southeasterly wind

[tonbei]

Is "southeasterly wind" blowing toward the southeast, or from the southeast?

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Saturday, October 10, 2015 at 6:32:20 PM UTC-4, tonbei wrote:

> Is "southeasterly wind" blowing toward the southeast, or from the southeast?

From.

[Mark Brader]

"Tonbei":

> Is "southeasterly wind" blowing toward the southeast, or from the southeast?

From the southeast.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto | "Perhaps I should have done the posting and sleeping
m...@vex.net | in the other order." --Peter Duncanson

[charles]

In article <e6eb2802-6606-4033...@googlegroups.com>, tonbei

<in...@trapeze7.com> wrote:
> Is "southeasterly wind" blowing toward the southeast, or from the
> southeast?

Think about the rhyme: The North wind shall blow and we shall have snow ...

The North Wind comes from the north.

--
Please note new email address:
cha...@CandEhope.me.uk

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

On 2015-10-11 06:12:22 +0000, charles said:

> In article <e6eb2802-6606-4033...@googlegroups.com>, tonbei
> <in...@trapeze7.com> wrote:
>> Is "southeasterly wind" blowing toward the southeast, or from the
>> southeast?
>
> Think about the rhyme: The North wind shall blow and we shall have snow ...
>
> The North Wind comes from the north.

That is right, but I must admit that throughout my childhood I had it
the other way round. I doubt that I was the only one.

--
athel

[Peter Duncanson [BrE]]

On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 07:12:22 +0100, charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk>
wrote:

>In article <e6eb2802-6606-4033...@googlegroups.com>, tonbei
><in...@trapeze7.com> wrote:
>> Is "southeasterly wind" blowing toward the southeast, or from the
>> southeast?
>
>Think about the rhyme: The North wind shall blow and we shall have snow ...
>

Not in the Southern Hemisphere.

>The North Wind comes from the north.

--

Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)

[RH Draney]

One of those utterly arbitrary conventions, like whether a "large-scale
map" is a larger map of the same territory, or a map of the same size
covering a larger area....

("Listen here, Tex, when these fellers draw, you take the one on the
left")....r

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Sunday, October 11, 2015 at 7:54:55 AM UTC-4, RH Draney wrote:

> One of those utterly arbitrary conventions, like whether a "large-scale
> map" is a larger map of the same territory, or a map of the same size
> covering a larger area....

Whereas it's actually a same-size map covering a smaller area ...

> ("Listen here, Tex, when these fellers draw, you take the one on the
> left")....r

That sounds like the beginning of a protracted dialogue about whose left
they're talking about -- Mel Brooks? Garrison Keillor?

[Anton Shepelev]

RH Draney:
[The north wind blows from the North]

> One of those utterly arbitrary conventions, like
> whether a "large-scale map" is a larger map of the
> same territory, or a map of the same size covering
> a larger area....

It is whence the wind blows, and not whither, that
determines its properties such as temperature and
humidity. As to scale, I find it logical to put the
real size in the denominator because that way small
scales correspond to smaller representations, as my
Soviet 1/43 car models are larger that my European
1/72 ones, originally made to accompany railroad
models. Similarly, 100:1 is a stronger zoom than
50:1.

--
() ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail
/\ http://preview.tinyurl.com/qcy6mjc [archived]

[Jerry Friedman]

On 10/11/15 12:12 AM, charles wrote:
> In article <e6eb2802-6606-4033...@googlegroups.com>, tonbei
> <in...@trapeze7.com> wrote:
>> Is "southeasterly wind" blowing toward the southeast, or from the
>> southeast?
>
> Think about the rhyme: The North wind shall blow and we shall have snow ...
>
> The North Wind comes from the north.

The question is whether "northerly wind" means the same thing as "north
wind".

Just for confusion (and STS):

"Blow the wind southerly, southerly, southerly,
Blow the wind south o'er the bonny blue sea."

So the meanings of both "south" and "southerly" are reversed when they
modify "blow" rather than "wind".

--
Jerry Friedman

[Horace LaBadie]

In article <mvdt0f$g0o$1...@news.albasani.net>,

A south wind blows from the south.
A southerly wind blows from the souther.

[Jerry Friedman]

Tell me another, brother.

