Green Lantern movie actually pretty good
Martin Phipps
Catwoman, Superman Returns, The Incredible Hulk, Thor, Wolverine or
the Green Hornet. It's not as good as the Singer X-Men movies, the
Nolan Batman movies, the Raimi Spiderman movies, the Superman movie
from 1978 or Iron Man. It's about on par with Ghost Rider, Daredevil
or Ang Lee's Hulk, all of which were movies that some people liked but
a lot of people didn't.
SPOILERS
Hal Jordan wakes up to a woman who looks like she was cloned from
Scarlet Johansen's DNA. This was a bad move on the director's part.
Most movie critics have gone for years without getting any so it is
not a good idea to remind them that the star of this movie has had
booty you can only wish you had.
The movie then goes on to rip off scenes from Top Gun, The Right Stuff
and Iron Man and the audience is left bored. I mean, what's the
point? Why re-enact scenes from other movies? We cam here to see the
Green Lantern not some youtube mash-up of exciting scenes from old
action movies. Well, it turns out there was a point. More on this
later.
Finally Hal is given the ring. Finally Hal speaks the oath and
charges the ring. Finally he goes to Oa. If it seems like the movie
is dragging that's because it is.
Then Hal quits being a lantern. Do they say "Okay then give us back
the ring"? No, he goes back to Earth with the ring. Turns out that
being selected by the ring is akin to being selected by the Goblet of
Fire: you don't have a choice. There's some suggestion that the ring
is controlling Hal (his eyes go blank when he recites the oath) so the
ring could have forced him to stay on Oa if it wanted to. Apparently
he got the training he needed.
Cue scene in which hero saves the girl. The girl then recognizes
Hal. Hal then explains that he is now a "Space cop... except I
quit". The girls asks why. Turns out that Hal is afraid. The girl
tells Hal that he doesn't have to worry about being afraid, that
courage is all about facing fear and overcoming it.
Hal then flies off and whoops ass and all the times when Hal was
afraid and we were wondering what the point was suddenly made sense.
The movie dragged because Hal didn't put on a ring and whoop ass: he
had to deal with the fact that he was afraid even though he told
people he wasn't. But a movie about a guy putting on a ring and
whooping ass would have been 42 minutes long. Hell, throw in Tom
Welling as Clark Kent and it could have been a Smallville episode.
It's better than the Fantastic Four because Dr. Hammond and Parallax
were better villains than Dr. Doom and Galactus. It's better than
Superman Returns because the CGI was better which meant that Parallax
looked heavy and not just a puff of smoke. It's better than the
Incredible Hulk because it took itself seriously. It's better than
Thor because Green Lantern saved the world and not just a small town.
It's better than Wolverine or Green Hornet because Hal was always a
decent person. But it's not as good as the Singer X-Men movies, the
Nolan Batman movies, the Raimi Spiderman movies, the Superman movie
from 1978 or Iron Man because none of those movies dragged as much as
this did. The movie had a good payoff but I wonder how many people
around the world just got up and left half way through and didn't get
their money's worth.
Martin
Not.A.Maltisian
<martin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Let me explain. It's better than the Fantastic Four movies, Elektra,
>Catwoman, Superman Returns, The Incredible Hulk, Thor, Wolverine or
>the Green Hornet. It's not as good as the Singer X-Men movies, the
>Nolan Batman movies, the Raimi Spiderman movies, the Superman movie
>from 1978 or Iron Man. It's about on par with Ghost Rider, Daredevil
>or Ang Lee's Hulk, all of which were movies that some people liked but
>a lot of people didn't.
>
Aaaaaaaaaa, Daredevil? Elektra, ok.
>SPOILERS
>
>Hal Jordan wakes up to a woman who looks like she was cloned from
>Scarlet Johansen's DNA. This was a bad move on the director's part.
>Most movie critics have gone for years without getting any so it is
>not a good idea to remind them that the star of this movie has had
>booty you can only wish you had.
>
>The movie then goes on to rip off scenes from Top Gun, The Right Stuff
>and Iron Man and the audience is left bored. I mean, what's the
>point? Why re-enact scenes from other movies? We cam here to see the
>Green Lantern not some youtube mash-up of exciting scenes from old
>action movies. Well, it turns out there was a point. More on this
>later.
>
>Finally Hal is given the ring. Finally Hal speaks the oath
Your killing me.
If you have ever looked at any of the older GL stuff with Hal.
He invented the oath, it's three parts that recounts his experiences
as a GL on earth long after he goes to OA and you don't need to say it
to charge the ring, he sez he says it to kill time to judge how long
it takes to recharge the ring.
OK, the people who made this thing are shoving the oath down your
throat just like in Emerald Knights (The cartoon) that came out a
couple weeks back.
Someone at AOL, Time Warner, DC comics apparently has a bonner for it.
Showcase Presents GL Vol.1 P336?
Can't find my copy to look it up.
>and
>charges the ring. Finally he goes to Oa. If it seems like the movie
>is dragging that's because it is.
>
>Then Hal quits being a lantern.
I might be wrong, but I don't think he ever quit in the comics, I
think he was running around with a bonner just looking at the ring.
Is Pie Face in this?
Probably not, He's not politically correct.
>Do they say "Okay then give us back the ring"?
>No, he goes back to Earth with the ring. Turns out that
>being selected by the ring is akin to being selected by the Goblet of
>Fire: you don't have a choice. There's some suggestion that the ring
>is controlling Hal (his eyes go blank when he recites the oath) so the
>ring could have forced him to stay on Oa if it wanted to. Apparently
>he got the training he needed.
>
>Cue scene in which hero saves the girl. The girl then recognizes
>Hal. Hal then explains that he is now a "Space cop... except I
>quit". The girls asks why. Turns out that Hal is afraid. The girl
>tells Hal that he doesn't have to worry about being afraid, that
>courage is all about facing fear and overcoming it.
>
Excuse me while I hurl.
Sounds a little like Kyle Rayner, he was running around trying to
prove to people he was a super hero when he didn't feel like he was.
>Hal then flies off and whoops ass and all the times when Hal was
>afraid and we were wondering what the point was suddenly made sense.
>
>The movie dragged because Hal didn't put on a ring and whoop ass: he
>had to deal with the fact that he was afraid even though he told
>people he wasn't.
Sounds like Cluck not wanting to be Super guy.
>But a movie about a guy putting on a ring and
>whooping ass would have been 42 minutes long. Hell, throw in Tom
>Welling as Clark Kent and it could have been a Smallville episode.
>
That's too much information.
>It's better than the Fantastic Four because Dr. Hammond and Parallax
Found a review that sez the whole thing is supposed to be inspired by
Emerald Dawn, but in that comic, the bad thing was Legion not
Parallax.
Oh well, guess I'm just too old.
>were better villains than Dr. Doom and Galactus. It's better than
>Superman Returns because the CGI was better which meant that Parallax
>looked heavy and not just a puff of smoke. It's better than the
>Incredible Hulk because it took itself seriously. It's better than
>Thor because Green Lantern saved the world and not just a small town.
>It's better than Wolverine or Green Hornet because Hal was always a
>decent person.
The problem with Green Hornet is Seth Rogen, he did a real hatchet job
on Britt Reid, he made him look like an idiot.
>But it's not as good as the Singer X-Men movies, the
>Nolan Batman movies, the Raimi Spiderman movies, the Superman movie
>from 1978 or Iron Man because none of those movies dragged as much as
>this did. The movie had a good payoff but I wonder how many people
>around the world just got up and left half way through and didn't get
>their money's worth.
>
>Martin
Looking at the credits, it took five refugees to think up this story
line and I'll bet none of them have ever seen a GL comic.
I'm not role playing anymore.
Martin Phipps
<Not.A.Maltis...@OA.planet.none.com.org.biz.exe.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 21:29:13 -0700 (PDT), Martin Phipps
>
> >Then Hal quits being a lantern.
