Soda, pop etc. [again]

[Oliver Cromm]

After 13 years in this city, I learned in the newspaper that the
usual local name in English for the thing in the subject, which
some here recently claimed is not properly described by "fizzy
drink", is "soft drink". Never knew that.

<http://montrealgazette.com/opinion/columnists/watchwords-english-usage-in-gaspe-has-some-distinct-differences>

| Let’s start with pizza. English-speakers in the Gaspé follow the
| Montreal model — they munch it “all-dressed.” They also say
| “dépanneur” instead of “corner store” or “convenience store.”
| But in many other respects, their version of English differs
| from what’s spoken in Montreal. Stopping at a dépanneur to buy
| a beverage to wash down their all-dressed pizza, it’s only
| older Gaspesians who purchase a “soft drink,” as Montrealers
| overwhelmingly would — young and middle-aged people in the
| region buy “pop.” And if the result is delicious, many
| Gaspesians won’t praise it as “very good” — like the residents
| of Atlantic Canada, they’ll say it’s “some good.”

--
Smith & Wesson--the original point and click interface

[Richard Tobin]

In article <nkvkijs3jwbz$.d...@mid.crommatograph.info>,

Oliver Cromm <lispa...@crommatograph.info> wrote:

>After 13 years in this city, I learned in the newspaper that the
>usual local name in English for the thing in the subject, which
>some here recently claimed is not properly described by "fizzy
>drink", is "soft drink". Never knew that.

But some soft drinks are not fizzy, so they can't be synonymous.

-- Richard

[Tony Cooper]

Carbonated soft drinks are the ones that are fizzy.


--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

[Charles Bishop]

In article <nkvkijs3jwbz$.d...@mid.crommatograph.info>,
Oliver Cromm <lispa...@crommatograph.info> wrote:

> After 13 years in this city, I learned in the newspaper that the
> usual local name in English for the thing in the subject, which
> some here recently claimed is not properly described by "fizzy
> drink", is "soft drink". Never knew that.
>
> <http://montrealgazette.com/opinion/columnists/watchwords-english-usage-in-gas
> pe-has-some-distinct-differences>

I think it's on the soda/pop/coke map of the US as well. I've used it
I'm sure, and have heard it used, but wouldn't now because I use one of
the other words.

I've also used "fizzy water" for 2¢ plain.
>
[snip other words]

--
charles

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Wednesday, December 2, 2015 at 7:22:09 PM UTC-5, Oliver Cromm wrote:
> After 13 years in this city, I learned in the newspaper that the
> usual local name in English for the thing in the subject, which
> some here recently claimed is not properly described by "fizzy
> drink", is "soft drink". Never knew that.

It is properly described as "fizzy drink" _elsewhere than in the USA_.

"Soft drink" here is a technical term, perhaps relating to the wholesale
trade like "brassiere" and "washbasin."

> <http://montrealgazette.com/opinion/columnists/watchwords-english-usage-in-gaspe-has-some-distinct-differences>
>
> | Let's start with pizza. English-speakers in the Gaspé follow the

> | Montreal model -- they munch it "all-dressed." They also say

> | "dépanneur" instead of "corner store" or "convenience store."
> | But in many other respects, their version of English differs
> | from what's spoken in Montreal. Stopping at a dépanneur to buy
> | a beverage to wash down their all-dressed pizza, it's only
> | older Gaspesians who purchase a "soft drink," as Montrealers

> | overwhelmingly would -- young and middle-aged people in the

> | region buy "pop." And if the result is delicious, many

> | Gaspesians won't praise it as "very good" -- like the residents

[Peter T. Daniels]

Not in the US, they're not. (Unfizzy.)

[Steve Hayes]

In SAfE they are called "cold drinks", though in my youth they used to
be called "minerals".

Though when a traffic cop stops you and starts talking about a "cold
drink" you know he's soliciting a bribe.


--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

[Steve Hayes]

On Wed, 2 Dec 2015 20:43:30 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"
<gram...@verizon.net> wrote:

>On Wednesday, December 2, 2015 at 7:22:09 PM UTC-5, Oliver Cromm wrote:
>> After 13 years in this city, I learned in the newspaper that the
>> usual local name in English for the thing in the subject, which
>> some here recently claimed is not properly described by "fizzy
>> drink", is "soft drink". Never knew that.
>
>It is properly described as "fizzy drink" _elsewhere than in the USA_.
>
>"Soft drink" here is a technical term, perhaps relating to the wholesale
>trade like "brassiere" and "washbasin."

"Soft drink" here is one that contains no alcohol.

[Peter Duncanson [BrE]]

On Thu, 03 Dec 2015 07:39:16 +0200, Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net>
wrote:

>On Wed, 2 Dec 2015 20:43:30 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"
><gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>On Wednesday, December 2, 2015 at 7:22:09 PM UTC-5, Oliver Cromm wrote:
>>> After 13 years in this city, I learned in the newspaper that the
>>> usual local name in English for the thing in the subject, which
>>> some here recently claimed is not properly described by "fizzy
>>> drink", is "soft drink". Never knew that.
>>
>>It is properly described as "fizzy drink" _elsewhere than in the USA_.
>>
>>"Soft drink" here is a technical term, perhaps relating to the wholesale
>>trade like "brassiere" and "washbasin."
>
>"Soft drink" here is one that contains no alcohol.

That is also the case in BrE.

This is an AmE definition:
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/american_english/soft-drink?q=soft+drink

soft drink

noun
A nonalcoholic drink, especially one that is carbonated.

The American Heritage Dictionary says:
https://www.ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=soft%20drink

soft drink

n.
1. A nonalcoholic, flavored, carbonated beverage, usually
commercially prepared and sold in bottles or cans.
2. A serving of this beverage. In both senses also called soda pop;
also called regionally cold drink, drink, pop1, soda, soda water,
tonic.

This gives both AmE and BrE definitions:
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/soft-drink?a=british

BrE: a cold, usually sweet, drink that does not contain alcohol

AmE: a drink, usually flavored, that does not contain alcohol

The British Soft Drinks Association says:
http://www.britishsoftdrinks.com/Soft-Drinks

The main categories of soft drink products are carbonates, fruit
juices, dilutables, still and juice drinks and bottled waters.

Those are all non-alcoholic.

"dilutables" seems to be a term of art. The term used on labels and in
advertising is "concentrate(d)".

--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)

[Whiskers]

On 2015-12-03, Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Dec 2015 20:43:30 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"
> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>On Wednesday, December 2, 2015 at 7:22:09 PM UTC-5, Oliver Cromm wrote:
>>> After 13 years in this city, I learned in the newspaper that the
>>> usual local name in English for the thing in the subject, which
>>> some here recently claimed is not properly described by "fizzy
>>> drink", is "soft drink". Never knew that.
>>
>>It is properly described as "fizzy drink" _elsewhere than in the USA_.
>>
>>"Soft drink" here is a technical term, perhaps relating to the wholesale
>>trade like "brassiere" and "washbasin."
>
> "Soft drink" here is one that contains no alcohol.

Likewise in the UK. The description includes both fizzy and non fizzy
beverages, usually cold (or at least not hot) although hot drinks may be
available too. Shops and eating-places need a special licence to sell
anything with alcohol in it.

We sometimes see 'minerals' or 'mineral waters' used to mean (non
alcoholic) 'fizzy drinks' including those which are not just water.
This is confusing as 'mineral water' also means 'water from a spring
(possibly with claimed health benefits or miraculous powers)'.

