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Glenn Beck compares Norway victims to Hitler Youth
Glenn Beck, who in June aired his final cable tv show on Fox News, is
still on the radio and has found a new way to get his name into the
headlines around the globe.
Instead of calling the president of the United States a racist, Beck
focused on the scores of young people gunned down at a camp in Norway.
Beck said the camp reminded him of Adolf Hitler's infamous Hitler
Youth.
"There was a shooting at a political camp, which sounds a little like,
you know, the Hitler youth. I mean, who does a camp for kids that's
all about politics? Disturbing," Beck stated in the first minute of
his syndicated radio show Monday.
Torbjørn Eriksen, the former press secretary to Norway's prime
minister, was not amused.
"Young political activists have gathered at Utoya for over 60 years to
learn about and be part of democracy, the very opposite of what the
Hitler Youth was about," Eriksen told The Daily Telegraph. "Glenn
Beck's comments are ignorant, incorrect and extremely hurtful," he
added.
To answer Beck's question of "who does a camp for kids that's all
about politics?": Caroline Shinkle does. The recent high school grad
founded Camp USA two years ago. The free, nonprofit, nonpartisan
political camp in Cape Cod, Mass., is designed for middle-schoolers.
According to its website, Camp USA aspires to have kids leave the camp
"with knowledge, confidence, and eagerness to be politically
involved."
Conservative columnist Jeff Lukens created a political camp in Tampa,
Fla., which aligns itself closer to "tea party" values. One of the
games described by the St. Petersburg Times would surely make
presidential hopeful Ron Paul smile.
"Children will win hard, wrapped candies to use as currency for a
store, symbolizing the gold standard. On the second day, the 'banker'
will issue paper money instead. Over time, students will realize their
paper money buys less and less, while the candies retain their value,"
the newspaper explained.
Tracey12
used by kids who were members of the Labor Party which is also who is
in power in Oslo.
If you have any understanding of European politics, you know that the
Labor Party is the far left just as the democrat party in the USA has
become the far left.
Yet, truth has nothing to do with the scam the left is trying to play
here in the USA. They hate Glenn Beck with a passion because he has
turned a bright spotlight on them and has exposed their extreme
radical views to the general public who had no idea how off the edge
the democrat party has become.
GLENN BECK IS A GREAT AMERICAN!
Ramon F Herrera
Who sponsors Youth Camps. Who was fired by 300+ companies (long live
capitalism!) from Faux.
Beck: "Youth Camps are fine, if sponsored by the RIGHT people".
ttp://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/07/25/beck.norway/
-RFH
pilotis
> On Jul 26, 8:44 am, Tracey12<tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Glenn Beck is right. The island resort for kids in Oslo was being
>> used by kids who were members of the Labor Party which is also who is
>> in power in Oslo.
>>
>> If you have any understanding of European politics, you know that the
>> Labor Party is the far left just as the democrat party in the USA has
>> become the far left.
>>
>> Yet, truth has nothing to do with the scam the left is trying to play
>> here in the USA. They hate Glenn Beck with a passion because he has
>> turned a bright spotlight on them and has exposed their extreme
>> radical views to the general public who had no idea how off the edge
>> the democrat party has become.
>>
>
> > GLENN BECK IS A GREAT AMERICAN!
>
> Who sponsors Youth Camps. W
NFL players and NBA stars, and lots of them.
Bluesfan2U
No, he isn't. He is either nuts or not sincere.
ZeroWorship
what happened to diversity?
Dudley Dooright
politics there.
Dudley Dooright
You're thinking of Obama again. Beck is the American, Obama is the
Islamist Kenyan.
Cambridge Ray
Marxist! Moi?
How come I support with my Chamber and my Chamber supports me, then?
How come you cannot find ONE US company that agrees with you on
immigration? (they are all on my side).
You are on the anti-business (aka, anti-America) car:
http://patriot.net/~ramon/GOP-Stake.gif
-Ramon
Proud Member of the US Chamber of Commerce (regular and Hispanic)
So quit calling me commie, will ya'?
100% Supporter of the position on immigration being
lobbied and led by The US Chamber of Commerce
--------------------------------------------------------------
Black is the New White.
Boehner the New Beaner.
Sarah the New Charo:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004819/
Dudley Dooright
Because you greasy pro-illegal immigration criminals stick together like
spoons of Crisco.
>
> How come you cannot find ONE US company that agrees with you on
> immigration? (they are all on my side).
I have no trouble finding American companies who don't want illegal
aliens around. The ones on your side are criminals and probably make
tortillas, or can menudo.
>
> You are on the anti-business (aka, anti-America) car:
>
> http://patriot.net/~ramon/GOP-Stake.gif
Ramon, you are not a patriot, you are a self destructing
anti-sovereignty pro-planet of the apes asshole.
N. TerTeyning
> On 07/26/2011 08:02 AM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
>> On Jul 26, 8:44 am, Tracey12<tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>> > GLENN BECK IS
>>
>> Who sponsors Youth Camps. W
>
> N
You are a little dick bitch who feels like it is his civic duty as a
Usenet troll to place his nose firmly in the sphincters of those he
dislikes every time they post. They all own you, spammy.
'Shit happens'
---Traitorous 'Spammy' Sam's reply to the fact that 34
Americans died and 170 were injured when Israel attacked the
USS Liberty. Spammy is a gutless coward who has never served
his country in uniform.
