, not Southern California (which I think begins
>at the Tehachapis, e.g. the Conejo Grade between Ventura and Thousand
>Oaks).
Same here, but the dividing line is not universally recognized. For
example, Wikipedia includes Santa Barbara and San Luis Obispo County
as part of Southern California:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_California#Northern_boundary>
Peter Lawrence
> On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 23:32:35 -0800 (PST), Tim <timot...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I tend to call
>> that Central California, not Southern California (which I think begins
>> at the Tehachapis, e.g. the Conejo Grade between Ventura and Thousand
>> Oaks).
>
> Same here, but the dividing line is not universally recognized. For
> example, Wikipedia includes Santa Barbara and San Luis Obispo County
> as part of Southern California:
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_California#Northern_boundary>
Well, Wikipedia is simply wrong in regard to including Kern and San Luis
Obispo Counties are part of Southern California.
Santa Barbara County can be considered to be part of Southern California,
the Central Coast, or Central California, but no longtime resident of
California that I know would ever refer to San Luis Obispo County as part of
"Southern California".
- Peter
Peter Lawrence
> On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:21:07 -0800 (PST), Tim <timot...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks to the PC crowd, that location stopped serving good food that
>> people like us could eat.
>>
>> All due to the niggardly reviews given to Sambo's, which then became
>> some other PC-friendly place (possibly Golden Corral, possibly Spoons,
>> something like that), then Santa Cruz Diner.
>
> I got curious and read some history on the Sambo's restaurant chain.
> <http://www.sambosrestaurant.com/indexsam.htm>
> Sambos was originally named after "Sam" and "Bo", the original
> founders, not the "Little Black Sambo" childrens story. In 1981,
> there were 1,117 restaurants. In 1982, there was only one left. There
> was an attempt to change the name to "Sam's" in the North-East, but
> that apparently didn't work. I really doubt that any manner of racial
> backlash could kill off a thousand restaurants across the nation, in
> such a short time.
There were other problems, besides its name that caused the Sambo's chain to
fail. The bigger issue was that it over-extended itself by expanding too
fast and when the stagflation and then recession hit in the late '70 and
very early 80's it couldn't pay its bills and loans. Outside of the
Northeast, the name, Sambo's, wasn't really problematic.
- Peter
Kai Jones
wrote:
There's a Lil' Sambo's in Lincoln City, OR, which was never part of
the chain, but is decorated with tigers and a boy holding an umbrella.
It started as a breakfast place with pancakes (like the story).
http://www.lilsambos.com/
--
Kai Jones sni...@panix.com
Jeff Liebermann
wrote:
I did some more digging and found that Sambo's was operating under
bankrupcy protection starting in 1981. In Mar 1983, they filed for
reorganization, giving creditors control of the company. The plan was
approved in Aug 1985. It's not terribly clear, but I believe the
various creditors elected to sell off the assets rather than continue
to operate the company, thus precipitating the closure of 1100
restaurants. I couldn't find much on the closure except for some
interesting details on Robert K. Lucky, the turn-around president
Sambo's hired:
<http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3190/is_n42_v22/ai_6759818/>
I also found some lititgation that made it to the supreme court, where
someone was demanding access to the bankrupcy records of Sambo's and a
mess of other companies in 1985. I don't wanna go there.
One thing is clear from reading the above URL... racial issues had
little to do with the collapse of the Sambo's chain. It's not even
mentioned.
Pete Fraser
news:hconde$hgj$1...@aioe.org...
> Single camera shoot and there is no need of genlock so no wire spaghetti
> and the
> audio can go RF.
I'm curious as to why genlock would be needed with multiple cameras
(other than in a live situation). Why?
Pete
Todd Michel McComb
Peter Lawrence <humm...@aol.com> wrote:
>Santa Barbara County can be considered to be part of Southern
>California, the Central Coast, or Central California, but no
>longtime resident of California that I know would ever refer to
>San Luis Obispo County as part of "Southern California".
I have friends in SLO who consider it part of Southern California
(that is, relative to a North/South division of the state, rather
than a more graduated version where they can be Central Coast; of
course, in high school athletics my children at Los Altos High are
apparently in the Central Coast, which makes no sense to me.)
Dan Abel
Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 23:32:35 -0800 (PST), Tim <timot...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I tend to call
> >that Central California, not Southern California (which I think begins
> >at the Tehachapis, e.g. the Conejo Grade between Ventura and Thousand
> >Oaks).
>
> Same here, but the dividing line is not universally recognized. For
> example, Wikipedia includes Santa Barbara and San Luis Obispo County
> as part of Southern California:
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_California#Northern_boundary>
A quick glance at your cite shows that it states that most people agree
that the Tehachapis are the dividing line, and the SB and SLO map is a
"secondary" idea.
Furthermore, it's apples and oranges. Most people try to divide CA into
two pieces. Tim is proposing three.
--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA
da...@sonic.net
Pete Fraser
news:hcpr3v$s7r$1...@agricola.medieval.org...
> I have friends in SLO who consider it part of Southern California
When I first arrived in the USA, I assumed that "midwest"
referred to the area around SLO.
Pete
Todd Michel McComb
Pete Fraser <pfr...@covad.net> wrote:
>When I first arrived in the USA, I assumed that "midwest" referred
>to the area around SLO.
Ha ha, that's awesome. I hope it's true.
I'm from Indiana originally, and I have a friend from Nebraska.
So we can argue about it.
Golden California Girls
If everything is going to be an L or J cut, or a traditional interview setup,
you may not need it. Also depends on how you are doing your sound sync and
recording. Not too nasty to be half a frame out, but then again maybe I notice
such things. [1] Worst part is when the cameras drift a couple of frames apart
over a long take. In the tape world you might not have ever noticed, but on a
timeline of an NLE, OUCH! It's just like a live situation.
[1] Recently I've seen some rather expensive national commercials on TV where
they are 2 to 3 frames out of sync. If you are spending the money on a national
ad campaign, hire professionals.