--
-- ^^^^^^^^^^
-- Whiskers
-- ~~~~~~~~~~

[bert]

On Thursday, 3 December 2015 12:02:00 UTC, Whiskers Catwheezel wrote:

> On 2015-12-03, Steve Hayes <hay...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> > "Soft drink" here is one that contains no alcohol.
> Likewise in the UK. The description includes both fizzy and non fizzy

> beverages, usually cold . . .

Around Glasgow, the generic term for carbonated drinks
of all flavours is "ginger", optionally preceded by the
actual flavour; e.g. "lime ginger", "cherry ginger", or
the surprisingly non-tautological "ginger ginger".
--

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 7:02:00 AM UTC-5, Whiskers Catwheezel wrote:

> We sometimes see 'minerals' or 'mineral waters' used to mean (non
> alcoholic) 'fizzy drinks' including those which are not just water.
> This is confusing as 'mineral water' also means 'water from a spring
> (possibly with claimed health benefits or miraculous powers)'.

The lah-di-dah expression is now "May I get you a water?" and assent yields
the further "Sparkling or still?" Though that was the conversation at several
restaurants in Munich last year.

Both would be referring to "mineral water," which seems to be water direct
[not directly] from the ground with the gunk left in (at Saratoga Springs
50 years ago, the rather old hotel had taps in the bathtub for both regular
water, i.e. the potable kind, and water from the eponymous springs, suitable
only for therapeutic bathing).

[Peter T. Daniels]

"Ginger" also refers to a red-headed person Over There.

[charles]

In article <e9a42edc-4ded-4b09...@googlegroups.com>, Peter

T. Daniels <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 7:02:00 AM UTC-5, Whiskers Catwheezel
> wrote:

> > We sometimes see 'minerals' or 'mineral waters' used to mean (non
> > alcoholic) 'fizzy drinks' including those which are not just water.
> > This is confusing as 'mineral water' also means 'water from a spring
> > (possibly with claimed health benefits or miraculous powers)'.

> The lah-di-dah expression is now "May I get you a water?" and assent
> yields the further "Sparkling or still?"

I prefer the "Flat" or "Bumpy" as shown on a café somewhere near here.

> Though that was the
> conversation at several restaurants in Munich last year.

> Both would be referring to "mineral water," which seems to be water
> direct [not directly] from the ground with the gunk left in (at Saratoga
> Springs 50 years ago, the rather old hotel had taps in the bathtub for
> both regular water, i.e. the potable kind, and water from the eponymous
> springs, suitable only for therapeutic bathing).

You wouldn't want to drink the water from Bath, either

--
Please note new email address:
cha...@CandEhope.me.uk

[GordonD]

Leading to the joke about the Glaswegian in a restaurant who orders
melon as a starter. The waiter asks him if he would like ginger with
it, to which he replies, "Naw, I'm going to have some wine."

In Edinburgh such drinks are known as "juice", as opposed to "fruit
juice" which is the stuff you get when you squeeze an orange.
--
Gordon Davie
Edinburgh, Scotland

[Richard Tobin]

In article <dcatoi...@mid.individual.net>,

GordonD <g.d...@btinternet.com> wrote:

>In Edinburgh such drinks are known as "juice", as opposed to "fruit
>juice" which is the stuff you get when you squeeze an orange.

And you may need to specify "fresh orange juice" to get it.

-- Richard

[Richard Tobin]

In article <552c327d...@candehope.me.uk>,

charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

>You wouldn't want to drink the water from Bath, either

I recall doing so on a school trip. It was unpleasant, but less
so than Irn Bru.

-- Richard

[Adam Funk]

The water fountain at Baden-Baden has a warning on it advising you not
to drink more than a certain amount in a day because of the high
sodium content.


--
Ambassador Trentino: "I am willing to do anything to prevent this
war."
President Firefly: "It's too late. I've already paid a month's
rent on the battlefield." _Duck Soup_

[Whiskers]

On 2015-12-03, Peter T. Daniels <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 7:02:00 AM UTC-5, Whiskers Catwheezel wrote:
>
>> We sometimes see 'minerals' or 'mineral waters' used to mean (non
>> alcoholic) 'fizzy drinks' including those which are not just water.
>> This is confusing as 'mineral water' also means 'water from a spring
>> (possibly with claimed health benefits or miraculous powers)'.
>
> The lah-di-dah expression is now "May I get you a water?" and assent yields
> the further "Sparkling or still?" Though that was the conversation at several
> restaurants in Munich last year.

UK customers are now legally empowered to ask for tap water.

> Both would be referring to "mineral water," which seems to be water direct
> [not directly] from the ground with the gunk left in (at Saratoga Springs
> 50 years ago, the rather old hotel had taps in the bathtub for both regular
> water, i.e. the potable kind, and water from the eponymous springs, suitable
> only for therapeutic bathing).

I think 'natural spring water' can be 'filtered' or 'purified' for
drinking in the EU. But water taken from the public piped supply and
then bottled (with or without any treatment) can't be sold as 'natural'
or 'mineral' or 'spring'.

[Whiskers]

I think it is still offered for medicinal drinking.

[Janet]

In article <eeb16f90-26bf-4f6a...@googlegroups.com>,
gram...@verizon.net says...

Ginger is also rhyming slang for queer/homosexual

Janet

[Adam Funk]

On 2015-12-03, Whiskers wrote:

> On 2015-12-03, Peter T. Daniels <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 7:02:00 AM UTC-5, Whiskers Catwheezel wrote:
>>
>>> We sometimes see 'minerals' or 'mineral waters' used to mean (non
>>> alcoholic) 'fizzy drinks' including those which are not just water.
>>> This is confusing as 'mineral water' also means 'water from a spring
>>> (possibly with claimed health benefits or miraculous powers)'.
>>
>> The lah-di-dah expression is now "May I get you a water?" and assent yields
>> the further "Sparkling or still?" Though that was the conversation at several
>> restaurants in Munich last year.
>
> UK customers are now legally empowered to ask for tap water.

I think that only applies to "licensed premises" (i.e., the ones that
sell alcohol).


--
The love of money as a possession ... will be recognised for what it
is, a somewhat disgusting morbidity, one of those semi-criminal,
semi-pathological propensities which one hands over with a shudder to
the specialists in mental disease. --- J M Keynes

[Peter Duncanson [BrE]]

And sometimes in EngE "a ginger" is jocularly spoken with both "g"s hard
when meaning "a red-head".

[Charles Bishop]

In article <slrnn60i2q.1...@ID-107770.user.individual.net>,

Whiskers <catwh...@operamail.com> wrote:

> On 2015-12-03, Peter T. Daniels <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 7:02:00 AM UTC-5, Whiskers Catwheezel
> > wrote:
> >
> >> We sometimes see 'minerals' or 'mineral waters' used to mean (non
> >> alcoholic) 'fizzy drinks' including those which are not just water.
> >> This is confusing as 'mineral water' also means 'water from a spring
> >> (possibly with claimed health benefits or miraculous powers)'.
> >
> > The lah-di-dah expression is now "May I get you a water?" and assent yields
> > the further "Sparkling or still?" Though that was the conversation at
> > several
> > restaurants in Munich last year.
>
> UK customers are now legally empowered to ask for tap water.

Was it different before? Here tap water was what was routinely served,
until bottled water was seen as chic, water such as Evian. It's been
complicated here (CA) with the advent of a drought and we have to ask
for water rather than being given a glass when we sit down.

In Mexico as I recall, it was "con gas" or "sin gas" for no bubble and
with bubbles. Chile, too.

[snip mineral water]

--
charles

[Reinhold {Rey} Aman]

Charles Bishop wrote:
>
> In Mexico as I recall, it was "con gas" or "sin gas" for no bubble
> and with bubbles.
>

Better: ... "sin gas" or "con gas" ...

