What does a debtor-in-possession do with a 50kw albatross? When
Concord's TV Channel 42 went bankrupt in the 1960s the bankruptcy trustee
couldn't find anyone to operate it and it was deemed impossible to operate it
as a going concern, so the station was physically dismantled and the parts
sold to other stations at big discounts. But in those days, TV station parts
were worth something.
But what of KTRB? Who would buy used AM station parts? On the other hand,
how do you you continue operating a station that is a money sink and requires
garguantuan fuel deliveries to stay on the air?
Unfortunately, KTRB appears to be a mess that is worth next to nothing dead or
alive. It seems that turning it off is not an option and leaving it on is not
an option.
If you were a bankruptcy trustee and had to pay off creditors, what would you
do with KTRB?
> If you were a bankruptcy trustee and had to pay off creditors, what would you
> do with KTRB?
Auction it off on eBay.
Melissa Scott took over her late husbands congregation. The return of
the Scotts?
She is more enjoyable to look at rather than listen to.
Welcome to the reality of the New America. Expect a lot more of this in
the future.
The first thing is that it's hard to believe that KTRB and KMPH
actually *had* a program director -- the same guy, in this case, since
both stations signed on (KTRB in SF, KMPH in Modesto). It sounds like
everybody involved in KTRB has been shown the door, including Jim
Pappas -- with the exception of CE John Burger. (At KMPH, the only
person remaining on duty is CE Jerry Moore.)
The court-appointed receiver is Susan Uecker, whose experience as a
receiver includes (to name a few) car dealerships, an East Indian
grocery store, dot.com companies and a water-bottling plant, according
to her online resume (http://www.ueckerassoc.com/Susan%20bio.htm).
She's the one responsible for spending Comerica's money on those daily
propane deliveries to the night-time site.
Keep in mind that KTRB, Sports Byline USA and Ken Dennis (Icicle
Networks, Bicoastal Media) are all in the old KSFO/KYA-FM building at
300 Broadway in San Francisco... and don't forget that KTRB is also
contractually obligated to run Stanford football and basketball this
year under its agreement with Cardinal Sports, LLC (Learfield Sports).
I've also heard that Jim Pappas, mastermind of the KTRB/KMPH empire,
has petitioned the receiver to return KMPH to the air with some exotic
mishmosh of satellite-fed and brokered programming.
>Keep in mind that KTRB, Sports Byline USA and Ken Dennis (Icicle
>Networks, Bicoastal Media) are all in the old KSFO/KYA-FM building at
>300 Broadway in San Francisco...
And that really makes no difference except as a trivia answer, with the single
exception that they don't have to pay for telco or satellite delivery of
programming.
>I've also heard that Jim Pappas, mastermind of the KTRB/KMPH empire,
>has petitioned the receiver to return KMPH to the air with some exotic
>mishmosh of satellite-fed and brokered programming.
It amazes me that in some industries the receiver will re-appoint the person
who ran the company into the ground. The most famous lately was Farid Suleman
of Citadel (aka ABC Radio), who not only got his job back (at $1.2 million a
year minimum), he also was given a boatload of stock in New Citadel.
I have not met Jim Pappas, so I know nothing about him, but I do know that in
the precarious world of AM radio it is not a good choice to reappoint the
person who just ran two stations into the ground.
> DavidFJackson <david.ferr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Keep in mind that KTRB, Sports Byline USA and Ken Dennis (Icicle
> >Networks, Bicoastal Media) are all in the old KSFO/KYA-FM building at
> >300 Broadway in San Francisco...
>
> And that really makes no difference except as a trivia answer, with the
> single
> exception that they don't have to pay for telco or satellite delivery of
> programming.
Huh? I had been told that they have a multi-hop digital STL to get the
signal to the east bay. I don't think telco even makes it to the
transmitter site.
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> >Keep in mind that KTRB, Sports Byline USA and Ken Dennis (Icicle
> >Networks, Bicoastal Media) are all in the old KSFO/KYA-FM building at
> >300 Broadway in San Francisco...
>
> And that really makes no difference except as a trivia answer, with the single
> exception that they don't have to pay for telco or satellite delivery of
> programming.
My point is that Ken Dennis owns several radio stations up and down
the West Coast, has his offices in the building, helped move KTRB from
its original SF studios on Montgomery into 300 Broadway, and helped
arrange a programming alliance with Ron Barr and Sports Byline USA.