>
> I might be wrong, but I don't think he ever quit in the comics,
Yeah, well, this is what he said.
HAL: "I quit."
SINESTRO: "The ring chose you."
HAL: "Then the ring chose wrong."
Even when he was given the ring he had a talk with his friend that
went like this.
HAL:"He said it was an honor and a responsibility."
PAL: "Maybe on his planet responsibility means asshole."
HAL: "I hope so."
> >The movie dragged because Hal didn't put on a ring and whoop ass: he
> >had to deal with the fact that he was afraid even though he told
> >people he wasn't.
>
> Sounds like Cluck not wanting to be Super guy.
Oh there was a bit of a homage to that. Tomar Re was training Hal and
says "Now we fly". Hal says "I can do that" and then he falls face
first. It's a good thing he wasn't Clark because then he wouldn't
have learned to fly until the fourth movie.
Martin
Not.A.Maltisian
<martin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Jun 19, 1:18�pm, Not.A.Maltisian
><Not.A.Maltis...@OA.planet.none.com.org.biz.exe.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 21:29:13 -0700 (PDT), Martin Phipps
>>
>> <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> >Then Hal quits being a lantern. �
>>
>> I might be wrong, but I don't think he ever quit in the comics,
>
>Yeah, well, this is what he said.
>
>HAL: "I quit."
>SINESTRO: "The ring chose you."
>HAL: "Then the ring chose wrong."
>
>Even when he was given the ring he had a talk with his friend that
>went like this.
>
>HAL:"He said it was an honor and a responsibility."
>PAL: "Maybe on his planet responsibility means asshole."
>HAL: "I hope so."
>
I keep forgetting, this is a live action movie, not a comic book, they
do what they want to.
Like with comic book science and Illudium Phosdex or Unobtainium or
Nerdium.
Or flying a Dyson sphere through the sun and not getting a sun tan, or
dying.
>> >The movie dragged because Hal didn't put on a ring and whoop ass: he
>> >had to deal with the fact that he was afraid even though he told
>> >people he wasn't. �
>>
>> Sounds like Cluck not wanting to be Super guy.
>
>Oh there was a bit of a homage to that. Tomar Re was training Hal
Interesting, in the comics, Sinestro is Hal's training person.
> and says "Now we fly". Hal says "I can do that" and then he falls face
>first. It's a good thing he wasn't Clark because then he wouldn't
>have learned to fly until the fourth movie.
>
>Martin
I'm not role playing anymore.
BC
It is better than all those movies except Thor which had better dialog.
GL's dialog was juvenile.
The villain in GL was pathetic even if the CGI was better than any dust
cloud that came before. The villain wasn't really a character unless you
count the infected doc who was really just a puppet of the yellow power
(cloud). (Green power/yellow power -- can we all say "stupid?")
Superman Returns had better effects. Why? Because in SR the CGI was mostly
of real familiar objects whereas in GL it is mostly space, planets, guys in
skin tight suits swooping around and of course a dust cloud.
GL took the place of the "Greatest" lantern but we couldn't know that
because we only saw him run from the cloud and he spoke little.
On another note -- so all those alien societies developed along the same
lines -- they all had a word for a railroad lantern including the "bee"
alien I guess..
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Tim Turnip
<Not.A.M...@OA.planet.none.com.org.biz.exe.net> wrote:
>I might be wrong, but I don't think he ever quit in the comics...
You're definitely wrong. Hal quit the Corps here:
http://www.comics.org/issue/39153/cover/4/
It stuck for a while. John Stewart took over for Hal for an extended
period and Hal sat out the entire Crisis on Infinite Earths.
>Is Pie Face in this?
>
>Probably not, He's not politically correct.
Only the nickname is politically incorrect. Having a smart, brave and
resourceful Inuit as a best friend and sidekick would have been quite
politically correct.
Christopher M.
"Not.A.Maltisian" <Not.A.M...@OA.planet.none.com.org.biz.exe.net> wrote
in message news:7ovqv6lmb9vj3hhtm...@4ax.com...
I know Ryan Reynolds insisted on not making changes to the original oath.
W. Pooh (AKA Winnie P.).
ruben safir
> The movie had a good payoff but I wonder how many people around the
> world just got up and left half way through and didn't get their money's
> worth.
Nobody. Nobody walked out of the theater with this movie. In fact, last
night everyone clapped and roared at the end of the movie and nobody
wanted to leave. They were ready for the sequel.
Ruben
ruben safir
>>Finally Hal is given the ring. Finally Hal speaks the oath
>
> Your killing me.
>
> If you have ever looked at any of the older GL stuff with Hal.
Blah blah blah blah
Get over it. It's a movie. If was a lot of fun to watch. You skipped
your meds again
Not.A.Maltisian
wrote:
>On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:18:31 -0700, Not.A.Maltisian
><Not.A.M...@OA.planet.none.com.org.biz.exe.net> wrote:
>>I might be wrong, but I don't think he ever quit in the comics...
>
>You're definitely wrong. Hal quit the Corps here:
>
>http://www.comics.org/issue/39153/cover/4/
>
Perhaps I should rephrase this, I don't think Hal quit when he first
got the ring, perhaps days, weeks, months, years later he did, but at
first he's in to it.
>It stuck for a while. John Stewart took over for Hal for an extended
>period and Hal sat out the entire Crisis on Infinite Earths.
>
>>Is Pie Face in this?
>>
>>Probably not, He's not politically correct.
>
>Only the nickname is politically incorrect. Having a smart, brave and
>resourceful Inuit as a best friend and sidekick would have been quite
>politically correct.
I'm not role playing anymore.
Lilith
>On another note -- so all those alien societies developed along the same
>lines -- they all had a word for a railroad lantern including the "bee"
>alien I guess..
Always a gripe of mine when it comes to sci-fi/fantasy writers.
Cultural references are always understood and puns are recoginized by
all races despite the fact that the languages are so vastly different.
Power rings as joke interpreters.
--
Lilith
BC
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There were all of ten or so people in the theater for opening day matinee --
the lower section completely empty -- two adolescents next to me talked most
of the way through the film. But no one left including me. It takes a lot
for me to walk out of a film -- I've done it twice. GL had some nice scenes
but there is a spot where it is just too long and should be trimmed. Also
the dust cloud villain isn't enough of a REAL threat so the writers had the
yellow power "infect" Hector Hammond so that a REAL person could be a threat
to GL's girl. Someone always has to threaten the hero's girlfriend -- it's
a part of the juvenile theme.
Dune was a film that I thought was long and boring in the theater but now
I've come to like it and have seen it a few times and have the DVD. I doubt
that GL will go on a "must have" list for DVD. Batman Begins, SR, the first
two X-Men were on the list. Spiderman didn't make the cut. On the
superhero theme I do like Hancock, My Super Ex-Girlfriend and Mystery Men.
Desireless
"BC" <bcph...@att.net> wrote in message news:itqinf$18j$1...@dont-email.me...
> Dune was a film that I thought was long and boring in the theater but now
> I've come to like it and have seen it a few times and have the DVD. I
> doubt that GL will go on a "must have" list for DVD. Batman Begins, SR,
> the first two X-Men were on the list. Spiderman didn't make the cut. On
> the superhero theme I do like Hancock, My Super Ex-Girlfriend and Mystery
> Men.
Love Mystery Men, a totally underrated flick. Which reminds me, there
was a recent Smallville episode with a superhero similar to Captain Amazing,
advertising
plastered all over himself (Pepsi etc).
Ruben Safir
> There were all of ten or so people in the theater for opening day
> matinee -- the lower section completely empty -- two adolescents next to
> me talked most of the way through the film. But no one left including
> me. It takes a lot for me to walk out of a film -- I've done it twice.
> GL had some nice scenes but there is a spot where it is just too long
> and should be trimmed. Also the dust cloud villain isn't enough of a
> REAL threat so the writers had the yellow power "infect" Hector Hammond
> so that a REAL person could be a threat to GL's girl. Someone always
> has to threaten the hero's girlfriend -- it's a part of the juvenile
> theme.
