usenet filter
sf
Using v2x, is it possible to filter by NNTP-Posting-Host?
TIA
--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.
Sacha
>
> Using v2x, is it possible to filter by NNTP-Posting-Host?
>
> TIA
No. Now fuck off.
sf
Wonderful. You're such a support.
Rich Webb
>On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 18:34:44 +0000 (UTC), "Sacha"
><ju...@motherfucking.hughes> wrote:
>
>>sf wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Using v2x, is it possible to filter by NNTP-Posting-Host?
>>>
>>> TIA
>>
>>No. Now fuck off.
>
>Wonderful. You're such a support.
Well, look at the bright side: now you've got another entry for your
kill file. ;-)
*Generally* usenet clients, including Agent, only filter on the fields
that are presented by the servers in the overview dialog; typically
Subject, From, Date, and Lines. As far as I recall, Agent's filters are
limited to Subject and From.
If you want to implement deeper filtering, it is possible to do so by
running your own, local usenet server on the loopback IP
(127.0.0.1:119). The advantage is that in having the complete text of
subscribed groups, everything, including the message body and all header
fields, is available for filtering. The disadvantage, of course, is that
now you have the complete contents of the newsgroups taking up more
space on your drive.
You'll have to decide if it's worth the trouble to set one up and
dedicate the necessary space. Given the size of today's drives, the
space isn't too much of an issue if you're only considering text groups.
See http://improve-usenet.org/ for several examples of apps that can do
this. I run Hamster upstream of Agent to filter out various sockpuppets,
Chinese google-spammers, and the like. Works for me; other folks like
NFilter/NewsProxy and LeafNode.
--
Rich Webb Norfolk, VA
"june hughes"
> On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 18:34:44 +0000 (UTC), "Sacha"
> <ju...@motherfucking.hughes> wrote:
>
> > sf wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Using v2x, is it possible to filter by NNTP-Posting-Host?
> >>
> >> TIA
> >
> > No. Now fuck off.
>
> Wonderful. You're such a support.
Glad to be of help, cunt.
Ralph Fox
sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
> Using v2x, is it possible to filter by NNTP-Posting-Host?
>
> TIA
--
Regards
Ralph
Nicetameetya
crossposting troll calling itself "June Hughes" thought it was clever
by spewing forth a four letter word in reply to a legitimate question:
>sf wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 18:34:44 +0000 (UTC), a childish crossposting troll calling itself "Sacha"
>> <ju...@motherfucking.hughes>thought it was clever by spewing forth a four letter word in reply to a legitimate question :
>>
>> > sf wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Using v2x, is it possible to filter by NNTP-Posting-Host?
>> >>
>> >> TIA
Not in v2x, but in v5 you can apply the following filter:
Message-ID:{news\.alt\.net}
It's worth upgrading to be able killfile childish trolls who use
anonymous remailers like altopia.com.
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sf
<gd...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>It's worth upgrading to be able killfile childish trolls who use
>anonymous remailers like altopia.com.
Depending on the extended aggravation level, that's another
consideration for upgrade. I have "ignore subthread" firmly in the
Plus column argument for upgrading. :)
Ralph Fox
Nicetameetya <gd...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Not in v2x, but in v5 you can apply the following filter:
>
> Message-ID:{news\.alt\.net}
>
> It's worth upgrading to be able killfile childish trolls who use
> anonymous remailers like altopia.com.
And even in v4.0+ you can also
(1) use crosspost management to kill based on
the number of crossposted newsgroups;
(2) or, filter on the newsgroups header.
(*** These work when getting headers, but unfortunately not
when using "Apply Filters". ***)
--
Regards
Ralph
Lottery: (n) A tax on people who are bad at maths.
sf
wrote:
Thanks, I've considered using newsproxy in the past... but I'm not
*that* good. It's both intimidating and confusing to set up.
Nicetameetya
<usenet...@gawab.com> declared to all and sundry:
>Nicetameetya wrote:
>
>>It's worth upgrading to be able killfile childish trolls who use
>>anonymous remailers like altopia.com.
>
>Altopia is not a remailer.
You're right. But, unlike your provider and mine, Altopia takes no
responsibility for what their customers post, including off-topic,
abusive and or forgeries, etc. So they are perfect for anonymous
trolls like June/Sacha :
An excerpt from their About webpage:
https://www.altopia.com/about.html
In 1995 our founder created Altopia. After having been compelled to
censor a Usenet site in college, he decided to provide an uncensored
service. Many of our customers back then were from schools and
organizations which censored their Usenet service.
