Re: For The Holocaust Denying Nazis

[H. Bergman]

On 26 Jan 2016, Eric© <er...@nil.invalid.com> posted some
news:MPG.31115021c...@reader.albasani.net:

> Kixi wrote...
>>
>> On 2016-01-26 at 03:45:47 gregca...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> > On January 26, 1945 at 1 am an SS unit which task was to erase the
>> > traces of the crimes, blew up the Crematorium V, the last remaining
>> > crematorium at the Auschwitz II-Birkenau camp. Never again.
>>
>> Upon what documents is this claim based?
>>
>> A crematorium is for storing and cremating corpses - a sanitary way
>> of dealing with corpses in Germany and occupied territories. If it
>> were a "gas chamber" the steel pipes and concrete impregnated with
>> cyanide residue would remain. Nothing but rubble exists.
>>
>> No evidence that the rubble is anything but a storage vault doubling
>> as an air raid shelter. If otherwise, what document?
>
> Ummm... but HCN compounds *were* found. Your pals (like Fred
> Leuchter) blamed that on fumigation for a typhoid outbreak in the
> camps. Get with the program, Kixi. You can't just go around making
> stuff up, you know.

HCN = Zyklon B. Compounds minus an infrastructure for dispersal tends
to cast grave doubts on the Jew accounts of genocide. Who is to say the
Germans did not indeed use it for pest control, just as the City of New
York did when the Jews moved in there?

Consider this. If the Germans had intended to kill the Jews in the
first place, why did they round them up and put them in camps - just to
kill them later?

Think about it. The military is in control, there is nothing to hide.

It would require a tremendous amount of logistical resources to
transport, feed and maintain the confinees, resources that were
desperately needed for troops at war. It is a simple matter of
priorities.

Military efficiency would be to simply dispatch and bury them. Bullets
were cheaper and safer to use than Zyklon B.

A commander would not want to risk exposing his own troops to lethal
residual compounds during the clean up of bodies. He needs every
able-bodied man he can get.

Gassing would have been infinitely preferable as opposed to being
mortally wounded and bulldozed into a hole in the ground. Given no
other choices, which would you consider more humane?

The Japanese and Chinese, faced with the same problems, just slaughtered
their prisoners and left them where they fell. Apparently barbaric
behavior such as this was expected of them.

These same life terminating actions that so offended the "clean hands"
societies of Europe and the US were ignored, and the Jew "atrocities"
amplified out of reasonable proportion with only circumstantial evidence
if any at all.

The Jew gassing narrative simply does not make sense because of the
sheer inefficiency of it.


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[Eris]

Perhaps the German records will provide a clue. How about all of the videos?

[M.I.Wakefield]

"H. Bergman" wrote in message news:XnsA59B808...@202.81.252.44...

Fuck off and die, you vile little neo-nazi cunt.

[meport]

On 1/26/2016 3:38 PM, H. Bergman wrote:
> Upon what documents is this claim based?

You mean "upon what eye witness accounts is this claim based" don't you?
Yep, that's what you mean because no one is dumb enough to deny this
happened but then again we come across a total moron and I guess we just
did, again.

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[Topaz]

By Faurisson

The Unraveling of the Witnesses at the First Zündel Trial (1985)

The important victory won by revisionism in France on April 26, 1983,
would go on to confirm itself in 1985 with the first Zündel trial in
Toronto. I would like to dwell a moment on this trial in order to
underscore the impact on one's point of view, and especially as far as
the testimonies on the Auschwitz gas chambers are concerned: for the
first time since the war, Jewish witnesses were subjected to a regular
cross-examination. Moreover, without wanting to minimize the
importance of the second Zündel trial (that of 1988), I should like it
to be understood that the 1985 trial already contained the seeds for
all that was attained in the 1988 trial, including the report by
Leuchter and all the scientific reports which, in the aftermath, would
proliferate in the wake of the Leuchter Report.

In 1985, as also afterwards in 1988, I served as advisor to Ernst
Zündel and his lawyer, Douglas Christie. I accepted this heavy
responsibility only under condition that all the Jewish witnesses
would, for the first time, be cross-examined on the material nature of
the reported facts, bluntly and without discretion. I had noted, in
effect, that from 1945 to 1985, Jewish witnesses had been granted
virtual immunity. Never had any defense lawyer thought or dared to ask
them for material explanations about the gas chambers (exact location,
physical appearance, dimensions, internal and external structure), or
about the homicidal gassing (the operational procedure from beginning
to end, the tools employed, the precautions taken by the executioners
before, during and after execution).

On rare occasions, as at the trial of Tesch, Drosihn and
Weinbacher,[5] lawyers formulated some unusual questions of a material
nature, hardly troublesome for the witness, but these always found
themselves on the fringes of the more fundamental questions which
should have been asked. No lawyer ever demanded clarifications on a
weapon which, indeed, he had never seen and that no one had ever shown
him. At the major Nuremberg Trial of 1945-46, the German lawyers had
manifested total discretion on this point. At the proceedings against
Eichmann in Jerusalem in 1961, the lawyer Dr. Robert Servatius had not
wanted to raise the question; in a letter on this subject dated June
21, 1974, he wrote me: "Eichmann hat selbst keine Gaskammer gesehen;
die Frage wurde nicht diskutiert; er hat sich aber auch nicht gegen
deren Existenz gewandt" [Eichmann himself had not seen any gas
chamber; the question was not discussed; but neither did he raise the
issue of their existence].[6]

At the Frankfurt Trial of 1963-65, the lawyers showed themselves to be
particularly timid. I should mention that the atmosphere was rather
inhospitable for the defense and the accused. This show trial will
remain as a blot on the honor of German justice as on the person of
Hans Hofmeyer, initially Landgerichtsdirektor, then Senatspräsident.
During more than 180 sessions, the judges and juries, the public
prosecutors and the private parties, the accused and their attorneys,
as well as the journalists who had come from around the world,
accepted as a complete physical representation of the 'crime weapon' a
mere map of the camp of Auschwitz and a map of the camp of Birkenau,
whereupon five minuscule geometric figures were inscribed for the
location of each of the alleged homicidal gas chambers, with the
words, for Auschwitz: "Altes Krematorium", and for Birkenau:
"Krematorium II", "Krematorium III", "Krematorium IV", and
"Krematorium V"! These maps[7] were displayed in the courtroom.

The Revisionists have often compared the Frankfurt trial with the
1450-1650 trials against witchcraft. Nevertheless, at least during
those trials, someone sometimes bothered to describe or depict the
witches' sabbath. At the Frankfurt trial, even among the lawyers who
made difficulties for a witness like Filip Müller, not one asked of a
Jewish witness or a repentant German defendant to describe for him in
greater detail what he was purported to have seen. Despite two
judicial visits to the scene of the crime at Auschwitz, accompanied by
some German lawyers, it seems not one of the latter insisted on any
technical explanations or criminological expertise regarding the
murder weapon. To the contrary, one of them, Anton Reiners, a
Frankfurt lawyer, pushed complacency to the point of having himself
photographed by the press while raising the chute cover by which the
SS supposedly sprinkled Zyklon B granules into the alleged Auschwitz
gas chamber.

And so at Toronto in 1985, I had fully decided to do away with these
anomalies, to break the taboo and, for starters, pose, or rather have
Douglas Christie pose, questions to the experts and Jewish witnesses
as one normally poses in every trial where one is supposed to
establish whether a crime has been committed and, if so, by whom, how
and when.

Fortunately for me, Ernst Zündel accepted my conditions and Douglas
Christie consented to adopt this course of action and to pose to the
experts and witnesses the questions that I would prepare for him. I
was convinced that, in this manner, all might change, and the veil
woven by so many false testimonies could be torn away. While I was not
counting on Ernst Zündel's acquittal and we were all resigned to
paying the price for our audacity, I nevertheless had hope that with
the aid of this far-sighted man of character, and thanks to his
intrepid lawyer, history, if not justice, would at last carry him into
historical prominence.

From the moment of the first cross-examination, a tremor of panic
began to creep its way amid the ranks of the prosecution. Every
evening and throughout most of the night, I would prepare the
questions to ask. In the morning, I would turn over these questions,
accompanied by the necessary documents, to lawyer Doug Christie who,
for his part and with the aid of his female collaborator, conducted
the essentially legal aspects of the effort. During the
cross-examinations, I maintained a position close to the lawyer's
podium and unremittingly furnished, on yellow notepads, supplementary
and improvisational questions according to the experts' and witnesses'
responses.

The expert cited by the prosecution was Dr. Raul Hilberg, author of
The Destruction of European Jews. Day after day, he was subjected to
such humiliation that, when solicited in 1988 by a new prosecutor for
a new trial against Ernst Zündel, Prof. Hilberg refused to return to
give witness; he explained the motive for his refusal in a
confidential letter wherein he acknowledged his fear of having to once
again confront the questions of Douglas Christie. From the
cross-examination of Dr. Raul Hilberg, it was definitively brought out
that no one possessed any proof for the existence either of an order,
a plan, an instruction, or a budget for the presumed physical
extermination of the Jews. Furthermore, no one possessed either an
expertise of the murder weapon (whether gas chamber or gas van), or an
autopsy report establishing the murder of a detainee by poison gas.
However, in the absence of evidence regarding the weapon and victim,
did there exist witnesses of the crime?

A testimony must always be verified. The usual first means of
proceeding to this verification is to confront the assertions of the
witness with the results of investigations or expert opinion regarding
the material nature of the crime. In the case at hand, there were
neither investigations, nor expertise relative to the alleged
Auschwitz gas chambers. Here is what made any cross-examination
difficult. Yet, this difficulty should not serve as an excuse, and one
might even say that a cross-examination becomes ever more
indispensable because, without it, there no longer remains any way of
knowing whether the witness is telling the truth or not.

Jewish Witnesses Finally Cross-Examined:
Arnold Friedman and Dr. Rudolf Vrba

For those persons interested in the technical and documentary means by
which we were nevertheless in a position to severely cross-examine the
two principal Jewish witnesses, Arnold Friedman and Dr. Rudolf Vrba, I
can do no better than to recommend a reading of the trial
transcript.[8] Pages 304-371 cover the questioning and
cross-examination of Arnold Friedman; the latter breaks down on pages
445-446 when he ends by acknowledging that he in fact saw nothing,
that he had spoken from hearsay because, according to him, he had met
persons who were convincing; perhaps, he added, he would have adopted
the position of Mr. Christie rather than that of these other persons
if only Mr. Christie had been able to tell him back then what he was
telling him now!

Dr. Vrba was a witness of exceptional importance. One might even say
about this trial in Toronto that the prosecution had found the means
of recruiting 'Holocaust' expert number one in the person of Dr. Raul
Hilberg, and witness number one in the person of Dr. Rudolf Vrba. The
testimony of this latter gentleman had been one of the principal
sources of the famous War Refugee Board Report on the German
Extermination Camps - Auschwitz and Birkenau, published in November
1944 by the Executive Office of President Roosevelt. Dr. R. Vrba was
also the author of I Cannot Forgive,[9] written in collaboration with
Alan Bestic who, in his preface, declares with regard to him:

"Indeed I would like to pay tribute to him for the immense trouble he
took over every detail; for the meticulous, almost fanatical respect
he revealed for accuracy." (p.2).

,Never perhaps, had a court of justice seen a witness express himself
with more assurance on the Auschwitz gas chambers. Yet, by the end of
the cross-examination, the situation had reversed itself to the point
where Dr. R. Vrba was left with only one explanation for his errors
and his lies: in his book he had, he confessed, resorted to "poetic
license" or, as he was wont to say in Latin, to "licentia poetarum"!

In the end, a bit of drama unfolded: Mr. Griffiths, the prosecutor who
had himself solicited the presence of this witness numero uno and yet
now apparently exasperated by Dr. Vrba's lies, fired off the following
question:

"You told Mr. Christie several times in discussing your book I Cannot
Forgive that you used poetic license in writing that book. Have you
used poetic license in your testimony?" (p. 1636).

The false witness tried to parry the blow but prosecutor Griffiths hit
him with a second question equally treacherous, this time concerning
the number of gassing victims which Vrba had given; the witness
responded with garrulous nonsense; Griffiths was getting ready to ask
him a third and final question when suddenly, the matter was cut short
and one heard the prosecutor say to the judge:

"I have no further questions for Dr. Vrba" (p. 1643).

Crestfallen, the witness left the dock. Dr. Vrba's initial
questioning, cross-examination and final questioning filled 400 pages
of transcripts (pp. 1244-1643). These pages could readily be used in
an encyclopedia of law under a chapter on the detection of false
witnesses.

The Prosecution Gives up on Calling Witnesses

Three years later, in 1988, during the second trial against Ernst
Zündel, the public prosecutor deemed it prudent to abandon any
recourse to witnesses. Canadian justice had apparently understood the
lesson of the first trial: there were no credible witnesses to the
existence and operation of the 'Nazi gas chambers'.

Little by little, every other country in the world has learned this
same lesson. At the trial of Klaus Barbie in France, in 1987, there
was talk about the gas chambers of Auschwitz but no one produced any
witnesses who could properly speak about them.[10] The attorney
Jacques Vergès, courageous yet not foolhardy, preferred to avoid the
subject. This was a stroke of luck for the Jewish lawyers who feared
nothing so much as to see me appearing at the side of Mr. Vergès. If
this gentleman had accepted my offer to counsel him, we in France
might have been able to strike a tremendous blow against the myth of
the gas chambers.

All the while in France, during several revisionist trials, Jewish
witnesses sometimes came to evoke the gas chambers but none of them
testified before the court as to having seen one or having
participated in a homicidal gassing by hauling bodies out of the 'gas
chambers'.

Today, gas chamber witnesses are making themselves extremely scarce
and the Demjanjuk trial in Israel, which once again has revealed how
much false testimony is involved in the matter, has contributed to the
suppression. Several years ago, it happened that I was aggressively
questioned at the rear of a law court by elderly Jews who presented
themselves as "living witnesses to the gas chambers of Auschwitz",
showing me their tattoos. It was necessary for me only to ask them to
look me in the eyes and to describe for me a gas chamber that
inevitably they retorted:

"How could I do this? If I had seen a gas chamber with my own eyes I
would not be here today to speak with you; I myself would have been
gassed also."

This brings us back, as one can see, to Simone Veil and her
declaration of May 7, 1983, about which we already know what we should
think…

www.tomatobubble.com www.ihr.org http://nationalvanguard.org

http://national-socialist-worldview.blogspot.com

[Topaz]

Holocaust heavyweight Rudolf Vrba, under cross-examination in a
Canadian courtroom, states under oath that 150,000 French Jews were
gassed at Auschwitz, in spite of the fact that the entire number of
Jews deported from France were only 75,721. Vrba claims he arrived at
his count "scientifically" by having listened to the language spoken
by the inmates at Auschwitz and examining their luggage (!). The
author of "I Cannot Forgive" next confessed that his book was "an
artistic picture ... not a document for a court," in spite of the fact
that Vrba's testimony was crucial to both the War Refugee Board and
the Auschwitz Trials in West Germany. Vrba further admitted that his
written and pictorial descriptions of Auschwitz crematoria were a
result of guessing, based on "what I heard it might look like." Oops!

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth,
he will either quit being mistaken or cease being honest.

[Jack G.]

Next try and tell us the earth is flat. My cats want to know.

Jack

[StumpyVet]

so I guess there was much celebration in the Zundel camp in 2005 and
2007. hmmm....?

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a mistake he musta been off in the litter box.

[StumpyVet]

I'd like his explanation of how Zundel celebrated 2005 and 2007
explain why Zundel went to Germany from Canada...it would seem if he'd
done all that good in Canada Zundel wouldn't go face a judge in Germany
especially with the results.

I find it interesting how the brains of these clowns work. I suppose
Anne Frank is living on a lush tropical island with Amelia Earhart (well
at least we've come to understand Amelia made the island but it wasn't
paradise...Anne Frank never had a chance)

[meport]

Bush lite and his side kick darth cheney swore under oath that Iraq was
developing an atomic bomb and chemical weapons. They too were just
"sort of wrong" also, right?

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[meport]

There is no proof that the nazi's ate the victims of the holistic but we
can't say as much about the guys living on the island where Amelia hit
the dirt, can we?
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[meport]

On 1/26/2016 5:10 PM, Topaz wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 16:40:52 -0500, meport <w...@did.good> wrote:
>
>> On 1/26/2016 3:38 PM, H. Bergman wrote:
>>> Upon what documents is this claim based?
>>
>> You mean "upon what eye witness accounts is this claim based" don't you?
>> Yep, that's what you mean because no one is dumb enough to deny this
>> happened but then again we come across a total moron and I guess we just
>> did, again.
>>
>
>

>

> www.tomatobubble.com www.ihr.org http://nationalvanguard.org
>
> http://national-socialist-worldview.blogspot.com
>

I cut out the nutcase rant that preceded the cites. Funny about those
cites. They are all url's of nazi loving lunatic nutso organizations.
Nice work there, nutso. Posting nutso cites is par for your course, and
you just proved it.

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[meport]

On 1/26/2016 5:06 PM, Topaz wrote:
>
> By Faurisson
>

WHAT???? This little rant you posted is beyond nutso. It's perverse.
It's totally nuts. It's just plain dumb, beyond belief.



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[redv...@gmail.com]

On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 16:22:46 -0500, "M.I.Wakefield" <no...@present.com>
wrote:

>"H. Bergman" wrote in message news:XnsA59B808...@202.81.252.44...
>
>Fuck off and die, you vile little neo-nazi cunt.

indeed...
Well said M.I. Wakefield, and welcome to alt.war.vietnam

redvet
http://www.vvawai.org/

[︰ones]

On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 12:57:36 -0800 (PST), in alt.war.vietnam Eris
<vit...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> These same life terminating actions that so offended the "clean hands"
>> societies of Europe and the US were ignored, and the Jew "atrocities"
>> amplified out of reasonable proportion with only circumstantial evidence
>> if any at all.
>>
>> The Jew gassing narrative simply does not make sense because of the
>> sheer inefficiency of it.
>>
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>
>Perhaps the German records will provide a clue. How about all of the videos?

Well, there is overwhelming evidence to the point where denial is
nonsensical.

OTOH, the numbers are derived from taking the Jewish population in the
pre-war years and assuming that they kept the same rate of growth; any
fewer numbers of Jews *after* the war are attributed to the Nazi
extermination efforts.

The fact is that, while the rest of Europe (and particularly Germany)
starved in the freezing darkness, the Jewish people were doing *very*
well due to arbitrage. During the war, their birth rate dropped
significantly as did everyone's. Also, Jews died in allied bombings
the same as everyone else. Bottom line: while the Holocaust happened
and was an unspeakable abomination, the "six million" number is
grossly inflated.

But, then... if one takes a more conservative number: let's say *only*
a paltry million or so died in the camps (and that number can be
documented), does that make it any less of a crime?

Jones

[Eris]

Wasn't there a trial in Nuremberg ?

[︰ones]

On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 16:40:52 -0500, in alt.war.vietnam meport
<w...@did.good> wrote:

>You mean "upon what eye witness accounts is this claim based" don't you?
>Yep, that's what you mean because no one is dumb enough to deny this
>happened but then again we come across a total moron and I guess we just
>did, again.

Oh, only a moron would try to claim it didn't happen. I just don't
buy into the "innocent Jews" idea.

Playing quick and dirty: in the '30s, the German economy had
essentially collapsed largely due to huge WWI reparations and other
reasons. The other countries in Europe weren't a *lot* better off;
however, a complete German economic melt-down was not good for them.
To that end, they propped up the German currency. This meant that a
mark was worth significantly more in, say, France than it was on the
street in Germany... dealing in money is known as arbitrage and was
highly illegal at the time.

The Jewish people were a super-national entity and in the perfect
place to become extreamly wealthy due to that situation. While the
average German was trying to stave off starvation, the Jews were
collecting art and amassing Swiss bank accounts... which were also
illegal. When the Nazis suggested hearding them all into gas
chambers, the whole country said: "Right on!!!"

We'd do the same thing under similar circumstances in the US in a
heartbeat. Remember that Adolph Hitler was overwhelming elected by
the popular vote.

The war belonged to the Jewish people too. They were into it up to
their kiesters in it.

Jones

[︰ones]

On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 18:08:44 -0800 (PST), in alt.war.vietnam Eris
<vit...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Wasn't there a trial in Nuremberg ?

Oh, there was some event.

[David Johnston]

Not in the real world.

[︰ones]

On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 20:10:40 -0700, in alt.war.vietnam David Johnston
<Da...@block.net> wrote:

>> We'd do the same thing under similar circumstances in the US in a
>> heartbeat.
>

>Not in the real world.

Oh, absolutely we would. Americans are a very violent and aggressive
people. We have just been lucky enough not to have ever been in such
a dire situation and had a nice little minority group to blame.
Compared to the US, the Germans are a bunch of pacifist hippies.
(Hint: compare the violent crime rates.)

In a heartbeat, I tell you!

Jones

[David Johnston]

On 1/26/2016 8:52 PM, �Jones wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 20:10:40 -0700, in alt.war.vietnam David Johnston
> <Da...@block.net> wrote:
>

>>
>> Not in the real world.
>
> Oh, absolutely we would.

In the real world Hitler was NOT elected with an overwhelming majority.
He got into power by a coalition deal.

[︰ones]

On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 20:55:40 -0700, in alt.war.vietnam David Johnston
<Da...@block.net> wrote:

>In the real world Hitler was NOT elected with an overwhelming majority.
> He got into power by a coalition deal.

Whatever.

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

ĄJones wrote:
>
> the "six million" number is grossly inflated.

I grew up believing that 6 million total Jews were killed and I had
much sympathy for the Jews.

But one day I heard on radio news that the 4 million claimed killed
in Achwitz was wrong, that it was really 2 million (they took down
the plaque "four million..." in front). So I figured the 6 million
would be adjusted downward...never happened.

A year later I heard that the 2 million at Achwitz was wrong and
again they took down the front plaque. Today they claim about 1
million Jews killed at Achwitz. Again I assumed the 6 million total
would be adjusted downward...never happened.

I have never heard an explanation why the total number of 6 million
has never been adjusted down to 3 million...still a terrible war crime.

It seems that to ask is to be called an anti-semite or "denier" or nazi.

oh well...so I don't ask.
;-)

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

ĄJones wrote:
>
> the "six million" number is grossly inflated.

[Colonel Edmund J. Burke]

Wow! A whole bunch of "political analysts," LOL
Hindsight is 20/20--don't ferget that, you bubble-headed ding-dongs.

[Kixi]

The reason 6 - 2 - 1 = 6 is because you have to use HoloMath. Special
laws have been enacted and special rules apply to keep the Holocaust
going.

Examples:

A Jew can be cremated using just a shoebox of coke.

Tons of Jewish ashes and bone fragments can disappear without a trace.

Six million can be exterminated without any documentary evidence.

Mass graves can be restored to fool not-then-invented ground
penetrating radar into showing that nothing had been disturbed since
the last ice age.

[Eris]

let's say 2 Million were exterminated? What difference does it make if it is 6 million or 2 million? It was still a horrific act, unless you are a deranged jew hater.

[dino]

In article <56a907d3$0$5901$b1db1813$796...@news.astraweb.com>, Kixi says...

So, your conspiracy theory suggests the holocaust is a conspiracy theory.

[Topaz]

by Theodore J. O'Keefe

Nothing has been more effective in establishing the authenticity of
the Holocaust story in the minds of Americans than the terrible scenes
US troops discovered when they entered German concentration camps at
the close of World War II.

At Dachau, Buchenwald, Dora, Mauthausen, and other work and detention
camps, horrified US infantrymen encountered heaps of dead and dying
inmates, emaciated and diseased. Survivors told them hair-raising
stories of torture and slaughter, and backed up their claims by
showing the GIs crematory ovens, alleged execution gas chambers,
supposed implements of torture, and even shrunken heads and
lampshades, gloves, and handbags purportedly made from skin flayed
from dead inmates.

US government authorities, mindful that many Americans who remembered
the atrocity stories fed them during World War I still doubted the
Allied propaganda directed against the Hitler regime, resolved to
"document" what the GIs had found in the camps. Prominent newsmen
and politicians were flown in to see the harrowing evidence, while
the US Army Signal Corps filmed and photographed the scenes for
posterity. Famous journalist Edward R. Murrow reported, in tones of
horror, but no longer of disbelief, what he had been told and shown,
and Dachau and
Buchenwald were branded on the hearts and minds of the American
populace as names of infamy unmatched in the sad and bloody history
of this planet.

For Americans, what was "discovered" at the camps -- the dead and the
diseased, the terrible stories of the inmates, all the props of
torture and terror -- became the basis not simply of a transitory
propaganda campaign but of the conviction that, yes, it was true: the
Germans did exterminate six million Jews, most of them in lethal gas
chambers.

What the GIs found was used, by way of films that were mandatory
viewing for the vanquished populace of Germany, to "re-educate" the
German people by destroying their national pride and their will to a
united, independent national state, imposing in their place
overwhelming feelings of collective guilt and political impotence.
And when the testimony, and the verdict, of the Nuremberg Tribunal
incorporated most, if not all, of the horror stories Americans were
told about
Dachau, Buchenwald, and other places captured by the US Army, the
Holocaust could pass for one of the most documented, one of the most
authenticated, one of the most proven historical episodes in the
human record.

A Different Reality

But it is known today that, very soon after the liberation of the
camps, American authorities were aware that the real story of the
camps was quite different from the one in which they were coaching
military public information officers, government spokesmen,
politicians, journalists, and other mouthpieces.

When American and British forces overran western and central Germany
in the spring of 1945, they were followed by troops charged with
discovering and securing any evidence of German war crimes.

Among them was Dr. Charles Larson, one of America's leading forensic
pathologists, who was assigned to the US Army's Judge Advocate
General's Department. As part of a US War Crimes Investigation Team,
Dr. Larson performed autopsies at Dachau and some twenty other German
camps, examining on some days more than 100 corpses. After his grim
work at Dachau, he was
questioned for three days by US Army prosecutors.

Dr. Larson's findings? In an 1980 newspaper interview he said: "What
we've heard is that six million Jews were exterminated. Part of that
is a hoax." And what part was the hoax? Dr. Larson, who told his
biographer that to his knowledge he "was the only forensic pathologist
on duty in the entire European Theater" of Allied military operations,
confirmed that "never was a case of poison gas uncovered."

Typhus, Not Poison Gas

If not by gassing, how did the unfortunate victims at Dachau,
Buchenwald and Bergen-Belsen perish? Were they tortured to death or
deliberately starved? The answers to these questions are known as
well.