All of them are within a few footsteps of each other at 300 Broadway.
Ken Pries, who is the A's Director of Broadcasting, worked in the
building at KSFO (producing A's baseball and Stanford sports), and
Barr began Sports Byline on KSFO and remained in the building (as did
Ken Dennis) (as did Gary Fiset, their promotions and marketing guy)
after the station moved out.
(Heck one of the studios at 300 Broadway is like a time machine -- it
hasn't changed one iota since KSFO/KYA-FM was in there forever ago.)
I think it's more than trivia. It's a glimpse in the direction the
station may be headed soon.
>Huh? I had been told that they have a multi-hop digital STL to get the
>signal to the east bay. I don't think telco even makes it to the
>transmitter site.
Well yes, but I was talking about getting the programming feed from Sports
Byline, etc., to KTRB. I assumed they had an STL to the transmitters, given
that I once saw a license filing to that effect somewhere.
>I think it's more than trivia. It's a glimpse in the direction the
>station may be headed soon.
Uh, "860 Byline USA"? They could do worse...The only solutions I see are
cheap syndication (as in barter), religion, and non-English block programming.
> The only solutions I see are cheap syndication (as in barter), religion, and non-English block programming.
You're right. I withdraw my comment. All of those people I mentioned
are right now plotting how to convert the station to brokered religion
and non-English block programming.
> Well yes, but I was talking about getting the programming feed from Sports
> Byline, etc., to KTRB. I assumed they had an STL to the transmitters, given
> that I once saw a license filing to that effect somewhere.
I don't know how the big time does it, but KKDV (and most of the other
affiliates) gets the Sharks games over the Internet. The transportation
cost is negligible.
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I've never seen her videos when she was Barbie Bridges.
I keep saying Alex Jones! Be crazier than KSFO.
>I don't know how the big time does it, but KKDV (and most of the other
>affiliates) gets the Sharks games over the Internet. The transportation
>cost is negligible.
In another world or another era, live Internet distribution would have been
considered second class. However, in just the last 2 or 3 years the
improvements in fidelity and artifacting have made Internet a player.
> In another world or another era, live Internet distribution would have been
> considered second class. However, in just the last 2 or 3 years the
> improvements in fidelity and artifacting have made Internet a player.
I imagine that's why the company moved from C-band satellite delivery to
Internet delivery at the end of last season. Saves wear and tear on the
roof, too.
Hell, I used to consider Internet-transported VOIP to be third-class.
Now, that's all I have, thanks to improvement in VOIP and improved
Internet connectivity.
>I realize that it is easy to jump to conclusions when no verifiable
>information is available from those who know.
I defer to your analysis given that you were there (or at least nearby) and I
and other Monday evening quarterbacks weren't.
>What I know to be fact is
>that the bank told Pappas to turn off KMPH. The reason, supposedly, was to
>keep KMPH from siphoning what few resources were available.
To me as a business person it seems strange given that KMPH is a much bigger
fish in a smaller pond than KTRB is in its pond. When I visited Modesto the
other weekend I was quite amazed at how much advertising was on the AMs in the
area given the Stockton/Modesto area's reputation as ground zero for the
economic meltdown. My observation tells me that the area is on the way back.
>The bank and
>the courts put KTRB into receivership.
In fairness to the bank and the courts, I'm sure they didn't want to do this,
but the cash flow simply couldn't sustain it as it was. Banks don't want to
send companies into bankruptcy -- even in good times -- because the assets are
never worth the original money spent. And this situation is even worse. My
feeling is that the financial picture was so bad that they couldn't have
operated the place as-is for the next 10 years and gotten on their feet.
>If Pappas had their way it would have never been
>built, but the FCC wanted to preserve the allocation for the market. That
>makes their plans to turn it back on all the more ironic.
Even so, I'd still say that a medium AM signal in Modesto could generate
better cash flow than a blowtorch AM in the Bay Area. Aside from us and some
Western music historians, who has heard of KTRB? Heck, I hang out with a
bunch of people who have never heard of KGO.
>> She is more enjoyable to look at rather than listen to.
>
>I've never seen her videos when she was Barbie Bridges.
Melissa Scott needs a stud boyfriend like, oh, late night TV huckster Don
Lapre. Images:
http://www.google.com/images?q=Don+Lapre
If he can sell work at home schemes I'm sure he can sell bibles, too.