Bill Shatzer
Or perhaps he's an insincere nut.
That'w where I'm putting my money.
peace and justice,
Cambridge Ray
Their position has to be PUBLIC: KKK-style positions behind closed
door are unacceptable.
So, where are those URLS? Been waiting for 7 years...
-Ramon
First Post
You believe that because a lot of greedy bastards want to hire illegal
immigrants at substandard wages with no benefits or insurance while
holding them effectively hostage by threatening them with ICE and such
is something to be proud of and should be advocated?
For someone that claims to be Hispanic themself it certainly is
curious that you openly promote the subjugation of your own people.
You're a real piece of human shit.
Ramon F Herrera
Señor, I have free will (and LOTS of job offers). Save for marriage,
there is no bigger demonstration of trust than that of an employer-
employee. The fact is that America likes us and trusts us: for every
member of the undocumented workforce there is one employer or buyer of
our products/services. We feed you and take care of your babies.
In reference to La Migra: Call them and they will ignore you at best,
laugh in your face at worse. The Obama administration ordered to leave
Juan the Frutpicker and Maria the Chambermaid alone, so they can focus
on the real bad guys. (read a little).
- Pancho the Undocumented Worker
ps: I could not attend college and learn about Economics (like Mr.
Ramon who knows a lot) for obvious reasons. What is your excuse?
pilotis
> The fact is that America likes us and trusts us:
Yes, Venezuelans are amongst the most valued...baseball players here...
Can you pitch?
Ramon F Herrera
Hey First Post, you sound like a leftie. It is so rare to see leftie
anti-immigrants these days! You are on your way to extinction. You
sound like an old commie, union type.
Where do you seat?
http://patriot.net/~ramon/GOP-Stake.gif
(I am guessing you seat on the grass, by yourself).
I take it that you are not interested in these votes?
"If current Hispanic voting and demographic trends continue (*), as
early as 2020 the Republican party will be unable to get enough
electoral college votes to win another presidential election EVER"
- The Wall Street Journal, not quite a liberal rag
(*) The trends have accelerated, thanks to Arizona and the Tea Party.
-Ramon
pilotis
> You
> sound like an old commie, union type.
You sound like a Chavez sycophant.
Ramon F Herrera
> Can you pitch?
Not personally, but for a reasonable fee I can arrange the
transportation of pitchers, home-runners or even Miss Venezuelas
(English is extra).
Funny you mention it, since I am in the US due to a baseball team,
founded by a cousin. I used to be in charge of the electronic
scoreboard (surprisingly, Made in Venezuela) and got the computer
fever. Long story short, got two engineering degrees (hardware and
software) and went to MIT, where Al Gore supported us inventing the
Internet.
I do not a lot of baseball players, since they were poor and unknown.
-Ramon
pilotis
An interesting tale, if true of course, but lacking a strong arm you'll
just have to keep coding for food...
http://www.krisroadruck.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/will-code-php-for-food.jpg
Ramon F Herrera
Hey Mr. Leftie,
Do you have a problem with these votes?
http://patriot.net/~ramon/Guns-R-Us.gif
Are you aware that without the Hispanic vote my Prez. Obbie would be
in Chicago? Obama campaigned based on a promise to work towards a Path
to Citizenship. We Hispanics responded enthusiastically, sending him
to the House That Used to Be White. He has a political debt with us.
Do you want to make a liar out of him?
http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/05/10/obama.immigration
-Ramon
Pepe Le Jew
<77b56d78-fe8f-4f8e...@q11g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
Ramon F Herrera <gopo...@jonjay.com> wrote:
> Hey Mr. Leftie,
>
> Do you have a problem with these votes?
>
> http://patriot.net/~ramon/Guns-R-Us.gif
>
> Are you aware that without the Hispanic vote my Prez. Obbie would be
> in Chicago? Obama campaigned based on a promise to work towards a Path
> to Citizenship. We Hispanics responded enthusiastically, sending him
> to the House That Used to Be White. He has a political debt with us.
> Do you want to make a liar out of him?
He doesn't need the help.
pilotis
> there is no bigger demonstration of trust than that of an employer-
> employee.
Hogwash.
People who work cheaply are popular, period.
Chuck Norris
Why do you ask? Are you a "catcher"?
pilotis
Are you in the hole?
N. E. Mation
> in the hole
Die now, spammie no-life.
N. E. Mation
> a Chavez sycophant.
And one with no life.
Gatt
>
> People who work cheaply are popular, period.
You just have to be ready to slaughter the helots if they get too
uppity.
ralphmalph
Laconia has a cool Harley rally.
SMITH29
You might read this,
> http://radiopatriot.wordpress.com/2011/07/23/norwegian-campsite-utoya-was-socialist-and-anti-israel/
You know that Norway, Finland and Sweden are socialist states.
Bill Shatzer
> You know that Norway, Finland and Sweden are socialist states.
Finland is ranked first, Sweden third, and Norway sixth among the
world's best countries.
The US is eleventh.
Maybe there's something to be said for "socialist" states?
peace and justice,
Bluesfan2U
>
> Not in the arorementioned countries, OR the United States do any of
> these conditions exist.
>
>> any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or
>> governmental ownership and administration of the means of production
>> and distribution of goods
>
>> a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
>> b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are
>> owned and controlled by the state
>
>
They are "progressive" countries, not socialist. Regulated capitalism is
the norm for each of the listed.