As Dr. Larson and other Allied medical men discovered, the chief
cause of death at Dachau, Belsen and the other camps was disease,
above all typhus, an old and terrible scourge of mankind that until
recently flourished in places where populations were crowded together
in circumstances where public health measures were unknown or had
broken down. Such was the case in the overcrowded internment camps in
Germany at war's end, where, despite such measures as systematic
delousing, quarantine of the sick and cremation of the dead, the
virtual
collapse of Germany's food, transport, and public health systems led
to catastrophe.

Perhaps the most authoritative statement of the facts as to typhus and
mortality in the camps has been made by Dr. John E. Gordon, M.D.,
Ph.D., a professor of preventive medicine and epidemiology at the
Harvard University School of Public Health, who was with US forces in
Germany in 1945. Dr. Gordon reported in 1948 that "The outbreaks in
concentration camps and prisons made up the great bulk of typhus
infection encountered in Germany." Dr. Gordon summarized the causes
for the outbreaks as follows:

Germany in the spring months of April and May [1945] was an
astounding sight, a mixture of humanity travelling this way and that,
homeless, often hungry and carrying typhus with them ...Germany was in
chaos. The destruction of whole cities and the path left by advancing
armies produced a disruption of living conditions contributing to the
spread of the disease. Sanitation was low grade, public utilities were
seriously disrupted, food supply and food distribution was poor,
housing was inadequate and order and discipline were everywhere
lacking. Still more important, a shifting of populations was occurring
such as few countries and few times have experienced.

Dr. Gordon's findings are corroborated by Dr. Russell Barton, today a
psychiatrist of international repute, who entered Bergen-Belsen with
British forces as a young medical student in 1945. Barton, who
volunteered to care for the diseased survivors, testified under sworn
oath in a Toronto courtroom in 1985 that "Thousands of prisoners who
died at the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp during World War II
weren't deliberately starved to death but died from a rash of
diseases."

Dr. Barton further testified that on entering the camp he had credited
stories of deliberate starvation but decided such stories were untrue
after inspecting the well equipped kitchens and the meticulously
maintained ledgers, dating back to 1942, of food cooked and dispensed
each day.

Despite noisily publicized claims and widespread popular notions to
the contrary, no researcher has been able to document a German policy
of extermination through starvation in the German camps.

No 'Human Skin' Lampshades

What of the ghoulish stories of concentration camp inmates skinned for
their tattoos, flayed to make lampshades and handbags, or other
artifacts? What of the innumerable "torture racks," "meathooks,"
whipping posts, gallows, and other tools of torment and death that are
reported to have abounded at every German camp? These allegations, and
even more grotesque ones proffered by Soviet prosecutors, found their
way into the record at Nuremberg.

The lampshade and tattooed-skin charges were made against Ilse Koch,
dubbed by journalists the "Bitch of Buchenwald," who was reported to
have furnished her house with objects manufactured from the tanned
hides of luckless inmates.

But General Lucius Clay, military governor of the US zone of occupied
Germany, who reviewed her case in 1948, told his superiors in
Washington: "There is no convincing evidence that she [Ilse Koch]
selected inmates for extermination in order to secure tattooed skins
or that she possessed any articles made of human skin." In an
interview General Clay gave years later, he stated about the material
for the infamous lampshades: "Well, it turned out actually that it was
goat flesh. But
at the trial it was still human flesh. It was almost impossible for
her to have gotten a fair trial." Ilse Koch hanged herself in a German
jail in 1967.

It would be tedious to itemize and refute the thousands of bizarre
claims as to Nazi atrocities. That there were instances of German
cruelty, however, is clear from the testimony of Dr. Konrad Morgen, a
legal investigator attached to the Reich Criminal Police, whose
statements on the witness stand at Nuremberg have never been
challenged by proponents of the Jewish Holocaust story. Dr. Morgen
informed the court that he had been given full authority by Heinrich
Himmler,
commander of Hitler's SS and the dread Gestapo, to enter any German
concentration camp and investigate instances of cruelty and corruption
on the part of camp personnel. As he explained in sworn testimony at
Nuremberg, Dr. Morgen investigated 800 such cases, resulting in more
than 200 convictions. Punishments included the death penalty for the
worst offenders, including Hermann Florstedt, commandant of Lublin
(Majdanek), and Karl Koch (Ilse's husband), commandant of Buchenwald.

While German camp commandants in certain cases did inflict physical
punishment, such acts had to be approved by authorities in Berlin, and
it was required that a camp physician first certify the good health of
the prisoner to be disciplined, and then be on hand at the actual
beating. After all, throughout most of the war the camps were
important centers of industrial activity. The good health and morale
of the prisoners was critical to the German war effort, as is
evidenced in a January 1943 order issued by SS General Richard Glücks,
chief of the office that supervised the
concentration camps. It held the camp commanders "personally
responsible for exhausting every possibility to preserve the physical
strength of the detainees." Camp Survivors: Merely Victims?
US Army investigators, working at Buchenwald and other camps, quickly
ascertained what was common knowledge among veteran inmates: that the
worst offenders, the cruelest denizens of the camps, were not the
guards but the prisoners themselves. Common criminals of the same
stripe as those who populate US prisons today committed many
villainies, particularly when they held positions of authority, and
fanatical Communists, highly organized to combat their many
political enemies among the inmates, eliminated their foes with
Stalinist ruthlessness. Two US Army investigators at Buchenwald, Egon
W. Fleck and Edward A. Tenenbaum, carefully investigated circumstances
in the camp before its liberation. In a detailed report submitted to
their superiors, they revealed, in the words of Alfred Toombs, their
commander, who wrote a preface to the report, "how the prisoners
themselves organized a deadly terror within the Nazi terror."

Fleck and Tenenbaum described the power exercised by criminals and
Communists as follows:

The trusties, who in time became almost exclusively Communist
Germans, had the power of life and death over all other inmates. They
could sentence a man or a group to almost certain death ... The
Communist trusties were directly responsible for a large part of the
brutalities at Buchenwald.

Colonel Donald B. Robinson, chief historian of the American military
government in Germany, summarized the Fleck-Tenenbaum report in an
article published in an American magazine shortly after the war.
Colonel Robinson wrote succinctly of the American investigators'
findings: "It appeared that the prisoners who agreed with the
Communists ate; those who didn't starved to death."

Additional corroboration of inmate brutality has been provided by
Ellis E. Spackman, who, as Chief of Counter-Intelligence Arrests and
Detentions for the US Seventh Army, was involved in the liberation of
Dachau. Spackman, later a professor of history at San Bernardino
Valley College in California, wrote in 1966 that at Dachau "the
prisoners were the actual instruments that inflicted the barbarities
on their fellow prisoners."

'Gas Chambers'

In December 1944 US Army officers Colonel Paul Kirk and Lt. Colonel
Edward J. Gully inspected the German concentration camp at
Struthof-Natzweiler in Alsace. They submitted their findings to their
superiors at the headquarters of the US 6th Army Group, which
subsequently forwarded their report to the US War Crimes Division.
While, significantly, the full text of their report has never been
published, it has been revealed, by a historian supportive of
Holocaust claims, that the two investigators were careful to
characterize equipment exhibited to them by French informants as a
"so-called lethal gas chamber," and to claim it was "allegedly used as
a lethal gas chamber." (Emphasis added)

Both the careful phraseology of the Natzweiler report, and its
effective suppression, stand in stark contrast to the credulity, the
confusion, and the blaring publicity that accompanied official reports
of alleged gas chambers at Dachau. At first, a US Army photo depicting
a GI gazing at a steel door marked with a skull and crossbones and the
German words for: "Caution! Gas! Mortal danger! Don't open!," was
identified as showing the murder weapon.

Later, however, it was evidently decided that the apparatus in
question was merely a standard delousing chamber for clothing, and
another alleged gas chamber, this one cunningly disguised as a shower
room, was exhibited to American congressmen and journalists as the
site where thousands breathed their last. While there exist numerous
reports in the press as to the operation of this second "gas chamber,"
no official report by trained Army investigators has yet surfaced to
reconcile such problems as the function of the shower heads: Were they
"dummies," or did lethal cyanide gas stream through them? (Each theory
has appreciable support in journalistic and
historiographical literature.)

As with Dachau, so with Buchenwald, Bergen-Belsen, and the other camps
liberated by the Allies in western Germany. There was no end of
propaganda about "gas chambers," "gas ovens," and the like, but so far
not a single detailed description of the murder weapon and its
function, not a single report of the kind that is mandatory for the
successful prosecution of any assault or murder case in America at
that time and today, has come to light.

Furthermore, a number of Holocaust authorities have now publicly
decreed that there were no gassings, no extermination camps in Germany
after all. (We are now told that "gassing" and "extermination" camps
were located exclusively in what is now Poland, in areas captured by
the Soviet Red Army and made off-limits to western investigators.)

Dr. Martin Broszat of the Munich-based Institute for Contemporary
History, which is funded by the German government, stated
categorically in a 1960 letter to the German weekly Die Zeit: "Neither
in Dachau nor in Bergen-Belsen nor in Buchenwald were Jews or other
prisoners gassed." Professional "Nazi hunter" Simon Wiesenthal stated
in 1975 and again in 1993 that "there were no
extermination camps on German soil."

Dachau "gas chamber" No. 2, which was once presented to a stunned and
grieving world as a weapon that claimed hundreds of thousands of
lives, is now described in the brochure issued to tourists at the
modern Dachau "memorial site" in these words: "This gas chamber,
camouflaged as a shower room, was not used."

The Propaganda Intensifies

More than 50 years after American troops entered Dachau, Buchenwald
and other German camps, and trained American investigators established
the facts as to what had gone on in them, the government in
Washington, the entertainment media in Hollywood, and the print media
in New York continue to churn out millions of words and images
annually on the horrors of the camps and the infamy of the Holocaust.
Despite the fact that, with the exception of the defeated Confederacy,
no enemy of America has ever so suffered so complete and devastating
defeat as did Germany in 1945, the mass media and the politicians and
bureaucrats behave as if Hitler, his troops, and his concentration
camps continue to exist in an eternal present, and our opinion makers
continue to distort, through ignorance or malice, the facts about the
camps.

Time for the Truth

It is time that the government and the professional historians reveal
the facts about Dachau, Buchenwald and the other camps. It is time
they let the American public know how the inmates died, and how they
didn't die. It is time that the claims of mass murder by gassing are
clarified and investigated in the same manner as any other claims of
murder. It is time that the free ride certain groups have enjoyed as
the result of unchallenged Holocaust claims be terminated, just as it
is time to end the scapegoating of other groups, including Germans,
eastern Europeans, the
Roman Catholic hierarchy, and the wartime leadership of America and
Britain, either for their alleged role in the Holocaust or their
supposed failure to stop it.

Above all, it is time that the citizens of this great Republic have
the facts about the camps, facts they have a right to know, a right
that is fundamental to the exercise of their authority and their will
in the governance of their country. As citizens and as taxpayers,
Americans of all ethnic backgrounds, of all faiths, have a basic right
and an overriding interest in determining the facts of incidents that
are deemed by those in positions of power to be significant in
determining America's foreign and educational policy, as well as its
selection of past events to be memorialized in our
civic life.

Today the alleged facts of the Holocaust are at issue all over the
civilized world. The truth will be decided only by recourse to the
facts, in the public forum: not by concealing the facts, denying the
truth, stonewalling reality. The truth will out, and it is time the
government of this country, and governments and international bodies
throughout the world, make public the evidence of what actually
transpired in the German concentration camps in the years 1933-1945,
so that we may put paid to the lies, without fear or favor, and carry
out the work of reconciliation and renewal that is and must be the
granite foundation of mutual tolerance between peoples and of a peace
based on justice.

Summary
The conclusions of the early US Army investigations as to the truth
about the wartime German concentration camps have since been
corroborated by all subsequent investigators and can be summarized:

1.The harrowing scenes of dead and dying inmates were not the result
of a German policy of "extermination," but rather the result of
epidemics of typhus and other disease brought about largely by the
effects of Allied aerial attacks.
2.Stories of Nazi supercriminals and sadists who turned Jews and
others into handbags and lampshades for their private profit or
amusement were sick lies or diseased fantasies; indeed, the German
authorities punished corruption and cruelty on the part of camp
commanders and guards.
3.On the other hand, portrayals of the newly liberated inmates as
saints and martyrs of Hitlerism were quite often very far from the
truth; indeed, most of the brutalities inflicted on camp detainees
were the work of their fellow prisoners, in contravention of German
policy and German orders.
4.The alleged homicidal showers and gas chambers were used either for
bathing camp inmates or delousing their clothes; the claim that they
were used to murder Jews or other human beings is a contemptible
fabrication. Orthodox historians and professional "Nazi-hunters" have
quietly dropped claims that inmates were gassed at Dachau, Buchenwald
and other camps in Germany. They continue, however, to keep silent
regarding the lies about Dachau and Buchenwald, as well as to evade an
open discussion of the evidence for homicidal gassing at Auschwitz and
the
other camps captured by the Soviets.


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There was a book in ordinary bookstores called "An Empire of
Their Own". It was a pro-Jewish book but it showed that the Jews ran
Hollywood.

Here are some quotes from a magazine for Jews called "Moment".
It is subtitled "The Jewish magazine for the 90's" These quotes are
from the Aug 1996 edition after the Headline "Jews Run Hollywood - So
What?":

"It makes no sense at all to try to deny the reality of Jewish
power and prominence in popular culture. Any list of the most
influential production executives at each of the major movie studios
will produce a heavy majority of recognizably Jewish names."

"the famous Disney organization, which was founded by Walt
Disney, a gentile Midwesterner who allegedly harbored anti-Semetic
attitudes, now features Jewish personnel in nearly all its most
powerful positions."

"When Matsushita took over MCA-Universal, they did nothing to
undermine the unquestioned authority of Universal's legendary - and
all Jewish - management triad of Lew Wasserman, Sid Scheinberg, and
Tom Pollack."

Here is a quote from Steven Spielberg, "film is the greatest weapon
in the world".

Jewish control of the media:
MORTIMER ZUCKERMAN, owner of NY Daily News, US News & World Report and
chair of the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish American
Organizations, one of the largest pro-Israel lobbying groups.
LESLIE MOONVES, president of CBS television, great-nephew of David
Ben-Gurion, and co-chair with Norman Ornstein of the Advisory
Committee on Public Interest Obligation of Digital TV Producers,
appointed by Clinton.
JONATHAN MILLER, chair and CEO of AOL division of AOL-Time-Warner
NEIL SHAPIRO, president of NBC News
JEFF GASPIN, Executive Vice-President, Programming, NBC
DAVID WESTIN, president of ABC News
SUMNER REDSTONE, CEO of Viacom, "world's biggest media giant"
(Economist, 11/23/2) owns Viacom cable, CBS and MTVs all over the
world, Blockbuster video rentals and Black Entertainment TV.
MICHAEL EISNER, major owner of Walt Disney, Capitol Cities, ABC.
RUPERT MURDOCH, Owner Fox TV, New York Post, London Times, News of the
World (Jewish mother)
MEL KARMAZIN, president of CBS
DON HEWITT, Exec. Director, 60 Minutes, CBS
JEFF FAGER, Exec. Director, 60 Minutes II. CBS
DAVID POLTRACK, Executive Vice-President, Research and Planning, CBS
SANDY KRUSHOW, Chair, Fox Entertainment
LLOYD BRAUN, Chair, ABC Entertainment
BARRY MEYER, chair, Warner Bros.
SHERRY LANSING. President of Paramount Communications and Chairman of
Paramount Pictures' Motion Picture Group.
HARVEY WEINSTEIN, CEO. Miramax Films.
BRAD SIEGEL., President, Turner Entertainment.
PETER CHERNIN, second in-command at Rupert Murdoch's News. Corp.,
owner of Fox TV
MARTY PERETZ, owner and publisher of the New Republic, which openly
identifies itself as pro-Israel. Al Gore credits Marty with being his
"mentor."
ARTHUR O. SULZBERGER, JR., publisher of the NY Times, the Boston Globe
and other publications.
WILLIAM SAFIRE, syndicated columnist for the NYT.
TOM FRIEDMAN, syndicated columnist for the NYT.
CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, syndicated columnist for the Washington Post.
Honored by Honest Reporting.com, website monitoring "anti-Israel
media."
RICHARD COHEN, syndicated columnist for the Washington Post
JEFF JACOBY, syndicated columnist for the Boston Globe
NORMAN ORNSTEIN, American Enterprise Inst., regular columnist for USA
Today, news analyst for CBS, and co-chair with Leslie Moonves of the
Advisory Committee on Public Interest Obligation of Digital TV
Producers, appointed by Clinton.
ARIE FLEISCHER, Dubya's press secretary.
STEPHEN EMERSON, every media outlet's first choice as an expert on
domestic terrorism.
DAVID SCHNEIDERMAN, owner of the Village Voice and the New Times
network of "alternative weeklies."
DENNIS LEIBOWITZ, head of Act II Partners, a media hedge fund
KENNETH POLLACK, for CIA analysts, director of Saban Center for Middle
East Policy, writes op-eds in NY Times, New Yorker
BARRY DILLER, chair of USA Interactive, former owner of Universal
Entertainment
KENNETH ROTH, Executive Director of Human Rights Watch
RICHARD LEIBNER, runs the N.S. Bienstock talent agency, which
represents 600 news personalities such as Dan Rather, Dianne Sawyer
and Bill O'Reilly.
TERRY SEMEL, CEO, Yahoo, former chair, Warner Bros.
MARK GOLIN, VP and Creative Director, AOL
WARREN LIEBERFORD, Pres., Warner Bros. Home Video Div. of AOL-
TimeWarner
JEFFREY ZUCKER, President of NBC Entertainment
JACK MYERS, NBC, chief.NYT 5.14.2
SANDY GRUSHOW, chair of Fox Entertainment
GAIL BERMAN, president of Fox Entertainment
STEPHEN SPIELBERG, co-owner of Dreamworks
JEFFREY KATZENBERG, co-owner of Dreamworks
DAVID GEFFEN, co-owner of Dreamworks
LLYOD BRAUN, chair of ABC Entertainment
JORDAN LEVIN, president of Warner Bros. Entertainment
MAX MUTCHNICK, co-executive producer of NBC's "Good Morning Miami"
DAVID KOHAN, co-executive producer of NBC's "Good Morning Miami"
HOWARD STRINGER, chief of Sony Corp. of America
AMY PASCAL, chair of Columbia Pictures
JOEL KLEIN, chair and CEO of Bertelsmann's American operations
ROBERT SILLERMAN, founder of Clear Channel Communications
BRIAN GRADEN, president of MTV entertainment
IVAN SEIDENBERG, CEO of Verizon Communications
WOLF BLITZER, host of CNN's Late Edition
LARRY KING, host of Larry King Live
TED KOPPEL, host of ABC's Nightline
ANDREA KOPPEL, CNN Reporter
PAULA ZAHN, CNN Host
MIKE WALLACE, Host of CBS, 60 Minutes
BARBARA WALTERS, Host, ABC's 20-20
MICHAEL LEDEEN, editor of National Review
BRUCE NUSSBAUM, editorial page editor, Business Week
DONALD GRAHAM, Chair and CEO of Newsweek and Washington Post, son of
CATHERINE GRAHAM MEYER, former owner of the Washington Post
HOWARD FINEMAN, Chief Political Columnist, Newsweek
WILLIAM KRISTOL, Editor, Weekly Standard, Exec. Director
Project for a New American Century (PNAC)
RON ROSENTHAL, Managing Editor, San Francisco Chronicle
PHIL BRONSTEIN, Executive Editor, San Francisco Chronicle,
RON OWENS, Talk Show Host, KGO (ABC-Capitol Cities, San Francisco)
JOHN ROTHMAN, Talk Show Host, KGO (ABC-Capitol Cities, San Francisco)
MICHAEL SAVAGE, Talk Show Host, KFSO (ABC-Capitol Cities, San
Francisco) Syndicated in 100 markets
MICHAEL MEDVED, Talk Show Host, on 124 AM stations
DENNIS PRAGER, Talk Show Host, nationally syndicated from LA. Has
Israeli flag on his home page.
BEN WATTENBERG, Moderator, PBS Think Tank.
ANDREW LACK, president of NBC
DANIEL MENAKER, Executive Director, Harper Collins
DAVID REMNICK, Editor, The New Yorker
NICHOLAS LEHMANN, writer, the New York
HENRICK HERTZBERG, Talk of the Town editor, The New Yorker
SAMUEL NEWHOUSE JR, and DONALD NEWHOUSE own Newhouse Publications,
includes 26 newspapers in 22 cities; the Conde Nast magazine group,
includes The New Yorker; Parade, the Sunday newspaper supplement;
American City Business Journals, business newspapers published in more
than 30 major cities in America; and interests in cable television
programming and cable systems serving 1 million homes.
DONALD NEWHOUSE, chairman of the board of directors, Associated Press.
PETER R KANN, CEO, Wall Street Journal, Barron's
RALPH J. & BRIAN ROBERTS, Owners, Comcast-ATT Cable TV.
LAWRENCE KIRSHBAUM, CEO, AOL-Time Warner Book Group

[Topaz]

"President Bush's Statements On Iraq's Weapons Of Mass Destruction

Bush's statements, in chronological order, were:

"Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were
used for the production of biological weapons."

-United Nations Address, Sept. 12, 2002

"Iraq has stockpiled biological and chemical weapons, and is
rebuilding the facilities used to make more of those weapons."

"We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently
authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very
weapons the dictator tells us he does not have."

-Radio Address, Oct. 5, 2002

"The Iraqi regime... possesses and produces chemical and
biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons."

"We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of
chemical agents, including mustard gas, sarin nerve gas, VX nerve
gas."

"We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a
growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be
used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas.
We're concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVS for
missions targeting the United States."

"The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear
weapons program. Saddam Hussein has held numerous meetings with Iraqi
nuclear scientists, a group he calls his "nuclear mujahideen" - his
nuclear holy warriors. Satellite photographs reveal that Iraq is
rebuilding facilities at sites that have been part of its nuclear
program in the past. Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength
aluminum tubes and other equipment
needed for gas centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for
nuclear weapons."

-Cincinnati, Ohio Speech, Oct. 7, 2002

"Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the
materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX
nerve agent."

-State of the Union Address, Jan. 28, 2003

"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no
doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of
the most lethal weapons ever devised."

-Address to the Nation, March 17, 2003"

Steve

[Topaz]

By Robert Faurisson

In what respect is Elie Wiesel a witness to the alleged gas chambers?
By what right does he ask us to believe in that means of
extermination? In an autobiographical book that supposedly describes
his experiences at Auschwitz and Buchenwald, he nowhere mentions the
gas chambers. [2] He does indeed say that the Germans executed Jews,
but ... by fire; by throwing them alive into flaming ditches, before
the very eyes of the deportees! No less than that!
Here Wiesel the false witness had some bad luck. Forced to choose from
among several Allied war propaganda lies, he chose to defend the fire
lie instead of the boiling water, gassing, or electrocution lies. In
1956, when he published his testimony in Yiddish, the fire lie was
still alive in certain circles. This lie is the origin of the term
Holocaust. Today there is no longer a single historian who believes
that Jews were burned alive. The myths of the boiling water and of
electrocution have also disappeared. Only the gas remains.
The gassing lie was spread by the Americans. [3] The lie that Jews
were killed by boiling water or steam (specifically at Treblinka) was
spread by the Poles. [4] The electrocution lie was spread by the
Soviets. [5]

The fire lie is of undetermined origin. It is in a sense as old as war
propaganda or hate propaganda. In his memoir, Night, which is a
version of his earlier Yiddish testimony, Wiesel reports that at
Auschwitz there was one flaming ditch for the adults and another one
for babies. He writes: [6]

Not far from us, flames were leaping from a ditch, gigantic flames.
They were burning something. A lorry drew up at the pit and delivered
its load-little children. Babies! Yes, I saw it-saw it with my own
eyes ... Those children in the flames. (Is it surprising that I could
not sleep after that? Sleep has fled from my eyes.)
A little farther on there was another ditch with gigantic flames where
the victims suffered "slow agony in the flames." Wiesel's column was
led by the Germans to within "three steps" of the ditch, then to "two
steps." "Two steps from the pit we were ordered to turn to the left
and made to go into a barracks."

An exceptional witness himself, Wiesel assures us of his having met
other exceptional witnesses. Regarding Babi Yar, a place in Ukraine
where the Germans executed Soviet citizens, among them Jews, Wiesel
wrote: [7]

Later, I learn from a witness that, for month after month, the ground
never stopped trembling; and that, from time to time, geysers of blood
spurted from it.

These words did not slip from their author in a moment of frenzy:
first, he wrote them, then some unspecified number of times (but at
least once) he had to reread them in the proofs; finally, his words
were translated into various languages, as is everything this author
writes.

That Wiesel personally survived, was, of course, the result of a
miracle. He says that: [8]

In Buchenwald they sent 10,000 persons to their deaths each day. I was
always in the last hundred near the gate. They stopped. Why?
In 1954 French scholar Germaine Tillion analyzed the "gratuitous lie"
with regard to the German concentration camps. She wrote: [9]
Those persons [who gratuitously lie] are, to tell the truth, much more
numerous than people generally suppose, and a subject like that of the
concentration camp world-well designed, alas, to stimulate
sado-masochistic imaginings-offered them an exceptional field of
action. We have known numerous mentally damaged persons, half
swindlers and half fools, who exploited an imaginary deportation; we
have known others of them-authentic deportees-whose sick minds strove
to go even beyond the monstrosities that they had seen or that people
said had happened to them. There have been publishers to print some of
their imaginings, and more or less official compilations to use them,
but publishers and compilers are absolutely inexcusable, since the
most elementary inquiry would have been enough to reveal the
imposture.

Tillion lacked the courage to give examples and names. But that is
usually the case. People agree that there are false gas chambers that
tourists and pilgrims are encouraged to visit, but they do not tell us
where. They agree that there are false "eyewitnesses," but in general
they name only Martin Gray, the well-known swindler, at whose request
Max Gallo, with full knowledge of what he was doing, fabricated the
bestseller For Those I Loved.