--
Jerry Friedman

[Mike Barnes]

RH Draney wrote:
> On 10/11/2015 12:39 AM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>> On 2015-10-11 06:12:22 +0000, charles said:
>>
>>> In article <e6eb2802-6606-4033...@googlegroups.com>,
>>> tonbei
>>> <in...@trapeze7.com> wrote:
>>>> Is "southeasterly wind" blowing toward the southeast, or from the
>>>> southeast?
>>>
>>> Think about the rhyme: The North wind shall blow and we shall have
>>> snow ...
>>>
>>> The North Wind comes from the north.
>>
>> That is right, but I must admit that throughout my childhood I had it
>> the other way round. I doubt that I was the only one.
>
> One of those utterly arbitrary conventions,

Why bizarre? The nature of the wind relates to where it came from (e.g.
here: from the south-west = warm, from the north-east = cold).

> like whether a "large-scale
> map" is a larger map of the same territory, or a map of the same size
> covering a larger area....

Large-scale means simply a *large* *scale* (nothing arbitrary about that).

The scale is the ratio of the size of the representation to that which
it represents. It could mean a map of about the same size representing a
*smaller* area.

--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Sunday, October 11, 2015 at 1:13:50 PM UTC-4, Mike Barnes wrote:
> RH Draney wrote:
> > On 10/11/2015 12:39 AM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> >> On 2015-10-11 06:12:22 +0000, charles said:
> >>> In article <e6eb2802-6606-4033...@googlegroups.com>,
> >>> tonbei
> >>> <in...@trapeze7.com> wrote:

> >>>> Is "southeasterly wind" blowing toward the southeast, or from the
> >>>> southeast?
> >>> Think about the rhyme: The North wind shall blow and we shall have
> >>> snow ...
> >>> The North Wind comes from the north.
> >> That is right, but I must admit that throughout my childhood I had it
> >> the other way round. I doubt that I was the only one.
> > One of those utterly arbitrary conventions,
>
> Why bizarre? The nature of the wind relates to where it came from (e.g.
> here: from the south-west = warm, from the north-east = cold).

How did you get from "arbitrary" to "bizarre"?

[Peter Moylan]

On 2015-Oct-12 03:42, Mike Barnes wrote:
> RH Draney wrote:
>> On 10/11/2015 12:39 AM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>> On 2015-10-11 06:12:22 +0000, charles said:
>>>
>>>> In article <e6eb2802-6606-4033...@googlegroups.com>,
>>>> tonbei
>>>> <in...@trapeze7.com> wrote:
>>>>> Is "southeasterly wind" blowing toward the southeast, or from the
>>>>> southeast?
>>>>
>>>> Think about the rhyme: The North wind shall blow and we shall have
>>>> snow ...
>>>>
>>>> The North Wind comes from the north.
>>>
>>> That is right, but I must admit that throughout my childhood I had it
>>> the other way round. I doubt that I was the only one.
>>
>> One of those utterly arbitrary conventions,
>
> Why bizarre? The nature of the wind relates to where it came from (e.g.
> here: from the south-west = warm, from the north-east = cold).

When I was a child I fully understood that a north-bound wind came from
the south and blew towards the north. It took me a few more years to
understand that a north-bound wind was not called a north wind. Even
now, my mnemonic is "it's the opposite of the intuitive meaning".

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia

[Richard Yates]

I have had mnemonics like that one that work until they become
ingrained and replace the intuitive meaning and I then start getting
it wrong most of the time.

One I remember specifically was which way to turn the key on a
particular deadbolt lock that was not the usual way, but was the one I
encountered most often.

[Robert Bannister]

I knew the North Wind came from the north, but for a long time I thought
northerlies were blowing northwards.

--
Robert Bannister
Perth, Western Australia

[Robert Bannister]

On 12/10/2015 12:42 AM, Mike Barnes wrote:

> Why bizarre? The nature of the wind relates to where it came from (e.g.
> here: from the south-west = warm, from the north-east = cold).

It may seem logical to you, but to me what was important was which
direction the wind was blowing things in. The south-west wind blew
things north-east, which seemed weird to me when I was little.

[Robert Bannister]

On 11/10/2015 5:48 PM, Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 07:12:22 +0100, charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> In article <e6eb2802-6606-4033...@googlegroups.com>, tonbei
>> <in...@trapeze7.com> wrote:
>>> Is "southeasterly wind" blowing toward the southeast, or from the
>>> southeast?
>>
>> Think about the rhyme: The North wind shall blow and we shall have snow ...
>>
> Not in the Southern Hemisphere.

We don't get southerlies here in Perth, but when I lived on the south
coast, sometimes it seemed the wind had blown straight from the South Pole.

[Garrett Wollman]

In article <d80isb...@mid.individual.net>,

Robert Bannister <rob...@clubtelco.com> wrote:
>On 12/10/2015 12:42 AM, Mike Barnes wrote:
>
>> Why bizarre? The nature of the wind relates to where it came from (e.g.
>> here: from the south-west = warm, from the north-east = cold).
>
>It may seem logical to you, but to me what was important was which
>direction the wind was blowing things in.

