ACMA requested to investigate BPL interference
Stephen Newlyn
BPL at the war front
ACMA requested to investigate BPL interference
The extremely high level of interference experienced by radio amateur
Ian Paul VK3FIOP at Mt Beauty in north-east Victoria is now the subject
of a written complaint to the Australian Communications and Media
Authority.
He has exercised his right as the holder of an apparatus licence to lodge a
formal written complaint to ACMA about the interference.
Ian has a firm ground for doing so. The interference was confirmed as BPL,
its source known and substantial and harmful impact to this licensed amateur
service communications well documented.
The latest is that the BPL system operated by SP AusNet radiates 60dB over
S9 signal emissions over the entire 3.5 MHz to 30 MHz spectrum.
Ian VK3FIOP appears to be the first VK radio amateur to actually lodge a
formal complaint of interference to ACMA.
The amateur service, being a licensed radiocommunications service, is
protected from substantial interference under sections of the
Radiocommunications Act.
ACMA is the Authority responsible for administrating the provisions of the
Act and is required to investigate cases of interference when they are
reported.
Without complaints, BPL operators may be able to claim that the technology
is not cited in any formal way to have caused interference to
radiocommunications.
It is vitally important that any radio amateur affected by BPL interference
first verify that the interference is in fact caused by a BPL system, and
secondly lodge an effective interference complaint with ACMA.
Without a valid and effective interference complaint lodged with ACMA little
can be done.
The WIA provides a BPL interference advisory service to all radio amateurs -
whether they are WIA members and non-members.
Check out http://www.wia.org.au click BPL
I'm Jim Linton VK3PC and you're listening to VK1WIA.
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**Save the HF (Shortwave) Radio Spectrum! Eliminate Broadband over Power
Lines!!!
**Stephen Newlyn, VK5VKA. G'day from the City of Elizabeth, South Australia.
***Visit the "Stop BPL" page
http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~vk5vka/stopbpl.htm
****Visit my Home Page at http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~vk5vka/index.html
Steve/Aus
"Stephen Newlyn" <vkqruqr...@ihug.com.au> wrote in message
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> From WIANEWS 4 November 2006 Edition
>
> BPL at the war front
>
> ACMA requested to investigate BPL interference
>
>
> **Save the HF (Shortwave) Radio Spectrum! Eliminate Broadband over Power
> Lines!!!
> **Stephen Newlyn, VK5VKA. G'day from the City of Elizabeth, South
> Australia.
> ***Visit the "Stop BPL" page
> http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~vk5vka/stopbpl.htm
> ****Visit my Home Page at http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~vk5vka/index.html
Living in metropolitan Adelaide, you would be aware that there are many,
many urban areas that do not have access to aDSL broadband because they are
too far from an exchange or on a rim, or both. Various local governments
effectively stopped the roll-out of cable threatening to charge ridiculous
sums per pole for the privilege.
This leaves these suburbs with a communication system that is no better now
than it was 50 years ago.
To amateur radio operators, the importance of the shortwave spectrum is very
important, to those without a decent, useable internet connection, they can
not understand why they don't have the same privileges as those in
neighbouring suburbs.
Telstra has made it quite clear that the cost of making available an aDSL or
cable broadband connection to all suburbs is out of the question.
BPL is seen as a way to make broadband freely avaiable to all, but at the
cost of the shortwave spectrum.
I haven't visited your web page but have come across similar.
If BPL is stopped, and aDSL is too costly and the councils prevent cable
rollout, how do they get a broadband internet connection? Do they have the
same right to a broadband connection as those who do have it?
Is this issue being addressed. Can there be a 'win-win' solution?
Steve W (in Adelaide)
Simon Templar
> The BPL issue is going to be difficult to resolve.
> Living in metropolitan Adelaide, you would be aware that there are many,
> many urban areas that do not have access to aDSL broadband because they are
> too far from an exchange or on a rim, or both. Various local governments
> effectively stopped the roll-out of cable threatening to charge ridiculous
> sums per pole for the privilege.
> This leaves these suburbs with a communication system that is no better now
> than it was 50 years ago.
> To amateur radio operators, the importance of the shortwave spectrum is very
> important, to those without a decent, useable internet connection, they can
> not understand why they don't have the same privileges as those in
> neighbouring suburbs.
> Telstra has made it quite clear that the cost of making available an aDSL or
> cable broadband connection to all suburbs is out of the question.
> BPL is seen as a way to make broadband freely avaiable to all, but at the
> cost of the shortwave spectrum.
> I haven't visited your web page but have come across similar.
> If BPL is stopped, and aDSL is too costly and the councils prevent cable
> rollout, how do they get a broadband internet connection? Do they have the
> same right to a broadband connection as those who do have it?
> Is this issue being addressed. Can there be a 'win-win' solution?
> Steve W (in Adelaide)
The only effective way for these people to get ADSL or cable is for them
to band together and lobby the Government to force the issue.
To sit back and hope for an alternative that infringes on other's rights
is a little bit much to expect. Remember BPL also affects Police and
other Emergency Services HF communications as well.
--
The views I present are that of my own and NOT of any organisation I may
belong to.
73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
<http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/client_search.client_lookup?pCLIENT_NO=157452>
Pagey
"Simon Templar" <use...@vk3xem.net> wrote in message
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>
> To sit back and hope for an alternative that infringes on other's rights
> is a little bit much to expect. Remember BPL also affects Police and
> other Emergency Services HF communications as well.
Without saying this isn't an issue (which it is), there is no emeregncy
service in NSW which makes use of HF anymore for regular communications.
Kev
>
> The only effective way for these people to get ADSL or cable is for them
> to band together and lobby the Government to force the issue.
Why do you think the Govt is selling Telstra
they no longer have to deal with the issue
good luck persuading a private company to do something that will cost more
Kev
Steve/Aus
"Kev" <kev...@optunet.com.au> wrote in message
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Exactly right.
Maybe we can broadband over something else? Water pipes perhaps?
Steve W (Adelaide)
Kate
They already are. You haven't seen the LittlePuddle ads for wireless
broadband?
Kate vk4xyl
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bradvk2qq
Steve/Aus wrote:
Can there be a 'win-win' solution?