Jean-François Steiner is sometimes named as well. His bestselling
novel Treblinka (1966) was presented as a work of which the accuracy
of every detail was guaranteed by oral or written testimony. In
reality it was a fabrication attributable, at least in part, to the
novelist Gilles Perrault. [10] Marek Halter, for his part, published
his La Mémoire d'Abraham in 1983; as he often does on radio, he talked
there about his experiences in the Warsaw ghetto. However, if we are
to believe an article by Nicolas Beau that is quite favorable to
Halter, [11] little Marek, about three years old, and his mother left
Warsaw not in 1941 but in October of 1939, before the establishment of
the ghetto there by the Germans. Halter's book is supposed to have
been actually written by a ghost writer, Jean-Noël Gurgan.
Filip Müller is the author of Eyewitness Auschwitz: Three Years in the
Gas Chambers, [12] which won the 1980 prize of the International
League against Racism and Anti-Semitism (LICRA). This nauseous
best-seller is actually the work of a German ghost writer, Helmut
Freitag, who did not hesitate to engage in plagiarism. [13] The source
of the plagiarism is Auschwitz: A Doctor's Eyewitness Account, another
best-seller made up out of whole cloth and attributed to Miklos
Nyiszli. [14]

Thus a whole series of works presented as authentic documents turns
out to be merely compilations attributable to various ghost writers:
Max Gallo, Gilles Perrault, Jean-Noël Gurgan (?), and Helmut Freitag,
among others.

We would like to know what Germaine Tillion thinks about Elie Wiesel
today. With him the lie is certainly not gratuitous. Wiesel claims to
be full of love for humanity. However, he does not refrain from an
appeal to hatred. In his opinion: [15]

Every Jew, somewhere in his being, should set apart a zone of
hate-healthy, virile hate-for what the German personifies and for what
persists in the German. To do otherwise would be a betrayal of the
dead.

At the beginning of 1986, 83 deputies of the German Bundestag took the
initiative of proposing Wiesel for the Nobel Peace Prize. This would
be, they said, "a great encouragement to all who are active in the
process of reconciliation." [16] That is what might be called "going
from National Socialism to national masochism."

Jimmy Carter needed a historian to preside over the President's
Commission on the Holocaust. As Dr. Arthur Butz said so well, he chose
not a historian but a "histrion": Elie Wiesel. Even the newspaper Le
Monde, in the article mentioned above, was obliged to refer to the
histrionic trait that certain persons deplore in Wiesel:
Naturally, even among those who approve of the struggle of this
American Jewish writer, who was discovered by the Catholic François
Mauriac, some reproach him for having too much of a tendency to change
the Jewish sadness into "morbidity" or to become the high priest of a
"planned management of the Holocaust."

As Jewish writer Leon A. Jick has written: "The devastating barb,
'There is no business like SHOAH-business' is, sad to say, a
recognizable truth." [17]

Elie Wiesel issues alarmed and inflammatory appeals against
Revisionist authors. He senses that things are getting out of hand. It
is going to become more and more difficult for him to maintain the mad
belief that the Jews were exterminated or were subjected to a policy
of extermination, especially in so-called gas chambers. Serge
Klarsfeld has admitted that real proofs of the existence of the gas
chambers have still not yet been published. He promises proofs. [18]
On the scholarly plane, the gas chamber myth is finished. To tell the
truth, that myth breathed its last breath several years ago at the
Sorbonne colloquium in Paris (June 29-July 2, 1982), at which Raymond
Aron and François Furet presided. What remains is to make this news
known to the general public. However, for Elie Wiesel it is of the
highest importance to conceal that news. Thus all the fuss in the
media, which is going to increase: the more the journalists talk, the
more the historians keep quiet.

But there are historians who dare to raise their voices against the
lies and the hatred. That is the case with Michel de Boüard, wartime
member of the Resistance, deportee to Mauthausen, member of the
Committee for the History of the Second World War from 1945 to 1981,
and a member of the Institut de France. In a poignant interview in
1986, he courageously acknowledged that in 1954 he had vouched for the
existence of a gas chamber at Mauthausen where, it finally turns out,
there never was one. [19]

The respect owed to the sufferings of all the victims of the Second
World War, and, in particular, to the sufferings of the deportees,
demands on the part of historians a return to the proven and
time-honored methods of historical criticism.

Summary

Elie Wiesel passes for one of the most celebrated eyewitnesses to the
alleged Holocaust. Yet in his supposedly autobiographical book Night,
he makes no mention of gas chambers. He claims instead to have
witnessed Jews being burned alive, a story now dismissed by all
historians. Wiesel gives credence to the most absurd stories of other
"eyewitnesses." He spreads fantastic tales of 10,000 persons sent to
their deaths each day in Buchenwald.

When Elie Wiesel and his father, as Auschwitz prisoners, had the
choice of either leaving with their retreating German "executioners,"
or remaining behind in the camp to await the Soviet "liberators," the
two decided to leave with their German captors.

It is time, in the name of truth and out of respect for the genuine
sufferings of the victims of the Second World War, that historians
return to the proven methods of historical criticism, and that the
testimony of the Holocaust "eyewitnesses" be subjected to rigorous
scrutiny rather than unquestioning acceptance.

[Topaz]

David Lloyd George, former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, wrote
this:

"I have seen the famous German leader and also something of the
great change he has effected...

There can be no doubt that he has achieved a marvelous transformation
in the spirit of the people, in their attitude towards each other, and
in their social and economic outlook.

It is not the Germany of the first decade that followed the war -
broken, dejected and bowed down with a sense of apprehension and
impotence. It is now full of hope and confidence. The people are more
cheerful. There is a greater sense of general gaiety of spirit
throughout the land. It is a happier Germany. I saw it everywhere, and
Englishmen I met during my trip and who knew Germany well
were very impressed with the change. One man has accomplished this
miracle. He is a born leader of men. A magnetic and dynamic
personality with a single-minded purpose, a resolute will and a
dauntless heart.

He is not merely in name the national leader. He has made them safe
against potential enemies by whom they are surrounded. He is also
securing against the constant dread of starvation. which is one of the
most poignant memories of the last years of the War and the first
years of the Peace. Over 700,000 died of sheer hunger in those dark
years. The fact that Hitler has rescued his country from the fear of
repetition of that period of despair, penury and humiliation has given
him an unchallenged authority in modern Germany.

As to his popularity, especially among the youth of Germany, there
can be no manner of doubt. The old trust him; the young idolize him.
It is not the admiration accorded to a popular leader. It is the
worship of a national hero who saved his country from utter
despondence and degradation.

To those who have actually seen and sensed the way Hitler reigns
over the heart and mind of Germany, this description may appear to be
extravagant. All the same it is the bare truth. This people will work
better, sacrifice more, and, if necessary fight with greater
resolution because Hitler asks them to do so. Those who do not
comprehend this central fact cannot judge the present possibilities of
modern Germany.

That impression more than anything I witnessed during my short visit
to the new Germany. There was a revivalist atmosphere. It had an
extraordinary effect in the unifying of the nation. Catholic and
Protestant, Prussian and Bavarian, employer and workman, rich and
poor, have consolidated into one people. Religious, provincial and
class origins no longer divide the nation. There is a passion of unity
born of dire necessity."

[Topaz]

Jewish Domination of Weimar Germany
By Eckart Verlag

The Government of the new Germany have found themselves compelled
to adopt certain legal measures , with the help of which a certain
limitation is to be imposed upon the position of authority exercised
by Jews in all spheres of public life.

The steady and constantly increasing excessive introduction of
foreigners , into the life of the German people in politics, science
and culture by a racially foreign minority who push aside the original
inhabitants of the country; a process which assumed particularly
menacing forms because this constantly spreading minority infected the
healthy and untainted mass of the people with the spirit of
disintegration and bolshevism.

And thus the legislative policy of the new government which arises
from the profound indignation and resentment of the German people
against a presumptuous foreign rule is also the product of facts that
lie in the nature of Jewry itself.

The Stock Exchanges have got completely into the hands of the
Jews. For example, the Board of Directors of the Berlin Stock
Exchange consisted exclusively of Jews.

Conditions are exactly the same in the economic branches known as
the "cultural complex" by which is meant the theatre, cinema, radio,
education, training and instruction, etc.
In this case also there are six times as many Jews as others.

In this way we arrive at the result that there has been a really
alarming introduction of foreigners into leading positions in German
economic life by Jewry.

It must be noted in this condition that this only refers to
professing Jews, while the hundreds of thousands of baptized Jews and
dissenters of Jewish race escape inclusion in these statistics.

The ideal of "rootlessness" is proclaimed without any ballast of
tradition or piety, while the ideals of other peoples are
lightheartedly ridiculed.

German Jewry had established its main headquarters in the press.
This instrument for the domination of public opinion had passed almost
entirely in their hands, and they utilized it to the full.
A publisher would have to had to have a fair amount of intrepidity
if he published anything that might have caused a Jew to frown. In
addition to this, there was the enormous economic pressure that the
Jews has at their disposal for dealing with such opponents, and this
too was applied ruthlessly until their opponents were annihilated.
Even newspapers that were independent of Jewry were exposed to
this pressure which was applied through the advertisements pages. The
local Jewish organizations were only too ready to start and
advertising boycott, whenever anything in the text of the paper
displeased them.

Of all the newspapers published in German, those belonging to the
Ullstein press stood at the head of the list, as regards numbers and
size. In 1932 the "Berliner Morgenpost" had a circulation of over
1,000,000. Among the Jews on the editorial staff were Robolsky (chief
editor), Mendel, Bernstein, Breisacher, Deutsch, Falk, Glflck, Loeb,
and Mandel.

The "Vossische Zeitung" (circulation 75,000 - 90,000) was run by
Jews whose numbers included Georg Bernhard (chief editor), Elbau
(alias Mandelbaum), Misch, Guttman, Bernauer, Caspary, Goldstein,
Salomon, Osborn, Schulvater, Wiesenthal, and Eloesser.

The staff of the "B. Z. am Mittag" (circulation ca. 160,000)
included such Jews as Hollering, Falk, Jakobsohn, Kiaulehn, Muhsam,
Hackenberger, and others.

For the "Tempo" (circulation 125,000) mention may be made of
Gutmann, Jacobi, Lackmann, Lustig, and Zuckerkandl.

The country population was worked upon through the "Gruene Post"
(circulation 920,000), founded by the Jew Richard Katz.

The "Berliner Illustrirte Zeitung" had a circulation of
1,750,000, while it's effect was mainly based upon the attraction of
sensational novels. The chief editor was a Jew named Korff.

The firm of Ullstein have their own news-service in the most
important towns in all parts of the world. They were represented by
the following Jews; L. Stahl in Paris, R. Lewisohn in London, E.
Wallenberg in New York, J. Birnbaum in Warsaw, W. Stein in Moscow, K.
Lahm in Vienna, and W. Neumann in Prague.

During the last decades of the past century the Ullstein press
fought hard on behalf of Marxist social democracy.

When the Bolshevist Soviet film "Cruiser Potemkin" came to Berlin,
Alfred Kerr hailed it as "a marvel, a marvel!" as if it were one of
the eternal creations of art of all nations and times.

The Jews span their web round the "Vorwarts", the principle organ
of the Social Democratic party, whose staff included the following
Jews: Stampfer (chief editor), Lepere, Geyer, Schiff, Bernstein,
Schikowski, and Karstadt; while Friedlander, Rabold, Kersten, and
Hurtig were on the staff of the "Welt am Abend", the Communist evening
paper.

But the true German nation was condemned to immobility and silence,
and a Swedish rightly described them as a "people with severed vocal
chords".

What Germany has witnessed since the so-called revolution of 1918,
in the way of corruption scandals, whose prime authors were all Jews
without exception, probably exceeds in extent and number anything that
has so far occurred in the economic history of all nations.

The labor movement when it came into being about the middle of the
nineteenth century was at first non-political in character, and aimed
at improving the living conditions of the new class of industrial
workmen. There was an entire absence of any definite political dogma.
There was, therefore, for a long time a possibility of the labor
movement in Germany associating itself with the government.

A form of government would then have arisen which might perhaps
have been comparable to the present National Socialist system, and no
period of Marxism and class struggle would have intervened.

A Jew is therefore to blame for the fact that out of the labor
movement in the whole world an endeavor arose aimed at overturning the
existing order in all countries, and thus became the greatest danger
that has so far threatened world culture.

The further history of Marxism was also characterized by the
intellectual leadership of Jews.

The October revolution in Russia did not only place Jews like
Trotsky (Bronstein), Sinovieff (Apfelbaum), and Radek (Sobelsohn) in
the leading positions in the new Communist state, but even the
intermediate and subordinate positions of authority, down to that of
the humblest police official, were very frequently occupied by Jews.

Nothing is more characteristic than the fact that, after the
revolution of 1918, nearly all the leaders of radical, semi-Bolshevist
and wholly Bolshevist Socialism were Jews. First of all there were the
people's representative Hugo Haase, the leader of the "independent"
Socialists, and, alongside him, the lawyer Karl Liebknecht and the
authoress Rosa Luxemburg, the two leader of the "Spartakus League".

The Social Democratic Jewish member of the Reichstag Dr. Oskar
Cohn, who was appointed Under Secretary of the State in the German
ministry of justice in November 1918, was in the pay of the Moscow
Soviet Propaganda Department.

If these Jewish elements had had their way, Germany would have
followed the example of Russia at that time, and Europe would have
been into the hands of Bolshevism.

What other people in the world would have put up with these
instances of treacherous interference by racially foreign elements or
even regarded them for so long with patience?

The most dangerous of the German Communists was also a Jew, a man
named Hans Kippenberger. He was the founder and cold-blooded organizer
of the cunningly developed murder organization of the Communist Party.

Whenever such Communist assassins were sent for trial, the defense
was undertaken by Jewish lawyers.

[Topaz]

George Bernard Shaw:

When I said that Herr Hitler's action was right and inevitable, the
storm of abuse that was about to bust on me was suddenly checked by
Mr. Lloyd George saying exactly the same thing. It is inconceivable
that a single vote should be cast against him."

David Lloyd George, Daily Express 17.9.1936:

I have never met a happier people than the Germans and Hitler is one
of the greatest men. The old trust him; the young idolize him. It is
the worship of a national hero who has saved his country.

Hans Grimm:

I witness with awe and admiration, that he, as nearly the first in
the world, caused multitudes without force or any personal benefits to
follow him of their own free will and volition.

The Observer, John L. Garvin:

I have talked to the humblest type of laborers, with merchants,
professional men. I have yet to discover a single dissenting voice to
the question of loyalty to the Fuehrer.

John F Kennedy, U.S President, Prelude to Leadership, The European
Diary of JF Kennedy, Summer, 1945:

After visiting these two places (the town of Berchtesgaden and
Odersalzberg) you can easily understand how that within a few years
Hitler will emerge from the hatred that surrounds him now as one of
the most significant figures who ever lived. He had in him the stuff
of which legends are made.

[Topaz]

After the death of Hindenburg on 2 August 1934, Hitler called a
referendum to approve his assumption of full power as Fuehrer and
Chancellor of Germany. 90% of the voters approved Hitler's increased
powers.

Rudolf Hess gave this speech on 14 August 1934, shortly before the 19
August referendum:

"National Socialists! Fellow German citizens!

I have rarely given a speech as difficult as this one. It is a
challenge to attempt to prove the good of something as obvious as
Hitler's assumption of Hindenburg's position. For fourteen years I
have been convinced that he is the only man able to master Germany's
fate. This conviction has grown over the years, as the original
emotional feeling found new support in endless ways that have
demonstrated Adolf Hitler's remarkable leadership abilities. It is
hard for me, now that I see the realization of fourteen years of
hopes, to gather the various reasons that explain how Adolf Hitler has
become the highest and only Fuehrer of the German people.

Whether through good luck or providence, I found in the summer of 1920
a small room in the Sterneckerbräu in which one Adolf Hitler, whom I
had never heard of, gave a speech to a few dozen people. His clear,
logical and persuasive speech laid out a new political program. This
man expressed my own vague feelings as a veteran of the war, making
clear what was necessary for the nation's salvation. He outlined a new
Germany from the heart of a front soldier, a Germany that I suddenly
realized was the one that had to become reality!

This man had driving passion, persuasive logic, and astonishing
knowledge. A powerful faith streamed from him - I had never
experienced its like. What was most remarkable was that I and the
other entirely rational members of the audience did not laugh as he in
all seriousness explained that the flag of the new movement for which
he and his movement fought would one day fly over the Reichstag, over
the Palace of Berlin, indeed over every German building. It would be
the victorious symbol of a new, honorable, nationalist and socialist
Germany.

At that moment in the Sterneckbräu there were really only two
possibilities. Either I would leave this fool immediately, or - as I
did - accept the conviction: This man will save Germany, if anyone
can!

I pledged my conviction to a friend, and on that very evening become
the most passionate admirer and loyal follower of this Fuehrer.

In the long years that followed, the rest of the world laughed and
mocked us, and the newspapers spread their poison and scorn about this
"madman," but nothing could shake my faith and readiness to give my
all for this man, so long as he did not lose faith in himself or his
mission.

I remember well even today a visit I made to Hitler in the small room
he sublet in Munich. He raged against a Munich newspaper that mocked
him and his idea. "I will show them whether I am to be taken seriously
or not," he exclaimed.

Still, his opponents did not take him seriously then, or for many
years after. Luckily so! For the most serious error his enemies made
was that they did not recognize early enough what a danger he was to
them. They missed the opportunity to destroy him and his small
following when it was still possible. The mighty tree of today, able
to withstand any storm, was then only a tender plant.

But like so many other things in the Führer's life, fate probably
determined that those around him were blind enough to lose valuable
time by fighting him only with ridicule. Providence, of which the
Fuehrer often speaks with such faith, preserved him and his movement
from destruction, preserving both for its purposes.

I knew Adolf Hitler as he walked through the streets of Munich in a
shabby gray coat, often hungry, accompanied only by a few friends,
posting flyers. He was armed only with a thick oak walking stick,
which he only too often had to use when his opponents from the then
USPD, or the Spartakus Bund, or some middle class party found the
primitive truths on these flyers unpleasant.

I can still remember how he, at the head of his "whole party" broke up
a meeting of Bavarian separatists, always putting himself in the way
of the greatest danger. Astonishingly, amidst all the daily tasks and
annoyances, he never lost sight of the larger goal. He always
presented his vision vividly to his followers.

In later years I saw this man during the triumphs and defeats of his
movement. At the moments of the worst defeats when his followers often
were near desperation, it was always he who restored the faith of the
doubters, gave them new enthusiasm, new faith. I was with him in the
Landsberg prison, when all seemed lost and his movement disintegrated
as his subordinates fought. I remember when there was the danger that
his parole would be canceled and he would have to stay behind bars for
another four or five years! The chances of realizing his ideas seemed
absolutely nonexistent then, but at that very moment he laid out the
methods he would use to rebuild the movement under the new
circumstances and by rejecting illegal methods. Then as always he
proved himself a master at adapting to new situations, in breaking
radically with methods he saw as outdated or ineffective.

With the certainty of a great leader, in the middle of what seemed to
be the total collapse of all his efforts, he explained to me that he
would need several years to rebuild the movement, and that it would be
seven years before he had the power to force his enemies to bend to
his will. That was in the winter of 1924/25. Seven years later it was
1932!

That was the year in which the forces of the past attempted in vain to
stop the final victory of National Socialism, the year in which every
attempt to stop Adolf Hitler and his movement failed, in which in fact
every shameless lying attack worked in the end to his advantage.

The Fuehrer said more often than in the past: "The others can do what
they want. When an idea is right, when it is fought for consistently,
when the movement that fights for it is well organized, and when the
leadership is determined to go its way regardless of the difficulties,
one day with mathematical certainty it will be victorious! The longer
they succeed in holding back our victory, the more powerful it will
be! It will fall into our laps like overripe fruit!"

These words from the decisive year 1932 explain the sudden and total
National Socialist seizure of power in 1933, which so surprised the
rest of the world.

Looking back I am convinced that our delayed victory, the fourteen
years that sometimes seemed to us as if they would never end, was
fate's way of preparing our people for the seizure of power. It was a
necessity of fate, just as the early death of the Fuehrer's parents
acquainted him with bitter poverty. That poverty forced him to become
a construction worker. He came to understand the poverty of his fellow
human beings and the lot of the "proletariat." The daily struggle for
survival in the primitive cultural conditions of the era gave the
Führer a deep understanding of his fellow working class citizens.

It was also a necessity of fate that he served at the Front during the
World War, for he learned a contempt of danger. He became hard. The
war brought him together with all levels of the German people and
showed him the destructiveness of class and rank. Most importantly, it
taught him to understand the people and to speak their language.

The revolutionary year 1918 was a necessity of fate for Adolf Hitler,
for despite its criminal leadership it cleared away relics of the past
that later would have created difficulties for the National Socialist
Revolution. And the revolt of 1918 brought signs of collapse and
revealed with naked clarity the international forces and their
destructive effects on Germany in a way that created the psychological
prerequisites that enabled the hard measures of the later National
Socialist government to succeed.

The attempt to seize power in November 1923 was ordained by fate, just
as was its bloody collapse. If the Fuehrer had not acted then, the
masses would later have lost faith in him as a Fuehrer when he
constantly called for patience and postponed the seizure of power.
Only his willingness to act resolutely when necessary, as demonstrated
in November 1923, provided the proof that he would when necessary take
the most forceful course. It proved that he chose to renounce force in
the years before 1933 not because he was a coward. And National
Socialism could not have taken power in 1923, since the people were
not yet ready for National Socialism, nor was National Socialism ready
to lead the people. What was obvious to everyone in Germany in 1933
would have seemed arrogance in 1923. The supporters of the parties of
that day had not yet had sufficient time to recognize the weaknesses
of their leaders.

The narrowest chance of fate prevented the Führer from entering the
government in 1932. He would have been joined with men who inwardly
were still his enemies and would have caused great damage as members
of the government.

And surely it was providence that preserved the life of the old Field
Marshall and Reich President to enable his good name and protecting
hand to guard the young National Socialist government until Adolf
Hitler's abilities as a leader had been proven to everyone at home and
abroad, until his reputation was sufficient to assume the full
leadership of the Reich.

Providence has clearly been at work in Adolf Hitler's life. Only so
can we understand how this man, the son of a minor official, withstood
hunger and privation and fought unaided powerful enemies in the press
and business, powerful parties at home and abroad, to become the
Führer of one of the great nations of the world, chancellor of the
German Reich, holder of the office of Reich President. This is a
miracle without precedent in the history of the world. In the midst of
bitter need, a people finds the man to rescue it. There is a force of
history at work here which we still do not understand.

The need of our people was great. A great man was required to meet it.

Providence gave him the gifts and the strength to move on both in good
times and bad, enabling him over the course of time to reach his goal:
the salvation of Germany!

Providence works through in a way both inexplicable yet clear to all
who have the good fortune to be near to him. How often has he said to
me: "I know that my decision or action is correct. I cannot explain at
the moment why, but I feel that it is right and the future will prove
it so." Invariably the course of events proved that the inexplicable
feelings of the Führer led him down a sure path.

The great historian Treitschke held the ability to see things
correctly as the decisive ability of a statesman, more important even
than talent. What leader has ever had this ability more than Adolf
Hitler? The proof is in his speeches, even those from 1920. Rarely
have political conditions and developments been predicted more
accurately, seldom have conclusions been drawn more clearly, thanks to
his ability to see the fundamental nature of the most difficult and
complicated things.

The "simple understanding" of the genius is able to see the essential
and the obvious.

The Fuehrer adds to the ability to see correctly, which the historian
sees as more critical than talent, not only talent, but also genius.
The ability to see correctly, along with genius, to which must be
added the workings of providence, gives us an explanation for the
miracle that has happened before our eyes in the past few years,
particularly since Hitler's assumption of power.

Is not the transformation of our people a miracle! It shows itself in
its return to its essence, to the sources of its strength, in its
reawakening pride and honor, in its will to self assertion in the
world, in its ability to free itself from international poisons and
from signs of corruption in all areas of life! Is it a miracle that
Adolf Hitler won the battle against unemployment in so short a time?
That he put people to work to meet daily needs as well as to advance
culture? The great highways, canals and buildings will proclaim to
coming generations the Hitler Era of the German people. Is it not a
miracle that a nation once divided by class and rank, divided by petty
state pride in Prussia, Bavaria, Saxony and elsewhere-now works
together with mutual understanding for the great common tasks and for
the preservation of the nation and its people?

As I said when I began, I cannot explain why Hitler, and only he, can
be the Fuehrer. Who could suggest someone worthier and more able to
fill the office of Reich President, the highest leader of the Reich?

Someone might say that it is not good to put all power in one hand.
Let me reply that in a difficult time the Romans gave full power to a
young and capable leader - and the Romans knew something about
governing! They knew that "men make history." They knew that in times
of crisis, strong personalities must guide the state, personalities
bound to the living essence of their people.

Someone may say that it is not good to put all power in one hand,
since Adolf Hitler might use his authority arbitrarily and
thoughtlessly!

To that I can only say: The conscience of a moral personality is a far
greater protection against the misuse of an office than is the
supervision of parliament or the separation of powers. I know no one
who has a stronger conscience, or is more true to his people, than
Adolf Hitler.

Over the years I have seem him struggle to make difficult decisions,
always checking again and again with the experts in the field until he
was certain that his decision was absolutely correct. I know how many
sleepless nights his decision to take Germany out of the League of
Nations cost him, how he listened to all who had objections. I know
that he was unable to rest until he had refuted them by clear logic.
Only then did he decide, and accepted the full responsibility.

The Fuehrer's highest court is his conscience and his responsibility
to his people and to history.

He will also from time to time allow the people itself to pass
judgment on his general policy. This will regularly reaffirm his
leadership.

He knows that both his honor and his work are at risk. He cannot pass
the responsibility for his decisions to irresponsible parliamentary
majorities, as do the statesmen of all other nations. That also means
that his freedom of action is not restricted or watered down by
parliamentary bodies or other forces. This above all is why in
desperate times people and nations need an absolute leader - assuming
he possesses the necessary abilities - and why such a leader can be
necessary to the continued existence of the government and people.

Treitschke said that absolute leadership is either the best or the
worst form of government, depending on the personality of the leader.
We know that Adolf Hitler is both born and called to be a leader, and
that he has shown himself through all his actions to be a morally
upright person. As sole ruler he is the best possible form of
government for Germany - and Heaven knows that in its current crisis
Germany needs the best possible form of government!

A Fuehrer whose goal is to serve his people is in times of crisis a
better guarantee of peace to other nations than is a parliamentary
majority, which may lack the will at the critical moment to keep its
people from stumbling into misfortune, as Lloyd George suggested the
nations stumbled into the World War. In recent weeks, Adolf Hitler has
made rapid and firm decisions advancing the cause of peace in Europe
that demonstrate his statesmanship. Those states who today oppose us
may not be willing to admit it, but history will.

German citizens! Consider with all seriousness the international
significance of the referendum on 19 August. Talk with everyone in
your circle of acquaintances-family members, workmates, relatives,
with everyone you come in contact with. Remember that the world is
watching to see if a united German people will be loyal to its
Fuehrer.

Hundreds of thousands of journalists are waiting to announce the
expected collapse of National Socialism to their readers. They will do
this if even a few less Germans go to the polls than did on 12
November of last year. They hope for a collapse of National Socialism,
for they know this would mean the collapse of Germany.

