Nail in the coffin of the phrase "pimp spot"?
Nathan Sanders
the so-called "pimp spot", even having it multiple times in the same
season, and up against objectively grossly inferior competitors.
Unfortunately, I doubt even this will be enough to make people stop
using the expression as if it had any impact on the outcome.
Nathan
Cheri
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But...he was in it to win it damnit, and the pimp spot was his *wheelhouse.*
;-)
Cheri
Nathan Sanders
> "Nathan Sanders" <nathan...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>> This week's results show that a popular competent singer is not safe
>> in the so-called "pimp spot", even having it multiple times in the
>> same season, and up against objectively grossly inferior competitors.
>>
>> Unfortunately, I doubt even this will be enough to make people stop
>> using the expression as if it had any impact on the outcome.
>
> *wheelhouse.* ;-)
STOPPIT!!!!!
Nathan
Starcade
Read the EW post that Rocky posted.
Rupert Murdoch and the FOX television head were there last night, and
I don't think they didn't have a reason to be there.
FOX has stepped in. James Durbin was disqualified for his past.
Mike
@gmail.com zob
<nathan...@aol.com> wrote:
>This week's results show that a popular competent singer is not safe in
>the so-called "pimp spot", even having it multiple times in the same
>season, and up against objectively grossly inferior competitors.
Uh, make that "subjectively" inferior competitors. The majority of
the voters apparently thought that James was the inferior one this
week.
>Unfortunately, I doubt even this will be enough to make people stop
>using the expression as if it had any impact on the outcome.
>
This isn't the first time that the person who sang last on AI ever
went home. But it makes sense that the person who sings last leaves
the freshest impression on the viewers, and the person who sings first
is the most forgotten performance, so all other things being equal it
can have an influence on "independent" voters.
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Ha!
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I feel bad for James that that muckraking garbage was brought out when
it was. I didn't like him and would have been happy to see him voted
off -- but I can't take pleasure in seeing someone stabbed in the back
and blindsided with hurtful trashy gossip as he was. No one deserves
that.
--
zob
Starcade
> the most pimp spots ever in the program's history and he goes out
> 4th.....and to a fellow who is the likely winner and never had the
> pimp spot at all. It's a wonderful world.
Again: I don't take much stock in that this time around, Bob.
Rupert Murdoch is a very powerful man -- if he walked up to Nigel
Lythgoe and ordered James Durbin to be disqualified, Nigel MUST
comply.
Remember how tenuous Idol is right now: All it will really take is X-
Factor to go gangbusters and the remaining Idol sponsors to
effectively bolt Idol for X-F USA, and the show will be deep-sixed mid-
S11-auditions if it has to be.
Mike
Nathan Sanders
> On Thu, 12 May 2011 21:15:16 -0400, Nathan Sanders
> <nathan...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> This week's results show that a popular competent singer is not safe in
>> the so-called "pimp spot", even having it multiple times in the same
>> season, and up against objectively grossly inferior competitors.
>
> Uh, make that "subjectively" inferior competitors. The majority of
> the voters apparently thought that James was the inferior one this
> week.
So you think people vote for the best singer? If you truly believe
this, then you realize this means that you must now logically agree that
Kris Allen is a better singer than Adam Lambert. :-)
>> Unfortunately, I doubt even this will be enough to make people stop
>> using the expression as if it had any impact on the outcome.
>
> This isn't the first time that the person who sang last on AI ever
> went home. But it makes sense that the person who sings last leaves
> the freshest impression on the viewers,
So now you think people vote based on who performed last?
> and the person who sings first
> is the most forgotten performance, so all other things being equal it
> can have an influence on "independent" voters.
I don't think any such voters exist.
People vote for who they like, and that could based on all sorts of
things: the state they're from, their musical genre, their physical
attractiveness, their religion, their creativity, their race.
But I seriously doubt that any significant number of people vote based
solely on who performed last.
Nathan
Starcade
> I feel bad for James that that muckraking garbage was brought out when
> it was. I didn't like him and would have been happy to see him voted
> off -- but I can't take pleasure in seeing someone stabbed in the back
> and blindsided with hurtful trashy gossip as he was. No one deserves
> that.
This is why I told Bob Rudd what I have about how I feel about
America.
