4/28/2006's Smallville, in L.A., not in HDTV?
ANT...@zimage.com
it was postponed a day later due to a Los Angeles/L.A. Clippers playoff game.
Thank you in advance. :)
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Sam Spade
> Was it me or was KTLA 5 (channel 31; D2) not showing Smallville episode in HDTV (1080i) format? I know
> it was postponed a day later due to a Los Angeles/L.A. Clippers playoff game.
>
> Thank you in advance. :)
This happens from time-to-time, when someone at the station forgets to
throw the switch.
I've seen it with Law and Order, with Letterman, and with Leno. I've
seen it after returning from commercial and at other times for the
entire program. It even happened briefly last fall with the Nortre Dame
USC football game.
ANT...@zimage.com
Man, that's frustrating. Also, I noticed everything looked squished too. :(
I wrote to KTLA about this.
Norm
play it out at a later time in HD. In other words when a local station
records an HD network program to broadcast at a later date, they probably
record the SD feed and play it out in SD. Most stations can pass it but
can't origiate HD. That is slowly changing though. That is probably why your
Smallville was in SD.
Norm
ANT...@zimage.com
Can you define local affliates please? I assume living east of L.A. would be using Hollywood's KTLA 5. According
to http://www.antennaweb.org/ ... it is less than 20 miles NW (327 degrees of where I am. I consider
L.A./Hollywood be a major affliate. Or am I wrong?
A note. I am using one of those 30 miles bowtie antennae for digital feeds.
Norm
They receive it from the net via satellite and send it out. KTLA for
instance is a local affiliate in LA. They receive WB programs from NYC or
where ever the network is located, and usually just punch them up on a
switcher and send them to you as they get them. If they decide to delay the
program, they have to record it and play it back out. Chances are they don't
have an HD VTR, Server, or technical infastructure (however you spell it)
to be able to re-send you the stuff in HD. It's is still very expensive for
local stations to be able to do that. You have too sometimes re-build a
bunch of your technical plant to be able to pull off that small feat. Are
you talking you weren't receiving the KTLA digital signal at all, or just
that your program wasn't in actual HD?
Norm
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G-squared
Norm wrote:
> A local affiliate is a local TV station that carries a networks programming.
> They receive it from the net via satellite and send it out. KTLA for
> instance is a local affiliate in LA. They receive WB programs from NYC or
> where ever the network is located, and usually just punch them up on a
> switcher and send them to you as they get them. If they decide to delay the
> program, they have to record it and play it back out. Chances are they don't
> have an HD VTR, Server, or technical infastructure (however you spell it)
> to be able to re-send you the stuff in HD. It's is still very expensive for
> local stations to be able to do that. You have too sometimes re-build a
> bunch of your technical plant to be able to pull off that small feat. Are
> you talking you weren't receiving the KTLA digital signal at all, or just
> that your program wasn't in actual HD?
> Norm
>
Norm, KTLA is a WB O&O . Their coverage of the rose parade is the best
you'll ever see. Trust me, they HAVE the best HD VTRs and equipment you
can get. They are definitely NOT the local yokels. On January 22, they
completed 59 years on the air.
You can read about them here.
http://ktla.trb.com/about/station/ktla-about-history1,0,2611296.htmlstory?coll=ktla-station-4
GG
ANT...@zimage.com
KTLA's facts (too technical for me):
http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?call=KTLA-TV
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KTLA-TV_Tower
http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/AsrSearch/asrRegistration.jsp?regKey=614878
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=34.226667,++-118.065556+(KTLA-TV+Transmitter)&t=k&iwloc=A&hl=en
"What reason, like the careful ant, draws laboriously together, the wind of accident sometimes collects in a moment." --Friedrich von Schiller
ANT...@zimage.com
> http://ktla.trb.com/about/station/ktla-about-history1,0,2611296.htmlstory?coll=ktla-station-4
G^2: What does O&O mean?
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Matthew L. Martin
> In alt.tv.tech.hdtv G-squared <stra...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>> http://ktla.trb.com/about/station/ktla-about-history1,0,2611296.htmlstory?coll=ktla-station-4
>
> G^2: What does O&O mean?
Owned and Operated.
Matthew
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>
>>Norm, KTLA is a WB O&O . Their coverage of the rose parade is the best
>>you'll ever see. Trust me, they HAVE the best HD VTRs and equipment you
>>can get. They are definitely NOT the local yokels. On January 22, they
>>completed 59 years on the air.
>>You can read about them here.
I lived in the LA market area and was 10 years old when KTLA went on the
air. They truely were the pioneers, especially in remote telecasting.
I visted a few of those remote setups when they were doing live
telecasts in the early day. It was quite a feat.
Remember Kathy Fiscus?
Del Mibbler
>
>>Norm, KTLA is a WB O&O . Their coverage of the rose parade is the best
>>you'll ever see. Trust me, they HAVE the best HD VTRs and equipment you
>>can get. They are definitely NOT the local yokels. On January 22, they
>>completed 59 years on the air.