So you missed the part were everyone clapped at the end?
I'm sorry for you.
Ruben
Ruben Safir
> . Also
> the dust cloud villain isn't enough of a REAL threat so the writers had
> the yellow power "infect" Hector Hammond so that a REAL person could be
> a threat to GL's girl. Someone always has to threaten the hero's
> girlfriend -- it's a part of the juvenile theme.
I'm also glad you were there when they wrote the script so that your
aware of how it was written.
Ruben
Arthur Lipscomb
> "BC"<bcph...@att.net> wrote in message news:itqinf$18j$1...@dont-email.me...
>
>> Dune was a film that I thought was long and boring in the theater but now
>> I've come to like it and have seen it a few times and have the DVD.
I saw Dune when I was kid. I had no knowledge of Dune prior to my first
experience watching it on video. I was blown away by what I saw. I was
so blown away that I wanted to immediately watch it again. And since I
didn't know how to properly work a VCR at the time, I held the rewind
button and rewound the entire movie with the screen blurring backwards
so I could get to the beginning and see it again.
I
>> doubt that GL will go on a "must have" list for DVD. Batman Begins, SR,
>> the first two X-Men were on the list. Spiderman didn't make the cut. On
>> the superhero theme I do like Hancock, My Super Ex-Girlfriend
I think I only saw My Super Ex-Girlfriend once. I remember either not
liking it or not having much of an opinion about it. But since then
I've developed a very strong urge to see it again.
and Mystery
>> Men.
>
> Love Mystery Men, a totally underrated flick.
I *liked* Mystery Men and agree it is underrated. But it frustrates me
to no end due to it's missed opportunity to be so much better.
First Jeffrey Rush was horribly miscast or at least he didn't bring
anything to the role. He should have been more menacing and presented a
true threat for the Mystery Men to overcome.
For example, I would have had Captain Amazing allow himself to be
captured due to his overconfidence and just as he's expecting Casanova
Frankenstein to put him in an overcompliated yet easily escapable death
trap and explain his entire plan to him first, Casanova Frankenstein
should have just killed him on the spot.
See Kick-Ass for a near perfect example of how to do a Superhero movie
with Superheroes that don't have real powers.
Which reminds me, there
> was a recent Smallville episode with a superhero similar to Captain Amazing,
> advertising
> plastered all over himself (Pepsi etc).
>
>
Booster Gold
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booster_gold
Martin Phipps
Were you at a theater where Ryan Reynolds showed up in person? I have
never been to a movie where people clapped at the end. What's the
point? Is the projectionist going to come out and take a bow?
Martin
Martin Phipps
The movie finished in under two hours so to say that even Hector
Hammond wasn't a big enough threat would be a valid criticism. By the
same token, the Joker was a big threat in The Dark Knight in that it
took the whole movie to defeat him. Meanwhile this movie also covered
GL origin and Batman's origin was also covered in Batman Begins.
Of course, by this argument, Lex Luthor is a pretty big threat because
he's been in four Superman movies already plus the Lois and Clark and
Smallville series. Of course, if Lex Luthor truly were the threat
Parallax was then Superman would be legally, if not morally, justified
in (spoiler) dropping Lex Luthor into the sun. :)
Martin
Anim8rFSK
Arthur Lipscomb <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
> On 6/22/2011 12:33 AM, Desireless wrote:
> > "BC"<bcph...@att.net> wrote in message news:itqinf$18j$1...@dont-email.me...
> >
> >> Dune was a film that I thought was long and boring in the theater but now
> >> I've come to like it and have seen it a few times and have the DVD.
>
> I saw Dune when I was kid. I had no knowledge of Dune prior to my first
> experience watching it on video. I was blown away by what I saw. I was
> so blown away that I wanted to immediately watch it again. And since I
> didn't know how to properly work a VCR at the time, I held the rewind
> button and rewound the entire movie with the screen blurring backwards
> so I could get to the beginning and see it again.
I did the same thing, but I was hoping to suck it back out of my brain.
:)
>
>
> I
> >> doubt that GL will go on a "must have" list for DVD. Batman Begins, SR,
> >> the first two X-Men were on the list. Spiderman didn't make the cut. On
> >> the superhero theme I do like Hancock, My Super Ex-Girlfriend
>
> I think I only saw My Super Ex-Girlfriend once. I remember either not
> liking it or not having much of an opinion about it. But since then
> I've developed a very strong urge to see it again.
>
>
> and Mystery
> >> Men.
> >
> > Love Mystery Men, a totally underrated flick.
>
> I *liked* Mystery Men and agree it is underrated. But it frustrates me
> to no end due to it's missed opportunity to be so much better.
Like if they'd actually paid attention to the source material. For
instance, IIRC, the comics Shoveler weilded the enchanted shovel of King
Arthur (which, even if not effective in combat, is still clever and
funny) and the guy in the movie was ... just some idiot with a shovel.
>
> First Jeffrey Rush was horribly miscast or at least he didn't bring
> anything to the role. He should have been more menacing and presented a
> true threat for the Mystery Men to overcome.
>
> For example, I would have had Captain Amazing allow himself to be
> captured due to his overconfidence and just as he's expecting Casanova
> Frankenstein to put him in an overcompliated yet easily escapable death
> trap and explain his entire plan to him first, Casanova Frankenstein
> should have just killed him on the spot.
>
> See Kick-Ass for a near perfect example of how to do a Superhero movie
> with Superheroes that don't have real powers.
>
>
> Which reminds me, there
> > was a recent Smallville episode with a superhero similar to Captain Amazing,
> > advertising
> > plastered all over himself (Pepsi etc).
> >
> >
>
> Booster Gold
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booster_gold
--
"Please, I can't die, I've never kissed an Asian woman!"
Shego on "Shat My Dad Says"
Carrot Top-El
The OP allegedly once took a creative writing class at a local
community college, and therefore is an expert in all forms of
writing. There is some talent there, his autobiography entitled "I
Have My Head Up My Ass" is actually a good read.
BC
"Arthur Lipscomb" <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote in message
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> On 6/22/2011 12:33 AM, Desireless wrote:
>> "BC"<bcph...@att.net> wrote in message
>> news:itqinf$18j$1...@dont-email.me...
>>
>>> Dune was a film that I thought was long and boring in the theater but
>>> now
>>> I've come to like it and have seen it a few times and have the DVD.
>
> I saw Dune when I was kid. I had no knowledge of Dune prior to my first
> experience watching it on video. I was blown away by what I saw. I was
> so blown away that I wanted to immediately watch it again. And since I
> didn't know how to properly work a VCR at the time, I held the rewind
> button and rewound the entire movie with the screen blurring backwards so
> I could get to the beginning and see it again.
I had read the novel years before so maybe the film was a disappointment due
to it not matching what I had envisioned. Then years later I started liking
it having forgotten the novel.
>
>
> I
>>> doubt that GL will go on a "must have" list for DVD. Batman Begins, SR,
>>> the first two X-Men were on the list. Spiderman didn't make the cut.
>>> On
>>> the superhero theme I do like Hancock, My Super Ex-Girlfriend
>
> I think I only saw My Super Ex-Girlfriend once. I remember either not
> liking it or not having much of an opinion about it. But since then I've
> developed a very strong urge to see it again.
I'll watch Uma anything.
>
>
> and Mystery
>>> Men.
>>
>> Love Mystery Men, a totally underrated flick.
>
> I *liked* Mystery Men and agree it is underrated. But it frustrates me to
> no end due to it's missed opportunity to be so much better.
>
> First Jeffrey Rush was horribly miscast or at least he didn't bring
> anything to the role. He should have been more menacing and presented a
> true threat for the Mystery Men to overcome.
Well the film was a spoof and making CF more realistically vile would have
moved the film away from being a spoof.
