Questions about the Wreckers (Spoilers)
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I didn't forget this time, Zobovor. :)
After looking over Botcon Beyond to read the story about the Wreckers, I ended
up having some questions about the characters.
#1 Rodimus (no Prime): He is Hot Rod, but wants to be called "Rodimus," even
though he no longer has possession of the Autobot Matrix of Leadership. Where
is that thing anyways? A few months ago, I asked this same question on Ben
Yee's site, and I got the answer that "one of the Maximal elders may have it."
By the time of Beast Machines, Rodimus IS ONE of the ELDERS in my opinion, and
I think he deserves it more than anyone else at this point partly because of
his age and partly because of his special physiology. (Apparently, Rodimus is
immune to the virus that Megatron released on Cybertron, and it seems that he
cannot be upgraded to Maximal either.) In one story, he is known as the "last
of the Templars." As far as I know, Hot Rod is the only Autobot whose tech
specs read "FUNCTION: Cavalier." Does anyone know of any others?
#2 Primal Prime: He has the same body that Optimal Optimus has, but he is a
different person. How is that possible if Megatron is hiding the OPOP body
somewhere? Also, am I just reading into his story too deeply, or is there a
subtle hint that Primal Prime is the resurrected spark of the original Optimus
Prime? (He recognizes Rodimus as if he's met him before...) Last time, at
least in terms of the U.S. cartoon continuity, Optimus Prime was still alive
(Rebirth). I guess Rodimus found another way to bump off OP again, hehe...
#3 Onyx Primal and Apelinq: Onyx Primal is the bat version of Optimus Primal
and Apelinq is the TM version. Is it just me, or is the idea of these two guys
existing just plain weird? That is, Onyx is the Primal that never was, while
Apelinq is the Primal that he will soon be. Keep in mind that their story
occurs during Beast Wars and not BM.
#4 Arcee: During Beast Wars, Rattrap referred to her by saying that "she WAS
my great aunt." Past tense; meaning she's dead, Jim. So how can she be one of
the Wreckers fighting alongside Rodimus during Beast Machines? When I first
heard about this exclusive toy, I thought that this is Arcee's new form shortly
after the Great Upgrade, and I had no idea that she is supposed to be still
alive. (As a fanboy, I'm glad she is still alive.) If I am completely wrong
about this topic, please enlighten me. If I'm not, I hope the writers for the
Botcon stories notice this post so that they can clarify some things later on
on their website. (The Botcon 2001 comic was just as ambiguous).
I welcome harsh criticisms and feedbacks from better TF experts than myself,
but please don't call me any names.
ZacWilliam05
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Well according to Glen they're folowing the Cartoon continuity (with a
few bits that don't contradict from other places thrown in). In the toon we
last see the Matrix of Leadership in Rebirth. At that point it is an empty
shell (emptied in Return of OP) and Prime uses that shell to reactivate Vector
Sigma. The shell is absorbed by V.S. and never seen again. So there's every
indication that either a) it no longer exists, or b) V.S./The Oracle is holding
on to it for the future.
>By the time of Beast Machines,
>Rodimus IS ONE of the ELDERS in
> my opinion,
I don't think so. The title "Maximal Elders" doesn't simply refer to old
TF's but the rulling party of the Maximals. It seems pretty clear that Rodimus
as presented in the Botcon story is not a member. He is, however a member in
good standing of the Wreckers, even before Meg's virus and the teem formed at
this years Botcon (see the Apelinq Journals at Botcon Beyond).
>it seems that he
>cannot be upgraded to Maximal either.
No, he HAS been upgraded to Maximal, the Botcon comic makes this pretty clear,
it's just his new Maximal body is of the same design as his old Autobot one.
>As far as I know, Hot Rod is the only
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>Does anyone know of any others?
Well, Side Burn/Speedbreaker SHOULD have it IMO. I mean his function is
"Speedy Knight" which translated into grown-up speak basicly means the same as
"Cavalier".
>#2 Primal Prime: He has the same
>body that Optimal Optimus has,
> but he is a different person. How
>is that possible if Megatron is hiding
> the OPOP body somewhere?
1) It's not the same body as OpOP, it's a diferent body based mostly
(head's different) on the same design. It says both on PrimalPrime's Tech Spec
and shows in the Botcon comic that PP was made by the Vok out of Quickstrike's
control suit from BW.
2) Megatron isn't hidding the OpOP body. We clearly se that body reverted
to a plain gorilla and then reformated in BM. At the end of that series Meg's
just uses the design for that body (aquired in BW) to build his own version of
it.
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>subtle hint that Primal Prime is the
>resurrected spark of the original
>Optimus Prime?
Again, it's made clear in both PP's specs and the Botcon comic that his
mind and soul is an amalgum of *ALL* Autobot leaders past and future.
> Is it just me, or is the idea of these
>two guys existing just plain weird?
I don't have any problems, it's just an example of similar designs, like
Prowl Bluestreak, and Smokescreen, or Starscream, Skywarp, and Thundercracker
in the original TF's.
>#4 Arcee: During Beast Wars,
> Rattrap referred to her by saying
>that "she WAS my great aunt."
No he didn't. He simply used her
name as an exlamation. He was
burried under rocks by a blast and
then as he dug out he said something
like "my great Aunt Arcee!" sort of like a human might say, "Helpless, my
great
Aunt Fanny!" Now regardless whether
Arcee is really his Aunt, (or Fanny mine) he never says "was" so there's no
implication of death.
Joe Anstett
I assumed that Rodimus was semi-retired...
> #2 Primal Prime: He has the same body that Optimal Optimus has, but he is a
> different person. How is that possible if Megatron is hiding the OPOP body
> somewhere? Also, am I just reading into his story too deeply, or is there a
> subtle hint that Primal Prime is the resurrected spark of the original Optimus
> Prime? (He recognizes Rodimus as if he's met him before...) Last time, at
> least in terms of the U.S. cartoon continuity, Optimus Prime was still alive
> (Rebirth). I guess Rodimus found another way to bump off OP again, hehe...
The tech spec says that Primal Prime was created by the Vok, who used Quickstrike's
control suit from "Master Blaster" to form the body. The tech spec also said
something about his spark being a fusion of Maximal and Autobot, containing
remnants of Optimus Prime and Optimus Primal's spark, but that he isn't really
aware of either of them or how he got there.
Joe
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> few bits that don't contradict from other places thrown in). In the toon we
> last see the Matrix of Leadership in Rebirth. At that point it is an empty
> shell (emptied in Return of OP) and Prime uses that shell to reactivate Vector
> Sigma. The shell is absorbed by V.S. and never seen again. So there's every
> indication that either a) it no longer exists, or b) V.S./The Oracle is holding
> on to it for the future.
In the Japanese continuity, an episode called "Double Convoy" or something like
that sees Optimus pull the matrix back out in a recharged state, and he gives it to
Hot Rod who becomes Rodimus Prime again and the two fight side by side, until
Optimus dies in a fight with Galvatron. Later, Rodimus leaves Cybertron looking
for a new homeworld, never to be seen again.
Joe
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>I didn't forget this time, Zobovor. :)
Good boy. Err, girl. err... whatever. </nightbeat>
>#1 Rodimus (no Prime): Autobot Matrix of Leadership.
>Where
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Good question.
(Apparently, Rodimus
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>immune to the virus that Megatron released on Cybertron, and it seems that he
>cannot be upgraded to Maximal either.)
Wrong. In the comic, his Maximal upgrade is from his cartoon form to a more
toy-accurate form. It's not obvious unless you really think about it, but take
a look. Before his Maximalization, he was drawn as cartoon Hot Rod. Rodimus
is the toy Hot Rod. (Although I think it woulda been even cooler if he'd been
the MM HotRod that came with Star Convoy...)