> Steve W (in Adelaide)
Win Win is to use a system like Unwired at 3.7GHz. Wifi directly in
your neighbourhood, antennas on the same power poles as the modem. The
same poles that the elec company was going to mount the BPL modems on.
You then have the ability to roam around the neighbourhood with your
laptop.
BPL is designed for the electric companies so that you remain plugged
in to them. Useless if you want to use a laptop to its full advantage.
Rob Adams
The Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service (AQIS) uses HF.
Rob.
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Pagey
"Rob Adams" <roba...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:56:26 +1100, "Pagey" <adpage@invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Simon Templar" <use...@vk3xem.net> wrote in message
>>news:454ed533$0$4669$61c6...@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au...
>>>
>>> To sit back and hope for an alternative that infringes on other's rights
>>> is a little bit much to expect. Remember BPL also affects Police and
>>> other Emergency Services HF communications as well.
>>
>>Without saying this isn't an issue (which it is), there is no emeregncy
>>service in NSW which makes use of HF anymore for regular communications.
>
> The Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service (AQIS) uses HF.
So do the defence forces, but neither are emegrency services.
atec77
>
You don't consider the Military an over riding imperative ?
Kev
Is there no Air-sea Rescue service in Victoria?
No Airservices traffic control?
No Navy/Airforce/Army?
Imagine a situation like the Sydney-Hobart race(was it 2000?)
where they all used HF for May Day calls etc, but if they couldn't be
heard by a shore station?
oh but we can't have people missing out on cheap (and nasty) internet
their lives depend upon fast porn downloads
Kev
Pagey
"atec77" <""atec77 \"@ hotmail.com"> wrote in message
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I would, and as I said above this is an issue which needs to be dealt with -
however, people continue to bring irrelevent and incorrect information to
the argument which smears all of us who are fighting this issue with
incompetency.
BPL does not effect police and emergency services in NSW - so why do people
continue to raise this issue. They should be concentrating on what effects
are really being caused and deal with these, not use the old "emergency
service" excuse.
atec77
the bpl would probably fail anyway but the emissions spewing forth can
and will have so many negative effects on services to this point
undiscovered , realistically there are much better ways and
notwithstanding the rejection by pretty much anywhere with a clue after
trial is the final comment don't you agree.
Tsunami Australia
Actually I'm aware of State Emergency Services units still using HF
communications. Their only other solution was a satphone.
Also I would class VKS737 as an emergency service of sorts,
technically it does provide a service in the case of an emergency. I
won't use RFDS as I think they've changed most of their stuff.
Rob Adams
The rural unof the NT Police certainly have HF radio whips fitted to
their cars, I havent been close enough to one to confirm there is a
radio 'in' the car to go with it.
Pagey
> On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 19:32:00 +1100, "Pagey" <adpage@invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Rob Adams" <roba...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>>news:je43l21lbtmlv4dtp...@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:56:26 +1100, "Pagey" <adpage@invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Simon Templar" <use...@vk3xem.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:454ed533$0$4669$61c6...@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au...
>>>>>
>>>>> To sit back and hope for an alternative that infringes on other's
>>>>> rights
>>>>> is a little bit much to expect. Remember BPL also affects Police and
>>>>> other Emergency Services HF communications as well.
>>>>
>>>>Without saying this isn't an issue (which it is), there is no emeregncy
>>>>service in NSW which makes use of HF anymore for regular communications.
>>>
>>> The Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service (AQIS) uses HF.
>>
>>So do the defence forces, but neither are emegrency services.
>
> The rural unof the NT Police certainly have HF radio whips fitted to
> their cars, I havent been close enough to one to confirm there is a
> radio 'in' the car to go with it.
They may very well do, but they are not in NSW :)
Pagey
I doubt in a 'real' emergency HF would become most important, as none of the
NSW emegrency services even have access to the equipment anymore - it's a
bit difficult to use the band if you aren't able to access it.
Pagey
"Tsunami Australia" <tsunami-underscore-australia-at-yahoo-dot-com-dot-au>
wrote in message news:nu64l29c9t2hqve0v...@4ax.com...
Not in NSW. It is no longer recognised as an official form of communication
for the Service.
atec77
what would you do if all commercial services are down ?
think 1974
atec77
Steve/Aus
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continued about metroplolitan Adelaide. I don't how we drifted Easterly so
quickly.
SW
Pagey
Use simplex, and operate locally - there would be no ability to just 'pop
down to the shops' and buy a couple of hundred HF sets and install them.
Where would they be purchased from? Who would install them? Who would pay
for them? Who would show people how to use them? Where talking about a major
emergency here - who is going to be able to do all that?
I'm not the one display a lack of consideration. Satellite comms would be
far more cost effective, use friendly and likely to be used.
> think 1974
Completely irrelevent to modern radio/satellite technology.
Pagey
Cite what? I said they didn't use this form of communication.
atec77
>
I see you dont have a clue sunshine , buhbye
Rob Adams
>I doubt in a 'real' emergency HF would become most important, as none of the
>NSW emegrency services even have access to the equipment anymore - it's a
>bit difficult to use the band if you aren't able to access it.
NSW != AUSTRALIA, there are parts of Australia that are not NSW.
Hell theres even parts of the Australian continent that arn't part of
Australia.
Rob Adams
Where, in the thread quoted above, is there any mention we are talking
about NSW?
Kev
this is why when the tsunami hit the countries surrounding the Bay Of
Bengal they had to resort to using Amateur HF/VHF equipment(and
personnel) to coordinate a lot of the rescue comms
because the satellite systems were overloaded and didn't work(probably
because due to TV taking up so much bandwidth)
Kev
Kev
Not only that
does HF interference from NSW stop at the border?
I'd bet that the western parts of NSW(out the back 'o Bourke) still
probably use HF
maybe not along the east coast
Kev
JB
In NSW, SES uses UHF. Even Tibooburra SES has a UHF PMR now. They have been
left a HF in the truck, but they have no one to speak to it.
NSWP still have HF base in VKG Tamworth but there is no one to talk to on
it. Cars at places at Tibooburra and Ivannoe have VHF only, and are fitted
with satphones. Ambos have HF base at Dubbo, but no one there I spoke to
yesterday has ever used it, they have PMRs where GRN does not cover, same
with NSWFB.