--
~~~ Reinhold {Rey} Aman ~~~

[Oliver Cromm]

* Peter T. Daniels:

> On Wednesday, December 2, 2015 at 7:22:09 PM UTC-5, Oliver Cromm wrote:
>> After 13 years in this city, I learned in the newspaper that the
>> usual local name in English for the thing in the subject, which
>> some here recently claimed is not properly described by "fizzy
>> drink", is "soft drink". Never knew that.
>
> It is properly described as "fizzy drink" _elsewhere than in the USA_.
>
> "Soft drink" here is a technical term, perhaps relating to the wholesale
> trade like "brassiere" and "washbasin."

I believe that technical term is valid beyond the US, but the
homonymous everyday term does coexist, with a narrower definition.

--
... man muss oft schon Wissenschaft infrage stellen bei den Wirt-
schaftsmenschen [...] das Denken wird häufig blockiert von einem
ideologischen Ãœberbau [...] Es ist halt in vielen Teilen eher
eine Religion als eine Wissenschaft. -- Heiner Flassbeck

[Peter T. Daniels]

What's the rhyme? Ginger root?

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 11:48:51 AM UTC-5, Charles Bishop wrote:
> In article <slrnn60i2q.1...@ID-107770.user.individual.net>,
> Whiskers <catwh...@operamail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 2015-12-03, Peter T. Daniels <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > > On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 7:02:00 AM UTC-5, Whiskers Catwheezel
> > > wrote:

> > >> We sometimes see 'minerals' or 'mineral waters' used to mean (non
> > >> alcoholic) 'fizzy drinks' including those which are not just water.
> > >> This is confusing as 'mineral water' also means 'water from a spring
> > >> (possibly with claimed health benefits or miraculous powers)'.
> > > The lah-di-dah expression is now "May I get you a water?" and assent yields
> > > the further "Sparkling or still?" Though that was the conversation at
> > > several
> > > restaurants in Munich last year.
> > UK customers are now legally empowered to ask for tap water.
>
> Was it different before? Here tap water was what was routinely served,
> until bottled water was seen as chic, water such as Evian. It's been
> complicated here (CA) with the advent of a drought and we have to ask
> for water rather than being given a glass when we sit down.

That happened in NYC in 1965. And then when the water emergency was over,
many restaurants didn't go back to the automatic glass for a long time,
if ever.

> In Mexico as I recall, it was "con gas" or "sin gas" for no bubble and
> with bubbles. Chile, too.

Also in Munich -- "Mit oder ohne Gas?" -- in the less upscale spots that
might not be so eager to try out their English.

[Peter T. Daniels]

Talk about eponymy!

How about at Spa or Baden Baden?

[Richard Tobin]

In article <ddf876ea-a0fc-469a...@googlegroups.com>,

Peter T. Daniels <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:

>> Ginger is also rhyming slang for queer/homosexual

>What's the rhyme? Ginger root?

Ginger beer. It's presumably what the Glaswegian "ginger" for
a fizzy drink refers to.

-- Richard

[Reinhold {Rey} Aman]

Linguistician PeteY Daniels wrote:

>
> Janet wrote:
>>
>> Ginger is also rhyming slang for queer/homosexual
>
> What's the rhyme? Ginger root?
>

Jesus! Beer : queer.

[charles]

In article <831dd111-1cd2-4326...@googlegroups.com>, Peter

why do you think I used that as an example?

> How about at Spa or Baden Baden?

[James Hogg]

Reinhold {Rey} Aman wrote:
> Linguistician PeteY Daniels wrote:
>> Janet wrote:
>>> Ginger is also rhyming slang for queer/homosexual
>> What's the rhyme? Ginger root?
>>
> Jesus! Beer : queer.

I think you missed a PTD joke there: Root: fruit

Anyway, I don't think it's rhyming slang. It's obviously short for
Ginger Rogers.

--
James

[Peter T. Daniels]

Over Here we have ginger ale. I think I've seen "ginger beer" in C. S. Lewis.

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 1:15:06 PM UTC-5, Reinhold {Rey} Aman wrote:
> Linguistician PeteY Daniels wrote:
> > Janet wrote:

> >> Ginger is also rhyming slang for queer/homosexual
> > What's the rhyme? Ginger root?
>
> Jesus! Beer : queer.

Where does beer come into it?

> ~~~ Reinhold {Rey} Aman ~~~

Hottsy-tottsy, a newborn Nazi.

[Peter T. Daniels]

Hopefully, as a witty remark involving eponymy.

[Richard Tobin]

In article <c3cf616a-c7c1-4f8c...@googlegroups.com>,

Peter T. Daniels <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:

>Over Here we have ginger ale. I think I've seen "ginger beer" in C. S. Lewis.

So do we. It's a different drink, though I'm not sure what exactly
the difference is. Ginger beer is normally drunk by itself, rather
than in mixed drinks.

-- Richard

[James Hogg]

Especially Crabbie's Alcoholic Ginger Beer. It's marketed in the USA if
anyone over there wants to try it.

--
James

[charles]

In article <c3cf616a-c7c1-4f8c...@googlegroups.com>, Peter

T. Daniels <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 1:15:04 PM UTC-5, Richard Tobin wrote:
> > In article <ddf876ea-a0fc-469a...@googlegroups.com>,
> > Peter T. Daniels <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > >> Ginger is also rhyming slang for queer/homosexual
> >
> > >What's the rhyme? Ginger root?
> >
> > Ginger beer. It's presumably what the Glaswegian "ginger" for a fizzy
> > drink refers to.

> Over Here we have ginger ale. I think I've seen "ginger beer" in C. S.
> Lewis.

"real" ginger beer is cloudy and alcoholic. There is non-alcoholic ginger
beer, too - drunk neat.
ginger ale is a ginger flavoured fizzy drink, usually used as an additive
to a spirit - often whisky.

Then there is ginger wine

[Oliver Cromm]

* Peter T. Daniels:

> On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 11:48:51 AM UTC-5, Charles Bishop wrote:
>> In article <slrnn60i2q.1...@ID-107770.user.individual.net>,
>> Whiskers <catwh...@operamail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2015-12-03, Peter T. Daniels <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> > On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 7:02:00 AM UTC-5, Whiskers Catwheezel
>>> > wrote:
>
>>> >> We sometimes see 'minerals' or 'mineral waters' used to mean (non
>>> >> alcoholic) 'fizzy drinks' including those which are not just water.
>>> >> This is confusing as 'mineral water' also means 'water from a spring
>>> >> (possibly with claimed health benefits or miraculous powers)'.
>>> > The lah-di-dah expression is now "May I get you a water?" and assent yields
>>> > the further "Sparkling or still?" Though that was the conversation at
>>> > several
>>> > restaurants in Munich last year.
>>> UK customers are now legally empowered to ask for tap water.
>>
>> Was it different before? Here tap water was what was routinely served,
>> until bottled water was seen as chic, water such as Evian. It's been
>> complicated here (CA) with the advent of a drought and we have to ask
>> for water rather than being given a glass when we sit down.

In Germany, most establishments don't give out tap water, they
much prefer earning a lot of money on water. Sometimes, a small
beer is cheaper than water.

It's been like this for as long as I can remember, but then, for
as long as I can remember, it was fashionable to have carbonated
water at home instead of drinking from the tap. Rey will remember
a time before that.

> That happened in NYC in 1965. And then when the water emergency was over,
> many restaurants didn't go back to the automatic glass for a long time,
> if ever.
>
>> In Mexico as I recall, it was "con gas" or "sin gas" for no bubble and
>> with bubbles. Chile, too.
>
> Also in Munich -- "Mit oder ohne Gas?" -- in the less upscale spots that
> might not be so eager to try out their English.

That would be German for foreigners, though. For Germans, it would
be "mit oder ohne Kohlensäure".

--
"Bother", said the Borg, as they assimilated Pooh.

[Tony Cooper]

Ginger ale has a reputation for being a settler of a upset tummy. Some
feel that ginger ale and soda crackers are what should be consumed
