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heron stone
Aug 10, 2014, 12:09:48 AM8/10/14
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i haven't been here in a while
it's hilarious to see that the "Stories, Disbasing Zen" guy
is still at it
anyway, i want to share a thought with you...
the voice in your head is not something YOU are doing
it's something happening TO you
you have been hijacked by your own language machine
wake up from the trance of language
"i" is a story
--
unDO email address
___
Nature, heron stone
to be commanded, http://gendo.net
must be obeyed. mailto:her...@gendo.net
it's hilarious to see that the "Stories, Disbasing Zen" guy
is still at it
anyway, i want to share a thought with you...
the voice in your head is not something YOU are doing
it's something happening TO you
you have been hijacked by your own language machine
wake up from the trance of language
"i" is a story
--
unDO email address
___
Nature, heron stone
to be commanded, http://gendo.net
must be obeyed. mailto:her...@gendo.net
harry carrey
Aug 10, 2014, 5:06:40 AM8/10/14
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On 10/08/14 12:09, heron stone wrote:
> i haven't been here in a while
>
> it's hilarious to see that the "Stories, Disbasing Zen" guy
> is still at it
>
>
> anyway, i want to share a thought with you...
>
>
> the voice in your head is not something YOU are doing
>
> it's something happening TO you
>
> you have been hijacked by your own language machine
>
> wake up from the trance of language
>
>
> "i" is a story
>
are you just making it up as you go along for the ride?
> i haven't been here in a while
>
> it's hilarious to see that the "Stories, Disbasing Zen" guy
> is still at it
>
>
> anyway, i want to share a thought with you...
>
>
> the voice in your head is not something YOU are doing
>
> it's something happening TO you
>
> you have been hijacked by your own language machine
>
> wake up from the trance of language
>
>
> "i" is a story
>
heron stone
Aug 10, 2014, 8:28:32 PM8/10/14
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brian mitchell
Aug 11, 2014, 4:27:43 PM8/11/14
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heron stone wrote:
>. . . i want to share a thought with you...
>. . . i want to share a thought with you...
>the voice in your head is not something YOU are doing
>it's something happening TO you
>
>you have been hijacked by your own language machine
>
>wake up from the trance of language
Even if thought is not verbalised it still endlessly arises, albeit with less neural wear and tear.
>it's something happening TO you
>
>you have been hijacked by your own language machine
>
>wake up from the trance of language
FreedomIzaGun (aka Albion)
Aug 11, 2014, 5:02:41 PM8/11/14
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heron stone
Aug 12, 2014, 5:37:44 PM8/12/14
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> So what do you do when the voice(s) are not in your head at all but are coming from around the corner in another room?
i haven't had to deal with that issue
heron stone
Aug 12, 2014, 5:40:38 PM8/12/14
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that's not everything
there are clearly other modes we operate in, but linguistic thinking
is a dominant and fundamental problem for humans
8.tim....@gmail.com
Aug 12, 2014, 6:01:16 PM8/12/14
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... good to hear from an old alt.zen vet like you heron... yes... it has been a while... as you can see alt.zen has been reduced to a chat line for noobs... but there are still some legit zenners out there... still some lurkers... we have been using an alt.channel for a few weeks... i will shoot you the address...
now back to those voices... are not those voices in fact the arising of the tao?... that the being itself, perhaps, behind all the chatter and business of a distracted mind...
realizes a state, desirable or undesirable... and it spontaneously, in accord with the Law, gives rise and over-rides the resident illusion of the present focus?
that say... when one far in advance realizes a position of hopelessness, that the sudden rising of hope is a result of the tao? medicinal. like it is saying.. no not you... you are the exception... no need to get out of the situation... make your deal... make your peace... steady as she goes...
the same reaction as say one who is walking through the bush and a branch snaps back... straight for the eye... the thinking mind, aware as it is, does not see it in advance being dragging in the past of experience... and yet, the tao reacts and the eye closes in time to prevent the injury... never saw it coming... that of course is how it works when it is ego-less... with ego... well... you still have a good one...
like say, some one who is guilty suddenly becomes aware from a voice... that others now know it also... and the tao chatters... and the very actions to hide... become the very actions that reveal...
anyway... to the new crew who are listening... position. tactics. trust... look at the position and understand that I knew the job... just got back from the reunion... it was not as frustrating that most of us, in and out have all suffered from the same experiences... and certainly i had to stop hearing stories worse than my own...
it is that, after comparing notes... the method used was exactly the same... pattern landy... and now? well... there is a divide between us... i mean, your kind were mentioned many times when it came to what happened to vets... like I said... Darrin said he had the file... and yet, we had to run down my military qualifications...
it was so good to debrief without a bunch of losers crying out.. is that a threat? is that a threat?... no kids... it is a language...
Tim
now back to those voices... are not those voices in fact the arising of the tao?... that the being itself, perhaps, behind all the chatter and business of a distracted mind...
realizes a state, desirable or undesirable... and it spontaneously, in accord with the Law, gives rise and over-rides the resident illusion of the present focus?
that say... when one far in advance realizes a position of hopelessness, that the sudden rising of hope is a result of the tao? medicinal. like it is saying.. no not you... you are the exception... no need to get out of the situation... make your deal... make your peace... steady as she goes...
the same reaction as say one who is walking through the bush and a branch snaps back... straight for the eye... the thinking mind, aware as it is, does not see it in advance being dragging in the past of experience... and yet, the tao reacts and the eye closes in time to prevent the injury... never saw it coming... that of course is how it works when it is ego-less... with ego... well... you still have a good one...
like say, some one who is guilty suddenly becomes aware from a voice... that others now know it also... and the tao chatters... and the very actions to hide... become the very actions that reveal...
anyway... to the new crew who are listening... position. tactics. trust... look at the position and understand that I knew the job... just got back from the reunion... it was not as frustrating that most of us, in and out have all suffered from the same experiences... and certainly i had to stop hearing stories worse than my own...
it is that, after comparing notes... the method used was exactly the same... pattern landy... and now? well... there is a divide between us... i mean, your kind were mentioned many times when it came to what happened to vets... like I said... Darrin said he had the file... and yet, we had to run down my military qualifications...
it was so good to debrief without a bunch of losers crying out.. is that a threat? is that a threat?... no kids... it is a language...
Tim
brian mitchell
Aug 12, 2014, 8:02:45 PM8/12/14
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heron stone wrote:
>> >. . . i want to share a thought with you...
>> >the voice in your head is not something YOU are doing
>> >it's something happening TO you
>> >
>> >you have been hijacked by your own language machine
>> >
>> >wake up from the trance of language
>>
>> Even if thought is not verbalised it still endlessly arises, albeit with less neural wear and tear.
>
>
>what i mean by the word "thought" is talking to yourself in language
>
>that's not everything
>
>there are clearly other modes we operate in, but linguistic thinking
> is a dominant and fundamental problem for humans
Why do you see it as more of a problem than thought in toto? It seems to me that the inner monologue
>> >. . . i want to share a thought with you...
>> >the voice in your head is not something YOU are doing
>> >it's something happening TO you
>> >
>> >you have been hijacked by your own language machine
>> >
>> >wake up from the trance of language
>>
>> Even if thought is not verbalised it still endlessly arises, albeit with less neural wear and tear.
>
>
>what i mean by the word "thought" is talking to yourself in language
>
>that's not everything
>
>there are clearly other modes we operate in, but linguistic thinking
> is a dominant and fundamental problem for humans
(actually usually a one-sided dialogue) emanates from the I-contraction and reinforces it but isn't
the source of it.
heron stone
Aug 13, 2014, 12:07:59 PM8/13/14
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In article <sialu9plmalhp2lfc...@4ax.com>, brian mitchell
not more of a problem than "thought in toto"
but a part that we can actually DO something about
"thought in toto" is just too abstract to get a practical handle on
? what does that actually mean
? how do we proceed in dealing with it
but a part that we can actually DO something about
"thought in toto" is just too abstract to get a practical handle on
? what does that actually mean
? how do we proceed in dealing with it
8.tim....@gmail.com
Aug 13, 2014, 1:01:15 PM8/13/14
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... brian makes the point on the I-contrdiction... that, if all is input, making no output possible... (again, your science not the truth)... what is the I?
take our kettle on the hot enough element long enough... it boils, no exceptions... but what clings? does the element say i am the cause? does the kettle say, this is me?... does the water say... i am doing this?... does the triad express pain or pleasure? does it cling to its reaction? or does it simply witness it since allowing it or not is out of the question... or is their no sense of it at all?
but more importantly. when it comes to the I-contradition, can anything be done to prevent it? isn't that the idea? prevention? or is it control of others? but as i said... what is the point of disciplining yourself to stop hitting the other children when the input factor dictates that you hit because the children starting hitting you first... and now, it is a game to see if they can get you to hit back... and the more you resist that energy... the greater the potential grows until you resolve it or, in death... it is resolved...
take my weekend... went to the PPCLI 100th reunion... it was my trip... i saved the money for the bus ticket and the province picked up the rest (thanks brad)... all covered... ev, my step-dad... biggest fan... we have talked about going for years... and he has only gotten as far as museums so you know this was going to be a real treat... so i invited them... on my trip... and they agreed a priori to my schedule...
the plan was to leave saskatoon first thing friday morning... get to edmonton around 1... check in, go to west edmonton mall... then later that night... up to the garrison where i would muster with the rest of my brothers... the next day was from 9-3...
right off the hop... they checked in and the mall was only a few minutes away but alas... to far to drive... you do not need to buy a new wind breaker and shoes for the event... just use ev's jacket...
then they dropped me off at about 3 at the base and left... then the next day... they took in the show but as soon as it was over... as soon as i said i wanted to stay for a bit more to meet some old friends that were not present the night before... they decided it was time to leave and i could not afford another $50 taxi fare... and then they dumped me at the bus depot around 1p... to wait until midnight for the bus home... so they could go to red deer... about 1.5 hours away... no plans just travel...
and then the money issue... first it is... for your birthday (Aug 11)... we will take you to edmonton but you have to get a return ticket... and then... no, no, no... we will get that cofffee (and i am like ... no... but...)... and then almost the next moment complaining about the expense of it... the we will cover the gas and then the leverage of suggesting to me that i should be chipping in... playing the symptoms... to an illness which... diagnosis overturned in light of evidence to the contrary... but should i tell them?... no... i prefer to let them go on thinking thw worst of me... is that intentional? no... it is a learned behavior... since to deny a mental illness is a symptom...
the point is, what they did was intentional. designed to try and provoke a reaction... putting my kettle on the fire so to speak...
i had not seen these guys in 25 years... and right off the hop... my mom, a huge embarassment is insulting veterans... loud and clear... making fun of uniforms, metals, injuries... mocking the whole event with all my brothers around listening... intentionally trying to ruin things...
but... i played the good buddhist... said nothing in my own defense and took the abuse for which i have become quite accustomed... but is that discipline? becasue a whole slew of spells and witchery came to mind to really fuck those assholes up... to really put the hurt on you know?...
and to top it all off... emailed when they got home... "we had a great trip"... the point is they were my guests and even if they could not muster enough respect for me... they could have demonstrated a respect of veterans, my friends... and that, reflects the attitude of all of canada towards its soldiers and vets... right into the base itself they mock and disrespect us... my own family...
like steve said last night... i don't give a fuck... but alas, slave... you will regret the day when we decide we do not give a fuck either because when it comes to putting the hammer down... you seem to forget son that in canada, the military has no assigned role in defense... that is cops turf... but if military law were declared... even the pigs would get the fuck out of dodge since, being canadian, we are simply not conditioned to attack our own people... we don't think like that... we do not see enemies... but we are not police...
so how i am suppose to feel about this heron? brian? because as you know through ample demonstration here... if i do not release the stored energies, they reflect into something destructive on a super natural scale... so, their actions effect you to... this is your world and what i said i would do if you fucked my life... and now, now you want out... but refuse to change... because accordingly... apparently... you can not...
so what is the point then heron? accept that you can not change and what is happening to you is an objective experience of which their is no "i" to subjectively state that there is a person doing involved... complete disassociation...
and yet even then, as you will see... that is the point of that essay from yesterday... operation ninja bike crew... the idea then... is that we can see a circle collapse into a point on a two dimensional plane... but when the field exists in three dimensions... to collapse into a single point is the mechaism of ripping itself apart into smaller and smaller peices...
and as a single piece, with the same expansive objective... how can it expand to wholeness when it is already complete? thus, it tears itself apart yet again... and that... scientist man... is not, nor has it ever been the case or reality... you guys are crazy... what is, is...
the scary thing then heron, the real crucifix of what i am telling you, since it is all input... where doe expression come from... but more importantly, from where does it arise?... the mechaism of tao is, for one example, to feel hope in hopelessness... prepared when one is not... right when one is wrong...
the whole point of the essay yesterday is the line... the third thing between two points... and that line is the word... the correspondence between two things... it connects that with that... but it is not that or that... and yet, it seems, we have become obsessed with the word, an unreal thing, since it is one thing rather than accept that it connects two real things which may or may not be accurately connected...