These countries do show us on a relatively small scale what can be
accomplished when a people unite through their government to work toward
social justice.
Pete10016
> Glenn Beck is right. The island resort for kids in Oslo was being
> used by kids who were members of the Labor Party which is also who is
> in power in Oslo.
>
> If you have any understanding of European politics, you know that the
> Labor Party is the far left just as the democrat party in the USA has
> become the far left.
>
> Yet, truth has nothing to do with the scam the left is trying to play
> here in the USA. They hate Glenn Beck with a passion because he has
> turned a bright spotlight on them and has exposed their extreme
> radical views to the general public who had no idea how off the edge
> the democrat party has become.
>
> GLENN BECK IS A GREAT AMERICAN!
I couldn't agree more.
-All a student in the USA has to do is go to school to get the liberal
values shoved down their tender throats.
SMITH29
> SMITH29 wrote:
>
>> You know that Norway, Finland and Sweden are socialist states.
>
> Finland is ranked first,
Sided with Nazi Germany
Sweden third, and Norway sixth among the
> world's best countries.
xxxx
Best for what? being lazy and unproductive.
>
> The US is eleventh.
xxxx
?
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3atktbv
>
> Maybe there's something to be said for "socialist" states?
xxxx
Their is! mediocrity.
>
> peace and justice,
>
Pete10016
They are progressive to the point of being radical.
Standard of living is much lower than in most
other western countries.
Bluesfan2U
> On 8/2/2011 10:09 PM, Bill Shatzer wrote:
>> SMITH29 wrote:
>>
>>> You know that Norway, Finland and Sweden are socialist states.
>>
>> Finland is ranked first,
> xxxx
> Sided with Nazi Germany
You would have too if you had been invaded by the Soviet Union.
>
> Sweden third, and Norway sixth among the
>> world's best countries.
> xxxx
> Best for what? being lazy and unproductive.
Read the article, 29, and then have someone explain it to you.
>>
>> The US is eleventh.
> xxxx
> ?
Yeah, I'm disappointed too. We should be #1.
>
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/3atktbv
>>
>> Maybe there's something to be said for "socialist" states?
> xxxx
> Their is! mediocrity.
That must be a very good thing if the top nations in the world hold it
in common....
>>
>> peace and justice,
>>
Bluesfan2U
Almost every measurement of standard of living proves you wrong.
Mal Stromm
> They are "progressive" countries, not socialist.
More witless euphemizing.
Mal Stromm
> On 8/3/2011 10:09 AM, SMITH29 wrote:
>> On 8/2/2011 10:09 PM, Bill Shatzer wrote:
>>> SMITH29 wrote:
>>>
>>>> You know that Norway, Finland and Sweden are socialist states.
>>>
>>> Finland is ranked first,
>> xxxx
>> Sided with Nazi Germany
>
> You would have too if you had been invaded by the Soviet Union.
Right...gas those pesky Jews anyway...
pilotis
> They are "progressive" countries, not socialist.
Code word for pinko collectivist.
pilotis
> On 8/3/2011 10:09 AM, SMITH29 wrote:
>> On 8/2/2011 10:09 PM, Bill Shatzer wrote:
>>> SMITH29 wrote:
>>>
>>>> You know that Norway, Finland and Sweden are socialist states.
>>>
>>> Finland is ranked first,
>> xxxx
>> Sided with Nazi Germany
>
> You would have too if you had been invaded by the Soviet Union.
>
You into nazism? Wow.
Ally Long de Watschtauer
> More witless euphemizing.
Do you ever have anything of interest, or substance, to say?
Ally Long de Watschtauer
> gas those pesky Jews anyway...
Bill Shatzer
> On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:09:15 -0700, Bill Shatzer <ww...@NOcornell.edu>
> wrote:
>
>
> But they aren't.
Which is rather why I placed "socialist" in quote marks.
Twenty-nine sees "socialists" under his bed and considers anyone to the
left of Ghenghis Khan to be "socialist".
Rather than getting into a semantic argument with the boy, I thought it
easier to just point out that the three countries he picked out as
"socialist" are actually pretty good places to live.
peace and justice,
pilotis
> I placed "socialist" in quote marks.
But that's just the kind of flinty shithead you are, isn't it?
One Term Obama
>
> They are "progressive" countries, not socialist. Regulated capitalism is
> the norm for each of the listed.
Your ass. Progressive means Socialism, Marxism and/or Communism. it also
means you are a slimy, smelly lump of Obama loving Marxist dog shit.
Your anti-American posts are disgusting.
>
> These countries do show us on a relatively small scale what can be
> accomplished when a people unite through their government to work toward
> social justice.
You'd rather dance in a gay bar than be an American.
One Term Obama
You are willing to give up American standards to promote Communism, and
stealing from people who work for a living. You are a loser in life.
One Term Obama
McAfee is dog shit.
One Term Obama
> On 8/3/2011 10:09 AM, SMITH29 wrote:
>> On 8/2/2011 10:09 PM, Bill Shatzer wrote:
>>> SMITH29 wrote:
>>>
>>>> You know that Norway, Finland and Sweden are socialist states.
>>>
>>> Finland is ranked first,
>> xxxx
>> Sided with Nazi Germany
>
> You would have too if you had been invaded by the Soviet Union.