Since then we have worked hard to continue to be a source for
uncensored Usenet access. In addition to carrying any group requested,
we also try to push the limits on freedom of expression so that our
customers can type what they want, without worry. (This does not mean
we allow abuse of Usenet, such as flooding.) As a carrier, we protect
customer privacy to the maximum extent allowed by law while we
cooperate with law enforcement and copyright holders as required by
law.
An excerpt from their FAQ:
https://www.altopia.com/polfaq.html
Q: What is your policy on off-topic postings?
A: We do not have a policy against off-topic postings and we rely on
customers to operate in a way that they feel is appropriate for Usenet
and/or the groups they are participating in.
Q: What is your policy on a customer posting with a bogus return
address?
A: We feel customers have a right to decide whether to be anonymous or
not and so we do not have a problem with a customer posting with a
bogus return address. The news server software does require that a
return address be in Internet standard format, such as foo@bar, but
the address does not have to be real. We do require that customers
verify that the address they choose to use is not actually someone
else's valid address or domain. For example, b...@foo.com is actually a
valid email address, because foo.com is a registered domain.
Q: What is your policy on forgery?
A: We have a policy against a customer of Altopia making posts in a
way that uses the email address of another user on Usenet or the
Internet, in an attempt to deceive readers of the true identity of the
poster, without that email address owner's permission. In addition, if
you are the victim or witness to a forgery, you may want to contact
the appropriate law enforcement agency so they may then contact us and
follow-up as they feel appropriate.
Stephen Wolstenholme
<gd...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>[Default] On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:40:32 +0000 (UTC), G. Morgan
><usenet...@gawab.com> declared to all and sundry:
>
>>Nicetameetya wrote:
>>
>>>It's worth upgrading to be able killfile childish trolls who use
>>>anonymous remailers like altopia.com.
>>
>>Altopia is not a remailer.
>
>You're right. But, unlike your provider and mine, Altopia takes no
>responsibility for what their customers post, including off-topic,
>abusive and or forgeries, etc. So they are perfect for anonymous
>trolls like June/Sacha :
Please note that the messages supposable from June and Sacha are
really from a PITA faking peoples names.
Steve
Nicetameetya
<st...@tropheus.demon.co.uk> declared to all and sundry:
A PITA using an altopia.com server to post them and the following
filter works (in Agent v5) to block messages from posters using that
server:
Message-ID:{news\.alt\.net}
BTW - trolls in other ng's also use altopia.com to harass those ng's
and the filter works on them too. I've yet to see any genuine posters
using altopia.com, but the filter will zap them too.
Stephen Wolstenholme
<gd...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>[Default] On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 23:56:43 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme
><st...@tropheus.demon.co.uk> declared to all and sundry:
>
>>On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 09:59:55 +1200, Nicetameetya
>><gd...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>[Default] On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:40:32 +0000 (UTC), G. Morgan
>>><usenet...@gawab.com> declared to all and sundry:
>>>
>>>>Nicetameetya wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>It's worth upgrading to be able killfile childish trolls who use
>>>>>anonymous remailers like altopia.com.
>>>>
>>>>Altopia is not a remailer.
>>>
>>>You're right. But, unlike your provider and mine, Altopia takes no
>>>responsibility for what their customers post, including off-topic,
>>>abusive and or forgeries, etc. So they are perfect for anonymous
>>>trolls like June/Sacha :
>>
>>Please note that the messages supposable from June and Sacha are
>>really from a PITA faking peoples names.
>
>A PITA using an altopia.com server to post them and the following
>filter works (in Agent v5) to block messages from posters using that
>server:
>
>Message-ID:{news\.alt\.net}
>
>BTW - trolls in other ng's also use altopia.com to harass those ng's
>and the filter works on them too. I've yet to see any genuine posters
>using altopia.com, but the filter will zap them too.
I've had a global kill on altopia for as long as Agent has allowed
Message-ID: filters. I have seen a few messages with news.alt.net on
the path but not in the Message-ID. It would be nice if Agent could
filter on parts of the path.
Steve
--
Free neural network application www.justnn.com
Nicetameetya
<usenet...@gawab.com> declared to all and sundry:
>Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
>
>>It would be nice if Agent could
>>filter on parts of the path.
>
>
>No shit.
>
>I don't know why after all these years Agent still cannot filter on *any*
>header field.
>
>I resent having to kludge NewsProxy with Agent.
So do I. But I resent childish trolls like June/Sacha even more.
Loren Pechtel
>On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 09:40:22 +1200, Nicetameetya
><gd...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>>It's worth upgrading to be able killfile childish trolls who use
>>anonymous remailers like altopia.com.