By voting yes on 19 August, the German people will demonstrate to the
world that we see in Adolf Hitler the Fuehrer given to us by
providence. We Germans approve of what he has done at home and abroad
for Germany and trust his decisions for the future. Germany sees Adolf
Hitler as Hindenburg's proper successor. The entire German people now
gives Hitler the name of honor that the National Socialist movement
has long given him: the Fuehrer!

This word is more that a title, it is a confession and a certainty: My
Fuehrer!

Furthermore, the entire German people says to the world: Adolf Hitler
is and will remain our Fuehrer, because his policies are the policies
of the entire German nation. His rule guarantees Germany's stability.
Through him and his movement, Germany has become a unified Reich.
Since we want to remain a united German Reich, we want Adolf Hitler at
our head. Since we know that power struggles between individuals or
interest groups are unthinkable and impossible under his leadership,
we want him as Germany's leader.

Through him, Fate realizes its purpose: Saving Germany from the hunger
of misery of Bolshevism. We firmly believe that saving Germany from
Bolshevism also rescued Europe from the danger of red annihilation. We
Germans see it as our duty to thank Fate by affirming this man as the
Fuehrer of Germany.

One more thing the German people want to say to the world on 19
August: We want the work begun in Hitler's name to continue: the
battle against unemployment, the freeing of our conscience, the moral
renewal of Germany's youth, the strengthening of our sense of honor.
We Germans know that Hitler wants what we all want: economic equality
with the other nations of the world, the political and military peace
with the other peoples of the world, a return to prosperity and
culture after decades of decline and decay.

This we say to our Fuehrer on 19 August: We are bound to you in an
indissoluble unity in the fight for Germany's future. With you, we
long for the preservation of peace and are prepared to follow your
command to defend our people's peace.

We are proud and happy to have one of history's greats, a son of our
people, among us during our life times. The yes that we give affirms
his leadership to the world, and thanks him at the same time.

German workers! I speak particularly to you. Be proud that you may on
19 August affirm as leader of Germany a man of the German working
class. Be proud that you may symbolically say to one of your own on 19
August: We want you, Adolf Hitler, as German Chancellor and German
Reich President, you, a German worker! Where once kings, Kaisers and
presidents ruled Germany, now by our will and the will of the German
people stands for the first time a German worker. He is a worker who
knows how hard the life of his former comrades still is, those who
must struggle daily for their basic needs, and whose goal is above all
to improve their lot as quickly as possible.

My fellow German citizens! You will vote yes for Adolf Hitler! And if
you are asked why you voted for him, you will be able to answer:

We voted for Adolf Hitler:

Because he is the man who from his experiences as a Front soldier
developed a world view that is the foundation for all that is
happening in Germany.

Because his fifteen year struggle against a hostile world is a model
of strength and courage.

Because he always acts at the right moment, thereby showing that he is
a heroic leader.

Because he does nothing for himself, but everything for Germany and
for the future of his people.

Because he has given all of us a new faith in Germany.

Because he has given our lives meaning once more by showing us why we
Germans are on the earth.

Because he is the instrument of the will of a higher power.
In sum, because he is a true Fuehrer!

With our yes votes, we Germans will say on 19 August:

To you, our Fuehrer, we pledge our loyalty - Adolf Hitler, we believe
in you!

[Topaz]

Here are some quotes from "With Hitler on the Road to Power" by Dr.
Otto Dietrich

The "Dritte Reich" stands firm. It rests on its foundations, on the
immortal values of the Nordic Race, and in the depth of Germany's
soul.

We call Adolf Hitler our "Leader" (Fuehrer), because that is what he
is. He united State and Nation in Germany.

Only the eye-witness, who has experienced day by day, at the side of
Adolf Hitler, the wave of love and enthusiasm which greets him from
every class of German, can realize that such ovations, so rare in the
life of statesmen, signify no artificial feeling, but genuine
affection.. Hundreds, thousands throng the streets and roads, and
surge toward his car.. The scenes which we witness day by day are
touching and heart-rending. They are not isolated examples, but occur
everywhere.

The history of the National Socialist Movement shall be handed down to
posterity as the epic of the resurrected German Nation.

With indomitable will and unprecedented perseverance, which no
reverse can dishearten, this previously unknown man of the people,
with a few faithful adherents, dared to pierce the lines of the
Marxist terror.. He knows; terror is not overcome by intellect, but by
terror.

Adolf Hitler was not permitted to speak in public. The party lacked
the most essential means. It's existence during the following years -
probably the most arduous of its life - was one long series of
persecutions, muzzling, and trickery. Whoever admitted National
Socialism, was banished from civil life, from the decadent bourgeoisie
and from the class-conscious workers. The mere suspicion of National
Socialism meant the loss of employment and bread, boycott and ruin of
business interests, the inevitable acceptance of misery.

Hundreds, thousands were imprisoned by the November State Government.
Throughout the streets raged bloodshed and scenes of Marxist terror.
All the powers of hell were let loose against the advancing young
movement.

After twelve years of inconceivably laborious preparation, the
N.S.D.A.P. felt strong enough to knock at the door of power in the
Reich

But strong elements of economic opposition were still prevalent, and
these he attacked at the beginning of 1932.

Even today, I can picture this meeting of prominent men. We came for
Godesberg, and drove up to the Park Hotel, amidst the hooting of the
Marxists. The room was over crowded. Huddled together, sat the chief
West German magnates. There were familiar and unfamiliar faces. Men in
the public eye , and those quiet , but no less influential powers,
who, moving behind the scenes, control the fate of economy by the soft
sounds issuing from their private offices- men said to bear a ledger
rather than a heart.

Joyful expectation brightened the faces of those already converted.
But the vast majority bore an air of superiority and cool reserve-
probably flattered that Hitler had approached them. Mere curiosity,
and general interest lured them to the meeting. They wanted to hear
Hitler speak. They had no intention of being converted; the came to
criticize, seeking confirmation of their own infallible opinion.

Our leader received a chilly ovation; he spoke from a slightly raised,
projecting balustrade, he hands resting lightly on the iron railing. I
sat, amongst the listeners, taking notes, and observing the effect of
his speech which lasted for over two hours. From world political
perspective and with cogent logic, out leader elucidated the relations
between economy and politics, their reciprocal effect, and their
results in Germany. He explained the cause of the situation , and
proposed the only possible remedy.

The general impression upon this group of most impassive listeners was
astounding. After an hour, their chilly reserve gave way to intense
interest. Hitler spoke of the titanic struggle of his political
warriors, needy and persecuted, but making every sacrifice, even that
of life, for their nation. He contrasted the German youth's unselfish
idealism, personified in National Socialism, and the noble character
of working-class followers, with the lack of comprehension, the
materialism, and the heavy guilt of the purely economically
established Bourgeoisie. He pricked their social conscience without
causing offence.

They began to flush, fixed their gaze upon out Leader's lips, and it
seemed as if their hearts were moved. He spoke to their very souls.
Faint, then thundering applause greeted Hitler at the conclusion of
his speech; he had won a battle.


The Jewish and Marxist Press lied boldly next day that Hitler had
feasted with the industrial magnates on champagne and lobsters.
Actually, a few minutes later, the night say us on the road again,
bent on fresh work.

Next day, Hitler addressed with equal success the Crefeld Silk
magnates in Godesberg. Later the national club in Hamburg. Everywhere,
the scene was the same.

Those were daring journeys, fraught with danger, through the very
strongholds of the Marxist potentates who were on the track of their
hated, sworn foe.

But Adolf Hitler fought his way through. The number-plate of his car
was smeared with oil and coated with dust- quite indiscernible.

Then we held our first meeting in Goerlitz, where the attendance
exceeded the hundred thousand figure. All the roads were crowed with
masses of people on foot, on bicycles, and in lorries, all with the
same destination.

Hitler spoke as the stars arose in the heavens, and amidst the flaring
torches.

Now the crowds recognized the luminous plane carrying our leader, who
had just devoted his time to them. Cheers broke out from a hundred
thousand throats, drowning even the thunder of our motors, whilst the
crowds brandished flaming torches in greeting.

We have experienced the following fact; In Germany, wherever economic
and moral distress was greatest, wherever things seemed most
intolerable, there, confidence in our leader was strongest, and
gripped all the people.

Wherever our leader approached, every man and woman came out. Crowds
lined the streets. Aged grandmothers, on whose distressed faces the
direst poverty was written, raised their arms in greeting. Wherever we
stopped, the women stretched out their children towards our leader.
There were tears of joy and emotion.

They used to meet upon the Platterhof. Adolf Hitler would often come
in the night fog to the Platterhof, to take counsel with his friends.

The "Conservative State Idea" appropriated our ideas. The most ancient
political mummies of the past suddenly appeared upon the scene, and,
without shame, claimed the credit for out previous successes.

The Youth stood by Hitler, because it knew that he personified the
Nation's Youth. From the beginning, our leader had valued most highly
the immense importance of Youth for the movement. Not the old
generation, but a rising generation, uncorrupted by the destructive
poison of the world ideas of the ruling classes, could bear the new
Germany upon its shoulders.

Finally, on 30th January, 1933, our leader made the short drive over
the Wilhelmsplatz to the Reichskanzler's Office. Amidst boundless
cheers. The seige was over, the fortress had fallen, the gates lay
open.

The political lie had played a prominent role in all epochs of
parliamentary history. But such accumulations of lies and defamations
as our opponents have hurled against the awakening young Germany in
the course of our 13 years' struggle have not been experienced.

What National Socialist's blood does not boil, if he recalls the rapid
fire of press lies, that witches Sabbath of infernal songs of hatred,
which burst upon the National Socialist Movement every day?

The activity of the Marxist Press against National Socialism, by means
of profligacy, unscrupulous lies and base agitation of the public,
stands unrivalled throughout the press of the whole world.

But this systematic lying campaign of our opponents was always the
best evidence of the moral weakness of their own position. The more
desperate their situation was, the more unscrupulous became their
press agitation.

The agitation of the Jewish-Marxist Press against the N.S.D.A.P., has
been such an essential ingredient of our opponents' struggle during
all these years, that we would be guilty of historical forgery if we
did not lay due stress upon this lying campaign in our description of
the events.

The National Socialist Party has re-united people and State, it has
restored the people to the State, and the State to the people. In this
way, an organism, complete within itself, and comprising every
function of the life of the community, was born from the Nation
itself, in the midst of a decadent people and a corrupt State.

In Nuremberg, the Party represented the German people and the German
State, before the eyes of the whole world. This was a more complete, a
more morally dignified, and a more imposing representation than the
State and Nation have ever previously enjoyed.

If proves the recognition that a new valuation of men, a valuation
based upon the laws of nature, is beginning to force its way through
from the hearts of the European Nations. It is about to overcome
Liberalism, and replace it by a new conception of the living
community.

The democratic, parliamentary Liberalism apodictically claimed for
itself the eternal title of the most purposeful and best form of
representation of the peoples rights. At last with its own eyes, the
Nation has recognized National Socialism as the organization of
naturally chosen leaders. National Socialism's achievements in the
fields of Socialism, Economy, Administration, and Reformation of the
Reich, speak for themselves. In one sweep, these leaders have
accomplished what dozens of previous parliamentary, democratic
governments vainly attempted in the most deplorable way.

Probably it is an act of justice and compensation, that the German
Nation, so sorely afflicted by the world-war, is chosen to lead the
way to a better future for the nations.

[meport]

On 1/27/2016 2:02 PM, dino wrote:
> In article <56a907d3$0$5901$b1db1813$796...@news.astraweb.com>, Kixi says...
>>
>> On 2016-01-27 at 09:39:13 Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>

Just for historical reference, the deniers are correct they say that not
one person was ever put in a gas chamber or cremated at Auschwitz. In
fact the victims were marched through the fence that separated
Auschwitz, the main camp that was the work camp where the prisoners were
held as slaves labor, to Birkenau, the death camp next door where the
gas chambers and crematorium's were located and that was set up for the
purpose of killing. Auschwitz was a slave labor camp that worked the
prisoners to death at the IG Farben plant that was next to the work
camp. Birkenau was set up next to Auschwitz to kill people as they arrived.

Just go to the historic site at Auschwitz and take the tour. It's quite
an experience, one I never want to experience again.
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[︰ones]

On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 10:39:43 -0800 (PST), in alt.war.vietnam Eris
<vit...@gmail.com> wrote:

>let's say 2 Million were exterminated? What difference does it make
>if it is 6 million or 2 million? It was still a horrific act, unless
>you are a deranged jew hater.

That *was* my explicit point. It probably exceeded a million people
murdered... isn't that significant?

Jones

[︰ones]

On 27 Jan 2016 11:02:20 -0800, in alt.war.vietnam dino

<dino_...@newsguy.com> wrote:

>So, your conspiracy theory suggests the holocaust is a conspiracy theory.

Heh!

[︰ones]

On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 16:20:18 -0600, in alt.war.vietnam Topaz
<mars...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>After the death of Hindenburg on 2 August 1934, Hitler called a
>referendum to approve his assumption of full power as Fuehrer and
>Chancellor of Germany. 90% of the voters approved Hitler's increased
>powers.

You can, and many do, argue it either way. Old Adolph certainly won
the "election" by a landslide; however, some significant questions as
to the election's legitimacy remain. The point is that the referendum
was never challenged because Adolph was so extremely popular.

IMO, it is historically accurate to say Adolph was elected as long as
one acknowledges the disqualifier. If I decide to be "King" of the
US, declare some kind of an election, everyone wildly approves, bows
(or curtsies), and addresses me as "Your Majesty", may I claim to have
been "elected"?

Dunno.

Jones

[︰ones]

On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 16:17:41 -0600, in alt.war.vietnam Topaz
<mars...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Jewish Domination of Weimar Germany
>By Eckart Verlag

Well, it's just a fact of history that they did dominate the German
economy; it's also a fact that they used illegal (at the time)
currency manipulation to get into that position; it's also a fact that
they enriched themselves at the expense of the rest of the population.

Thus, when the chance arose, *we, the people* rose up and shoved 'em
into gas chambers. There weren't enough Nazis... they were murdered
by the Boy Scouts, by the Kiwanis Clubs, by the Methodist Woman's
Auxiliary Saturday breakfast group...

It could happen in the US. We are *at least* as violent and
aggressive as the German people.

Jones

[Kixi]

Never been there but someone who went came back claiming she had seen
gas chambers and it was quite an experience.

Isn't the whole thing designed to fool you? Start with the entrance
sign. "Arbeit Macht Uns Frei" is not sinister ... but has been spun
that way.

Piles of shoes and eye-glasses are offered as evidence of murder. They
are not. After the real holocaust at Dresden they collected shoes,
coats and jewelry - recylables ... the jewelry for ID purposes.

I think what looked sinister to my eye-witness was the crematorium ...
yet that is evidence that corpses were disposed of properly - nothing
more. The "gas chamber" was the mortuary, an essential component in an
unpleasant necessity.

They put all that together in a carefully delivered script to leave the
impression that this was a killing process.

[Kixi]

On 2016-01-28 at 05:37:20 meport wrote:

There is no evidence that prisoners were worked to death. The captured
documents show that every effort was made to keep working prisoners
alive. Documents show that Berlin ordered camp commanders to give
workers adequate food, health care, rest, recreational facilities etc..

If you have a team of work horses or sled dogs it does you no good to
work and run them to death. You look after them and keep them healthy.

Think about the slogan "prisoners were worked to death". Imagine a
factory where workers are getting weaker by the day. They produce less
day by day, can't concentrate, precious machine tools are being wrecked
by tired handss - hardly a productive policy.

You can't just push a weak worker out and bring in a fresh one and have
them just take over. They all need training. How do peasants make
widgets on unfamiliar equipment without the company investing in
training?

Don't be fooled by this huge Hoax. Think about how they are
manipulating you.

[dino]

In article <56aa31c3$0$19899$c3e8da3$3a1a...@news.astraweb.com>, Kixi says...

Conspiracy enablers fascinate me. First you recruit someone who is passionate
about something, then you build on their passion, supplying them with 'evidence'
that proves the conspiracy, while ignoring any contrary evidence. The recruit
gets ensnared by hearing only one side of the story. Yes, it can actually sound
plausible given enough time and restricting the information.

[dino]

In article <56aa3f90$0$1731$c3e8da3$f017...@news.astraweb.com>, Kixi says...

>
>
>Don't be fooled by this huge Hoax.

Do you have any other conspiracies to promote? I'm tired of this one.

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

well, yes, no one has said it was not horrific...but why do they insist
on the 6 million when we now know that the Auschitz number is 3 million less
than what we were told? as you said, what difference does it make.

The Holocaust was 3 million dead Jews, not the pumped up 6 million?
;-)

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

Topaz wrote:
>
> Here are some quotes from "With Hitler on the Road to Power" by Dr.

Hitler was still an evil guy, fully bent on using military power to
force his will to grab land...from the Saar,Rhineland,Austria,
Czech,and Poland. And why deny that his treatment of Jews was evil.

I'm anti-war, so even if Hitler had valid points he should not have
used military force. He had other avenues available.

[Kixi]

On 2016-01-28 at 08:52:21 Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:

> Topaz wrote:
> >
> > Here are some quotes from "With Hitler on the Road to Power" by Dr.
>
> Hitler was still an evil guy, fully bent on using military power to
> force his will to grab land...from the Saar,Rhineland,Austria,
> Czech,and Poland. And why deny that his treatment of Jews was evil.
>
> I'm anti-war, so even if Hitler had valid points he should not have
> used military force. He had other avenues available.

Hitler was way less evil than Churchill, probably Stalin too.

Churchill personally ordered the fire bombing of the residential and
commercial centres of Germany's cities in order to break the will of
the German people. Hundreds of thousands were killed. Evidence is by
photograpy and documents from both Germany and Britain.

I challenge you to name an attrocity ordered by Hitler that comes close
to Churchill's evil.

[dino]

In article <56aa4f91$0$19432$c3e8da3$b135...@news.astraweb.com>, Kixi says...

>
>
>Churchill personally ordered the fire bombing of the residential and
>commercial centres of Germany's cities in order to break the will of
>the German people. Hundreds of thousands were killed. Evidence is by
>photograpy and documents from both Germany and Britain.
>
>I challenge you to name an attrocity ordered by Hitler that comes close
>to Churchill's evil.

Losers don't get to write the history books.

[Kixi]

So two posters avoid pointing to a serious attrocity ordered by Hitler.
That's OK. No-one can show how his deeds came even close to those of
the Allied leaders.

How about Truman's atomic bombs on Japan? Anything on that scale from
Hitler?

[needtruth]

I did the universe a service and deleted your tripe. Bush lite lied,
lied, lied and that's what history will show and anyone with half a
brain knows he lied.

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[M.I.Wakefield]

"dino" wrote in message news:n8dmf...@drn.newsguy.com...

In article <56aa4f91$0$19432$c3e8da3$b135...@news.astraweb.com>, Kixi
says...

> >I challenge you to name an attrocity ordered by Hitler that comes close
> >to Churchill's evil.

Chelmno. Treblinka. Majdanek. Sobibor. Belzec. Auschwitz-Birkenau.

A brief listing from Wikipedia:

Austria
Murders of children by Heinrich Gross

Belarus
Operation Bamberg
Operation Cottbus
1941
28 September – 17 October, Pleszczenice-Bischolin-Szack (Šacak)-Bobr-Uzda
(White Ruthenia) massacre (1,126 children)
1942
26 March – 6 April, Operation Bamberg (Hłusk, Bobrujsk; 4,396 people,
including children)
9 – 12 May, Kliczów-Bobrujsk massacre (520 people, including children)
Beginning of June, Słowodka-Bobrujsk massacre (1,000 people, including
children)
15 June Borki (powiat białostocki) massacre (1,741 people, including
children)
21 June Zbyszin massacre (1,076 people, including children)
25 June Timkowiczi massacre (900 people, including children)
26 June Studenka massacre (836 people, including children)
18 July, Jelsk massacre (1,000 people, including children)
15 July – 7 August, Operation Adler (Bobrujsk, Mohylew, Berezyna; 1,381
people, including children)
14 – 20 August, Operation Greif (Orsza, Witebsk; 796 people, including
children)
22 August – 21 September, Operation Sumpffieber (White Ruthenia; 10,063
people, including children)
August, Bereźne massacre
22 September – 26 September, Małoryta massacre; 4,038 people, including
children)
23 September – 3 October, Operation Blitz (Połock, Witebsk; 567 people,
including children)
11 – 23 October, Operation Karlsbad (Orsza, Witebsk; 1,051 people, including
children)
23 – 29 November, Operation Nürnberg (Dubrowka; 2,974 people, including
children)
10 – 21 December, Operation Hamburg (Niemen River-Szczara River; 6,172
people, including children)
22 – 29 December, Operation Altona (Słonim; 1,032 people, including
children)
1943
6 – 14 January, Operation Franz (Grodsjanka; 2,025 people, including
children)
10 – 11 January, Operation Peter (Kliczów, Kolbcza; 1,400 people, including
children)
18 – 23 January, Słuck-Mińsk-Czerwień massacre (825 people, including
children)
28 January – 15 February, Operation Schneehase; Połock, Rossony, Krasnopole;
2,283 people, including children); 54; 37
Until 28 January, Operation Erntefest I (Czerwień, Osipowicze; 1,228 people,
including children)
Jaanuar, Operation Eisbär (between Briańsk and Dmitriev-Lgowski)
Until 1 February, Operation Waldwinter (Sirotino-Trudy; 1,627 people,
including children)
8 – 26 February, Operation Hornung (Lenin, Hancewicze; 12,897 people,
including children)
Until 9 February, Operation Erntefest II (Słuck, Kopyl; 2,325 people,
including children)
15 February – end of March, Operation Winterzauber (Oświeja, Latvian border;
3,904 people, including children)
22 February – 8 March, Operation Kugelblitz (Połock, Oświeja, Dryssa,
Rossony; 3,780 people, including children)
Until 19 March, Operation Nixe (Ptycz, Mikaszewicze, Pińsk; 400 people,
including children)
Until 21 March, Operation Föhn (Pińsk; 543 people, including children)
21 March – 2 April, Operation Donnerkeil (Połock, Witebsk; 542 people,
including children)
1 – 9 May, Operation Draufgänger II (Rudnja and Manyly forest; 680 people,
including children)
17 – 21 May, Operation Maigewitter (Witebsk, Suraż, Gorodok; 2,441 people,
including children)
20 May – 23 June, Operation Cottbus (Lepel, Begomel, Uszacz; 11,796 people,
including children)
27 May – 10 June, Operation Weichsel (Dniepr-Prypeć triangle, South-West of
Homel; 4,018 people, including children)
13 – 16 June, Operation Ziethen (Rzeczyca; 160 people, including children)
25 June – 27 July, Operation Seydlitz (Owrucz-Mozyrz; 5,106 people,
including children)
30 July, Mozyrz massacre (501 people, including children)
Until 14 July, Operation Günther (Woloszyn, Lagoisk; 3,993 people, including
children)
13 July – 11 August, Operation Hermann (Iwie, Nowogródek, Woloszyn, Stołpce;
4,280 people, including children)
24 September – 10 October, Operation Fritz (Głębokie; 509 people, including
children)
9 October – 22 October, Stary Bychów massacre (1,769 people, including
children)
1 November – 18 November, Operation Heinrich (Rossony, Połock, Idrica; 5,452
people, including children)
December, Spasskoje massacre (628 people, including children)
December, Biały massacre (1,453 people, including children)
20 December – 1 January 1944, Operation Otto (Oświeja; 1,920 people,
including children)
1944
14 January, Oła massacre (1,758 people, including children)
22 January, Baiki massacre (987 people, including children)
3 – 15 February, Operation Wolfsjagd (Hłusk, Bobrujsk; 467 people, including
children)
5 – 6 February, Barycz (near Buczacz) massacre (126 people, including
children)
Until 19 February, Operation Sumpfhahn (Hłusk, Bobrujsk; 538 people,
including children)
Beginning of March, Berezyna-Bielnicz massacre (686 people, including
children)
7 – 17 April, Operation Auerhahn (Bobrujsk; c. 1,000 people, including
children)
17 April – 12 May, Operation Frühlingsfest (Połock, Uszacz; 7,011 people,
including children)
25 May – 17 June, Operation Kormoran; Wilejka, Borysów, Minsk; 7,697 people,
including children)
2 June – 13 June, Operation Pfingsrose (Talka; 499 people, including
children)
June, Operation Pfingstausnlug (Sienno; 653 people, including children)
June, Operation Windwirbel (Chidra; 560 people, including children)

Estonia

Murders of children by Karl Linnas
1941
2 November, Mass murder of children in Pärnu synagogue (34 children)
1942
27 March Murder of Pliner children (Holocaust in Estonia; 3 children)

France
Le Paradis massacre
Wormhoudt massacre
murders of children in the Drancy internment camp
Ascq massacre April 1944
arrest and deportation to Auschwitz of the children of the orphanage of
Izieu, 6 April 1944
Maillé massacre
Maillé, Indre-et-Loire
Tulle massacre, 9 June 1944
Oradour-sur-Glane massacre (205 children) 10 June 1944
Ardenne Abbey massacre of British and Canadian troops by Waffen-SS

Greece
Massacre of Kondomari (Crete, 60 men, mainly elder)
Razing of Kandanos (Crete, 180, including women children)
Holocaust of Viannos (Crete, 500+, including women children)
Distomo massacre (Central Greece, 218, including women children)
Drakeia massacre (Thessaly, 118 men)
Holocaust of Kedros (Crete, 164, including women children)
Kommeno (Epirus, 317, including women children)
Massacre of Kalavryta (Peloponnese, 1,200+, including women children)
Massacre of the Acqui Division (Kefalonia, 5,000, Italian anti-fascist
troops)
Mesovouno massacre (Macedonia, 268, including women and children)
Paramythia executions (Epirus, 201, including women children)
The Massacre of Chortiatis (Macedonia, 146, including women children)
Executions of Kaisariani (Athens, 200+, all civilians)
Massacre of Mousiotitsa (Epirus, 153, including women children)
Executions of Kokkinia (Athens, 300+, all civilians, assisted by Security
Battalions)
Alikianos executions (Crete, 118, all civilians)
Razing of Anogeia (Crete, unknown, including women and children)
In addition, more than 90 villages and towns are recorded from the Hellenic
network of martyr cities. During the triple German, Italian and Bulgarian,
occupation about 800,000 people lost their lives in Greece.