>
>
>>
>> Sweden third, and Norway sixth among the
>>> world's best countries.
>> xxxx
>> Best for what? being lazy and unproductive.
>
> Read the article, 29, and then have someone explain it to you.
>
>
>>>
>>> The US is eleventh.
>> xxxx
>> ?
>
> Yeah, I'm disappointed too. We should be #1.
>
>
allowed to vote.
Mal Stromm
If you like long winters, cold temperatures, lots of rain and clouds,
and...plenty of nanny state meddling in your affairs...
SMITH29
xxxx
Would you like some warm milk and cookies with that fairy tale?
SMITH29
I certainly wish they were attractive enough to attract the m00nbats we
have over here you included.
--
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Bill Shatzer wrote:
And over 4,000 Americans have paid with their lives for that little
adventure. Plus a half a trillion dollars in national treasure
You might compare that with the number of lives lost on 9-11. Or the
economic injury incurred from that event.
It would have been cheaper in both lives and money to just suffer
another 9-11 every six or seven years.
Peace and justice,
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Capitalists, not American patriots. And capitalists are only
coincidently American.
Would American patriots sell our military defective helmets and body
armor? Capitalists certainly would - and have.
A better world is possible � a world where people come before profits.
That�s socialism. That�s our vision. We are the Communist Party USA.
"Capitalist" is just a high class word for "thief"
peace and justice,
SMITH29
> Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
>> On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:09:15 -0700, Bill Shatzer <ww...@NOcornell.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> SMITH29 wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> You know that Norway, Finland and Sweden are socialist states.
>>>
>>> Finland is ranked first, Sweden third, and Norway sixth among the
>>> world's best countries.
>>>
>>> The US is eleventh.
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/3atktbv
>
>>> Maybe there's something to be said for "socialist" states?
>
>> But they aren't.
>
> Which is rather why I placed "socialist" in quote marks.
>
> Twenty-nine sees "socialists" under his bed and considers anyone to the
> left of Ghenghis Khan to be "socialist".
I didn't brand them "socialist ", they claim the title in their propaganda.
>
>
> peace and justice,
SMITH29
>> On 8/2/2011 10:09 PM, Bill Shatzer wrote:
>>> SMITH29 wrote:
>>>
>>>> You know that Norway, Finland and Sweden are socialist states.
>>>
>>> Finland is ranked first,
>> xxxx
>> Sided with Nazi Germany
>
> You would have too if you had been invaded by the Soviet Union.
>
>
>>
>> Sweden third, and Norway sixth among the
>>> world's best countries.
>> xxxx
>> Best for what? being lazy and unproductive.
>
> Read the article, 29, and then have someone explain it to you.
I have worked with engineers from Sweden and the tale they tell is truly
sad.
>
>
>>>
>>> The US is eleventh.
>> xxxx
>> ?
>
> Yeah, I'm disappointed too. We should be #1.
As far as I'm concerned we are despite the nonfunctional government.
>
>
>>
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/3atktbv
>>>
>>> Maybe there's something to be said for "socialist" states?
>> xxxx
>> Their is! mediocrity.
>
> That must be a very good thing if the top nations in the world hold it
> in common....
That's silly.
I don't see you m00nbats flocking there.
I think they would throw you out.
>
>
>>>
>>> peace and justice,
SMITH29
> "Mal Stromm" <ma...@ive.con> wants to...
>
>> gas those pesky Jews anyway...
>
> Do you ev
He hit a N E R V E !!!!! ;-)
SMITH29
>
>> More witless euphemizing.
>
> Do you eve
xxxx
He hit a N E R V E !!!! ;-)
Bill Shatzer
You mean liberal values like social justice, compassion, equality,
respect, kindness?
Those seem like good values.
peace and justice,
Bill Shatzer
Per capita GDP (with world ranking)
Norway: $84,444 (2)
Denmark: $56,147 (6)
Sweden: $48,875 (8)
All off which are greater than the US.
peace and justice,
Steve
wrote:
>Pete10016 wrote:
No, I think the reference was to the liberal values of: We'll take
your property because you have too much... and we'll give it to
David <Zepp> Jamieson who did drugs and dropped out of school and
subsequently can't make a living.
Bill Shatzer
> On 08/03/2011 11:16 AM, Bluesfan2U wrote:
>
>> On 8/3/2011 10:09 AM, SMITH29 wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/2/2011 10:09 PM, Bill Shatzer wrote:
>>>
>>>> SMITH29 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You know that Norway, Finland and Sweden are socialist states.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Finland is ranked first,
>>> Sided with Nazi Germany
>> You would have too if you had been invaded by the Soviet Union.
> You into nazism? Wow.
The US and Great Britain fought on the same side as the Soviet Union.
Does that make us "into" Communism?
peace and justice,
Bill Shatzer
Take your meds. You'll feel better in the morning.
peace and justice,
pilotis
Russia supported Hitler...until he attacked them...
pilotis
Bill Shatzer
Not since the short-lived Finnish Socialist Workers' Republic circa 1918.
peace and justice,
Bill Shatzer
> I have worked with engineers from Sweden and the tale they tell is truly
> sad.
The plural of anecdote is not data.
Those Swedish engineers managed to design and build Volvo motor trucks
and SAAB fighter planes.
And Finnish engineers built Nokia into the biggest cell phone maker in
the world.
peace and justice,
pilotis
Tsk...