following a bout of stomach problems that involve either diarrhea or
vomiting.

As a beverage to be drunk by itself, I do like Vernor's Ginger Ale if
it can be found.

--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

[Whiskers]

On 2015-12-03, Charles Bishop <ctbi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> In article <slrnn60i2q.1...@ID-107770.user.individual.net>,
> Whiskers <catwh...@operamail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2015-12-03, Peter T. Daniels <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> > On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 7:02:00 AM UTC-5, Whiskers
>> > Catwheezel wrote:
>> >
>> >> We sometimes see 'minerals' or 'mineral waters' used to mean (non
>> >> alcoholic) 'fizzy drinks' including those which are not just
>> >> water. This is confusing as 'mineral water' also means 'water
>> >> from a spring (possibly with claimed health benefits or miraculous
>> >> powers)'.
>> >
>> > The lah-di-dah expression is now "May I get you a water?" and
>> > assent yields the further "Sparkling or still?" Though that was the
>> > conversation at several restaurants in Munich last year.
>>
>> UK customers are now legally empowered to ask for tap water.
>
> Was it different before? Here tap water was what was routinely served,
> until bottled water was seen as chic, water such as Evian. It's been
> complicated here (CA) with the advent of a drought and we have to ask
> for water rather than being given a glass when we sit down.

It became common for restaurants and cafés to serve bottled water, often
imported and inevitably expensive, and refuse or at least make a big
fuss if anyone asked for tap water. So the regulations were adjusted to
restore the status quo ante.

> In Mexico as I recall, it was "con gas" or "sin gas" for no bubble and
> with bubbles. Chile, too.
>
> [snip mineral water]

... I know in Spanish speaking places the taps marked C aren't cold ...

[Janet]

In article <ddf876ea-a0fc-469a...@googlegroups.com>,

gram...@verizon.net says...
>
> On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 9:36:19 AM UTC-5, Janet wrote:
> > In article <eeb16f90-26bf-4f6a...@googlegroups.com>,
> > gram...@verizon.net says...
> > > On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 7:09:14 AM UTC-5, bert wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, 3 December 2015 12:02:00 UTC, Whiskers Catwheezel wrote:
> > > > > On 2015-12-03, Steve Hayes <hay...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > "Soft drink" here is one that contains no alcohol.
> > > > > Likewise in the UK. The description includes both fizzy and non fizzy
> > > > > beverages, usually cold . . .
> > > > Around Glasgow, the generic term for carbonated drinks
> > > > of all flavours is "ginger", optionally preceded by the
> > > > actual flavour; e.g. "lime ginger", "cherry ginger", or
> > > > the surprisingly non-tautological "ginger ginger".
> > > "Ginger" also refers to a red-headed person Over There.
> >
> > Ginger is also rhyming slang for queer/homosexual
>
> What's the rhyme? Ginger root?

Ginger beer

Janet

[Janet]

In article <n3q0oc$nrh$3...@macpro.inf.ed.ac.uk>, ric...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk
says...

Nope. Glaswegian "ginger" is just a fizzy soft drink, neither ginger
flavoured or alcoholic. Irn Brew is a classic.

Janet

[Peter Duncanson [BrE]]

On Thu, 3 Dec 2015 13:37:51 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"
<gram...@verizon.net> wrote:

>On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 1:15:06 PM UTC-5, Reinhold {Rey} Aman wrote:
>> Linguistician PeteY Daniels wrote:
>> > Janet wrote:
>
>> >> Ginger is also rhyming slang for queer/homosexual
>> > What's the rhyme? Ginger root?
>>
>> Jesus! Beer : queer.
>
>Where does beer come into it?
>

There is a drink named "ginger beer". There are non-alcoholic and
alcoholic varieties.

The only versions I've had were non-alcoholic .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginger_beer

>> ~~~ Reinhold {Rey} Aman ~~~
>
>Hottsy-tottsy, a newborn Nazi.

[Robert Bannister]

On 03/12/2015 12:44, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 2, 2015 at 8:30:05 PM UTC-5, Richard Tobin wrote:
>> In article <nkvkijs3jwbz$.d...@mid.crommatograph.info>,

>> Oliver Cromm <lispa...@crommatograph.info> wrote:
>>
>>> After 13 years in this city, I learned in the newspaper that the
>>> usual local name in English for the thing in the subject, which
>>> some here recently claimed is not properly described by "fizzy
>>> drink", is "soft drink". Never knew that.
>>

>> But some soft drinks are not fizzy, so they can't be synonymous.
>
> Not in the US, they're not. (Unfizzy.)
>
That got me thinking about unfizzy soft drinks, and I can't think of one
either. Robinson's Barley Water? Ribena?
Ah - home-made lemonade - which is one of the very few contenders, I think.

--
Robert Bannister
Perth, Western Australia

[Robert Bannister]

Ginger Ale is quite different from ginger beer.

[Robert Bannister]

On 04/12/2015 02:15, Reinhold {Rey} Aman wrote:
> Linguistician PeteY Daniels wrote:
>>
>> Janet wrote:
>>>
>>> Ginger is also rhyming slang for queer/homosexual
>>
>> What's the rhyme? Ginger root?
>>
> Jesus! Beer : queer.
>

Although he didn't have many girlfriends, I don't think Jesus was.

[Robert Bannister]

On 04/12/2015 01:49, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> Also in Munich -- "Mit oder ohne Gas?" -- in the less upscale spots that
> might not be so eager to try out their English.
>

But not heard much at Auschwitz.

[Tony Cooper]

In many US restaurants and convenience stores there are "soft drink
dispensers". They dispense as many as 10 or 12 different beverages.
One of them might be a "punch"; a non-carbonated sweet drink. (The
best-known brand is Hawaiian Punch) Other non-carbonated drinks may
be included.

While, individually, they are not in the soft drink group, they are
soft drinks to the user of the machine.

[Peter T. Daniels]

I know nothing of mixed drinks. Ginger ale is a soda ("soft drink") all by itself.

[Peter T. Daniels]

Many years ago I was introduced to Stone's Ginger Wine, which mixed with
equal parts of club soda was a fine summer beverage.

[RH Draney]

On 12/3/2015 3:55 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
>
> Ginger ale has a reputation for being a settler of a upset tummy. Some
> feel that ginger ale and soda crackers are what should be consumed
> following a bout of stomach problems that involve either diarrhea or
> vomiting.
>
> As a beverage to be drunk by itself, I do like Vernor's Ginger Ale if
> it can be found.

Ginger in any form (gingerbread, crystallized ginger, even gari shoga
from the sushi place) is well-known as an anti-quease agent...it's
recommended whether the source of the nausea is motion sickness, morning
sickness, or just something questionable that one et....

If diarrhea is involved, then you want to move to BRAT foods: bananas,
rice, applesauce and toast, all of which have binding properties....r

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 5:55:16 PM UTC-5, Tony Cooper wrote:

> Ginger ale has a reputation for being a settler of a upset tummy. Some
> feel that ginger ale and soda crackers are what should be consumed
> following a bout of stomach problems that involve either diarrhea or
> vomiting.
>
> As a beverage to be drunk by itself, I do like Vernor's Ginger Ale if
> it can be found.

Vernor's is a Detroit specialty. It is not shipped elsewhere, and it's not
ginger ale. Ginger is one of the prominent flavorings but not the only one.

Soda is one of the few really local industries left. At my friend's mother's
funeral repast in western Connecticut I learned of a brand that offers at
least a dozen flavors of sugar-free soda, and all the ones they had on hand
were very good. I phoned them to ask if it was sold anywhere in NYC (or even
NJ), but it isn't. So I don't remember the name.

[Peter T. Daniels]

That's just lemonade.

[Default User]

Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 5:55:16 PM UTC-5, Tony Cooper wrote:
>
> > Ginger ale has a reputation for being a settler of a upset tummy.
> > Some feel that ginger ale and soda crackers are what should be
> > consumed following a bout of stomach problems that involve either
> > diarrhea or vomiting.
> >
> > As a beverage to be drunk by itself, I do like Vernor's Ginger Ale
> > if it can be found.
>
> Vernor's is a Detroit specialty. It is not shipped elsewhere, and
> it's not ginger ale. Ginger is one of the prominent flavorings but
> not the only one.

I'm pretty sure I have seen it here in Missouri, at least at one time.
Wikipedia indicates that the brand is owned by Dr Pepper these days.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vernors>

I see that Dr Pepper also owns Canada Dry, and I know they stock that
at the local supermarket. I bought some recently and have been drinking
it. In fact all this talk of ginger ale makes me want one.

Often bottlers won't stock competing varieties that are under their
corporate umbrella, so it's possible that Vernor's is no longer
available. Other times they will license one of them out to another. As
an example, Dr Pepper owns both Sunkist and Crush, so locally Pepsi
bottles Crush.

I will try to remember to check this week on my grocery shopping
venture to see if Vernor's is at the local supermarket and if so who
bottles it.


Brian

[Tony Cooper]

On Thu, 3 Dec 2015 20:28:26 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"
<gram...@verizon.net> wrote:

>On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 5:55:16 PM UTC-5, Tony Cooper wrote:
>
>> Ginger ale has a reputation for being a settler of a upset tummy. Some
>> feel that ginger ale and soda crackers are what should be consumed
>> following a bout of stomach problems that involve either diarrhea or
>> vomiting.
>>
>> As a beverage to be drunk by itself, I do like Vernor's Ginger Ale if
>> it can be found.
>


>Vernor's is a Detroit specialty. It is not shipped elsewhere, and it's not
>ginger ale.

The bastards are lying to us, then. It says "GINGER ALE" in their
logo:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vernors#/media/File:Vernors.jpg

It's available here in Orlando. Vernors is part of the Dr
Pepper/Snapple group based out of Texas. It's been available here for
many years. The company was purchased by A&W Beverages in 1987, and
A&W became part of the Dr Pepper/Snapple group later.

[James Hogg]

Mixed with equal parts of whisky or rum, it's a fine winter beverage.

--
James

[charles]

In article <n3rbca$kh8$1...@dont-email.me>, James Hogg <Jas....@gOUTmail.com>
wrote:

then add some hot water and honey and it becomes a hot toddy. A good cold
cure = or at least it helps you get some sleep when you have a cold.

[Lewis]

In message <nkvkijs3jwbz$.d...@mid.crommatograph.info>

Oliver Cromm <lispa...@crommatograph.info> wrote:
> After 13 years in this city, I learned in the newspaper that the
> usual local name in English for the thing in the subject, which
> some here recently claimed is not properly described by "fizzy
> drink", is "soft drink". Never knew that.

That is what the signs in the grocery store say here, but I never hear
anyone say it. I think my aunt said it, but she bought it once a year
for the kids to drink with Christmas dinner, so I doubt very much she
called it anything at all, and was simply parroting what the sign over
the grocery aisle said.

"Pop" or "soda" and I can't keep track who prefers which, so I use both.
Or fizzy drink if I am feeling recalcitrant, which is my default state
more and more often as I get Old™. "Fizzy drinks" has never been
misunderstood, but it does usually catch people short.

In many casual restaurants with many self-serve drink options I will
order a "fountain drink" rather than specifying. This way I get the
appropriate cup and not, for example, a coffee cup. This is a pretty new
usage for me, and I suspect has been caused by Panera Bread.

--
The easiest way to find something lost around the house is to buy a
replacement.

[Lewis]

In message <n3o5su$2qk7$1...@macpro.inf.ed.ac.uk>

Richard Tobin <ric...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
> In article <nkvkijs3jwbz$.d...@mid.crommatograph.info>,

> Oliver Cromm <lispa...@crommatograph.info> wrote:

>>After 13 years in this city, I learned in the newspaper that the
>>usual local name in English for the thing in the subject, which
>>some here recently claimed is not properly described by "fizzy
>>drink", is "soft drink". Never knew that.

> But some soft drinks are not fizzy, so they can't be synonymous.

Anything I would think of as a "soft drink" is fizzy.

--
The Nixon I remembered was absolutely humorless; I couldn't imagine
him laughing at anything except maybe a paraplegic who wanted to vote
Democratic but couldn't quite reach the lever on the voting machine.
— Hunter S Thompson

[Adam Funk]

On 2015-12-03, Oliver Cromm wrote:

> * Peter T. Daniels:

>>> In Mexico as I recall, it was "con gas" or "sin gas" for no bubble and
>>> with bubbles. Chile, too.
>>
>> Also in Munich -- "Mit oder ohne Gas?" -- in the less upscale spots that
>> might not be so eager to try out their English.
>
> That would be German for foreigners, though. For Germans, it would
> be "mit oder ohne Kohlensäure".

Very technical!


--
One sometimes gets the impression that the mere words 'Socialism' and
'Communism' draw towards them with magnetic force every fruit-juice
drinker, nudist, sandal-wearer, sex-maniac, Quaker, 'Nature Cure'
quack, pacifist, and feminist in England. --- George Orwell

[Adam Funk]

Applesauce? I thought eating a lot of fruit could contribute to
diarrhea. I'd probably try ginger & psyllium husk (the fibre can help
absorb the excess liquid).


Legendary note to a school:

Please excuse Billy for being absent yesterday. He had
diahre [crossed out] dyare [crossed out] direathe [crossed out]
the shits.


--
Mandrake, have you never wondered why I drink only distilled water,
or rain water, and only pure grain alcohol? --- General Ripper

[Richard Tobin]

In article <MPG.30cae85...@news.individual.net>,

Janet <nob...@home.org> wrote:

>> Ginger beer. It's presumably what the Glaswegian "ginger" for
>> a fizzy drink refers to.

> Nope. Glaswegian "ginger" is just a fizzy soft drink, neither ginger
>flavoured or alcoholic. Irn Brew is a classic.

I should have said "originally referred to". I know it's a generic
term for fizzy drinks now.

-- Richard

[Peter Duncanson [BrE]]

"Irn-Bru"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irn-Bru

[charles]

In article <slrnn62pcp....@amelia.local>,

Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <n3o5su$2qk7$1...@macpro.inf.ed.ac.uk>
> Richard Tobin <ric...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
> > In article <nkvkijs3jwbz$.d...@mid.crommatograph.info>,
> > Oliver Cromm <lispa...@crommatograph.info> wrote:

> >>After 13 years in this city, I learned in the newspaper that the
> >>usual local name in English for the thing in the subject, which
> >>some here recently claimed is not properly described by "fizzy
> >>drink", is "soft drink". Never knew that.

> > But some soft drinks are not fizzy, so they can't be synonymous.

> Anything I would think of as a "soft drink" is fizzy.

what about "Orange squash" - or don't you know what that is?

[Janet]

In article <6du26b5md1r5a3e8h...@4ax.com>,
ma...@peterduncanson.net says...

I am in spelling rehab

Janet

[Peter T. Daniels]

Then maybe they've changed -- and worsened -- it since it was a rare treat in
Chicago. I think it was available in Ann Arbor. I've never seen it anywhere in the East.

There also used to be a few A&W roadside eateries here. Not visible any more.

[Oliver Cromm]

* Adam Funk:

> On 2015-12-03, Oliver Cromm wrote:
>
>> * Peter T. Daniels:
>
>>>> In Mexico as I recall, it was "con gas" or "sin gas" for no bubble and
>>>> with bubbles. Chile, too.
>>>
>>> Also in Munich -- "Mit oder ohne Gas?" -- in the less upscale spots that