>
> For example, I would have had Captain Amazing allow himself to be captured
> due to his overconfidence and just as he's expecting Casanova Frankenstein
> to put him in an overcompliated yet easily escapable death trap and
> explain his entire plan to him first, Casanova Frankenstein should have
> just killed him on the spot.
>
> See Kick-Ass for a near perfect example of how to do a Superhero movie
> with Superheroes that don't have real powers.
Haven't seen it but I've heard this before -- maybe I'll catch it soon.
BC
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No one clapped -- all I heard was "ho-hum" -- really.
BC
*Does sound ridiculous. I don't think there are any projectionists anymore.
If something goes wrong with the film a person has to go out and complain to
attract attention.
BC
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I'm getting the idea that you are a simpleton. These hero films are nearly
all the same.
BC
On Jun 22, 4:39 pm, Ruben Safir <ru...@mrbrklyn.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:00:27 -0400, BC wrote:
> > . Also
> > the dust cloud villain isn't enough of a REAL threat so the writers had
> > the yellow power "infect" Hector Hammond so that a REAL person could be
> > a threat to GL's girl. Someone always has to threaten the hero's
> > girlfriend -- it's a part of the juvenile theme.
>
> I'm also glad you were there when they wrote the script so that your
> aware of how it was written.
The movie finished in under two hours so to say that even Hector
Hammond wasn't a big enough threat would be a valid criticism. By the
same token, the Joker was a big threat in The Dark Knight in that it
took the whole movie to defeat him. Meanwhile this movie also covered
GL origin and Batman's origin was also covered in Batman Begins.
*In Batman Begins, Scarecrow is like Hammond with the real threat being
Ducard.
BC
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*Or he could have read McKee's STORY or the SCREEN WRITER'S BIBLE or THE
POWER OF MYTH by Campbell. I'm sure you simpletons have read those in order
to make your astute judgements. And it wasn't a community college -- it was
a University.
*Even these juvenile Superhero stories have a structure and a pattern. The
screenplay has to follow a structure for the story development and flow. I
know the fans would like to see a 4-6 hour film but it won't happen. The
films are a certain length for a reason and the story must fit in that
space.
*The Hero is reluctant. The Hero has a weakness either physical or a
weakness for a person. The villain is devious, nearly mad and sees the Hero
as a threat to his goal. The villain neutralizes the Hero with a threat.
The Hero looks deeply at the moral issue -- save the loved one or humanity.
He chooses to save humanity. The villain then exploits the Hero's physical
weakness to make the Hero fall -- he must fall. The Hero reaches down deep
and pulls himself up to join in the final fight which he wins. GL is a
reluctant hero. He or a loved one must be threatened. He falls by doubting
his qualifications. The villain (mad immortal) exploits this weakness.
Then GL rises to join the fight but is rejected by the Lanterns. GL
marshalls his will and faces the threat alone and gives his all to win. He
is saved from death by his peers who realize he is the greatest of the
Lanterns (heroes). So that is why it was "Ho-Hum" for me since it followed
the same cookie-cutter pattern of these films.
*I suspect that many "fans" bring more to the film that what is really
there. They put themselves and their lives into the role of the Hero and
become the Hero in their mind, so any criticism of the film is taken as a
personal attack on themselves. All I can say is grow up.
Arthur Lipscomb
> "Arthur Lipscomb"<art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote in message
> news:itsunl$i0r$1...@dont-email.me...
>> On 6/22/2011 12:33 AM, Desireless wrote:
>>> "BC"<bcph...@att.net> wrote in message
>>> news:itqinf$18j$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>
>>>> Dune was a film that I thought was long and boring in the theater but
>>>> now
>>>> I've come to like it and have seen it a few times and have the DVD.
>>
>> I saw Dune when I was kid. I had no knowledge of Dune prior to my first
>> experience watching it on video. I was blown away by what I saw. I was
>> so blown away that I wanted to immediately watch it again. And since I
>> didn't know how to properly work a VCR at the time, I held the rewind
>> button and rewound the entire movie with the screen blurring backwards so
>> I could get to the beginning and see it again.
>
> I had read the novel years before so maybe the film was a disappointment due
> to it not matching what I had envisioned.
Movies are rarely as good as the book in the minds of people who have
read the book first. I am very happy I never read Dune prior to the
movie. Now I'm sort of in the mood to see Dune again. I might end up
watching it again in the next week or so.
Then years later I started liking
> it having forgotten the novel.
>
>>
>>
>> I
>>>> doubt that GL will go on a "must have" list for DVD. Batman Begins, SR,
>>>> the first two X-Men were on the list. Spiderman didn't make the cut.
>>>> On
>>>> the superhero theme I do like Hancock, My Super Ex-Girlfriend
>>
>> I think I only saw My Super Ex-Girlfriend once. I remember either not
>> liking it or not having much of an opinion about it. But since then I've
>> developed a very strong urge to see it again.
>
> I'll watch Uma anything.
>
>>
>>
>> and Mystery
>>>> Men.
>>>
>>> Love Mystery Men, a totally underrated flick.
>>
>> I *liked* Mystery Men and agree it is underrated. But it frustrates me to
>> no end due to it's missed opportunity to be so much better.
>>
>> First Jeffrey Rush was horribly miscast or at least he didn't bring
>> anything to the role. He should have been more menacing and presented a
>> true threat for the Mystery Men to overcome.
>
> Well the film was a spoof and making CF more realistically vile would have
> moved the film away from being a spoof.
>
That's no excuse. I'd rather watch a great serious movie than a
mediocre spoof. And I don't think the villain playing it straight
lessons the comedic effect. Often when the actor playing the villain is
hamming it up, it's because s/he has no respect for the material.
>>
>> For example, I would have had Captain Amazing allow himself to be captured
>> due to his overconfidence and just as he's expecting Casanova Frankenstein
>> to put him in an overcompliated yet easily escapable death trap and
>> explain his entire plan to him first, Casanova Frankenstein should have
>> just killed him on the spot.
>>
>> See Kick-Ass for a near perfect example of how to do a Superhero movie
>> with Superheroes that don't have real powers.
>
> Haven't seen it but I've heard this before -- maybe I'll catch it soon.
>
>>
No maybe about it. See it NOW!
Duggy
> THE POWER OF MYTH by Campbell.
You probably mean "The Hero's Journey" by Campbell as I hear there are
screenwriting manuals based on that.
"The Power of Myth" is an interview he did with Bill Moyers.
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Martin Phipps
> *Even these juvenile Superhero stories have a structure and a pattern. The
> screenplay has to follow a structure for the story development and flow. I
> know the fans would like to see a 4-6 hour film but it won't happen. The
> films are a certain length for a reason and the story must fit in that
> space.
Okay, what superhero movies have we had? Spiderman 1-3, X-Men,
Batman, Superman, Daredevil, Green Lantern, Hulk, Green Hornet,
Fantastic Four 1-2, Blade, Ghost Rider, Constantine, Elektra,
Catwoman, Ultraviolet
> *The Hero is reluctant.
Mostly. Spiderman didn't want to be Spiderman in Spiderman 2.
Wolverine didn't want to join the X-Men. Bruce Banner didn't want to
be the Hulk. Ben Grimm didn't want to be The Thing. Johnny Blade
sure as Hell didn't want his father to die, etc.
> The Hero has a weakness either physical or a
> weakness for a person.
Usually. Peter Parker was vulnerable when the Green Goblin knew his
identity: he went after both Aunt May and Mary Jane. Rogue wanted to
be "touched" by her boyfriend but that would kill him. Superman was
vulnerable to kryptonite. Daredevil was blind. Green Lantern was a
pussy. Green Hornet was an asshole.
> The villain is devious, nearly mad and sees the Hero
> as a threat to his goal.
