Did/do the Jews believe in afterlife?

[Dingbat]

In what periods of time have there been sects of Judaism that didn't
believe in an afterlife?

"The doctrine of the Sadducees is this: That souls die with the
bodies." (Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews, Bk. 18, Ch. 1).

[thea]

And that is why the Sadducees are *Sad you See*.
They did not believe in an afterlife.

St. Paul however, is a *Far you see* Pharisee, and
they believe in eternally living with God.

And, the Bible promises the Jews a New Heaven
and a New Earth in Revelations.

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[Dingbat]

On Apr 13, 7:26 am, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> And that is why the Sadducees are *Sad you See*.
>

Only in a joke. It was pronounced something like Sudd-OK.

>
> They did not believe in an afterlife.
>
> St. Paul however, is a *Far you see* Pharisee, and
> they believe in eternally living with God.
>
> And, the Bible promises the Jews a New Heaven
> and a New Earth in Revelations.
>

Where will Christians live if both New Heaven and New Earth are
promised only to Jews? Where will Buddhists live?

[thea]

The Gentile Christians of today will be in Heaven.

The Gentile Christians go home at the Rapture
in I Thessalonians 4:13-18.

[Dingbat]

On Apr 14, 11:48 am, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Gentile Christians of today will be in Heaven.
>

1) Where will the Jews taught by Jesus be?
2) Where will the Jews of today be?
3) Where will the Buddha be?
4) Where will the Buddhists of today be?

[thea]

It depends on what your theology is as to where people
will be.
The Jews will be in the New Heaven and New Earth
who lived in the OT and live in the 1,000 years Kingdom
of Jesus which is yet to come.

The Jews of today are gathered together with the Gentiles
to be in Heaven with Jesus.

It depends on whether a Buddhists finds God as to where
he will be. Buddha was just a man like you are.

[e_space]

theology has nothing to do with where people go in the afterlife, if
there is one ... that is what you have been taught ... that you have
bought the rhetoric hook line and sinker, is something you may want to
think about a bit more clearly ...

[random]

Hard to tell, but at least from the evidences that I'm aware of, it seems like a relatively modern belief (well, for such an old religion nearly everything is modern...)

Today, as far as I know there is a belief in the afterlife, and like the other religions it depends on who you ask.
But generally speaking, Judaism has a lot less focus on the afterlife compared to the other religions.

[Dingbat]

On Apr 14, 12:45 pm, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It depends on what your theology is as to where people
> will be.
> The Jews will be in the New Heaven and New Earth
>

Can they be in two places? If not, will some of them will be in New
Heaven and the others in New Earth?

>
> who lived in the OT and live in the 1,000 years Kingdom
> of Jesus which is yet to come.
>
>
> The Jews of today are gathered together with the Gentiles
> to be in Heaven with Jesus.
>

Is "Heaven with Jesus" the same place as "New Heaven" or a different
place from "New Heaven"?

>
> It depends on whether a Buddhists finds God as to where
> he will be.  Buddha was just a man like you are.
>

The Buddha didn't find God. So, where will the Buddha be?

[thea]

On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Dingbat <ranjit_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 14, 12:45 pm, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> It depends on what your theology is as to where people
>> will be.
>> The Jews will be in the New Heaven and New Earth
>>
> Can they be in two places? If not, will some of them will be in New
> Heaven and the others in New Earth?

There will be two different places. The promises made to the Jews
of a New Universe.
While *Christ in you, the Hope of Glory* , and Ephesians 1
spell out a completely different *pie in the sky*.
It is the difference of Dispensation.
The Jews and Abraham inherit an earth.
St. Paul is *seated with Jesus in Heavenly Places*

>>
>> who lived in the OT and live in the 1,000 years Kingdom
>> of Jesus which is yet to come.
>>
>>
>> The Jews of today are gathered together with the Gentiles
>> to be in Heaven with Jesus.
>>
> Is "Heaven with Jesus" the same place as "New Heaven" or a different
> place from "New Heaven"?

Two different places -- see above

>>
>> It depends on whether a Buddhists finds God as to where
>> he will be. Buddha was just a man like you are.
>>
> The Buddha didn't find God. So, where will the Buddha be?

The eternal abode of Buddha. What does Buddha teach
about the afterlife?

>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Dingbat <ranjit_math...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > On Apr 14, 11:48 am, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> The Gentile Christians of today will be in Heaven.
>>
>> > 1) Where will the Jews taught by Jesus be?
>> > 2) Where will the Jews of today be?
>> > 3) Where will the Buddha be?
>> > 4) Where will the Buddhists of today be?
>>
>> >> The Gentile Christians go home at the Rapture
>> >> in I Thessalonians 4:13-18.
>

[Dingbat]

On Apr 14, 5:34 pm, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Dingbat <ranjit_math...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > The Buddha didn't find God. So, where will the Buddha be?
>
> The eternal abode of Buddha.  What does Buddha teach
> about the afterlife?
>

So, what the Buddha taught is correct, eh? Is what Mohammed taught
correct too? According to his teaching, you will be in hell.

