Mulder is Cigarette Smoking Man's Son!!!!
Erik Dube
On Sat, 18 May 1996, Ralph Juliano wrote:
> Best Boy wrote:
> >
> > Mulder's mother had an affair with Cigarette Smoking Man!!!!
> > How sick can the writers get?
> > This is what we get after Morgan, Wong and Morgan quit!I think Mulder being
> Cigarette Smoking Man's son is a great twist.
> Besides, I think it was a worse travesty killing off poor
> Queequag(something like that). I'll be holding my breath til Fall.
>
>
I don't think it is ever revealed that Cancer Man was Mulder's
father. All that is known is that Cancer Man had an affair with Mulder's
mother. He even remembers the kid's (Fox and Samantha) being around.
Best Boy
bostongirl
On May 18, 1996 04:02:09 in article <Mulder is Cigarette Smoking Man's
have a CLUE how I did this!!), so I can't go back & watch it again. I
remember CSM telling Mulder that he knew his (Mulder's) mother before he &
Samantha were even born, but I DO NOT recall him alluding to the fact that
he is perhaps Mulder's father. Please clue me in...did this REALLY happen?
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Eleven Shadows
Erik Dube wrote:
>
> On Sat, 18 May 1996, Ralph Juliano wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Mulder's mother had an affair with Cigarette Smoking Man!!!!
> > > How sick can the writers get?
> > Cigarette Smoking Man's son is a great twist.
> > Besides, I think it was a worse travesty killing off poor
> > Queequag(something like that). I'll be holding my breath til Fall.
>
> I don't think it is ever revealed that Cancer Man was Mulder's
> father. All that is known is that Cancer Man had an affair with Mulder's
> mother. He even remembers the kid's (Fox and Samantha) being around.
How can you say this is *known*?
Karen Green
ALthough he _does_ tell Mulder in the hospital "I've known your mother
since before you were born." However - I choose NOT to believe that he is
Mulder's actual father; it would be too warped if CC actually used an idea
that had been bruited about on the net as a _joke_! I think CC is just
trying to make sure that we don't get too cozy in _any_ of our
assumptions.
Karen
kenneth mcalinden
Best Boy (boy@intenet) wrote:
: Mulder's mother had an affair with Cigarette Smoking Man!!!!
: How sick can the writers get?
: This is what we get after Morgan, Wong and Morgan quit!
You would prefer Space: Above and Beyond, perhaps? You're welcome to it.
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just della
On Fri, 17 May 1996 22:33:44 -0700, Erik Dube <ed...@deneb.csustan.edu> was urged to
share:
> I don't think it is ever revealed that Cancer Man was Mulder's
>father. All that is known is that Cancer Man had an affair with Mulder's
>mother. He even remembers the kid's (Fox and Samantha) being around.
and wasn't her husband around too? didn't cm mention
what a good water skiier he was? pretty tolerant guy
if they're having their affair right under his nose.
Ralph Juliano
Best Boy wrote:
>
> Mulder's mother had an affair with Cigarette Smoking Man!!!!
> How sick can the writers get?
Sawnotes
Cancer Man is Mulder's father -- seems to much like Luke Skywlker and
Darth Vader to me.
Rez
boy@intenet (Best Boy) writes:
> Mulder's mother had an affair with Cigarette Smoking Man!!!!
> How sick can the writers get?
> This is what we get after Morgan, Wong and Morgan quit!
>>>>
it was just an implication. Something juicy for
people to think about..
How sick can the writers get? I don't know why don't
you ask Chris Carter and David Duchovny, they wrote
the script...
Well, you could always watch SAAB...
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Erik Dube
On 18 May 1996, Eleven Shadows wrote:
> Erik Dube wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 18 May 1996, Ralph Juliano wrote:
> >
> > > Best Boy wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Mulder's mother had an affair with Cigarette Smoking Man!!!!
> > > > How sick can the writers get?
> > > > This is what we get after Morgan, Wong and Morgan quit!I think Mulder being
> > > Cigarette Smoking Man's son is a great twist.
> > > Besides, I think it was a worse travesty killing off poor
> > > Queequag(something like that). I'll be holding my breath til Fall.
> >
> > I don't think it is ever revealed that Cancer Man was Mulder's
> > father. All that is known is that Cancer Man had an affair with Mulder's
> > mother. He even remembers the kid's (Fox and Samantha) being around.
>
> How can you say this is *known*?
>
>
Ummm, because he says it (very greatly implies) while talking to Mrs.
Mulder. She also hints (very strongly) about this.