That was certainly the sense my father cared about, when he did NBC
stuff in the Army Reserve.

-GAWollman

--
Garrett A. Wollman | What intellectual phenomenon can be older, or more oft
wol...@bimajority.org| repeated, than the story of a large research program
Opinions not shared by| that impaled itself upon a false central assumption
my employers. | accepted by all practitioners? - S.J. Gould, 1993

[Jerry Friedman]

On 10/11/15 9:28 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote:
> In article <d80isb...@mid.individual.net>,
> Robert Bannister <rob...@clubtelco.com> wrote:
>> On 12/10/2015 12:42 AM, Mike Barnes wrote:
>>
>>> Why bizarre? The nature of the wind relates to where it came from (e.g.
>>> here: from the south-west = warm, from the north-east = cold).
>>
>> It may seem logical to you, but to me what was important was which
>> direction the wind was blowing things in.
>
> That was certainly the sense my father cared about, when he did NBC
> stuff in the Army Reserve.

I have No Bloody Clue what NBC stands for there. So far I've eliminated
National Ballet of Canada and Naive Bayes Classifier. Wait--Nuclear,
Biological, and Chemical?

--
Jerry Friedman

[Tony Cooper]

Nuclear, Biological, Chemical appears to be correct: Google helps.

http://www.army.mil/article/147713/Chemical_company_first_Army_Reserve_unit_to_own_NBCRVs/

--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

[Mike Barnes]

Robert Bannister wrote:
> On 12/10/2015 12:42 AM, Mike Barnes wrote:
>
>> Why bizarre? The nature of the wind relates to where it came from (e.g.
>> here: from the south-west = warm, from the north-east = cold).
>
> It may seem logical to you, but to me what was important was which
> direction the wind was blowing things in.

In what way "important"? What to call it, or what effect it had on your
surroundings?

[Mike Barnes]

Peter Moylan wrote:
> When I was a child I fully understood that a north-bound wind came
> from the south and blew towards the north. It took me a few more
> years to understand that a north-bound wind was not called a north
> wind.

Did people around you really refer to a "north-bound wind"?

> Even now, my mnemonic is "it's the opposite of the intuitive
> meaning".

But your intuition may change, then you're stuffed. At first I found the
wind direction convention strange but all I had to do was to find out
*why*. That solution stands the test of time.

More generally, the mnemonic that says "do the opposite of what comes
naturally" is A Really Bad Idea. I'm pleased if yours works for you, though.


It was only when I came to install a weather vane (there's a clue in the
name) that I realised that the NSEW markers are "correct" and the vane
is designed to point in the opposite direction to the movement of air.
Alternatively it would have been possible for the vane to point in the
same direction as the air movement (which seems more logical) but then
the NSEW markers would be "wrong".

[Cheryl]

We get the wind the rhyme was based on here - except it sometimes didn't
get snow, those systems coming from the east or southeast often brought
snow, but wind coming from the north, over all that expanse of icy
waters and sometimes actual ice, cuts you to the bone.

--
Cheryl

[Peter Duncanson [BrE]]

On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 22:10:22 -0600, Jerry Friedman
<jerry_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:

I worked on an NBC: Navigation and Bombing Computer. It was part of NBS:
Navigation and Bombing System.

[Whiskers]

Where is the wind from?

Must be northerly, it's jolly cold.

Where is it blowing to?

Up my trousers and down my neck.

Where it's from determines the effect the wind is likely to have
locally. Where it's from will have some influence on its smell or
heat or the dust or weather it brings; those give you some idea of the
direction from which it is blowing. Nothing about the smell or feel of
the wind can tell you where it is going - even if that's what you really
want to know eg if you plan to sail a boat or fly a balloon. So it's
practical to identify the wind by its origin.

--
-- ^^^^^^^^^^
-- Whiskers
-- ~~~~~~~~~~

[David Kleinecke]

Back in my Atomic Energy Commission Days we said ABC - Atomic ...

NBC seems to be an evolved (or obfuscated) version.

[Robert Bannister]

On 12/10/2015 9:26 PM, Whiskers wrote:

> Where is the wind from?
>
> Must be northerly, it's jolly cold.

'Scuse me, but northerly winds are unpleasantly hot, though not as bad
as the easterlies that prevail most of the summer. It all depends where
you are, which way the wind blows, where it's come from and where it's
going next.
--
Robert Bannister
Ready for a draught.

[Robert Bannister]

Well, I could see where things where being blown to. Living in a city, I
couldn't as a little boy perceive anything about the wind to tell me
where it had come from.