>>> might not be so eager to try out their English.
>>
>> That would be German for foreigners, though. For Germans, it would
>> be "mit oder ohne Kohlensäure".
>
> Very technical!

Some people object to it, because only a negligible part of the
carbon dioxide actually forms carbonic acid. So if you want to use
a technical name, most of it is carbonic acid anhydride
(Kohlensäureanhydrid), rather.

--
The bee must not pass judgment on the hive. (Voxish proverb)
-- Robert C. Wilson, Vortex (novel), p.125

[Adam Funk]

On 2015-12-04, Oliver Cromm wrote:

> * Adam Funk:
>
>> On 2015-12-03, Oliver Cromm wrote:
>>
>>> * Peter T. Daniels:
>>
>>>>> In Mexico as I recall, it was "con gas" or "sin gas" for no bubble and
>>>>> with bubbles. Chile, too.
>>>>
>>>> Also in Munich -- "Mit oder ohne Gas?" -- in the less upscale spots that
>>>> might not be so eager to try out their English.
>>>
>>> That would be German for foreigners, though. For Germans, it would
>>> be "mit oder ohne Kohlensäure".
>>
>> Very technical!
>
> Some people object to it, because only a negligible part of the
> carbon dioxide actually forms carbonic acid. So if you want to use
> a technical name, most of it is carbonic acid anhydride
> (Kohlensäureanhydrid), rather.

The "anhydrid" is a bit non-German. I think it should be "Wasser mit
Wasserfreikohlensäure".


--
There’s never enough time to do all the nothing you want.
--- Calvin

[Tony Cooper]

On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 04:34:09 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"

There are A&W eateries here, but they are combined with a Long John
Silver locations. This practice of combining two different fast food
outlets into one location is very popular here. Taco Bell and Pizza
Hut share, Burger King and Dairy Queen share in a few, and Dunkin'
Donuts and (I forget who) share in some.

The same counter crew serve both styles.

[Peter T. Daniels]

I'm not sure how much penetration Long John Silver had around here, but Arthur
Treacher's Fish and Chips long survived his tenure as Merv Griffin's sidekick,
and then it folded into Nathan's Famous (the Coney Island hot dog people),
which used to be just a few huge restaurant locations (there was one on Central
Avenue in Yonkers) but now has a minor presence in mall food courts.

The combinations like those you mention thrive in high-rent areas like Midtown
Manhattan. Presumably all the outlets in any given one are owned by the same
parent company.

[RH Draney]

On 12/4/2015 3:31 AM, Adam Funk wrote:
> On 2015-12-04, RH Draney wrote:
>>
>> If diarrhea is involved, then you want to move to BRAT foods: bananas,
>> rice, applesauce and toast, all of which have binding properties....r
>
> Applesauce? I thought eating a lot of fruit could contribute to
> diarrhea. I'd probably try ginger & psyllium husk (the fibre can help
> absorb the excess liquid).

Pectin (iconically found in apples, pears, and the golden eggs laid by
Disney's "$1,000,000 Duck") helps liquids set up....r

[Oliver Cromm]

* Whiskers:

> ... I know in Spanish speaking places the taps marked C aren't cold ...

In bilingual Montreal this is a source of confusion; you never
know what C means unless you check whether the other is H or F.
OTOH, cold being to the right is very reliable, different from my
experience in England.

--
Failover worked - the system failed, then it was over.
(freely translated from a remark by Dietz Proepper
in de.alt.sysadmin.recovery)

[Oliver Cromm]

* Adam Funk:

> On 2015-12-04, RH Draney wrote:
>
>> On 12/3/2015 3:55 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
>>>
>>> Ginger ale has a reputation for being a settler of a upset tummy. Some
>>> feel that ginger ale and soda crackers are what should be consumed
>>> following a bout of stomach problems that involve either diarrhea or
>>> vomiting.
>>>
>>> As a beverage to be drunk by itself, I do like Vernor's Ginger Ale if
>>> it can be found.
>>
>> Ginger in any form (gingerbread, crystallized ginger, even gari shoga
>> from the sushi place) is well-known as an anti-quease agent...it's
>> recommended whether the source of the nausea is motion sickness, morning
>> sickness, or just something questionable that one et....
>> If diarrhea is involved, then you want to move to BRAT foods: bananas,
>> rice, applesauce and toast, all of which have binding properties....r
>
> Applesauce? I thought eating a lot of fruit could contribute to
> diarrhea.

Exactly my reaction. Sometimes even a banana is the thing that
sets me off.

I wouldn't expect commercial ginger ale to have enough ginger to
help; I hardly recognize the taste and didn't believe that it was
made with real ginger when I first had it as a teenager. I should
try Stewart's ginger beer, it's supposed to have a lot more zing.

The traditional "prescription" for an upset stomach with German
doctors is cola and pretzels. One doctor added the disappointing
news, though, that the cola should be room temperature and
preferably a little flattened [can you say that?].

Pretzels are indeed a very safe food under the circumstances, at
least for me.

> I'd probably try ginger & psyllium husk (the fibre can help
> absorb the excess liquid).

Yeah, something like that, bran comes to mind. Psyllium was new to
me, though, including it's funny German name (Flohsamenschalen,
"flea seed husks").

--
Smith & Wesson--the original point and click interface

[Oliver Cromm]

* Tony Cooper:

Here Dairy Queen often combines with Orange Julius, a brand that
they bought a while ago; I'm not aware of other dual-brand
outlets, but then, I'm mostly around downtown, where a lot of the
fast food is in food courts anyway. I'm still waiting to see a
Burger King/Tim Hortons combi since their merger.

A&W is still common here.

--
The generation of random numbers is too important to be left to
chance.
Robert R. Coveyou

[Oliver Cromm]

* Janet:

> In article <6du26b5md1r5a3e8h...@4ax.com>,
> ma...@peterduncanson.net says...
>>
>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 00:02:05 -0000, Janet <nob...@home.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Nope. Glaswegian "ginger" is just a fizzy soft drink, neither ginger
>>>flavoured or alcoholic. Irn Brew is a classic.
>>

>> "Irn-Bru"
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irn-Bru
>
> I am in spelling rehab

Available round the world, it says - I haven't noticed, guess I
should go look for something like a British store.

Hm, that may not work:

| The bright-orange, caffeinated soft drink Irn-Bru contains an
| ingredient the Canadian Food Inspection Agency has told Badger
| is unapproved for sale in this country.

<http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/canada-cracking-down-on-british-delicacies-specialty-shopkeepers-warn-1.1654164>

Hotchkiss, interesting name. I only knew it as the Japanese term
for staples/staplers.

--
Bug:
An elusive creature living in a program that makes it incorrect.
The activity of "debugging," or removing bugs from a program, ends
when people get tired of doing it, not when the bugs are removed.

[Cheryl]

On 2015-12-04 2:17 PM, Oliver Cromm wrote:

>
> The traditional "prescription" for an upset stomach with German
> doctors is cola and pretzels. One doctor added the disappointing
> news, though, that the cola should be room temperature and
> preferably a little flattened [can you say that?].

Flat, not flattened, and Canadian folk medical advice also includes warm
soft drinks (type not always specified) that have been allowed to go
flat. Disgusting.

> Pretzels are indeed a very safe food under the circumstances, at
> least for me.

Saltine crackers are sometimes suggested, for much the same reasons. On
the fortunately very rare occasions I have needed something, I stick to
sips of plain water and maybe plain crackers like saltines.

>> I'd probably try ginger & psyllium husk (the fibre can help
>> absorb the excess liquid).
>
> Yeah, something like that, bran comes to mind. Psyllium was new to
> me, though, including it's funny German name (Flohsamenschalen,
