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Zobovor

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Jul 29, 2017, 3:42:54 PM7/29/17
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Went to Target last night because I'd heard that Misfire and Twin Twist have started to make public appearances at retail, and I've also still been hunting for Sixshot (who I've had more trouble finding than any other Titans Return toy thus far). The Leader-class toys just went on clearance at Walmart which means we're not going to be carrying them for the forseeable future, so I've grown a bit desperate. Anyway, after having to hunt down the new spot for the toy department (the local Target just underwent a major remodel), there was no sign of any of these guys, but there was a lone Blitzwing on the shelf. I got Blitzwing's case-mate, Octane/Octone, back on Father's Day but this is the first time I've seen Blitzwing for sale at retail.

So, here's the thing. Having bought this toy once already as Megatron, I was familiar enough with it that I didn't need to consult the instructions and pretty much knew what to expect. Or so I thought. Maybe the plastic tolerances are just way different on this version of the toy or something, but I had, and have, so much trouble getting him correctly transformed. The toy is very unforgiving when it comes to getting every single part precisely lined up in order to plug all the locking tabs together, and if you're off by even a millimemter, nothing works correctly.

The robot mode really is great. Hasbro addressed Blitzwing fairly recently in 2013... an ambitious design that perhaps strayed a bit too far from the G1 look and had the infamous problem with the shoulder design. This new toy is essentially an upscaled G1 toy with more tricks thrown into the mix, and the robot chest plate is specifically designed to lock each shoulder assembly in place. So, that's a huge win. His color scheme is very true to the character, mostly tan and purple with some light grey. The original Diaclone toy was army green; when Hasbro released the toy for the Transformers line, they gave him a more Decepticon-like color scheme. His face is purple, like the G1 toy, rather than the light grey of the cartoon, further evidence that Hasbro considers their own early toys to be the be-all and end-all of a character's definitive look, not the Sunbow animation color schemes. And, of course, the pop-up struts on either side of his head make him look a little more like Blitzwing.

Blitzwing has the same large gun that came with Megatron, but the large Megatron cannon got swapped out for two different accessories. Blitzwing gets a smaller tank turret cannon, which you can connect to the barrel of the large gun or just leave on the turret for a more cartoon-based look. He also gets a purple sword, looking very much like the electron scimitar from the G1 days. Let's all just take a moment to appreciate the fact that Blitzwing can actually raise his arms to wield his weaponry, which was not possible in 1985. His fists are painted purple, but the edges around the peg-holes in his fists are not. It's a little sloppy-looking and not what I've come to expect from Hasbro. I'm guessing somebody got a little conservative with the paint masking, probably doing this to prevent the paint from scraping off when you stick his weapons into his hands. Megatron's fists were painted, and they look a lot better than this. Heck, the Action Masters with painted fists looked better than this.

Also, my copy of Blitzwing has a lot of trouble with his right wing. The damn thing just pops off if you look at it funny. I'm seriously going to have to stick a metal pin or something in there, because it's driving me nuts. My copy of Megatron doesn't seem to have this issue.

I will say, though, that even despite owning both toys, as I sit here with them both on my computer desk in robot mode, they sure don't look like the same toy. The robot design is sufficiently customizable that a lot of the Blitzwing-specific parts can be tucked away for Megatron (the fins-for-feet, the wings on his back, the tank barrel behind his head, the pop-up struts) and that, combined with the parts that were remolded for Blitzwing (the robot chest, the robot face, the different weapons) results in a really different-looking pair of robots. They even got away with using the exact same molding for the robot abdomen and pelvis and robot legs, and it doesn't really bother me at all.

For tank mode, something is preventing me from transforming Blitzwing's legs all the way. The knees won't quite fold up completely, which means you can't lock the tank treads into the correct slots because the legs aren't quite in the prescribed spot. It's all rather frustrating. I'm able to do it with Megatron, so I know I understand all the tricks involved, but for some reason Blitzwing just won't cooperate. Interestingly, I see now that Megatron actually has a secondary tank barrel permanently glued to him. Blitzwing doesn't have this piece, and without this glued-on piece it's just a sad, impotent little stump. Blitzwing's attachable tank barrel is more elegant than Megatron's, though. It's very tasteful.