Whilst I like HF as it does not require infrastructure for long distance
comms, why would a government who has to justify spending thousands to
maintain a system they never use. Maybe bring back steam trains too as they
don't need diesel.
james brown
> their cars, I havent been close enough to one to confirm there is a
> radio 'in' the car to go with it.
>
> Rob.
The NT coppers now using sat phones, HF winding down
Marty
NSW SES are working on policy developed by those behind desks concerned only
with N.S.W. (Newcastle, Sydney, Wollongong). The truth is that outback
units/divisions do still have some HF gear as backup. Last I knew Dubbo
still had a HF set in the Division Comms Room. Add to that the fact that
numerous other states use the VKS737 HF network - see SA SES, SA Police, SA
Fire, SA Ambulance, NT Fire, etc, etc, and I think you will find that HF is
still very widely used by emergency services.
The last "valid" reason I was cited for NSW SES dumping HF was, and I quote
the former Deputy DG, "We have GRN now so why do we need HF?". Anyone that
actually knows radiocomms will see the immediate problem with that statement
and just how narrow minded it really is! Dumping HF in NSW SES was a
financial decision not a technical one - direct from the former Deputy
DG.....
Marty
Last time I was in Lightning Ridge the Highway Patrol cars that went right
out back all had HF whips fitted... As far as I know L/R is still in
NSW????
Marty
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>
> Steve/Aus wrote:
> Can there be a 'win-win' solution?
>> Steve W (in Adelaide)
>
> Win Win is to use a system like Unwired at 3.7GHz. Wifi directly in
> your neighbourhood, antennas on the same power poles as the modem. The
> same poles that the elec company was going to mount the BPL modems on.
> You then have the ability to roam around the neighbourhood with your
> laptop.
>
> BPL is designed for the electric companies so that you remain plugged
> in to them. Useless if you want to use a laptop to its full advantage.
>
EXACTLY!!! If they are going to spend big $$ bringing broadband into an
area, why not use the wireless options that have been proven to equal or
better BPL?? No interference concerns, and no need to be near a power point
either! win - win..
Oh, but that means that the power company may not have the monopoly doesn't
it? So that's why they wont look at it!!!
someone else
2 weeks ago in Canberra there was a meeting between ACMA, EMA (Emergency
Management Australia), ABC, Defence and other interested bodies to discus
exactly what HF services are still required, as ABC and other broadcasters
want more HF frequency allocations.
It was highlighted that ALL of the states Police and Emergency Services do
have and continue to use HF communications and that they intend to continue
that way because of the costs associated with Satellite services for remote
and PMR difficult area's. Whilst it might not be used evry day, it is used
"most" days for something. It is just that "everyone" wants to use
hand-held radios anywhere they go, so they throw (waste) all that money into
VHF/UHF networks to "try" and bring this about.
It seems silly to pursue BPL in area's where there is other infrastructure
available (Cable, ADSL, "Unwired" etc). and BPL doesn't work on "Long Line"
connections. You really have to wonder why Electricity Companies are wasting
their shareholders money - Hmm, maybe that's another tack ??
... Grumpy (in sunny / wet Canberra)
Pagey
"JB" <wayoutthere> wrote in message
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Exactly.
The simple point is that when arguments about BPL arise people always try to
bring up the untrue fact that the 'emergency services' will be effected. In
NSW, no emergency services will be effected.
Pagey
"Marty" <no...@none.none.no> wrote in message
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But you said youself Marty - HF was dumped by NSWSES.
Regardless if this was the wrong decision or not, they don't make use of
these bands anymore in NSW.
Pagey
> Pagey wrote:
>>
>
> I see you dont have a clue sunshine , buhbye
No, you don't understand that if they don't have access to HF gear, then
they can't use it.
It's pretty simple to understand.
Pagey
They haven't used HF is Lightening Ridge for years.
The last NSWP area to make use of HF was Tibooburra - and even these cars no
longer have HF sets installed.
Lightning Ridge may still be in NSW - but the police their don't use HF.
Marty
>> only with N.S.W. (Newcastle, Sydney, Wollongong). The truth is that
>> outback units/divisions do still have some HF gear as backup. Last I knew
>> Dubbo still had a HF set in the Division Comms Room. Add to that the
>> fact that numerous other states use the VKS737 HF network - see SA SES,
>> SA Police, SA Fire, SA Ambulance, NT Fire, etc, etc, and I think you will
>> find that HF is still very widely used by emergency services.
>>
>> The last "valid" reason I was cited for NSW SES dumping HF was, and I
>> quote the former Deputy DG, "We have GRN now so why do we need HF?".
>> Anyone that actually knows radiocomms will see the immediate problem with
>> that statement and just how narrow minded it really is! Dumping HF in
>> NSW SES was a financial decision not a technical one - direct from the
>> former Deputy DG.....
>
> But you said youself Marty - HF was dumped by NSWSES.
>
> Regardless if this was the wrong decision or not, they don't make use of
> these bands anymore in NSW.
>
Except for those few very outback Divisions that keep HF as a backup...
There are still a heap of HF licences issued to NSW SES for about 8 HF
frequencies, last renewed in April, so I seriously doubt that they are
paying for licenses that they have no equipment for! Just because the Units
nearer the coast have had HF removed does not mean that the entire NSW SES
has gone off HF totally.. Just because the Unit I was in had HF removed did
not mean that Division didn't retain HF, as I suspect is the case in many
places.
If they haven't then I'd be wondering why they still have over 60 avtive HF
Land Mobile System licences issued, each for about 8 HF frequencies...
Try an ACMA database search for VL2SES
Marty
No, but the point was that cars out that way HAVE HF installed... I have
seen the cars with HF antenna and sets still installed. Just because they
aren't used regularly does not mean they aren't used as a backup just in
case!
Have you been out there lately at all, personally?? Or are you working on
what you've been told by others?
>
>
Pagey
The SES, like all emergency services in NSW (ASNSW excepted) don't pay for
individual licence fees - only a token fee. Ever wondered why there are a
whole lot of frequncies licenced to the SES which arn't currently being
used? This is why - they don't pay for them. It's better to keep the
frequency/licence incase it is needed in the future, then to loose the
frequency/licence to another spectrum user.
An SES 'Region' (they aren't call Divisions anymore) may have an HF set
lying around, but regardless, it is no longer considered to be a form of
cimmunication used by the Service.
