7/8-year-olds Rape & Murder 11-year-old
Ohnoapr
Maureen Downey writes:
"But some child psychologits suggest that if the charges prove true, something
had to have gon terribly wrong in the boys' short lives to cause them to commit
these gruesome acts...Weaned on cartoonish images of violence where nobody
really dies, they may not realize the permanence of death..."
Yeah right Maureen, blame it on cartoons. Anyone else, think these kids are
acting out family incest or child molestation? What child learns rape from
cartoons? Then there's SouthPark.....
Cynicatoria
Little boys are raping and murdering girls, and we have Fathers' Rights group
leaders, advocating rape and violence against women and incest with children...
Children need. . . THIS?
THE FATHERS RIGHTS MOVEMENT: IN THEIR OWN WORDS
<Picture>" ...proof in itself why the rest of us NEED GUNS!
We need them to KILL people who want to MOVE our money into the pockets of the
criminals (like her) who want to take our money to foster her immoral ideas of
how a society should be.
Let's make no mistake about why assholes like her want to see our guns taken
away."
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:33:48 -0700 From: Gary Clark
<Ga...@words-that-work.org> To: Fathers Manifesto <mani...@iname.com> Cc: liz
<l...@gate.net>, Fathers' Manifesto <fat...@web.liberty.com>, Mark Hall
<mark...@rocketmail.com> Subject: Re: SMH
Gary Clark
WORDS THAT WORK PUBLICATIONS, INC.
ga...@words-that-work.org
wtw...@ix.netcom.com
Las Vegas, NV
Think this is a joke? It's not. Read on . . .
<Picture>
PAIDIKA: Is choosing paedophilia for you a responsible choice for the
individual?
"Certainly it is responsible... Paedophiles can boldly and courageously affirm
what they choose. They can say that what they want is to find the best way to
love. I am also a theologian, and as a theologian, I believe it is God's will
that there be closeness and intimacy, unity of the flesh, between people. A
paedophile can say: "This closeness is possible for me within the choices that
I've made."
"Paedophiles are too defensive.... With boldness they can say, 'I believe this
is in fact part of God's will.'
PAIDIKA: You are speaking mostly about paedophiles in the U.S. What tack should
they take given the societal attitudes? What solutions do you envision for
their lives?
"The solution I'm suggesting is that paedophiles become much more positive.
They should directly attack the concept, the image, the picture of the
paedophile as an evil, wicked, and reprehensible exploiter of children...
"I was in the courtroom for the case that Holly just cited and I actually heard
the prosecutor say, 'No man should ever be permitted to claim as an excuse that
he was just being affectionate when a child says they were uncomfortable.'
"I don't know; I don't think, we can just label these attitudes 'hysteria.'
Perhaps 'madness' is better, or 'pathology.' What we see going on in the United
States is the most vitriolic and virulent anti-sexuality I know of in our
history."
RALPH UNDERWAGER, Ph.D
<Picture: The Influence of Underwager>Read the whole interview in:
PAIDIKA: The Journal of Paedophilia
Vol.3, No. 1, Issue 9, Winter 1993, Netherlands.
MORE...
"Just how the shit would YOU know? Were you raped as a child? ... You are one
clueless bimbo...
"BTW, are your panteis in a bunch about the "Seinfeld Case" in Milwaukee? Bet
you'll walk bowllegged for a year on that one. $26.6 MILLION Miller will have
to pay out, and the broad another $1.5 MILLION for being a bitch! HA HA! We
FRstersd are coming to get you HA HA!
"... there are TWO lying broads to every one who tells the truth! Just all in
how you want to look at the stats. I really lopve it whjen Femiwhackos like
you MAKE UP statistics! I love craming them right up your ass! The biggest
nightmare you have is when I ACCEPT your fabricated stats!
"BULLSHIT! You sure can turn a phrase Liz."
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 19:19:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Pa...@aol.com To:
l...@gate.net Cc: Dean...@aol.com Subject: Re: Questions About Divorce &
Custody Nobody Asks
KEN PANGBORN
THE "A-TEAM"
WITH DEAN TONG
SIGNER, FATHER'S MANIFESTO--
THE POLITICAL PLATFORM TO REPEAL WOMEN'S RIGHT TO VOTE
[Wearing his Father's Manifesto poloshirt.]