> "flea seed husks").
>

That name makes it sound even less appealing than psyllium!

--
Cheryl

[RH Draney]

On 12/4/2015 10:47 AM, Oliver Cromm wrote:
> * Tony Cooper:
>
>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 04:34:09 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"
>> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> There also used to be a few A&W roadside eateries here. Not visible any more.
>>
>> There are A&W eateries here, but they are combined with a Long John
>> Silver locations. This practice of combining two different fast food
>> outlets into one location is very popular here. Taco Bell and Pizza
>> Hut share, Burger King and Dairy Queen share in a few, and Dunkin'
>> Donuts and (I forget who) share in some.

There are various pairs from among Taco Bell, Pizza Hut, Long John
Silver and A&W sharing a single site in the Phoenix area....

>> The same counter crew serve both styles.
>
> Here Dairy Queen often combines with Orange Julius, a brand that
> they bought a while ago; I'm not aware of other dual-brand
> outlets, but then, I'm mostly around downtown, where a lot of the
> fast food is in food courts anyway. I'm still waiting to see a
> Burger King/Tim Hortons combi since their merger.
>
> A&W is still common here.

Dunkin Donuts here is often combined with Baskin-Robbins....r

[RH Draney]

On 12/4/2015 10:47 AM, Oliver Cromm wrote:

> * Janet:
>
>> In article <6du26b5md1r5a3e8h...@4ax.com>,
>> ma...@peterduncanson.net says...
>>>
>>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 00:02:05 -0000, Janet <nob...@home.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nope. Glaswegian "ginger" is just a fizzy soft drink, neither ginger
>>>> flavoured or alcoholic. Irn Brew is a classic.
>>>
>>> "Irn-Bru"
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irn-Bru
>>
>> I am in spelling rehab
>
> Available round the world, it says - I haven't noticed, guess I
> should go look for something like a British store.

is Idris still sold?...haven't been able to find it here in years....r

[Mark Brader]

>> ... I know in Spanish speaking places the taps marked C aren't cold ...
>
> In bilingual Montreal this is a source of confusion; you never
> know what C means unless you check whether the other is H or F.

This reminds me of the time I crossed a language boundary in Switzerland
and, having gotten used to ordering "kalte Milch" with my dinner for the
last several days, absentmindedly asked the waiter for "latte caldo".

I actually kind of liked it, but I still haven't ever had it again.
--
Mark Brader | Plan B is:
Toronto | "Try Plan A again; if this fails, try Plan B".
m...@vex.net | --Michael Wares

My text in this article is in the public domain.

[Tony Cooper]

On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 12:47:54 -0500, Oliver Cromm
<lispa...@crommatograph.info> wrote:

>The traditional "prescription" for an upset stomach with German
>doctors is cola and pretzels. One doctor added the disappointing
>news, though, that the cola should be room temperature and
>preferably a little flattened [can you say that?].

I would say "...the cola should be room temperature and flat".

The cola flattens itself, so it need not *be* flattened.

[Tony Cooper]

Ah, yes. That's the combo I couldn't think of.

A&W is a big disappointment to me. When I was a youngster a trip to
the A&W drive-in was a special treat. A carhop brought a frosty glass
mug to the car and clipped it onto a partly-opened window.

The A&W near here provides plastic mugs and the root beer doesn't
taste nearly as rich.

Dairy Queens can be a pleasant surprise. They are locally-owned
franchise operations that don't seem to be obligated to the DQ
franchise to use DQ products for items other than the softserve ice
cream products. Some of them sell hamburgers that are big, fat, and
juicy.

[Oliver Cromm]

* Tony Cooper:

I did not say "flat" because that implies to me that there is no
or almost no CO2 left. AFAIR the doctor actually said something
like "let it stand a bit so it doesn't have *too* much fizz".

--
If you kill one person, you go to jail; if you kill 20, you go
to an institution for the insane; if you kill 20,000, you get
political asylum. -- Reed Brody, special counsel
for prosecutions at Human Rights Watch

[Oliver Cromm]

* RH Draney:

The OS is thoroughly outdated, Idris Elba has good business going,
and I'm not going to learn yet another meaning for this 5-letter
sequence.

--
Some things are taken away from you, some you leave behind-and
some you carry with you, world without end.
-- Robert C. Wilson, Vortex (novel), p.31

[Tony Cooper]

On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 14:32:04 -0500, Oliver Cromm

<lispa...@crommatograph.info> wrote:

>* Tony Cooper:
>
>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 12:47:54 -0500, Oliver Cromm
>> <lispa...@crommatograph.info> wrote:
>>
>>>The traditional "prescription" for an upset stomach with German
>>>doctors is cola and pretzels. One doctor added the disappointing
>>>news, though, that the cola should be room temperature and
>>>preferably a little flattened [can you say that?].
>>
>> I would say "...the cola should be room temperature and flat".
>>
>> The cola flattens itself, so it need not *be* flattened.
>
>I did not say "flat" because that implies to me that there is no
>or almost no CO2 left. AFAIR the doctor actually said something
>like "let it stand a bit so it doesn't have *too* much fizz".

Well, then, the sentence should be "...the cola should be room
temperature and nearly flat" or something could be added to indicate
that the cola should be allowed to become less-fizzy. In either case,
"flattened" is not the word you want.

[Adam Funk]

On 2015-12-04, RH Draney wrote:

> is Idris still sold?...haven't been able to find it here in years....r

You need to take a long hike in Gwynedd.


--
Ambassador Trentino: "I am willing to do anything to prevent this
war."
President Firefly: "It's too late. I've already paid a month's
rent on the battlefield." _Duck Soup_

[Adam Funk]

On 2015-12-04, Oliver Cromm wrote:

> * Whiskers:
>
>> ... I know in Spanish speaking places the taps marked C aren't cold ...
>
> In bilingual Montreal this is a source of confusion; you never
> know what C means unless you check whether the other is H or F.
> OTOH, cold being to the right is very reliable, different from my
> experience in England.

Surely the most sensible thing would be to mark them blue & red? (Or
is there a color-blindness that would make that a problem?)


--
Indentation is for enemy skulls, not code!
--- Klingon Programmer's Guide

[Adam Funk]

On 2015-12-04, Oliver Cromm wrote:

> * Adam Funk:
>
>> On 2015-12-04, RH Draney wrote:

>>> Ginger in any form (gingerbread, crystallized ginger, even gari shoga
>>> from the sushi place) is well-known as an anti-quease agent...it's
>>> recommended whether the source of the nausea is motion sickness, morning
>>> sickness, or just something questionable that one et....
>>> If diarrhea is involved, then you want to move to BRAT foods: bananas,
>>> rice, applesauce and toast, all of which have binding properties....r
>>
>> Applesauce? I thought eating a lot of fruit could contribute to
>> diarrhea.
>
> Exactly my reaction. Sometimes even a banana is the thing that
> sets me off.
>
> I wouldn't expect commercial ginger ale to have enough ginger to
> help; I hardly recognize the taste and didn't believe that it was
> made with real ginger when I first had it as a teenager. I should
> try Stewart's ginger beer, it's supposed to have a lot more zing.

There's a Jamaican brand, or least a brand with "Jamaican" on the
label, that's pretty zingy.

> Pretzels are indeed a very safe food under the circumstances, at
> least for me.

Pretzels are great for all occasions.

>> I'd probably try ginger & psyllium husk (the fibre can help
>> absorb the excess liquid).
>
> Yeah, something like that, bran comes to mind. Psyllium was new to