>
>Depending on the extended aggravation level, that's another
>consideration for upgrade. I have "ignore subthread" firmly in the
>Plus column argument for upgrading. :)
You don't need 5 for that. I'm running 4.2 and have it--it was the
primary reason I upgraded.
Loren Pechtel
<usenet...@gawab.com> wrote:
>Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
>
>>It would be nice if Agent could
>>filter on parts of the path.
>
>
>No shit.
>
>I don't know why after all these years Agent still cannot filter on *any*
>header field.
>
>I resent having to kludge NewsProxy with Agent.
It should filter on the body also. Two filter stages, the first one
that works on what you get from the overview and avoids downloading,
the second that works after downloading and marks read/kills them.
Loren Pechtel
Why can't Agent incorporate such capability???
sf
wrote:
>
>On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 05:53:59 -0700, sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Thanks, I've considered using newsproxy in the past... but I'm not
>>*that* good. It's both intimidating and confusing to set up.
>
>It's not that difficult, just download it from
>http://improve-usenet.org/filters_ex2.html
>
>and extract it, then run newsproxy.exe
>Click Edit -> Configuration then select the Network tab.
>In the server name box type news.astraweb.com and click OK.
>
>Now click Edit -> Filters. Type * drop Message-ID:*googlegroups*
>Save it and Exit.
>
>In Agent (1.93 at least) Options -> User System Profile -> System
>replace the Server name with 127.0.0.1
>
>That's it, google group spam gone.
>Just remember to have Newsproxy running before you start Agent
>
>Best regards
>
>Tony
>
Thanks, Tony... you made it seem simple enough. I'll try to follow
your instructions. I'm assuming you gave me instructions for another
server. I use forte/easynews but I'm not looking for a way to block
google groups. I want to block specific posters who spoof regulars
and have figured out how to make only a name appear in the author
filter.
sf
If I upgrade, I might as well upgrade to the current version.
sf
Don't you think trolls wouldn't be a problem if Agent R&D concentrated
more on improving usenet access/filtering and less on other things?
sf
<drago...@NOTmindspring.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 01:18:39 +0000 (UTC), G. Morgan <usenet...@gawab.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
>>
>>>It would be nice if Agent could
>>>filter on parts of the path.
>>
>>
>>No shit.
>>
>>I don't know why after all these years Agent still cannot filter on *any*
>>header field.
>>
>>I resent having to kludge NewsProxy with Agent.
>You have not been listening. :/
>
>*All* headers do not exist UNTIL the message BODY has been COMPLETELY
>downloaded.
>
>So the /kludge/ is to ask the (non-standard in NNTP) server to do the
>filtering of the message list for you.
>
>It is sort of like trying to guess (without caller ID) who will call me
>tomorrow? The only way to find out is to answer the phone when it rings.
>I can't say, "That xyz Telemarketing about to ring my phone". I have to
>answer it (and hang up when I hear the dead line before a human comes on).
I really don't care how many headers or bodies have to be downloaded,
I'm not on dial up. Just give me the capability of filtering out the
trolls/spoofers and of course spam as needed.
Sacha Cupboard
Yeah, you did them you sicko.
Sacha Cupboard
<gd...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
FUCKIN' PMSL!
Sacha Cupboard
<gd...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>[Default] On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 23:56:43 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme
><st...@tropheus.demon.co.uk> declared to all and sundry:
>
>>On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 09:59:55 +1200, Nicetameetya
>><gd...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>[Default] On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:40:32 +0000 (UTC), G. Morgan
>>><usenet...@gawab.com> declared to all and sundry:
>>>
>>>>Nicetameetya wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>It's worth upgrading to be able killfile childish trolls who use
>>>>>anonymous remailers like altopia.com.
>>>>
>>>>Altopia is not a remailer.
>>>
>>>You're right. But, unlike your provider and mine, Altopia takes no
>>>responsibility for what their customers post, including off-topic,
>>>abusive and or forgeries, etc. So they are perfect for anonymous
>>>trolls like June/Sacha :
>>
>>Please note that the messages supposable from June and Sacha are
>>really from a PITA faking peoples names.
>
>A PITA using an altopia.com server to post them and the following
>filter works (in Agent v5) to block messages from posters using that
>server:
>
>Message-ID:{news\.alt\.net}
>
>BTW - trolls in other ng's also use altopia.com to harass those ng's
>and the filter works on them too. I've yet to see any genuine posters
>using altopia.com, but the filter will zap them too.
Wow you're a fucking hero. Can I suck your cock?
Sacha Cupboard
Fucking great idea.