>To me as a business person it seems strange given that KMPH is a much bigger
>fish in a smaller pond than KTRB is in its pond. When I visited Modesto the
>other weekend I was quite amazed at how much advertising was on the AMs in the
>area given the Stockton/Modesto area's reputation as ground zero for the
>economic meltdown.
What you don't know is (1) what prices are stations getting for those
spots (2) how many of them are freebie "bonus spots" or (3) how many
are sold in combo with an FM station?
Having lots of spots on the air doesn't mean much if the inventory is
being sold at fire sale prices or given away.
Mark Howell
> >If Pappas had their way it would have never been
> >built, but the FCC wanted to preserve the allocation for the market. That
> >makes their plans to turn it back on all the more ironic.
>
> Even so, I'd still say that a medium AM signal in Modesto could generate
> better cash flow than a blowtorch AM in the Bay Area. Aside from us and some
> Western music historians, who has heard of KTRB? Heck, I hang out with a
> bunch of people who have never heard of KGO.
While I would grant they're not as popular as the Giants, I can't be
the only person listening to the A's games on the radio.
> While I would grant they're not as popular as the Giants, I can't be
> the only person listening to the A's games on the radio.
Actually, that isn't the issue. Notice that KGO dropped the 49's. It was
strictly a matter of money. Teams have become greedy, and there isn't
much money to be made carrying sports for radio stations these days.
Stations pretty much carry sports in hopes of attracting listeners for
their other programming. I'm a bit skeptical regarding how much value
that has.
> To me as a business person it seems strange given that KMPH is a much bigger
> fish in a smaller pond than KTRB is in its pond. When I visited Modesto the
> other weekend I was quite amazed at how much advertising was on the AMs in the
> area given the Stockton/Modesto area's reputation as ground zero for the
> economic meltdown. My observation tells me that the area is on the way back.
David, on what stations did you hear the spots? ESPN 970? KFIV 1360?
KWSX 1280? KVIN 920? KYOS 1480?
Living out here in West Nowhere, where the only AMs we get solidly are
from Modesto and Stockton, it appears to me that most of these
stations run network, syndicated or brokered programs on the weekend.
KWSX and KFIV are run out of the same building in Modesto, and seem to
run the same brokered infomercials every weekend.
ESPN 970 does a pretty darn good job selling local spots, but they run
a lot of network programs and live sports (A's, Modesto Nuts, 49ers,
Sharks) with built-in spots.
Jim Bryan and Doug Wulff do a terrific job with KVIN, but a bunch of
their weekend programming is syndicated, with built-in spots.
KSTN/1420 and KMPH/840 did a brisk business in local spot sales (which
obviously got both of them nowhere), but my understanding is that the
overwhelming majority of KSTN's spots were trade-outs (restaurants,
equipment repairs, etc).
House sales out here are way up, but that's mostly because residential
foreclosures are so abundant and the prices are incredibly low.
Meanwhile, retail, industrial and other commercial spaces are sitting
around empty.
>What you don't know is (1) what prices are stations getting for those
>spots (2) how many of them are freebie "bonus spots" or (3) how many
>are sold in combo with an FM station?
I'm assuming that all this is true. Even so, I heard a much better mix of ads
(and fewer PI and quackery ads than KGO and KCBS run). I heard what might be
co-op ads since some national chains were advertising.
>While I would grant they're not as popular as the Giants, I can't be
>the only person listening to the A's games on the radio.
I actually put KTRB on my pre-set yesterday. To be honest, it had slipped my
mind that the A's were on KTRB. I hadn't been listening at all.
>David, on what stations did you hear the spots? ESPN 970? KFIV 1360?
>KWSX 1280? KVIN 920? KYOS 1480?
All those, but I didn't check 1280 because I forgot. I'll admit it was a
weekend, but what I was expecting for spot inventory was network fills, PSAs,
PI/PS, and quacks. I wasn't expecting to hear any local spots at all, to be
honest.
ESPN 970 sounded really solid production-wise, too. The station could have
been in SF, the production was so good.
I listened a lot to KVIN, and while I note that they had some syndicated
stuff, they did some local programming (albeit automated) with local spots in
the late afternoon/evening on Saturday.
>Meanwhile, retail, industrial and other commercial spaces are sitting
>around empty.