'Frankincense - does that mean Oman or the local church?'
'Distinct smell of polar bear - must be a Zoo Wind.'

[Charles Bishop]

In article <mvdt0f$g0o$1...@news.albasani.net>,
Jerry Friedman <jerry_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Can we do "onshore" and "offshore"

--
charles

[Charles Bishop]

In article <d7vjm8...@mid.individual.net>,

I once had a 1:1 map but had no place to keep it.

--
charles, and just try unfolding it.

[Charles Bishop]

In article <f56dnd5SXZmlPITL...@vex.net>,
m...@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote:

> "Tonbei":

> > Is "southeasterly wind" blowing toward the southeast, or from the southeast?
>

> From the southeast.

What about a wayward wind?

charles, next of kin

[James Hogg]

Do you mind if I field that question?

--
James

[Mike Barnes]

Robert Bannister wrote:
> On 12/10/2015 3:01 PM, Mike Barnes wrote:
>> Robert Bannister wrote:
>>> On 12/10/2015 12:42 AM, Mike Barnes wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why bizarre? The nature of the wind relates to where it came from (e.g.
>>>> here: from the south-west = warm, from the north-east = cold).
>>>
>>> It may seem logical to you, but to me what was important was which
>>> direction the wind was blowing things in.
>>
>> In what way "important"? What to call it, or what effect it had on your
>> surroundings?
>>
> Well, I could see where things where being blown to. Living in a city, I
> couldn't as a little boy perceive anything about the wind to tell me
> where it had come from.

Thanks. I can understand that awareness, but it seems odd for that
little boy to have attached any great importance to which *compass
point* things were being blown to.

[Jerry Friedman]

Sure. Both onshore and offshore winds only occur near the shore,
which we don't have in New Mexico. I hope that clears everything up.

--
Jerry Friedman

[Whiskers]

On 2015-10-13, Robert Bannister <rob...@clubtelco.com> wrote:
> On 12/10/2015 9:26 PM, Whiskers wrote:
>
>> Where is the wind from?
>>
>> Must be northerly, it's jolly cold.
>
> 'Scuse me, but northerly winds are unpleasantly hot, though not as bad
> as the easterlies that prevail most of the summer. It all depends where
> you are, which way the wind blows, where it's come from and where it's
> going next.

Exactly.

Knowing whether you're standing north or south of the equator is
something you need to work out before doing any navigation or
meteorology.

[Robert Bannister]

That must be very difficult if you close to the equator. Perhaps that's
the main reason we weren't overrun by Equatorials early on.

[Peter Moylan]

On 2015-Oct-12 18:13, Mike Barnes wrote:
> Peter Moylan wrote:
>> When I was a child I fully understood that a north-bound wind came
>> from the south and blew towards the north. It took me a few more
>> years to understand that a north-bound wind was not called a north
>> wind.
>
> Did people around you really refer to a "north-bound wind"?

No, but I could feel which way it was blowing.

"Is this the Sydney train?" is asking whether it is the train *to*
Sydney. Perhaps it's different in Chattanooga.

[Peter Moylan]

More than the equator is involved. For me, but obviously not for Robert,
a wind from the east is a cooling sea breeze.

[Snidely]

On Thursday, Peter Moylan pointed out that ...

> On 2015-Oct-12 18:13, Mike Barnes wrote:
>> Peter Moylan wrote:
>>> When I was a child I fully understood that a north-bound wind came
>>> from the south and blew towards the north. It took me a few more
>>> years to understand that a north-bound wind was not called a north
>>> wind.
>>
>> Did people around you really refer to a "north-bound wind"?
>
> No, but I could feel which way it was blowing.
>
> "Is this the Sydney train?" is asking whether it is the train *to*
> Sydney. Perhaps it's different in Chattanooga.

Doesn't that depend on whether you're dropping off or picking up?

Wikip says the Chattanooga Choo-Choo was really the /Birmingham
Special/ (PRR and SR), and was stopping in town from 1932-1970. The
station is now a hotel.

/dps "Earlier connections had included Cincinnati"

--
"This is all very fine, but let us not be carried away be excitement,
but ask calmly, how does this person feel about in in his cooler
moments next day, with six or seven thousand feet of snow and stuff on
top of him?"
_Roughing It_, Mark Twain.

[Whiskers]

They were too busy building pyramids and quizzing with sphinxes, or
something.

[Peter Moylan]

Well, there was the side trip that Noah made to pick up the marsupials.

I wonder whether he guessed, while picking up a pair of dodos, that they
would eventually be wiped out anyway.