In one story, he is known as the
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>of the Templars." As far as I know, Hot Rod is the only Autobot whose tech
>specs read "FUNCTION: Cavalier." Does anyone know of any others?
OOoh. Ionno if that's a solid hit or not, but it IS nice to think about.
>#2 Primal Prime: He has the same body that Optimal Optimus has, but he is a
>different person. How is that possible if Megatron is hiding the OPOP body
>somewhere?
Remember that control suit that Quickstrike wore in "Master Blaster?" That's
Pre-Primal Prime.
Also, am I just reading into his story too deeply, or is there a
>subtle hint that Primal Prime is the resurrected spark of the original
>Optimus
>Prime?
I don't think so. He may SHARE part of his spark with OP, but the way it's
written, Prime's eyes "seem to flash with approval." Which, to me, says the
big OP is still in there. AFAWK, PriPri is made up from an amalgamation of the
sparks of the greatest Autobot/Maximal leaders... a "patchwork of convictions
from leaders past" and "a combination of Autobot and Maximal." Which would
mean that he's probably got a little bit of Optimus, some Sentinel Prime, maybe
some Emirate Xaaron, who knows? However, any spark that's in PriPri would
presumably HAVE to be in the Matrix when he was created, which rules out OP, as
his spark was right there on Earth. Unless, of course, you buy into the theory
that the Matrix is beyond space/time, and so ANY spark is game...
>#3 Onyx Primal and Apelinq: Onyx Primal is the bat version of Optimus Primal
>and Apelinq is the TM version. Is it just me, or is the idea of these two
>guys
> existing just plain weird?
Not... really. If you notice, Dan draws Apelinq a little different from TM
Primal. He has longer antennae, that's the first thing that comes to mind.. I
think his shoulder pads are drawn a bit bigger, too... Kind of a Kelley Jones
Batman look...
>#4 Arcee: During Beast Wars, Rattrap referred to her by saying that "she WAS
>my great aunt." Past tense; meaning she's dead, Jim. So how can she be one
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>the Wreckers fighting alongside Rodimus during Beast Machines?
Easy. Arcee was underground. Rattrap may well have thought she was dead.
Alternately, "great aunt Arcee" may just be an expression... I always took it
to be JUST as big a nod to The Thing from the Fantastic Four (who's constantly
swearing by his Aunt Petunia) as it is to Arcee.
-HX, swears by his aunt Ernie and uncle Steve...
"I must kill you, because God told me to." -Tigatron(?)
"Vooral die smeerlap van een Hooper X !! QWe hate yopu !!!!!!!!!" -Drunken
Dutchmen
www.sexsexworld.com <-PLEASE KILL MY LONELY.
To contact me, take off that stupid looking hat you wear.
ADR Alegre
of the stuff that goes on in TF makes more sense to me now.
>Botcon Comic Spoilers...
Walkerton
According to the Wreckers comic, Rodimus is happily Not-in-Charge and
a member of the Wreckers. And he is upgraded to Maximal technology.
(In flashbacks, he looks like his cartoon model, but after flashing forward
to BM times, he looks like his toy.)
Who has the Matrix? Heck if I know. As far as anyone in BW time is
concerned,
the Matrix is a big facility that cranks out sparks for new Maximals.
Perhaps
the two are linked. Perhaps not.
> #2 Primal Prime: He has the same body that Optimal Optimus has, but he is
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> different person. How is that possible if Megatron is hiding the OPOP
body
> somewhere? Also, am I just reading into his story too deeply, or is there
a
> subtle hint that Primal Prime is the resurrected spark of the original
Optimus
> Prime? (He recognizes Rodimus as if he's met him before...)
According to PP's tech specs and the Wreckers comic, Primal Prime was
created by the Vok from the control harness Quickstrike used to puppet
Optimal Optimus in the BW episode "Master Blaster." He is a conglomeration
of knowledge and tidbits from the Matrix of Leadership. Therefore, he is
all the Primes and previous leaders and holders of the Matrix merged into
one. (Wonder if there's a bit of Thunderwing in there.)
> #3 Onyx Primal and Apelinq: Onyx Primal is the bat version of Optimus
Primal
> and Apelinq is the TM version. Is it just me, or is the idea of these two
guys
> existing just plain weird? That is, Onyx is the Primal that never was,
while
> Apelinq is the Primal that he will soon be. Keep in mind that their story
> occurs during Beast Wars and not BM.
There's a funny bit (well, to me, anyway) in the Wreckers comic where Primal
Prime meets up with BM Optimus Primal, and Optimus asks where Primal
came from and "why are you in my old body?"
Apelinq shows up and says "I believe I can help answer that."
Not sure if that bit of irony was intentional, but I was half-expecting Onyx
Primal to
show up too and say "Yeah, we have allllll the answers... bwahahahaha..."
> #4 Arcee: During Beast Wars, Rattrap referred to her by saying that "she
WAS
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Actually, the line is "What in the name of my Great Aunt Arcee is going on
here?"
And we're not sure whether that was an actual declaration of heritiage or
just
a standard Maximal slang.
> I welcome harsh criticisms and feedbacks from better TF experts than
myself,
> but please don't call me any names.
Okay, Ronald.
--David
www.itswalky.com
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>Later, Rodimus leaves Cybertron looking
>for a new homeworld, never to be seen again.
I think that his mission to find a new home was probably unsuccessful because,
in Battle Stars, he gets resurrected as a micromaster (with no way to fit the
Autobot Matrix in that tiny chest of his either). It also means the matrix is
also lost because he had taken it with him.
On the other hand, Rodimus, Kup, and Blurr could have been the founding fathers
/ancestors of the Maximals in BWII and BWNeo, especially since their stories
occur in deep space.
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> toy-accurate form. It's not obvious unless you really think about it, but take
> a look. Before his Maximalization, he was drawn as cartoon Hot Rod. Rodimus
> is the toy Hot Rod. (Although I think it woulda been even cooler if he'd been
> the MM HotRod that came with Star Convoy...)
Also, if you think about size-comparisons, it's clear that Rodimus'
upgraded form is much smaller than his original form, based on the
interactions he has with BW-sized characters later in the comic.
> >#4 Arcee: During Beast Wars, Rattrap referred to her by saying that "she WAS
> >my great aunt." Past tense; meaning she's dead, Jim. So how can she be one
> >of the Wreckers fighting alongside Rodimus during Beast Machines?
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> Alternately, "great aunt Arcee" may just be an expression... I always took it
> to be JUST as big a nod to The Thing from the Fantastic Four (who's constantly
> swearing by his Aunt Petunia) as it is to Arcee.
Actually, whoever Hooper is quoting (attributions, people!) has
misremembered the dialogue, if I'm not mistaken. Rattrap says something
like "what in the name of my great aunt Arcee?!" Which says nothing about
whether she's alive or not. Maybe he thought she was dead anyway. Or
maybe he's referring to a different Arcee.
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>Also, if you think about size-comparisons, it's clear that Rodimus'
>upgraded form is much smaller than his original form, based on the
>interactions he has with BW-sized characters later in the comic.
I didn't understand that part in the comic, I guess mainly because the symbol
on his chest didn't change from autobot to maximal.
>Actually, whoever Hooper is quoting (attributions, people!) has
>misremembered the dialogue, if I'm not mistaken. Rattrap says something
>like "what in the name of my great aunt Arcee?!"
Yep, I did not remember this dialogue correctly. Sorry folks for the lame
question.
Brendoconandonandonandon
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> different person. How is that possible if Megatron is hiding the OPOP
body
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According to his Tech Spec, Primal Prime's body is the remnants of the gizmo
that Quickstrike used in Master Blaster...