The walking, talking villain, right? Not the dust cloud who wants to
destroy and Earth and Oa just because, right? Yeah, they're all nuts
except for, maybe, Magneto and the Kingpin. Dr. Doom and Lex Luthor
are nuts but not bat shit crazy like the Joker. The Joker doesn't
actually see Batman as a threat though: that's the difference between
the Joker and the Riddler; perhaps the Riddler hates Batman and wants
to keep him guessing but the Joker is just playing with him and is
actually pleased to see him survive so he can once again try to kill
him.
> The villain neutralizes the Hero with a threat.
That requires the villain to first learn the hero's weakness.
Arguably since Hal's weakness was his own fear, Parallax was arguably
expecting that to be his weakness and it was only Carol Ferris' pep
talk that saved the day.
> The Hero looks deeply at the moral issue -- save the loved one or humanity.
> He chooses to save humanity.
Usually. Although supposedly Peter Parker gets the girl at the end of
Spiderman 3. Who knows? Maybe that's the real reason for the reboot:
no superhero can be allowed to have sex, not even off camera. So no
Daredevil 2 (because Matt did it with Elektra, on screen even), no
Fantastic Four 3 (because Reed and Sue got married) and no X-Men 4
(because Bobby can chose between Kitty and Rogue and neither of them
will kill them, well at least not until they find out he's two timing
them). Seriously, look at any long running superhero movie franchise
and you'll see a guy who isn't getting any. It's sad.
> The villain then exploits the Hero's physical
> weakness to make the Hero fall -- he must fall.
"Why do we fall, Bruce?"
"So we learn to pick ourselves up."
> The Hero reaches down deep
> and pulls himself up to join in the final fight which he wins.
"Then I'll have to go stop Parallax myself."
"But you'll die."
"I have to try."
> GL is a
> reluctant hero. He or a loved one must be threatened. He falls by doubting
> his qualifications. The villain (mad immortal) exploits this weakness.
> Then GL rises to join the fight but is rejected by the Lanterns. GL
> marshalls his will and faces the threat alone and gives his all to win. He
> is saved from death by his peers who realize he is the greatest of the
> Lanterns (heroes). So that is why it was "Ho-Hum" for me since it followed
> the same cookie-cutter pattern of these films.
The same can be said of every single James Bond movie pre-Casino
Royale. There's a secret weapon that gets stolen. James Bond is
called in but he's busy with some woman and has to put his pants back
on. James Bond is briefed about the mission and then given some new
gadgets and a new car. James Bond flies off to some exotic locale and
gets in touch with the man who is suspected of being behind the
theft. Bond then sleeps with the man's head of security, secretary,
daughter, girlfriend, lover or wife. He gets the information. She is
killed by the villain. Bond is captured and brought to the secret
installation where the weapon is hidden away. The villain tells James
Bond his plan. The villain then tells his henchman to take Bond away
and have him killed. Some woman rescues him. Bond sets the secret
installation to blow up and has to escape before it does. He makes
love to the woman who helped him escape. The end.
> *I suspect that many "fans" bring more to the film that what is really
> there. They put themselves and their lives into the role of the Hero and
> become the Hero in their mind, so any criticism of the film is taken as a
> personal attack on themselves. All I can say is grow up.
I find the opposite. A lot of fans wanted Hal Jordan to step up and
whoop ass and then have the rest of the movie be a buddy film with him
and Sinestro whooping ass around the galaxy until Hal finally realizes
Sinestro is a bad guy whooping so much ass and Sinestro vows to
destroy him in the sequel. That's what fanboys wanted because it is
truer to the comics. Having Hal Jordan be a pussy is taken as a
personal insult to these fanboys who have read the comics all these
years. After all, if Hal Jordan is a pussy and Hal Jordan is the guy
they've wanted to be all these years then that's like saying they are
all pussies or, worse, that they aspire to be pussies and aren't even
worthy because Hal was the one the ring chose and not them.
Martin
Carrot Top-El
> "Carrot Top-El" <bigrot...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
As a simpleton, it's understandable that you completely forgot the
Ironman movies. Or maybe you just purposefully ignored them to be
deceptive.
Tony Stark is not reluctant, not making angst filled sacrifices, and
has a robust sex life. The Ironman movies disprove your simplistic
claim that all superhero films follow the same formula.
Not all the wisdom of the world is available from watching PBS or
reading books. Get out of the house and actually talk to some fans,
instead of just judging and labeling them. You have nothing to lose,
and just might learn something.
Christopher M.
I think it's fair to say that Tony Stark was reluctant. For years he was a
weapons dealer. He never gave much thought about the morality of that.
If you were the real Carrot Top, and not an imposter, you'd know that Tony
Stark was reluctant. Tony Stark was a weapons dealer. He only changed after
he was captured and had a catharsis.
W. Pooh (AKA Winnie P.)
mrbrklyn
Yeah - your a regular polster of GL viewers....NOT
BTW - HUGE FINANCIAL SUCCESS
http://blogs.forbes.com/markhughes/2011/06/24/what-do-green-lantern-and-harry-potter-tell-us-about-the-future-of-superhero-franchises/
mrbrklyn
> "Carrot Top-El" <bigrot...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
But he didn't and he is no screen writer, nor was he in the room.
He's a blabbering fucking idiot spousing random crap that he OBVIOSLY
has no knowledge of, let alone expertise.
Go see the movie and enjoy it.
Michael
> On Jun 23, 11:16 pm, "BC" <bcpho...@att.net> wrote:
>
>
>>*Even these juvenile Superhero stories have a structure and a pattern. The
>>screenplay has to follow a structure for the story development and flow. I
>>know the fans would like to see a 4-6 hour film but it won't happen. The
>>films are a certain length for a reason and the story must fit in that
>>space.
>
>
> Okay, what superhero movies have we had? Spiderman 1-3, X-Men,
> Batman, Superman, Daredevil, Green Lantern, Hulk, Green Hornet,
> Fantastic Four 1-2, Blade, Ghost Rider, Constantine, Elektra,
> Catwoman, Ultraviolet
Iron Man 1 & 2. Thor.
Ultraviolet? That was a superhero movie?
>> The villain is devious, nearly mad and sees the Hero
>>as a threat to his goal.
>
>
> The walking, talking villain, right? Not the dust cloud who wants to
> destroy and Earth and Oa just because, right?
I thought Parallax was going after Oa for revenge upon them for
imprisioning him and Earth because that where Abin Sur's ring was and it
was on the way and give him more power to hit Oa with.
> Yeah, they're all nuts
> except for, maybe, Magneto and the Kingpin. Dr. Doom and Lex Luthor
> are nuts but not bat shit crazy like the Joker. The Joker doesn't
> actually see Batman as a threat though: that's the difference between
> the Joker and the Riddler; perhaps the Riddler hates Batman and wants
> to keep him guessing but the Joker is just playing with him and is
> actually pleased to see him survive so he can once again try to kill
> him.
I didn't see Mephistopheles, Ra's Al Ghul, Abomination, Thunderbolt
Ross, Iron Monger, Whiplash, Justin Hammer, Loki, The Sandman, or
Stryker as nuts.
>> The villain neutralizes the Hero with a threat.
>
>
> That requires the villain to first learn the hero's weakness.
> Arguably since Hal's weakness was his own fear, Parallax was arguably
> expecting that to be his weakness and it was only Carol Ferris' pep
> talk that saved the day.
I came away from GL thinking that Hal's weakness at first was his
self-doubt/loathing more than anything else.
>>The Hero looks deeply at the moral issue -- save the loved one or humanity.
>>He chooses to save humanity.
>
>
> Usually. Although supposedly Peter Parker gets the girl at the end of
> Spiderman 3. Who knows? Maybe that's the real reason for the reboot:
> no superhero can be allowed to have sex, not even off camera. So no
> Daredevil 2 (because Matt did it with Elektra, on screen even), no
> Fantastic Four 3 (because Reed and Sue got married) and no X-Men 4
> (because Bobby can chose between Kitty and Rogue and neither of them
> will kill them, well at least not until they find out he's two timing
> them). Seriously, look at any long running superhero movie franchise
> and you'll see a guy who isn't getting any. It's sad.