Lucifer
take our kettle on the hot enough element long enough... it boils, no exceptions... but what clings? does the element say i am the cause? does the kettle say, this is me?... does the water say... i am doing this?... does the triad express pain or pleasure? does it cling to its reaction? or does it simply witness it since allowing it or not is out of the question... or is their no sense of it at all?
but more importantly. when it comes to the I-contradition, can anything be done to prevent it? isn't that the idea? prevention? or is it control of others? but as i said... what is the point of disciplining yourself to stop hitting the other children when the input factor dictates that you hit because the children starting hitting you first... and now, it is a game to see if they can get you to hit back... and the more you resist that energy... the greater the potential grows until you resolve it or, in death... it is resolved...
take my weekend... went to the PPCLI 100th reunion... it was my trip... i saved the money for the bus ticket and the province picked up the rest (thanks brad)... all covered... ev, my step-dad... biggest fan... we have talked about going for years... and he has only gotten as far as museums so you know this was going to be a real treat... so i invited them... on my trip... and they agreed a priori to my schedule...
the plan was to leave saskatoon first thing friday morning... get to edmonton around 1... check in, go to west edmonton mall... then later that night... up to the garrison where i would muster with the rest of my brothers... the next day was from 9-3...
right off the hop... they checked in and the mall was only a few minutes away but alas... to far to drive... you do not need to buy a new wind breaker and shoes for the event... just use ev's jacket...
then they dropped me off at about 3 at the base and left... then the next day... they took in the show but as soon as it was over... as soon as i said i wanted to stay for a bit more to meet some old friends that were not present the night before... they decided it was time to leave and i could not afford another $50 taxi fare... and then they dumped me at the bus depot around 1p... to wait until midnight for the bus home... so they could go to red deer... about 1.5 hours away... no plans just travel...
and then the money issue... first it is... for your birthday (Aug 11)... we will take you to edmonton but you have to get a return ticket... and then... no, no, no... we will get that cofffee (and i am like ... no... but...)... and then almost the next moment complaining about the expense of it... the we will cover the gas and then the leverage of suggesting to me that i should be chipping in... playing the symptoms... to an illness which... diagnosis overturned in light of evidence to the contrary... but should i tell them?... no... i prefer to let them go on thinking thw worst of me... is that intentional? no... it is a learned behavior... since to deny a mental illness is a symptom...
the point is, what they did was intentional. designed to try and provoke a reaction... putting my kettle on the fire so to speak...
i had not seen these guys in 25 years... and right off the hop... my mom, a huge embarassment is insulting veterans... loud and clear... making fun of uniforms, metals, injuries... mocking the whole event with all my brothers around listening... intentionally trying to ruin things...
but... i played the good buddhist... said nothing in my own defense and took the abuse for which i have become quite accustomed... but is that discipline? becasue a whole slew of spells and witchery came to mind to really fuck those assholes up... to really put the hurt on you know?...
and to top it all off... emailed when they got home... "we had a great trip"... the point is they were my guests and even if they could not muster enough respect for me... they could have demonstrated a respect of veterans, my friends... and that, reflects the attitude of all of canada towards its soldiers and vets... right into the base itself they mock and disrespect us... my own family...
like steve said last night... i don't give a fuck... but alas, slave... you will regret the day when we decide we do not give a fuck either because when it comes to putting the hammer down... you seem to forget son that in canada, the military has no assigned role in defense... that is cops turf... but if military law were declared... even the pigs would get the fuck out of dodge since, being canadian, we are simply not conditioned to attack our own people... we don't think like that... we do not see enemies... but we are not police...
so how i am suppose to feel about this heron? brian? because as you know through ample demonstration here... if i do not release the stored energies, they reflect into something destructive on a super natural scale... so, their actions effect you to... this is your world and what i said i would do if you fucked my life... and now, now you want out... but refuse to change... because accordingly... apparently... you can not...
so what is the point then heron? accept that you can not change and what is happening to you is an objective experience of which their is no "i" to subjectively state that there is a person doing involved... complete disassociation...
and yet even then, as you will see... that is the point of that essay from yesterday... operation ninja bike crew... the idea then... is that we can see a circle collapse into a point on a two dimensional plane... but when the field exists in three dimensions... to collapse into a single point is the mechaism of ripping itself apart into smaller and smaller peices...
and as a single piece, with the same expansive objective... how can it expand to wholeness when it is already complete? thus, it tears itself apart yet again... and that... scientist man... is not, nor has it ever been the case or reality... you guys are crazy... what is, is...
the scary thing then heron, the real crucifix of what i am telling you, since it is all input... where doe expression come from... but more importantly, from where does it arise?... the mechaism of tao is, for one example, to feel hope in hopelessness... prepared when one is not... right when one is wrong...
the whole point of the essay yesterday is the line... the third thing between two points... and that line is the word... the correspondence between two things... it connects that with that... but it is not that or that... and yet, it seems, we have become obsessed with the word, an unreal thing, since it is one thing rather than accept that it connects two real things which may or may not be accurately connected...
Lucifer
brian mitchell
Aug 13, 2014, 5:19:21 PM8/13/14
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 10:01:15 -0700 (PDT), 8.tim....@gmail.com wrote:
>... brian makes the point on the I-contrdiction... that, if all is input, making no output possible... (again, your science not the truth)... what is the I?
>
>take our kettle on the hot enough element long enough... it boils, no exceptions... but what clings? does the element say i am the cause? does the kettle say, this is me?... does the water say... i am doing this?... does the triad express pain or pleasure? does it cling to its reaction? or does it simply witness it since allowing it or not is out of the question... or is their no sense of it at all?
>
>but more importantly. when it comes to the I-contradition, can anything be done to prevent it? isn't that the idea? prevention? or is it control of others? but as i said... what is the point of disciplining yourself to stop hitting the other children when the input factor dictates that you hit because the children starting hitting you first... and now, it is a game to see if they can get you to hit back... and the more you resist that energy... the greater the potential grows until you resolve it or, in death... it is resolved...
>
>take my weekend... went to the PPCLI 100th reunion... it was my trip... i saved the money for the bus ticket and the province picked up the rest (thanks brad)... all covered... ev, my step-dad... biggest fan... we have talked about going for years... and he has only gotten as far as museums so you know this was going to be a real treat... so i invited them... on my trip... and they agreed a priori to my schedule...
>
>the plan was to leave saskatoon first thing friday morning... get to edmonton around 1... check in, go to west edmonton mall... then later that night... up to the garrison where i would muster with the rest of my brothers... the next day was from 9-3...
>
>right off the hop... they checked in and the mall was only a few minutes away but alas... to far to drive... you do not need to buy a new wind breaker and shoes for the event... just use ev's jacket...
>
>then they dropped me off at about 3 at the base and left... then the next day... they took in the show but as soon as it was over... as soon as i said i wanted to stay for a bit more to meet some old friends that were not present the night before... they decided it was time to leave and i could not afford another $50 taxi fare... and then they dumped me at the bus depot around 1p... to wait until midnight for the bus home... so they could go to red deer... about 1.5 hours away... no plans just travel...
>
>and then the money issue... first it is... for your birthday (Aug 11)... we will take you to edmonton but you have to get a return ticket... and then... no, no, no... we will get that cofffee (and i am like ... no... but...)... and then almost the next moment complaining about the expense of it... the we will cover the gas and then the leverage of suggesting to me that i should be chipping in... playing the symptoms... to an illness which... diagnosis overturned in light of evidence to the contrary... but should i tell them?... no... i prefer to let them go on thinking thw worst of me... is that intentional? no... it is a learned behavior... since to deny a mental illness is a symptom...
>
>the point is, what they did was intentional. designed to try and provoke a reaction... putting my kettle on the fire so to speak...
Families can be utterly brutal. The institution gives license to abuse. I'm reminded of 60s radical
>... brian makes the point on the I-contrdiction... that, if all is input, making no output possible... (again, your science not the truth)... what is the I?
>
>take our kettle on the hot enough element long enough... it boils, no exceptions... but what clings? does the element say i am the cause? does the kettle say, this is me?... does the water say... i am doing this?... does the triad express pain or pleasure? does it cling to its reaction? or does it simply witness it since allowing it or not is out of the question... or is their no sense of it at all?
>
>but more importantly. when it comes to the I-contradition, can anything be done to prevent it? isn't that the idea? prevention? or is it control of others? but as i said... what is the point of disciplining yourself to stop hitting the other children when the input factor dictates that you hit because the children starting hitting you first... and now, it is a game to see if they can get you to hit back... and the more you resist that energy... the greater the potential grows until you resolve it or, in death... it is resolved...
>
>take my weekend... went to the PPCLI 100th reunion... it was my trip... i saved the money for the bus ticket and the province picked up the rest (thanks brad)... all covered... ev, my step-dad... biggest fan... we have talked about going for years... and he has only gotten as far as museums so you know this was going to be a real treat... so i invited them... on my trip... and they agreed a priori to my schedule...
>
>the plan was to leave saskatoon first thing friday morning... get to edmonton around 1... check in, go to west edmonton mall... then later that night... up to the garrison where i would muster with the rest of my brothers... the next day was from 9-3...
>
>right off the hop... they checked in and the mall was only a few minutes away but alas... to far to drive... you do not need to buy a new wind breaker and shoes for the event... just use ev's jacket...
>
>then they dropped me off at about 3 at the base and left... then the next day... they took in the show but as soon as it was over... as soon as i said i wanted to stay for a bit more to meet some old friends that were not present the night before... they decided it was time to leave and i could not afford another $50 taxi fare... and then they dumped me at the bus depot around 1p... to wait until midnight for the bus home... so they could go to red deer... about 1.5 hours away... no plans just travel...
>
>and then the money issue... first it is... for your birthday (Aug 11)... we will take you to edmonton but you have to get a return ticket... and then... no, no, no... we will get that cofffee (and i am like ... no... but...)... and then almost the next moment complaining about the expense of it... the we will cover the gas and then the leverage of suggesting to me that i should be chipping in... playing the symptoms... to an illness which... diagnosis overturned in light of evidence to the contrary... but should i tell them?... no... i prefer to let them go on thinking thw worst of me... is that intentional? no... it is a learned behavior... since to deny a mental illness is a symptom...
>
>the point is, what they did was intentional. designed to try and provoke a reaction... putting my kettle on the fire so to speak...
psychotherapist R D Laing who placed responsibility for all kinds of mental disorders primarily on
the family. He was an interesting guy, part of the anti-psychiatry movement. He denied that there
any such thing as 'mental illness', only various expressions of mental distress, most of which he
put down to children being presented with impossible-to-resolve contradictory imperatives.