> #4 Arcee: During Beast Wars, Rattrap referred to her by saying that "she
WAS
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Nope he said "my great aunt Arcee". Never said anything about her being
deceased. May not have even meant *the* Arcee. Or it could have been a
flippancy such as "my arse is it"...
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probably reiterating what somebody else has already said... but too tired to
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Derik Smith
>though he no longer has possession of the Autobot Matrix of Leadership. Where
>is that thing anyways? A few months ago, I asked this same question on Ben
>Yee's site, and I got the answer that "one of the Maximal elders may have it."
>By the time of Beast Machines, Rodimus IS ONE of the ELDERS in my opinion
That's the crux of the problem. Rodimus may deserve to be one of the elders,
but he doesn't LIKE being a leader. That was a major theme of G1 season 3,
with like 3 episodes devoted tot he sunject, and numerous anacilliary refs to
it.
>I think he deserves it more than anyone else at this point partly because of
>his age and partly because of his special physiology. (Apparently, Rodimus is
>immune to the virus that Megatron released on Cybertron, and it seems that he
>cannot be upgraded to Maximal either.) In one story, he is known as the "last
>of the Templars." As far as I know, Hot Rod is the only Autobot whose tech
>specs read "FUNCTION: Cavalier." Does anyone know of any others?
It sounded like his special physology is a result of exposure to the Matrix.
And he has been upgraded, or 'downsized' if you would, he just hasn't changed
his body type as others who've been reformatted have.
No one knows what the Templars refers to. The Templars are a religious
military order, and Rod's function as Cavalier literally does mean 'knight,' so
that's up for grabs.
Does Hsbro still own the rights tot he name Hot Rod? I know they releases a
Laser Rod by that name in the UK, but in the US?
Either way, I tend to look at it as an acknowlegment that he's now a fully
mature individual- but not a Prime.
Slightly connected point- one Bob and Larry's premises for BW was that the
Maximal Council was 'dirty.' Conducting experiments to replicate Starscream's
immortal spark, and delegating Primal to dispose of the twisted results... not
the stuff of 'nice guys.'
As tot he Matrix... which one? ;) The straight-on G1 metrix as so many
sub-terms it makes my head hurt. It sounds ot me like you mean the Matrix
housing, last seen in the US being used to activate Vector Sigma. Since the
term 'the matrix' in BW-era means 'that which gives life/ the afterlife' I tend
toa ssume the 2 are still merged, but that entire issue is clouded by the
phenomenally unclear treatment in BM, and the treatment of 'matrices' in BW2
and Neo which kinda-sorta share continuity with the US.
Even more tangentally, Hot Rod was known as 'Hot Rodimus' in Japan, and had a
micromaster (which, I hear was actually a different, real model of car than his
full-sized toy? Is that right?)
...and, the kicker (for me) is that US and JP stories split from each other
with 'Rebirth,' and BM clearly takes place in the same continuity as Rebirth,
yet the wreckers comic features a cameo from a 'Battlestars' character, the
last G1 line from Japan.
...just when continuity looked liek it was becomign a nice, tidy mess, they
drop another truckload onto it. ;)
>#2 Primal Prime: He has the same body that Optimal Optimus has, but he is a
>different person. How is that possible if Megatron is hiding the OPOP body
>somewhere? Also, am I just reading into his story too deeply, or is there a
>subtle hint that Primal Prime is the resurrected spark of the original Optimus
>Prime? (He recognizes Rodimus as if he's met him before...)
In BM, Megatron re-created the 'Optimal Optimus' body from scratch, based on
plans he'd stolen.
Primal Prime was created by the Vok out of the Control Suit Quickstrike used
in 'Master Blaster' and given a patchwork spark from the great Autobot leaders
of history. (HOW the Vok did that is anyone's guess. Optimus Prime was right
there, so they did have an opportunity to use the Matrix...)
Put another way- Primal Prime is Serpentor. Jus tthink of it that way, it
make smy head hurt. (plus I'd kill for him to drop off a 'This I Command!'
line.)
>#3 Onyx Primal and Apelinq: Onyx Primal is the bat version of Optimus Primal
>and Apelinq is the TM version. Is it just me, or is the idea of these two
guys
> existing just plain weird? That is, Onyx is the Primal that never was, while
>Apelinq is the Primal that he will soon be. Keep in mind that their story
>occurs during Beast Wars and not BM.
Still waiting for my comic to arrive in the mail. (Thanks Pall!) But there's
apparently a line acknwleging the resembelance to Apelinq...
It's a wierd 'line' you walk with recolors. Some of them ACKNOWLEGE the fact
that they look like the original (BW Buzzsaw, who was Waspy's partner) some do
not, it was never mentioned, say, Bluestreak and Prowl looked the same. And
Smokescreen, who had the same toy, had a completely different 'look' when
animated; clearly he was NOT meant to be of the same 'make' as the others.
Sandstorm, I assume,was NOT meant to look like Silverbolt (indeed, Silverbolt
was conspicuiously absent from the BC2000 comic to prevent confusion.) I don't
think the similarity between Cheetor and Tigatron was ever commented on. Yet
Ravage went throught 3 'forms' Shadow Panther (Cheetor recolor, reffed as beign
him in TPA's techspec) the Ravage we saw on BW (TM Cheetor recolor/remold), and
'Tripredicus Agent' (TM2 Cheetor.)
Futher confusing things, this year's Transmetal Tigatron was a recolor of
Ravage's Japanese toy- yet the CGI shots of him produced by Mainframe 'add' the
'shoulder packs' they removed from that CGI model for Ravage. So Tigatron,
Cheetor and Shadow Panther all looked the same, yet nobody commented on it.
(Tigartron was noticably taller BTW) Transmetal Tigatron, BWRavage and Tm
cheetor were based ont he same toy, yet were radicly different in appearance.
TM2 cheetor ans Tripredicus Agent were again the same toy, both used Vok
technology...yet who can say if they were 'supposed' to look the same?
Ultimately, I'm of the school of 'if no one NOTICES they look the same, it's
just a coincidence' of recolors. For instance, we haven't seen Terronatron, a
transmetal Dinobot, yet in the comic (think he'll be in next year's...) but
when he shows up, he might be presented as an 'oracle-given techno-organic
body.' Whereas Magmatron was almost certanly NOT reformatted by the Oracle,
and is either immune ot the plague or comes in using Apelinq's shieldsuit
technology.
>#4 Arcee: During Beast Wars, Rattrap referred to her by saying that "she WAS
>my great aunt." Past tense; meaning she's dead, Jim. So how can she be one
of
>the Wreckers fighting alongside Rodimus during Beast Machines? When I first
>heard about this exclusive toy, I thought that this is Arcee's new form
shortly
>after the Great Upgrade, and I had no idea that she is supposed to be still
>alive. (As a fanboy, I'm glad she is still alive.) If I am completely wrong
>about this topic, please enlighten me. If I'm not, I hope the writers for the
>Botcon stories notice this post so that they can clarify some things later on
>on their website. (The Botcon 2001 comic was just as ambiguous).
The line wasn't past tense, as others have pointed out. My impression is that
the 'once considered almost a maternal figure' line of her techspec was
intended to address Rattrap's comment. That fits fairly nicely, since
indications are Rattrap was one of the 'older' Maximals we've met, so he could
easily have met her before his 300 year exile.
a bit overwhelmed himself,
-Derik
"Like the Hitler Youth Movement? Or the Young Republicans?"-Chris Funaro
"There's a difference?"-Me
"Long-term time tables for world domination."-Chris
Zobo the Clown
> Does Hsbro still own the rights tot he name Hot Rod? I know
>they releases a Laser Rod by that name in the UK, but in the US?
No, they don't own the trademark any longer. As near as I can figure, Mattel's
got it now and is using it for one of their Tyco R/C cars.