Italy
Ardeatine massacre
Boves massacre
29 June 1944, Civitella-Cornia-San Pancrazio massacre (Tuscany; 203 people,
including children)
12 August 1944, Sant'Anna di Stazzema massacre (560 people, including
children)
29 September – 5 October 1944, Marzabotto massacre (between 770 and 1,830
civilians killed)
Pietransieri massacre (128 civilians killed on 21 November 1943)
Massacre of Monchio, Susano and Costrignano (between 79 and 136 civilians
killed on 18 March 1944)
Leonessa and Cumulata massacre (51 civilians killed between 2 and 7 April
1944)
Stia massacre (122 civilians killed between 12 and 15 April 1944)
Cumiana massacre (51 civilians killed on 3 April 1944)
Tavolicci massacre (64 civilians killed on 22 July 1944)
Forno massacre (72 civilians killed on 13 June 1944)
Gubbio mssacre (40 civilians executed on 22 June 1944)
San Terenzo massacre (110 civilians and 52 political prisoners killed on 21
August 1944)
Valdine massacre (52 hostages executed in August 1944)
Vinca massacre (between 160 and 178 civilians executed on 24 August 1944)
Casaglia massacre (42 civilians killed on 29 September 1944)
Bergiola Foscalina massacre (72 civilians killed on 16 September 1944)
Madonna dell'Albero massacre (56 civilians killed on 27 November 1944)
Padule Fucecchio massacre (176 civilians killed on 23 August 1944)
Cavriglia-Castelnuovo dei Sabbioni massacre (173 civilians killed on 4 July
1944)
"La Romagna" massacre (75 civilians killed on 11 August 1944)
San Polo di Arezzo massacre (65 civilians killed on 14 July 1944)
Certosia di Farneta massacre (60 civilians killed between 2 and 10 September
1944)
Guardistallo massacre (46 civilians killed on 29 June 1944)
Massaciuccoli-Massarosa massacre (41 civilians killed between 2 and 5
September 1944)
Serra di Ronchidoso massacre (over 100 civilians killed on 28-29 September
1944)
Verghereto massacre (96 civilians killed between 22 and 25 July 1944)
Fossoli-Carpi massacre (67 civilians killed on 12 July 1944)
Turchino Pass massacre (59 civilians executed on 19 May 1944)
Valla massacre (103 civilians killed on 19 August 1944)
Fosse del Frigido massacre (146-149 prisoners murdered on 10 September 1944)
Pedescala massacre (82 civilians killed between 30 April and 2 May 1945)

Latvia
1941
30 November and 8 December, Rumbula massacre (25,000 people, including
children)

Lithuania
1941
13 July – 21 August Daugavpils massacre by Einsatzkommando 3 (9,585 people,
including children)
July – August 1944, Ponary massacre (c. 100,000 people, including children)
18 August – 22 August, Kreis Rasainiai massacre (1,020 children)
19 August, Ukmerge massacre (88 children)
Summer-autumn-winter, Complete murder of native Jewish population in Estonia
(900 individuals, including 101 children)
1 September, Marijampolė massacre (1,404 children)
2 September, Wilno massacre (817 children)
4 September, Čekiškė massacre (60 children)
4 September, Seredžius massacre (126 children)
4 September, Veliuona massacre (86 children)
4 September, Zapyškis massacre (13 children)
6 September – 8 September, Raseiniai massacre (415 children)
6 September – 8 September, Jurbork massacre (412 people, including children)
29 October, Kaunas massacre (4,273 children)
25 November, Kauen-F.IX massacre (175 children)

Netherlands
1940
14 May, Rotterdam bombing (nearly 1,000 people were killed and 85,000 made
homeless.)
1944
1 October, Putten raid (552 deaths)
5 November, Heusden Town Hall Massacre (134 people, including 74 children)

And I could go on ...

> Losers don't get to write the history books.

They try: see David Irving.

[needtruth]

On 1/26/2016 5:06 PM, Topaz wrote:
>

> www.tomatobubble.com www.ihr.org http://nationalvanguard.org
>
> http://national-socialist-worldview.blogspot.com
>

Do you realize how much fun I have deleting your tripe? I bet you don't
because nutso's like you don't understand that what they do is of no
consequence or relevance yet continue to do it out of sheer habit.

--
-- --- truthneeded

[dino]

In article <56aa6065$0$15573$c3e8da3$9dec...@news.astraweb.com>, Kixi says...

>
>So two posters avoid pointing to a serious attrocity ordered by Hitler.
>That's OK. No-one can show how his deeds came even close to those of
>the Allied leaders.

You need to be more than a newsgroup jock for folks to take you seriously.

[StumpyVet]

kinda like basic training :(

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this post was 'cat-scanned' by Turd Blossom the Wonder Cat. if there's
a mistake he musta been off in the litter box.

[Topaz]

On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:06:09 -0500, needtruth <truthcounts> wrote:


>Do you realize how much fun I have deleting your tripe?

Not till now.

> I bet you don't
>because nutso's like you don't understand that what they do is of no
>consequence or relevance yet continue to do it out of sheer habit.

Your post is of no relevance.

[Topaz]

On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:02:25 -0500, needtruth <truthcounts> wrote:


>I did the universe a service and deleted your tripe. Bush lite lied,
>lied, lied and that's what history will show and anyone with half a
>brain knows he lied.

It's true that he lied. But I post cool and important stuff.

This is what you deleted:

"President Bush's Statements On Iraq's Weapons Of Mass Destruction

Bush's statements, in chronological order, were:

"Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were
used for the production of biological weapons."

-United Nations Address, Sept. 12, 2002

"Iraq has stockpiled biological and chemical weapons, and is
rebuilding the facilities used to make more of those weapons."

"We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently
authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very
weapons the dictator tells us he does not have."

-Radio Address, Oct. 5, 2002

"The Iraqi regime... possesses and produces chemical and
biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons."

"We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of
chemical agents, including mustard gas, sarin nerve gas, VX nerve
gas."

"We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a
growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be
used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas.
We're concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVS for
missions targeting the United States."

"The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear
weapons program. Saddam Hussein has held numerous meetings with Iraqi
nuclear scientists, a group he calls his "nuclear mujahideen" - his
nuclear holy warriors. Satellite photographs reveal that Iraq is
rebuilding facilities at sites that have been part of its nuclear
program in the past. Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength
aluminum tubes and other equipment
needed for gas centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for
nuclear weapons."

-Cincinnati, Ohio Speech, Oct. 7, 2002

"Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the
materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX
nerve agent."

-State of the Union Address, Jan. 28, 2003

"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no
doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of
the most lethal weapons ever devised."

-Address to the Nation, March 17, 2003"

Steve

[Topaz]

On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 08:23:05 -0600, ĄJones <ĄJo...@fubar.com> wrote:


>You can, and many do, argue it either way. Old Adolph

His name was Adolf.

> certainly won
>the "election" by a landslide; however, some significant questions as
>to the election's legitimacy remain. The point is that the referendum
>was never challenged because Adolph was so extremely popular.
>
>IMO, it is historically accurate to say Adolph was elected as long as
>one acknowledges the disqualifier. If I decide to be "King" of the
>US, declare some kind of an election, everyone wildly approves, bows
>(or curtsies), and addresses me as "Your Majesty", may I claim to have
>been "elected"?
>
>Dunno.
>
>Jones

[Topaz]

THERE IS NO GREATER POWER in the world today than that wielded by the
manipulators of public opinion in America. No king or pope of old, no
conquering general or high priest ever disposed of a power even
remotely approaching that of the few dozen men who control America's
mass media of news and entertainment.

Their power is not distant and impersonal; it reaches into every home
in America, and it works its will during nearly every waking hour. It
is the power that shapes and molds the mind of virtually every
citizen, young or old, rich or poor, simple or sophisticated.

The mass media form for us our image of the world and then tell us
what to think about that image. Essentially everything we know-or
think we know-about events outside our own neighborhood or circle of
acquaintances comes to us via our daily newspaper, our weekly news
magazine, our radio, or our television.

It is not just the heavy-handed suppression of certain news stories
from our newspapers or the blatant propagandizing of
history-distorting TV "docudramas" that characterizes the
opinion-manipulating techniques of the media masters. They exercise
both subtlety and thoroughness in their management of the news and the
entertainment that they present to us.

For example, the way in which the news is covered: which items are
emphasized and which are played down; the reporter's choice of words,
tone of voice, and facial expressions; the wording of headlines; the
choice of illustrations-all of these things subliminally and yet
profoundly affect the way in which we interpret what we see or hear.
On top of this, of course, the columnists and editors remove any
remaining doubt from our minds as to just what we are to think about
it all. Employing carefully developed psychological techniques, they
guide our thought and opinion so that we can be in tune with the "in"
crowd, the "beautiful people," the "smart money." They let us know
exactly what our attitudes should be toward various types of people
and behavior by placing those people or that behavior in the context
of a TV drama or situation comedy and having the other TV characters
react in the Politically Correct way.

Molding American Minds

For example, a racially mixed couple will be respected, liked, and
socially sought after by other characters, as will a "take charge"
Black scholar or businessman, or a sensitive and talented homosexual,
or a poor but honest and hardworking illegal alien from Mexico. On the
other hand, a White racist-that is, any racially conscious White
person who looks askance at miscegenation or at the rapidly darkening
racial situation in America-is portrayed, at best, as a despicable
bigot who is reviled by the other characters, or, at worst, as a
dangerous psychopath who is fascinated by firearms and is a menace to
all law-abiding citizens. The White racist "gun nut," in fact, has
become a familiar stereotype on TV shows.

The average American, of whose daily life TV-watching takes such an
unhealthy portion, distinguishes between these fictional situations
and reality only with difficulty, if at all. He responds to the
televised actions, statements, and attitudes of TV actors much as he
does to his own peers in real life. For all too many Americans the
real world has been replaced by the false reality of the TV
environment, and it is to this false reality that his urge to conform
responds. Thus, when a TV scriptwriter expresses approval of some
ideas and actions through the TV characters for whom he is writing,
and disapproval of others, he exerts a powerful pressure on millions
of viewers toward conformity with his own views.

And as it is with TV entertainment, so it is also with the news,
whether televised or printed. The insidious thing about this form of
thought control is that even when we realize that entertainment or
news is biased, the media masters still are able to manipulate most of
us. This is because they not only slant what they present, but also
they establish tacit boundaries and ground rules for the permissible
spectrum of opinion.

As an example, consider the media treatment of Middle East news. Some
editors or commentators are slavishly pro-Israel in their every
utterance, while others seem nearly neutral. No one, however, dares
suggest that the U.S. government is backing the wrong side in the
Arab-Jewish conflict, or that 9-11 was a result of that support. Nor
does anyone dare suggest that it served Jewish interests, rather than
American interests, to send U.S. forces to cripple Iraq, Israel's
principal rival in the Middle East. Thus, a spectrum of permissible
opinion, from pro-Israel to nearly neutral, is established.

Another example is the media treatment of racial issues in the United
States. Some commentators seem almost dispassionate in reporting news
of racial strife, while others are emotionally partisan-with the
partisanship always on the non-White side. All of the media spokesmen
without exception, however, take the position that "multiculturalism"
and racial mixing are here to stay and that they are good things.
Because there are differences in degree, however, most Americans fail
to realize that they are being manipulated. Even the citizen who
complains about "managed news" falls into the trap of thinking that
because he is presented with an apparent spectrum of opinion he can
escape the thought controllers' influence by believing the editor or
commentator of his choice. It's a "heads I win, tails you lose"
situation. Every point on the permissible spectrum of public opinion
is acceptable to the media masters-and no impermissible fact or
viewpoint is allowed any exposure at all, if they can prevent it.
The control of the opinion-molding media is nearly monolithic. All of
the controlled media-television, radio, newspapers, magazines, books,
motion pictures-speak with a single voice, each reinforcing the other.
Despite the appearance of variety, there is no real dissent, no
alternative source of facts or ideas accessible to the great mass of
people that might allow them to form opinions at odds with those of
the media masters. They are presented with a single view of the
world-a world in which every voice proclaims the equality of the
races, the inerrant nature of the Jewish "Holocaust" tale, the
wickedness of attempting to halt the flood of non-White aliens pouring
across our borders, the danger of permitting citizens to keep and bear
arms, the moral equivalence of all sexual orientations, and the
desirability of a "pluralistic," cosmopolitan society rather than a
homogeneous, White one. It is a view of the world designed by the
media masters to suit their own ends-and the pressure to conform to
that view is overwhelming. People adapt their opinions to it, vote in
accord with it, and shape their lives to fit it.

And who are these all-powerful masters of the media? As we shall see,
to a very large extent they are Jews. It isn't simply a matter of the
media being controlled by profit-hungry capitalists, some of whom
happen to be Jews. If that were the case, the ethnicity of the media
masters would reflect, at least approximately, the ratio of rich
Gentiles to rich Jews. Despite a few prominent exceptions, the
preponderance of Jews in the media is so overwhelming that we are
obliged to assume that it is due to more than mere happenstance.

Electronic News & Entertainment Media
Continuing government deregulation of the telecommunications industry
has resulted, not in the touted increase of competition, but rather in
an accelerating wave of corporate mergers and acquisitions that have
produced a handful of multi-billion-dollar media conglomerates. The
largest of these conglomerates are rapidly growing even bigger by
consuming their competition, almost tripling in size during the 1990s.
Whenever you watch television, whether from a local broadcasting
station or via cable or a satellite dish; whenever you see a feature
film in a theater or at home; whenever you listen to the radio or to
recorded music; whenever you read a newspaper, book, or magazine-it is
very likely that the information or entertainment you receive was
produced and/or distributed by one of these megamedia companies:
Time Warner. The largest media conglomerate today is Time Warner
(briefly called AOL-Time Warner; the AOL was dropped from the name
when accounting practices at the AOL division were questioned by
government investigators), which reached its current form when America
Online bought Time Warner for $160 billion in 2000. The combined
company had revenue of $39.5 billion in 2003. The merger brought
together Steve Case, a Gentile, as chairman of AOL-Time Warner, and
Gerald Levin, a Jew, as the CEO. Warner, founded by the Jewish Warner
brothers in the early part of the last century, rapidly became part of
the Jewish power base in Hollywood, a fact so well-known that it is
openly admitted by Jewish authors, as is the fact that each new media
acquisition becomes dominated by Jews in turn: Speaking of the initial
merger of Time, Inc. with Warner, Jewish writer Michael Wolff said in
New York magazine in 2001 "since Time Inc.'s merger with Warner ten
years ago, one of the interesting transitions is that it has become a
Jewish company." ("From AOL to W," New York magazine, January 29,
2001)

The third most powerful man at AOL-Time Warner, at least on paper, was
Vice Chairman Ted Turner, a White Gentile. Turner had traded his
Turner Broadcasting System, which included CNN, to Time Warner in 1996
for a large block of Time Warner shares. By April 2001 Levin had
effectively fired Ted Turner, eliminating him from any real power.
However, Turner remained a very large and outspoken shareholder and
member of the board of directors.

Levin overplayed his hand, and in a May 2002 showdown, he was fired by
the company's board. For Ted Turner, who had lost $7 billion of his $9
billion due to Levin's mismanagement, it was small solace. Turner
remains an outsider with no control over the inner workings of the
company. Also under pressure, Steve Case resigned effective in May
2003. The board replaced both Levin and Case with a Black, Richard
Parsons. Behind Parsons the Jewish influence and power remains
dominant.

AOL is the largest Internet service provider in the world, with 34
million U.S. subscribers. It is now being used as an online platform
for the Jewish content from Time Warner. Jodi Kahn and Meg Siesfeld,
both Jews, lead the Time Inc. Interactive team under executive editor
Ned Desmond, a White Gentile. All three report to Time Inc.
editor-in-chief Norman Pearlstine, a Jew. Their job is to transfer
Time Warner's content to target specific segments of America Online's
audience, especially women, children, and teens.

Time Warner was already the second largest of the international media
leviathans when it merged with AOL. Time Warner's subsidiary HBO (26
million subscribers) is the nation's largest pay-TV cable network.
HBO's "competitor" Cinemax is another of Time Warner's many cable
ventures.

Until the purchase in May 1998 of PolyGram by Jewish billionaire Edgar
Bronfman, Jr., Warner Music was America's largest record company, with
50 labels. Warner Music was an early promoter of "gangsta rap."
Through its involvement with Interscope Records (prior to Interscope's
acquisition by another Jewish-owned media firm), it helped to
popularize a genre whose graphic lyrics explicitly urge Blacks to
commit acts of violence against Whites. Bronfman purchased Warner
Music in 2004, keeping it solidly in Jewish hands.

In addition to cable and music, Time Warner is heavily involved in the
production of feature films (Warner Brothers Studio, Castle Rock
Entertainment, and New Line Cinema). Time Warner's publishing division
is managed by its editor-in-chief, Norman Pearlstine, a Jew. He
controls 50 magazines including Time, Life, Sports Illustrated, and
People. Book publishing ventures include Time-Life Books,
Book-of-the-Month Club, Little Brown, and many others. Time Warner
also owns Shoutcast and Winamp, the very tools that most independent
Internet radio broadcasters rely on, and, as a dominant player in the
Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), was essentially
"negotiating" with itself when Internet radio music royalty rules were
set that strongly favored large content providers and forced many
small broadcasters into silence. (The Register, "AOL Time Warner takes
grip of net radio," 8th April 2003)

Ted Turner's Lesson: "Be very careful with whom you merge."
When Ted Turner, the Gentile media maverick, made a bid to buy CBS in
1985, there was panic in the media boardrooms across the country.
Turner had made a fortune in advertising and then built a successful
cable-TV news network, CNN, with over 70 million subscribers.
Although Turner had never taken a stand contrary to Jewish interests,
he was regarded by William Paley and the other Jews at CBS as
uncontrollable: a loose cannon who might at some time in the future
turn against them. Furthermore, Jewish newsman Daniel Schorr, who had
worked for Turner, publicly charged that his former boss held a
personal dislike for Jews.

To block Turner's bid, CBS executives invited billionaire Jewish
theater, hotel, insurance, and cigarette magnate Laurence Tisch to
launch a "friendly" takeover of CBS. From 1986 to 1995 Tisch was the
chairman and CEO of CBS, removing any threat of non-Jewish influence
there. Subsequent efforts by Ted Turner to acquire CBS were obstructed
by Gerald Levin's Time Warner, which owned nearly 20 percent of CBS
stock and had veto power over major deals. But when his fellow Jew
Sumner Redstone offered to buy CBS for $34.8 billion in 1999, Levin
had no objections.

Thus, despite being an innovator and garnering headlines, Turner never
commanded the "connections" necessary for being a media master. He
finally decided if you can't lick 'em, join 'em, and he sold out to
Levin's Time Warner. Ted Turner summed it up:


"I've had an incredible life for the most part. I made a lot of smart
moves, and I made a lot of money. Then something happened, and I
merged with Time Warner, which looked like the right thing to do at
the time. And it was good for shareholders.

"But then I lost control. I thought I would have enough moral
authority to have all the influence in the new company. If you go into
business, be very careful with whom you merge.

"I thought I was buying Time Warner, but they were buying me. We had
kind of a difference in viewpoint. Then they merged with AOL, and that
was a complete disaster, at least so far. I have lost 85 percent of my
wealth."

Disney. The second-largest media conglomerate today, with 2003
revenues of $27.1 billion, is the Walt Disney Company. Its leading
personality and CEO, Michael Eisner, is a Jew.

The Disney empire, headed by a man described by one media analyst as a
"control freak," includes several television production companies
(Walt Disney Television, Touchstone Television, Buena Vista
Television) and cable networks with more than 100 million subscribers
altogether. As for feature films, the Walt Disney Motion Pictures
Group includes Walt Disney Pictures, Touchstone Pictures, Hollywood
Pictures, and Caravan Pictures. Disney also owns Miramax Films, run by
the Jewish Weinstein brothers, Bob and Harvey, who have produced such
ultra-raunchy movies as The Crying Game, Priest, and Kids.
When the Disney Company was run by the Gentile Disney family prior to
its takeover by Eisner in 1984, it epitomized wholesome family
entertainment. While it still holds the rights to Snow White, the
company under Eisner has expanded into the production of a great deal
of so-called "adult" material.

In August 1995, Eisner acquired Capital Cities/ABC, Inc., which owns
the ABC television network, which in turn owns ten TV stations
outright in such big markets as New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, Los
Angeles, San Francisco, and Houston. In addition, in the United States
ABC has 225 affiliated TV stations, over 2,900 affiliated radio
stations and produces over 7,200 radio programs. ABC owns 54 radio
stations and operates 57 radio stations, many in major cities such as
New York, Washington, and Los Angeles. Radio Disney, part of ABC Radio
Networks, provides programming targeting children.

Sports network ESPN, an ABC cable subsidiary, is headed by President
and CEO George W. Bodenheimer, who is a Jew. The corporation also
controls the Disney Channel, Toon Disney, A&E, Lifetime Television,
SOAPnet and the History Channel, with between 86 and 88 million
subscribers each. The ABC Family television network has 84 million
subscribers and, in addition to broadcasting entertainment (some of it
quite raunchy for a "family" channel), is also the network outlet for
Christian Zionist TV evangelist Pat Robertson.

Although primarily a telecommunications company, ABC/Disney earns over
$1 billion in publishing, owning Walt Disney Company Book Publishing,
Hyperion Books, and Miramax Books. It also owns six daily newspapers
and publishes over 20 magazines. Disney Publishing Worldwide publishes
books and magazines in 55 languages in 74 countries, reaching more
than 100 million readers each month

On the Internet, Disney runs Buena Vista Internet Group, ABC Internet
Group, ABC.com, ABCNEWS.com, Oscar.com, Mr. Showbiz, Disney Online,
Disney's Daily Blast, Disney.com, Family.com, ESPN Internet Group,
ESPN.sportzone.com, Soccernet.com, NFL.com, NBA.com, Infoseek (partial
ownership), and Disney Interactive.

Viacom. Number three on the list, with 2003 revenues of just over
$26.5 billion, is Viacom, Inc., headed by Sumner Redstone (born Murray
Rothstein), a Jew. Melvin A. Karmazin, another Jew, was number two at
Viacom until June 2004, holding the positions of president and chief
operating officer. Karmazin remains a large Viacom shareholder.
Replacing Karmazin as co-presidents and co-COOs are a Jew, Leslie
Moonves, and Tom Freston, a possible Jew. (We have been unable to
confirm Freston's Jewish ancestry; he has done work for Jewish
organizations and was involved in the garment trade, a heavily Jewish
industry, importing clothing from the Third World to the U.S. in the
1970s.)

Viacom produces and distributes TV programs for the three largest
networks, owns 39 television stations outright with another 200
affiliates in its wholly-owned CBS Television Network, owns 185 radio
stations in its Infinity radio group, and has over 1,500 affiliated
stations through its CBS Radio Network. It produces feature films
through Paramount Pictures, headed by Jewess Sherry Lansing (born
Sherry Lee Heimann), who is planning to retire at the end of 2005.
Viacom was formed in 1971 as a way to dodge an anti-monopoly FCC
ruling that required CBS to spin off a part of its cable TV operations
and syndicated programming business. This move by the government
unfortunately did nothing to reduce the mostly Jewish collaborative
monopoly that remains the major problem with the industry. In 1999,
after CBS had again augmented itself by buying King World Productions
(a leading TV program syndicator), Viacom acquired its progenitor
company, CBS, in a double mockery of the spirit of the 1971 ruling.
Redstone acquired CBS following the December 1999 stockholders' votes
at CBS and Viacom. CBS Television has long been headed by the
previously mentioned Leslie Moonves; the other Viacom co-president,
Tom Freston, headed wholly-owned MTV.

Viacom also owns the Country Music Television and The Nashville
Network cable channels and is the largest outdoor advertising
(billboards, etc.) entity in the U.S. Viacom's publishing division
includes Simon & Schuster, Scribner, The Free Press, Fireside, and
Archway Paperbacks. It distributes videos through its over 8,000
Blockbuster stores. It is also involved in satellite broadcasting,
theme parks, and video games.

Viacom's chief claim to fame, however, is as the world's largest
provider of cable programming through its Showtime, MTV, Nickelodeon,
Black Entertainment Television, and other networks. Since 1989 MTV and
Nickelodeon have acquired larger and larger shares of the juvenile
television audience. MTV dominates the television market for viewers
between the ages of 12 and 24.

Sumner Redstone owns 76 per cent of the shares of Viacom. He offers
Jackass as a teen role model and pumps MTV's racially mixed rock and
rap videos into 342 million homes in 140 countries and is a dominant
cultural influence on White teenagers around the world. MTV also makes
race-mixing movies like Save the Last Dance.

Nickelodeon, with over 87 million subscribers, has by far the largest
share of the four-to-11-year-old TV audience in America and is
expanding rapidly into Europe. Most of its shows do not yet display
the blatant degeneracy that is MTV's trademark, but Redstone is
gradually nudging the fare presented to his kiddie viewers toward the
same poison purveyed by MTV. Nickelodeon continues a 12-year streak as
the top cable network for children and younger teenagers.

NBC Universal. Another Jewish media mogul is Edgar Bronfman, Jr. He
headed Seagram Company, Ltd., the liquor giant, until its recent
merger with Vivendi. His father, Edgar Bronfman, Sr., is president of
the World Jewish Congress.

Seagram owned Universal Studios and later purchased Interscope
Records, the foremost promoter of "gangsta rap," from Warner.
Universal and Interscope now belong to Vivendi Universal, which merged
with NBC in May 2004, with the parent company now called NBC
Universal.

Bronfman became the biggest man in the record business in May 1998
when he also acquired control of PolyGram, the European record giant,
by paying $10.6 billion to the Dutch electronics manufacturer Philips.
In June 2000, the Bronfman family traded Seagram to Vivendi for stock
in Vivendi, and Edgar, Jr. became vice chairman of Vivendi. Vivendi
was originally a French utilities company, and was then led by Gentile
Jean-Marie Messier. A board of directors faction led by Bronfman
forced Messier to resign in July 2002.

Vivendi also acquired bisexual Jew Barry Diller's USA Networks in
2002. (Diller is the owner of InterActive Corporation, which owns
Expedia, Ticketmaster, The Home Shopping Network, Lending Tree,
Hotels.com, CitySearch, Evite, Match.com, and other Internet
businesses.) Vivendi combined the USA Network, Universal Studios,
Universal Television, and theme parks into Vivendi Universal
Entertainment (VUE).

After the Vivendi-NBC merger, Bronfman used his considerable personal
profits to strike out on his own, and recently purchased Warner Music
from Jewish-dominated Time Warner. The current chairman of NBC
Universal is a Gentile often associated with Jewish causes, long-time
NBC employee Bob Wright. Ron Meyer, a Jew, is president and chief
operating officer of Universal Studios. Stacey Snider, also Jewish, is
the chairman of Universal Pictures. The president of NBC Universal
Television Group is Jeff Zucker, another Jew.