>
>i had not seen these guys in 25 years... and right off the hop... my mom, a huge embarassment is insulting veterans... loud and clear... making fun of uniforms, metals, injuries... mocking the whole event with all my brothers around listening... intentionally trying to ruin things...
>
>but... i played the good buddhist... said nothing in my own defense and took the abuse for which i have become quite accustomed... but is that discipline? becasue a whole slew of spells and witchery came to mind to really fuck those assholes up... to really put the hurt on you know?...
>
>and to top it all off... emailed when they got home... "we had a great trip"... the point is they were my guests and even if they could not muster enough respect for me... they could have demonstrated a respect of veterans, my friends... and that, reflects the attitude of all of canada towards its soldiers and vets... right into the base itself they mock and disrespect us... my own family...
>
>like steve said last night... i don't give a fuck... but alas, slave... you will regret the day when we decide we do not give a fuck either because when it comes to putting the hammer down... you seem to forget son that in canada, the military has no assigned role in defense... that is cops turf... but if military law were declared... even the pigs would get the fuck out of dodge since, being canadian, we are simply not conditioned to attack our own people... we don't think like that... we do not see enemies... but we are not police...
>
>so how i am suppose to feel about this heron? brian? because as you know through ample demonstration here... if i do not release the stored energies, they reflect into something destructive on a super natural scale... so, their actions effect you to... this is your world and what i said i would do if you fucked my life... and now, now you want out... but refuse to change... because accordingly... apparently... you can not...
>
>so what is the point then heron? accept that you can not change and what is happening to you is an objective experience of which their is no "i" to subjectively state that there is a person doing involved... complete disassociation...
>
>and yet even then, as you will see... that is the point of that essay from yesterday... operation ninja bike crew... the idea then... is that we can see a circle collapse into a point on a two dimensional plane... but when the field exists in three dimensions... to collapse into a single point is the mechaism of ripping itself apart into smaller and smaller peices...
>
>and as a single piece, with the same expansive objective... how can it expand to wholeness when it is already complete? thus, it tears itself apart yet again... and that... scientist man... is not, nor has it ever been the case or reality... you guys are crazy... what is, is...
>
>the scary thing then heron, the real crucifix of what i am telling you, since it is all input... where doe expression come from... but more importantly, from where does it arise?... the mechaism of tao is, for one example, to feel hope in hopelessness... prepared when one is not... right when one is wrong...
>
>the whole point of the essay yesterday is the line... the third thing between two points... and that line is the word... the correspondence between two things... it connects that with that... but it is not that or that... and yet, it seems, we have become obsessed with the word, an unreal thing, since it is one thing rather than accept that it connects two real things which may or may not be accurately connected...
you say, drawing linguistic and narrative lines between one thing and another. It's how they make
sense of an incredibly complex world which is largely upheld by language. And habits learned young
stick with one for ever, probably.
Another strand to the matter of the inner dialogue is the question of expression. I'm sure for very
many people expression is directed inwards because outward expression was discouraged or ignored or
outright suppressed at a time when it was just getting going and very tender.
>
>Lucifer
brian mitchell
Aug 13, 2014, 5:20:41 PM8/13/14
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8.tim....@gmail.com
Aug 13, 2014, 5:51:32 PM8/13/14
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... nice... but no... think of it this way...
red... since you missed the lesson... you were not thinking about the color red... and you could not see it... then when i said red... your perception focuses and you see it everywhere...
so, to advance the study then... first, having absolutely no a priori quality... you could not focus... and second... after being given a quality... without dimension or position savvy?... like not knowing what red is... what suddenly comes into focus?... so you would have to know what red is to focus it... see?...
now... look around the room... if as a whole... you focus on the one... red... you would be ripped apart occupying everything that is red... next... being only one thing... red... or creation... red would manifest but nothing else could... reverse it... if you were god a priori creation... being a red cup... in your own image... the only thing you could know... you would be ripped apart occupying it all...
in other words... even if you had a notion of an i... you could not act outside of knowledge... being that manifestation is the effect of knowledge not the cause of it...
so what am i going to do about my mom an ev?... nothing... to even defend myself in anyway... is a threat... a terrible power in the hands of imbeciles... their treatment of me comes from a place... that is already destroyed...
... to regain hope in hopelessness savvy? relief fro misery... that is the function and mechanism of tao...
as a country... you jumped... far be it from me to change directions "again"... and if i do not keep my promise... you will not believe in me and say i have gone soft... am making comprises... back door deals... playing favorites... and... heaven and hell forbid... making exceptions...
Lucifer
red... since you missed the lesson... you were not thinking about the color red... and you could not see it... then when i said red... your perception focuses and you see it everywhere...
so, to advance the study then... first, having absolutely no a priori quality... you could not focus... and second... after being given a quality... without dimension or position savvy?... like not knowing what red is... what suddenly comes into focus?... so you would have to know what red is to focus it... see?...
now... look around the room... if as a whole... you focus on the one... red... you would be ripped apart occupying everything that is red... next... being only one thing... red... or creation... red would manifest but nothing else could... reverse it... if you were god a priori creation... being a red cup... in your own image... the only thing you could know... you would be ripped apart occupying it all...
in other words... even if you had a notion of an i... you could not act outside of knowledge... being that manifestation is the effect of knowledge not the cause of it...
so what am i going to do about my mom an ev?... nothing... to even defend myself in anyway... is a threat... a terrible power in the hands of imbeciles... their treatment of me comes from a place... that is already destroyed...
... to regain hope in hopelessness savvy? relief fro misery... that is the function and mechanism of tao...
as a country... you jumped... far be it from me to change directions "again"... and if i do not keep my promise... you will not believe in me and say i have gone soft... am making comprises... back door deals... playing favorites... and... heaven and hell forbid... making exceptions...
Lucifer
heron stone
Aug 13, 2014, 6:24:14 PM8/13/14
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In article <ejlnu9pmij27q9orb...@4ax.com>, brian mitchell
.in my way of thinking about this, the most important aspect is
breaking identification with the language machine...
the voice in the head
.and that takes only a moment of insight
breaking identification with the language machine...
the voice in the head
.and that takes only a moment of insight
8.tim....@gmail.com
Aug 13, 2014, 6:35:15 PM8/13/14
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On Wednesday, August 13, 2014 3:19:21 PM UTC-6, brian mitchell wrote:
> put down to children being presented with impossible-to-resolve contradictory imperatives.
brilliant brian! thank you for this... children being forced to solve adult problems... it is the reason why i broke off clean from my ex when she kicked me out...
> put down to children being presented with impossible-to-resolve contradictory imperatives.
i do not believe in using children as a point of cross fire... better he never know his "dead beat dad" (sarcasm landy) then getting caught between... hardest decision i ever made being fixed... there is only one of him to me... and as all time proofs and all karma falls out... he found out all about her anyway... but will blame me still...
but alas... like my overturned diagnosis... there is no going back... imagine mom and ev... i was sane, aware, rational and in possession of all my senses the whole time... RAPE i exactly what it is... and you are guilty...
> As we're talking about talking to oneself, young children do this all the time, doing exactly what
>
> you say, drawing linguistic and narrative lines between one thing and another. It's how they make
>
> sense of an incredibly complex world which is largely upheld by language. And habits learned young
>
> stick with one for ever, probably.
> Another strand to the matter of the inner dialogue is the question of expression. I'm sure for very
>
> many people expression is directed inwards because outward expression was discouraged or ignored or
>
> outright suppressed at a time when it was just getting going and very tender.
then it is a reckoning... were the self an the ego have it out... enlightenment when you are alive... quite the opposite when dead or dying...
Lucifer
8.tim....@gmail.com
Aug 13, 2014, 6:45:38 PM8/13/14
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On Wednesday, August 13, 2014 4:24:14 PM UTC-6, heron stone wrote:
> .in my way of thinking about this, the most important aspect is
>
> breaking identification with the language machine...
>
> the voice in the head
>
> .and that takes only a moment of insight
true. but then who, even among the masters... has ever been able to maintain nirvana? and then, if there were one... what does this tell us about the Buddhist Bodhisattva vow and monotheistic religions?
> .in my way of thinking about this, the most important aspect is
>
> breaking identification with the language machine...
>
> the voice in the head
>
> .and that takes only a moment of insight
Lucifer
8.tim....@gmail.com
Aug 13, 2014, 7:12:08 PM8/13/14
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On Wednesday, August 13, 2014 4:35:15 PM UTC-6, 8.tim....@gmail.com wrote:
> so hate i taught then yes?
lol... sorry gents... i spilled water on my keyboard and lost the letters: d g h m s... it is almost 40 degrees today and my apartment is worse... rather than hour on and hour off all day at the library to stay cool... took puppy down and using wifi... cutting and pasting...
> so hate i taught then yes?
"let them go" is my order... there is no forgiveness, there is no salvation... (why do these needs and imaginations arise again?) physics, jump/fall no exceptions... doctor them... be good to them anyway... makes them get louder, take bigger and bigger chances... and one day... who knows... they just might drop... trust the physics... trust the Law... fuck the rules...
what it looks like before i edit...
"let te o" i y orer... tere i no forivene, tere i no alvation... (wy o tee nee an iaination arie aain?) pyic, jup/fall no excpetion... octor te... be oo to te anyway... ake te et louer, take bier an bier cance... an one ay... wo know... tey jut it rop... trut te pyic... trut te Law... fuck te rule...
Lucifer
8.tim....@gmail.com
Aug 14, 2014, 3:27:31 PM8/14/14
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... here it is brian... dug this up from some old notes:
"that children learn about "this and that," but cannot, when they reach adulthood, separate their thoughts from those learned as a child."
"creatures of the mind"
"because we have never learned of such things is a poor assumption that there is no "such thing."
the source?
THE REALNESS OF WITCHCRAFT BY A. MONROE AURAND, JR.
[1942, copyright not renewed]
did you know that quite a while back when humanity was at its peak lol... there was actually an occult program developed to diminish, repress, an eliminate the human soul?
anyway, let us expand our red... the idea being in the context of the spicy squid essay... that without a point... even the introduction of the word red is dimensionless and positionless... creation?... manifest?... so when you think of me... get it brian? they think of me, they know i am real... but alas, they all want a personal me as if i am a shape shifter of ethic and morality... of Law... being dimensionless and positionless however... they don't know me so they start to make stuff up and then try to pigeon hole me... and when i don't fit... they reject me and try to destroy that voice in their head, my point of entry and possession... lol... like removing the root and expecting the flower to bloom... lol...
any idea what that first word was gent? you need it to be me... because without dimension and position... when i say God... it is proven that we are not talking about the same thing... and what i can do is not stage magic... there is a reason the Jews programed you to hate me children... does your zen enlighten you as to why?... hint... moses had a <blank> god... but why?
those that have known me, an even those discovering me now... again, to see me, to interact with me... i project nothing special... and yet, i filled their accounts... i gave them credit and dignities that they did not deserve... i even took the time to read all their fiction to demonstrate a genuine interest in their fairy tales of me... and now... i am more skilled at their own fiction than they are... how many hits have i taken? an even now... trying to help them cover their bullshit up but absolutely not at the expense of being their scapegoat...
scapegoat brian... any idea were that idea came from in the tao? and how many situations have i got them out of temporarily... in the sense of... you are fucking up... why not give those reins over son... but again... not tooting my own horn here... it proves their defects... kill the Jews!
i mean even now... i do not talk to people and restrict my content to here... i have never been about wealth or fame... is that right harmon... did crazy brett pretended to have a super spy relationship with a news anchor?... unfortunately... my relationship with anna-m ... those are commentary and criticism of her show the current and that is an advertising device to catch her attention...
remember first life fucks... you didn't even believe i was an elite solider until recently... and as for those northern iraq missions... they were still doing them in bush II which is what happened to ford... someone had an active transmitter on board...
the relay again landy... here is another application...