What amazed me was driving past 2 shopping malls and seeing lots filled with
cars (although I do grant that there's probably not much else people want to
do when it's 9pm and the outside temp is still 88). I drove through numerous
residential and commercial neighborhoods and what I saw was well-kept homes
and storefronts. Yes, I saw a few for lease signs, but nothing like I've seen
lately in Hayward, Fremont, and along Bayshore between SF and the airport.
The other reason stations, particularly in smaller markets, carry PBP
sports is because those games seem to be easy to sell. In smaller
markets, the motivating factor in buying spots seems to be civic pride
more than actual results.
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Wow !
We can all agree on something ------> B A S E B A L L !
Don't you just love it that the SPORTS MAFIAS control the sport ?
Don't you just love it that they have the whole nation entranced as
if in a stupor over a silly game involving yet another BALL ?
Humans, in their endeavors in this life, are seen pursuing
senseless
meaningless, STUPID GAMES, like children.
Playing with BALLS.
The local and national medias in every country, giving total
exposure
to the physical pursuits of mankind, while ignoring the other
pursuits
of mankind....namely the INTELLECTUAL PURSUITS.
Wasn't it 1919 ?
That the World Series was rigged ?
Yes, Sports Mafias...
Enough of Baseball.
How about Soccer (futbol) ?
Anybody for that ?
Really clever how the stupid Godless N.E.A. has latched onto this
really stupid game from Europa ------> Especially as children are
bouncing heavy balls on their heads to practice. Really clever
when we all can witness what Muhammad (stupid fucking name)
Ali is going through right now....with too many hits to the head.
Soccer ?
Many injuries, TOTALLY BORING, and definately causing brain
damage in young children's developing fragile skulls and brain.
Has the N.E.A. and the crazy SUV (will run you down) mothers,
'The Soccer Moms', ever realized how dumb their children are
getting by bouncing that stupid ball (another fucking ball) on
their heads ?
Am I & I the only one thinking rationally on this planet here ?
Sometimes I wonder...
Basketball ?
Anybody up for a stupid game of yet again ball chasing ?
The President is busy playing and watching basketball
instead of running the country.
Yet again, another pursuit of the black community while
totally ignoring the INTELLECTUAL PURSUITS OF
MANKIND.
Golf Anyone ?
Another stupid sport involving a BALL.
National TV Stations at times broadcasting golf tournaments
for almost the entire day.....
So what is going on in this here world -
THE
STUPID
PURSUITS
OF
MANKIND ---> PLAYING WITH BALLS
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>The rule of thumb that I remember from my all-news days is that
>about 25% of a typical news or news/talk station's audience is
>interested in sports ... the rest couldn't care less or find it to
>be an active tuneout.
>
That sounds about right. Notice that more and more TV newscasts make
sports the very last element in the show, and give it much less time
than in years past.
>The other reason stations, particularly in smaller markets, carry PBP
>sports is because those games seem to be easy to sell. In smaller
>markets, the motivating factor in buying spots seems to be civic pride
>more than actual results.
Quite true. Local merchants like to be seen as supporters of local
teams. In my callow youth, I worked at a station in Indiana that
would carry three -- count 'em, three -- high school basketball games
on a Friday night. One live, one tape-delayed after the first game
ended, and the third tape-delayed until the next morning! And all of
them completely sold out, running in time slots during which we
otherwise couldn't have given spots away.
Mark Howell
> Notice that more and more TV newscasts make
> sports the very last element in the show, and give it much less time
> than in years past.
I've been watching sportscasts on Bay Area TV since the 1960s, and
they've always been the last thing on the 11 o'clock (or, in the case
of KTVU, 10 o'clock) news, followed, of course, by one last little
throwaway story by the anchor(s). Even in the pre-ESPN days, it's
always been a quick scores-and-highlights report.
>I've been watching sportscasts on Bay Area TV since the 1960s, and
>they've always been the last thing on the 11 o'clock (or, in the case
>of KTVU, 10 o'clock) news, followed, of course, by one last little
>throwaway story by the anchor(s). Even in the pre-ESPN days, it's
>always been a quick scores-and-highlights report.
I guess you missed such sports luminaries as Van Amburg, Bob Fouts, and of
course, Gary Radnich, all of whom got quite a bit of time to do their sports.
I also remember the sports coming on before the weather. Since I no longer
watch local TV news I have no idea what's being done these days, though.