With two of the top four media conglomerates in the hands of Jews
(Disney and Viacom), with Jewish executives running the media
operations of NBC Universal, and with Jews filling a large proportion
of the executive jobs at Time Warner, it is unlikely that such an
overwhelming degree of control came about without a deliberate,
concerted effort on the Jews' part.

Other media companies: Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation owns Fox
Television Network, Fox News, the FX Channel, 20th Century Fox Films,
Fox 2000, and publisher Harper Collins. News Corp. is the fifth
largest megamedia corporation in the nation, with 2003 revenues of
approximately $19.2 billion. It is the only other media company which
comes close to the top four.

Its Fox News Channel has been a key outlet pushing the Jewish
neoconservative agenda that lies behind the Iraq War and which
animates both the administration of George W. Bush and the "new
conservatism" that embraces aggressive Zionism and multiracialism.
Murdoch is nominally a Gentile, but there is some uncertainty about
his ancestry and he has vigorously supported Zionism and other Jewish
causes throughout his life. (Historian David Irving has published
information from a claimed high-level media source who says that
Murdoch's mother, Elisabeth Joy Greene, was Jewish, but we have not
been able to confirm this.) Murdoch's number two executive is Peter
Chernin, who is president and chief operating officer-and a Jew.
Under Chernin, Jews hold key positions in the company: Gail Berman
runs Fox Entertainment Group; Mitchell Stern heads satellite
television division DirecTV; Jane Friedman is chairman and CEO of
Harper Collins; and Thomas Rothman is chairman of Fox Filmed
Entertainment. News Corporation also owns the New York Post and TV
Guide, and both are published under Chernin's supervision. The primary
printed neoconservative journal, The Weekly Standard, is also
published by News Corporation and edited by William Kristol, a leading
Jewish neocon spokesman and "intellectual."

Most of the television and movie production companies that are not
owned by the large media corporations are also controlled by Jews.
For example, Spyglass, an "independent" film producer which has made
such films as The Sixth Sense, The Insider, and Shanghai Noon, is
controlled by its Jewish founders Gary Barber and Roger Birnbaum, who
are co-chairmen. Jonathan Glickman serves as president and Paul
Neinstein is executive vice president. Both men are Jews. Spyglass
makes movies exclusively for DreamWorks SKG.

The best known of the smaller media companies, DreamWorks SKG, is a
strictly kosher affair. DreamWorks was formed in 1994 amid great media
hype by recording industry mogul David Geffen, former Disney Pictures
chairman Jeffrey Katzenberg, and film director Steven Spielberg, all
three of whom are Jews. The company produces movies, animated films,
television programs, and recorded music. Considering the cash and
connections that Geffen, Katzenberg, and Spielberg have, DreamWorks
may soon be in the same league as the big four.

One major studio, Columbia Pictures, is owned by the Japanese
multinational firm Sony. Nevertheless, the studio's chairman is Jewess
Amy Pascal, and its output fully reflects the Jewish social agenda.
Sony's music division recently merged with European music giant BMG to
form Sony BMG Music Entertainment, now one of the world's largest
music distributors. It is headed by CEO Andrew Lack, formerly
president and CEO of NBC-and a Jew. Sony's overall American operations
are headed by a Jew named Howard Stringer, formerly of CBS, who hired
Lack.

It is well known that Jews have controlled most of the production and
distribution of films since shortly after the inception of the movie
industry in the early decades of the 20th century. When Walt Disney
died in 1966, the last barrier to the total Jewish domination of
Hollywood was gone, and Jews were able to grab ownership of the
company that Walt built. Since then they have had everything their way
in the movie industry.

Films produced by seven of the firms mentioned above-Disney, Warner
Brothers, Paramount (Viacom), Universal (NBC Universal), 20th Century
Fox (News Corp.), DreamWorks, and Columbia (Sony)-accounted for 94% of
total box-office receipts for the year 2003.

The big three in television network broadcasting used to be ABC, CBS,
and NBC. With the consolidation of the media empires, these three are
no longer independent entities. While they were independent, however,
each was controlled by a Jew since its inception: ABC by Leonard
Goldenson; NBC first by David Sarnoff and then by his son Robert; and
CBS first by William Paley and then by Laurence Tisch. Over several
decades these networks were staffed from top to bottom with Jews, and
the essential Jewishness of network television did not change when the
networks were absorbed by other Jewish-dominated media corporations.
The Jewish presence in television news remains particularly strong.
NBC provides a good example of this. The president of NBC News is Neal
Shapiro. Jeff Zucker is NBC Universal Television Group president.
Reporting directly to Zucker is his close friend Jonathan Wald,
formerly an NBC program producer, now a senior consultant for CNBC.
David M. Zaslav is president of NBC Cable (and also a director of
digital video firm TiVo Inc.). The president of MSNBC is Rick Kaplan.
All of these men are Jews.

A similar preponderance of Jews exists in the news divisions of the
other networks. Sumner Redstone, Tom Freston, and Les Moonves control
Viacom's CBS. Moonves demonstrated his power in 2002 by replacing the
entire staff of the new CBS Early Show. He is also a great-nephew of
Zionist leader David Ben-Gurion, Israel's first prime minister. Al
Ortiz (also a Jew) is executive producer and director of special
events coverage for CBS News. Senior executive producer Michael Bass
and Victor Neufeld (formerly producer of ABC's 20/20) produce the CBS
Early Show; both are Jews.

At ABC, David Westin, who is a Jew according to Jeffrey Blankfort of
the Middle East Labor Bulletin, is the president of ABC News. The
senior vice president for news at ABC is Paul Slavin, also a Jew.
Bernard Gershon, a Jew, is senior vice president/general manager of
the ABC News Digital Media Group, in charge of ABCNEWS.com, ABC News
Productions, and ABC News Video Source.

The Print Media

After television news, daily newspapers are the most influential
information medium in America. About 58 million of them are sold (and
presumably read) each day. These millions are divided among some 1,456
different publications. One might conclude that the sheer number of
different newspapers across America would provide a safeguard against
minority control and distortion. Alas, such is not the case. There is
less independence, less competition, and much less representation of
majority interests than a casual observer would think.

In 1945, four out of five American newspapers were independently owned
and published by local people with close ties to their communities.
Those days, however, are gone. Most of the independent newspapers were
bought out or driven out of business by the mid-1970s. Today most
"local" newspapers are owned by a rather small number of large
companies controlled by executives who live and work hundreds or even
thousands of miles away. Today less than 20 percent of the country's
1,456 papers are independently owned; the rest belong to
multi-newspaper chains. Only 103 of the total number have circulations
of more than 100,000. Only a handful are large enough to maintain
independent reporting staffs outside their own communities; the rest
must depend on these few for all of their national and international
news.

The Associated Press (AP), which sells content to newspapers, is
currently under the control of its Jewish vice president and managing
editor, Michael Silverman, who directs the day-to-day news reporting
and supervises the editorial departments. Silverman had directed the
AP's national news as assistant managing editor, beginning in 1989.
Jewess Ann Levin is AP's national news editor. Silverman and Levin are
under Jonathan Wolman, also a Jew, who was promoted to senior vice
president of AP in November 2002.

In only two per cent of the cities in America is there more than one
daily newspaper, and competition is frequently nominal even among
them, as between morning and afternoon editions under the same
ownership or under joint operating agreements.

Much of the competition has disappeared through the monopolistic
tactics of the Jewish Newhouse family's holding company, Advance
Publications. Advance publications buys one of two competing
newspapers, and then starts an advertising war by slashing advertising
rates, which drives both papers to the edge of bankruptcy. Advance
Publications then steps in and buys the competing newspaper. Often
both papers continue: one as a morning paper and the other as an
evening paper. Eventually, though, one of the papers is closed-giving
the Newhouse brothers the only daily newspaper in that city. For
example, in 2001 the Newhouses closed the Syracuse Herald-Journal
leaving their other Syracuse newspaper, the Post-Journal, with a
monopoly.

The Newhouse media empire provides an example of more than the lack of
real competition among America's daily newspapers: it also illustrates
the insatiable appetite Jews have shown for all the organs of opinion
control on which they could fasten their grip. The Newhouses own 31
daily newspapers, including several large and important ones, such as
the Cleveland Plain Dealer, the Newark Star-Ledger, and the New
Orleans Times-Picayune; Newhouse Broadcasting, consisting of
television stations and cable operations; the Sunday supplement
Parade, with a circulation of more than 35 million copies per week;
some two dozen major magazines, including The New Yorker, Vogue,
Wired, Glamour, Vanity Fair, Bride's, Gentlemen's Quarterly, Self,
House & Garden, and all the other magazines of the wholly-owned Conde
Nast group. The staffing of the magazines is, as you might expect,
quite Kosher. Parade can serve as an example: Its publisher is Randy
Siegel, its editor and senior vice president is Lee Kravitz, its
creative director is Ira Yoffe, its science editor is David H. Levy,
and its health editor is Dr. Isadore Rosenfeld.

This Jewish media empire was founded by the late Samuel Newhouse, an
immigrant from Russia. When he died in 1979 at the age of 84, he
bequeathed media holdings worth an estimated $1.3 billion to his two
sons, Samuel and Donald. With a number of further acquisitions, the
net worth of Advance Publications has grown to more than $9 billion
today. The gobbling up of so many newspapers by the Newhouse family
was facilitated by newspapers' revenue structure. Newspapers, to a
large degree, are not supported by their subscribers but by their
advertisers. It is advertising revenue-not the small change collected
from a newspaper's readers-that largely pays the editor's salary and
yields the owner's profit. Whenever the large advertisers in a city
choose to favor one newspaper over another with their business, the
favored newspaper will flourish while its competitor dies. Since the
beginning of the last century, when Jewish mercantile power in America
became a dominant economic force, there has been a steady rise in the
number of American newspapers in Jewish hands, accompanied by a steady
decline in the number of competing Gentile newspapers-to some extent a
result of selective advertising policies by Jewish merchants.

Furthermore, even those newspapers still under Gentile ownership and
management are so thoroughly dependent upon Jewish advertising revenue
that their editorial and news reporting policies are largely
constrained by Jewish likes and dislikes. It holds true in the
newspaper business as elsewhere that he who pays the piper calls the
tune.

Three Jewish Newspapers

The suppression of competition and the establishment of local
monopolies on the dissemination of news and opinion have characterized
the rise of Jewish control over America's newspapers. The resulting
ability of the Jews to use the press as an unopposed instrument of
Jewish policy could hardly be better illustrated than by the examples
of the nation's three most prestigious and influential newspapers: the
New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and the Washington Post.
These three, dominating America's financial and political capitals,
are the newspapers that set the trends and the guidelines for nearly
all the others. They are the ones that decide what is news and what
isn't at the national and international levels. They originate the
news; the others merely copy it. And all three newspapers are in
Jewish hands.

The New York Times, with a 2003 circulation of 1,119,000, is the
unofficial social, fashion, entertainment, political, and cultural
guide of the nation. It tells America's "smart set" which books to buy
and which films to see; which opinions are in style at the moment;
which politicians, educators, spiritual leaders, artists, and
businessmen are the real comers. And for a few decades in the 19th
century it was a genuinely American newspaper.

The New York Times was founded in 1851 by two Gentiles, Henry J.
Raymond and George Jones. After their deaths, it was purchased in 1896
from Jones's estate by a wealthy Jewish publisher, Adolph Ochs. His
great-great-grandson, Arthur Sulzberger, Jr., is the paper's current
publisher and the chairman of the New York Times Co. Russell T. Lewis,
also a Jew, is president and chief executive officer of The New York
Times Company. Michael Golden, another Jew, is vice chairman. Martin
Nisenholtz, a Jew, runs their massive Internet operations.

The Sulzberger family also owns, through the New York Times Co., 33
other newspapers, including the Boston Globe, purchased in June 1993
for $1.1 billion; eight TV and two radio broadcasting stations; and
more than 40 news-oriented Web operations. It also publishes the
International Herald Tribune, the most widely distributed
English-language daily in the world. The New York Times News Service
transmits news stories, features, and photographs from the New York
Times by wire to 506 other newspapers, news agencies, and magazines.
Of similar national importance is the Washington Post, which, by
establishing its "leaks" throughout government agencies in Washington,
has an inside track on news involving the Federal government.
The Washington Post, like the New York Times, had a non-Jewish origin.
It was established in 1877 by Stilson Hutchins, purchased from him in
1905 by John R. McLean, and later inherited by Edward B. McLean. In
June 1933, however, at the height of the Great Depression, the
newspaper was forced into bankruptcy. It was purchased at a bankruptcy
auction by Eugene Meyer, a Jewish financier and former partner of the
infamous Bernard Baruch, a Jew who was industry czar in America during
the First World War. The Washington Post was run by Katherine Meyer
Graham, Eugene Meyer's daughter, until her death in 2001. She was the
principal stockholder and board chairman of the Washington Post
Company; and she appointed her son, Donald Graham, publisher of the
paper in 1979. Donald became Washington Post Company CEO in 1991 and
its board chairman in 1993, and the chain of Jewish control at the
Post remains unbroken. The newspaper has a daily circulation of
732,000, and its Sunday edition sells over one million copies.

The Washington Post Company has a number of other media holdings in
newspapers (the Gazette Newspapers, including 11 military
publications); in television (WDIV in Detroit, KPRC in Houston, WPLG
in Miami, WKMG in Orlando, KSAT in San Antonio, WJXT in Jacksonville);
and in magazines, most notably the nation's number-two weekly
newsmagazine, Newsweek.

The Washington Post Company's various television ventures reach a
total of about 12 million homes, and its cable TV service, Cable One,
has 750,000 subscribers.

The Wall Street Journal sells 1,820,000 copies each weekday and is
owned by Dow Jones & Company, Inc., a New York corporation that also
publishes 33 other newspapers and the weekly financial tabloid
Barron's. The chairman and CEO of Dow Jones is Peter R. Kann, who is a
Jew. Kann also holds the posts of chairman and publisher of the Wall
Street Journal.

Most of New York's other major newspapers are in no better hands than
the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal. In January 1993 the
New York Daily News (circulation 729,000) was bought from the estate
of the late Jewish media mogul Robert Maxwell (born Ludvik Hoch) by
Jewish real-estate developer Mortimer B. Zuckerman. Another Jew, Les
Goodstein, is the president and chief operating officer of the New
York Daily News. And, as mentioned above, the neocon-slanted New York
Post (circulation 652,000) is owned by News Corporation under the
supervision of Jew Peter Chernin.

News Magazines
The story is much the same for other media as it is for television,
radio, films, music, and newspapers. Consider, for example,
newsmagazines. There are only three of any importance published in the
United States: Time, Newsweek, and U.S. News & World Report.
Time, with a weekly circulation of 4.1 million, is published by a
subsidiary of Time Warner Communications, the news media conglomerate
formed by the 1989 merger of Time, Inc., with Warner Communications.
The editor-in-chief of Time Warner Communication is Norman Pearlstine,
a Jew.

Newsweek, as mentioned above, is published by the Washington Post
Company, under the Jew Donald Graham. Its weekly circulation is 3.2
million.

U=2ES. News & World Report, with a weekly circulation of 2.0 million,
is owned and published by the aforementioned Mortimer B. Zuckerman,
who also has taken the position of editor-in-chief of the magazine for
himself. Zuckerman also owns New York's tabloid newspaper, the Daily
News, which is the sixth-largest paper in the nation.

Our Responsibility
Those are the facts of media control in America. Anyone willing to
spend a few hours in a large library looking into current editions of
yearbooks on the radio and television industries and into directories
of newspapers and magazines; into registers of corporations and their
officers, such as those published by Standard and Poors and by Dun and
Bradstreet; and into standard biographical reference works can verify
their accuracy. They are undeniable. When confronted with these facts,
Jewish spokesmen customarily will use evasive tactics. "Ted Turner
isn't a Jew!" they will announce triumphantly, as if that settled the
issue. If pressed further they will accuse the confronter of
"anti-Semitism" for even raising the subject. It is fear of this
accusation that keeps many persons who know the facts silent.
But we must not remain silent on this most important of issues. The
Jewish control of the American mass media is the single most important
fact of life, not just in America, but in the whole world today. There
is nothing-plague, famine, economic collapse, even nuclear war-more
dangerous to the future of our people.

Jewish media control determines the foreign policy of the United
States and permits Jewish interests rather than American interests to
decide questions of war and peace. Without Jewish media control, there
would have been no Persian Gulf war, for example. There would have
been no NATO massacre of Serb civilians. There would have been no Iraq
War, and thousands of lives would have been saved. There would have
been little, if any, American support for the Zionist state of Israel,
and the hatreds, feuds, and terror of the Middle East would never have
been brought to our shores.

By permitting the Jews to control our news and entertainment media we
are doing more than merely giving them a decisive influence on our
political system and virtual control of our government; we also are
giving them control of the minds and souls of our children, whose
attitudes and ideas are shaped more by Jewish television and Jewish
films than by parents, schools, or any other influence.

The Jew-controlled entertainment media have taken the lead in
persuading a whole generation that homosexuality is a normal and
acceptable way of life; that there is nothing at all wrong with White
women dating or marrying Black men, or with White men marrying Asian
women; that all races are inherently equal in ability and
character-except that the character of the White race is suspect
because of a history of oppressing other races; and that any effort by
Whites at racial self-preservation is reprehensible.

We must oppose the further spreading of this poison among our people,
and we must break the power of those who are spreading it. It would be
intolerable for such power to be in the hands of any alien minority
with values and interests different from our own. But to permit the
Jews, with their 3,000-year history of nation-wrecking, from ancient
Egypt to Russia, to hold such power over us is tantamount to race
suicide. Indeed, the fact that so many White Americans today are so
filled with a sense of racial guilt and self-hatred that they actively
seek the death of their own race is a deliberate consequence of Jewish
media control.

Once we have absorbed and understood the fact of Jewish media control,
it is our inescapable responsibility to do whatever is necessary to
break that control. We must shrink from nothing in combating this evil
power that has fastened its deadly grip on our people and is injecting
its lethal poison into our people's minds and souls. If our race fails
to destroy it, it certainly will destroy our race.

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Auschwitz: Myths and facts
by Mark Weber

Nearly everyone has heard of Auschwitz, the German wartime
concentration camp where many prisoners-most of them Jewish-were
reportedly exterminated, especially in gas chambers. Auschwitz is
widely regarded as the most terrible Nazi extermination center. The
camp's horrific reputation cannot, however, be reconciled with the
facts.

Scholars challenge Holocaust story

Astonishing as it may seem, more and more historians and engineers
have been challenging the widely accepted Auschwitz story. These
"revisionist" scholars do not dispute the fact that large numbers of
Jews were deported to the camp, or that many died there, particularly
of typhus and other diseases. But the compelling evidence they present
shows that Auschwitz was not an extermination center and that the
story of mass killings in "gas chambers" is a myth.

The Auschwitz camps

The Auschwitz camp complex was set up in 1940 in what is now
south-central Poland. Large numbers of Jews were deported there
between 1942 and mid-1944.

The main camp was known as Auschwitz I. Birkenau, or Auschwitz II, was
supposedly the main extermination center, and Monowitz, or Auschwitz
III, was a large industrial center where gasoline was produced from
coal. In addition there were dozens of smaller satellite camps devoted
to the war economy.

Four million victims?

At the postwar Nuremberg Tribunal, the Allies charged that the Germans
exterminated four million people at Auschwitz. This figure, which was
invented by the Soviets, was uncritically accepted for many years. It
often appeared in major American newspapers and magazines, for
example. (note 1)

Today no reputable historian, not even those who generally accept the
extermination story, believes this figure. Israeli Holocaust historian
Yehuda Bauer said in 1989 that it is time to finally acknowledge the
familiar four million figure is a deliberate myth. In July 1990 the
Auschwitz State Museum in Poland, along with Israel's Yad Vashem
Holocaust Center, suddenly announced that altogether perhaps one
million people (both Jews and non-Jews) died there. Neither
institution would say how many of these people were killed, nor were
any estimates given of the numbers of those supposedly gassed. (note
2) One prominent Holocaust historian, Gerald Reitlinger, has estimated
that perhaps 700,000 or so Jews perished at Auschwitz. More recently,
Holocaust historian Jean-Claude Pressac has estimated that about
800,000 persons-of whom 630,000 were Jewish-perished at Auschwitz.
While even such lower figures are incorrect, they show how the
Auschwitz story has changed drastically over the years. (note 3)

Bizarre tales

At one time it was seriously claimed that Jews were systematically
electrocuted at Auschwitz. American newspapers, citing a Soviet
eyewitness report from liberated Auschwitz, told readers in February
1945 that the methodical Germans had killed Jews there using an
"electric conveyor belt on which hundreds of persons could be
electrocuted simultaneously [and] then moved on into furnaces. They
were burned almost instantly, producing fertilizer for nearby cabbage
fields." (note 4)

And at the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans used a "newly invented" device to
instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way
that there was no trace left of them." (note 5) No reputable historian
now accepts either of these fanciful tales.

The Höss 'confession'

A key Holocaust document is the "confession" of former Auschwitz
commandant Rudolf Höss of April 5, 1946, which was submitted by the
U.S. prosecution at the main Nuremberg trial. (note 6)
Although it is still widely cited as solid proof for the Auschwitz
extermination story, it is actually a false statement that was
obtained by torture.

Many years after the war, British military intelligence sergeant
Bernard Clarke described how he and five other British soldiers
tortured the former commandant to obtain his "confession." Höss
himself privately explained his ordeal in these words: "Certainly, I
signed a statement that I killed two and half million Jews. I could
just as well have said that it was five million Jews. There are
certain methods by which any confession can be obtained, whether it is
true or not." (note 7)

Even historians who generally accept the Holocaust extermination story
now acknowledge that many of the specific statements made in the Höss
"affidavit" are simply not true. For one thing, no serious scholar now
claims that anything like two and a half or three million people
perished in Auschwitz.

The Höss "affidavit" further alleges that Jews were already being
exterminated by gas in the summer of 1941 at three other camps:
Belzec, Treblinka and Wolzek. The "Wolzek" camp mentioned by Höss is a
total invention. No such camp existed, and the name is no longer
mentioned in Holocaust literature. Moreover, the story these days by
those who believe in the Holocaust legend is that gassings of Jews did
not begin at Auschwitz, Treblinka, or Belzec until sometime in 1942.
No documentary evidence

Many thousands of secret German documents dealing with Auschwitz were
confiscated after the war by the Allies. Not a single one refers to a
policy or program of extermination. In fact, the extermination story
cannot be reconciled with the documentary evidence.

Many Jewish inmates unable to work

For example, it is often claimed that all Jews at Auschwitz who were
unable to work were immediately killed. Jews who were too old, young,
sick, or weak were supposedly gassed on arrival, and only those who
could be worked to death were temporarily kept alive.

But the evidence shows that, in fact, a very high percentage of the
Jewish inmates were not able to work, and were nevertheless not
killed. For example, an internal German telex message dated Sept. 4,
1943, from the chief of the Labor Allocation department of the SS
Economic and Administrative Main Office (WVHA), reported that of
25,000 Jewish inmates in Auschwitz, only 3,581 were able to work, and
that all of the remaining Jewish inmates-some 21,500, or about 86
percent-were unable to work. (note 8)

This is also confirmed in a secret report dated April 5, 1944, on
"security measures in Auschwitz" by Oswald Pohl, head of the SS
concentration camp system, to SS chief Heinrich Himmler. Pohl reported
that there was a total of 67,000 inmates in the entire Auschwitz camp
complex, of whom 18,000 were hospitalized or disabled. In the
Auschwitz II camp (Birkenau), supposedly the main extermination
center, there were 36,000 inmates, mostly female, of whom
"approximately 15,000 are unable to work." (note 9)

These two documents simply cannot be reconciled with the Auschwitz
extermination story.

The evidence shows that Auschwitz-Birkenau was established primarily
as a camp for Jews who were not able to work, including the sick and
elderly, as well as for those who were temporarily awaiting assignment
to other camps. That's the considered view of Dr. Arthur Butz of
Northwestern University, who also says that this was the reason for
the unusually high death rate there. (note 10)

Princeton University history professor Arno Mayer, who is Jewish,
acknowledges in a recent book about the "final solution" that more
Jews perished at Auschwitz as a result of typhus and other "natural"
causes than were executed. (note 11)

Anne Frank

Perhaps the best known Auschwitz inmate was Anne Frank, who is known
around the world for her famous diary. But few people know that
thousands of Jews, including Anne and her father, Otto Frank,
"survived" Auschwitz.

The 15-year-old girl and her father were deported from the Netherlands
to Auschwitz in September 1944. Several weeks later, in the face of
the advancing Soviet army, Anne was evacuated along with many other
Jews to the Bergen-Belsen camp, where she died of typhus in March
1945.

Her father came down with typhus in Auschwitz and was sent to the camp
hospital to recover. He was one of thousands of sick and feeble Jews
who were left behind when the Germans abandoned the camp in January
1945, shortly before it was overrun by the Soviets. He died in
Switzerland in 1980.

If the German policy had been to kill Anne Frank and her father, they
would not have survived Auschwitz. Their fate, tragic though it was,
cannot be reconciled with the extermination story.

Allied propaganda

The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay
statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any
evidence of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because
rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread.

Allied planes dropped large numbers of LEAFLETS , written in Polish
and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that
people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story,
which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort,
was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. (note 12)

Survivor testimony

Former inmates have confirmed that they saw no evidence of
extermination at Auschwitz.

An Austrian woman, Maria Vanherwaarden, testified about her camp
experiences in a Toronto District Court in March 1988. She was
interned in Auschwitz-Birkenau in 1942 for having sexual relations
with a Polish forced laborer. On the train trip to the camp, a Gypsy
woman told her and the others that they would all be gassed at
Auschwitz.

Upon arrival, Maria and the other women were ordered to undress and go
into a large concrete room without windows to take a shower. The
terrified women were sure that they were about to die. But then,
instead of gas, water came out of the shower heads.
Auschwitz was no vacation center, Maria confirmed. She witnessed the
death of many fellow inmates by disease, particularly typhus, and
quite a few committed suicide. But she saw no evidence at all of mass
killings, gassings, or of any extermination program. (note 13)
A Jewish woman named Marika Frank arrived at Auschwitz-Birkenau from
Hungary in July 1944, when 25,000 Jews were supposedly gassed and
cremated daily. She likewise testified after the war that she heard
and saw nothing of "gas chambers" during the time she was interned
there. She heard the gassing stories only later. (note 14)

Inmates released

Auschwitz internees who had served their sentences were released and
returned to their home countries. If Auschwitz had actually been a top
secret extermination center, the Germans would certainly not have
released inmates who "knew" what was happening in the camp. (note 15)

Himmler orders death rate reduced

In response to the deaths of many inmates due to disease, especially
typhus, the German authorities responsible for the camps ordered firm
counter-measures.