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Finland+as+global+socialist+model%3F-a0139717170
The Finnish model of socialism isn't suitable for other societies.
Finnish academic Petri Rouvinen points out that
"The Finnish mindset is collectivist.... It's that kind of mindset that
makes it possible to have this sort of system."
"We are a small homogenous country, heavily state-based, and our social
model as a whole is so typically Finnish that it won't travel,"
admits sociology professor Riisto Erasaari of Helsinki University. "But
parts of it ... are exportable."
SMITH29
> SMITH29 wrote:
>
>> I have worked with engineers from Sweden and the tale they tell is
>> truly sad.
>
> The plural of anecdote is not data.
You're not data. Engineers ARE data.
>
> Those Swedish engineers managed to design and build Volvo motor trucks
Volvo is Chinese and they will rue the day they bought that socialist turd.
FORD lost big on Volvo and couldn't dump it fast enough.
> and SAAB fighter planes.
xxxx
BIG SELLER!!!!!
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2011/02/23/353575/saab-aircraft-leasing-doubles-aircraft-transactions.html
>
> And Finnish engineers built Nokia into the biggest cell phone maker in
> the world.
It has done better in the past but sales suffer right now.
Finland wants to go like America in structure and is working at it but
the socialist part will slow progress.
They want our type of government while our m00nbats want their socialist
bent so they are assured some capitalist won't tell them to go back to
work and help build America.
Retirement is a killer. People retiring don't last as long as those who
keep going in business.
pilotis
> SMITH29 wrote:
>
>> I have worked with engineers from Sweden and the tale they tell is
>> truly sad.
>
> The plural of anecdote is not data.
The excuse for shooting from the hip is not to deny real world testimonials.
> Those Swedish engineers managed to design and build Volvo motor trucks
> and SAAB fighter planes.
Then sold the parent companies first to Ford and GM and later to China
and Russia.
> And Finnish engineers built Nokia into the biggest cell phone maker in
> the world.
Yes, they're really killing the Apple I-Phone, aren't they?
SMITH29
> SMITH29 wrote:
>
>> I have worked with engineers from Sweden and the tale they tell is
>> truly sad.
>
> The plural of anecdote is not data.
>
> Those Swedish engineers managed to design and build Volvo motor trucks
Trucks are still Swede which will mean the present sales won't last
because they will lay down on the job sooner or later.
It will end up like the ZIL.
Bluesfan2U
What I would appreciate is a fact filled, logical disagreement. Your
problem is that there is none.
Bluesfan2U
According to the data, it must require Socialist Democrats to be in power.
Or maybe you have that counter intuitive thing going? You know where the
leading countries of the world so far as standards of living are
concerned all have what you term as "social democrats" in charge so if
the US were to achieve such status we would have to have fascist in
charge. That is exemplary of your reasoning ability, right?
Bluesfan2U
Apparently, but then according to this crowd the NAZIs were "socialist"
too. Maybe we were all "socialist" and just didn't know it?
>
> peace and justice,
>
Bill Shatzer
Anyone who mucks up the Winter War in the first sentence doesn't get
much credibility for the rest of the article. To quote:
"Following the Soviet invasion of Finland in 1939, Finnish
militiamen--some of them mounted on skis--fought a heroic and successful
"Winter War" to evict the Red Army."
Finnish resistance may have be heroic but it was far from successful.
The Winter War was ended by the Moscow Peace Treaty in early 1940 by
which Finland ceded over 10% of its territory (containing 30% of its
industrial base) to the Soviet Union.
The Winter War was successful only in the sense that Finland wasn't
totally crushed by the Soviets. Other than that, it was a pretty clear loss.
peace and justice,
Bill Shatzer
> On 8/3/2011 5:06 PM, Bill Shatzer wrote:
>> Those Swedish engineers managed to design and build Volvo motor trucks
> Volvo is Chinese and they will rue the day they bought that socialist turd.
> FORD lost big on Volvo and couldn't dump it fast enough.
Knock knock! Hello, McFly! Anybody home?
It probably escaped your notice that Volvo trucks is not the same
company as Volvo motorcars and haven't been for quite some time. Ford
never held an interest in Volvo trucks.
>> and SAAB fighter planes.
> BIG SELLER!!!!!
> http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2011/02/23/353575/saab-aircraft-leasing-doubles-aircraft-transactions.html
It likewise probably escaped your notice that the SAAB 340 is not a
fighter plane.
The SAAB Gripen is as good a fourth generation fighter as there is.
I've no doubt SAAB could design and build an F-22-type if anyone could
afford to buy it. But hell, even the US can't afford the F-22.
peace and justice,
Bill Shatzer
> On 08/03/2011 06:06 PM, Bill Shatzer wrote:
>
>> SMITH29 wrote:
>>> I have worked with engineers from Sweden and the tale they tell is
>>> truly sad.
>> The plural of anecdote is not data.
> The excuse for shooting from the hip is not to deny real world
> testimonials.
>> Those Swedish engineers managed to design and build Volvo motor trucks
>> and SAAB fighter planes.
> Then sold the parent companies first to Ford and GM and later to China
> and Russia.
Like twenty-nine, you are confused about the difference between Volvo
trucks and Volvo motorcars. The are no longer the same company and
haven't been for quite some time.
Always glad to enrich your education.
