Returning Home to Azores from US

[Jeremy G. B-C - Researching: Sao Jorge & Pico]

Hello!

I have a great uncle who came to this country in 1899 or 1900. I find no passport on Terceira, nor on Horta, but that's not the issue I'm having. I know he had a daughter born in 1899 in the Islands to his wife Maria. He was in California for the 1910 cencus, and I believe he probably went back home soon thereafter. While he was here, he was naturalized. So he ended up dying at home in Faja dos Cubres (Ribeira Seca) on Sao Jorge in 1933. Daughter is still living and had married, and his wife is completely different so im sure the first wife died.

I am trying to figure out when he DEPARTED and arrived in the Islands.. a reverse of the usual. Unfortunately even though I have his departmental passport number, they (the gov) refuse to service my request for copies since it was from the late twenties (just a few thousand after what ancestry has) and apparently just within privacy laws. They told me it won't be available for some time, and I can't get copies unless I am the person named on the passport. (Real intellectually since he was born in 1879 and died over 80 years ago).

Does anyone have any suggestions as to where I may find the date he arrived in the azores?

If anyone has anything on a Paula Munoz in their databases please let me know (with such a unique name). She was the second wife who id love to know of. His name was Antonio Machado Cardoza. The daughter was Maria who married a man named Costa and moved to the village of Calheta.



Thanks!!!!

Jeremy

[Cheri Mello]

Jeremy,

There is no emigration OUT of the U.S. I don't believe there's anything going INTO the Azores (you should state Azores as many are researching the Hawaiian islands too).

You don't give a date for his American passport. In the U.S. there's film up to 1925 and then you have to write to the passport office for after 1925. You MUST include his death certificate. Here's the information from the Azores GenWeb. I haven't had to write for someone's passport for a long time, so no guarantee the URL will work. It's halfway down, item 5: https://goo.gl/uJMvDh

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

Jeremy

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[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Jeremy, there are US Passport applications that would cover that time period going out of the US. There are films available from the Family History Library that should have his application since you say he was naturalized. If you can find one for him it should tell you when he was leaving and for what reason. If he left prior to 1925 or so I think that they should be on film. 

Rosemarie

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Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 9:57 PM, 'Jeremy G. B-C - Researching: Sao Jorge & Pico' via Azores Genealogy <azo...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Jeremy

[Jeremy G. B-C - Researching: Sao Jorge & Pico]

Upon review I see I was wrong it was 1930. I looked at Familysearch's catalog an it looks like that's all prior to 1925. Strangely, I did write in and was turned down do to confidentiality even though I providedd united stateconsular office death certificate. Perhaps I will have to try again, but just imagine the fees.... ;-)


Thanks you both for the thoughts.

[Cheri Mello]

Jeremy, you need to read what I posted and follow the links and read those too. There are no fees. I don't know what the U.S. Consular death certificate looks like or if it was certified. I know the American passport application I filled out did have the next of kin/emergency contact blacked out and the FOIA code next to it. I think I used the FOIA G-639 to submit my request, but I'm not sure. If you read the links, it says you need a copy of your government issued I.D. You may not have one of those yet, so you may need to ask Doris to do it for you or your mom.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 10:51 PM, 'Jeremy G. B-C - Researching: Sao Jorge & Pico' via Azores Genealogy <azo...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Upon review I see I was wrong it was 1930.  I looked at Familysearch's catalog an it looks like that's all prior to 1925.  Strangely, I did write in and was turned down do to confidentiality even though I providedd united stateconsular office death certificate. Perhaps I will have to try again, but just imagine the fees.... ;-)


Thanks you both for the thoughts.

[Jeremy G. B-C]

Easy enough. I'm good on ID. I just reread this and will submit a request to the State department soon. Thanks so much for the tips.

Jeremy

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[Jeremy G. B-C]

Cheri, 

I have followed the instructions provided about mailing in to the Dept of State Office of Law Enforcement Liason for a "Post 1925 passport of a deceased person" (The one in question is from 1930, he died in 1933).