There are many who would disagree with you strongly, and say he openly
deserves it.
And, after the allegations are made public, I fear for his personal
safety, and that of his wife and child.
Mike (And that has NOTHING to do with anything he might do)
Badger
This is nonsense. Idol has been number 1 in the ratings for ten
years. DWTS has beaten it a couple of times this season but even then
Idol has always been in the top 2 or 3. Why do people insist the show
is barely hanging on?
I think Murdoch and the FOX guy were probably there to make sure Lady
Gaga didn't do something ridiculous that would cost them money in
fines.
Starcade
this time:
First, let me answer Badger's question, as it sets up Bob's
discussion:
Badger asked:
> This is nonsense. Idol has been number 1 in the ratings for ten
> years. DWTS has beaten it a couple of times this season but even then
> Idol has always been in the top 2 or 3. Why do people insist the show
> is barely hanging on?
Because they have no relevant winner the last five years, and really
no relevant contestant the last three or so.
You're also not thinking forward: Simon is bringing X-Factor over
here to detonate Idol, just as he did with X-F UK.
If he succeeds, this show is dead, even mid-season-11 auditions.
The thing is: I have to think Murdoch politely reminded Lythgoe of
this very succinctly, and enforced his wishes upon him.
On May 12, 8:53 pm, Bob Rudd <bobr...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 12 May 2011 20:26:12 -0700 (PDT), Starcade
> <darkstar7...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Again: I don't take much stock in that this time around, Bob.
>
> >Rupert Murdoch is a very powerful man -- if he walked up to Nigel
> >Lythgoe and ordered James Durbin to be disqualified, Nigel MUST
> >comply.
>
> Simon Fuller would be that person not Nigel, Mike. Simon Fuller ain't
> gonna do it. Neither would Simon Cowell who, British rumors hold,
> owns a small piece of Idol as well.
If he wants to have a season 11, especially in the face of X-Factor
US, I'd think Simon Fuller and Nigel Lythgoe had better -- that's why
I'm not that shocked about tonight's elimination -- the political
realities of FOX (the corporation, not the TV network) FORCED this!
And I don't think this is the first time FOX has done this -- it may
well be the first time (except Season One with Tamyra?) that they did
it _here_.
> Aurochs may well have passed the word to Nigel to stop acting like a
> giddy schoolgirl anticipating her first training bra, every week over
> James....and he could have had a mega load of attorneys point out that
> Nigel was "that close" to crossing the FCC's lines of fairness on game
> shows as well.
No. Idol has destroyed that line of fairness for years, so much so
that the FCC has basically nullified that law.
> Rupert Aurochs is not going to risk his empire on a reality show, not
> even idol. Particularly moreso when licenses are involved for the
> airwaves and the FCC looks closely on cable networks and both
> horizontally and vertically integrated mega companies that operate
> world-wide.
I disagree wholeheartedly. I think, especially on such a visible
program, he would risk it if he felt the hit to the image of the
corporation would be much larger had James won!
Put yourself in this line of thinking, Bob: The allegations come out,
then James wins!!! What happens then? Boycotts? Worse?? Certainly
complaints against the license.
> That we agree on.
>
> J-Lo may well be regretting not taking X-F by this point.
I agree.
Mike
Moni
Agreed. I honestly felt sorry for James tonight. I know that isn't on
topic, but that's just the way I felt.
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surfingnoreen
> On Thu, 12 May 2011 21:15:16 -0400, Nathan Sanders
>
> >This week's results show that a popular competent singer is not safe in
> >the so-called "pimp spot", even having it multiple times in the same
> >season, and up against objectively grossly inferior competitors.
It's in fine print that TBTB can discount power votes at their
discretion so who goes through is always their decision. DialIdol had
Haley last. Likester had Lauren last. Likester has had the better
run in predicting eliminations so it is a possibility Lauren was truly
the one to be sent home by the voters tonight but James was sent home
instead.
The producers are preparing us for a Lauren/Scotty finale with the
opening number where James and Hailey sang Country. Thankfully, my
husband and I are on the same page. We will not watch the finale if
it's a Lauren/Scotty duo. As Ryan would say, "THIS is American
Idol." It's NOT Nashville Star.