>> And Finnish engineers built Nokia into the biggest cell phone maker in
>> the world.
> Yes, they're really killing the Apple I-Phone, aren't they?
They have 35% of the world cell phone market - twice the market share of
their closest competitor. Apple has about 2.5%
peace and justice,
Bill Shatzer
I'll look to someone else for my investment advice if you don't mind.
peace and justice,
Mal Stromm
You trade on the pink sheets?
http://www.google.com/finance?q=PINK%3AVOLVY
A stunning 5 year chart, there's more action in a corpse.
Mal Stromm
> pilotis wrote:
>
>> On 08/03/2011 06:06 PM, Bill Shatzer wrote:
>>
>>> SMITH29 wrote:
>
>>>> I have worked with engineers from Sweden and the tale they tell is
>>>> truly sad.
>
>>> The plural of anecdote is not data.
>
>> The excuse for shooting from the hip is not to deny real world
>> testimonials.
>
>>> Those Swedish engineers managed to design and build Volvo motor trucks
>>> and SAAB fighter planes.
>
>> Then sold the parent companies first to Ford and GM and later to China
>> and Russia.
>
> Like twenty-nine, you are confused about the difference between Volvo
> trucks and Volvo motorcars. The are no longer the same company and
> haven't been for quite some time.
>
> Always glad to enrich your education.
http://www.google.com/finance?q=PINK%3AVOLVY
Feel free to jump in, to a flatliner.
>
>>> And Finnish engineers built Nokia into the biggest cell phone maker in
>>> the world.
>
>> Yes, they're really killing the Apple I-Phone, aren't they?
>
> They have 35% of the world cell phone market - twice the market share of
> their closest competitor. Apple has about 2.5%
>
> peace and justice,
http://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:NOK
compare and contrast
http://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ%3AAAPL
Looks like you can't read trends worth a hoot.
Nokia Slumps, IDC Says
July 29, 2011, 5:47 AM EDT
More From Businessweek
By Mark Lee
July 29 (Bloomberg) -- Apple Inc. more than doubled its share of the
global handset market last quarter as the iPhone maker posted record
shipments, while Nokia Oyj�s lead in the industry shrank amid a sales
slump, research company IDC said.
Apple increased its market share to 5.6 percent in the second quarter,
from 2.6 percent a year earlier, IDC said in an e-mailed statement
today. Nokia, Samsung Electronics Co. and LG Electronics Inc., the three
biggest vendors, all lost market share, making Apple the only one of the
top-four to post a gain, according to the Framingham,
Massachusetts-based researcher.
Nokia this month posted its first quarterly loss since 2009 as the
Espoo, Finland-based company reported weaker-than- expected revenue.
Apple, the world�s biggest technology company by market value, had
record sales and profit last quarter helped by demand for the iPhone,
its biggest revenue contributor.
Nokia�s market share shrank to 24.2 percent from 33.8 percent a year
earlier, after shipments plunged 20 percent, according to IDC. The
Finnish company is losing out to low-cost vendors including China�s TCL
Corp. and Huawei Technologies Co., according to IDC.
Samsung, maker of the Galaxy smartphone, accounted for 19.2 percent of
the global mobile-phone market last quarter, declining from 19.4 percent
a year earlier, IDC said. LG�s market share fell to 6.8 percent from 9.3
percent, IDC said.
Mal Stromm
> The SAAB Gripen is as good a fourth generation fighter as there is.
And 55 Chevys are venerated on the streets of old Habana...
Mal Stromm
Mal Stromm
> On 8/3/2011 4:49 PM, Bill Shatzer wrote:
>> pilotis wrote:
>>
>>> On 08/03/2011 11:16 AM, Bluesfan2U wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/3/2011 10:09 AM, SMITH29 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/2/2011 10:09 PM, Bill Shatzer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> SMITH29 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You know that Norway, Finland and Sweden are socialist states.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Finland is ranked first,
>>
>>>>> Sided with Nazi Germany
>>
>>>> You would have too if you had been invaded by the Soviet Union.
>>
>>> You into nazism? Wow.
>>
>> The US and Great Britain fought on the same side as the Soviet Union.
>>
>> Does that make us "into" Communism?
>
> Apparently,
To a moron like yourself anyway.
Mal Stromm
What you need is a steaming hot mug of "shut the fuck up".
Mal Stromm
> Pete10016 wrote:
>
>> On 7/26/2011 9:44 AM, Tracey12 wrote:
>>
>>> Glenn Beck is right. The island resort for kids in Oslo was being
>>> used by kids who were members of the Labor Party which is also who is
>>> in power in Oslo.
>>>
>>> If you have any understanding of European politics, you know that the
>>> Labor Party is the far left just as the democrat party in the USA has
>>> become the far left.
>>>
>>> Yet, truth has nothing to do with the scam the left is trying to play
>>> here in the USA. They hate Glenn Beck with a passion because he has
>>> turned a bright spotlight on them and has exposed their extreme
>>> radical views to the general public who had no idea how off the edge
>>> the democrat party has become.
>>>
>>> GLENN BECK IS A GREAT AMERICAN!
>>
>>
>> I couldn't agree more.
>
>> -All a student in the USA has to do is go to school to get the liberal
>> values shoved down their tender throats.
>
> You mean liberal values like social justice, compassion, equality,
> respect, kindness?
>
> Those seem like good values.