"Very eloquently and succinctly stated, Gary! "There is no reason to dance
around the issue. We are dealing with a slut who must be treated like and
called a slut. The word 'slut' has a very important meaning, and it was
developed to describe people just like Liz."<Picture>
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:04:34 +0600 From: Fathers Manifesto
<mani...@iname.com> To: Gary Clark <Ga...@words-that-work.org> Cc: liz
<l...@gate.net>, Fathers' Manifesto <fat...@web.liberty.com>, Mark Hall
<mark...@rocketmail.com> Subject: SMH
"... it is the act of adultery which led to the psychological problems which
brought the majority ... of those criminals to death row in the first place...
this would put about 10.5 million American wives on death row. Everything is
feminists' fault."
Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 03:05:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Fathers' Manifesto
<fat...@web.liberty.com> To: Asherah <Ash...@aol.com> Cc:
wel...@ix.netcom.com, s...@postal.c-zone.net, l...@gate.net Subject: Re: common
thread
"It is time to update our data base regarding the state of the 19th
Amendment... the last survey... on women's suffrage resulted in 80% of us
advocating (in confidentiality) the repeal of this Amendment. This survey also
will be held in confidence, so feel free to "vote your heart..."
http://fathers.zq.com/home3.htm
<Picture: liz on: Wade Horn on The Importance of Being Father>DANIEL AMNEUS aka
JOHN KNIGHT
aka MARK HALL aka ART BOOKS
author of THE FATHERS MANIFESTO--
THE POLITICAL PLATFORM TO REPEAL WOMEN'S RIGHT TO VOTE
Author of The Garbage Generation
<Picture>"family sex."
" The VAWA and VAWA II are blatant violations of the 14th Amendment..."
"We have forgotten that before we began calling this date rape... we called it
exciting."
"...millions of people who are now refraining from touching, holding, and
genitally caressing their children, when that is really part of a caring,
loving expression, are repressing the sexuality of a lot of children and
themselves."
as quoted in December 1977 Penthous article, "Incest: The Last Taboo," by
Philip Nobile
WARREN FARRELL, Ph.D.
Author of The Liberated Man and Myth of Male Power
ADVISOR TO F.R.E.E. Fathers Rights and Equality Exchange
Board of Directors, National Congress of Fathers and Children
Board of Directors Children's Rights Council
Supporter of and and ideological icon of AFC aka ACFC (Stu Miller et al.
father's rights lobbyists)
Against the Violence Against Women Act (VAWA)
"The New Jersey Supreme Court executed a father because he wanted to accept his
parental responsibilities... Alan Gubernat shot himself and his three-year-old
son...
"Feminist women have almost completely destroyed the family and all associated
with it that is holy. The Bible clearly states that the fathers are to be the
head of the household. This is not to mention the Magna Carte, upon which all
of our constitutions and institutions are founded. But the government, with its
judicial henchmen, have propagated upon society a system that is diametrically
opposed to the Word of God...
<Picture>"It is interesting to note, not only the outrageousness of the NJ
decision, but the gradual "move forward" in the judiciary's attitudes, whereby
women are no longer disgraced by bearing children outside of wedlock, men are.
Men are also vilified by the Pimp and the Vice-Pimp of the United States. No
longer are men warned not to fall victim to the wiles of "loose women."...
"...did a penis just fall out of the sky and impregnate you..."
Ranting on F.R.E.E.'s bit-listserve after unwed noncustodial father, Alan
Gubernat, murdered his 3 year old son for the reason that the New Jersey
Supreme Court would not let him change the boy's last name. More...
Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 20:18:51 -0400 From: Stuart Miller
<smi...@CapAccess.org> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.free-l
STUART MILLER
<Picture: Litany for Fathers>SIGNER (AMONG OTHER AFC MEMBERS), THE
"FATHER'S MANIFESTO" --
THE POLITICAL PLATFORM TO REPEAL WOMEN'S RIGHT TO VOTE
ACFC "AMERICAN COALITION OF FATHERS AND CHILDREN"
AFA "AMERICAN FATHERS ALLIANCE"
MEN'S RIGHTS LOBBYISTS AGAINST WELFARE, CHILD SUPPORT, VAWA, MOTHERS
"If you go to jail, we will kick their butt so hard that they will be sorry
ever messed with you!!! Our advice to you Stuart? Please accept their
"sentence" and go to jail! You will immediately be considered a political
prisoner, and we will file a claim with the United Nations on behalf of all
fathers in America...
"Stu, you got our words that we will publicize the heck out of this. "
Brouhaha on F.R.E.E.'s bit-listserve after Stuart Miller wrote that the judge
in his divorce case was threatening to throw him in jail for contempt of court.