my enemy did my work for me... sun tzu... the rest is time in the oven... remember the good old days? when i forced you all to tell the world who and what i am?... the ripping apart of my life, the stealing of my work, the running me into the ground? the inescapable proof of resurrection, the condition of success... and creation above element, people and sciences... you brought all the people to my door to destroy me and now... in time... a triumphant nero... they have become my witnesses... soon the momentum will shift... because i am also certain that aside from the "all good" and the "it is nothing" and Hollywood... that people still take their lives pretty seriously... proof of what comes next... tat in fact there is one...
i suppose the Jew will reveal in this evil but alas... they never really believed it was there in the first place... they certainly did not believe in me... and in spite of proof, they still do not believe in Law preferring their own creation... rules which come with exceptions...
you see george... i do not give a fuck what the verdict is... why do you think i am pushing... "you" do not want me to go to jail... odd yes? soldiers were angels not man...
this is to expose you all to my angels, devils and witches... "certainty" sir, means action... in jail... not in jail... it is all the same to me... you already decided... this beuracracy is about padding your pockets and why the economy is fucked and were all those pensions went... i know sir... but you did not expect to still be here either... and there is no end in sight yet... ain't tat right ev?
just like me being a vet was a delusion... but now... doctor... the PPCLI, my brothers, know all about you assholes... i have fresh batteries, my second wind and new orders...
what did i say i would do if you fucked my covenant with mankind... and look... undo it... replace what you have taken from me... that is the solution but it comes at the cost of your pride Jew... do you first life fucks have any idea how long i have waited to return tat joke... lol...
well... look at it this way... eugenics and genetic engineering? is not based on what is, what the soul needs, Law, or evolutionary principles... rather subject to the reason you will suffer... human want and desire... a true confession of how pathetic you really are yes?... were does it come from tao?
but don't worry... since you know that knowledge is a commodity of power... you need not question why those who believe they have a power... lol... (not without me... your world is proof of how intelligent humans really are since your world is run... ruined... by the best of you... lol...)... and of course those Jews... the seven deadly sins... the seven defects... glorified... lol...
Lucifer
"that children learn about "this and that," but cannot, when they reach adulthood, separate their thoughts from those learned as a child."
"creatures of the mind"
"because we have never learned of such things is a poor assumption that there is no "such thing."
the source?
THE REALNESS OF WITCHCRAFT BY A. MONROE AURAND, JR.
[1942, copyright not renewed]
did you know that quite a while back when humanity was at its peak lol... there was actually an occult program developed to diminish, repress, an eliminate the human soul?
anyway, let us expand our red... the idea being in the context of the spicy squid essay... that without a point... even the introduction of the word red is dimensionless and positionless... creation?... manifest?... so when you think of me... get it brian? they think of me, they know i am real... but alas, they all want a personal me as if i am a shape shifter of ethic and morality... of Law... being dimensionless and positionless however... they don't know me so they start to make stuff up and then try to pigeon hole me... and when i don't fit... they reject me and try to destroy that voice in their head, my point of entry and possession... lol... like removing the root and expecting the flower to bloom... lol...
any idea what that first word was gent? you need it to be me... because without dimension and position... when i say God... it is proven that we are not talking about the same thing... and what i can do is not stage magic... there is a reason the Jews programed you to hate me children... does your zen enlighten you as to why?... hint... moses had a <blank> god... but why?
those that have known me, an even those discovering me now... again, to see me, to interact with me... i project nothing special... and yet, i filled their accounts... i gave them credit and dignities that they did not deserve... i even took the time to read all their fiction to demonstrate a genuine interest in their fairy tales of me... and now... i am more skilled at their own fiction than they are... how many hits have i taken? an even now... trying to help them cover their bullshit up but absolutely not at the expense of being their scapegoat...
scapegoat brian... any idea were that idea came from in the tao? and how many situations have i got them out of temporarily... in the sense of... you are fucking up... why not give those reins over son... but again... not tooting my own horn here... it proves their defects... kill the Jews!
i mean even now... i do not talk to people and restrict my content to here... i have never been about wealth or fame... is that right harmon... did crazy brett pretended to have a super spy relationship with a news anchor?... unfortunately... my relationship with anna-m ... those are commentary and criticism of her show the current and that is an advertising device to catch her attention...
remember first life fucks... you didn't even believe i was an elite solider until recently... and as for those northern iraq missions... they were still doing them in bush II which is what happened to ford... someone had an active transmitter on board...
the relay again landy... here is another application...
my enemy did my work for me... sun tzu... the rest is time in the oven... remember the good old days? when i forced you all to tell the world who and what i am?... the ripping apart of my life, the stealing of my work, the running me into the ground? the inescapable proof of resurrection, the condition of success... and creation above element, people and sciences... you brought all the people to my door to destroy me and now... in time... a triumphant nero... they have become my witnesses... soon the momentum will shift... because i am also certain that aside from the "all good" and the "it is nothing" and Hollywood... that people still take their lives pretty seriously... proof of what comes next... tat in fact there is one...
i suppose the Jew will reveal in this evil but alas... they never really believed it was there in the first place... they certainly did not believe in me... and in spite of proof, they still do not believe in Law preferring their own creation... rules which come with exceptions...
you see george... i do not give a fuck what the verdict is... why do you think i am pushing... "you" do not want me to go to jail... odd yes? soldiers were angels not man...
this is to expose you all to my angels, devils and witches... "certainty" sir, means action... in jail... not in jail... it is all the same to me... you already decided... this beuracracy is about padding your pockets and why the economy is fucked and were all those pensions went... i know sir... but you did not expect to still be here either... and there is no end in sight yet... ain't tat right ev?
just like me being a vet was a delusion... but now... doctor... the PPCLI, my brothers, know all about you assholes... i have fresh batteries, my second wind and new orders...
what did i say i would do if you fucked my covenant with mankind... and look... undo it... replace what you have taken from me... that is the solution but it comes at the cost of your pride Jew... do you first life fucks have any idea how long i have waited to return tat joke... lol...
well... look at it this way... eugenics and genetic engineering? is not based on what is, what the soul needs, Law, or evolutionary principles... rather subject to the reason you will suffer... human want and desire... a true confession of how pathetic you really are yes?... were does it come from tao?
but don't worry... since you know that knowledge is a commodity of power... you need not question why those who believe they have a power... lol... (not without me... your world is proof of how intelligent humans really are since your world is run... ruined... by the best of you... lol...)... and of course those Jews... the seven deadly sins... the seven defects... glorified... lol...
Lucifer
brian mitchell
Aug 14, 2014, 4:59:36 PM8/14/14
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2014 12:27:31 -0700 (PDT), 8.tim....@gmail.com wrote:
>... here it is brian... dug this up from some old notes:
>
>"that children learn about "this and that," but cannot, when they reach adulthood, separate their thoughts from those learned as a child."
>
>"creatures of the mind"
I think that's right. I have looked into the nature of the subconscious mind a bit --not just my own
>... here it is brian... dug this up from some old notes:
>
>"that children learn about "this and that," but cannot, when they reach adulthood, separate their thoughts from those learned as a child."
>
>"creatures of the mind"
content, but how the thing works. One thing that's clear is that the subconscious has no sense of
passing time. What was consciously concluded to be true at age 5. is subconsciously retained as true
at age 65. This is so because from the point of view of the subconscious mind, 'what I know is what
I am.' That's a strong lock. The huge irony seems to be that the power to change is in the hands of
the part of us most resistant to change.
8.tim....@gmail.com
Aug 14, 2014, 5:56:24 PM8/14/14
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On Thursday, August 14, 2014 2:59:36 PM UTC-6, brian mitchell wrote:
> I think that's right. I have looked into the nature of the subconscious mind a bit --not just my own
>
> content, but how the thing works. One thing that's clear is that the subconscious has no sense of
>
> passing time. What was consciously concluded to be true at age 5. is subconsciously retained as true
brian... you once again step up... absolutely... the subconscious is the "line" between two things but not one thing or the other... thus, the gateway that I refer to is such as well...
> I think that's right. I have looked into the nature of the subconscious mind a bit --not just my own
>
> content, but how the thing works. One thing that's clear is that the subconscious has no sense of
>
> passing time. What was consciously concluded to be true at age 5. is subconsciously retained as true
that the subconscious is the merging of the conscious with the unconscious to create one thing which was the original face... the true self, the HGA... but in the end... removing superstition and religion and mysticism... you.
the trouble is simple then to expand... that the fool is inclined towards the conscious side of the manifestation... materialists... devil worshippers... hahaha... since to take the path into the unconscious (yoga and meditation) takes one closer to the true self as opposed the ego that is a projection supported by symbols only... the word is the first manifestation... and if your first instructions or experiences of that word... which based on experience prove out to be true... expanding your faith into belief and knowledge or false... ahhh...
that you know that you can start a fire rubbing two sticks together... and yet... have never done it nor do you acknowledge the fact that you would fail if and when it mattered which is the fact that we can observe by watching that show survivor... i put no faith in my ability to do it and that is what i am best at... but then, we are not talking about starting fires with sticks are we?
but when it comes to the higher magicks, enlightenment etc... what symbol can be used? since "that is what i call it but that is not what it is" and since the symbol is not a word, there is no outward conscious manifestation which, in the word of illusions, is the "proof"... without the proof you see?
that is why i was sent... for the proof... you can not deny what i have shown you and thus, the first impulse now is that that is just me or that it is not for you... that you can never do it... that i am an exception... a freak... and yet, now my conscious manifestations surround you... and like you say... there seems like there will always be time... tick tock... to experience time as i do you need only realize this current essay... that from a single point which is in a circle that the edge cannot be seen... etc...
but if the first quality was red... simplified... then to manifest red one must occupy all spaces and things that are red at the expense of everything else... when you look around now and see all the red things... you will see what i am pointing at when it comes to "time"... not linear... now... back to that blasted cube... 26 letters etc... so yeah... i agree with your ideas on the subconscious...
> the part of us most resistant to change.
like the fool who jumps... after the conscious manifestation is realized... pray to god, pray to satan, give your heart to jesus, do it for yourself, the world, forgive us, beg for our forgiveness... so what is not real then, even though it is conscious? the words themselves...
recall brian... i am pushing into this to force mistakes in others... and they, in turn... are trying to use temporary measures to try and bring to a stop what they have done, with witnesses, on camera... so in spite of their we are the powers... that is not what power does... even Crowley said... what is power if it asks why?
but in the end... you are your own black box and that fall through the subconscious into the unconscious darkness... like listening to the golf game while waiting for the phone... you start to doze and you feel the fall... you can not realize what sleep is because their is nothing tangable about it so the best you can see is a screen that is blank and without senses... not even time because there is nothing physical there... but the path... you see... we know what it is and yet... someone else's horror... they never see it coming...
Lucifer
ultimate.h...@gmail.com
Aug 14, 2014, 7:57:47 PM8/14/14
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... whoaaa... slow down brian... sorry about the pulp but those are some pretty heavy questions... needed some sink in time...
ok... first mechanism... 5 to 65... ok...
think of it like a skipping stone. when you are launched from the womb... big gap... skip... not as big gap... skip... golden traingle... memory... memory. memory. stop. drop. where are you?
so what you are asking, i think is...
is there a unconscious consciousness of reality? and, zen, does reality effect unconsciousness?
next...
time exists in every point of space.
time = 1.
dimensions therefore are a projection since time is also a vibration else... no time savvy?
apply tao mechaism.
OM
so we break the light down...
weather, has a time of its own...
stars, a time of their own.
planets, a time of their own...
oceans...
etc... refer to aphroisms of pantanjali... find that passage... practice...
scales into depth and height.
consciousness and time can exist without manifest reality but not independantly of it...
consciousness is the first ripple in time...
but control?... memory, unconscious spaces... etc...
i am 47 as of monday.
to here, i snap my fingers and the spell is instant.
your turn... snap your fingers to ten years from now...
resistence... what do you mean?
the only reason you can not experience... sleeping... is because there is nothing to see... but alas,... did you turn off the kettle before you took that bottle of sleeping pills?...