>Even more tangentally, Hot Rod was known as 'Hot Rodimus' in Japan,
>and had a micromaster (which, I hear was actually a different, real
>model of car than his full-sized toy? Is that right?)
Nope. I owned the toy for a little while, and it's basically a scaled-down
version of Hot Rod in car mode. His spoiler's a little smaller (it ends up on
the front of his legs in robot mode) but he's no more or less an existing
vehicle model than the full-sized Hot Rod was.
Robert Powers
Actually, I've got my own question about the comic:
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She's on post-BW Earth with Tigatron and Primal Prime, but nowhere to
be seen when the Orcale has everyone over for tea and crumpets. Where'd
she go??
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> ...what happened to Airazor?
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> She's on post-BW Earth with Tigatron and Primal Prime, but nowhere to
> be seen when the Orcale has everyone over for tea and crumpets. Where'd
> she go??
Probably....
DEAD DEAD DEAD DEAD!
Ha ha!
--David
www.itswalky.com
Aaron F. Bourque
> Actually, I've got my own question about the comic:
>
>>S
>>P
>>O
>>I
>>L
>>E
>>R
>>
>>S
>>P
>>A
>>C
>>E
>>
> ...what happened to Airazor?
>
> She's on post-BW Earth with Tigatron and Primal Prime, but nowhere to
>be seen when the Orcale has everyone over for tea and crumpets. Where'd
>she go??
Even the Oracle found her dull.
:)
Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque
--
"If you don't know concentration, which gives you peculiar pleasure, your life
looks like hell."--Hiroyuki Nishigaki
Bobbi Carothers
> | Wings *DOWN*!!! |
Hah hah!!!!! I win!!! Heeeheheheheheheheheheheheeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!
-Bobbi... see? Toldja I was right. >:)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fear is that little darkroom where negatives are developed.
- Michael Prichard
DarkClaw
"Walkerton" <wii...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> > > Actually, I've got my own question about the comic:
> >
> > >S
> > >P
> > >O
> > >I
> > >L
> > >E
> > >R
> > >
> > >S
> > >P
> > >A
> > >C
> > >E
> > >
> Probably....
>
> DEAD DEAD DEAD DEAD!
Again!
-- DC; She's still got a ways before she catches up to the Optimuses,
though. (Optimi?)
"Journalism is just a gun. It's only got one bullet in it, but if you
aim right, that's all you need. Aim it right, and you can blow a
kneecap off the world..."
--Spider Jerusalem, "Transmetropolitan"
Robert Powers
Behold! On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:01:13 -0400, Bobbi Carothers
<caro...@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu> did speak:
>Hah hah!!!!! I win!!! Heeeheheheheheheheheheheheeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!
>
>-Bobbi... see? Toldja I was right. >:)
BOBBI YOU FOOL. You will pay that traitory, yes............... this
changes nothing... NOTHING! You are not a TRUE FAN, D00D!! As long as my
Spark lives, I'll fight for EVERY Airazor's right to have their wings
displayed correctly -- even YOURS! Cybertron won't find you now, and the
wars will go on -- till *I* am the victor! (or at least the peter
cullen...)
BTW, I should really post a big long rant about how Dan & the Hartmans
have desecrated the spirit of the character and ruined all that she stood
for, and how this will kill Transformers forever because Hasblow sucksors,
whatever THAT means. No, really. I should. Mm-hmm. It's the logical
thing to do.
--
Robert Powers
repo...@uwm.edu ________________________________________
| Built St. Louis |
| http://www.BuiltStLouis.net/ |
|________ Tracking the city's endangered architecture _|
Bobbi Carothers
> BTW, I should really post a big long rant about how Dan & the Hartmans
> have desecrated the spirit of the character and ruined all that she stood
> for, and how this will kill Transformers forever because Hasblow sucksors,
> whatever THAT means. No, really. I should. Mm-hmm. It's the logical
> thing to do.
Heh heh. You're protesting *way* too much, here. You even said it
yourself. "Wings down." See? Your subconscious knows the truth, even if
you can't handle it. >:)
-Bobbi... this has totally made my day...
Walkerton
Hartmans
> > have desecrated the spirit of the character and ruined all that she
stood
> > for, and how this will kill Transformers forever because Hasblow
sucksors,
> > whatever THAT means. No, really. I should. Mm-hmm. It's the logical
> > thing to do.
>
> Heh heh. You're protesting *way* too much, here. You even said it
> yourself. "Wings down." See? Your subconscious knows the truth, even if
> you can't handle it. >:)
>
> -Bobbi... this has totally made my day...
Now, now, Bobbi, when your life is ruled by how others perceive miniscule
trivialities of the Transformers universe, I think it's time to take a step
back... ;)
--David
www.itswalky.com
Robert Powers
Behold! On Fri, 27 Jul 2001 04:59:36 GMT, Walkerton <wii...@hotmail.com>
did speak:
>> -Bobbi... this has totally made my day...
>
>Now, now, Bobbi, when your life is ruled by how others perceive miniscule
>trivialities of the Transformers universe, I think it's time to take a step
>back... ;)
Walky, I think it should be obvious that Ms. Carothers is already too
far gone for simplistic solutions like that. More drastic measures are
called for, I fear. Measures involving nice young men in clean white
coats. Or blue Planet of the Apes dudes, maybe.
I mean, wings down? C'mon, what's that all about?
Bobbi Carothers
> Behold! On Fri, 27 Jul 2001 04:59:36 GMT, Walkerton <wii...@hotmail.com>
> did speak:
> >
> >Now, now, Bobbi, when your life is ruled by how others perceive miniscule
> >trivialities of the Transformers universe, I think it's time to take a step
> >back... ;)
Probably more than just *one* step. At any rate, Rob and I have been
debating this for *years.* This is a hard-won victory, so you'll have to
forgive me if I celebrate a bit. :)
> I mean, wings down? C'mon, what's that all about?
That's a question you should ask *yourself,* Mr. Powers.
-Bobbi... Rob just doesn't want to admit that he got beat by a woman. ;)
Robert Powers
Behold! On Fri, 27 Jul 2001 12:24:46 -0400, Bobbi Carothers
<caro...@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu> did speak:
>Probably more than just *one* step. At any rate, Rob and I have been
>debating this for *years.* This is a hard-won victory, so you'll have to
>forgive me if I celebrate a bit. :)
More to the point, Bobbi has been *losing* the debate for years, so any
percieved triumph, no matter how trivial and specious, is enough for her
to latch on to. >:D
>-Bobbi... Rob just doesn't want to admit that he got beat by a woman. ;)
...
There's really no way for me to reply to that, without geting into
territory of "more info than the newsgroup needs"... :O
Bobbi Carothers
> More to the point, Bobbi has been *losing* the debate for years, so any
> percieved triumph, no matter how trivial and specious, is enough for her
> to latch on to. >:D
Pheh. You waved the white-flag of surrender yourself, mister. I won the
*war*. In the end, that's what counts. >:)
-Bobbi
Stranger
Airrzor's wings go up or down?
When and how did it start? Is it like the Frenzy and Rumble argument?
--
Stranger- Impulse's #1 fan, next to Max of course.
Bobbi Carothers <caro...@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu> wrote in message
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Robert Powers
Behold! On Fri, 27 Jul 2001 12:49:47 -0500, Stranger
<Phantom-...@mail.utexas.edu> did speak:
>Ok this debate has me confused. Has there been some debate over whether
>Airrzor's wings go up or down?
>
>When and how did it start? Is it like the Frenzy and Rumble argument?
Well, lemme tell ya exactly how it is.
Bobbi over there has this insane, delusional notion that Transmetal
Airazor's wings are supposed to be pointed downwards in robot mode,
dragging behind her like a couple of prehensile slug limbs or something.