More...
Subject: Put Stu in Jail and We Kick Your Butt From: f...@ELECTRICITI.COM Date:
1995/06/03 Message-Id: <m0sHxIK...@powergrid.electriciti.com> Sender:
"Fathers' Rights and Equality Exchange"
SHARAD SHARIF
SIGNER,THE "FATHER'S MANIFESTO" -- THE POLITICAL PLATFORM TO REPEAL
WOMEN'S RIGHT TO VOTE
FOUNDER, FAMILY GUARDIAN NETWORK
FAMILY GUARDIAN JOURNAL
San Diego, CA
<Picture>
If you see no picture, or a strange picture, it's just RB evading your browser.
"Would you have the name of that judge handy? And perhaps a residence? Or a
phone number? A little education is in order. RB"
Bigshottism or a veiled threat to a judge on F.R.E.E.'s bit-listserve after
Stuart Miller wrote that the judge in his divorce case was threatening to throw
him in jail for contempt of court. More...
Subject: Re: Stu in Jail? From: ric...@bennett.com (Richard Bennett) Date:
1995/06/11 Message-Id: <3rdj4u$d...@news1.best.com> References:
Pine.3.07.9506031...@cap1.capaccess.org>
"Governor Wilson signed SB 509 into law late last night... The femaroids fought
this measure tooth and nail, resorting to dirty tricks at every step of the
process... But this year we drew the line on domestic violence legislation by
killing a bill granting custody to victims automatically, we ended welfare as
we used to know it, and we ended lifetime alimony... "
Subj: The End of Idleness Date: Tue, Oct 1, 1996 4:31 PM EDT From:
TALK...@TAMVM1.TAMU.EDU X-From: Ric...@BENNETT.COM
<Picture>THE USUAL SUSPECTS
RICHARD BENNETT
ORIGINAL SIGNER #147, THE FATHER'S MANIFESTO
COPS "COALITION OF PARENT SUPPORT"
A FATHER'S RIGHTS LOBBYING GROUP THAT POSES AS "MODERATE"
AFFILIATED WITH NCFC "NATIONAL CONGRESS FOR FATHERS AND CHILDREN"
ALSO NOW AFFILIATED WITH ACFC "AMERICAN COALITION OF FATHERS AND CHILDREN"
Cupertino, CA
''What I am against is the excessively moralistic and punitive reaction that
many members of our society have toward pedophiles ... (going) far beyond what
I consider to be the gravity of the crime.''
"...there is a bit of pedophilia in every one of us."
Sex Abuse Hysteria: Salem Witch Trials Revisited
Creskill, NJ, Creative Therapeutics, 1991. p. 118.
RICHARD A. GARDNER, M.D.
<Picture: GARDNER'S THREAT THERAPY: Did it Kill This Child?>POPULARIZED "PAS"
PARENTAL ALIENATION SYNDROME,
a "diagnosis" generally applied to mothers who accuse fathers
CREATIVE THERAPEUTICS
Cresskill, NJ
"There is every reason for men to feel threatened... if only a few
"top-quality" males... remain in the gene pool due to the reproductive choices
of women, regular guys do not get to perpetuate themselves into the next
generation....
"Advocacy of lesbian childrearing practices and single motherhood as a
desirable life-style choice undermines fatherhood. ...
"Government is usurping the role of fathers/husbands... providing low/no-income
women a financial security blanket, while forcing men to pay for it without
receiving the benefit of the a wife's company and services in return, a
necessary element in the traditional marriage contract...
"As to "lack of men to fill the role" this is also in part a function of
mate-selection and family formation behavior on the part of women. This is
virtually never mentioned in the literature and in the public debate.
"The loosening of constraints on the sexual and reproductive behavior of women
is in part responsible for paternal "irresponsibility". Secondly, the rejection
of monogamy by women combined with no-fault divorce...
"Specifically, husbands no longer enjoy an assurance of a monogomous sexual
relationship with the wife... not even a right to be informed of an abortion,
much less a veto...
<Picture>"The husband's claim on the wife's love is no longer recognized at
all. Worse, it has been criminalized and is now known as "marital rape".
"Even a mere effort to maintain the nonsexual aspects of consortium can now
land a man in jail for violation of a restraining or protective order, on
charges of harassment, or for committing the new crime de jour, stalking.