"annnndddd... their... OFF!"
Lucifer
ok... first mechanism... 5 to 65... ok...
think of it like a skipping stone. when you are launched from the womb... big gap... skip... not as big gap... skip... golden traingle... memory... memory. memory. stop. drop. where are you?
so what you are asking, i think is...
is there a unconscious consciousness of reality? and, zen, does reality effect unconsciousness?
next...
time exists in every point of space.
time = 1.
dimensions therefore are a projection since time is also a vibration else... no time savvy?
apply tao mechaism.
OM
so we break the light down...
weather, has a time of its own...
stars, a time of their own.
planets, a time of their own...
oceans...
etc... refer to aphroisms of pantanjali... find that passage... practice...
scales into depth and height.
consciousness and time can exist without manifest reality but not independantly of it...
consciousness is the first ripple in time...
but control?... memory, unconscious spaces... etc...
i am 47 as of monday.
to here, i snap my fingers and the spell is instant.
your turn... snap your fingers to ten years from now...
resistence... what do you mean?
the only reason you can not experience... sleeping... is because there is nothing to see... but alas,... did you turn off the kettle before you took that bottle of sleeping pills?...
"annnndddd... their... OFF!"
Lucifer
liaM
Aug 15, 2014, 7:29:44 PM8/15/14
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mind is yet unformed and completely plastic and that
what is there written is yet to be saddled either by experience or
the rational mind. Thus what you knew at age 5 is not what you are age
16 or any year thereafter. Remember, at all ages, we are a nothing less
than a pile of dim-witted illusions (an oxymoron on purpose),
i.e. there's nothing there but air.
8.tim....@gmail.com
Aug 18, 2014, 12:20:50 PM8/18/14
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... good point liaM... however, it does cause a "small" problem in evolutionary physics... the idea that the monad, in time, becomes more complex... and less prone to collapse?... big bang... and yet, the fundamental, underlying mechanisms remain the same... suggesting that is is an issue of corresponding values... which.. in terms of the human monad... are subject to environment and survival in that environment... which, we are told... is becoming too complex and thus... due for a correction...
Lucifer
Lucifer
liaM
Aug 18, 2014, 3:26:18 PM8/18/14
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On 8/18/2014 6:20 PM, 8.tim....@gmail.com wrote:
> ... good point liaM... however, it does cause a "small" problem in evolutionary physics... the idea that the monad, in time, becomes more complex... and less prone to collapse?... big bang... and yet, the fundamental, underlying mechanisms remain the same... suggesting that is is an issue of corresponding values... which.. in terms of the human monad... are subject to environment and survival in that environment... which, we are told... is becoming too complex and thus... due for a correction...
>
> Lucifer
>
Nirvana is a result. Just look at the Mona Lisa. You can throw dirt at
> ... good point liaM... however, it does cause a "small" problem in evolutionary physics... the idea that the monad, in time, becomes more complex... and less prone to collapse?... big bang... and yet, the fundamental, underlying mechanisms remain the same... suggesting that is is an issue of corresponding values... which.. in terms of the human monad... are subject to environment and survival in that environment... which, we are told... is becoming too complex and thus... due for a correction...
>
> Lucifer
>
it. It won't matter with regards to the achievement.
There's nothing a human can do intellectually to achieve Nirvana.
Our discussions here, with Brian, yourself, Heron, are, to put the
condition pungently, "moot". The only one within sight that's tasted
the nectar (next star) is Pi.
Hey. Yippee ! Victory ! Holy, Holy, Lord of Hosts ! Let it be writ !
brian mitchell
Aug 18, 2014, 5:37:50 PM8/18/14
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intellect --actually, reason-- as part of shifting the entire perspective. The old Zen patriarchs
gave long dharma talks to the assembled monks, as well as question-and-answer sessions. You should
check out some of the dharma talks of Pai Chang; they're interminable! Probably the only exception
to this rule is crude modern-day happy-clappy evangelism.
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>Hey. Yippee ! Victory ! Holy, Holy, Lord of Hosts ! Let it be writ !
Oops! Do forgive me.
>Hey. Yippee ! Victory ! Holy, Holy, Lord of Hosts ! Let it be writ !
8.tim....@gmail.com
Aug 18, 2014, 8:16:01 PM8/18/14
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... ha ha ha ha... liaM... good to see you still have a sense of humor about it...
calling pi... the next star... hahahaha... that is exactly the thought i was projecting in the post you hacked... of course... star... sun... i was thinking "super"... as in nova...
like when the orgamism becomes too complex it collapses into its simpliest form which... hahaha... you called nirvana... hahaha... but in fact you do not have a clue what you are talking about... since of course intelligence... real intelligence... is not about making simple things more complicated... that is the intellectuals illusion... in the jungle of brawn... hahaha...
but in fact... it is just like a simple still pond... and complexity is like throwing rocks... and when you run out, get to far away... or too tired of course which is most often the case... it collapses back into its simpliest form... hahaha... at the effect of a tremendous amount of energy being relased as it moves from its dynamic state back into its static position... which of course is the dharma-karma... the destroyer of chaos proving that there is nothing chatotic about it other than... you and your ignorance or inability to go back due to the cowardess of what you know will be severe reprecutions... hahaha...
like say, as it is with all first life fucks such as yourself... you only have one side of the equation...and it is not even complete at that... for which... in order to know... as you play you do... you need both sides which... in the cases of Jews (another word that if yoi actually took the time to do the work you would realize that again... you have no idea what you are talking about ... it is called conditioning and again broken down into simple child psychology... no you are... hahaha...) and since the sign is "="... those two sides are out of balance... so something gets fucked in the process... and you do not possess the tools bneeded to pas sthe test...
but no... nirvana is the state i discribed as the dharma-consciousness... were there is no input leaving the being as it is... its original face... only now, as you know... the gurus say... you can not stay there... why? because unlike your existence before your first life... a blank slate... but now... you see... to get there... which again requires being karma free... it is only a matter of time before you think of something that previously you could not... thus... you didn't think about it... you just take the spoon feed propganda and act without knowledge... the great con of man...
since of course even potential energy does not exist until you create and the only form of creation you are permitted is to be wrong... creating potential energy... which of course is not the throwing of the rocks but the absolute of the Law... so then the only magick is time...
then there are the standford research papers... but those are surprises for the know it alls in court...
but i assure you... just like the word semtic and anti-semetic... of which you proved yourself ignorant...
like hitler... wasn't anti-semteic... since as you know... semtics are the original 13 tribes of israel... based on the moon cycle of 13 moons and thus... when we used the solar year as the standard... the zodiac... they eliminated a tribe which, as you know in your years of reserach... hahaha... was the sumerians... the kurds... etc... and of course ahriman or abraham depending on the lie you want to believe... and as you see there was no little israel but more imporatantly... that they are defaming and attacking semtic races... thus... hahaha...
and the fact is... hitler was about renewing his old one of the tribes culture and ritual beliefs... which were... yes, loser... semtic... and thus... those such as your poor old self that call people anti-semtic... are actually of the chirstian/catholic belief which of course... is entirely anri-semtic... kiloling of the old ways such as taoism, zen, voodun, etc... the orginal religions of the 13 tribes...
the only thing that remains of course is exactly what you think we should do to anti-semites... you are on the record for that too... but i bet if you knew we are going to hold you to that judgement... since of course... potential energy is one thing... it can be released into the "nirvana" assuming you can get there providing a whole array of real magicks... but even then... loseR... it is still about action... and sadly son... you have acted on ignorance... and according to my research... the current algorhythms suggest 2016... which means once again... i either know the future or am creating it by non-action and the release of potential energies into the dharma for right correction as opposed to oh... say... whatever it is your current cause or quest might be...
Lucifer
calling pi... the next star... hahahaha... that is exactly the thought i was projecting in the post you hacked... of course... star... sun... i was thinking "super"... as in nova...
like when the orgamism becomes too complex it collapses into its simpliest form which... hahaha... you called nirvana... hahaha... but in fact you do not have a clue what you are talking about... since of course intelligence... real intelligence... is not about making simple things more complicated... that is the intellectuals illusion... in the jungle of brawn... hahaha...
but in fact... it is just like a simple still pond... and complexity is like throwing rocks... and when you run out, get to far away... or too tired of course which is most often the case... it collapses back into its simpliest form... hahaha... at the effect of a tremendous amount of energy being relased as it moves from its dynamic state back into its static position... which of course is the dharma-karma... the destroyer of chaos proving that there is nothing chatotic about it other than... you and your ignorance or inability to go back due to the cowardess of what you know will be severe reprecutions... hahaha...
like say, as it is with all first life fucks such as yourself... you only have one side of the equation...and it is not even complete at that... for which... in order to know... as you play you do... you need both sides which... in the cases of Jews (another word that if yoi actually took the time to do the work you would realize that again... you have no idea what you are talking about ... it is called conditioning and again broken down into simple child psychology... no you are... hahaha...) and since the sign is "="... those two sides are out of balance... so something gets fucked in the process... and you do not possess the tools bneeded to pas sthe test...
but no... nirvana is the state i discribed as the dharma-consciousness... were there is no input leaving the being as it is... its original face... only now, as you know... the gurus say... you can not stay there... why? because unlike your existence before your first life... a blank slate... but now... you see... to get there... which again requires being karma free... it is only a matter of time before you think of something that previously you could not... thus... you didn't think about it... you just take the spoon feed propganda and act without knowledge... the great con of man...
since of course even potential energy does not exist until you create and the only form of creation you are permitted is to be wrong... creating potential energy... which of course is not the throwing of the rocks but the absolute of the Law... so then the only magick is time...
then there are the standford research papers... but those are surprises for the know it alls in court...
but i assure you... just like the word semtic and anti-semetic... of which you proved yourself ignorant...
like hitler... wasn't anti-semteic... since as you know... semtics are the original 13 tribes of israel... based on the moon cycle of 13 moons and thus... when we used the solar year as the standard... the zodiac... they eliminated a tribe which, as you know in your years of reserach... hahaha... was the sumerians... the kurds... etc... and of course ahriman or abraham depending on the lie you want to believe... and as you see there was no little israel but more imporatantly... that they are defaming and attacking semtic races... thus... hahaha...
and the fact is... hitler was about renewing his old one of the tribes culture and ritual beliefs... which were... yes, loser... semtic... and thus... those such as your poor old self that call people anti-semtic... are actually of the chirstian/catholic belief which of course... is entirely anri-semtic... kiloling of the old ways such as taoism, zen, voodun, etc... the orginal religions of the 13 tribes...
the only thing that remains of course is exactly what you think we should do to anti-semites... you are on the record for that too... but i bet if you knew we are going to hold you to that judgement... since of course... potential energy is one thing... it can be released into the "nirvana" assuming you can get there providing a whole array of real magicks... but even then... loseR... it is still about action... and sadly son... you have acted on ignorance... and according to my research... the current algorhythms suggest 2016... which means once again... i either know the future or am creating it by non-action and the release of potential energies into the dharma for right correction as opposed to oh... say... whatever it is your current cause or quest might be...
Lucifer
liaM
Aug 19, 2014, 3:39:21 AM8/19/14
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finding a soul that's hid like a needle in a needle factory.
liaM
Aug 19, 2014, 3:46:07 AM8/19/14
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liaM
Aug 19, 2014, 4:10:41 AM8/19/14
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On 8/18/2014 11:37 PM, brian mitchell wrote:
result".
8.tim....@gmail.com
Aug 19, 2014, 12:22:47 PM8/19/14
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On Tuesday, August 19, 2014 2:10:41 AM UTC-6, liaM wrote:
> I have the feeling you haven't understood the phrase "Nirvana is a
>
> result".
and we have the knowledge that "nirvana is absolute consciousness without illusion"...