She bases this fantasy on a paltry display of irrelevant "evidence",
including minor things like package art, instructions, and that one
trivial (fullpageshutupfuckyou) panel in the BotCon comic.
I have explained to her numerous times in clear, logical, fact-based
terms that this is not the case, that all admissible evidence clearly
dictates that the wings should point upwards in a kickasswardly fashion
reminiscent of the Seeker jets of olde, and that she's clinically insane
for thinking otherwise. Sadly, my rationality could not penetrate the
self-imposed muddleheaded fog that clouds her vision, and to this day she
persists in desecrating the very spirit of the character by pointing the
wings down -- despite the spate of irrefutible proof that the wings should
go up, including but not limited to the incontrovertible fact that she
looks cooler with them up, as well as conclusive evidence such as the fact
that I like her better that way.
Clearly Bobbi is not a TRUE FAN.
Bobbi Carothers
> Well, lemme tell ya exactly how it is.
Ah-heh.
> Bobbi over there has this insane, delusional notion that Transmetal
> Airazor's wings are supposed to be pointed downwards in robot mode,
> dragging behind her like a couple of prehensile slug limbs or something.
> She bases this fantasy on a paltry display of irrelevant "evidence",
> including minor things like package art, instructions, and that one
> trivial (fullpageshutupfuckyou) panel in the BotCon comic.
Well, *mostly* the fact that Airazor can't stand worth a crap with her
wings up, particularly with the cat jumping around the apartment. Let's
not forget what's really important, here!
(Not to mention his *very own* post a couple days ago, where he in fact
stated "Wings *DOWN*!!" in his .sig, for which he has yet to explain.)
> despite the spate of irrefutible proof that the wings should
> go up, including but not limited to the incontrovertible fact that she
> looks cooler with them up, as well as conclusive evidence such as the fact
> that I like her better that way.
In other words, Rob is delusional. Were I a clinical psychology student,
I would be able to describe his condition in more complete detail, but
alas, I am in social psych. I study "normal" people. The parameters of
Rob's mind, therefore, lie outside my area of expertise.
> Clearly Bobbi is not a TRUE FAN.
Clearly, Rob doesn't think clearly at all.
-Bobbi... I can only hope that someday he will correct his misled ways...
Robert Powers
Behold! On Fri, 27 Jul 2001 15:37:28 -0400, Bobbi Carothers
<caro...@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu> did speak:
>Well, *mostly* the fact that Airazor can't stand worth a crap with her
>wings up, particularly with the cat jumping around the apartment.
I never had any such problems. If the cat gets in the way, tie her
down! Bwahahaha!
Let's
>not forget what's really important, here!
Oh, I'm not. What's important is representing the character in a
superlative manner befitting her kick-ass stature as portrayed on the
show. A fact that you, Ms. Wings-Down person, seem to have FORGOTTEN.
You call yourself an Airazor fan, yet you turn around and stab the
character and all she stands for in the back. What kind of fan is that?
At least Walky over there can *admit* his misguided hatred, instead of
funnelling it into some kind of self-deceptive campaign to slander the
character under a pretense of affection. Not you!
>(Not to mention his *very own* post a couple days ago, where he in fact
>stated "Wings *DOWN*!!" in his .sig, for which he has yet to explain.)
There's this one episode of Star Trek: Next Generation, where some
crazed Cardassian has Picard all tied up and he's torturing him. He's got
4 lights in front of him, and he keeps telling Picard that if he'll just
see 5 lights instead of 4, the torture will end. Picard refuses to admit
it, of course -- but at the end of the episode, he confesses that at one
point, pushed to the edge by his torment, he really did see 5 lights.
Clearly, in a similar manner, the stress of debating with an unhinged
mind such as yours pushed me, however briefly, over the brink of sanity
and into the realm of thinking Airazor looks better wings down -- an abyss
from which I swiftly clawed my way out of, but too late to do anything
about that one post, alas.
>In other words, Rob is delusional. Were I a clinical psychology student,
>I would be able to describe his condition in more complete detail, but
Yes. Blame the victim. Try to throw off the scent by parotting
baseless counter-accusations. It won't work! You're not fooling anyone
but yourself! You can't beat me! I'M INVINCIBLE!!
--
Robert Powers of the Stubbornly-Unchanging .sig
repo...@uwm.edu _________________________________________
| Brawn lives! |
| Retrax rules! |
| Airazor is a babe! |
| Frenzy is red; Rumble is blue! |
| Unicron would eat the Death Star for breakfast! |
| Wings UP! UP UP UP UP UP UP UP UP UP UP!!!!! |
Aaron F. Bourque
>Behold! On Fri, 27 Jul 2001 15:37:28 -0400, Bobbi Carothers
><caro...@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu> did speak:
>>Well, *mostly* the fact that Airazor can't stand worth a crap with her
>>wings up, particularly with the cat jumping around the apartment.
>
> I never had any such problems. If the cat gets in the way, tie her
>down! Bwahahaha!
Wait, up, or down?
Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque; getting mixed messages from
you, here . . .
Walkerton
> crazed Cardassian has Picard all tied up and he's torturing him. He's got
> 4 lights in front of him, and he keeps telling Picard that if he'll just
> see 5 lights instead of 4, the torture will end. Picard refuses to admit
> it, of course -- but at the end of the episode, he confesses that at one
> point, pushed to the edge by his torment, he really did see 5 lights.
I'm going with Bobbi now. She'd never make a Star Trek analogy.
Nerd.
--David
www.itswalky.com
Bobbi Carothers
> I never had any such problems. If the cat gets in the way, tie her
> down! Bwahahaha!
That's mighty ambitious. You've never tried to bathe a cat, have you?
> Oh, I'm not. What's important is representing the character in a
> superlative manner befitting her kick-ass stature as portrayed on the
> show. A fact that you, Ms. Wings-Down person, seem to have FORGOTTEN.
> You call yourself an Airazor fan, yet you turn around and stab the
> character and all she stands for in the back. What kind of fan is that?
Uh-huh. She can't stand for much of anything when she's lying flat on her
back 'cause she fell over from having her wings up, can she? Between this
and the comment of tying my female cat down, I think we're starting to see
the real you, here, Rob. YOU JUST WANT TO KEEP WOMEN DOWN!! Yeah!
That's it! Well, I for one am sick and tired of your misogynist vitriol,
and I won't stand for it any longer!
> At least Walky over there can *admit* his misguided hatred,
Sure, then he switched sides after your Start Trek analogy. So there.
> Clearly, in a similar manner, the stress of debating with an unhinged
> mind such as yours pushed me, however briefly, over the brink of sanity
> and into the realm of thinking Airazor looks better wings down
My, my. If my reasoning tools of pure logic have pushed you to claim
having hallucinations, then maybe you are the one who should take a few
steps back.
> Yes. Blame the victim. Try to throw off the scent by parotting
> baseless counter-accusations. It won't work! You're not fooling anyone
> but yourself! You can't beat me! I'M INVINCIBLE!!
I'm merely trying to help you, Robert. Trust me, it's for your own good.
-Bobbi
Robert Powers
Behold! On Sat, 28 Jul 2001 09:43:17 -0400, Bobbi Carothers
<caro...@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu> did speak:
>Uh-huh. She can't stand for much of anything when she's lying flat on her
>back 'cause she fell over from having her wings up, can she? Between this
Like I said, you are clearly not a TRUE FAN. A TRUE FAN would be able
to get her to stand up. Someone like.... ME. </tankor>
>and the comment of tying my female cat down, I think we're starting to see
>the real you, here, Rob. YOU JUST WANT TO KEEP WOMEN DOWN!! Yeah!
>That's it! Well, I for one am sick and tired of your misogynist vitriol,
>and I won't stand for it any longer!