Noreen
Starcade
> The producers are preparing us for a Lauren/Scotty finale with the
> opening number where James and Hailey sang Country. Thankfully, my
> husband and I are on the same page. We will not watch the finale if
> it's a Lauren/Scotty duo. As Ryan would say, "THIS is American
> Idol." It's NOT Nashville Star.
Especially given relevant Idol history, I'm beginning to think you are
wrong.
Who's the last real even-relevant winner?
Mike
azurespirit
"Bob Rudd" wrote in message
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the most pimp spots ever in the program's history and he goes out
4th.....and to a fellow who is the likely winner and never had the
pimp spot at all. It's a wonderful world.
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They even pimped the pimp spot last night....and he STILL didn't capitalize
on it.
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<darkst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Trying again -- let's see if the good ol' home network can hold up
>this time:
>
>First, let me answer Badger's question, as it sets up Bob's
>discussion:
>
>Badger asked:
>
>> This is nonsense. Idol has been number 1 in the ratings for ten
>> years. DWTS has beaten it a couple of times this season but even then
>> Idol has always been in the top 2 or 3. Why do people insist the show
>> is barely hanging on?
>
>Because they have no relevant winner the last five years, and really
>no relevant contestant the last three or so.
>
>You're also not thinking forward: Simon is bringing X-Factor over
>here to detonate Idol, just as he did with X-F UK.
True. AI's parent show, the original "Pop Idol" was as wildly popular
in the UK as AI is here. After Simon's very first season of
"X-Factor" in the UK, Pop Idol was off the air. However, ...
>If he succeeds, this show is dead, even mid-season-11 auditions.
>
Not necessarily though. The important difference between the Pop
Idol/XF-UK and AI/XF-USA is that American Idol and X-Factor USA will
be airing on the same network and in opposite seasons. Simon Cowell
put his X-Factor UK up head to head on a competing network in the same
time slot as Pop Idol; that's what killed PI.
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wrote:
Although not a James fan, I think this is the first time this season
that I was genuinely shocked at an AI elimination. Even Pia was not
as much of a surprise. I had fully expected one of the girls to go
home, I never seriously considered that either Scotty or James would
be voted off. In fact, I had been pretty sure almost from the
beginning of the live shows that the finale would be Scotty vs. James,
and every week that went by it seemed to be more and more likely. This
was a genuine zinger.
--
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<sortingt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>The producers are preparing us for a Lauren/Scotty finale with the
>opening number where James and Hailey sang Country. Thankfully, my
>husband and I are on the same page. We will not watch the finale if
>it's a Lauren/Scotty duo.
Do you enjoy any sports? Do you get up and walk out if your team is
losing? And why should anyone watch *your* favorites if they were in
the finale? Sorry, but this seems childish to me.
> As Ryan would say, "THIS is American
>Idol." It's NOT Nashville Star.
So you wanted it to be Rock Star Supernova. And your point is...?
--
zob
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Some of us have been saying ever since Carrie's success in season 4
that AI has been overdue for a male country singer to win. This may
very well be that season. It's where the money is.
--
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Micki
wrote:
>On Thu, 12 May 2011 21:33:55 -0700 (PDT), surfingnoreen
Zob, check out any baseball stadium in the country and see the swarm
of people leaving in the 7th inning when the home team is losing by a
very large number. If the Yankees are losing 18 to 3 in the 7th
inning I am turning to another channel. Not childish, just not
masochistic.
Micki
Save the earth..... It's the only planet with chocolate!
Bigolhomo
<darkst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Put yourself in this line of thinking, Bob: The allegations come out,
>then James wins!!! What happens then? Boycotts? Worse?? Certainly
>complaints against the license.
Do you actually know what the allegations are? I hardly think Rupert
Murdoch is getting his panties in a wad over something James did when
he was a little kid, simply because Star magazine decided to
sensationalize it for their cover. Good lord.
Bigolhomo
wrote:
>>If he succeeds, this show is dead, even mid-season-11 auditions.
>>
>
>Not necessarily though. The important difference between the Pop
>Idol/XF-UK and AI/XF-USA is that American Idol and X-Factor USA will
>be airing on the same network and in opposite seasons. Simon Cowell
>put his X-Factor UK up head to head on a competing network in the same
>time slot as Pop Idol; that's what killed PI.