> I have the feeling you haven't understood the phrase "Nirvana is a
>
> result".
Lucifer
ultimate.h...@gmail.com
Aug 19, 2014, 2:38:23 PM8/19/14
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hahaha... so you see liaM, we are both right... and yet... your chocolate milk seems to be lacking something... and that, Jewboy... is the the slough... that you can in fact get away with a worthless string of words such as that and sound... like an authority on the subject... but again... who have you fooled? hahaha... I am simply saying the same thing differently but you think... hahaha... that this is the good stuff...t hat your torture is squeezing all the juice out of me... hahaha... and to compound things... you do not know so you do not know the difference... let me prove it...
like I said... power and control over others is why you do what you do... sure... I suppose 1000 years ago when cultures were distant and telephones and other such systems were not even a dream... you could get away with that shit... you could even commit genocide of the Sumerian race and then claim their beliefs, land, resources and wealth for your own... but the fact is... Jewboy... there never were such a thing as jews... anything "white" was kicked out of the northern celtic cultures...
and those little israel losers? greek converts and Nazi cowards living on the names of those they murdered... again... kicked out or running for their lives...
but alas loseR... that is truth without illusion... and that is what you can not except... so really... great guess at nirvana loser...
and the fact is... it was the Jesus spell, what he allowed them to do, without resistance however never backing down from truth... that launched a hunting, capturing, torturing and execution of "jews" to the four corners of the earth... that to this day... the curse is still in place however relaxed... I am doing something about these slack ass angels... and that was before the discovery of north America... and as far as that goes... one, two, three on Jews!
and the fact is also true that hitler, when he did what he did, as opposed the anti-Semitism of the catholics and christians, he labeled Jews as the capitalists that invaded his motherland, raping it of its resources and wealth then leaving its people in poverty and their currency worthless... so let there be no mistake what is happening... again...
because you see Liam, as you know... hahaha.... that the dharma and dharma consciousness (nirvana) underpins it all... in in that pond of water are currents not just asshole rock throwing cunts such as yourself Jew... so in fact, in spite of our "wish" that holocaust should not happen again... nothing has ever been done to remedy the karma so... in fact, we are in the exact same place in time... and yet... everything is different... only now... you can not... could not fool the kids with your propaganda and correspondences...
now... since you are still illusion bound... exactly what did I say I would specifically do if you fucked with my covenant with eve?... and at that time, there was not even the potential of those conditions manifesting... and certainly... all the kings horses and men said... sure... but not until 2050 and beyond will such things be even possibilities for which, we will have discovered new things to solve those future problems... and on that statement you rejected me... labeled me... and tried to drive me into the ground...
but you see... what i said I would do Jew... it is all here... all documented... even the how... what, where and why... specific... and those Jews are on my shit list and I add more, it seems, with each passing year... but alas, just like you... they are thinking that all this shit is going down 100 years from now because science said... and yet I said no fuck head... these crimes are against me, God, for real... and there is no escaping me... so why do you think I am impatient or in a rush?... because Jew would be?... know your enemy know yourself sure... gets you some leverage but again... knowing me without illusion does not mean that i am not real... rather... that you can see me... like the illusion that you can fly... jump and find out... and yet... why not?... you see? only unlike jumping and falling... I do not, nor have I ever required your belief... in spite of your analysis... I am not trying to prove anything to you since to do so, in my opinion would be proactive preventative medicine but as far as that goes... too late... how much different things would be if only you had of taken the time to see that I am not speaking about exceptions...
get my rocks off in 2016?... don't have to... you all will do it for me... mmm... more human nature... going to be wild... no really... it is already happening with those smart phones... everything that once was heresay... like police brutality and murder was... like the past... no way of anything... but now you see... and i am just one more innocent who will spark more hatred against the Jews... so I do so willingly... to execute the jesus spell 2000... decide what your message will be and send it assholes... but with certainty comes action... not the illusion that such a thing could possibly be the other way around...
I refer you to the standford university research paper... power and evil... in spite of the crude title... it is enough to win my case right there... but apparently Jews like those sorts of surprises so in fact... I will make fools of them in court in front of their peers as a balance to what this shithole city has done to me these last 12 years... and then go to jail to continue my work...
but to prove it is intentional... that I am willing it... check out this spell and imaging the discipline it takes to complete it... like being an elite soldier... how many years did I tell you this... and each year your mockery grew into actions so that even pigs laughed and chalked it up to delusion... and as a consequence of their misjudgment... I forced actions that are corrected with pain... never calling on a brother once for help... taking my hits... and not using... I am a patricia to get out of a single physical confrontation...
and then... out of the blue, after I locked all those Jews in... bang... at the PPCLI reunion... the quality of the soldiers that I hung out with... and their recognition of not only my position as equal among them even now as a pussy eyed dope smoking civilian... but my missions to... and now... over 20 old friends suddenly reside on my facebook and growing... and they all know that not only do you think I am a loser... but that you think the corps or losers... and that our missions were a joke making a mockery of the whole regiment through your treatment of me...
and here is the catch in the spell Liam... I did tell you the truth... don't jump... hahaha...
anyway...
but in fact... you only speak of things which you have no experience... and thus... let me show you the spell for this specific case...
the idea of the succubus (or incubus)... the demon lovers)... again, Jews and anti-semetic Christianity tortured and murdered countless people in the most excruciating ways for conjuring succubus and incubus... so we know what the verdict is... but then, you see... to apply that verdict to those whom are guilty... would be like suggesting that in fact a succubus was nothing more than say... those two daughters who got Abraham pissed and passed out who then fucked him for his sperm... then raised their child in a magical fantasy... obviously in that context then... an incubus is rare...
and their children were called cambion... and the children if litith were called lilium... and in the beginning man created man and woman... and then... all the way down there in day six... he created woman for man... hahaha... two women... an I intend of accepting Lilith's adotption and turn my hatred and torture towards the slut and whore eve... but make no mistake tara... I am the stealer of children... and as such you and eve's crimes are against me... tick tock...
but then again, you see, on the other hand... anna-rachael are my succubae... and they are Lilith's daughters... earth women are shit... I do not know why anyone would want one... because as you know...
twisting the spell again here having received the knowledge of the truth liaM... that god created man and woman as one thing... the void and nothingness... no, not the nihilists wish... since there is no way of proving it as fact... unless of course it was one of those mistranslations of nirvana... divided you see creating the heavens and the earth... but even then Jewboy... it was the heavens and the seas... no firmament... thus you see, being such that I am Lucifer... air, heavens... that the waters you see are Lilith... but we never parted you see...
because the true name of God, my real name is from the nothingness where it became V and H... but the fact is... fire? Yod? created last... IHVH... hahaha... are you sure it is backwards?... the will is last and is the dharma-karma... so will to power hahaha... where did it land you assholes?
so you see Liam... this game of keep away is fun to me even though i am in the middle... but the fact is Jewboy... i am not, nor have I ever asked for more... and in fact... even now... in exchange for an open door... i am simply demanding that you replace what you have taken... impossible? what does that mean?... hahaha... you are humans...
Lucifer
brian mitchell
Aug 19, 2014, 7:20:36 PM8/19/14
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liaM wrote:
>I have the feeling you haven't understood the phrase "Nirvana is a
>result".
You're quite right. Please explain.
>I have the feeling you haven't understood the phrase "Nirvana is a
>result".
8.tim....@gmail.com
Aug 19, 2014, 8:49:04 PM8/19/14
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On Tuesday, August 19, 2014 5:20:36 PM UTC-6, brian mitchell wrote:
> You're quite right. Please explain.
rotflmao... hahaha... liaM can't explain it brian... no one understands me... and besides... lol... ssshhhhh... hahaha... its a secret... ahahaha...
> You're quite right. Please explain.
but here is a long deserved explaination brian... here is what the beef is...
again, a complete debrief and briefing at the reunion... check this out... a soldier, after over 20 years of service, much of it served over seas in combat... highly decorated vetertan... risked his life, his family suffered for us... and it is we that provide the security, not the pigs, that you require to live in the free world we provide... his pension after all that? $481/month.
and the fact is that all the canadian military is aware of this fact... too late... and now, all support services for the vets have been pulled right up to health care... you know... to care for all the damage we take fighting for canadians...
so to listen to assholes like liaM?... maybe it cannot happen in canada... but it can happen in the the US... in fact... is happening... take a look at the stats of civilians engaing police in ever increasing violence... sharp rise... and they out number us 10 to 1... but i guess it can not happen here...
but the reality is gang... what army are you talking about to defend you when it happens?... and as far as... first order... get to the armory... we are already sitting on top of everything you will need...
oh yeah, about my brother? he wrote harper... and the federal government told him to fuck off... unfortunately for that Jew... we have a silver dragon in ottawa right now... and i know having served with him... he, my friend... is a leader... and if... and likely when... he gives the order... your fucking world is over...
Lucifer
liaM
Aug 20, 2014, 3:52:51 PM8/20/14
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consequences can be modified. But the fact of the result, itself,
cannot be modified. Every result creates a new horizon, whether
accepted or denied.
In the event, Nirvana, is as instrumental as Galileo proving the earth
is round, in creating a new horizon.
8.tim....@gmail.com
Aug 25, 2014, 12:57:04 PM8/25/14
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On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 1:52:51 PM UTC-6, liaM wrote:
> A result can be modified after the fact in the sense that its
>
> consequences can be modified. But the fact of the result, itself,
>
> cannot be modified. Every result creates a new horizon, whether
>
> accepted or denied.
hahaha... now i know you are joking liaM... but i think i see what you are getting at... lies or ignorance?
> A result can be modified after the fact in the sense that its
>
> consequences can be modified. But the fact of the result, itself,
>
> cannot be modified. Every result creates a new horizon, whether
>
> accepted or denied.
it is like the effect of the last 15 years of my life... i could have called ten thousand angels at any time i wanted... but since after cranbrook there was nothing to lose you see... and of course that was a microcosm so really, how could anyone such as your self give a shit right?... but i did say i would make it a macrocosm... like imagining that circle again... with the edges you can not see... let's call that circle how much shit you are in... there is no sense suggesting you are on the ouside since a) law of expansion or contraction... and b)... like i said, you can not see the edge... so c) any answer you give... like annihilation of the soul memory is... a guess... there is no guess when it comes to jumping... but what is imporatnt here is that i adapt your behavior, not modify it to ensure maximum damage...
and as we know science can not be modified... adapted maybe... but not modified... 1+1=2... modifying the result makes you look stupid but in your case, we have already made this exception... yes, we call it a+;-@... if those symbols suit your needs but alas... it is still one apple and one apple and two apples... sort of since... of course even as two apples they each have their own defined space...
and then bang... in a few captured images and video... "who is that"... of which can not be modified beign the secret of secrets... but... maybe you will adapt in time.. but i doubt it... not without my help anyway... and even then... i only have band aids...
there is nothing new about the horizons you can discover... it only remains to wonder if you actually have the experience or just the words jealousy stolen from someone that has... and the fact that, being a Jew, you think that matters and is of such high value and important... you fight like a girl liaM...
> In the event, Nirvana, is as instrumental as Galileo proving the earth
>
> is round, in creating a new horizon.
in this case of course, i see what you mean entirely... that the play on nothing can be modiefied to represent the nihilist idea, first life fatalism...
but a simple observation may suggest that if it perceives nothing... how can it report back regarding its findings? and such a fact as annihilation of the soul... etc... would be rather...
so perhaps, like music and intonation... if you stress the word percieves... instead of nothing... you might get some insight into these works which,a s you know, were masked fromt he church as childrens stories to evade the anti-semitism if the catholics and christians at the time... and we all know what must be done to anti-semites since of course, they have made an industry of pointing the wrong way... like i said... didn't know what you wanted for christmas... but i do now...
in this case of course, the one cited above, issues regarding the soul and where one spends most of ones time, i can see the necessary adaptaion for survival since any later refuted observations might make you look ignorant once on an issue which...
fuck man, you do not want to get others involved and as for those you already have... you really do not want to be resulted in those findings... since adaption is a much better fate than modification yes?
but that is just mho.