Sounds to me like you're just afraid of letting Airazor be seen as the
kick butt Woman that she is. Afraid of being shown up, hrm, is that it?
>> At least Walky over there can *admit* his misguided hatred,
>
>Sure, then he switched sides after your Start Trek analogy. So there.
Walky has always been one of the overt Anti-Airzor.
Maybe if you'd ever get your butt into #wiigii! you'd see this. The
truth is plain to see for anyone who cares to look past all the
propoganda.
>My, my. If my reasoning tools of pure logic have pushed you to claim
>having hallucinations, then maybe you are the one who should take a few
>steps back.
I don't see how "reasoning", "tools", or "logic" apply to any of your
so-called arguments here. "Pure", maybe - like, PURE BS. Ha! Oh! Oh!
I kill me!
>I'm merely trying to help you, Robert. Trust me, it's for your own good.
I'm truly concerned for your well-being here, Bobbi -- and that of
Transfan society at large. This exact train of thought has been used
throughout Transformer history to justify some of the fandom's worst
toy-display attrocities -- things like attaching Prowl's missile
launchers, giving Grapple two hands instead of a gun arm, placing Fracus
on Scourge's head instead of his head laser, or leaving Ultra Magnus where
he can be seen instead of chucking him into a closet.
Seek professional help, Bobbi. It's never too late to see the light
and start over, displaying your Airazor with her wings UP. Dammit.
--
Robert Powers of the Ever-Changing .sig
repo...@uwm.edu
http://www.BuiltStLouis.net/ ______________________________________
| "The white zone is for loading and unloading of passengers only. |
|_ There is no standing in the red zone." _________________________|
Bobbi Carothers
> Like I said, you are clearly not a TRUE FAN. A TRUE FAN would be able
> to get her to stand up. Someone like.... ME. </tankor>
True fan? I spent a total of 24 hours behind the wheel of my car (23 of
which I had *no* music) two weeks ago in order to attend BotCon. *Where*
were you? Home! I have a 4-digit income, and I still scraped up enough
money to get there. *Where* were you? Home! I did all of the driving by
myself, when, conceivably, you could have split it with Phil. *Where*
were you? Home!
No question of who the true fan is, here.
> Sounds to me like you're just afraid of letting Airazor be seen as the
> kick butt Woman that she is. Afraid of being shown up, hrm, is that it?
Shown up? Hell, I already *know* she could kick my ass. You see, I *am*
a reasonable person. More so than you, apparently.
> I'm truly concerned for your well-being here, Bobbi -- and that of
> Transfan society at large. This exact train of thought has been used
> throughout Transformer history to justify some of the fandom's worst
> toy-display attrocities -- things like attaching Prowl's missile
> launchers, giving Grapple two hands instead of a gun arm, placing Fracus
> on Scourge's head instead of his head laser, or leaving Ultra Magnus where
> he can be seen instead of chucking him into a closet.
Once again, you have proven my point. You condem any attempt to instill
agency within toy displays. You wish to rob Prowl of his missile-
launching abilities, deprive Grapple of the basic right of a living being
to have two hands, and would prefer Ultra Magnus not even see the light of
day! What kind of sick, twisted toy owner are you?
Seriously, are you slated as the antagonist for "Toy Story 3?"
> Seek professional help, Bobbi. It's never too late to see the light
> and start over,
Rob, you must understand that admitting one's faults is the first step to
recovery, but it is something that must come from within yourself. I can
only lead you to water, but I cannot make you drink it.
Hopefully, your thirst for truth will someday finally break you of your
ignorance.
Stranger
along....
So, Bobbi says the wings go down because the instructions and art show them
that way.
And Rob says they go up, cuz they look cooler that way.
Am I missing anything else? Cuz it seems to be a slam-dunk argument
otherwise.
Jen One
I do not see what all the fuss is about. Bobbi, Rob, you can transform her
however you want to, right? =)
Please don't hurt me...
How do I learn
To give love and be loved in return?
I'm controlled by my fear
And all the voices in my head that I can hear...
~ Robbie Williams - Love Calling Earth ~
Zobo the Clown
>I do not see what all the fuss is about. Bobbi, Rob, you can transform
>her however you want to, right? =)
Now, don't you go ruining the fun by trying to be sensible... :)
SILVERBOLT - Mr. Vertigo Himself
Remind me to discuss your definition of fun sometime. <'Charger> :)
--
Rikard Bakke
silve...@enitel.no
The Cybertron Chronicle
http://members.nbci.com/cybertronchronicle/
Transformers Fan Code
G++ FR FW+ #74 D+ AA+ N++ W++ B++ OQP BC98++ BC99++ BC2000++ BC2001++ CN+++ OM+
Robert Powers
Behold! On Mon, 30 Jul 2001 21:27:32 -0400, Bobbi Carothers
<caro...@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu> did speak:
>True fan? I spent a total of 24 hours behind the wheel of my car (23 of
>which I had *no* music) two weeks ago in order to attend BotCon. *Where*
>were you? Home! I have a 4-digit income, and I still scraped up enough
>money to get there. *Where* were you? Home! I did all of the driving by
>myself, when, conceivably, you could have split it with Phil. *Where*
>were you? Home!
Sorta like what you did in '97, eh? The only difference being that it
was IN THE SAME CITY YOU WERE IN. As opposed to myself, who would slog
out to the next three BotCons in a row, even though none of them were on
the same COAST as I was.
Who's the true fan now, Optimus?! </galvatron>
>Shown up? Hell, I already *know* she could kick my ass. You see, I *am*
And she would, if she could only see how you're displaying her toy!
>agency within toy displays. You wish to rob Prowl of his missile-
>launching abilities, deprive Grapple of the basic right of a living being
>to have two hands,
They did it to themselves! Just watch the show! You un-TRUE FAN!
and would prefer Ultra Magnus not even see the light of
>day! What kind of sick, twisted toy owner are you?
...you've never seen the Ultra Magnus toy, have you? Probably comes
from being such a not-TRUE FAN.
>Rob, you must understand that admitting one's faults is the first step to
>recovery, but it is something that must come from within yourself. I can
>only lead you to water, but I cannot make you drink it.
I wouldn't drink ANY water that YOU lead me to! It'd probaby be
poisoned! You've made your hatred for those who disagree with your
twisted, misguided opinions abundantly clear -- almost as clear as your
willingness to stand by those opinions even in the face of overwhelming
contradictory evidence.
You are a sick, twisted individual.
--
Robert Powers of the Ever-Changing .sig
repo...@uwm.edu _______________________________________
| "Well. I hope this has been as pleasant for you, |
| as it was for me..." |
|___________-- Commandant Lassard, "Police Academy"_|
Robert Powers
Behold! On 31 Jul 2001 03:05:48 GMT, Jen One <tfje...@aol.com> did speak:
>I do not see what all the fuss is about. Bobbi, Rob, you can transform her
>however you want to, right? =)
Yes, that's right. I can transform her however I want. And Bobbi can
transform her however I want, too.
Sounds like a reasonable and fair solution to me!
--
Robert Powers of the Ever-Changing .sig
repo...@uwm.edu
http://www.BuiltStLouis.net/ _____
| "Moltar! Flush the lake!" |
| "We don't have a lake." |
| "Good work." |
|_ -- Space Ghost Coast to Coast _|
Bobbi Carothers
> Sorta like what you did in '97, eh? The only difference being that it
> was IN THE SAME CITY YOU WERE IN.
My return to the fandom was merely in its infancy in the summer of 97. I
didn't know anyone, and hadn't heard about BotCon until after the
registration deadline. Furthermore, I was still living in Syracuse at the
time. Yes, I was in Rochester the day of the convention, but I was
looking for a place to *live*, and spent most of my day orbiting the city
on routes 390, 490, and 90.