> me, though, including it's funny German name (Flohsamenschalen,
> "flea seed husks").

Fibre sources like psyllium are (interestingly) good for many kinds of
both constipation & diarrhea. (Yes, the German name is funny.)


--
Science is what we understand well enough to explain to a computer.
Art is everything else we do. --- Donald Knuth

[Adam Funk]

Aha, pectin is a soluble fiber. I would guess that it's the
pectinless fruits that have a bad reputation (when consumed in
excess), but Wikipedia says citrus fruits (which have that reputation)
are high in pectin. Hmm.

Pectin in eggs, though --- totally unscientific.


--
A man can't just sit around.
--- Larry Walters

[Peter Duncanson [BrE]]

On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 12:47:53 -0500, Oliver Cromm
<lispa...@crommatograph.info> wrote:

>
>Hotchkiss, interesting name. I only knew it as the Japanese term
>for staples/staplers.

https://www.houseofnames.com/hotchkiss-family-crest

http://forebears.co.uk/surnames/hotchkiss


--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 12:47:56 PM UTC-5, Oliver Cromm wrote:
> * Tony Cooper:
> > On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 04:34:09 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"
> > <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:

> >>There also used to be a few A&W roadside eateries here. Not visible any more.
> > There are A&W eateries here, but they are combined with a Long John
> > Silver locations. This practice of combining two different fast food
> > outlets into one location is very popular here. Taco Bell and Pizza
> > Hut share, Burger King and Dairy Queen share in a few, and Dunkin'
> > Donuts and (I forget who) share in some.
> > The same counter crew serve both styles.
>
> Here Dairy Queen often combines with Orange Julius, a brand that

Orange Julius disappeared from NYC long ago; when I got to Chicago in 1972
I was delighted to find one on State Street in the heart of the Loop. But
its product was nothing like what I remembered from grade-school days. I
don't think it lasted very long after that.

> they bought a while ago; I'm not aware of other dual-brand
> outlets, but then, I'm mostly around downtown, where a lot of the
> fast food is in food courts anyway. I'm still waiting to see a
> Burger King/Tim Hortons combi since their merger.
>
> A&W is still common here.

They had good burgers.

[Peter T. Daniels]

Actually she clipped a tray onto the window.

Was she on roller skates? I don't remember whether I saw that in real life
or only in California-set movies.

> The A&W near here provides plastic mugs and the root beer doesn't
> taste nearly as rich.

HFCS instead of sugar?

> Dairy Queens can be a pleasant surprise. They are locally-owned
> franchise operations that don't seem to be obligated to the DQ
> franchise to use DQ products for items other than the softserve ice

> cream products. Some of them sell hamburgers that are big, fat, and,
> juicy.

THere aren't any around here. There may have been some around Chicago but
I never visited one.

For months, "Red Robin" was advertising on NYC broadcast TV. When one finally
opened, just down the boulevard from Walmart, I was astonished to discover
that it was a sit-down, not a fast-food, operation.

An added benefit of the drive to Ann Arbor was the Hardee's just over the
Michigan border on I-94. They were also in Madison, WI, but never in Chicago,
and not in the East.

Arby's, a widespread feature in Chicago, finally came to Rutherford, NJ (it
was on the way to the Clifton Barnes & Noble, and it was a nostalgic delight
to find it. Last year the building became a Starbucks.

[Tony Cooper]

On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 13:44:55 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"

No, not in Indianapolis then.

Until recently, the Sonic near our house required the carhops to
rollerskate. Evidently, there was an accident of some sort. Sonics
nationally are known for their rollerskating carhops, but the ban may
be just local.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_Drive-In


The carhops in "American Graffiti" and on "Happy Days" were on
rollerskates.

[bill van]

In article <n3smf...@news3.newsguy.com>,

The larger Safeway supermarkets here in Vancouver often have a Starbucks
coffee stand inside.
--
bill

[Peter T. Daniels]

... or they perhaps would be if Sonics were known nationally.

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_Drive-In
>
> The carhops in "American Graffiti" and on "Happy Days" were on
> rollerskates.

As I said. Quick: the connection between the two?

[Oliver Cromm]

* Peter T. Daniels:

> On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 12:47:56 PM UTC-5, Oliver Cromm wrote:
>>

>> Here Dairy Queen often combines with Orange Julius [...]

>
> Orange Julius disappeared from NYC long ago; when I got to Chicago in 1972
> I was delighted to find one on State Street in the heart of the Loop. But
> its product was nothing like what I remembered from grade-school days. I
> don't think it lasted very long after that.

It might be that your taste had changed.

>> A&W is still common here.
>
> They had good burgers.

Again, I wonder the same thing. I find A&W products excessively
greasy, but as a child, you might have enjoyed just that.

My preferred burgers are not from any of the big chains, but among
those, Burger King is the best middle ground for me (McDo being
lean to the point of tastelessness).

--
The country has its quota of fools and windbags; such people are
most prominent in politics, where their inherent weaknesses seem
less glaring and attract less ridicule than they would in other
walks of life. -- Robert Bothwell et.al.: Canada since 1945

[Oliver Cromm]

* Tony Cooper:

> On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 14:32:04 -0500, Oliver Cromm
> <lispa...@crommatograph.info> wrote:
>
>>* Tony Cooper:
>>
>>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 12:47:54 -0500, Oliver Cromm
>>> <lispa...@crommatograph.info> wrote:
>>>
>>>>The traditional "prescription" for an upset stomach with German
>>>>doctors is cola and pretzels. One doctor added the disappointing
>>>>news, though, that the cola should be room temperature and
>>>>preferably a little flattened [can you say that?].
>>>
>>> I would say "...the cola should be room temperature and flat".
>>>
>>> The cola flattens itself, so it need not *be* flattened.

So if a room gets bright by the natural movements of the sun and
clouds, you shouldn't call that room "brightened", either?

>>I did not say "flat" because that implies to me that there is no
>>or almost no CO2 left. AFAIR the doctor actually said something
>>like "let it stand a bit so it doesn't have *too* much fizz".
>
> Well, then, the sentence should be "...the cola should be room
> temperature and nearly flat" or something could be added to indicate
> that the cola should be allowed to become less-fizzy. In either case,
> "flattened" is not the word you want.

OK. I believe it is not an outlandish idea to use "flatten" for
"make or let go flat", but if it isn't idiomatic, it isn't.

--
Press any key to continue or any other key to quit.

[Oliver Cromm]

* Adam Funk:

> On 2015-12-04, Oliver Cromm wrote:
>
>> * Whiskers:
>>
>>> ... I know in Spanish speaking places the taps marked C aren't cold ...
>>
>> In bilingual Montreal this is a source of confusion; you never
>> know what C means unless you check whether the other is H or F.
>> OTOH, cold being to the right is very reliable, different from my
>> experience in England.
>
> Surely the most sensible thing would be to mark them blue & red? (Or
> is there a color-blindness that would make that a problem?)

That's what I thought, too, but color-marking is extremely rare.
No idea why. Also, color and letter could be combined if there's
an issue with color alone.

[Peter T. Daniels]

The nearest Walmart has a McDonalds, the next-closest two have Subways.
There isn't the sort of corporate connection seen in the pairings of
fast-food outlets in the list above.