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 22:05:32 -0600 From: Wolfgang Hirczy
<wo...@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu> Reply to: famil...@lawlib.wuacc.edu To:
Multiple recipients of list <famil...@lawlib.wuacc.edu> Subject: If only
things were different ....
WOLFGANG HIRCZY DE MINO, Ph.D
aka "ADAM NEVE"
"Feminists should be charged with nothing less than Crimes Against Humanity,
sentenced, and summarily executed in public squares."
NICK SZABO
SIGNER, FATHER'S MANIFESTO--
THE POLITICAL PLATFORM TO REPEAL WOMEN'S RIGHT TO VOTE
encl...@mo.net
St. Louis, MO
ABOUT THE "CASE FOR FATHER CUSTODY"
<Picture>"What the radical Womens Rights (sometimes referred to as Mothers
Rights but since the influx of lesbian leadership has been more likely to be
referred to as Rights for Women, Women of Color, and Gay and Bi-Sexual Women)
and the Radical mens groups (who sometimes also call themselves fathers groups)
have in common is dislike of the idea of human rights."
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 13:33:34 -0600 From: Dean Hughson <de...@primenet.com>
Reply-To: famil...@lawlib.wuacc.edu To: Multiple recipients of list
<famil...@lawlib.wuacc.edu> Subject: Re: Observance of Herstory Month
"You know you are an insider in the fathers movement when... your closest
online friends have been accused in a court battle of child abuse as a ploy by
their ex's to win custody."
Subject: Top 10 Reasons You Know You are an insider in the Fathers Movement
From: Dean Hughson <de...@PRIMENET.COM> Date: 1995/12/04 Message-Id:
<1995120505...@usr1.primenet.com> Sender: "Fathers' Rights and Equality
Exchange" <FRE...@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU> X-Sender: de...@mailhost.primenet.com
Comments: To: shed...@vix.com, wel...@vix.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.free-L
DEAN HUGHSON
Self-proclaimed "Eggman" and "Internet Divorce Expert"
<Picture>"And for the next two cents, per the below post, good Femnazi bitch
Asyerass, I too say "ditto" and stay the hell out of where you're NOT INVITED,
NOR WELCOME!! ... up yours BITCH!!!!!!!!!!
"...'fathers die at the hands of the Divorce Industry and the
anti-christ/gender genocidal feminists... "KISS MY PURPLE BUTT" (OR KISS MY
PURPLE ASHerah).' "
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 18:32:45 -0500 From: proad...@earthlink.net To:
Ash...@aol.com Cc: nc...@rogers.wave.ca Subject: agendas, etc., up yours!
GEORGE GILLILAND
The "proadvocate"
OPERATOR OF A "BATTERED MEN'S SHELTER"
"Men's & Father's Rights!!" Domestic Rights Coalition
St. Paul, MN
"Her world is her husband, her family, her children, and home. We do not find
it right when a women presses into the world of men. Rather we find it natural
when these two worlds remain separate ... Woman and man represent two different
types of being. Reason is dominant in man."
Mein Kampf
ADOLPH HITLER
"Shut the hell up you tired old hag... your fellow females are killing their
kids for the same reason you lie thru your teeth, YOUR WORTHLESS, YOUR SPOILED,
YOUR DECADENT, YOUR LAZY, ...YOUR.
"FEMALE CHAUVINIST PIGS!!!!!!!!! KID KILLERS BOTH FETUS AND GROWN CHILD
WHORES, LESBIAN AND HETEROSEXUAL
"It's no wonder women are the brutes and kid killers they are today, look where
they came from, rotten, filthy, scumball feminists like you!
"Earl!!!!!! "
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:44:45 -0500 (CDT) From: wel...@ix.netcom.com To:
mani...@pemail.net, mani...@home.net, l...@gate.net, jo...@usa.net,
fathersm...@usa.net, fat...@web.liberty.com, dam...@calstatela.edu Cc:
s...@c-zone.net Subject: Re: Another intact home?
EARL WELLWOOD
SIGNER, FATHER'S MANIFESTO--
THE POLITICAL PLATFORM TO REPEAL WOMEN'S RIGHT TO VOTE
COALITION OFCONCERNED PARENTS
SAN JOSE, CA
"True gender equality will exist when, and only when the verbal and
psychological abuse women often inflict upon their husbands is regarded as
EQUALLY SERIOUS as the physical abuse men inflict upon their wives."