:)
Lucifer
ultimate.h...@gmail.com
Aug 25, 2014, 2:58:51 PM8/25/14
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... hahahaha... you are wasting your time tim... his unfortunate use of the word "modified"... a nail...
liaM... modified is like "the bomb is in the building" in the context of the previous ignored emails and after the fact you see... suddenly, magically become "there is..."... that would be called a modification rather than an adaption...
an adaption would be, bringing up your preconceived ideas then looking at the "evidence" objectively... and then seeing the abuse of these social workers apparently backed by the provincial government... and all the violence it creates putting us all at risk...
you might have been compelled to drop and reassign those charges... because you can be certain... i will see this to the end... last out is the recce motto... to get all your fuckers on the record first... and with certainty decisions get made, seeds are planted and then comes action... but of course my spell is starting to take on a life of its own... sort of like a creation spell... only with the correct formulation and application... that is why it works... your mascarading to be a patria will get you only so far... like... until you meet one...
it is like you and most people i think that believe that some day someone just says war or revolution and at that start point we all start to organize... it doesn't work like that... it is more like that old game of football... everyone gets in position first... and that time scale is intentionally obscured to lose quick fix, next fix assholes like you... like giving yuo all the time you need to prove yourself...
of course... makes no sense... hmmm... it is like qaballa then... you see ground zero... back in cranbrook... and then ssssssss... all the way up to the crown... well... it seems to me that even in cranbrook i told you i was an undercover federal operative... fact... you see not only have i not modfied my story but i have failed to adapt it to...
so then, say... after all this sssss... that my reunion photos and videos... and i think it is at that point it hits the crown, your ego and like a lightening flash... and the fact is, i do not require (i think i have said this before) your belief... i have never bowed to that kind of pressure but you not only bow you get on your knees... that there in front of me... a portion of an entire regiment...
so really... i do not give a fuck what darrin harvey thinks... or the assholes in the bars... does... or modifies... he fucked up... connie... fucked up... wall... fucked up... george... fucked up... so what do you think... what lengths will they go (since they are unaware)... to ensure some fucking loser street mental case does not take away their educated, high paying, high profile jobs? i wanted to know to... will the final draft be finished by the end of november mr. prosecutor... what is the bill at any way?...
where did that feeling come from liaM?... just like listenting to jay jay last night when tim showed him his rank and position... then tim talked in the third person suggesting that "they" are in for Hell... and suddenly, up from his jealousy... he started to squirm... where did it come from liaM?... he is going on about his gang, and all the things he has done to "collect"... etc... it was quite funny... especially since he is a hard core kill the rats kind of loser... thanks for the intel jay jay...
then RJ came home... showed him the video to... and jay jay went off all over again... so you see liaM... even the tao has a sense of humor but... a sense of humor is not all that it is... but it is fun... an aquired enjoyment... but of course it was not my choice...
i mean think about what i am doing here... just like when i told you i was undercover... and your subsequent abuses hahaha in reaction to proving it wrong... but the fact is the militray did not let the cops in... but took the flags seriously as "e.t. called home"...
the mockery of not only a canadian soldier, but an elite canadian soldier... and a vet... and you mocked me to my very essence... so obviously i passed that along... that canadians do not give a fuck... bad sign steve but not for me... who have you told to fuck off this week asshole?... but more importantly... assholes like you and the Jew crew think we are toys... something to be played with... pushed and just like social services... something to be pushed over the edge... driven into the ground... and destroyed... but i digress... and the best part is all your stage magic?... let me know exactly what you fear... exactly what you do not want to happen to you and then, just as an overkill we all watched you react when we suggested that we are going to do unto you the same things you are guilty of doing to others... after all... we all want to see what sane people would do...
just like saying i am undercover which provoked a "certain" response out of you... and yet, chapetr 13 in the sun tzu with commentaries... the exact following of domestic procedure... investigation techiques, insane knowledge of Law... evidence collection... etc... but again darrin... that is the point of red and the goetia magic of invisibility... that if you had of paused for one second... gotten the programing out of your melon... had not of lied about that military service file... you would have seen and understood... but alas... what do you need that chance back for... what were those statistics that dropped again anna-m when cops were forced to wear personal recording devices?... becasue that is exactly the point you all miss... i was ordered... i didn't make it up... saskatoon was number 2 in canada and number 9 in the world for violent crime...
it was the same as when i used to say... i didn't know what you wanted for christmas... but now i do... remember when undercover was a delusion... and yet... as symptom of my mental illness... whose the sick puppy?... the inability to believe facts is just as sick as far as i am concerned... if only you had of followed up... but alas... just another jew to be run out of town by hook or crook and i have busted you doing both...
remember how funny my christmas line was?... how you... didn't get it... didn't understand and now... like a lightening flash... that feeling...
but the question is... since i have been saying the same thing, teaching the same lessons for as long as this group has been here... does it still trigger the same Jew response from you?...
or is that just yet another ego recoil demonstrating to you how fucked you are... an entire world that thinks the way you do is about to consume itself... and my team is bigger, badder and more blood thirst than any city pig crime ring ain't that right don?... and you with it... with extreme prejudice... kick a innocent dog long enough and it will bite...
after all... Jewboy... your crimes are against me and are personal... nothing at all to do with business... what is that current price tag again mr. prosecutor?... and now, debriefed... my men look to what the implications of "just business" might mean...
then of course the hope that no one else knows... it is all bullshit... just more rantings from a schizophrenic loser... and then the predictable trying to rebuild ones former unsustainable position... i think there is a point in there too... the shifting sand of your position... like throwing rocks if you know what i mean...
carry on... the saskatchewan PPCLI association is pulling its shit together... sound familiar history war buffs?... and it seems i have work to do...
what am i thinking... probably not... tim has a history of being busted in his delusions and bluffs...
Lucifer
liaM... modified is like "the bomb is in the building" in the context of the previous ignored emails and after the fact you see... suddenly, magically become "there is..."... that would be called a modification rather than an adaption...
an adaption would be, bringing up your preconceived ideas then looking at the "evidence" objectively... and then seeing the abuse of these social workers apparently backed by the provincial government... and all the violence it creates putting us all at risk...
you might have been compelled to drop and reassign those charges... because you can be certain... i will see this to the end... last out is the recce motto... to get all your fuckers on the record first... and with certainty decisions get made, seeds are planted and then comes action... but of course my spell is starting to take on a life of its own... sort of like a creation spell... only with the correct formulation and application... that is why it works... your mascarading to be a patria will get you only so far... like... until you meet one...
it is like you and most people i think that believe that some day someone just says war or revolution and at that start point we all start to organize... it doesn't work like that... it is more like that old game of football... everyone gets in position first... and that time scale is intentionally obscured to lose quick fix, next fix assholes like you... like giving yuo all the time you need to prove yourself...
of course... makes no sense... hmmm... it is like qaballa then... you see ground zero... back in cranbrook... and then ssssssss... all the way up to the crown... well... it seems to me that even in cranbrook i told you i was an undercover federal operative... fact... you see not only have i not modfied my story but i have failed to adapt it to...
so then, say... after all this sssss... that my reunion photos and videos... and i think it is at that point it hits the crown, your ego and like a lightening flash... and the fact is, i do not require (i think i have said this before) your belief... i have never bowed to that kind of pressure but you not only bow you get on your knees... that there in front of me... a portion of an entire regiment...
so really... i do not give a fuck what darrin harvey thinks... or the assholes in the bars... does... or modifies... he fucked up... connie... fucked up... wall... fucked up... george... fucked up... so what do you think... what lengths will they go (since they are unaware)... to ensure some fucking loser street mental case does not take away their educated, high paying, high profile jobs? i wanted to know to... will the final draft be finished by the end of november mr. prosecutor... what is the bill at any way?...
where did that feeling come from liaM?... just like listenting to jay jay last night when tim showed him his rank and position... then tim talked in the third person suggesting that "they" are in for Hell... and suddenly, up from his jealousy... he started to squirm... where did it come from liaM?... he is going on about his gang, and all the things he has done to "collect"... etc... it was quite funny... especially since he is a hard core kill the rats kind of loser... thanks for the intel jay jay...
then RJ came home... showed him the video to... and jay jay went off all over again... so you see liaM... even the tao has a sense of humor but... a sense of humor is not all that it is... but it is fun... an aquired enjoyment... but of course it was not my choice...
i mean think about what i am doing here... just like when i told you i was undercover... and your subsequent abuses hahaha in reaction to proving it wrong... but the fact is the militray did not let the cops in... but took the flags seriously as "e.t. called home"...
the mockery of not only a canadian soldier, but an elite canadian soldier... and a vet... and you mocked me to my very essence... so obviously i passed that along... that canadians do not give a fuck... bad sign steve but not for me... who have you told to fuck off this week asshole?... but more importantly... assholes like you and the Jew crew think we are toys... something to be played with... pushed and just like social services... something to be pushed over the edge... driven into the ground... and destroyed... but i digress... and the best part is all your stage magic?... let me know exactly what you fear... exactly what you do not want to happen to you and then, just as an overkill we all watched you react when we suggested that we are going to do unto you the same things you are guilty of doing to others... after all... we all want to see what sane people would do...
just like saying i am undercover which provoked a "certain" response out of you... and yet, chapetr 13 in the sun tzu with commentaries... the exact following of domestic procedure... investigation techiques, insane knowledge of Law... evidence collection... etc... but again darrin... that is the point of red and the goetia magic of invisibility... that if you had of paused for one second... gotten the programing out of your melon... had not of lied about that military service file... you would have seen and understood... but alas... what do you need that chance back for... what were those statistics that dropped again anna-m when cops were forced to wear personal recording devices?... becasue that is exactly the point you all miss... i was ordered... i didn't make it up... saskatoon was number 2 in canada and number 9 in the world for violent crime...
it was the same as when i used to say... i didn't know what you wanted for christmas... but now i do... remember when undercover was a delusion... and yet... as symptom of my mental illness... whose the sick puppy?... the inability to believe facts is just as sick as far as i am concerned... if only you had of followed up... but alas... just another jew to be run out of town by hook or crook and i have busted you doing both...
remember how funny my christmas line was?... how you... didn't get it... didn't understand and now... like a lightening flash... that feeling...
but the question is... since i have been saying the same thing, teaching the same lessons for as long as this group has been here... does it still trigger the same Jew response from you?...
or is that just yet another ego recoil demonstrating to you how fucked you are... an entire world that thinks the way you do is about to consume itself... and my team is bigger, badder and more blood thirst than any city pig crime ring ain't that right don?... and you with it... with extreme prejudice... kick a innocent dog long enough and it will bite...
after all... Jewboy... your crimes are against me and are personal... nothing at all to do with business... what is that current price tag again mr. prosecutor?... and now, debriefed... my men look to what the implications of "just business" might mean...
then of course the hope that no one else knows... it is all bullshit... just more rantings from a schizophrenic loser... and then the predictable trying to rebuild ones former unsustainable position... i think there is a point in there too... the shifting sand of your position... like throwing rocks if you know what i mean...
carry on... the saskatchewan PPCLI association is pulling its shit together... sound familiar history war buffs?... and it seems i have work to do...
what am i thinking... probably not... tim has a history of being busted in his delusions and bluffs...
Lucifer
liaM
Aug 25, 2014, 7:01:34 PM8/25/14
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On 8/25/2014 6:57 PM, 8.tim....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 1:52:51 PM UTC-6, liaM wrote:
>
>> A result can be modified after the fact in the sense that its
>>
>> consequences can be modified. But the fact of the result, itself,
>>
>> cannot be modified. Every result creates a new horizon, whether
>>
>> accepted or denied.