Pagey
The point is they DON'T have HF sets installed and heven't since the new VHF
systems were installed out where HF used to be used - and yes, I know this
as a fact. NSWP no longer install HF sets in vehicles.
Kev
>
> Exactly.
>
> The simple point is that when arguments about BPL arise people always try to
> bring up the untrue fact that the 'emergency services' will be effected. In
> NSW, no emergency services will be effected.
>
>
That's true they do bring it up
I don't use the Emergency Services
I use the fact that ALL international air flights over the oceans use HF
even when crossing parts of Australia HF is used
plenty of other aircraft us HF in the remote areas
Air-Sea Rescue/Coastguard listen on HF because most private boating uses
HF, HF was used during the rescue of the Sydney-Hobart race a few years ago
and as I said HF signals(interference included) does not stop at the border
BPL should only be used in underground power lines where any
interference will be greatly reduced
Kev
Pagey
>
>> Exactly.
>>
>> The simple point is that when arguments about BPL arise people always try
>> to bring up the untrue fact that the 'emergency services' will be
>> effected. In NSW, no emergency services will be effected.
>
> That's true they do bring it up
> I don't use the Emergency Services
> I use the fact that ALL international air flights over the oceans use HF
> even when crossing parts of Australia HF is used
>
> plenty of other aircraft us HF in the remote areas
Then these organisations that are receiving interference should be putting
submissions forward to the AMCA - not some half-baked organisation (enter
ACREM) that cannot even get its own facts correct.
In a submission to the Authority, ACREM stated that BPL will affect 'School
of the Air' as they make use of the HF bands. Maybe somebody should have
told them that School of the Air now makes use of satellite and Internet -
in fact, BPL would greatly benefit these children by given them better
access to the WWW.
ACREM also stated in several articles to news outlets that essential
emergency services (specifically citing the police and SES) would be
effected in NSW. Again untrue - the police and SES in NSW do not use HF
equipment for 'essential' services.
Who is ACREM? How many members do they have? Who are they speaking on behalf
of? I find it offensive that this organisation is batting for amateurs by
giving out completely false and misleading information.
I compare ACREM to the 'Pedestrian Council of Australia' - nothing more than
essentially a one-man show claiming to act on behalf of the majority.
Don't get me wrong - as an amateur operator for almost 10 years I do not
want BPL to destroy a hobby of mine. But it's bad enough that some
individuals are spreading untruths about BPL, we don't need some
organisation that claims to be acting on behalf of us all doing the same.
Match
"Pagey" <adpage@invalid> wrote in message
it selcalls a RFDS base.
Match
Rob Adams
<avolioREMOVE@cyberwizardsDotcomDotau> wrote:
>I use HF and I've got a red button on my codan, when used in an emergency,
>it selcalls a RFDS base.
What does it do when used in a non-emergency?
Steve/Aus
>
> NSW SES are working on policy developed by those behind desks concerned
> only with N.S.W. (Newcastle, Sydney, Wollongong). The truth is that
> outback units/divisions do still have some HF gear as backup. Last I knew
> Dubbo still had a HF set in the Division Comms Room. Add to that the fact
> that numerous other states use the VKS737 HF network - see SA SES, SA
> Police, SA Fire, SA Ambulance, NT Fire, etc, etc, and I think you will
> find that HF is still very widely used by emergency services.
>
Steve W (adelaide)
Steve/Aus
city suburb of Glebe was the place where wireless was being tested.
Steve W (adelaide)
bradvk2qq
Marty wrote:
> Oh, but that means that the power company may not have the monopoly doesn't
> it? So that's why they wont look at it!!!
weellll, still have to recharge the batteries somehow.
Marty
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From the current VKS737 user list (these need to be re-applied for every
year even for emergency groups, so no doubt someone thinks they are worth
the effort to lodge the relevant forms each year):
Ambulance (Vic) - St John Ambulance
Ambulance (WA) - St John Ambulance
Fire (NT) - Alice Springs
Fire (SA) - Chaffey & Mid Murray Bases
Fire (WA)
NT Police
SA Police - Adelaide (Comms, SAR, Traffic Support Svce, Aircraft, Major
Crash Investigation, Water Response)
SA Police - Booleroo, Bordertown, Burra, Ceduna, Cleve, Cockburn, Coober
Pedy, Cowell, Cummins, Elliston, Ernabella, Fregon, Goolwa, Hallett, Hawker,
Indulkana, Iron Knob, Karoonda, Keith, Kimba, Kingscote, Kingston, Lameroo,
Leigh Creek, Lock, Mannahill, Marla, Marree, McLaren Vale, Meningie, Mimili,
Minnipa, Mount Gambier, Oodnadatta, Orroro, Penong, Peterborough, Pinnaroo,
Pipalyatjara, Poochera, Port Augusta, Port Germein, Port Lincoln, Port
Pirie, Quorn, Renmark, Robe, Roxby Downs, Strathalbyn, Streaky Bay, Tumby
Bay, Victor Harbour, Whyalla, Woomera, Wudinna, Yalata, Yankalilla,
Yorketown & Yunta.
Vic Police - Melbourne (Comms, SAR, Air Wing, Water Police)
Vic Police - Apollo Bay, Belgrave, Bendoc, Bright, Buchan, Cann River,
Melbourne, Corryong, Dederang, Horsham, Jamieson, Kaniva, Mallacoota,
Mansfield, Marysville, Mildura, Mitta Mitta, Monbulk, Mt Beauty,
Murrayville, Myrtleford, Neerim South, Omeo, Orbost, Swifts Creek,
Underbool, Walwa, Warburton, Whitfield, Woods Point & Yarra Junction.
WA Police - Eucla, Perth, Wiluna.
NSW RFDS - Broken Hill & Jandakot
ACT SES
NT SES
SA SES - Ceduna, Whyalla, + a number marked Safecom
Vic SES - Cann River
WA SES - Albany, Australind, Boddington, Bremer, Bridgetown, Broome, Bruce
Rock, Bunbury, Busselton, Carnarvon, Collie, Coolgardie, Denmark, Derbie,
Donybrook, Dwellingup, Eneabba, Esperance, Eucla, Exmouth, Fitzroy Crossing,
Geraldton, Gnowangerup, Goomalling, Halls Creek, Harvey, Hyden, Jerramungup,
Kal/Boulder, Kalbarri, Coral Bay, Kalgoorlie, Karratha, Kondinin, Korda,
Kulin, Kununurra, Mandurah, Manjimup, Margaret River, Meekatharra, Merredin,
Midlands, Moora, Morawa, Mt Barker, Mundaring, Murray/Pinjarra, Nannup,
Narrogin, Newman, Norseman, Northam, Onslow, Pingelly, Port Hedland,
Ravensthorpe, Roebourne, Shark Bay, Tom Price, Trayning, Useless Loop,
Walpole, Waroona, Wickham, Wyndham & York.