What is going to kill Idol is that once X Factor's season is over, who
is going to want to start the whole process again with Idol 3 weeks
later? For all intents and purposes in this situation, they're
basically the same show, and people need more of a break between
seasons.
Bigolhomo
Lee DeWyze is changing the face of music as we speak. Give him 10
years and people will be mentioning him in the same breath as John
Lennon and Kurt Cobain.
Starcade
> True. AI's parent show, the original "Pop Idol" was as wildly popular
> in the UK as AI is here. After Simon's very first season of
> "X-Factor" in the UK, Pop Idol was off the air. However, ...
Exactly, and I think Murdoch "politely" reminded both Nigel and Ryan
of that fact.
> >If he succeeds, this show is dead, even mid-season-11 auditions.
>
> Not necessarily though. The important difference between the Pop
> Idol/XF-UK and AI/XF-USA is that American Idol and X-Factor USA will
> be airing on the same network and in opposite seasons. Simon Cowell
> put his X-Factor UK up head to head on a competing network in the same
> time slot as Pop Idol; that's what killed PI.
The problem with that is sponsor money and also the support of the
network -- also remember that Simon and Nigel are *NOT* on good terms
and haven't been for years.
Mike
Starcade
> On Thu, 12 May 2011 21:16:31 -0700 (PDT), Starcade
>
> >Put yourself in this line of thinking, Bob: The allegations come out,
> >then James wins!!! What happens then? Boycotts? Worse?? Certainly
> >complaints against the license.
>
> Do you actually know what the allegations are? I hardly think Rupert
> Murdoch is getting his panties in a wad over something James did when
> he was a little kid, simply because Star magazine decided to
> sensationalize it for their cover. Good lord.
I disagree entirely, especially for such a high-profile television
program with the corporate footprint of an "American Idol".
And I don't think it's just Murdoch getting his panties in a wad.
Consider what probably happens Wednesday night (the magazine is
supposed to come out Monday, IIRC) if James is still in the
competition.
Mike
Starcade
> On Thu, 12 May 2011 21:41:20 -0700 (PDT), Starcade
>
> >On May 12, 9:33 pm, surfingnoreen <sortingthings...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> The producers are preparing us for a Lauren/Scotty finale with the
> >> opening number where James and Hailey sang Country. Thankfully, my
> >> husband and I are on the same page. We will not watch the finale if
> >> it's a Lauren/Scotty duo. As Ryan would say, "THIS is American
> >> Idol." It's NOT Nashville Star.
>
> >Especially given relevant Idol history, I'm beginning to think you are
> >wrong.
>
> >Who's the last real even-relevant winner?
> Some of us have been saying ever since Carrie's success in season 4
> that AI has been overdue for a male country singer to win. This may
> very well be that season. It's where the money is.
That's why I do not agree. This show IS "Nashville Star", glorified,
when it works.
Mike
Nancy2
> "Nathan Sanders" <nathansand...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:iqi0n...@news3.newsguy.com...
>
> > This week's results show that a popular competent singer is not safe in
> > the so-called "pimp spot", even having it multiple times in the same
> > season, and up against objectively grossly inferior competitors.
>
> > Unfortunately, I doubt even this will be enough to make people stop using
> > the expression as if it had any impact on the outcome.
>
>
> But...he was in it to win it damnit, and the pimp spot was his *wheelhouse.*
> ;-)
>
Not only that, but he "nailed it," (the Journey thing), and it was an
impossible song to sing. Plus, Randy was in Journey once!
N.
Nancy2
>
> - Show quoted text -
Oh, fuss, fuss. There are all kinds of music in America, including
country and country pop. Get over it. It's a legitimate genre (or
two). Maybe this year is country year - God knows, Idol needs a
viable winner (unlike the past few years, where pop seemed to reign).
N.
@gmail.com zob
I've sat in Fenway Park late at night with a 2 hour drive home when
the Red Sox were trailing the Yankees by 10 runs! I guess some people
are just wusses! ;-)
BTW, changing the channel while watching a tv show is one thing. To
claim that 1/3 of the audience will walk out of a concert, for which
they paid good money for tickets, before the headlining performances
is just plain silly IMO.
--
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@gmail.com zob
Exactly.