> Since I no longer
> watch local TV news I have no idea what's being done these days...
That is mighty clever of you, ba.broadcast's ex-rimmer
drama queen, flamboyant (ba.motss) Danny Kaye !
Quite an act !
One minute you state that you "have no idea of what's
being done these
days"
The other minute, like a complete HYPOCRITE,
youi liquid fart flush this newsroup with a form of liquid
verbal diatribe diarrhea, in a newsgroup ba.motss and
ba.broadcast, with public boasts of your enjoyment of
rimming. I say, rimming escapades gone wrong, with
a whole desire for fecal goo and morsels and lord anything
else in the anus. That is rimming.....so far different from
fellatio, so far different from anything gay.
Rimming (David Kaye) is from another planet altogether.
Spewing Fecal Filth and Lies = David Kaye in ba.broadcast.
Out of Touch ?
Danny Kaye = A Typist Of Chosen Ignorance (i.e. Scene)
That is mighty clever of you, drama-queen, Danny Kaye !
Your hate campaign of dis-information about conservative
talk-show hosts (Melanie Morgan / Michael Savage / etc.),
along with you predictable, regular, and evil jabs at
Jesus Christ's flock, their music (KLOVE), and their ideals.
Your ANTI-CHRIST ANTICS IN BA.BROADCAST AND
OTHER NEWSGROUPS WILL BE SEEN FOR WHAT
THEY ARE :
Evil Conspiring Vengeful Faggots !
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> Since I no longer
> watch local TV news I have no idea what's being done these days...
" You Big Dummy "
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> I guess you missed such sports luminaries as Van Amburg, Bob Fouts, and of
> course, Gary Radnich, all of whom got quite a bit of time to do their sports.
> I also remember the sports coming on before the weather. Since I no longer
> watch local TV news I have no idea what's being done these days, though.
You're right, they had plenty of time ... usually on big sports nights
(such as Saturdays and Sundays during football season) when there are
a lot of highlights. Even today, KTVU and KPIX do extended "sports
wraps" on Sunday nights, often nearly ten minutes, but on weeknights
now -- as then -- it's been three to four minutes wedged in before the
end.
And how about Frank Dill, Gary Park, John O'Reilly, Tony Conigliaro,
Walt Harris, Barry Tompkins and Wayne Walker?
Radnich? Bad example. For years, Gary has been a draw on KRON and the
star of the newscast. He's the reason many people still watch KRON's
newscasts.
>I actually put KTRB on my pre-set yesterday. To be honest, it had slipped my
>mind that the A's were on KTRB. I hadn't been listening at all.
I'd like to share a memory of KTRB that I don't see mentioned here.
It must have been in the late 60's and I was out barnstorming for a
job. The lobby of KTRB had a large turkey laminated into the linoleum
floor. It was in the town of Turlok. I believe the GM was Jim Pappas
and he told me James Walley had put up his little station on 1340 for
sale in Oroville. Try there, with a sale openings were common.
I promptly went into James Walley's office in Oroville. I remember it
was furnished in Danish Modern. He was outraged that Jim Pappas had
revealed sale information to an "outsider" and told me it was
priveledged information. Jim Walley was a man I still respect. I
wonder what has happened to him. As I recall his wife was the station
secretary.
Warren
>It must have been in the late 60's and I was out barnstorming for a
>job. The lobby of KTRB had a large turkey laminated into the linoleum
>floor. It was in the town of Turlok. I believe the GM was Jim Pappas
In the late 60s the only Pappas-es in the business were the three
brothers Mike, Pete, and Harry, referred to on Battery Street as "the
Greek Mafia". Mike was the sales guy, Harry was the technical guy,
and Pete was the mouth.
I don't know whose son Jim is, but Pete's daughter would be about 40
now, the same age as my son.
In the late 1960s they owned KGEN(AM) and KBOS(FM) in Tulare and were
gearing up to put KMPH(TV) Channel 26 on the air, licensed to Visalia,
co-located with the FM on Blue Ridge.
My memory of several discussions with Pete are that he wanted to buy
KTRB in Modesto "to get even with the Modesto folks for the lousy way
his poor family was treated growing up in Modesto" but they weren't
selling.
Perhaps your time line was off be a few decades.
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Phil Kane
Beaverton, OR
My apologies for an erronious post.
I wonder what my errant memory is telling me.
Anyway, sorry.
Warren