You see, some of us can still be true fans and yet manage to live in the
real world.
> Who's the true fan now, Optimus?! </galvatron>
^^^
Well, heck, if we're talking about the present, I've already proven that
one!
> >Shown up? Hell, I already *know* she could kick my ass. You see, I *am*
>
> And she would, if she could only see how you're displaying her toy!
Hey, I display her the way she portrayed herself in that big, shiny,
full-page panel in the BotCon comic. If anything, she'd kick *your* ass
for suggesting something as ridiculous as keeping her wings up.
> ...you've never seen the Ultra Magnus toy, have you? Probably comes
> from being such a not-TRUE FAN.
As a matter of fact, I have. A TRUE FAN would accept him as he is, and
not ostracize him for his seeming faults. As someone who claims to be a
defender of Retrax, one would think you'd know better, but apparently not.
Oh yeah, that's right. You just took down the Retrax page. Huh. I would
think that some amount of loyalty goes into being a TRUE FAN. So much for
that. Hell, you don't even *have* an Airazor page! What kind of
worthless website are you running over there?
> I wouldn't drink ANY water that YOU lead me to!
Fine. Die of thirst and stubborn ignorance. I've done all I can for you.
> You've made your hatred for those who disagree with your
> twisted, misguided opinions abundantly clear
If your miniscule reasoning power can only perceive my immense wisdom as
hatred, then you have a good deal of maturing to do, mister.
Oh yeah, WINGS DOWN, in case you've forgotten what we're arguing about,
here.
Aziraphale - Flying with Jetstorm
alt.toys.transformers as "DarkClaw" <dkcl...@hotmail.com> said :
<snip>
>-- DC; She's still got a ways before she catches up to the Optimuses,
>though. (Optimi?)
>
Eg.:
<We never saw Tigerhawk really die.>
Let's say that his heavily damaged frame fell down into the ocean,
floated towards the shore an flushed ashore against two undiscovered
stasispods with "blanco's" in them.
Airazor and Tigatron's sparks separe, leave Tigerhawk's body, and each
go into one of the stasis pods.
After a few minutes, each of the stasispods starts scanning the
environment. One of them scans a falcon, the other a dead tiger.
The pods open. Transmetal Airazor and Transmetal Tigatron come out.
A new story begins...
--
|=======================================================|
| |
| |
| |
|=======================================================|
Hooper X
><We never saw Tigerhawk really die.>
>
>Let's say that his heavily damaged frame fell down into the ocean,
>floated towards the shore an flushed ashore against two undiscovered
>stasispods with "blanco's" in them.
No, that's not what happened.
We already know how Airazor and Tigatron came back. We just need to know what
happened to them AFTER that.
-HX, BotCon, baby. BotCon.
"I must kill you, because God told me to." -Tigatron(?)
"Vooral die smeerlap van een Hooper X !! QWe hate yopu !!!!!!!!!" -Drunken
Dutchmen
www.sexsexworld.com <-PLEASE KILL MY LONELY.
To contact me, take off that stupid looking hat you wear.
Robert Powers
Behold! On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:25:51 -0400, Bobbi Carothers
<caro...@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu> did speak:
>My return to the fandom was merely in its infancy in the summer of 97. I
>didn't know anyone, and hadn't heard about BotCon until after the
>registration deadline. Furthermore, I was still living in Syracuse at the
>time.
Blah blah blah, excuses excuses. Pathetic!
Anyway, I think the cutoff date for TRUE FANDOM was mid-'96. Might
have to check Google.com to confirm that, but I'm pretty sure that anyone
who came on board after the end of that year is by default not a TRUE FAN.
>You see, some of us can still be true fans and yet manage to live in the
>real world.
I find your claims in both cases to be highly dubious at very best.
>Hey, I display her the way she portrayed herself in that big, shiny,
>full-page panel in the BotCon comic.
Drawn by mere flawed mortal humans, and certainly not subject to HER
approval. And haven't we already established that that was just, like,
concept art or something?
> If anything, she'd kick *your* ass
>for suggesting something as ridiculous as keeping her wings up.
This threat has been reported to your service provider.
Do it again and I'll kick your ass.
>As a matter of fact, I have. A TRUE FAN would accept him as he is, and
>not ostracize him for his seeming faults.
No, the TRUE FAN wants the great and glorious character of Ultra Magnus
to have a toy which embodies the shining coolness of his cartoon/comic
model -- not that big ugly brick that he got in G1.
>Oh yeah, that's right. You just took down the Retrax page. Huh. I would
>think that some amount of loyalty goes into being a TRUE FAN. So much for
>that. Hell, you don't even *have* an Airazor page! What kind of
>worthless website are you running over there?
Yeah, I guess it's not nearly as good as YOUR web page.
...oh, wait. You don't HAVE a web page, do you, Ms. NOT A TRUE FAN?
Can't even be bothered to put ANYTHING on the web, Airazor or otherwise,
can you? Maybe you should ponder your choice of transparent facade
materials before hurling cooled igneous fragments!
>If your miniscule reasoning power can only perceive my immense wisdom as
>hatred, then you have a good deal of maturing to do, mister.
I can see past the twisted cloak of deceptive rhetoric you've pulled
tight around yourself, yes. Your fragile sense of fannishness, fueled by
some subconscious knowledge that you are not a TRUE FAN, has caused you to
become embroiled in a tangled web of hatred, lies, blasphemy, and
wrongly-displayed toys.
Please, Bobbi. Stop the madness.
>Oh yeah, WINGS DOWN, in case you've forgotten what we're arguing about,
>here.
Oh yeah?! Well.... *WINGS UP*!!!
So THERE!
Ha! Looks like I sure told YOU.
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SILVERBOLT - Mr. Vertigo Himself
>
> Behold! On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:25:51 -0400, Bobbi Carothers
> <caro...@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu> did speak:
>
> > My return to the fandom was merely in its infancy in the summer
> > of 97. I didn't know anyone, and hadn't heard about BotCon until
> > after the registration deadline. Furthermore, I was still living in
> > Syracuse at the time.
>
> Blah blah blah, excuses excuses. Pathetic!
I just basically think you two really need to get a room.
Bobbi Carothers
In light of Rikard's leaving and comment about pissing contests, I feel
the compulsion to explain a couple of things, here.
Although this thread may look like an all-out flame-fest to the untrained
eye, it's actually more of a good-natured watergun fight, and Rob and I
are fairly good friends, IRL. Our opinions regarding the positioning of
Airazor's wings are divergent, rediculously stubborn, and quite genuine,
but the words and phrases we've been directing at each other regarding the
"issue" are *not* heartfelt. We've been having fun doing a parody of
flame-wars past, continuing in a public forum under the assumption that
others have found it to be as much fun as we have. If enough people
genuinely find this aggravating before it runs out of steam, let us know
and we'll take it somewhere else.
For the benefit of the newbies, don't judge us by our behavior on this
thread. Look us up on Google. Perhaps it's been a bit elitist of us to
assume that others would know that we're just having fun.
After all, that's what we're here for, right?
</RealBobbi>
On 4 Aug 2001, Robert Powers wrote:
> Anyway, I think the cutoff date for TRUE FANDOM was mid-'96. Might
> have to check Google.com to confirm that, but I'm pretty sure that anyone
> who came on board after the end of that year is by default not a TRUE FAN.
You just lost yourself a good chunk of #wiigii!, pal. Least you forget
that I am the Queen of LONELY and have powers that even *you* cannot
fathom!
> Drawn by mere flawed mortal humans, and certainly not subject to HER
> approval.
Whoah, Rob, your reality check just bounced, here. Do I really need to
remind you that we're discussing a fictional character? <looks up the
number for the local psychiatric hospital>
> And haven't we already established that that was just, like,
> concept art or something?