He talks about the "good times" they had at the summer cabin when the
kids were "young and energetic" and how he (Cancer Man) was a better
water skiier than Bill Maulder but, "that could be said about a lot of
things" he adds.
Cancer Man and Mrs. Mulder got it on at the summer cabin and the kids
were already around. Cancer Man is not Fox's father, only an affair
happened.
jew...@magicnet.net
In article <4njpip$j...@news1.t1.usa.pipeline.com>,
bosto...@usa.pipeline.co says...
>
>On May 18, 1996 04:02:09 in article <Mulder is Cigarette Smoking Man's
>
>
>>Mulder's mother had an affair with Cigarette Smoking Man!!!!
>>How sick can the writers get?
>
> I mistakenly taped another channel while watching the x-files
(Don't
>have a CLUE how I did this!!), so I can't go back & watch it again. I
>remember CSM telling Mulder that he knew his (Mulder's) mother before he
&
>Samantha were even born, but I DO NOT recall him alluding to the fact
that
>he is perhaps Mulder's father. Please clue me in...did this REALLY
happen?
>
>--
>
>Jackie
All this talk about the CSM being Mulder's father is hogwash, he
neversaid it or implied it. Pure speculation.
C.K. Coney
I agree that maybe there was no affair...perhaps a flirtation, maybe
not even that. And comon...Cancer Man may have been around but
why would anyone assume he is Muldar's father?! You people have
sex on the brain!
I think Muldar's father is that morphing alien Smith guy (or one
of the Smiths, at any rate.)
I lost 5 min. of the episode due to cable outage, so I'm still
trying to figure out what it all means. heavy reliogious overtones,
eh?
And now I'm wondering if the cliffhanger ending will have the
killer alien morphing into Muldar's dad, thereby preventing
Scully from shooting him/it with her gun?
it's gonna be a long summer.
Carol Coney
JN Cotton
In <319D85...@primenet.com> Eleven Shadows <Bur...@primenet.com>
writes:
>
>Erik Dube wrote:
>> snip
>>
>> I don't think it is ever revealed that Cancer Man was Mulder's
>> father. All that is known is that Cancer Man had an affair with
Mulder's
>> mother. He even remembers the kid's (Fox and Samantha) being
around.
>
>How can you say this is *known*?
I won't go so far as to say that it "is known," but I definitely got
the same impression. I felt that the viewer was led to believe Ma
Mulder and Cancer Man had an affair. That seemed to be the gist of the
conversation. But I thought that the writers were being very pointed by
having Cancerman talk about "the kids" running around. To me, that
implied that the affair took place after Fox and Samantha were born.
That was just my reading of it anyway.
Actually, the "affair with Cancerman" was the most revealing and
disturbing part of the whole episode. The rest was rather, well, rather
boring, IMHO. Not the cliffhanger I expected.
Nancy (no clever sig)
OBSSE
bostongirl
On May 18, 1996 17:01:32 in article <Re: Mulder is Cigarette Smoking Man's
Son!!!!>, 'jew...@magicnet.net' wrote:
>All this talk about the CSM being Mulder's father is hogwash, he
>neversaid it or implied it. Pure speculation.
cig....
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just della
On 18 May 1996 06:09:29 GMT, bosto...@usa.pipeline.com(bostongirl) was urged to
share:
>On May 18, 1996 04:02:09 in article <Mulder is Cigarette Smoking Man's
>Son!!!!>, 'boy@intenet (Best Boy)' wrote:
>
>
>>Mulder's mother had an affair with Cigarette Smoking Man!!!!
>>How sick can the writers get?
>>This is what we get after Morgan, Wong and Morgan quit!
>
> I mistakenly taped another channel while watching the x-files (Don't
>have a CLUE how I did this!!), so I can't go back & watch it again. I
>remember CSM telling Mulder that he knew his (Mulder's) mother before he &
>Samantha were even born, but I DO NOT recall him alluding to the fact that
>he is perhaps Mulder's father. Please clue me in...did this REALLY happen?
nope.
Alamar Sheltem
In article <319de84e...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, de...@ix.netcom.com
(just della) wrote:
/\On Fri, 17 May 1996 22:33:44 -0700, Erik Dube <ed...@deneb.csustan.edu>
was urged to
/\share:
/\
/\
/\> I don't think it is ever revealed that Cancer Man was Mulder's
/\>father. All that is known is that Cancer Man had an affair with Mulder's
/\>mother. He even remembers the kid's (Fox and Samantha) being around.