In my area, WRGB has been around in one form or another for 78 years.
They claim to be the oldest TV station in the world. But neither they
nor any other station here has the ability to record and play network
shows in HD. Also, I've seen SD repeats of HD shows from the network
(happens sometimes with Leno). Of course it could be that the local
station took the wrong source.
The point is that longevity does not guarantee the latest hardware.
OK, KTLA has originated some HD shows. Do they do so on a regular
basis? Is their local news in HD, or any other show they produce at
least weekly? If not, they probably rent the equipment for the
specials. Or just hire a production house and put their name on it.
Even if they own the hardware to delay network in HD, they might not
want to use it for that. Whatever their capabilities, it's pretty
obvious that in this instance (a delayed broadcast of Smallville,
IIRC) they chose to do it in SD.
Del Mibbler
G-squared
I was reading about WRGB last year and their interesting history but
you can't really compare market 2 with market 55. I remember an SBE
meeting in Milwaukee many years ago when I worked at a Madison station
and Milwaukee were the 'big boys'. At the time we went 'OOOH'
Then I moved to LA and worked at ABC network and got to look around at
some stations in LA. 'OOOH' out here is on a totally different scale.
While KTLA might rent some gear for the rose parade, I'm sure they have
what they need for daily needs. The O&Os have a little deeper pockets
than the locals.
GG
ANT...@zimage.com
> ANT...@zimage.com wrote:
> > In alt.tv.tech.hdtv G-squared <stra...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> http://ktla.trb.com/about/station/ktla-about-history1,0,2611296.htmlstory?coll=ktla-station-4
> >
> > G^2: What does O&O mean?
> Owned and Operated.
Thanks. :)
ANT...@zimage.com
> Was it me or was KTLA 5 (channel 31; D2) not showing Smallville episode in HDTV (1080i) format? I know
> it was postponed a day later due to a Los Angeles/L.A. Clippers playoff game.
> Thank you in advance. :)
I got a reply from KTLA 5 management about its last episode not being in HD on Friday night.
Basically, they had technical problems:
Dear Ant,
Thank you for your email. KTLA broadcast a Clippers playoff game on
Thursday, 4/27 which caused us to preempt and move regularly scheduled WB
network programming on Thursday and Friday nights. Because of the lineup
changes, we needed to record the WB primetime shows Monday through Friday
so that we could change out the network's promos that made reference to
"Thursday" and "Friday" when promoting those shows. Ordinarily we would
record the HD feed, fix the promos and rebroadcast as an HD feed.
However, due to technical problems, we were unable to do this last week
and that is why your shows were not broadcast in the usual HD format. We
have no games planned for this current week, so you should notice things
back to normal.
Sincerely,
KTLA Programming
I hope this doesn't happen again since Clippers are still in NBA playoffs. ;)
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Great Caesar's Ghost
definitely NOT the local yokels. On January 22, they completed 59 years
on the air>>
You can't judge a station's expertise and infrastructure based on it's
age and experience. Our local NBC affiliate (KOB) has been broadcasting
since September 13, 1948, and they have this exact same problem with HD
network feeds. On Monday through Thursday, they broadcast the Tonight
show in 1080i at 10:35pm. On Friday, they delay it by 10 minutes in
order to run an extra sports show, and it invariably is broadcast in
480i format. When I complained about this, they told me that they don't
have the capability to delay HD broadcasts - they can only pass along
the network feed, if it is available.
John Cowart
G-squared
I'm sure Albuquerque-Santa Fe market 46 is a wonderful place but it
isn't LA. I worked in market 85 and visited market 33 and there was
quite a difference but after I worked in market 2 there is no
comparison at all. They have the gear but even the big boys sometimes
have 'technical difficulties'. In case you missed it---
Dear Ant,
Sincerely,
KTLA Programming
GG
BucketButt
HDTV requires replacing practically every bit of equipment that
handles a TV station's signal; right now demand for the new gear
greatly exceeds the manufacturers' ability to produce it, and even the
most prestigious stations have had a hard time obtaining and
installing replacements for every piece of equipment. First priority
always goes to live on-air operations, such as those highly profitable
local sports broadcasts; so the Clippers game may have tied up all of
the station's HD-capable video-recording equipment for instant
replays, slo-mo, commercials, etc. That would mean the station had no
choice but to record the WB network feed (which comes at the same time
the game is being played) on older, standard-definition equipment.
This problem is likely to continue for at least two more years in some
markets, although I'd think the major-market stations (including KTLA)
got their orders in before stations in some smaller markets.
What I'm saying is, the "technical problems" KTLA referred to might be
nothing more than a shortage of HD-capable equipment. This wouldn't
be a problem as long as the network feed and a sports event didn't
occur at the same time; but until the station can replace *all* of its
equipment, delayed broadcasts may continue to air in standard
definition.
Norm
it was but, maybe their technical difficulties were that they can't turn HD
stuff around.
Norm
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