Iron Man has had sex. And gotten a sequel.
Hal was worthy because the ring, given it's time limit (before Abin Sur
died) saw what he could be if/when he got past the block of his afraid
to admit fear and self-doubt.
Michael
Duggy
> Ultraviolet? That was a superhero movie?
It pretended that it was based on a comic book (fake covers by comic
book artists in the openning credits.)
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Martin Phipps
> Martin Phipps wrote:
> > On Jun 23, 11:16 pm, "BC" <bcpho...@att.net> wrote:
>
> >>*Even these juvenile Superhero stories have a structure and a pattern. The
> >>screenplay has to follow a structure for the story development and flow. I
> >>know the fans would like to see a 4-6 hour film but it won't happen. The
> >>films are a certain length for a reason and the story must fit in that
> >>space.
>
> > Okay, what superhero movies have we had? Spiderman 1-3, X-Men,
> > Batman, Superman, Daredevil, Green Lantern, Hulk, Green Hornet,
> > Fantastic Four 1-2, Blade, Ghost Rider, Constantine, Elektra,
> > Catwoman, Ultraviolet
>
> Iron Man 1 & 2. Thor.
Forgot those two.
> Ultraviolet? That was a superhero movie?
Sure. It counts. There are also non-superhero movies based on
comics.
> >> The villain is devious, nearly mad and sees the Hero
>
> >>as a threat to his goal.
>
> > The walking, talking villain, right? Not the dust cloud who wants to
> > destroy and Earth and Oa just because, right?
>
> I thought Parallax was going after Oa for revenge upon them for
> imprisoning him and Earth because that where Abin Sur's ring was and it
> was on the way and give him more power to hit Oa with.
Maybe. At least Parallax could speak unlike Galactus in FF2.
> > Yeah, they're all nuts
> > except for, maybe, Magneto and the Kingpin. Dr. Doom and Lex Luthor
> > are nuts but not bat shit crazy like the Joker. The Joker doesn't
> > actually see Batman as a threat though: that's the difference between
> > the Joker and the Riddler; perhaps the Riddler hates Batman and wants
> > to keep him guessing but the Joker is just playing with him and is
> > actually pleased to see him survive so he can once again try to kill
> > him.
>
> I didn't see Mephistopheles, Ra's Al Ghul, Abomination,
Really?
> Thunderbolt
> Ross, Iron Monger, Whiplash, Justin Hammer, Loki, The Sandman, or
> Stryker as nuts.
Well, not all antagonists are villains. Sometimes circumstances cause
decent people to do bad things.
> >> The villain neutralizes the Hero with a threat.
>
> > That requires the villain to first learn the hero's weakness.
> > Arguably since Hal's weakness was his own fear, Parallax was arguably
> > expecting that to be his weakness and it was only Carol Ferris' pep
> > talk that saved the day.
>
> I came away from GL thinking that Hal's weakness at first was his
> self-doubt/loathing more than anything else.
Loathing?
> >>The Hero looks deeply at the moral issue -- save the loved one or humanity.
> >>He chooses to save humanity.
>
> > Usually. Although supposedly Peter Parker gets the girl at the end of
> > Spiderman 3. Who knows? Maybe that's the real reason for the reboot:
> > no superhero can be allowed to have sex, not even off camera. So no
> > Daredevil 2 (because Matt did it with Elektra, on screen even), no
> > Fantastic Four 3 (because Reed and Sue got married) and no X-Men 4
> > (because Bobby can chose between Kitty and Rogue and neither of them
> > will kill them, well at least not until they find out he's two timing
> > them). Seriously, look at any long running superhero movie franchise
> > and you'll see a guy who isn't getting any. It's sad.
>
> Iron Man has had sex. And gotten a sequel.
Yeah but not with Pepper Potts. I read on joblo.com that the director
wanted them to have sex but the producers said no.
> died), saw what he could be if/when he got past the block of his fear
> to admit fear and self-doubt.
Sure. Okay. But rightly or wrongly comics readers are used to a
confident Hal Jordan.
I actually think they did the right thing to make Hal more
sympathetic. But obviously not everybody sees it that way. They did
the same thing to Clark Kent back in 1978: Superman was the confident
one and Clark was a clutz. Of course that was an act but still it
made Clark Kent more sympathetic.
Martin
Martin Phipps
Did you read the Screen Rant review of GL? It was "it's not like in
the comics" over and over again as if the comics are necessarily
better than anything that they can come up with just for the movie.
Martin
Duggy
> On Jun 25, 10:14 am, Michael <thissp...@for.rent> wrote:
> > Ultraviolet? That was a superhero movie?
> Sure. It counts. There are also non-superhero movies based on
> comics.
Ultraviolet wasn't based on comics.
> > Iron Man has had sex. And gotten a sequel.
> Yeah but not with Pepper Potts. I read on joblo.com that the director
> wanted them to have sex but the producers said no.
I suspect that the director wants Pepper Potts to have sex with the
chauffeur.
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Duggy
> Usually. Although supposedly Peter Parker gets the girl at the end of
> Spiderman 3. Who knows? Maybe that's the real reason for the reboot:
> no superhero can be allowed to have sex, not even off camera. So no
> Daredevil 2 (because Matt did it with Elektra, on screen even), no
> Fantastic Four 3 (because Reed and Sue got married)
And never had sex before that?
> and no X-Men 4
> (because Bobby can chose between Kitty and Rogue and neither of them
> will kill them, well at least not until they find out he's two timing
> them).
That's not even a hint of sex. And what about Scott & Jean in X-Men?
> Seriously, look at any long running superhero movie franchise
> and you'll see a guy who isn't getting any. It's sad.
Superman 2.
Iron Man.
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Lilith
<art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>That's no excuse. I'd rather watch a great serious movie than a
>mediocre spoof. And I don't think the villain playing it straight
>lessons the comedic effect. Often when the actor playing the villain is
>hamming it up, it's because s/he has no respect for the material.
Ummmm. Like Gene Hackman?
--
Lilith
Lilith
<martin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> *The Hero is reluctant.
>
>Mostly. Spiderman didn't want to be Spiderman in Spiderman 2.
>Wolverine didn't want to join the X-Men. Bruce Banner didn't want to
>be the Hulk. Ben Grimm didn't want to be The Thing. Johnny Blade
>sure as Hell didn't want his father to die, etc.
I'm not seeing the Hulk as a hero. Ditto for Johnny Blaze.
--
Lilith (with no claims to hero-hood)
Lilith
I'm sure that would make him happy,uh..... Happy.
--
Lilith
Ken from Chicago
"Tim Turnip" <timt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:18:31 -0700, Not.A.Maltisian
> <Not.A.M...@OA.planet.none.com.org.biz.exe.net> wrote:
>>I might be wrong, but I don't think he ever quit in the comics...
>
> You're definitely wrong. Hal quit the Corps here:
>
> http://www.comics.org/issue/39153/cover/4/
>
> It stuck for a while. John Stewart took over for Hal for an extended
> period and Hal sat out the entire Crisis on Infinite Earths.
>
>>Is Pie Face in this?
>>
>>Probably not, He's not politically correct.
>
> Only the nickname is politically incorrect. Having a smart, brave and
> resourceful Inuit as a best friend and sidekick would have been quite
> politically correct.
Tom Kalmaku was in the movie and was his best friend.
The nickname was not.
-- Ken from Chicago (who thought it was the guy who played Lt. Gaeta on
BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, but it was not)
Ken from Chicago
"BC" <bcph...@att.net> wrote in message news:itkp01$4q4$1...@dont-email.me...
> Time to disagree.
>
> It is better than all those movies except Thor which had better dialog.
> GL's dialog was juvenile.