--
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Nancy2
>
> - Show quoted text -
I am fairly certain that they at least would have been smart enough to
read what was behind the ridiculous Star story, and not paid any
attention to it. I can't see any "dictating" about who would go home,
by anyone.
N.
Nancy2
> On Thu, 12 May 2011 21:41:20 -0700 (PDT), Starcade
>
Lee who?
N.
Cheri
news:45cd4874-e4a0-47d6-92df-
Lee who?
N.
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I believe it was Lee Allen. ;-)
Cheri
N.
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And IIRC, didn't Randy play with some other people?
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I've never walked out of a theater no matter how bad the movie.....I got
free tickets to Bob Dylan about six months ago....I went (not a Dylan
singing fan) just to be able to say I saw Dylan, a living legend, in
concert.....It's the closest I have ever come to walking out of a movie or
concert ....and those were free tickets... I remember thinking....after the
concert was over....no curtain call...please no curtain call.....
Cheri
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> I've never walked out of a theater no matter how bad the movie.....I got
> free tickets to Bob Dylan about six months ago....I went (not a Dylan
> singing fan) just to be able to say I saw Dylan, a living legend, in
> concert.....It's the closest I have ever come to walking out of a movie or
> concert ....and those were free tickets... I remember thinking....after
> the concert was over....no curtain call...please no curtain call.....
I love a lot of his songs, his singing on some isn't bad. That's the best I
can do. :-)
Cheri
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His voice is so raspy now....if you didn't recognize the melody the words
would be incomprehensible...
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I left an O'Jays concert....and I was on a date!
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I was at a concert in the 1970's where literally a least 1/3 of the
fans, probably more, walked out of a major venue, but the
circumstances were different. It was John Denver... and he was
unbelievably rude and unprofessional. He kept stopping in the middle
of songs to tune his guitar without saying a word; just stopped and
the band would sort of trail off after he did, then he'd just start
singing again. He acted like he was in a practice session instead of
a coliseum with 8,000 people who had paid a lot of money. People were
getting antsy. But then when he sang, "Take Me Home Country Roads,"
nearly the whole audience started to sing along with him on the
chorus. Amazingly, he stopped singing and angrily screamed into his
microphone, "Shut up! This is MY song!" Everyone was stunned; you
could have heard a pin drop in that coliseum. He started singing
again, and at first a trickle of people headed for the exits, then a
stream, and then a torrent. My sister and I were among the ones who
walked out. There was a big article in the local paper about it the
next day. If this had happened nowadays, somebody would have gotten a
video and it would have been on TMZ. I wasn't surprised when it came
out later about Denver's drug and alcohol problems, his behavior was
by no means normal for a concert performer towards his fans.
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wrote:
Yeah, "Don't Stop Believing" is one of the hardest songs to sing that
was ever written!
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Elton Dumont
ITA. Fact one the song was written by Journey for Journey or more
specifically Steve Perry....one of the greatest voices ever.... When you
have an act/band/singer that writes their own material many of the times the
song is written specifically for the singer...like Perry....Elton John songs
are specifically hard because they are basically written to fit his
voice...so yeah DSB is hard to sing.
Micki
wrote:
You sir are a masochist! ;)
>
>BTW, changing the channel while watching a tv show is one thing. To
>claim that 1/3 of the audience will walk out of a concert, for which
>they paid good money for tickets, before the headlining performances
>is just plain silly IMO.
Precisely because I spent good money is one of the reasons I have
walked out of movies, ball games and theater when I hated what I was
seeing. It didn't seem right to have spent good money to be tortured.
Look up a play called "Goodbye Fidel" a musical that I was "lucky"
enough to get preview tickets for. That lucky was sarcasm. The play
never had an opening night. I'm convinced that Mel Brooks had this
in mind when he wrote "The Producers".
Lesmond
>
>"zob" <zobva1 @ gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> Yeah, "Don't Stop Believing" is one of the hardest songs to sing that
>> was ever written!
>
>ITA. Fact one the song was written by Journey for Journey or more
>specifically Steve Perry....one of the greatest voices ever....
I just literally vomited and everyone I know did, too.
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ITA. Fact one the song was written by Journey for Journey or more
Moni
My kids didn't have a problem singing it. I'd post a video, but that was a
bad night. One of the soloists forgot.to.come.on.stage. <stern teacher
look>
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