Not sure what you think, but that's a fair few "emergency services" all
allocated current callsigns on a HF network.......................
>
>
Marty
> "Kev" <kev...@optunet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:4557315f$0$14299$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>
>>> Exactly.
>>>
>>> The simple point is that when arguments about BPL arise people always
>>> try to bring up the untrue fact that the 'emergency services' will be
>>> effected. In NSW, no emergency services will be effected.
>>
>> That's true they do bring it up
>> I don't use the Emergency Services
>> I use the fact that ALL international air flights over the oceans use HF
>> even when crossing parts of Australia HF is used
>>
>> plenty of other aircraft us HF in the remote areas
>
> Then these organisations that are receiving interference should be putting
> submissions forward to the AMCA - not some half-baked organisation (enter
> ACREM) that cannot even get its own facts correct.
>
This will be interesting, a half baked "poster" commenting on what he thinks
is half baked!
>
>
> In a submission to the Authority, ACREM stated that BPL will affect
> 'School of the Air' as they make use of the HF bands. Maybe somebody
> should have told them that School of the Air now makes use of satellite
> and Internet - in fact, BPL would greatly benefit these children by given
> them better access to the WWW.
Funny...
From the Alice Springs School of the Air website:
http://www.assoa.nt.edu.au/_COMMUNICATIONS/comms.html
"The HF radio is still the single most important tool in allowing daily
whole class or school interaction. Through this medium the school still
develops its sense of being a school - the ability to share news,
experiences, the good times, sad times, happy events and just say "G'day" is
still best served by our old friend "the radio".
From the Katherine School of the Air website
http://www.schools.nt.edu.au/ksa/
"Teachers in partnership with a colleague take three peer level radio
sessions per week. They also provide specialised sessions in literacy and
numeracy for English as a Second Language (ESL) students as well as conduct
on-air music and art lessons. Students are also encouraged to tune into
on-air assemblies, visiting special guests and Tournament of the Minds."
"Radio broadcasts are delivered directly from the school's studios using
specially assigned frequencies. The broadcast area because of the high
frequencies used means that we can be clearly heard as far away as Germany
and the Antarctic!"
From the "School of the Air" website
http://www.questacon.edu.au/html/school_of_the_air.html
"Gone are the days of the pedal radio, but School of the Air teachers still
use HF (high frequency) radio to provide lessons to their students."
So that's 3 SOTA sites that all say whilst satellite is used, HF radio still
plays an important role to school of the air. Any chance you can cite YOUR
source???
>
>
>
> ACREM also stated in several articles to news outlets that essential
> emergency services (specifically citing the police and SES) would be
> effected in NSW. Again untrue - the police and SES in NSW do not use HF
> equipment for 'essential' services.
>
At the time these submissions were written, NSW SES and Police still
utilised HF - I know that because *I* helped write the submissions and *I*
was at the time a Communications Officer, Trainer, Assessor and Subject
Matter Expert for Communications for the NSW SES, with connections to
outback SES Units not eastern ones. No use you saying that Police haven't
had HF fitted for years, because I have seen the cars with HF sets in them,
with Police markings, lights, sirens, the lot!!! Maybe not now, and
certainly way, way out west (hell you were even told that Tamworth VKG
*still* has a HF set, even if not used now I'm sure they would have gotten
rid of that in as many years as you are trying to say..) I will grant you
that, but certainly a few years ago there weree still some with HF, just as
there were still some SES Divisions with HF sets fitted to DHQ Comms Rooms.
>
>
> Who is ACREM? How many members do they have? Who are they speaking on
> behalf of? I find it offensive that this organisation is batting for
> amateurs by giving out completely false and misleading information.
>
>
And where did it say that ACREM was speaking for amateurs?? The WIA, who
represents far less than a majority of hams, does just that but I don't see
you whinging and whining about them. As for "who is ACREM", you obviously
are unable to read the website where all that information is provided.
Unlike you, kind sir or madam, they are not hiding behind any unknown
anonymous name but rather openly advising all who they are and what they do.
>
> I compare ACREM to the 'Pedestrian Council of Australia' - nothing more
> than essentially a one-man show claiming to act on behalf of the majority.
>
I compare you to an untrained monkey, but hey that's just my personal
opinion isn't it?
>
>
> Don't get me wrong - as an amateur operator for almost 10 years I do not
> want BPL to destroy a hobby of mine. But it's bad enough that some
> individuals are spreading untruths about BPL, we don't need some
> organisation that claims to be acting on behalf of us all doing the same.
Then maybe you should get INVOLVED in things and offer help, rather than
sitting here defaming a volunteer organisation that spends thousands of man
hours helping people, raises all its own money rather than getting given a
heap each year, and actively gets out there and makes an effort. ACREM
called for comments and help on a number of matters, including the BPL
submissions, ages ago and not very many people bothered to come forward, yet
when you disagree with what was said you want to criticise and defame the
good name of a public benevolent institution?
READ the subjects at hand, and learn about what you comment on. Last I knew
the Australian Federal Police operated in NSW as well as ACT and everywhere
else, and they commented on BPL and claimed that it would affect their HF
operations, so regardless of what VKG are doing BPL will still affect Police
in NSW!! AFP are Police, right??? They do operate in NSW still, don't
they? Or is NSW and different country these days?
ACREM, or "the one man band" as you kindly refer to it, is an organisation
that operates across 3 states and has been in operation for many, many
years. Perhaps you could justify your slanderous comments to their lawyer?
(then again, it really wouldn't be worth it would it, I doubt you'd have
anything to offer otherwise I'm sure you would have stepped forward long ago
and offered all these volunteer groups the benefit of your many years of
experience).
Still awaiting a real name and identity to back up your comments.....