/\
/\ and wasn't her husband around too? didn't cm mention
/\ what a good water skiier he was? pretty tolerant guy
/\ if they're having their affair right under his nose.
No way that cancer man is Mulder's Dad. Just cause he knew Mulders mom b4
Mulder was born? So what. So was Bob Dole, if he knew Ms. Mulder would he
also be a canidate as Mulder's dad.
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Karen Green <kl...@columbia.edu> writes:
>On Fri, 17 May 1996, Erik Dube wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 18 May 1996, Ralph Juliano wrote:
What seems to be a little lost here is the idea that CSman would
refrain at this late date from whacking our boy, Fox, purely because of
the "one man's martyrdom" premise. (X as much as said that that was
wearing thin.) He owed a "debt" to Mulder's father but with him dead
and Mulder getting closer to the truth there has to be a reason for him
to stay his thugs. What would be more natural than an even stronger
connection to Fox's Mother? He restrains the forces of darkness because
he still has feelings for her.
NJP
Best Boy
In article <4nl01i$3...@cancer.vividnet.com>, Rez <Rez...@vividnet.com> says:
>
>boy@intenet (Best Boy) writes:
>> Mulder's mother had an affair with Cigarette Smoking Man!!!!
>> How sick can the writers get?
>> This is what we get after Morgan, Wong and Morgan quit!
>>>>>
> it was just an implication. Something juicy for
> people to think about..
> How sick can the writers get? I don't know why don't
> you ask Chris Carter and David Duchovny, they wrote
> the script...
> Well, you could always watch SAAB...
Actually I've only watched one SAAB. As soon as I saw the cast, it was
all downhill. It's the wrong vehicle for Morgan, Wong, and maybe any
writer. The SAAB cast is a disaster.
.
"Luke Skywalker.....I am your father....Come, Come to the
Dark side......"
Please I think Chris has more class then to recycle an old
idea. I don't think Chris thinks that Xphiles are that dum?
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In article <4nlbj6$2...@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com>, jnco...@ix.netcom.com(JN
Cotton ) writes:
>I won't go so far as to say that it "is known," but I definitely got
>the same impression. I felt that the viewer was led to believe Ma
>Mulder and Cancer Man had an affair. That seemed to be the gist of the
>conversation. But I thought that the writers were being very pointed by
>having Cancerman talk about "the kids" running around. To me, that
>implied that the affair took place after Fox and Samantha were born.
>That was just my reading of it anyway.
>
>Actually, the "affair with Cancerman" was the most revealing and
>disturbing part of the whole episode. The rest was rather, well, rather
>boring, IMHO. Not the cliffhanger I expected.
As I said in an earlier post. . .
CC said we were gonna be pissed off for the summer. . .I guess he kept his
promise because if CM turned out to be "Daddy-Dearest" that would be at
the top of my "Ten Reasons Why I'm Pissed Off" list. . .
I don't think CC would do that to us - - do you?? PUH-LEASE someone
agree with me.
"Willing to believe in all extreme possibilities EXCEPT that. . ."
Barbara
Barbara
Best Boy
In article <319de84e...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, de...@ix.netcom.com (just della) says:
>
>On Fri, 17 May 1996 22:33:44 -0700, Erik Dube <ed...@deneb.csustan.edu> was urged to
>
>
>> I don't think it is ever revealed that Cancer Man was Mulder's
>
It sounds like Richard Burton, Eddie Fisher and Elizabeth Taylor.
Eddie Fisher didn't know what hit him, the same way Debbie Fisher didn't
know what hit her.
Best Boy
In article <319e598b...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, de...@ix.netcom.com (just della) says:
>
>On 18 May 1996 06:09:29 GMT, bosto...@usa.pipeline.com(bostongirl) was urged to
>share:
>
>> I mistakenly taped another channel while watching the x-files (Don't
>>have a CLUE how I did this!!), so I can't go back & watch it again. I
Well you have to set your VCR channel to the X-Files channel, otherwise
you could accidently set your VCR channel to another channel and mistakenly
hit that TV/VCR toggle switch on your VCR remote control and advance the
TV channel to the X-Files channel
- and thus watch X-Files on TV while the VCR tapes something else.
Tekno
Will someone please let me know which episode this is in?
Wendy
> This is what we get after Morgan, Wong and Morgan quit!
Anyone else sick of reading this line?
Linda J. Anderson
In <319f42f8...@news.demon.co.uk> pa...@pponting.demon.co.uk
(Tekno) writes:
>
>Will someone please let me know which episode this is in?
