Translation Help Please -

[Jacki Gentry]

Hi Everyone, 

It's been a really long time since I've posted anything to the group. Life sort of got in the way of researching. :)  I'm trying to get back to it and I've realized that I'm really out of practice reading these. I could only read the basics anyway but after all this time, I'm not doing very well with that either. 

If someone could please be so kind as to translate the basic info from this marriage record, I would truly appreciate the help. The record is for Thome de Medeiros, born 18, Dec 1724 Fajo de Baixo, Sao Miguel and he married Felica Rosa, who if I have the correct record, was born 3 Dec 1761. (37 yrs his junior). I'm hoping this record mentions their parents and especially, their ages at the time so I can confirm that this is correct or not.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-FAJADEBAIXO-C-1759-1804/SMG-PD-FAJADEBAIXO-C-1759-1804_item1/P52.html

Cheri, my apologies if I'm not posting this the correct way. As I said, it's been a long time.

Cheers

Jacki Gentry

[JR]

Dec 3- 1781, Faja de Baixo, Thome de Medeiros, filho de Manoel Fernandes and Sebastianna da Rocha, ja defuntos com Felicia Roza, filha de Antonio do Rego and Maria Francisca ambos naturaes freguesia desta parochial.

Dec 3- 1781, Faja de Baixo, Thome de Medeiros, son of Manoel Fernandes and Sebastianna da Rocha, both deceased with Felicia Roza, daughter of Antonio do Rego and Maria Francisca both natives of freguesia of this parish.

There is no more info, and the side notes relates to names of priest the were left out and that blessings were received.

JR

[Altino Demelo]

Jacki, I tried replying to your post earlier, but the reply hasn't shown up on my device.

The record says on Dec 3, 1781 in the Ermida of Nossa Senhora dos Anjos, Thome de Medeiros, legitimate son of Manuel Fernandes & Sebastianna da Rocha (both deceased) weds Felicia Rosa, legitimate daughter of Antonio do Rego and his wife, Maria Francisca. (Both are natives of this parish)

I found Manuel Fernandes marrying Sebastianna de Oliveira da Rocha in Canto's index for Faja de Baixo. The date year is too hard for me to make out because those pages have hard to read months without years.

Manuel Fernandes is the son of Manuel Fernandes and Suzana Luis.

Sebastianna de Oliveira da Rocha is the daughter of Pedro da Rocha and Maria de Oliveira.

(Please double check the record to confirm)

Look in marriages around 1705.

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[Altino Demelo]

Jacki, I hope this helps with Antonio do Rego and Maria Francisca. I looked at Canto's index for Faja de Baixo. They had 4 other kids that I see...

Antonia Jacintha m. Francisco Rodrigues 3 Oct 1786

Francisco do Rego m. Maria Joaquinha 24 June 1787

André do Rego m. Ana Francisca 11 Oct 1787

João do Rego m. Josepha Francisca 18 Aug 1794.

Maybe the marriage record of one of these other kids might help with clues to going further back with Antonio do Rego and Maria Francisca.

Altino Demelo

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On Jan 28, 2018, at 1:49 PM, Jacki Gentry <Jackis...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[JR]

Feb 7- 1707 for Manuel Fernandes and Sebastiana Rocha.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-FAJADEBAIXO-C-1693-1759/SMG-PD-FAJADEBAIXO-C-1693-1759_item1/P14.html

Page 12 verso (backside), bottom record

JR

[Jacki Gentry]

JR and Altino, thank you so much 

The family members named, match the birth records I've found for both Thom and Felicia. I was actually hoping this marriage record would mention their ages and prove I had the wrong birth record for Felicia because I'm just having a hard time accepting an age difference so big. According to my birth records for them, he would have been 56 (born 18 Dec 1724) to her 19 (born 18 Dec 1761) when they married 3 Dec 1781. Unfortunately, I'm now virtually certain I have the correct record. I get it, older men who wanted to have families would have to find a wife young enough to bear children but 37 years?....yuk. The fact that his parents were both deceased makes sense though.  

Altino, thank you too for looking up the additional info. I'm not familiar with Canto's index but your info does match the records I've found at culturacores.azores.gov.pt

I will definitely be looking up the additional info you both posted as well.

Again, thank you both for taking the time to look all that up.

Jacki

[Jacki Gentry]

Good Morning,

One more bit of help with Felicia if you wouldn't mind, please. Does this record say that Felica's date of birth is 18 Dec 1761? I thought it did at first but I'm so rusty at reading this old handwriting, now I'm thinking it may say the 8th. It also looks like it says 1762 at the header of the page but it sure looks like the year reads mil sete centos sessenta e um. 

I'm reading it as: Felica, daughter of Antonio do Rego of ___ parish of Our Lady of the angels and Maria Francesca of the same parish  __  on the 8th or 18th day of the month of December 1761. 

I can't make out much of anything after the year except there is the mention of Francisco de Oliveria near the bottom

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-FAJADEBAIXO-B-1743-1764/SMG-PD-FAJADEBAIXO-B-1743-1764_item1/P171.html  (bottom left)

Thanks again

Jacki

On Sunday, January 28, 2018 at 10:59:59 AM UTC-8, Jacki Gentry wrote:

[Cheri Mello]

Born 18 Dec 1761. Old spelling for "one" is "hum" (silent h) instead of "um." Don't know why the header reads 1762. Too much vinho. 

Dad native of this place. The church is Nossa Senhora dos Anjos. We don't translate the chirches or villages or island. That would be like stating someone is from Holy Faith in America. We just leave it alone.

Mom is a native of Lomba da Maia (old spelling of Maya. Use modern spellings).