Marty
Been trialed and succeeded in the USA where BPL systems were removed from
towns and replaced with wireless, antenna's mounted inside the street lights
apparently. We inherited BPL from the US so why not the better options??
Matt
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> 'School of the Air' as they make use of the HF bands. Maybe somebody
> should have told them that School of the Air now makes use of satellite
> and Internet - in fact, BPL would greatly benefit these children by given
> them better access to the WWW.
How would BPL do that? My understanding of BPL is that it is used for the
last couple of Km to the user and is not something that can be used over
long distances - certainly not the hundreds of km that would be needed for
the remote users.
> Don't get me wrong - as an amateur operator for almost 10 years I do not
> want BPL to destroy a hobby of mine. But it's bad enough that some
> individuals are spreading untruths about BPL, we don't need some
> organisation that claims to be acting on behalf of us all doing the same.
Agree, but with the lies that the pro BPL lobby regularly spread, a bit of
payback doesn't seem too bad - I mean it doesn't seem to have hurt the
credibility of the pro BPL lobby in the wider media when they are constantly
proven to have lied or at the very least, intentionally misled people......
Matt
Warren
Australia seems to be the dumping ground for all the obsolete US technology,
just look at the first crystal controlled CB radios that were dumped on the
Aussie market way back when CB first kicked off, we had garage doors opening
and closing, burglar alarms going off, hospital equipment going birko.
BPL will be another Government blunder comparable with the Cane Toad to
control Cane Beatles and Carp to control the weed in our freshwater creeks
and rivers, and we all know the results of those two little wonders, the
Gov certainly does have a damn good record for bad decisions.
Warren
A little info for Mr. Pagey, the Police Comms expert,check the link below,
go the bottom of each page and click next, take note of how many Outpost ,
Land Mobile etc. stations are CURRENTLY registered to the NSW Police , and
yes they are HF, while you're at it have a look at the School of the Air
list on the other URL, then you may post an apology here for all readers to
see,
<
http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/client_search.client_lookup?pCLIENT_NO=31823&pSORT_BY=&pOFFSET=300 >
< http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/register_search.search_dispatcher >
And here's another one, make sure you check out ALL the links, then come
back and tell us all what you've done in your 10 years of radio that
contributed something of value to the community,it obviously makes you
feel good to defame Volunteer Organisations
Warren
oops forgot to mention, type in , school of thate air , seems they have
current licenses, must still be on air hey?
< http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/register_search.search_dispatcher >
Client Search Results
Clients where any detail matches "school of the air".
Results 1 - 3 of 3 possible matches.
Client No Name Postal Address ACN / ABN
171537 Katherine School of the Air PO Box 531 KATHERINE NT
0851
417932 Alice Springs School of the Air PO Box 1220 ALICE
SPRINGS NT 0871
11946 Education Department of NSW PO Box 405 BROKEN HILL NSW
2880
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Simon Templar
Warren <NoSpam...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> Australia seems to be the dumping ground for all the obsolete US
technology,
Australia is also the dumbing ground for Europe too, just look at
LIPDs on 433 MHz!
73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
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Warren
G'day Simon,
Yep that's right, another one that could be a potential
pain in the butt is the h/h being sold on eBay, like," No License Required,
400 to 470, 5 W walkie Talkies, ideal for Camping, Fishing, Caravanning",
well that's what the add said, these are being sold no questions asked,
they are great little radios,just a pity any Tom, Dick, or Harry can buy
them. should only be sold to people with either an Amateur Licenses or the
appropriate license for the frequencies being operated on , I wonder how the
Business operators will react when they hear strangers TXing on their
private paid frequencies, the add did say, no license required, goes to show
the Government Departments simply doesn't know what's being imported into
the country, or maybe they just turn a blind eye until it's too late, eBay
certainly don't give a rat's bum what they sell, last night at our Club
meeting I found out something I wasn't aware of, and that is, all Commercial
radios operating in Australia must have a maximum output power NOT exceeding
25 Watts, unless used for Repeaters, any Commercial radio being operated as
mobile or base that exceeds 25 Watts is illegal, look at all the ones being
sold on eBay, some as high as 110W , now wait for all the Flamers out there
to attack :-) ,
Cheers,
Warren
Warren
Looks like the people here are doing a good job at educating the general
public :-)
< http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=482649 >
Kev
> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 05:21:24 +1000, "Match"
> <avolioREMOVE@cyberwizardsDotcomDotau> wrote:
>
>
>>I use HF and I've got a red button on my codan, when used in an emergency,
>>it selcalls a RFDS base.
>
>
> What does it do when used in a non-emergency?
>
> Rob.
>
>
Kev
Match
correct
Match
Rob Adams
<NoSpam-><NoC...@yahoo.com.au>> wrote:
>Australia seems to be the dumping ground for all the obsolete US technology,
>just look at the first crystal controlled CB radios that were dumped on the
>Aussie market way back when CB first kicked off, we had garage doors opening
>and closing, burglar alarms going off, hospital equipment going birko.
You cant blame the CB radio for devices going wierd when a signal they
wernt designed for kicked up right next door, clearly the garage doors
were faulty, not the CB radio.
atec77#
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Actually I'm aware of State Emergency Services units still using HF
>>>> communications. Their only other solution was a satphone.
>>> Not in NSW. It is no longer recognised as an official form of
>>> communication for the Service.
>> Cite ?
>
> Cite what? I said they didn't use this form of communication.
but they do
>
>
so you make an untrue statement and wont back it up
troll
atec77#
> "Marty" <no...@none.none.no> wrote in message
>>> Lightning Ridge may still be in NSW - but the police their don't use HF.
>> No, but the point was that cars out that way HAVE HF installed... I have
>> seen the cars with HF antenna and sets still installed. Just because they
>> aren't used regularly does not mean they aren't used as a backup just in
>> case!
>
> The point is they DON'T have HF sets installed and heven't since the new VHF
> systems were installed out where HF used to be used - and yes, I know this
> as a fact. NSWP no longer install HF sets in vehicles.
However your wrong and we can all see it
you have failed to build any supporting truth into your claims which
are about as silly as claiming just because the contents disappear from
your bathroom when flushed they don't fall into the ocean at Bondi or
similar .
you sport are a dickhead.
>
>
>
atec77#
wireless through the council.