The head of the SS camp administration office sent a directive dated
Dec. 28, 1942, to Auschwitz and the other concentration camps. It
sharply criticized the high death rate of inmates due to disease, and
ordered that "camp physicians must use all means at their disposal to
significantly reduce the death rate in the various camps."

Furthermore, it ordered:

The camp doctors must supervise more often than in the past the
nutrition of the prisoners and, in cooperation with the
administration, submit improvement recommendations to the camp
commandants . . . The camp doctors are to see to it that the working
conditions at the various labor places are improved as much as
possible.

Finally, the directive stressed that "the Reichsfhrer SS [Heinrich
Himmler] has ordered that the death rate absolutely must be reduced."
(note 16)

German camp regulations

Official German camp regulations make clear that Auschwitz was not an
extermination center. They ordered: (note 17)

New arrivals in the camp are to be given a thorough medical
examination, and if there is any doubt [about their health], they must
be sent to quarantine for observation.

Prisoners who report sick must be examined that same day by the camp
physician. If necessary, the physician must transfer the prisoners to
a hospital for professional treatment.

The camp physician must regularly inspect the kitchen regarding the
preparation of the food and the quality of the food supply. Any
deficiencies that may arise must be reported to the camp commandant.
Special care should be given in the treatment of accidents, in order
not to impair the full productivity of the prisoners.

Prisoners who are to be released or transfered must first be brought
before the camp physician for medical examination.

Telltale aerial photos

Detailed aerial reconnaissance photographs taken of Auschwitz-Birkenau
on several random days in 1944 (during the height of the alleged
extermination period there) were made public by the CIA in 1979. These
photos show no trace of piles of corpses, smoking crematory chimneys
or masses of Jews awaiting death, things that have been repeatedly
alleged, and all of which would have been clearly visible if Auschwitz
had been the extermination center it is said to have been. (note 18)
Absurd cremation claims

Cremation specialists have confirmed that thousands of corpses could
not possibly have been cremated every day throughout the spring and
summer of 1944 at Auschwitz, as commonly alleged.
For example, Mr. Ivan Lagace, manager of a large crematory in Calgary,
Canada, testified in court in April 1988 that the Auschwitz cremation
story is technically impossible. The allegation that 10,000 or even
20,000 corpses were burned every day at Auschwitz in the summer of
1944 in crematories and open pits is simply "preposterous" and "beyond
the realm of reality," he declared under oath. (note 19)

Gassing expert refutes extermination story

America's leading gas chamber expert, Boston engineer Fred A.
Leuchter, carefully examined the supposed "gas chambers" in Poland and
concluded that the Auschwitz gassing story is absurd and technically
impossible.

Leuchter is the foremost specialist on the design and installation of
gas chambers used in the United States to execute convicted criminals.
For example, he designed a gas chamber facility for the Missouri state
penitentiary.

In February 1988 he carried out a detailed onsite examination of the
"gas chambers" at Auschwitz, Birkenau and Majdanek in Poland, which
are either still standing or only partially in ruins. In sworn
testimony to a Toronto court and in a technical report, Leuchter
described every aspect of his investigation.

He concluded by emphatically declaring that the alleged gassing
facilities could not possibly have been used to kill people. Among
other things, he pointed out that the so-called "gas chambers" were
not properly sealed or vented to kill human beings without also
killing German camp personnel. (note 20)

Dr. William B. Lindsey, a research chemist employed for 33 years by
the Dupont Corporation, likewise testified in a 1985 court case that
the Auschwitz gassing story is technically impossible. Based on a
careful on-site examination of the "gas chambers" at Auschwitz,
Birkenau and Majdanek, and on his years of experience, he declared: "I
have come to the conclusion that no one was willfully or purposefully
killed with Zyklon B [hydrocyanic acid gas] in this manner. I consider
it absolutely impossible." (note 21)

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On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 08:37:20 -0500, meport <w...@did.good> wrote:

>Just go to the historic site at Auschwitz and take the tour. It's quite
>an experience, one I never want to experience again.

Auschwitz Museum Director
Reveals 'Gas Chamber' Hoax
By P. Samuel Foner
The Spotlight
Volume XIX, Number 2
5-31-4

In a dramatic and unprecedented videotaped interview, Dr. Franciszek
Piper, senior curator and director of archives of the Auschwitz State
Museum admitted on camera that 'Krema 1,' the alleged 'homicidal gas
chamber' shown off to hundreds of thousands of tourists every year at
the Auschwitz main camp, was, in fact, fabricated after the war by the
Soviet Union -apparently on the direct orders of Josef Stalin.

What Piper said - in effect and on camera - was that the explosive
1988 Leuchter Report was correct: no homicidal gassings took place in
the buildings designated as 'homicidal gas chambers' at Auschwitz.

With this admission by none other than the respected head of the
Auschwitz State Museum, one of the most sacred 'facts' of history has
been destroyed. This 'gas chamber' is the major historical 'fact' on
which much of the foreign and domestic policies of all Western nations
since WWII are based.

It is the basis for the $100+ billion in foreign aid the United States
has poured into the state of Israel since its inception in 1948 -
amounting to $16,500 for every man, woman and child in the Jewish
state and billions more paid by Germany in 'reparations' - not to
mention the constructing of Israel's national telephone, electrical
and rail systems...all gifts of the German people. It is the basis for
the $10 billion 'loan' (read 'gift') made to Israel for housing its
immigrants in the occupied territories...while Americans sleep on the
streets and businesses are bankrupted by the thousands. (Note - As of
2004, not a single 'loan' of US tax money made to the state of Israel
by Washington has ever been paid back. -ed)

Germany is paying 'reparations' - the United States is making
major contributions - to atone for the 'gassings at Auschwitz' and
elsewhere. If the 'homicidal gas chambers' were postwar creations of
the Soviets, in which no one was gassed regardless of race, creed,
color or country of national origin, then these 'reparations' were
unnecessary, and were based on fraud.

The videotape on which Dr. Piper makes his revelations was made in
mid-1992 by a young Jewish investigator, David Cole and follows 12
years of intensive investigation by dozens of historians, journalists
and scientists who have tried to get to the bottom of what really
happened at Auschwitz.

Like most Americans, since his youth, Cole had been instructed in the
'irrefutable fact' that mass homicidal gassings had taken place at
Auschwitz. The number of those executed - also declared irrefutable -
was 4.1 million.

Then came the Leuchter Report in 1988 which was followed with an
official 're-evaluation' of the total deaths at Auschwitz (down to 1.1
million). As a budding historian - and a Jew - Cole was intrigued.

Previous to 1992, anyone who publicly doubted or questioned the
official 4.1 millon 'gassing' deaths at Auschwitz was labeled an anti-
semite, neo-nazi skinhead at the very least. Quietly, because of
revisionist findings, the official figure was lowered to 1.1 million.
No mention was made of the missing 3 million.

The Cole videotape interview proves that the people who run the
Auschwitz State Museum had made a practice of fabricating 'proofs' of
homicidal gassings. Keep in mind that over the years millions of
tourists have been told that 'Krema 1' is in its original state, while
officials knew that 'original state' is a lie.

The political, religious, financial and historical ramifications of
this proof of no homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz cannot be
measured. Coupled with the Leuchter Report, the Cole interview with
Dr. Piper on videotape proves that what Western governments have
taught about the Auschwitz gas chamber since WWII is a lie. It proves
that what televangelists such as Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson have
been telling their flocks is simply not true.

No one, regardless of race, creed, color or country of national origin
was gassed to death in any building so designated at Auschwitz. And
without 'homicidal gas chambers' at Auschwitz, where is the reasoning
for the special treatment of the state of Israel?

Note - This is excerpted from the orginal, much longer article by P.
Samuel Foner.

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Buchenwald: Legend and Reality


By Mark Weber

The Buchenwald concentration camp was located on a wooded hill outside
of Weimar, in what is now East Germany. It was opened in July 1937.
Until the war years, almost all the inmates were either professional
criminals or political prisoners (most of them ardent Communists).
Some 2,300 Buchenwald inmates were pardoned in 1939 in honor of
Hitler's 50th birthday.

Many thousands of Jews arrived at Buchenwald from Hungary and various
eastern camps in 1944 and 1945. Most had been evacuated by railroad
from Auschwitz and other camps threatened by the advancing Red Army.
(3)

The first Commandant, Karl Koch, ran Buchenwald from 1937 until early
1942, when he was transferred to Majdanek. He proved a notoriously
brutal and corrupt administrator who enriched himself with valuables
stolen from numerous inmates, whom he then had killed to cover up his
thefts. The camp physician, Dr. Waldemar Hoven, murdered many inmates
in cooperation with Koch and the Communist underground camp
organization. Koch was eventually charged by an SS court with murder
and corruption, found guilty and executed. (5)

His wife, Ilse Koch, was involved in many of her husband's crimes, but
the fantastic charge that she had lamp shades and other items
manufactured from the skins of murdered inmates is not true. This
allegation was made by the United States prosecution team at the main
Nuremberg trial. (6)

General Lucius D. Clay, Commander in Chief of U.S. Forces in Europe
and Military Governor of the U.S. Occupation Zone of Germany, 1947-49,
carefully reviewed the Ilse Koch case in 1948 and found that, whatever
her other misdeeds, the lampshade charge was baseless. He commuted her
sentence from life imprisonment to four years and informed the Army
Department in Washington "There is no convincing evidence that she
[Ilse Koch] selected inmates for extermination in order to secure
tatooed skins or that she possessed any articles made of human skin."
(7) During a 1976 interview Clay recalled the case:

We tried Ilse Koch ... She was sentenced to life imprisonment, and
I commuted it to three [four] years. And our press really didn't like
that. She had been destroyed by the fact that an enterprising reporter
who first went into her house had given her the beautiful name, the
"Bitch of Buchenwald," and he had found some white lampshades in there
which he wrote up as being made out of human flesh

Well, it turned out actually that it was goat flesh But at the
trial it was still human flesh. It was almost impossible for her to
have gotten a fair trial.

A former Buchenwald inmate recalled in 1981: "... Homosexuals were
oppressed by the Nazis because of their social mores ... In
Buchenwald, a great number of them were not killed by the Nazis, but
by political prisoners [Communists], because of the homosexuals'
aggressive and offensive behavior." (l3)

Day-to-day conditions were much better than most portrayals would
suggest. Inmates could both receive and send two letters or postcards
monthly. They could receive money from the outside. Inmates were also
paid for their labor with special camp currency, which they could use
to purchase a wide variety of items in the camp canteen. They played
soccer, handball and volleyball in their spare time. Soccer matches
were held on Saturdays and Sundays on the camp playing field. A large
camp library offered a wide range of books. A motion picture theater
was very popular. There were also variety shows, and musical groups
put on regular concerts in the central square.

The Americans who arrived at Buchenwald in April 1945 found hundreds
of sick inmates and many unburied corpses in the camp. Horrific photos
of these gruesome scenes were immediately circulated throughout the
world and have been widely reproduced ever since, giving the
impression that Buchenwald was a diabolical mass killing center.

The American government encouraged this impression. A U.S. Army report
about Buchenwald prepared for the Supreme Allied Headquarters in
Europe and made public at the end of April 1945 declared that the
"mission of the camp" was "an extermination factory." (15) And two
weeks later a U.S. Congressional report on German camps, later used as
a Nuremberg trial document, was issued which likewise described
Buchenwald as an "extermination factory." (l6)

This superficially plausible description is, however, completely
wrong. The great majority of those who died at Buchenwald perished
during the chaotic final months of the war. They succumbed to disease,
often aggravated by malnutrition, in spite of woefully inadequate
efforts to keep them alive. They were victims, not of an
"extermination" program, but rather of the terrible overcrowding and
severe lack of food and medical supplies due to a general collapse of
order in Germany during the tumultuous final phase of the war.

Along with these indirect victims of the war were many healthy
inmates. B.M. McKelway inspected Buchenwald shortly after the U.S.
takeover as one of a group of American newspaper editors and
publishers. He reported that "many of the hundreds of inmates we saw
appeared to be healthy while others suffering from dysentery, typhus,
tuberculosis and other diseases were living skeletons." (17)

One striking indication that Buchenwald was not an "extermination"
camp is the fact that some of the internees were children too young to
work. An estimated one thousand boys, aged two to 16, were housed in
two special children's barracks. Train transports of Jewish children
arrived from 1942 to 1945. Some arrived from Auschwitz in 1943. Other
Jewish children came from Hungary and Poland. (18) The confidential
U.S. Army report of April 24, 1945, noted the "most remarkable sight
of the children" who "rush about, shrieking and playing." (l9)

Thirty years after the war, even famed "Nazi hunter" Simon Wiesenthal
conceded that "there were no extermination camps on German soil." (20)

Perhaps the most vicious lie circulated after the war about Buchenwald
is the charge that the Germans exterminated inmates there in gas
chambers. An official French government report submitted to the
Nuremberg tribunal as a prosecution exhibit imaginatively stated:
"Everything had been provided for down to the smallest detail. In
1944, at Buchenwald, they had even lengthened a railway line so that
the deportees might be led directly to the gas chamber. Certain [of
the gas chambers] had a floor that tipped and immediately directed the
bodies into the room with the crematory oven." (21) The chief British
prosecutor at the main Nuremberg trial, Sir Hartley Shawcross,
declared in his closing address that "murder [was] conducted like some
mass production industry in the gas chambers and the ovens" of
Buchenwald and other camps. (22)

In a book published in 1947, French priest Georges Henocque, former
chaplain of the Saint-Cyr Military Academy, claimed to have visited
the inside of a Buchenwald gas chamber, which he described in detail.
This particular story has been cited as a good example of the kind of
Holocaust lies which even prominent personalities are capable of
inventing. (23)

Another French priest and former inmate, Jean-Paul Renard, made a
similar claim about the camp in his own book published shortly after
the war: "I saw thousands and thousands of persons going into the
showers. Instead of liquid, asphyxiating gases poured out over them."
When fellow Frenchman and former Buchenwald inmate Paul Rassinier
pointed out to the priest that there was no gas chamber in the camp,
Renard replied: "Right, but that's only a figure of speech ... and
since those things existed somewhere, it's not important." (24)

In a book published in 1948, Hungarian Jewish writer Eugene Levai
charged that the Germans killed tens of thousands of Hungarian Jews at
Buchenwald in gas chambers. (25)

A widely distributed booklet issued by the Jewish Anti-Defamation
League of B'nai B'rith also spread the tale that people were gassed at
Buchenwald. (26)

In 1960 the Buchenwald gassing story was officially declared a fable.
In that year, Martin Broszat of the anti-Hitler Institute for
Contemporary History in Munich specifically stated that no one was
ever gassed at Buchenwald. (27) Professor A.S. Balachowsky, a member
of the Institut de France, likewise declared in November 1971: "I
would like to confirm to you that no gas chamber as such existed at
Buchenwald ..." (28) Holocaust writer Konnilyn Feig conceded in her
book, Hitler's Death Camps, that Buchenwald did not have a gas
chamber. (29) Today no serious historian still claims gassings there.

The numbers of persons estimated to have perished at Buchenwald while
it was under German control vary tremendously. According to former
inmate Elie Wiesel, the prolific Jewish writer and 1986 Nobel Peace
Prize recipient, "In Buchenwald they sent 10,000 to their deaths every
day." (30) This wildly irresponsible statement is, unfortunately, all
too typical of the the rhetoric of the man who was also chosen to head
the U.S. government's official Holocaust Memorial Council.

The 1980 edition of the World Book Encyclopedia claimed that "more
than 100,000" died in the camp. (31) The Encyclopaedia Judaica put the
number at 56,549. (32) Raul Hilberg, writing in the 1982 edition of
the Encyclopedia Americana, stated that "more than 50,000 died in the
Buchenwald complex." (33)

The U.S. Army intelligence report of April 24, 1945 (cited above)
noted that the total number of certified deaths was 32,705. (34) A
detailed June 1945 U.S. government report about Buchenwald put the
total at 33,462, of whom more than 20,000 died in the chaotic final
months of the war. (35)

The authoritative International Tracing Service of Arolsen, an
affiliate of the International Red Cross, stated in 1984 that the
number of documented deaths (of both Jews and non-Jews) at Buchenwald
was 20,671, with another 7,463 for Dora (Mittelbau). (36)

While even these lower figures are regrettably high, it is important
to realize that the great majority of those who died at Buchenwald
were unfortunate victims of a catastrophic war, not German policy.
Most of the rest were murdered by order of the Communist underground
camp organization. Several hundred were also killed in Allied bombing
attacks.

In one air raid against a large munitions factory near the main camp,
British bombers killed 750 persons, including 400 inmates. (37)

Following the American takeover of Buchenwald in April 1945, about 80
remaining German guards and camp functionaries were summarily
murdered. Inmates brutally beat the Germans to death, sometimes with
the aid and encouragement of American soldiers. (38) Between 20 and 30
GIs took turns gleefully beating six young Germans to death. (39)
Inmates also commandeered American jeeps and drove to nearby Weimar,
where they looted and randomly killed German civilians. (40)

After the war the Soviet secret police operated Buchenwald as a
concentration camp for "potential class enemies" and other "possibly
dangerous" German civilians. In September 1949, more than four years
after the end of the war, there were still 14,300 inmates in the
"special camp." (While Buchenwald was under German control, the number
of inmates did not reach 14,000 until May 1943.) Conditions were
horrible. Even the Soviet official in charge of the concentration
camps in Germany, General Merkulov, acknowledged the severe lack of
order and cleanliness, particularly at Buchenwald. At least 13,000 and
as many as 21,000 persons died in Soviet-run Buchenwald, but no one
has ever been punished for the deaths and mistreatment in this
notorious postwar camp. (4l) One former inmate described his "five
years of horrible seclusion, humiliations, interrogations and
annihilation" in the Soviet-run camp in these words:

People were mere numbers. Their dignity was consciously trampled
upon. They were starved without mercy and consumed by tuberculosis
until they were skeletons. The annihilation process which had been
well tested over decades was systematic. The cries and groans of those
in pain still echo in my ears whenever the past comes back to me in
sleepless nights. We had to watch helplessly as people perished
according to plan -- like creatures sacrificed to annihilation.

Many nameless people were caught up in the annihilation machinery
of the NKVD [Soviet secret police] after the collapse of 1945. They
were herded together like cattle after the so-called liberation and
vegetated in the many concentration camps. Many were systematically
tortured to death. A memorial was built for the dead of the Buchenwald
concentration camp. A figure of death victims was chosen based on
fantasy. Intentionally, only the dead of the 1937-1945 period were
honored. Why is there no memorial honoring the dead of 1945 to 1950?
Countless mass graves were dug around the camp in the postwar period.
(42)

In an act of stunning hypocrisy, the Communist rulers of the postwar
"German Democratic Republic" have turned the Buchenwald camp area into
a kind of secular shrine. Every year, hundreds of thousands visit the
sites, complete with museums, bell tower, monumental sculpture and
memorials dedicated, ironically enough, to the "victims of fascism."
(43) There is nothing to remind visitors of the thousands of forgotten
Germans who perished miserably during the years after the war when the
camp was run by the Soviets.

The story of Buchenwald, like the story of virtually every German
wartime concentration camp, is a microcosm of the entire Holocaust
tale. The widely-accepted portrayal of Buchenwald, like those of the
other German camps, contrasts sharply with the little-known reality.


Notes

1. The information in this section is from two sources: "Buchenwald,"
Encyclopaedia Judaica (New York and Jerusalem: 1971), Vol. 4, pp.
1442, 1445; and U.S. government report B-2833 of 18 June 1945.
Document 217I-PS, published in the "red series," Nazi Conspiracy and
Aggression (NC&A) (Washington, DC: 1946-48), Vol. 4, pp. 800-833.

2. U.S. Army report of 25 May 1945. Document 2222-PS. Published in
NC&A, Vol. 4, pp. 86p864; "German-Born NASA Expert ...," The New York
Times, 18 October 1984, pp. Al, A12: "Ex-Nazi Denies Role ...," The
New York Times, 21 October 1984, p. 8.

3. Document 2171-PS. NC&A, Vol. 4, pp. 800-833.

4. 2171-PS. NC&A, Vol. 4, pp. 832-833.

5. Nuremberg testimony of Günther Reinecke, 7 August 1946. Published
in the IMT "blue series," Trial of the Major War Criminals Before the
International Military Tribunal (IMT) (Nuremberg: 1947 49), VoL 20,
pp. 438, 441 142; SS indictment brief against Karl Koch, 11 April
1944. Document NO-2360.

6. IMT, Vol. 3, pp. 514-515; Vol. 5, pp. 220-201; Vol. 32, pp. 267-
269.

7. "Clay Explains Cut in Ilse Koch Term," The New York Times, 24 Sept.
1948,p.3.

8. Interview with Lucius D. Clay. Official Proceedings of the George
C. Marshall Research Foundation. Transcript of a videotape interview
shown at the conference "U.S. Occupation in Europe After World War
II," 23- 24 April 1976 at Lexington, Va., sponsored by the George C.
Marshall Research Foundation, pp. 37-38. (I am grateful to Robert
Wolfe of the National Archives for bringing this interview to my
attention.)

9. Egon W. Fleck and Edward A.t Tenenbaum, Buchenwald: A Preliminary
Report, U.S. Army, 12th Army Group, 24 April 1945. National Archives,
Record Group 331, SHAEF, G-5, 17.11, Jacket 10, Box 151
(8929tl63-8929/180). I am grateful to Mr. Timothy Mulligan of the
Military Branch of the National Archives for bringing this report to
my attention. See also: Donald B. Robinson, "Communist Atrocities at
Buchenwald," American Mercury, October 1946, pp. 397-404; and
Christopher Burney, The Dungeon Democracy (New York 1946), pp. 21,
22-23, 28-29, 32, 33, 34, 44, 46, 49.

10. Internationales Buchenwald-Komitee, Buchenwald (East Berlin:
Kongress, 1961).

11. Ernst Federn, 'That German ..." Harper's, August 1948, pp.
106-107.

12. Christopher Burney, The Dungeon Democracy (New York 1946), pp.
l09, 124, 128-130.

13. The Jewish Times (Baltimore). Quoted in "On the Holocaust," The
Gay Paper (Baltimore), December 1981, p. 2.

14. John Mendelsoln; "Sources," Prologue (Washington, DC: National
Archives), Fall 1983, p. 180; Konnilyn G. Feig, Hitler's Death Camps
(New York 1981), p. 96; K. Morgen testimony, 7 August 1946, IMT, Vol.
20, p. 490; testimony by former Buchenwald inmate Arnost Tauber at
Nuremberg "I.G. Farben" trial, 12 Nov. 1947. Printed in: Udo Walendy
(ed.), Auschwitz im IG-Farben Prozess (1981), p. 119; Roger Manvell
and H. Fraenkel, The Incomparable Crime (New Yorlc 1967), p. 155;
Buchenwald Camp: The Report of a Parliamentary Delegation (London:
HMSO, 1945), pp. 4, 5.

15. "Official Army Report Lists Buchenwald as Extermination Factory,
The Washington Star, 29 April 1945, p. A7.

16. U.S. Congressional Report on Camps, Doc. 159-L., IMT, Vol. 37, pp.
605-626; and Congressional Record (Senate), 15 May 1945, pp. 457S
4582.

17. B. M. McKelway, "Buchenwald ...," The Washington Star, 29 April
1945, pp. Al, A7.

18. B. M. McKelway, "Buchenwald ...," The Washington Star, 29 April
1945, p. A7; affidavit of H. Wilhelm Hamman of 6 March 1947. NO-2328.
(Hamman was an inmate from 1938 until April 1945.)

19. E.W. Fleck and EA. Tenenbaum, Buchenwald: A Preliminary Report, 24
April 1945 (Cited above), p. 14; see also the photo of Jewish children
inmates at Buchenwald in: Robert Abzug, Inside the Vicious Heart (New
York: Oxford, 1985), pp. 148-149.

20. S. Wiesenthal (letter), Book and Bookmen (London), April 1975, p.
5.

21. Nuremberg document 274-F (RF-301). IMT, Vol. 37, p. 148.

22. IMT, Vol. 19, p. 434; NC&A, Suppl. Vol. A, p. 61.

23. Georges Henocque, Les Autres de la Bàte (Paris: G. Duraissie,
1947), p. 115. Facsimile reprint and commentary in Robert Faurisson,
Memoire en Defense (Paris: 1980), pp. 185-191.

24. Paul Rassinier, Debunking the Genocide Myth (Torrance, CA.: The
Noontide Press, 1978), pp. 129-130.

25. Eugene Levai, Black Book on the Martyrdom of Hungarian Jewry
(Zurich: 1948), p. 439.

26. Earl Raab, The Anatomy of Nazism (New York ADL, 1979), photo
caption opposite page 21. The Buchenwald gassing myth was also
propagated in: Francis Tomczuk, "Days of Remembrance," American Legion
Magazine, April 1985, p. 23.

27. Die Zeit, 19 August 1960, p. 16 (U.S. edition 26 August 1960).

28. Germaine Tillion, Ravensbrueck (Garden City, NY: Anchor/Doubleday,
1975), p. 231.

29. K Feig, Hitler's Death Camps, p. 100.

30. Stefan Kanfer, "Author, Teacher, Witness," Time magazine, 18 March
1985, p. 79.

31. "Buchenwald," World Book Encyclopedia, (1980 edition), Vol. 2, p.
550.

32. "Buchenwald," Encyclopaedia Judaica, Vol. 4, p. 1445.

33. R Hilberg, "Buchenwald," Encyclopedia Americana (1982 edition),
Vol. 4, p. 677.

34. E. Fleck and E. Tenenbaum, Buchenwald: A Preliminary Report (cited
above), p. 18.

35. 2171-PS. NC&A, Vol. 4, p. 801.

36. Statement by Arolsen registry official Butterweck, 16 Jan. 1984.
Facsimile in: Deutsche National-Zeitung (Munich), Nr. 18, 27 April
1984, p. 10.

37. Buchenwald Camp: The Report of a Parliamentary Delegation (London:
HMSO, 1945), p. 5; 2171-PS. NC&A, VoL 4, p. 821.

38. Robert Abzug, Inside the Vicious Heart, pp. 49, 52.

39. Marguerite Higgins, News Is a Singular Thing (Doubleday, 1955), p.
78-79.

40. Elie Wiesel, Legends of Our Time (New York Holt, Rinehart and
Winston, 1968), p. 140; Raul Hilberg, The Destruction of the European
Jews (New York Holmes and Meier, 1985), p. 987.