It's not true, although I *did* expect Cancerman to tell Fox to give in
to the dark side.
Best Boy
In article <wkadams-1905...@naiw1p41.nai.net>, wka...@nai.net (Wendy) says:
>
>
>> This is what we get after Morgan, Wong and Morgan quit!
>
I do! I do!
That's why we can't stop.
Scully
>Anyone else sick of reading this line?
You're stupid for reading it so many times.
Tony R. Boies
In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.96051...@deneb.csustan.edu>,
Erik Dube <ed...@deneb.csustan.edu> wrote:
>
> I don't think it is ever revealed that Cancer Man was Mulder's
> father. All that is known is that Cancer Man had an affair with Mulder's
> mother. He even remembers the kid's (Fox and Samantha) being around.
There's a better chance that Cancer Man is Samantha's father
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OK, I guess the word "sarcasm" was left out of your dictionary? Just
havin' a little fun!
Alamar Sheltem
*On Sat, 18 May 1996, Ralph Juliano wrote:
*
*> Best Boy wrote:
*> >
*> > Mulder's mother had an affair with Cigarette Smoking Man!!!!
*> > How sick can the writers get?
*> > This is what we get after Morgan, Wong and Morgan quit!I think Mulder being
*> Cigarette Smoking Man's son is a great twist.
*> Besides, I think it was a worse travesty killing off poor
*> Queequag(something like that). I'll be holding my breath til Fall.
*>
*>
*
* I don't think it is ever revealed that Cancer Man was Mulder's
*father. All that is known is that Cancer Man had an affair with Mulder's
*mother. He even remembers the kid's (Fox and Samantha) being around.
I think that the line where cancer man says "[something about him better
than mulder senior at water sking] but that could be said about soo many
thing couldn't it." was a definate hint. Also what was the cause of the
divorce? Why did mulder's mom want to saty out of the house? Maybe because
it held such memories of her and smoking man and betrayal?
I think that smoking man has a history where he used to be a nice guy and
then turned into the heartless deamon that his is today, it would be
interesting to know more about what he was like before his transformation.
ssr...@mail.colum.edu
> I think that smoking man has a history where he used to be a nice guy and
> then turned into the heartless deamon that his is today, it would be
> interesting to know more about what he was like before his transformation.
Remember when they showed a circa 1944 scene with Mulder's dad and CancerGuy?
It was when the oily creature escaped the ocean through the deep sea salvager.
CM's been a badass for a LONG time.
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jwhi...@dune.wolfenet.com (Alamar Sheltem) wrote:
There's another possibility. The fact that Jeremiah took on the Senior
Mulder's personna presents the possibility that Mulder Sr. wasn't
human. Either Fox isn't human, or C-Man is his dad.
mike.
CHRIS DINARDO
I would like to know where you got the idea from that episode. I think
it's alot more obious in the season finale
David Haines
Tony R. Boies (tbo...@shentel.com) wrote:
: In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.96051...@deneb.csustan.edu>,
: Erik Dube <ed...@deneb.csustan.edu> wrote:
: > I don't think it is ever revealed that Cancer Man was Mulder's
: > father. All that is known is that Cancer Man had an affair with Mulder's
: > mother. He even remembers the kid's (Fox and Samantha) being around.
: There's a better chance that Cancer Man is Samantha's father
: Tony R. Boies
Agreed, thats why when Bill Mulder had to make a "choice" of either
fox or sam, he picked sam because he suspected she wasn't his. plus
CSM would be more likely to look after her (since she is his) than a
kid that isn't his.
Guy Streatfeild
thats good but then again in anisazi CSM says to Mulder's dad
that he has been protecting him so... there is an equal chance!
;-)
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pis...@onr.com
It's also a way for Bill to "get back at" Cancer Man, by sacrificing
Samantha to an "experiment".
Mary Mitchell
No togetherness here please!!!!
beHwIav)
Ooh, yeah, go on get Cancer, try and kill Mulder see if I care,
traitor.(c;{{{ [ beHwI"av also lights up.]
Qapla'
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It's incredible to find this thread from 1996!
It's exactly 20 years later. It struck me that our entire lives are going to be documented like this from now on.
I am rewatching the X-Files, and as I Googled "is mulder Cigarette Smoking Man's son", this was one of the first hits.
So kudos, some exceptional '96 SEO there.
Avon
im> I just wanted to say hi from the future.
im>
im> It's incredible to find this thread from 1996!
im>
im> It's exactly 20 years later. It struck me that our entire lives are
im> going to be documented like this from now on.
Welcome back :)