>
> peace and justice,
Gay marriage, denial of the Creator, worship of the Obamessiah, hatred
of capitalism, wealth redistribution, subservience to the
UN...yeah...great...
Mal Stromm
> Pete10016 wrote:
>
>> Standard of living is much lower than in most
>> other western countries.
>
> Per capita GDP (with world ranking)
>
> Norway: $84,444 (2)
> Denmark: $56,147 (6)
> Sweden: $48,875 (8)
>
> All off which are greater than the US.
>
> peace and justice,
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100627160314AA69u4b
What is the average salary in Norway?
Do you mean nett or gross? It depends on what's deducted, if someone's
employed or self employed and don't forget there is VAT of 14% on basic
foodstuffs. It's normal for people to have around 48% of their wages
deducted or asked for as tax and then if they have paid too much, they
will, in theory get it back some time. You can earn a very high wage in
Norway and have a terrible quality of life especially if you are ill. I
am currently involved with helping the UK recover the cost of treating
me in the UK after 4 failed attempts at getting treatment for an ailment
attributable to work in Norway, where I pay tax and social security
deductions. Many Norwegians find they have to leave Norway to get a
decent standard of living. The wages can be high but they need to be to
cover the basic costs of living.
Source(s):
lived in Norway many years
Veritas
Depends what kind of job you have...but I will tell you the tax in
Norway is 40 to 50% of what you earn.
Mal Stromm
> pilotis wrote:
>
>> On 08/03/2011 11:16 AM, Bluesfan2U wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/3/2011 10:09 AM, SMITH29 wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/2/2011 10:09 PM, Bill Shatzer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> SMITH29 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You know that Norway, Finland and Sweden are socialist states.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Finland is ranked first,
>
>>>> Sided with Nazi Germany
>
>>> You would have too if you had been invaded by the Soviet Union.
>
>> You into nazism? Wow.
>
> The US and Great Britain fought on the same side as the Soviet Union.
The Soviets supported Hitler.
Mal Stromm
No wonder.
Ally Long de Watschtauer
news:j1cmpr$vmi$2...@dont-email.me...
> pilotis wrote:
>
>
>> You into nazism? Wow.
>
> The US and Great Britain fought on the same side as the Soviet Union.
>
> Does that make us "into" Communism?
You do realize you're engaging your old pal "spammy" in this
discussion, right? And you know that old definition of insanity...
SMITH29
> SMITH29 wrote:
>
>> On 8/3/2011 5:06 PM, Bill Shatzer wrote:
>
>>> Those Swedish engineers managed to design and build Volvo motor trucks
>
>> Volvo is Chinese and they will rue the day they bought that socialist
>> turd.
>> FORD lost big on Volvo and couldn't dump it fast enough.
>
> Knock knock! Hello, McFly! Anybody home?
>
> It probably escaped your notice that Volvo trucks is not the same
> company as Volvo motorcars and haven't been for quite some time. Ford
> never held an interest in Volvo trucks.
Yes, I had forgot you were truck only in reference.
>
>>> and SAAB fighter planes.
>
>> BIG SELLER!!!!!
>> http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2011/02/23/353575/saab-aircraft-leasing-doubles-aircraft-transactions.html
>
>
> It likewise probably escaped your notice that the SAAB 340 is not a
> fighter plane.
No, but it's unimportant too.
>
> The SAAB Gripen is as good a fourth generation fighter as there is.
India didn't seem to think so.
> http://www.thelocal.se/33452/20110428/
You ought to run on down and buy a SAAB car. The dealers have enough
stock to last the rest of the year. Hurry so you can get one before they
start rusting too bad.
>
> I've no doubt SAAB could design and build an F-22-type if anyone could
> afford to buy it. But hell, even the US can't afford the F-22.
xxxx
SAAB would have to buy the avionics from us or Russia to compete.
Europe is behind us in avionics but Russia is quite good by now.
I have said for a long time that we should build aircraft more the way
the Russians do. They do more with less than anybody else and their
planes are extremely rugged and work in impossible conditions.
MiG-29 Fulcrum can take off on a gravel road. Please notice the big
tires on it for landing just about anywhere.
It easily executes the 150 degree King Cobra maneuver. And the Russian
pilots are very well trained.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeiqMn7xb_Y
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-ilcodoppc&feature=related
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VOFdXO929Q&feature=related
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SMITH29
People who buy into the Shangrila idea will never admit they are wrong.
I won't even attempt to rub your nose in the Commie shit but I do notice
you still live in the USA. People like you never get far from the tit.
Believe what you like while the rest snicker.
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Bill Shatzer
> On 8/3/2011 10:39 PM, Bill Shatzer wrote:
>> The SAAB Gripen is as good a fourth generation fighter as there is.
> India didn't seem to think so.
OTOH, the South Africans, Czechs, Hungarians, and Thais seem to think so.
And they've actually bought the Gripen rather than just thinking about it.
>> http://www.thelocal.se/33452/20110428/
> You ought to run on down and buy a SAAB car. The dealers have enough
> stock to last the rest of the year. Hurry so you can get one before they
> start rusting too bad.
Once again, you seem confused.
SAAB Aerospace is not the same company as SAAB AV.
>> I've no doubt SAAB could design and build an F-22-type if anyone could
>> afford to buy it. But hell, even the US can't afford the F-22.
> SAAB would have to buy the avionics from us or Russia to compete.