[thea]

There is something that needs to be stated if you are going to have the
whole nine yards.
If you read the Bible and come to really know what is being said, and
then you read the Koran, you will discover that many stories of
the Koran are borrowed from the Bible, but given different names for
different people.

In other words, the Bible was written a long time before the Koran came
into existence.

Mahammed is not the *Comforter* that Jesus said He was sending
because he does not do what Jesus said the *Comforter* would do.

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you
another Comforter,
that he may abide with you for ever:
17: Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because
it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he
dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. (Ephesians 1 - The *down-payment*)

John 15:26 *But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send
unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth
from the Father, he shall testify of me:*

In other words, the Comforter does not talk about himself at all -
but only witnesses to the Name of Jesus.

[Dingbat]

On Apr 15, 9:29 am, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 8:08 PM, Dingbat <ranjit_math...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 14, 5:34 pm, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Dingbat <ranjit_math...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> > The Buddha didn't find God. So, where will the Buddha be?
>
> >> The eternal abode of Buddha.  What does Buddha teach
> >> about the afterlife?
>
> > So, what the Buddha taught is correct, eh? Is what Mohammed taught
> > correct too? According to his teaching, you will be in hell.
>
> There is something that needs to be stated if you are going to have the
> whole nine yards.
> If you read the Bible and come to really know what is being said, and
> then you read the Koran, you will discover that many stories of
> the Koran are borrowed from the Bible, but given different names for
> different people.
>

If you were to read the Old Testament and come to really know what is
being said, and then you read the New Testament, what would you
discover?
http://www.bowness.demon.co.uk/mirc1.htm

[thea]

I would discover, Dingbat, that there is a difference about who
is being spoken to in the New Testament.
The Old Testament is all about God, Abraham, Israel as the
chosen through which God brings His Son, Jesus to earth.
In the New Testament I discover that there is a change in
the program of who God is dealing with. All of a sudden,
Israel is set aside, that God can come to man individually
both Greek, Jew, Gentile.
The difference is in the wording.
In the Old Testament and Matthew, Mark, Luke and John
we find Israel referred to as the Bride of Christ.
They are chosen *from* and *after* the foundation of the earth.

However, In the New Testament - Romans through Titus,
we find that the Gentiles being offered the Grace of God
-- *Before* the foundation of the earth. And in Ephesians
we discover that we are the Body of Christ.

I am sorry, but there is a big difference between being
a Bride and being a Body.

And these are the two hidden from most people's understanding
of the differences in the Scriptural Text.

I am the *Body* of Christ. I cannot be kicked out of heaven
like Satan, because I don't get to heaven on my own
will, want or desire. I get to heaven because I accept
a free Gift of the Grace of God, and the Blood Covering
of Jesus. The Cross of Jesus Christ means something
to me.
I am accepted in the Beloved (Jesus) and will send eternity
with Jesus in heaven.

Another difference between being Jew and Gentile is the
place of my eternal abode.
Abraham was offer land on a new earth and in a new heaven.
While we as Christians today are offered an inheritance
*that we should be to the praise of his glory.* (Ephesians 1:12)
*ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise (Ephesians 1:13)
*Who is the earnest (down payment) of our inheritance until the
redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
(Ephesians 1:14)

I am a purchased possession -- I was bought by the blood of Calvary.

[Dingbat]

On Apr 20, 5:24 am, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I would discover, Dingbat, that there is a difference about who
> is being spoken to in the New Testament.
>

Would you discover that NT stories of miracles by Jesus might have
been copied from older stories in the OT?
http://www.bowness.demon.co.uk/mirc1.htm

>
> The Old Testament is all about God, Abraham, Israel as the
> chosen through which God brings His Son, Jesus to earth.
> In the New Testament I discover that there is a change in
> the program of who God is dealing with.  All of a sudden,
> Israel is set aside, that God can come to man individually
> both Greek, Jew, Gentile.
>

Has God come to the Pirahã individually?
The Pirahã: People Who Define Happiness Without God
http://ffrf.org/publications/freethought-today/item/13492-the-pirahae-people-who-define-happiness-without-god

[thea]

If they are miracles from the OT stories, the subject of
*how* they take place are different.

God fed Israel in the wilderness manna -- HE has the
power to feed us also -- now it is *steak and eggs*.

It is interesting to study Grace as being something that
is individualistic. It is up to each individual to accept
or reject God's grace toward us. We are Gentiles.
That is the difference.

[Ian Betts]

We are not all subject to your bible imaginary world Thea Thank goodness.

 

--
Ian

[thea]

Uh huh - but you are in this world, Ian, and you don't know who made
you -- so you just came from Apes --

[Ian Betts]

NO my ancestors may have been apes but I did not get born to an Ape.

[thea]

hum - not ain't that interesting -- *may have been*
you mean you are not really sure.

[Ian Betts]

Of course I'm Sure arn't you. Pity you live in a maze of bible imgination