From: wtw...@ix.netcom.com (Gary Clark) Newsgroups:
alt.mens-rights,alt.feminism,soc.men Subject: Re: Men's Movement Date: 28 Apr
1995 03:03:15 GMT
"If the slut feminists really want EQUALITY, I suggest DEATH IN THE ELECTRIC
CHAIR to be the very first area in which such equality is achieved. Once we've
done that, I might be willing to listen to another one of their idiotic
"equality" arguments."
Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 21:49:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Clark
<Ga...@words-that-work.org> To: liz <l...@gate.net> Cc: Fathers Manifesto
<fat...@web.liberty.com> Subject: Re: SMH
GARY CLARK
LIZNOTES TABLE OF CONTENTS
GO TO THE LIZ LIBRARY COLLECTIONS
RETURN TO THE LIZ LIBRARY ENTRANCE
THESE ARE "MAINSTREAM" AKA "MODERATE"
FATHER'S RIGHTS ACTIVIST AND LOBBYING GROUPS.
The Sanity Inspector
--
--bruce
"Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made."
--Kant
ivy_...@my-dejanews.com
ohn...@aol.com (Ohnoapr) wrote:
> I just sent this to the AJC, 'cause they did an editorial on this story today.
>
> Maureen Downey writes:
> "But some child psychologits suggest that if the charges prove true, something
> had to have gon terribly wrong in the boys' short lives to cause them to
commit
> these gruesome acts...Weaned on cartoonish images of violence where nobody
> really dies, they may not realize the permanence of death..."
>
> Yeah right Maureen, blame it on cartoons. Anyone else, think these kids are
> acting out family incest or child molestation? What child learns rape from
> cartoons? Then there's SouthPark.....
>
> Cynicatoria
>
> Little boys are raping and murdering girls,
Just more of the zany antics of those wacky democrats. We could
just call it "Adventures In Willy's World."
--
Regards, JM
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Mike Stucka
> Just more of the zany antics of those wacky democrats. We could
> just call it "Adventures In Willy's World."
Hey, you trolling little fucknut -- if you can argue intelligently, do so.
If arguing intelligently, please tell us how you know these kids are
affiliated with any political party. If not arguing intelligently, go
away.
Mike Stucka / stucka at bellsouth.net
This person runs on ethanol, an environmentally friendly alternative fuel.
David S. Anderson
>ivy_...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>> Just more of the zany antics of those wacky democrats. We could
>> just call it "Adventures In Willy's World."
>
>Hey, you trolling little fucknut -- if you can argue intelligently, do
so.
>
>If arguing intelligently, please tell us how you know these kids are
>affiliated with any political party. If not arguing intelligently, go
>away.
>
WARNING SARCASM....
I thought everyone knew this... only democrats commit violent
crimes. Republicans only commit white collar crimes.
ivy_...@my-dejanews.com
Mike Stucka <stucka...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> ivy_...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> > Just more of the zany antics of those wacky democrats. We could
> > just call it "Adventures In Willy's World."
>
> Hey, you trolling little fucknut -- if you can argue intelligently, do so.
You mean like you're doing <chuckling>. Mike, I think you're
letting some of your true colors slip through with your
little obscene name-calling. Simmer down junior.
> Mike Stucka / stucka at bellsouth.net
> This person runs on ethanol,
But if he'd just stop expelling so much methane.
Mike Stucka
> In article <9TqB1.1963$Tb2.3...@news2.atl.bellsouth.net>,
> Mike Stucka <stucka...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> ivy_...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>> > Just more of the zany antics of those wacky democrats. We could
>> > just call it "Adventures In Willy's World."
>>
>> Hey, you trolling little fucknut -- if you can argue intelligently, do so.
> You mean like you're doing <chuckling>. Mike, I think you're
> letting some of your true colors slip through with your
> little obscene name-calling. Simmer down junior.
I'm against trolls of any political persuassion. And like I've said,
you're either trolling to create backlast against Republicans for their
seeming biases, or you're trolling to make Democrats look bad. Either way,
you're trolling.
And this isn't the first time.
And, again, you've refused to argue intelligently.
Ergo, I ask that you please just go away.
Mike Stucka / stucka at bellsouth.net
Mulder
<stucka...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>Hey, you trolling little fucknut -- if you can argue intelligently, do so.
Houston, we have a nickname for Mikey.
Mulder
>But if he'd just stop expelling so much methane.
Shut it, fucknut.
TheNIGHTCRAWLER
another gun's rights ad? Blame it on South Park?
I do like the point about learning thiings at home... nothing a belt
or the right talk won't fix.
But going after toons??
NC