I believe the avionics are developed by Erikson.
> Europe is behind us in avionics but Russia is quite good by now.
> I have said for a long time that we should build aircraft more the way
> the Russians do. They do more with less than anybody else and their
> planes are extremely rugged and work in impossible conditions.
> MiG-29 Fulcrum can take off on a gravel road.
And the Gripen has STOL capabilities.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJQKCUjcslM
Impressive.
> Please notice the big
> tires on it for landing just about anywhere.
> It easily executes the 150 degree King Cobra maneuver.
Which is impressive for airshows but of marginal operational value. In
any event, the throughly obsolescent SAAB J-35 Draken is quite capable
of the cobra. I rather suspect the Gripen could do likewise if the
Swedes saw any value in training their pilots to do it.
While you're juking around with your airshow shit, the enemy will put an
AIM-120 up your tailpipe.
> And the Russian
> pilots are very well trained.
A handful of Russian pilots are well trained. The remainder are lucky if
they get two or three flights a season.
In case you've not noticed, the Russians are rather strapped for cash.
Bluesfan2U
And yet ANOTHER fact free response...
Why break your established precedent?
pilotis
pilotis
> A handful of Russian pilots are well trained. The remainder are lucky if
> they get two or three flights a season.
How long have you been a Russian?
pilotis
> Why break your established precedent?
When he should break your face....
SMITH29
> SMITH29 wrote:
>
>> On 8/3/2011 10:39 PM, Bill Shatzer wrote:
>
>>> The SAAB Gripen is as good a fourth generation fighter as there is.
>
>> India didn't seem to think so.
>
> OTOH, the South Africans, Czechs, Hungarians, and Thais seem to think so.
Small orders but business anyway.
>
> And they've actually bought the Gripen rather than just thinking about it.
>
>>> http://www.thelocal.se/33452/20110428/
>
>> You ought to run on down and buy a SAAB car. The dealers have enough
>> stock to last the rest of the year. Hurry so you can get one before
>> they start rusting too bad.
>
> Once again, you seem confused.
Not at all.
>
> SAAB Aerospace is not the same company as SAAB AV.
The Swedes make it so what if the Dutch own the company. You want a DAF?
>
>>> I've no doubt SAAB could design and build an F-22-type if anyone could
>>> afford to buy it. But hell, even the US can't afford the F-22.
>
>> SAAB would have to buy the avionics from us or Russia to compete.
>
> I believe the avionics are developed by Erikson.
So?
>
>> Europe is behind us in avionics but Russia is quite good by now.
>> I have said for a long time that we should build aircraft more the way
>> the Russians do. They do more with less than anybody else and their
>> planes are extremely rugged and work in impossible conditions.
>> MiG-29 Fulcrum can take off on a gravel road.
>
> And the Gripen has STOL capabilities.
I'll take two.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJQKCUjcslM
>
> Impressive.
>
>> Please notice the big tires on it for landing just about anywhere.
>> It easily executes the 150 degree King Cobra maneuver.
>
> Which is impressive for airshows but of marginal operational value. In
> any event, the throughly obsolescent SAAB J-35 Draken is quite capable
> of the cobra. I rather suspect the Gripen could do likewise if the
> Swedes saw any value in training their pilots to do it.
I know of no swedes doing it.
>
> While you're juking around with your airshow shit, the enemy will put an
> AIM-120 up your tailpipe.
Poor retort. Lacks credability.
>
>> And the Russian pilots are very well trained.
>
> A handful of Russian pilots are well trained. The remainder are lucky if
> they get two or three flights a season.
m00nbat drivel
>
> In case you've not noticed, the Russians are rather strapped for cash.
So are we but that doesn't stop the Blue Angels.
Word is they may shut it down, too expensive now that Obama-money is
more worthless than monopoly money.
>
>
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Bill Shatzer wrote:
And over 4,000 Americans have paid with their lives for that little
adventure. Plus a half a trillion dollars in national treasure
You might compare that with the number of lives lost on 9-11. Or the
economic injury incurred from that event.
It would have been cheaper in both lives and money to just suffer
another 9-11 every six or seven years.
Peace and justice,
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Capitalists, not American patriots. And capitalists are only
coincidently American.
Would American patriots sell our military defective helmets and body
armor? Capitalists certainly would - and have.
A better world is possible � a world where people come before profits.
That�s socialism. That�s our vision. We are the Communist Party USA.
"Capitalist" is just a high class word for "thief"
peace and justice,
Bill Shatzer
> On 8/4/2011 5:37 PM, Bill Shatzer wrote:
- snip -
>> Which is impressive for airshows but of marginal operational value. In
>> any event, the throughly obsolescent SAAB J-35 Draken is quite capable
>> of the cobra. I rather suspect the Gripen could do likewise if the
>> Swedes saw any value in training their pilots to do it.
>
> xxxx
> I know of no swedes doing it.
You need to get out more.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6b9_1202330622
peace and justice,
SMITH29
I don't know what plane that was but at high altitude it's far from low
level demonstration quality. The high altitude is to favor the pilot
should the thing go into a flat spin or the single engine stall. I
imagine with a single little engine a swede would bust out in a sweat if
asked to stand on the nozzle and roll it backwards with just the engine
thrust keeping it off the ground.
It's just unfair to compare the little swede plane to twin engine
fighters with thrust vectoring.
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