>
> The villain in GL was pathetic even if the CGI was better than any dust
> cloud that came before. The villain wasn't really a character unless you
> count the infected doc who was really just a puppet of the yellow power
> (cloud). (Green power/yellow power -- can we all say "stupid?")
>
> Superman Returns had better effects. Why? Because in SR the CGI was
> mostly of real familiar objects whereas in GL it is mostly space, planets,
> guys in skin tight suits swooping around and of course a dust cloud.
>
> GL took the place of the "Greatest" lantern but we couldn't know that
> because we only saw him run from the cloud and he spoke little.
>
> On another note -- so all those alien societies developed along the same
> lines -- they all had a word for a railroad lantern including the "bee"
> alien I guess..
>
>
>
> "Martin Phipps" <martin...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:cf7206b5-939e-482e...@r27g2000prr.googlegroups.com...
>> Let me explain. It's better than the Fantastic Four movies, Elektra,
>> Catwoman, Superman Returns, The Incredible Hulk, Thor, Wolverine or
>> the Green Hornet. It's not as good as the Singer X-Men movies, the
>> Nolan Batman movies, the Raimi Spiderman movies, the Superman movie
>> from 1978 or Iron Man. It's about on par with Ghost Rider, Daredevil
>> or Ang Lee's Hulk, all of which were movies that some people liked but
>> a lot of people didn't.
>>
>> SPOILERS
>>
>> Hal Jordan wakes up to a woman who looks like she was cloned from
>> Scarlet Johansen's DNA. This was a bad move on the director's part.
>> Most movie critics have gone for years without getting any so it is
>> not a good idea to remind them that the star of this movie has had
>> booty you can only wish you had.
>>
>> The movie then goes on to rip off scenes from Top Gun, The Right Stuff
>> and Iron Man and the audience is left bored. I mean, what's the
>> point? Why re-enact scenes from other movies? We cam here to see the
>> Green Lantern not some youtube mash-up of exciting scenes from old
>> action movies. Well, it turns out there was a point. More on this
>> later.
>>
>> Finally Hal is given the ring. Finally Hal speaks the oath and
>> charges the ring. Finally he goes to Oa. If it seems like the movie
>> is dragging that's because it is.
>>
>> Then Hal quits being a lantern. Do they say "Okay then give us back
>> the ring"? No, he goes back to Earth with the ring. Turns out that
>> being selected by the ring is akin to being selected by the Goblet of
>> Fire: you don't have a choice. There's some suggestion that the ring
>> is controlling Hal (his eyes go blank when he recites the oath) so the
>> ring could have forced him to stay on Oa if it wanted to. Apparently
>> he got the training he needed.
>>
>> Cue scene in which hero saves the girl. The girl then recognizes
>> Hal. Hal then explains that he is now a "Space cop... except I
>> quit". The girls asks why. Turns out that Hal is afraid. The girl
>> tells Hal that he doesn't have to worry about being afraid, that
>> courage is all about facing fear and overcoming it.
>>
>> Hal then flies off and whoops ass and all the times when Hal was
>> afraid and we were wondering what the point was suddenly made sense.
>>
>> The movie dragged because Hal didn't put on a ring and whoop ass: he
>> had to deal with the fact that he was afraid even though he told
>> people he wasn't. But a movie about a guy putting on a ring and
>> whooping ass would have been 42 minutes long. Hell, throw in Tom
>> Welling as Clark Kent and it could have been a Smallville episode.
>>
>> It's better than the Fantastic Four because Dr. Hammond and Parallax
>> were better villains than Dr. Doom and Galactus. It's better than
>> Superman Returns because the CGI was better which meant that Parallax
>> looked heavy and not just a puff of smoke. It's better than the
>> Incredible Hulk because it took itself seriously. It's better than
>> Thor because Green Lantern saved the world and not just a small town.
>> It's better than Wolverine or Green Hornet because Hal was always a
>> decent person. But it's not as good as the Singer X-Men movies, the
>> Nolan Batman movies, the Raimi Spiderman movies, the Superman movie
>> from 1978 or Iron Man because none of those movies dragged as much as
>> this did. The movie had a good payoff but I wonder how many people
>> around the world just got up and left half way through and didn't get
>> their money's worth.
>>
>> Martin
>
>
"Lantern" is a just another word for a source of light, which would seem to
be a fairly universal concept.
-- Ken from Chicago
P.S. Altho the "green energy" of will and the "yellow energy" of fear did
seem about as silly as V's "blue energy" or STAR TREK's "red matter". And if
Parallax could be killed in a star, why didn't they do that ages ago?
J R Laredo
>
> Looking at the credits, it took five refugees to think up this story
> line and I'll bet none of them have ever seen a GL comic.
>
And you would lose the bet.
This is quite mysterious. If you look at the pedigrees of the production
and writing staff you have to wonder what happened.
Greg Berlanti, producer/writer: producer of "Emerald Knights."
Marc Guggenheim, writer: writer, "Emerald Knights."
Michael Greene, writer: writer for "Kings," "Heroes," "Smallville."
Michael Goldenberg, writer: writer for "Order of the Phoenix," "Contact,"
"Peter Pan."
Donald De Line, producer: producer of "Emerald Knights."
Herb Gains, producer: executive producer, "Watchmen."
Goeff Johns: who has read a few Green Lantern comics.
I mean, considering I don't think they could have done this bad a job
without help. There were hints of some good ideas, here, but they showed up
without warning. I kept getting the feeling that stuff was filmed, but left
in the cutting room.
J R Laredo
"Martin Phipps" <martin...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Let me explain. It's better than the Fantastic Four movies, Elektra,
> Catwoman, Superman Returns, The Incredible Hulk, Thor, Wolverine or
> the Green Hornet. It's not as good as the Singer X-Men movies, the
> Nolan Batman movies, the Raimi Spiderman movies, the Superman movie
> from 1978 or Iron Man. It's about on par with Ghost Rider, Daredevil
> or Ang Lee's Hulk, all of which were movies that some people liked but
> a lot of people didn't.
>
> SPOILERS
>
> Hal Jordan wakes up to a woman who looks like she was cloned from
> Scarlet Johansen's DNA. This was a bad move on the director's part.
> Most movie critics have gone for years without getting any so it is
> not a good idea to remind them that the star of this movie has had
> booty you can only wish you had.
>
> The movie then goes on to rip off scenes from Top Gun, The Right Stuff
> and Iron Man and the audience is left bored.
You forgot "Deal of the Century."
J R Laredo
"BC" <bcph...@att.net> wrote in message news:itkp01$4q4$1...@dont-email.me...
> Time to disagree.
>
> It is better than all those movies except Thor which had better dialog.
> GL's dialog was juvenile.
>
> The villain in GL was pathetic even if the CGI was better than any dust
> cloud that came before. The villain wasn't really a character unless you
> count the infected doc who was really just a puppet of the yellow power
> (cloud). (Green power/yellow power -- can we all say "stupid?")
>
> Superman Returns had better effects. Why? Because in SR the CGI was
> mostly of real familiar objects whereas in GL it is mostly space, planets,
> guys in skin tight suits swooping around and of course a dust cloud.
>
> GL took the place of the "Greatest" lantern but we couldn't know that
> because we only saw him run from the cloud and he spoke little.
>
> On another note -- so all those alien societies developed along the same
> lines -- they all had a word for a railroad lantern including the "bee"
> alien I guess..
>
In one story Katma was assigned to take a ring to a recruit in a sector of
the galaxy devoid of visible light. The recruit had no idea what light
was..
>> decent person. But it's not as good as the Singer X-Men movies, the
>> Nolan Batman movies, the Raimi Spiderman movies, the Superman movie
Martin Phipps
> On Jun 25, 9:48 pm, Martin Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 25, 10:14 am, Michael <thissp...@for.rent> wrote:
> > > Ultraviolet? That was a superhero movie?
> > Sure. It counts. There are also non-superhero movies based on
> > comics.