Sacha Cupboard
<gd...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Right fuckin' cunts aren't they?
Sacha Cupboard
Fuckin' good idea, slappa.
Sacha Cupboard
I hope the fucking bastards listen!
Sacha Cupboard
>sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 18:34:44 +0000 (UTC), "Sacha"
>> <ju...@motherfucking.hughes> wrote:
>>
>> >sf wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Using v2x, is it possible to filter by NNTP-Posting-Host?
>> >>
>> >> TIA
>> >
>> >No. Now fuck off.
>>
>> Wonderful. You're such a support.
>
> It's teaching you to use your filter. I have this animal filtered long
>ago, or I didn't see it until you quote it.
Me too.
Christopher A. Lee
<usenet...@gawab.com> wrote:
>Marc Wilson wrote:
>
>>>I don't know why after all these years Agent still cannot filter on *any*
>>>header field.
>>
>>The standard answer always used to be "Mom's answer" - "you asked for
>>it, so eat it up", i.e. the message is already downloaded, so you've
>>burned the bandwidth. In these days of broadband, it doesn't really
>>follow, and it's inconsistent anyway: they don't apply the same logic to
>>email filtering.
>
>Exactly.
>
>I would propose a combination of the two. That is, filter on the fields
>available in "overview.fmt" first, then download remaining bodies and do
>post-filtering before it hits my eyeballs. If a freeware 232k executable
>(NewsProxy) can do this with almost no performance hit, surely the coders @
>Forte can rig something up.
There are some headers available without looking at the message, which
the original filtering on sender and subject uses.
Their newer filters on newgroup or message id seem to process while
they are retrieving the message which they then drop.
So there should be no reason why they can't do it on any header field,
or even on message text.
Nearly 20 years ago I used rn via telnet to a unix shell account,
which let me do all that. Before anything ever reached my PC.
I would rather not have to download many of the large binary
attachments before filtering them, when Agent could kill them on the
file name (which doesn't have to be in the subject).
Bandwidth may be cheap but it's not unlimited and these big ones take
time even on broadband.
>> If you want post-download filtering, register it on
>>the Fort� website as a suggestion: if enough of us do, they will
>>eventually take notice.
>
>I made that suggestion 6 months before v5 came out, all I got was MID
>filtering. :(
I would rather it got filtered before reaching the PC.
Stephen Wolstenholme
I find that proves very useful in getting rid of the rubbish from
people hiding behind altopia.com
Steve
--
Neural Planner Software Ltd www.NPSL1.com
Christopher A. Lee
wrote:
>>>> If you want post-download filtering, register it on
>>>>the Fort� website as a suggestion: if enough of us do, they will
>>>>eventually take notice.
>>>
>>>I made that suggestion 6 months before v5 came out, all I got was MID
>>>filtering. :(
>>
>>I would rather it got filtered before reaching the PC.
>
>So would I - but like Kruschev said: "If you can't get a bird of
>paradise, better accept a wet hen."
>
>*Where possible*, let's have pre-download filtering. Can't agree more.
>
>But this is not a perfect world, all news servers don't do the same
>things, so let's have a backup of post-download filtering. By all
>means, turn it off if you don't need it, or have doctrinal objections.
>But as far as I can see, Fort�'s refusal to do this is on dogmatic
>grounds.
I'm not asking for pre-download filtering.
Just during-download filtering.
Christopher A. Lee
wrote:
>In alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent, (Christopher A. Lee) wrote in
><so5e759nrr5iusldo...@4ax.com>::
>You *have* pre-download filtering.
The only filtering agent does is on contents of subject, sender,
newsgroups and message-id fields.
>>Just during-download filtering.
>
>During, after - whatever.
What is there to stop them scanning the article while it downloads and
tossing it?
Stephen Wolstenholme
<usenet...@gawab.com> wrote:
>Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
>
>>I find that proves very useful in getting rid of the rubbish from
>>people hiding behind altopia.com
>
>I don't block whole servers (except Google Groups when spam gets bad), talk
>about throwing the baby away with the bath water.
I only block servers on certain groups. Three of the groups I use a
lot are infected by a nym shifter using Altopia so the way to get rid
of him/her is by killing on the message ID news.alt.net
I just marked read at first to make sure there were no false
positives. None found.
>Besides, the same guy that runs Altopia also has been updating Newsproxy on
>his own time for free. Altopia is not an enemy of Usenet, in fact it is one
>of the very few services that still play by the 'old rules' (that's a good
>thing).
>
I have spent quite a lot of time searching for messages from Altopia
users that are worth reading. I have never found any.