Before actually sending off the letter I typed up along with the death cert and photo ID, I phoned their office.  The lady did not sound particularly knowledgeable about requests for deceased persons, and was unable to locate information on procedure for my particular case, but she said "Third part requests MUST be certified, and therefore you are obligated to pay a $150 search fee".  WHAT CROOKS! $150 for a damn passport? As you would say - to much vinho, but they arent even Azorean! 

So my question is this: Have you ever actually sent in for a passport in this situation? With what results?

More than anything I just want the date he left the US to go back home (permanently), and I want his photograph above all!

,

A VERY frustrated Jeremy

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Jeremy, that sounds like a bunch of bull. It should be under the Freedom of Information Ac (FOIA), if you have proof that he's dead etc. and you are providing the other info asked for but who knows about Gov't agencies! They seem to be doing what they want, as they want. 

Rosemarie

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Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,

Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

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["E" Sharp]

Jeremy,

Coming in late on this but I was helping someone and found their relative listed on Ancestry listed under Report of Deaths of American Citizens Abroad, 1835-1974.  No picture though.  She was not born in the country.  It says her certificate of naturalization was left in this country.  She died in her home country. It gave her U. S. passport number and when it was issued and says it was returned to a family member.  

"E"

[Marilyn Thompson]

Jeremy

I did not see what your relationship is to the person you are seeking a copy of their passport.

I did a google search asking "How to obtain a copy of a US Passport issued in 1930?" the following link says they are protected by the Privacy Act of 1974.

https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/passports/services/obtain-copies-of-passport-records.html

It gives the full requirements and procedures.

Hope this helps

Just a thought - did you check Ancestry to make sure the passport was not obtained before 1925? It looks like Ancestry records for passports only go to 1925

Marilyn 

[Jeremy G. B-C]

Yes, that collection has the consular death certificates in it, and they is where I found him. Subsequently providing me with the dates and issue number of his passport.

[Jeremy G. B-C]

The privacy laws mentioned so not apply in cases where the person listed on the record is deceased - assuming you are able to provide a death certificate (I can provide the consular certificates of death of an American citizen abroad)

Unfortunately it was finally in 1930.

Below is a copy of the request I was planning on sending out prior to the phone conversation....

"To whom it may concern,

I am requesting a copy of passport No. 233977 of May 13th, 1930. It is for a Mr. Antonio Machado Cardoza AKA Cardozo/Cardoso. He was born on January 5th, 1879 in Sao Thiago, Faja Dos Cubres, Ribeira Seca, St. George, Azores, became a citizen of the United States in 1904 at the San Luis Obispo, CA Superior Court., and died in Sao Thiago, Faja Dos Cubres, Ribeira Seca, St. George, Azores on January 26th 1933. The deceased was my great-great-uncle. Enclosed you will find a copy of a report of his death from the United States Consular Service, and of both sides of my government-issued photo identification. As he is deceased, I believe this third-party request for the record of a deceased person falls under FOIA. I do not require this copy to be apostilled or certified."

My uncle was in the US by like 1902 but was gone someone shortly following 1911. He is on the 1910 cencus in Morro Bay, CA.

Thanks,

Jeremy

[Cheri Mello]

Jeremy, From the link Marilyn provided:

Regarding your letter: If it doesn't ask to state your relationship to the deceased, don't. And if it does, you can be the grandson or the great-grandson.

The FOIA G-639 is here. I'd fill that out too: https://www.uscis.gov/g-639

Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

["E" Sharp]

Did you see some of the fees for these records!!  Unbelievable!!! 

"E"

[Sami]

Hi Jeremy,

I'm sorry I have no advice, but I am in a similar position. I searched a long while for what happened to my great-grandfather. He disappeared after the 1930 census and I couldn't find a death record or anything on him. Just recently, I found out that he returned home to Capelo, Faial to live out his remaining days. I too cannot find any record of his going back. I cannot even find records of him coming to the U.S. I'm beginning to think he swam, ha ha. Anyway, I just wanted to say I understand how you feel, especially about getting a picture. I have none of any of my Azorean ancestors, which makes me very sad. Best of luck and I hope you get your information without paying those ridiculous fees! 

Sami