41. "Bis 1950: Buchenwald und Sachsenhausen," Amerika Woche (Chicago),
11 May 1985, p. 3; "Im Todeslager der Sowjets." D. National-Zeitung
(Munich), Nr. 47, 15 Nov. 1985, p. 4; "Soviet Camps Busy, Berlin Paper
Says," The New York Times, 10 Sept. 1949, p. 6.

42. Letter by E. Krombholz of Aschaffenburg, "Erlebnisbericht aus
einem Sowjet-KZ," D. National-Zeitung (Munich), Nr. 11, 9 March 1984,
p. 10; see also sketches of conditions in Soviet-run Buchenwald by
former inmate Dr. Heinz Moller in: D. National-Zeitung (Munich), Nr.
6, 3 Feb. 1984, p. 5.

43. "Nazi Death Camp ..." (AP) Gazette-Telegraph (Colorado Springs,
Co.), 1 July 1984, p. H12; "At Buchenwald ...," The New York Times, 14
April 1985, pp. 1, 29.

From The Journal of Historical Review, Winter 1986-87 (Vol. 7, No 4),
pages 405-417.

[Topaz]

The Holocaust Cowing and Milking of Nations By Alex Linder

'Holocaust': The Means by Which the Richest Group in the World
Contrives to Cow and Milk the Rest of the Us in the Guise of Victims
who are Persecuted and Due Eternal Restitution.

Reading through a thousand blog reactions to Duke v Blitzer on CNN, a
generalization crystallizes. People confuse being told something six
million times with knowing something. They are not the same. "It ain't
what you don't know, it's what you know that just ain't so." The
average man 'knows' the Holocaust exists because:

1) everybody uses the term;
2) he has seen photos of stacked bodies;
3) he has read Anne Frank's book;
4) authorities agree that questioning any of this is 'hate.'

In other words, the average man believes in the Holocaust for no
logical reason, but out of simple mammalian conformity.
'Holocaust' is a loaded, dishonest term. You can't debate with
undefined terms without making a joke of yourself, but the average man
does not realize this. It is the part of public school, reinforced by
mass media, to disable his thinking so that he's worse positioned to
defend himself because he can't understand how he is manipulated to
accept the illogical. Debate in the mass media of a democracy is
nothing but the shuffling of loaded terms.

'Holocaust' is no ordinary noun. Rather, it is a loaded gun leveled at
the head of the West and the rest. Give them their money and their
pride of place or get your head and reputation blown off. You will
notice that never, ever does debate in the captive media condescend to
deconstruct the Zionist Privilege embodied in and sanctified by the
designer label 'Holocaust.' Worship the Zionists and submit to their
demands - that is what the term Holocaust means.

A demand for special privilege protected by a shell of pseudo-history;
that is an objective description of the term. The heart of the
'Holocaust,' taking at face value the term's pretension to historical
designation, is the claim that six million Jews were murdered by Nazi
Germany, most of them by gassing. The evidence for the gassing is
never discussed. Photos of crematories and bodies stacked like cord
wood are shown. No context or explanation of the reason for showing
them is given. The connection is to be assumed. But never is any
ordinary evidence, let alone proof, of the gassing allegation
advanced. That Jews were gassed is treated as though it were already
proved and therefore unquestionable, save by the depraved. Thus, the
practical job of the media and the well intentioned everyman is to
smear and ostracize anybody who argues against settled truth. We all
know that Jews were gassed, and that those who say otherwise are
deniers driven by hate. But it ain't so just because "everybody knows"
it is.

We are told repeatedly that the 'Holocaust' is both the worst thing
that ever happened and the best documented thing in human history. We
are to take these assertions on authority, since no genuine debate is
allowed.

There are men who can prove the 'Holocaust' is a Big Lie. You can find
them in jail. Their imprisonment is scarcely mentioned in the mass
media. Their imprisonment goes unlamented by the mass columnists. To
discuss these men and their work would endanger the Propa-sphere the
media construct. They must disappear. But we know, mass media. And
we're not going away. We're getting louder and stronger. And there's
nothing you can do to stop us.

[Topaz]

On 28 Jan 2016 16:19:29 GMT, "Kixi" <Kix...@hotmail.ca> wrote:


>
>There is no evidence that prisoners were worked to death. The captured
>documents show that every effort was made to keep working prisoners
>alive. Documents show that Berlin ordered camp commanders to give
>workers adequate food, health care, rest, recreational facilities etc..
>
>If you have a team of work horses or sled dogs it does you no good to
>work and run them to death. You look after them and keep them healthy.
>
>Think about the slogan "prisoners were worked to death". Imagine a
>factory where workers are getting weaker by the day. They produce less
>day by day, can't concentrate, precious machine tools are being wrecked
>by tired handss - hardly a productive policy.
>
>You can't just push a weak worker out and bring in a fresh one and have
>them just take over. They all need training. How do peasants make
>widgets on unfamiliar equipment without the company investing in
>training?
>
>Don't be fooled by this huge Hoax. Think about how they are
>manipulating you.
>

True, but when the allies started all the bombing that changed. There
was starvation, caused entirely by the allies.

[Ralph]

In article <8rqdnbrvYtnp2zfL...@supernews.com>

Rapist Bill Clinton killed 500,000 civilians. Why does he get a
pass?

> The Holocaust was 3 million dead Jews, not the pumped up 6 million?
> ;-)

There wasn't even 3 million dead Jews...

[Ralph]

In article <CrCdnQKYP42n2jfL...@supernews.com>

"Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <pres...@coldine.edu> wrote:
>

> Topaz wrote:
> >
> > Here are some quotes from "With Hitler on the Road to Power" by Dr.
>
> Hitler was still an evil guy, fully bent on using military power to
> force his will to grab land...from the Saar,Rhineland,Austria,
> Czech,and Poland. And why deny that his treatment of Jews was evil.

Because it wasn't. Jews are not good citizens or Christians,
and never have been. Jews have historically been an evil and
perverted culture.

Even the bible condemns Jews.

"Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped
out, . . . and that he may send the Messiah, who has been
appointed for you— even Jesus. (Acts 3:19-20)"

While we're at it, what about the white racists in the USA who
deliberately ignore black on white crime and say it doesn't
occur?

What purpose does that serve?

> I'm anti-war, so even if Hitler had valid points he should not have
> used military force. He had other avenues available.

Name them.

[StumpyVet]

On 1/28/2016 5:29 PM, Ralph wrote:
> In article <CrCdnQKYP42n2jfL...@supernews.com>
> "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <pres...@coldine.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Topaz wrote:
>>>
>>> Here are some quotes from "With Hitler on the Road to Power" by Dr.
>>
>> Hitler was still an evil guy, fully bent on using military power to
>> force his will to grab land...from the Saar,Rhineland,Austria,
>> Czech,and Poland. And why deny that his treatment of Jews was evil.
>
> Because it wasn't. Jews are not good citizens or Christians,
> and never have been. Jews have historically been an evil and
> perverted culture.
>
> Even the bible condemns Jews.

<fiction cites deleted>

so did you get your bicycle stolen by some mean Orthodox Jewish kid with
the curls and funny hat? (at least it was funny til he took your bike
for laughing at him)

funny thing...the similarity between the torah, bible and even the hated
koran...at least up until the time our christ came to be. now I'd
really wanna know what joseph smith was smokin' up in the mountains
before he became a prophet (or is it profit)

[Jem Betlejewski]

On 28 Jan 2016, "Ralph" <ral...@mts.com> posted some
news:d845d93d96b0eb51...@dizum.com:

Because the mass media doesn't acknowledge the fact that Bill Clinton
started the Iraq war as a deception to avoid impeachment.

>> The Holocaust was 3 million dead Jews, not the pumped up 6 million?
>> ;-)
>
> There wasn't even 3 million dead Jews...

--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: ne...@netfront.net ---

[StumpyVet]

how do you say clinton started a war when history shows he couldn't even
finish one against a ragtag bunch of Somali dopeheads.

besides that I think Monica pretty much was a volunteer.

>
>>> The Holocaust was 3 million dead Jews, not the pumped up 6 million?
>>> ;-)
>>
>> There wasn't even 3 million dead Jews...
>
>
> --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: ne...@netfront.net ---
>

[redv...@gmail.com]

redvet: And here along we thought it was a Bush....Weren't you pigs
all up about that during Clinton's war in Bosnia...?


You're not at all adding to your credibility here in
alt.war.vietnam...

Poblic education in Texas is so lacking.

redvet
http://www.vvawai.org/

[︰ones]

On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 00:14:26 +0100 (CET), in alt.war.vietnam "Ralph"
<ral...@mts.com> wrote:

>Rapist Bill Clinton killed 500,000 civilians. Why does he get a
>pass?

Jerking off does not count as murder.

[dino]

In article <940ca8a2432a0591...@dizum.com>, Ralph says...
>
>Jews are not... Christians

No kidding.

[Colonel Edmund J. Burke]

No, but they were a real pain in the ass to the Romans.

[dino]

In article <ro6lab1r7tkpbhq6n...@4ax.com>, Topaz says...

>
>
>In other words, the average man believes in the Holocaust for no
>logical reason, but out of simple mammalian conformity.

http://www.ushmm.org/remember/the-holocaust-survivors-and-victims-resource-center/benjamin-and-vladka-meed-registry-of-holocaust-survivors/behind-every-name-a-story

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

Kixi wrote:

> On 2016-01-28 at 08:52:21 Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>
>
>>Topaz wrote:
>>
>>>Here are some quotes from "With Hitler on the Road to Power" by Dr.
>>
>>Hitler was still an evil guy, fully bent on using military power to
>>force his will to grab land...from the Saar,Rhineland,Austria,
>>Czech,and Poland. And why deny that his treatment of Jews was evil.
>>

>>I'm anti-war, so even if Hitler had valid points he should not have
>>used military force. He had other avenues available.
>
>

> Hitler was way less evil than Churchill, probably Stalin too.

IMHO Hitler started the war...so he and his followers are responsible.
Trying to prove they were really good guys, or not as bad as the
Allies, is insanely futile...except for the white supremacists,
skin-heads, and the like.

i'm done with this topic
;-)




>
> Churchill personally ordered the fire bombing of the residential and
> commercial centres of Germany's cities in order to break the will of
> the German people. Hundreds of thousands were killed. Evidence is by
> photograpy and documents from both Germany and Britain.

>
> I challenge you to name an attrocity ordered by Hitler that comes close
> to Churchill's evil.
>
>
>
>

[meport]

On 1/28/2016 6:29 PM, Ralph wrote:
> In article <CrCdnQKYP42n2jfL...@supernews.com>
> "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <pres...@coldine.edu> wrote:
> Because it wasn't. Jews are not good citizens or Christians,
> and never have been. Jews have historically been an evil and
> perverted culture.
>

vinnie, baby!! You surprise me with statements like this. Codine U
must be a bible belt holier than though place that permits it's facility
to make blatant raciest statements without the fear of losing their
tenure. But then again, a fake college is what you say it is, isn't it.

I took a side trip there to insult you for being the bigoted, raciest,
anti Semitic scum that I always knew you are. Now I'll do my best to
insult your intellect.

Guess WHO was JEWISH? You should get this one with your first guess!!!
Yep, you got it the first time around if you guessed JESUS CHRIST WAS
A JEW!!!!! JESUS CHRIST WAS JEWISH!!!!! HIS MOTHER WAS A NICE JEWISH
GIRL WHO GOT KNOCKED UP BY GOD BECAUSE SHE WAS THE NICEST JEWISH GIRL
ALIVE IN THOSE DAYS!!!!! HIS FATHER WAS JEWISH!!!! HIS GRAND PARENTS
WERE JEWISH!!!!! HIS 12 PALS WHO FOLLOWED HIM AROUND WERE ALL
JEWISH!!!!! HIS GIRLFRIEND WAS JEWISH!!!!! THE BRO WHO BAPTIZED HIM
WAS JEWISH!!!!! THEY WERE ALL JEWISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yep, your pal and buddy Jesus and the pal and buddy (Jesus) of all the
nutso fundamentals was a JEW, JEW, JEW, JEW. I never could figure out
who hitler and all his pals thought Jesus was and what religion Jesus
was because the short answer, and the only answer, is JESUS WAS A JEW,
JEWISH, A HEBE (if you want to get crass), and everyone he knew and
associated with and every relative he had was JEWISH. Yep, every single
one of the.

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[Kixi]

On 2016-01-29 at 08:56:19 Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:

> Kixi wrote:
> > On 2016-01-28 at 08:52:21 Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Topaz wrote:
> > >
> > > > Here are some quotes from "With Hitler on the Road to Power" by
> > > > Dr.
> > >
> > > Hitler was still an evil guy, fully bent on using military power
> > > to force his will to grab land...from the Saar,Rhineland,Austria,
> > > Czech,and Poland. And why deny that his treatment of Jews was
> > > evil.
> > >
> > > I'm anti-war, so even if Hitler had valid points he should not
> > > have used military force. He had other avenues available.
> >
> >
> > Hitler was way less evil than Churchill, probably Stalin too.
>
> IMHO Hitler started the war...so he and his followers are responsible.
> Trying to prove they were really good guys, or not as bad as the
> Allies, is insanely futile...except for the white supremacists,
> skin-heads, and the like.
>
> i'm done with this topic
> ;-)

It's a poor argument to say someone started a conflict and so is
responsible for all that followed.

The more important question concerns the escalation of the earlier
incident ... which parties tried to subdue it and which escalated it.

Anyway, I'm curious ... by which incident did Hitler start the war?

The first declaration of war during the third reich was by world jewry
in March 1933. Those who escalated conflicts to a WW were organized
jewry.

[dino]

In article <56abc961$0$3249$c3e8da3$3388...@news.astraweb.com>, Kixi says...

>
>It's a poor argument to say someone started a conflict and so is
>responsible for all that followed.
>
>The more important question concerns the escalation of the earlier
>incident ... which parties tried to subdue it and which escalated it.
>
>Anyway, I'm curious ... by which incident did Hitler start the war?
>
>The first declaration of war during the third reich was by world jewry
>in March 1933. Those who escalated conflicts to a WW were organized
>jewry.

Well, the Doc said he was through with you, and the rest of us in AWV are not
into conspiracy theories. But, hey, you can keep trying, although you might do
better with The Fake Moon Landing Conspiracy. Did you see that flag wave up
there on the moon where there was no wind?

Or we could compromise. How about a photo of Hitler's face on the moon?

[︰ones]

On 29 Jan 2016 13:20:30 -0800, in alt.war.vietnam dino
<dino_...@newsguy.com> wrote:

> ... and the rest of us in AWV are not into conspiracy theories.

Actually, I am; I like conspiracy theories.

You do know that 9-11 never actually happened, don't you? It was all
filmed on a Hollywood sound stage.

Jones

[Kixi]

The Jewish Declaration of War on Nazi Germany
http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/jdecwar.html

[︰ones]

On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 13:13:26 -0500, in alt.war.vietnam meport
<w...@did.good> wrote:

>vinnie, baby!! You surprise me with statements like this.

Why's that? What's so special about *this* time?

Jones

[dino]

In article <56abe2a2$0$13060$b1db1813$19ac...@news.astraweb.com>, Kixi says...

"The Barnes Review is a bi-monthly magazine founded in 1994 by the Liberty
Lobby. The publication is dedicated to historical revisionism such as Holocaust
denial."
"The Southern Poverty Law Center has listed the Barnes Review as a hate group
for its white nationalist and Holocaust denial activities, and describes it as
'one of the most virulent anti-Semitic organizations around'"[

[dino]

In article <2eonab1a92vu22p8j...@4ax.com>, ︰ones says...

When that denier said 'jewry' I thought he said jewelry, and I got all excited
because I've been wanting to buy a something for my wife's birthday.

[StumpyVet]

spell chuckers aren't able to correct pid-gin, having gone to basic
training with a company comprised of mostly pineapples and texans. we
got along pretty good and the Lost Battalion was glad to see the Nisei
442nd Regimental Combat Team

[StumpyVet]

hard for me to recognize a boycott as an act of war...btw, the boycott
was in response to building anti-semitism in Germany.

[StumpyVet]

they're not Muslim either or Bahai or even Morman

[Kixi]

If the Jews' war on Germany was in response building anti-semitism,
what was the building anti-semitism in response to? ... or mustn't ask
that!!

[redv...@gmail.com]

Or something connected to the 'Magic bullet theory' - maybe it was a
nazi conspiracy?

redvet
http://www.vvawai.org/

[The Milk of Human Kindness]

On 29 Jan 2016 14:29:02 -0800, in alt.war.vietnam dino

<dino_...@newsguy.com> wrote:

>When that denier said 'jewry' I thought he said jewelry, and I got all excited
>because I've been wanting to buy a something for my wife's birthday.

The only time I have ever even heard the term used was in a "Rosanna
Rosana-Dana" skit on SNL back in the '70s.

Jones

[The Milk of Human Kindness]

On 29 Jan 2016 22:07:30 GMT, in alt.war.vietnam "Kixi"

<Kix...@hotmail.ca> wrote:

>The Jewish Declaration of War on Nazi Germany
>http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/jdecwar.html

That looks like something Pinkie would post under "What the GIs are
Reading"... 'cept it contains polysyllabic words. As nearly as I can
tell, the piece claims that a man named Samuel Untermyer, who was a
"New York City attorney", wrote the declaration of war... I guess; I
certainly don't intend to read the damn thing. (Although, I *did* read
six chapters of *Cannon Fodder*!)

I once wrote my resignation from the human race and published it.

Jones

[meport]

On 1/28/2016 11:33 AM, dino wrote:
> In article <56aa31c3$0$19899$c3e8da3$3a1a...@news.astraweb.com>, Kixi says...
>>
>> On 2016-01-28 at 05:37:20 meport wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/27/2016 2:02 PM, dino wrote:
>>>> In article <56a907d3$0$5901$b1db1813$796...@news.astraweb.com>,
>>>> Kixi says...

>>>> So, your conspiracy theory suggests the holocaust is a conspiracy
>>>> theory.
>>>>
>>> Just for historical reference, the deniers are correct they say that
>>> not one person was ever put in a gas chamber or cremated at
>>> Auschwitz. In fact the victims were marched through the fence that
>>> separated Auschwitz, the main camp that was the work camp where the
>>> prisoners were held as slaves labor, to Birkenau, the death camp next
>>> door where the gas chambers and crematorium's were located and that
>>> was set up for the purpose of killing. Auschwitz was a slave labor
>>> camp that worked the prisoners to death at the IG Farben plant that
>>> was next to the work camp. Birkenau was set up next to Auschwitz to
>>> kill people as they arrived.
>>>
>>> Just go to the historic site at Auschwitz and take the tour. It's
>>> quite an experience, one I never want to experience again.
>>
>> Never been there but someone who went came back claiming she had seen
>> gas chambers and it was quite an experience.
>>
>> Isn't the whole thing designed to fool you? Start with the entrance
>> sign. "Arbeit Macht Uns Frei" is not sinister ... but has been spun
>> that way.
>>
>> Piles of shoes and eye-glasses are offered as evidence of murder. They
>> are not. After the real holocaust at Dresden they collected shoes,
>> coats and jewelry - recylables ... the jewelry for ID purposes.
>>
>> I think what looked sinister to my eye-witness was the crematorium ...
>> yet that is evidence that corpses were disposed of properly - nothing
>> more. The "gas chamber" was the mortuary, an essential component in an
>> unpleasant necessity.
>>
>> They put all that together in a carefully delivered script to leave the
>> impression that this was a killing process.
>
> Conspiracy enablers fascinate me. First you recruit someone who is passionate
> about something, then you build on their passion, supplying them with 'evidence'
> that proves the conspiracy, while ignoring any contrary evidence. The recruit
> gets ensnared by hearing only one side of the story. Yes, it can actually sound
> plausible given enough time and restricting the information.
>
They also take facts like the one I enumerated about Auschwitz and
Berkenau. To say that not one person was ever gassed at Auschwitz is
historically correct. They weren't gassed at Auschwitz. A separate
camp next door was set up for that purpose. So when the deniers spread
their idiotic tripe they use examples like this, which deliberately
ignores the fact that Berkenau was next door to Auschwitz and was run by
a separate branch of the SS that killed people in gas chamber while
Auschwitz was run by the branch that ran camps that worked people to
death. To them these kind of facts make all the difference because they
never look at the whole picture, only the picture they want to see.

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[meport]

On 1/26/2016 3:38 PM, H. Bergman wrote:
> On 26 Jan 2016, Eric© <er...@nil.invalid.com> posted some
> news:MPG.31115021c...@reader.albasani.net:
>
I think I'll change my signature to read "Remember bible trumpeters
JESUS WAS A JEW AND EVERY ONE OF HIS RELATIVES AND FRIENDS AND
ASSOCIATES WERE JEWS" I think everyone should changer their signatures
to reflect this. This will put an end to the anti-Semitic BS going
around today.

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[StumpyVet]

as a cute lil jewish girl she would have a lot of 'jewry'

[Kixi]

There is no evidence that anyone was gassed at Auschwitz.

There is no evidence that anyone was gassed at Birkenau.

There is no evidence that anyone was gassed at "a separate camp next
door".

[Eris]

I do not understated the significance of how they died? Why is this important? Are you a Nazi sympathizer ? Antisemite?

[dino]

In article <56acd567$0$20013$c3e8da3$1cbc...@news.astraweb.com>, Kixi says...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vrba%E2%80%93Wetzler_report
"At present there are four crematoria in operation at BIRKENAU, two large ones,
I and II, and two smaller ones, III and IV. Those of type I and II consist of 3
parts, i.e.,: (A) the furnace room; (B) the large halls; and (C) the gas
chamber."
"Thus the total capacity of the four cremating and gassing plants at BIRKENAU
amounts to about 6,000 daily."
"Jean-Claude Pressac, a French specialist on the gas chambers, concluded in 1989
that, while the report was wrong about certain issues, it 'has the merit of
describing exactly the gassing process in type II/III Krematorien as from
mid-March 1943.'"
"Far from invalidating it, the discrepancies confirm its authenticity, as the
descriptions are clearly based on what the witnesses could actually have seen
and heard..."
"Auschwitz scholar Robert Jan van Pelt agreed, writing in 2002: 'The description
of the crematoria in the War Refugee Board report contains errors, but given the
conditions under which information was obtained, the lack of architectural
training of Vrba and Wetzlar [sic], and the situation in which the report was
compiled, one would become suspicious if it did not contain errors.'"

[Eric©]

dino wrote...

>
> In article <56acd567$0$20013$c3e8da3$1cbc...@news.astraweb.com>, Kixi says...
> >

> >There is no evidence that anyone was gassed at Auschwitz.
> >
> >There is no evidence that anyone was gassed at Birkenau.
> >
> >There is no evidence that anyone was gassed at "a separate camp next
> >door".
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vrba%E2%80%93Wetzler_report
> "At present there are four crematoria in operation at BIRKENAU, two large ones,
> I and II, and two smaller ones, III and IV. Those of type I and II consist of 3
> parts, i.e.,: (A) the furnace room; (B) the large halls; and (C) the gas
> chamber."
> "Thus the total capacity of the four cremating and gassing plants at BIRKENAU
> amounts to about 6,000 daily."
> "Jean-Claude Pressac, a French specialist on the gas chambers, concluded in 1989
> that, while the report was wrong about certain issues, it 'has the merit of
> describing exactly the gassing process in type II/III Krematorien as from
> mid-March 1943.'"
> "Far from invalidating it, the discrepancies confirm its authenticity, as the
> descriptions are clearly based on what the witnesses could actually have seen
> and heard..."
> "Auschwitz scholar Robert Jan van Pelt agreed, writing in 2002: 'The description
> of the crematoria in the War Refugee Board report contains errors, but given the
> conditions under which information was obtained, the lack of architectural
> training of Vrba and Wetzlar [sic], and the situation in which the report was
> compiled, one would become suspicious if it did not contain errors.'"

What Kixi meant is that if you discount all the evidence of something, you will find that
there's no evidence of something. Kixi ain't the brightest nazi in Bierhalle.

[Foulan]

In article <n8j9f...@drn.newsguy.com>

The existence of something does not imply or confirm use. All
you have is a bucket of highly questionable cirumstantial
evidence that has been tossed at barn after barn without
sticking. In essence, nothing but conjecture and bullshit.

[Kixi]

Wikipedia entries are jealously guarded by a funded Jewish
organization. If something appears that they don't like it is quickly
edited.

The Holocaust star witnes has been Rudolf Vrba until he was debunked.
He finally conceded that he had never seen any gassing or even gas
chamber but claims to have been told about them. So what Vrba says is
heresay and the quoted authors are expressing opinions on this heresay.
Van Pelt has receive huge fees for pro-Holocaust opinions.

"[Vrba} a Slovak Jew imprisoned at Auschwitz and at Birkenau, he said
that he had escaped from the camp in April 1944 with Fred Wetzler.
After getting back to Slovakia, he dictated a report about Auschwitz
and Birkenau, and on their crematories and "gas chambers."

With help from Jewish organizations in Slovakia, Hungary and
Switzerland, his report reached Washington, where it served as the
basis for the U.S. Government's famous "War Refugee Board Report,"
published in November 1944."
....
He has been featured in various films about Auschwitz, particularly
Shoah by Claude Lanzmann. Everything went well for him until the day at
the Zündel trial in 1985 when he was cross-examined mercilessly. He was
then shown to be an impostor. It was revealed that he had completely
made up the number and location of the "gas chambers" and the
crematories in his famous 1944 report.

His 1964 book opened with a purported January 1943 visit by Himmler to
Birkenau to inaugurate a new crematorium with "gas chamber." Actually,
the last visit by Himmler to Auschwitz took place in July of 1942, and
in January 1943 the first of the new crematories was still far from
finished.

Thanks, apparently, to some special gift of memory (that he called
"special mnemonic principles" or "special mnemonical method") and to a
real talent for being everywhere at once, Vrba had calculated that in
the space of 25 months (April 1942 to April 1944) the Germans had
"gassed" 1,765,000 Jews at Birkenau alone, including 150,000 Jews from
France. But in 1978, Serge Klarsfeld, in his Memorial to the
Deportation of the Jews from France, had been forced to conclude that,
for the entire length of the war, the Germans had deported a total of
75,721 Jews from France to all their concentration camps. The gravest
aspect of this is that the figure of 1,765,000 Jews "gassed" at
Birkenau had also been used in a document (L-022) at the main Nuremberg
trial.

Attacked on all sides by Zündel's lawyer, the impostor had no other
recourse than to invoke, in Latin, the "licentia poetarum," or "poetic
license," in other words, the right to engage in fiction."

Quotes above are from a revisionist author found here.
http://ihr.org/jhr/v08/v08p417_Faurisson.html