In your own fictional universe, maybe. <dials number for the local
psychiatric hospital>
> This threat has been reported to your service provider.
One of the nice things about an .edu account - I'm personal friends with
the sys.admin! I am impervious to your threats!!
> Do it again and I'll kick your ass.
Yeah, 170 lbs of you vs. 125 lbs of me. *You're* a tough guy.
Ah, hell. Drive yourself the 600 miles east and try it. No? Huh. All
talk, eh?
> No, the TRUE FAN wants the great and glorious character of Ultra Magnus
> to have a toy which embodies the shining coolness of his cartoon/comic
> model -- not that big ugly brick that he got in G1.
Sure, a TRUE FAN wants that. But SANE TRUE FANs realize we can't always
get what we want, so we take what we get and are grateful we can get it at
all.
> Yeah, I guess it's not nearly as good as YOUR web page.
>
> ...oh, wait. You don't HAVE a web page, do you, Ms. NOT A TRUE FAN?
> Can't even be bothered to put ANYTHING on the web, Airazor or otherwise,
> can you?
I don't need a web page. All of my contributions to the fandom have
already been put up on Lexicon and/or are shared here. I simply don't
feel the need to repeat myself. Such is the greatness of me.
> Maybe you should ponder your choice of transparent facade
> materials before hurling cooled igneous fragments!
Pheh! My home of choice is a 3-season backpacking tent, which will shed
your paltry rocks a million times better than any glass house!
> Please, Bobbi. Stop the madness.
Robert, you're projecting again. Can't you translate your own strangled
plea for help?
> Oh yeah?! Well.... *WINGS UP*!!!
>
> So THERE!
>
> Ha! Looks like I sure told YOU.
Uh-huh. Just like you told us "WINGS DOWN!!" last week, eh?
-Bobbi... don't try this at home, kids...
ADR Alegre
>assume that others would know that we're just having fun.
I'm a newbie, and I thought it was all in fun. It's sad that a vet like
Silverbolt didn't see it that way, though.
Robert Powers
Behold! On Sun, 5 Aug 2001 15:33:39 -0400, Bobbi Carothers
<caro...@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu> did speak:
><RealBobbi>
>In light of Rikard's leaving and comment about pissing contests, I feel
>the compulsion to explain a couple of things, here.
>
>Although this thread may look like an all-out flame-fest to the untrained
>eye, it's actually more of a good-natured watergun fight, and Rob and I
>are fairly good friends, IRL.
Yeah, me too. Like she said.
Geez, scanning through ATT tonight has really got me down, now. Lots of
people screaming at each other, and now Rik leaving over (in part, at
least) a comment that I made. I'm kinda bummed out. I try to avoid
saying harsh stuff, and it seems like every time I break that rule it
comes around to slap me in the face.
Oh well. Go read my Neo reviews, people. Post. Reply. Discuss.
Yippee.
Oh, and wings up. Hooray.
http://www.geocities.com/repowers/wingsupmotherfucker.jpg
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Finback
<Pine.GSO.4.10.101080...@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu>...
> One of the nice things about an .edu account - I'm personal friends with
> the sys.admin! I am impervious to your threats!!
And we're talking "preying mantits" here..
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Bobbi Carothers
> Oh, gods, Bobbi - I read that as "impervious to your breasts"..
Poor, LONELY Fin. I'll forgive you, this time. :)
> And we're talking "preying mantits" here..
<snerk>
ObTF: Wings Down!!
-Bobbi... off to dog-sit. Dogs really seem to like me. Maybe 'cause I'm
such a bitch?
Rookie Altair
Guys, I've read the whole thread and you've just made me wonder why I
left this group for so long. OK, Google had to do with it... but I
missed this! (Altair wipes away a tear).
repo...@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (Robert Powers) wrote in message news:<>
> Geez, scanning through ATT tonight has really got me down, now. Lots of
> people screaming at each other, and now Rik leaving over (in part, at
> least) a comment that I made. I'm kinda bummed out.
(Altair gives Rob some chocolate).
I understand how you feel. Believe me, right know I DO. What can I
say? Even if I hadn't known Bobbi and you, it would had seemed obvious
(at least for me) that it was a joke. Oh well...
> Oh, and wings up. Hooray.
Eh... ok, I won't say anything. But personally, eh... I tend to side
with Bobbi in this particular matter.
Misbehave,
Altair (once known as Marijose)
Happy to be back... back to lurkdom, but hey, something's something.
Douglas W. Dlin
>
> Misbehave,
> Altair (once known as Marijose)
> Happy to be back... back to lurkdom, but hey, something's something.
Whoah--there's a name I've not seen in ages! Welcome back, Mari!
Doug Dlin
ap...@hotmail.com
Robert Powers
Behold! On 6 Aug 2001 15:04:32 -0700, Rookie Altair
<mdart...@yahoo.com> did speak:
>> Oh, and wings up. Hooray.
>
>Eh... ok, I won't say anything. But personally, eh... I tend to side
>with Bobbi in this particular matter.
Then you're obviously crazy too! Just like her! :P
>Misbehave,
>Altair (once known as Marijose)
Yay!!
>Happy to be back... back to lurkdom, but hey, something's something.
No! No lurking! Post, darn you!
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Hooper X
>Happy to be back... back to lurkdom, but hey, something's something.
>
Holy SHIT.
There's a name I haven't seen bandied around these parts in a while. Welcome
back.
-HX
Bobbi Carothers
> (Altair gives Rob some chocolate).
<sniff> Don't I get any chocolate? It's the only vice I have!
> Eh... ok, I won't say anything. But personally, eh... I tend to side
> with Bobbi in this particular matter.
Hah hah!!! My power grows ever stronger, Robert!
> Altair (once known as Marijose)
Yay!! Welcome back!!
-Bobbi
Aziraphale - Flying with Jetstorm
alt.toys.transformers as Bobbi Carothers
<caro...@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu> said :
<snip>
> If enough people
>genuinely find this aggravating before it runs out of steam, let us know
>and we'll take it somewhere else.
No. Please go on. It's funny.
I wish I could write like that...
Aziraphale, each time I try I get no response, but that might have to
do something with the fact that I am probably killfiled by quite a lot
of people...
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Rookie Altair
Hi Doug!
Hi HX!
I'm really happy to be back. It was a loooong and dark time.
Rob "wings up" Powers wrote:
> Then you're obviously crazy too! Just like her! :P
I broke my own record... now it only took a day to be called crazy.
:')
But seriously, you claim that Airrazor's wings should go *up* based on
her personality; Bobbi claims they should go *down* based on
practicality (or at least that was what I understood).
My take on the subject is that they should go *down* because it's more
aesthetically pleasant. Just like happens with real life birds.
Please don't hit me.
> Yay!!
:P
> No! No lurking! Post, darn you!
Yes sir!
Eh... as soon as I have the chance. ^^U
Misbehave
Altair (aka Marijose)
Who's just found a terrible spelling mistake on her first message. Oh
well...
Rookie Altair
> <sniff> Don't I get any chocolate? It's the only vice I have!
I sincerely apologize, Bobbi.
(Altair gives Bobbi two boxes of chocolate).
It's just that, in that moment, it seemed to me that Rob was the one
in need of chocolate (ñam, an anti-depressive vice)
> Hah hah!!! My power grows ever stronger, Robert!
Never underestimate the power of angsty fanfics!
> Yay!! Welcome back!!
Thanks. ^^
Misbehave,
Altair aka Marijose
A chocolate "addict" in her own right.
Aziraphale - Flying with Jetstorm
alt.toys.transformers as repo...@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (Robert Powers)
said :
<snip>
>Robert Powers of the Inbred .sig
It probably has wings that point upwards...
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Aziraphale...
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