>
> Ultraviolet wasn't based on comics.
I didn't say it was.
The Rocketeer wasn't based on comics either. We tend to forget that
there have been superhero movies that were not inspired by actual
comics.
Martin
Martin Phipps
> On Jun 24, 6:20 pm, Martin Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Usually. Although supposedly Peter Parker gets the girl at the end of
> > Spiderman 3. Who knows? Maybe that's the real reason for the reboot:
> > no superhero can be allowed to have sex, not even off camera. So no
> > Daredevil 2 (because Matt did it with Elektra, on screen even), no
> > Fantastic Four 3 (because Reed and Sue got married)
>
> And never had sex before that?
PG movie.
> > and no X-Men 4
> > (because Bobby can chose between Kitty and Rogue and neither of them
> > will kill them, well at least not until they find out he's two timing
> > them).
>
> That's not even a hint of sex.
PG movie.
> And what about Scott & Jean in X-Men?
>
> > Seriously, look at any long running superhero movie franchise
> > and you'll see a guy who isn't getting any. It's sad.
>
> Superman 2.
He made her forget.
> Iron Man.
But not with Pepper Potts.
Martin
Tim Turnip
<martin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Jun 25, 3:56�pm, Duggy <Paul.Dug...@jcu.edu.au> wrote:
>> On Jun 25, 9:48�pm, Martin Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Jun 25, 10:14�am, Michael <thissp...@for.rent> wrote:
>> > > Ultraviolet? �That was a superhero movie?
>> > Sure. �It counts. �There are also non-superhero movies based on
>> > comics.
>>
>> Ultraviolet wasn't based on comics.
>
>I didn't say it was.
>
>The Rocketeer wasn't based on comics either.
Yes he was. Dave Stevens' creation appeared first in comics
throughout the '80s from several indie publishers like Pacific and
Eclipse well before his adventures hit the silver screen in 1991.
BC
PG movie.
PG movie.
He made her forget.
> Iron Man.
*The Michael Keaton Batman was pretty good at shagging the babes.
Duggy
wrote:
> In one story Katma was assigned to take a ring to a recruit in a sector of
> the galaxy devoid of visible light. The recruit had no idea what light
> was..
As I said previously in this thread:
"In loudest din or hush profound my ear catches evil's slightest sound
let those who toll out evil's knell beware my power: The F-Sharp
Bell"
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Duggy
> "Martin Phipps" <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> no
> > > Fantastic Four 3 (because Reed and Sue got married)
> > And never had sex before that?
> PG movie.
Superman 2 was PG. Clark & Lois had prematerital sex.
> > > Seriously, look at any long running superhero movie franchise
> > > and you'll see a guy who isn't getting any. It's sad.
> > Superman 2.
> He made her forget.
They still fucked.
> > Iron Man.
> But not with Pepper Potts.
> *The Michael Keaton Batman was pretty good at shagging the babes.
True.
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Martin Phipps
> On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 11:51:23 -0700 (PDT), Martin Phipps
>
> >On Jun 25, 3:56 pm, Duggy <Paul.Dug...@jcu.edu.au> wrote:
> >> On Jun 25, 9:48 pm, Martin Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> > On Jun 25, 10:14 am, Michael <thissp...@for.rent> wrote:
> >> > > Ultraviolet? That was a superhero movie?
> >> > Sure. It counts. There are also non-superhero movies based on
> >> > comics.
>
> >> Ultraviolet wasn't based on comics.
>
> >I didn't say it was.
>
> >The Rocketeer wasn't based on comics either.
>
> Yes he was. Dave Stevens' creation appeared first in comics
> throughout the '80s from several indie publishers like Pacific and
> Eclipse well before his adventures hit the silver screen in 1991.
Okay, fine, I didn't know that.
Martin
David
"Duggy" wrote in message
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On Jun 30, 10:44 am, "BC" <bcpho...@att.net> wrote:
> "Martin Phipps" <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> no
> > > Fantastic Four 3 (because Reed and Sue got married)
> > And never had sex before that?
> PG movie.
Superman 2 was PG. Clark & Lois had prematerital sex.
> > > Seriously, look at any long running superhero movie franchise
> > > and you'll see a guy who isn't getting any. It's sad.
> > Superman 2.
> He made her forget.
They still fucked.
> > Iron Man.
> But not with Pepper Potts.
Yeah, but he got Christine Everhart (Leslie Bibb) !!
( http://daviderl.com/LeslieBibb.html )
J R Laredo
"Duggy" <Paul....@jcu.edu.au> wrote in message
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Sorry. I don't see it in the thread. If I had I would not have made
mention.
Duggy
wrote:
> Sorry. I don't see it in the thread. If I had I would not have made
> mention.
Happens. Then again, you explained the story. I just randomly quoted
the punchline.
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Ruben Safir
> The Rocketeer wasn't based on comics either. W
yes it was
Duggy
> On Jun 29, 4:03 pm, Tim Turnip <timtur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 11:51:23 -0700 (PDT), Martin Phipps
> > Yes he was. Dave Stevens' creation appeared first in comics
> > throughout the '80s from several indie publishers like Pacific and
> > Eclipse well before his adventures hit the silver screen in 1991.
> Okay, fine, I didn't know that.
So if you don't know if something is based on a comic you just assume
it wasn't?
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Martin Phipps
Did you know the movies Road to Perdition, A History of Violence and
From Hell were all based on graphic novels? The point I was making is
that not all comics are superhero comics and not all superhero movies
were based on comics. The Rocketeer just turned out to be a bad
example. I suppose I could have mentioned Condorman or Blankman but
those are bad examples for different reasons.
Martin
Duggy
> Did you know the movies Road to Perdition,
Yes, and though the casting of Tom Hanks ruined the character as it
appeared in the comics.
> A History of Violence and
Yes, and was disappointed when they only adapted the first third and
tacked on a new ending the real meat of the comic was in the final
third and the middle was a really strong story in itself.
> From Hell were all based on graphic novels?
As a massive Alan Moore fan of course I did.
> The point I was making is
> that not all comics are superhero comics and not all superhero movies
> were based on comics.
You made it badly.
> The Rocketeer just turned out to be a bad
> example.
Yup.
> I suppose I could have mentioned Condorman or Blankman but
> those are bad examples for different reasons.
Agreed.
If you're looking for examples of Superhero films that aren't based on
comics you should have gone for Hitch or Jumper.
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Martin Phipps
If you are talking about the movie with Will Smith then that was
Hancock and, yes, that is a better example. Hitch was a romantic
comedy with Eva Mendes.
The fact is that people claimed that Ultraviolet was not a superhero
film because it was not based on a comic book and that's just silly.
Martin
Duggy
> If you are talking about the movie with Will Smith then that was
> Hancock and, yes, that is a better example. Hitch was a romantic
> comedy with Eva Mendes.
Sorry, yes, you're right. I make that mistake all the time. I think
I have Hitchcock in my head instead of Hancock.
> The fact is that people claimed that Ultraviolet was not a superhero
> film because it was not based on a comic book and that's just silly.
Sure. I can't say for sure because I stopped watching after 10
minutes.
But it seemed like a superheroey film.
The fact that it doesn't come from a comic is meaningless.
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David
Went to see it today. And it wasn't bad, but not good enough to buy
the DVD when it comes out (I'll get "Thor" when it does). Was glad I only
paid the $5 matinee price.
Damn good graphics, though.
Couple of things I didn't understand ---
GL went to the Guardians pleading for help to save Earth from
Parallax. But when they refused, he asked if he could try to save Earth
himself. WTF?? If it was me, I'd just say, "Fine. I'll do it myself."
Which he did.
Parallax looked to be mostly cloud-ish, so why would rockets and an
exploding gasoline tanker do any damage? Couldn't it/he just let them just
pass through?
TPTB should have let Blake Lively keep her blonde hair, or made it
dark brown. The middle-of-the-road brown it was didn't seem to go with her
coloring.