BuNtEr
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>
> "atec77" <""atec77 \"@ hotmail.com"> wrote in message
> news:4551c553$0$4672$61c6...@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au...
>> Pagey wrote:
>>> "Rob Adams" <roba...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>>> news:je43l21lbtmlv4dtp...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:56:26 +1100, "Pagey" <adpage@invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Simon Templar" <use...@vk3xem.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:454ed533$0$4669$61c6...@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au...
>>>>>> To sit back and hope for an alternative that infringes on other's
>>>>>> rights
>>>>>> is a little bit much to expect. Remember BPL also affects Police and
>>>>>> other Emergency Services HF communications as well.
>>>>> Without saying this isn't an issue (which it is), there is no
>>>>> emeregncy
>>>>> service in NSW which makes use of HF anymore for regular
>>>>> communications.
>>>> The Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service (AQIS) uses HF.
>>>
>>> So do the defence forces, but neither are emegrency services.
>> You don't consider the Military an over riding imperative ?
>
> I would, and as I said above this is an issue which needs to be dealt
> with - however, people continue to bring irrelevent and incorrect
> information to the argument which smears all of us who are fighting this
> issue with incompetency.
>
> BPL does not effect police and emergency services in NSW - so why do
> people continue to raise this issue. They should be concentrating on what
> effects are really being caused and deal with these, not use the old
> "emergency service" excuse.
>
>
BuNtEr
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>
> "atec77" <""atec77 \"@ hotmail.com"> wrote in message
> news:4551ed07$0$4666$61c6...@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au...
>> If there was a real emergency then hf would become most important , mind
>> the bpl would probably fail anyway but the emissions spewing forth can
>> and will have so many negative effects on services to this point
>> undiscovered , realistically there are much better ways and
>> notwithstanding the rejection by pretty much anywhere with a clue after
>> trial is the final comment don't you agree.
>
> I doubt in a 'real' emergency HF would become most important, as none of
> the NSW emegrency services even have access to the equipment anymore -
> it's a bit difficult to use the band if you aren't able to access it.
>
>
BuNtEr
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>
> "atec77" <""atec77 \"@ hotmail.com"> wrote in message
> news:45528e00$0$4668$61c6...@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au...
>> Your comments explicitly display a lack of consideration of information
>>
>> what would you do if all commercial services are down ?
>
> Use simplex, and operate locally - there would be no ability to just 'pop
> down to the shops' and buy a couple of hundred HF sets and install them.
> Where would they be purchased from? Who would install them? Who would pay
> for them? Who would show people how to use them? Where talking about a
> major emergency here - who is going to be able to do all that?
>
> I'm not the one display a lack of consideration. Satellite comms would be
> far more cost effective, use friendly and likely to be used.
>
>> think 1974
>
> Completely irrelevent to modern radio/satellite technology.
>
>
BuNtEr
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>
> "atec77" <""atec77 \"@ hotmail.com"> wrote in message
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>
> "Tsunami Australia" <tsunami-underscore-australia-at-yahoo-dot-com-dot-au>
> wrote in message news:nu64l29c9t2hqve0v...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 00:50:21 +1100, "Pagey" <adpage@invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"atec77" <""atec77 \"@ hotmail.com"> wrote in message
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> "atec77" <""atec77 \"@ hotmail.com"> wrote in message
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"Pagey" <adpage@invalid> wrote in message
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>
> "Marty" <no...@none.none.no> wrote in message
> news:455660fa$1...@news.iprimus.com.au...
>> NSW SES are working on policy developed by those behind desks concerned
>> only with N.S.W. (Newcastle, Sydney, Wollongong). The truth is that
>> outback units/divisions do still have some HF gear as backup. Last I knew
>> Dubbo still had a HF set in the Division Comms Room. Add to that the
>> fact that numerous other states use the VKS737 HF network - see SA SES,
>> SA Police, SA Fire, SA Ambulance, NT Fire, etc, etc, and I think you will
>> find that HF is still very widely used by emergency services.
>>
>> The last "valid" reason I was cited for NSW SES dumping HF was, and I
>> quote the former Deputy DG, "We have GRN now so why do we need HF?".
>> Anyone that actually knows radiocomms will see the immediate problem with
>> that statement and just how narrow minded it really is! Dumping HF in
>> NSW SES was a financial decision not a technical one - direct from the
>> former Deputy DG.....
>
> But you said youself Marty - HF was dumped by NSWSES.
>
> Regardless if this was the wrong decision or not, they don't make use of
> these bands anymore in NSW.
>
>
BuNtEr
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>
> "Marty" <no...@none.none.no> wrote in message
> news:4556cfe8$1...@news.iprimus.com.au...
>> "Pagey" <adpage@invalid> wrote in message
>> news:4556a849$0$23531$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>>
>>> "Marty" <no...@none.none.no> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> NSW SES are working on policy developed by those behind desks concerned
>>>> only with N.S.W. (Newcastle, Sydney, Wollongong). The truth is that
>>>> outback units/divisions do still have some HF gear as backup. Last I
>>>> knew Dubbo still had a HF set in the Division Comms Room. Add to that
>>>> the fact that numerous other states use the VKS737 HF network - see SA
>>>> SES, SA Police, SA Fire, SA Ambulance, NT Fire, etc, etc, and I think
>>>> you will find that HF is still very widely used by emergency services.
>>>>
>>>> The last "valid" reason I was cited for NSW SES dumping HF was, and I
>>>> quote the former Deputy DG, "We have GRN now so why do we need HF?".
>>>> Anyone that actually knows radiocomms will see the immediate problem
>>>> with that statement and just how narrow minded it really is! Dumping
>>>> HF in NSW SES was a financial decision not a technical one - direct
>>>> from the former Deputy DG.....
>>>
>>> But you said youself Marty - HF was dumped by NSWSES.
>>>
>>> Regardless if this was the wrong decision or not, they don't make use of
>>> these bands anymore in NSW.
>>>
>>
>> Except for those few very outback Divisions that keep HF as a backup...
>>
>> There are still a heap of HF licences issued to NSW SES for about 8 HF
>> frequencies, last renewed in April, so I seriously doubt that they are
>> paying for licenses that they have no equipment for! Just because the
>> Units nearer the coast have had HF removed does not mean that the entire
>> NSW SES has gone off HF totally.. Just because the Unit I was in had HF
>> removed did not mean that Division didn't retain HF, as I suspect is the
>> case in many places.