Cheri

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[Jacki Gentry]

Thank you Cheri. I appreciate the help.

Jacki

Cheri

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[Cheri Mello]

I originally answered your from my cell when I had a break between students, so I couldn't see it all.

The left page clearly says 1761 and the right page says 1762.

Felicia, daughter of Antonio do Rego  native of this? place of  something (probably the neighborhood), freguesia of Nossa Senhora dos Anjos and of Maria Francesca  native of Lomba de Maya (Maia) freguesia (can't read) born on the 18 day of the month of December 1761.  The godfather (padrinho) was Francisco de Oliveira. No godmother was mentioned. Cheri

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[Jacki Gentry]

Thanks for the second look. I'm glad I'm not the only one who can't read some of it. Boy, these are hard to read sometimes. It's gonna take me a while to back into the swing of it :)

On Sunday, January 28, 2018 at 10:59:59 AM UTC-8, Jacki Gentry wrote:

[Cheri Mello]

Jacki,

What I would do to get back into the swing of things (for whatever my 2 cents are worth).....

I'd take my research to the 1800s. If your immigrant ancestor was born in 1875, I'd go back to 1875 and collect all of his siblings. Then I'd go back to his parents and collect all the parents' siblings. There's no abbreviations in that time period. Then work your way back in time. Since you'll see the word "freguesia" written out 10 times, by the time you go back 100 years, "freg^a" may ring a bell as "freguesia."    Cheri

[Jacki Gentry]

Good Idea, thanks.

[Sam (Camas, WA)]

Jacki;  If you get back to Santa Maria island with you do Rego ancestors, we likely have a connection.

 

Best of luck,

Sam (Mazatlan, MX)

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Descendentes de Matias Da Ponte

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Primeira geração

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1. Matias Da Ponte [4664],¹ filho de Manuel Pereira Castanho [90756] ² e Susana da Ponte [90750],³ nasceu em 2-1687 em São José,ponta delgada,¹ foi baptizado a 26-2-1687 em São José,ponta delgada,,¹ faleceu a 28-7-1735 em Fajã De Baixo¹ com 48 anos de idade, e foi sepultado a 28-7-1735 em Fajã De Baixo.¹

Matias casou com Maria Cabral Do Rego [4651] ⁴ [MRIN: 2788], filha de Manuel do Rego [90788] ⁵ e Ana Cabral [90789],⁶ a 3-5-1713 em Fajã De Baixo. Maria nasceu em 10-1692 em Fajã De Baixo,⁴ e foi baptizada a 12-10-1692 em Fajã De Baixo.⁴

Filhos deste casamento:

   2 M    i. Pedro Do Rego [4688] .

Pedro casou com Teresa De Pimentel [4626] [MRIN: 2771], filha de Pedro Da Costa Ponte [8558] ⁷ e Maria De Pimentel [71624],⁷ a 1-2-1738 em maia.

+ 3 M    ii. António Do Rego [2878] ⁷ nasceu em Fajã De Baixo.

+ 4 M    iii. Manuel do Rego da Ponte senior [3740] ⁸ nasceu a 26-11-1720 em Fajã De Baixo,⁸ e foi baptizado a 2-12-1720 em Fajã De Baixo.⁸

Segunda geração (Filhos)

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3. António Do Rego [2878] ⁷ (Matias Da¹) nasceu em Fajã De Baixo.

António casou com Maria Francisca De Pimentel [78045] ⁷ [MRIN: 1751], filha de Manuel Ferreira De Sousa [2169] ⁹ e Victória Rebelo De Mendonça [50772],⁹ a 12-12-1744 em maia. Maria nasceu em Lomba Da Maia.

Filhos deste casamento:

   5 M    i. António Do Rego [17991] ⁷ nasceu em Fajã De Baixo.

António casou com Ana De Medeiros [22475] ⁷ [MRIN: 9880], filha de Francisco Moniz Barbosa [78595] ⁷ e Antónia De Medeiros [5341],⁷ a 8-6-1775 em Ponta Garça.

   6 M    ii. Francisco do Rego [105583] .

Francisco casou com Maria Joaquina [105587] [MRIN: 45937] a 24-6-1787 em Fajã De Baixo.

   7 M    iii. André do Rego [105584] .

André casou com Ana Francisca [105588] [MRIN: 45938] a 11-10-1787 em Fajã De Baixo.

   8 F    iv. Felicia Rosa do Rego [96321] nasceu a 18-12-1761 em Fajã De Baixo.

Notas gerais: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-FAJADEBAIXO-B-1743-1764/SMG-PD-FAJADEBAIXO-B-1743-1764_item1/P171.html

Felicia casou com Tomé de Medeiros [96320] [MRIN: 42502], filho de Manuel Fernandes [96318] e Sebastiana de Oliveira da Rocha [84720], a 3-12-1781 em Fajã De Baixo.

Notas sobre o casamento: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-FAJADEBAIXO-C-1759-1804/SMG-PD-FAJADEBAIXO-C-1759-1804_item1/P52.html

   9 M    v. João do Rego [105585] .

João casou com Josefa Francisca [105589] [MRIN: 45939] a 18-8-1794 em Fajã De Baixo.

   10 F    vi. Antónia Jacinta do Rego [105586] .

Antónia casou com Francisco Rodrigues [105590] [MRIN: 45940] a 3-10-1786 em Fajã De Baixo. 

[Jacki Gentry]

Sam,

Thank you very much, I look forward to being able to look into this. My work schedule just ramped up to 60+ hours a week again so it doesn't leave much time to research but as soon as it slows back down, I plan to follow up on this.

All the best

Jacki

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