>
> hahaha... now i know you are joking liaM... but i think i see what you are getting at... lies or ignorance?
>
Moths love flames.. so do you, heh :)
> On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 1:52:51 PM UTC-6, liaM wrote:
>
>> A result can be modified after the fact in the sense that its
>>
>> consequences can be modified. But the fact of the result, itself,
>>
>> cannot be modified. Every result creates a new horizon, whether
>>
>> accepted or denied.
>
> hahaha... now i know you are joking liaM... but i think i see what you are getting at... lies or ignorance?
>
8.tim....@gmail.com
Aug 25, 2014, 7:44:48 PM8/25/14
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On Monday, August 25, 2014 5:01:34 PM UTC-6, liaM wrote:
> Moths love flames.. so do you, heh :)
hahaha... that was so easy liaM... flies love shit to... and obviously you prefer flame broiled to say that macdonald's crap... but as you can see liaM... like i have been trying to tell you all along... when you say... you do not understand... it is like when an asshole calls you an asshole... it is a compliment yes? but in the same context... what you just wrote... knowing the pov from which it was written... makes no senses..
> Moths love flames.. so do you, heh :)
so anyway... not only did nothing perceive of nothing in the tree of life liaM... like a conscious state without illusions... which of course there is only one word... pure or absolute...
but it perceived... check this out... three dimensions, levels or shells of nothing... now that just has me all confused and silly... what about you liaM? and all this from annihilation... oblivion... the erasure of the soul memory vehicle and then... then... the guy comes back from there and remembers everything... not just everything liaM... but check it out... three rabbis walk into the holy of holies... one is killed instantly... one goes completely insane and one walks away without a scratch... go figure... sounds like them bardos tang is always saying "don't go in there"... what a pain in the ass!
apparently however... you have a choice of whether or not to believe it... so at least that doesn't change between right eye and left eye...
and so i am like... sure... they are both traps and we can say there are two traps... but one is a ankle trap and the other a snare... like here (holding up a fork) is one and here (holding up a salt shaker in the other hand) is one... but when i add 1+1 guess what liaM?... i never equals two...
like say one is malkuth and the other is kether... they are the same but different liaM... the lower is cruelty to animals while the upper... well... in spite of all the signs... you put your head in there (because i listened to master tang) not me and then thought it would be a good idea to struggle... instead of calmly reversing the process... i thought you said you knew what you were doing... just one picture for the chicks... and i am like liaM... you are a rabbit not a chick... and then your eyes went blood shot and bulgy and you refused to speak to me for the rest of the day... so i left...
so what do you think liaM?... that... is "what saw" is nothing, is "what was seen" is nothing ... or... is it more like eating both apples so now we can say there is one apple in my belly?...
as in, since obviously i am being crazy and in code, sending signals to throw off the pigs... but as far as the tao of qualities go however...
it is neither apple or apple, two apples, or two apples smashed up into one apple in my belly... any more but... something else that was apples... and that is not all since that... something else out of nothing... like my posts... is merely at the beginning of its "digestive cycle"... hahaha...
in other words... they are both nothing which when reflected became something... or... both being something, both being the absence of something...
anna
liaM
Aug 26, 2014, 9:26:10 AM8/26/14
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are about what they perceive as being incomplete in their lives..
.. like - gossamer - mummy - wrap - as - if - a - coccoon
8.tim....@gmail.com
Aug 26, 2014, 12:45:18 PM8/26/14
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On Tuesday, August 26, 2014 7:26:10 AM UTC-6, liaM wrote:
> People would be happier would they understand that all their thoughts
> are about what they perceive as being incomplete in their lives..
boddhisattva fulfillment only transfers self doubt into the need to help others... who knows these thoughts complete?
> People would be happier would they understand that all their thoughts
> are about what they perceive as being incomplete in their lives..
> .. like - gossamer - mummy - wrap - as - if - a - coccoon
dude... congratulations.... bwahahahahahaha...
you are offcially lost and alone.
Lucifer
liaM
Aug 26, 2014, 2:52:48 PM8/26/14
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your thoughts Tim. A zillion thread runs through your mind everyday,
each thread strong enough to tether your ego to the salt-lick.
harry carrey
Aug 26, 2014, 3:32:55 PM8/26/14
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harry carrey
Aug 26, 2014, 3:34:18 PM8/26/14
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liaM
Aug 26, 2014, 4:00:58 PM8/26/14
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disservice to humanity)
Guess what it is.
harry carrey
Aug 26, 2014, 4:05:11 PM8/26/14
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8.tim....@gmail.com
Aug 26, 2014, 4:37:59 PM8/26/14
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On Tuesday, August 26, 2014 1:34:18 PM UTC-6, harry carrey wrote:
> http://oi57.tinypic.com/144ctw7.jpg
+1 like
> http://oi57.tinypic.com/144ctw7.jpg
+1 like
8.tim....@gmail.com
Aug 26, 2014, 4:39:54 PM8/26/14
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... reminds me of salvador dali's work...
8.tim....@gmail.com
Aug 26, 2014, 4:43:16 PM8/26/14
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On Tuesday, August 26, 2014 12:52:48 PM UTC-6, liaM wrote:
> A zillion thread runs through your mind everyday, each thread strong enough to tether your ego to the salt-lick.
patience patient... it has nothing to do with the salt... i just like licking and breathing fire... it is what dragons do... don't ya know...
> A zillion thread runs through your mind everyday, each thread strong enough to tether your ego to the salt-lick.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptepeQ_8y-A
r
liaM
Aug 26, 2014, 5:22:05 PM8/26/14
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!
8.tim....@gmail.com
Aug 26, 2014, 8:34:44 PM8/26/14
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On Tuesday, August 26, 2014 3:22:05 PM UTC-6, liaM wrote:
> You like ass don't you
> !
hahaha... liaM! what in Hell has gotten into you?... hahaha...
> You like ass don't you
> !
no. no... dr. freud says it is an oral fixation... the chicks dig it... it wasn't until i got older and more experienced did i realize how rare it is for a guy to go down on a chick... ass? sometimes... but she has to reciprocate which rarely happens... but when she does... whatever she does... yeah liaM... i confess.. i like it.
and dr. jung, my hero, says it is only an archtypal dragon... so i should not actually try to breathe fire or fly... which is a great point when it comes to death and the devil... that is the difference i think liaM... lie vs. truth... you see... i told you what would happen and it did so there is no karma but your own... but say... if i had of said... don't jump unless you want to feather fall into a banquet of 72 virgins... but then what would the devil say after that? hungry virgins?
Lucifer
harry carrey
Aug 26, 2014, 9:47:44 PM8/26/14
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spooky.
harry carrey
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harry carrey
Aug 26, 2014, 10:27:13 PM8/26/14
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8.tim....@gmail.com
Aug 27, 2014, 12:38:27 PM8/27/14
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On Tuesday, August 26, 2014 8:27:13 PM UTC-6, harry carrey wrote:
> +1 lick
yeah harry... me and liaM go as far back as cranbrook... he had a van... still had the quebec lisence plates... he was dating D... or being her pretend demon or some other bullshit... and of course X wanted D more than the devil and fucked her son out of God knows what in the cross fire... i still recall the reading... 2 of Cups... and both of them gave it all away but alas, sweet karma... temporary unlike myself which is permanent... maybe that is the problem with first lifers... you see harry... no one says when i have to tell the truth... and my life has been very full... helps when baiting first life losers... so i take my time... an evil expression of vengence... i have more of course... so much more i could teach... but alas, until those plates are clean... i will force feed left overs until you all finally cross that line... you know from illusion to real...
like harper harry... telling a democratic canada to fuck off... the refusal of the police... our alledged defenders... to launch in inquiry into the abuse and murder of the most vulnerable people of our country... any ideas why the police refuse to investigate a serious trend in crime harry?... especially crimes of that nature... i do... i mean they can not even keep their hands of their fellow officers in a professional work place... and i have witnessed first hand how the police treat native women when i was up on 22nd...
so you see harry, in that context... harper is setting up his regime and in fact the pigs are taliban as they influence and command everything in canada through a sense of fear... i mean look what they did to me and look how far they are willing to take it harry... i mean that is how fucking stupid pigs are... like civ 4... they are the assholes that think the cat is away... that we muster an entire army to take overseas leaving the homeland undefended...
Lucifer
> +1 lick
yeah harry... me and liaM go as far back as cranbrook... he had a van... still had the quebec lisence plates... he was dating D... or being her pretend demon or some other bullshit... and of course X wanted D more than the devil and fucked her son out of God knows what in the cross fire... i still recall the reading... 2 of Cups... and both of them gave it all away but alas, sweet karma... temporary unlike myself which is permanent... maybe that is the problem with first lifers... you see harry... no one says when i have to tell the truth... and my life has been very full... helps when baiting first life losers... so i take my time... an evil expression of vengence... i have more of course... so much more i could teach... but alas, until those plates are clean... i will force feed left overs until you all finally cross that line... you know from illusion to real...
like harper harry... telling a democratic canada to fuck off... the refusal of the police... our alledged defenders... to launch in inquiry into the abuse and murder of the most vulnerable people of our country... any ideas why the police refuse to investigate a serious trend in crime harry?... especially crimes of that nature... i do... i mean they can not even keep their hands of their fellow officers in a professional work place... and i have witnessed first hand how the police treat native women when i was up on 22nd...
so you see harry, in that context... harper is setting up his regime and in fact the pigs are taliban as they influence and command everything in canada through a sense of fear... i mean look what they did to me and look how far they are willing to take it harry... i mean that is how fucking stupid pigs are... like civ 4... they are the assholes that think the cat is away... that we muster an entire army to take overseas leaving the homeland undefended...
Lucifer
8.tim....@gmail.com
Aug 27, 2014, 8:42:15 PM8/27/14
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On Tuesday, August 26, 2014 8:27:13 PM UTC-6, harry carrey wrote:
> +1 lick
holy shit hc... are you checking out ameteur hour on the free downloads-zen and advaita vedanta... if it wasn't for liaM that whole thread would fall apart...
> +1 lick
Lucifer
Alex Ka
Sep 19, 2014, 12:05:56 AM9/19/14
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Am Sonntag, 10. August 2014 06:09:48 UTC+2 schrieb heron stone:
> i haven't been here in a while
>
>
>
> it's hilarious to see that the "Stories, Disbasing Zen" guy
>
> is still at it
> anyway, i want to share a thought with you...
> the voice in your head is not something YOU are doing
> it's something happening TO you
> you have been hijacked by your own language machine
> wake up from the trance of language
> "i" is a story
Alex:
It cannot be known. Thoughts and feelings are ultimately perceptions and can be part of the Matrix or not. This is where cogito ergo sum falls short.
All that I know is: there are perceptions. Not even the existance of a perceiver is known.
> i haven't been here in a while
>
>
>
> it's hilarious to see that the "Stories, Disbasing Zen" guy
>
> is still at it
> anyway, i want to share a thought with you...
> the voice in your head is not something YOU are doing
> it's something happening TO you
> you have been hijacked by your own language machine
> wake up from the trance of language
> "i" is a story
Alex:
It cannot be known. Thoughts and feelings are ultimately perceptions and can be part of the Matrix or not. This is where cogito ergo sum falls short.
All that I know is: there are perceptions. Not even the existance of a perceiver is known.
Alex Ka
Sep 19, 2014, 12:09:28 AM9/19/14
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Am Donnerstag, 14. August 2014 00:24:14 UTC+2 schrieb heron stone:
> .in my way of thinking about this, the most important aspect is
>
> breaking identification with the language machine...
Alex:
There is no one most important aspect. You can completely identify with anything and still walk a free man.
> .in my way of thinking about this, the most important aspect is
>
> breaking identification with the language machine...
Alex:
There is no one most important aspect. You can completely identify with anything and still walk a free man.
Niunian
Sep 19, 2014, 9:34:15 AM9/19/14
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