>>
>> If they haven't then I'd be wondering why they still have over 60 avtive
>> HF Land Mobile System licences issued, each for about 8 HF frequencies...
>>
>> Try an ACMA database search for VL2SES
>
> The SES, like all emergency services in NSW (ASNSW excepted) don't pay for
> individual licence fees - only a token fee. Ever wondered why there are a
> whole lot of frequncies licenced to the SES which arn't currently being
> used? This is why - they don't pay for them. It's better to keep the
> frequency/licence incase it is needed in the future, then to loose the
> frequency/licence to another spectrum user.
>
> An SES 'Region' (they aren't call Divisions anymore) may have an HF set
> lying around, but regardless, it is no longer considered to be a form of
> cimmunication used by the Service.
>
>
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>
> "Rob Adams" <roba...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 19:32:00 +1100, "Pagey" <adpage@invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Rob Adams" <roba...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>>>news:je43l21lbtmlv4dtp...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:56:26 +1100, "Pagey" <adpage@invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Simon Templar" <use...@vk3xem.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:454ed533$0$4669$61c6...@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To sit back and hope for an alternative that infringes on other's
>>>>>> rights
>>>>>> is a little bit much to expect. Remember BPL also affects Police and
>>>>>> other Emergency Services HF communications as well.
>>>>>
>>>>>Without saying this isn't an issue (which it is), there is no emeregncy
>>>>>service in NSW which makes use of HF anymore for regular
>>>>>communications.
>>>>
>>>> The Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service (AQIS) uses HF.
>>>
>>>So do the defence forces, but neither are emegrency services.
>>
>> The rural unof the NT Police certainly have HF radio whips fitted to
>> their cars, I havent been close enough to one to confirm there is a
>> radio 'in' the car to go with it.
>
> They may very well do, but they are not in NSW :)
>
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> "JB" <wayoutthere> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Kev" <kev...@optunet.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:4553023d$0$15890$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>> Rob Adams wrote:
>>> > Where, in the thread quoted above, is there any mention we are talking
>>> > about NSW?
>>> >
>>> > Rob.
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> Not only that
>>> does HF interference from NSW stop at the border?
>>>
>>> I'd bet that the western parts of NSW(out the back 'o Bourke) still
>>> probably use HF
>>>
>>> maybe not along the east coast
>>>
>>>
>>> Kev
>>
>> In NSW, SES uses UHF. Even Tibooburra SES has a UHF PMR now. They have
>> been
>> left a HF in the truck, but they have no one to speak to it.
>>
>> NSWP still have HF base in VKG Tamworth but there is no one to talk to on
>> it. Cars at places at Tibooburra and Ivannoe have VHF only, and are
>> fitted
>> with satphones. Ambos have HF base at Dubbo, but no one there I spoke to
>> yesterday has ever used it, they have PMRs where GRN does not cover, same
>> with NSWFB.
>>
>> Whilst I like HF as it does not require infrastructure for long distance
>> comms, why would a government who has to justify spending thousands to
>> maintain a system they never use. Maybe bring back steam trains too as
>> they
>> don't need diesel.
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> "Kev" <kev...@optunet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:4557315f$0$14299$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>
>>> Exactly.
>>>
>>> The simple point is that when arguments about BPL arise people always
>>> try to bring up the untrue fact that the 'emergency services' will be
>>> effected. In NSW, no emergency services will be effected.
>>
>> That's true they do bring it up
>> I don't use the Emergency Services
>> I use the fact that ALL international air flights over the oceans use HF
>> even when crossing parts of Australia HF is used
>>
>> plenty of other aircraft us HF in the remote areas
>
> Then these organisations that are receiving interference should be putting
> submissions forward to the AMCA - not some half-baked organisation (enter
> ACREM) that cannot even get its own facts correct.
>
>
>
> In a submission to the Authority, ACREM stated that BPL will affect
> 'School of the Air' as they make use of the HF bands. Maybe somebody
> should have told them that School of the Air now makes use of satellite
> and Internet - in fact, BPL would greatly benefit these children by given
> them better access to the WWW.
>
>
>
> ACREM also stated in several articles to news outlets that essential
> emergency services (specifically citing the police and SES) would be
> effected in NSW. Again untrue - the police and SES in NSW do not use HF
> equipment for 'essential' services.
>
>
>
> Who is ACREM? How many members do they have? Who are they speaking on
> behalf of? I find it offensive that this organisation is batting for
> amateurs by giving out completely false and misleading information.
>
>
>
> I compare ACREM to the 'Pedestrian Council of Australia' - nothing more
> than essentially a one-man show claiming to act on behalf of the majority.
>
>
>
BuNtEr
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> "Marty" <no...@none.none.no> wrote in message
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>> "Pagey" <adpage@invalid> wrote in message
>> news:45525f3a$0$5106$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>>
>>> "Rob Adams" <roba...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>>> news:sim4l2dhst81q278i...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 19:32:00 +1100, "Pagey" <adpage@invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Rob Adams" <roba...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>>news:je43l21lbtmlv4dtp...@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:56:26 +1100, "Pagey" <adpage@invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Simon Templar" <use...@vk3xem.net> wrote in message
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To sit back and hope for an alternative that infringes on other's
>>>>>>>> rights
>>>>>>>> is a little bit much to expect. Remember BPL also affects Police
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> other Emergency Services HF communications as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Without saying this isn't an issue (which it is), there is no
>>>>>>>emeregncy
>>>>>>>service in NSW which makes use of HF anymore for regular
>>>>>>>communications.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service (AQIS) uses HF.
>>>>>
>>>>>So do the defence forces, but neither are emegrency services.
>>>>
>>>> The rural unof the NT Police certainly have HF radio whips fitted to
>>>> their cars, I havent been close enough to one to confirm there is a
>>>> radio 'in' the car to go with it.
>>>
>>> They may very well do, but they are not in NSW :)
>>
>> Last time I was in Lightning Ridge the Highway Patrol cars that went
>> right out back all had HF whips fitted... As far as I know L/R is still
>> in NSW????
>
> They haven't used HF is Lightening Ridge for years.
>
> The last NSWP area to make use of HF was Tibooburra - and even these cars
> no longer have HF sets installed.
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