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

The icy waters and sometimes actual ice are not really necessary for a
north wind to cut you to the bone. When the Mistral arrives here in
force it has mainly blown along the Rhône valley, which is rarely
frozen, but it's still very cold. The fact that it is usually
accompanied by bright sunshine and clear blue skies doesn't make it
feel any warmer. The Scirocco, on the other hand, comes from the south
and is very warm and humid, and sometimes brings muddy rain with it.


--
athel

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

While we're at it let's do sinister and dexter in heraldry, which are
named from the point of view of the person holding the shield, whereas
for modern people it seems more natural to think of looking at the side
of the shield facing the assailant, so "dexter" means left, and
"sinister" means right.


--
athel

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

No lakes in New Mexico? (Admittedly, though, I can't see anything in
Google Maps that looks like ake.)


--
athel

[Whiskers]

Beats me how any tasty critturs survived the time on The Ark if they
were only in pairs.

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

On 2015-10-15 17:18:30 +0000, Athel Cornish-Bowden said:

> On 2015-10-13 17:57:48 +0000, Jerry Friedman said:
>

>> [ … ]

>> Sure. Both onshore and offshore winds only occur near the shore,
>> which we don't have in New Mexico. I hope that clears everything up.
>
> No lakes in New Mexico? (Admittedly, though, I can't see anything in
> Google Maps that looks like ake.)

Google Maps wasn't the right place to look. Googling for images of
"Lake New Mexico" (without quotation marks) produces some beautiful
examples.


--
athel

[Jerry Friedman]

On Thursday, October 15, 2015 at 11:23:19 AM UTC-6, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2015-10-15 17:18:30 +0000, Athel Cornish-Bowden said:
>
> > On 2015-10-13 17:57:48 +0000, Jerry Friedman said:
> >

> >> [ ... ]

>
> >> Sure. Both onshore and offshore winds only occur near the shore,
> >> which we don't have in New Mexico. I hope that clears everything up.
> >
> > No lakes in New Mexico? (Admittedly, though, I can't see anything in
> > Google Maps that looks like ake.)
>
> Google Maps wasn't the right place to look. Googling for images of
> "Lake New Mexico" (without quotation marks) produces some beautiful
> examples.

It might depend on your definition of "lake". Those are mostly artificial.
I learned recently that the biggest natural lake in New Mexico, Stinking
Lake (less romantically named Burford Lake), has gone dry. The reservoirs
do have shores, though.

Anyway, we don't have any bodies of water big enough for the wind to be
different on different shores, so every wind is both offshore and onshore.

--
Jerry Friedman

[Peter T. Daniels]

Fundies have explored that problem in excruciating detail.

[Joy Beeson]

On 15 Oct 2015 17:19:07 GMT, Whiskers <catwh...@operamail.com>
wrote:

> Beats me how any tasty critturs survived the time on The Ark if they
> were only in pairs.

If I recall correctly, the tasty ones were in groups of seven.


--
Joy Beeson, U.S.A., mostly central Hoosier,
some Northern Indiana, Upstate New York, Florida, and Hawaii
joy beeson at comcast dot net http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/
The above message is a Usenet post.
I don't recall having given anyone permission to use it on a Web site.

[Robert Bannister]

Which is why you should never let a wind into your house until you know
where it's been.

[Bertel Lund Hansen]

Robert Bannister skrev:

> Which is why you should never let a wind into your house until
> you know where it's been.

Sometimes you shouldn't even let a wind lose even if you know
where it has been.

--
Bertel, Kolt, Denmark

[Richard Tobin]

In article <cqp02b10rd0lto04m...@4ax.com>,

Joy Beeson <jbe...@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:

>> Beats me how any tasty critturs survived the time on The Ark if they
>> were only in pairs.

>If I recall correctly, the tasty ones were in groups of seven.

Genesis has two contradictory statements. 6:19 says one pair of every
living thing. 7:2 says seven pairs of "clean" animals, and one pair
of "not clean".

This is commonly thought to be the result of combining two accounts.
One account has seven pairs so that they could be used for sacrifices.
The other ("priestly") account knows that God had not yet told men
about sacrifices and "cleanliness" at the time of the flood.

-- Richard

[Peter Moylan]

In any case, using the seven pairs for sacrifices still means that the
carnivores have to go hungry.

[Robert Bannister]

On 16/10/2015 3:32 PM, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> Robert Bannister skrev:
>
>> Which is why you should never let a wind into your house until
>> you know where it's been.
>
> Sometimes you shouldn't even let a wind lose even if you know
> where it has been.
>

Ouch. I think you meant "loose".