The proper configuration for Blitzwing's tank mode is so that the jet mode's rocket thrusters are pointing forward. This actually mirrors the design of the G1 toy, as seen in Blitzwing's instructions and his G1 box photos. It does not, however, reflect the design of the Sunbow animation model, which had the tank mode turned the wrong way 'round, immortalizing the more familiar folded-up jet cockpit as being the front of the tank mode. You can reproduce that look with the Titans Return toy, the only real problem being that the folded-up jet wings that are rather casually draped over the back of the tank mode are now much more strongly evident. The shiny stickers that take up almost all the real estate of the jet wings are glaringly obvious.

Also, where Megatron's tank "cockpit" was translucent orangey-red, Blitzwing's is clear. It just looks odd.

Jet mode! Damn wing still keeps popping off. So annoying. With that said, this is a great-looking vehicle. Very Blitzwingy. I haven't checked yet, but they must have color-matched it to the G1 toy because it's incredibly authentic. The shiny wing stickers look like crap in tank mode, but for jet mode they really hearken back to the stickers on the G1 toy. Like all my other Titans Return toys with foil stickers, though, they're all already peeling off at the corners. Maybe I'll have to super glue them down, since I'm doing all this other work to the toy anyway. The large gun can mount on the top of the jet, straddling the rectangular peg-holes on his legs, or can plug into either side of the jet where his fist-holes are (along with the electron scimitar, because every fighter jet need a jagged-edged sword stuck to its fuselage).

His partner is Decepticon Hazard, whose mold we've already seen with Megatron. It's sculpted to look like a mini-Blitzwing, rendered in tan plastic with a dark grey body and upper legs. I like the Blitzwing face sculpt a lot, too, even if I don't completely agree with their paint color choices (GRAE NOT
PORPUL).

Still no real use for those peg-holes on his body, on either side of his head. I really do think they were put there with an eye towards a G2 Megatron redeco, so you could mount the cannon on Megatron's shoulder. I will be very surprised if we don't see that toy in some form eventually.

I like Blitzwing, moreso than Megatron, but his design flaws bother me. I think my opinion of him will improve once I've done a little design work of my own. It bothers me that this is even necessary, but at least I already have the tools and skills to make the changes that I know need to be changed.


Zob (has discovered some amazing things about the McDonald's Happy Meal toys from the 2003 Finding Nemo promotion that I'll probably never get to share with anyone)

Irrellius Spamticon of the Potato People.

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Jul 29, 2017, 11:50:28 PM7/29/17
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Your G1 can't raise his arms? Mine does, it's simple up and down, but I get 90 degrees.

I was pretty happy with the 2013 Blitzwing, there will have to be a really good sale for me to buy him again.

Zobovor

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Jul 31, 2017, 12:18:43 AM7/31/17
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On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 1:42:54 PM UTC-6, Zobovor wrote:

> I like Blitzwing, moreso than Megatron, but his design flaws bother me. I
> think my opinion of him will improve once I've done a little design work of
> my own.

So, the modifications I made were not as extensive as I'd been anticipating. I think the holes for the knobs that the wings are meant to fit into just weren't big enough. I carved them out a bit and the wings seem to be more cooperative about staying attached.

I also super-glued the corners to some of the foil stickers down, because even though I've had Blitzwing for like two days, he already looked like he was bouncing around in my G1 toy box for 30 years.

I'm assuming the stickers are a cost-cutting measure because they're cheaper than paint applications. It's such a terrible, terrible step backwards, though.


Zob (I'm waiting for them to bring back die-cast parts now, whose paint chips off when you sneeze)

Irrellius Spamticon of the Potato People.

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Jul 31, 2017, 1:02:45 AM7/31/17
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On Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 11:18:43 PM UTC-5, Zobovor wrote:
> On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 1:42:54 PM UTC-6, Zobovor wrote:
>
> > I like Blitzwing, moreso than Megatron, but his design flaws bother me. I
> > think my opinion of him will improve once I've done a little design work of
> > my own.
>
> So, the modifications I made were not as extensive as I'd been anticipating. I think the holes for the knobs that the wings are meant to fit into just weren't big enough. I carved them out a bit and the wings seem to be more cooperative about staying attached.
>

Maybe all Blitzwing toys need to be modified, it's just part of the character.

> I also super-glued the corners to some of the foil stickers down, because even though I've had Blitzwing for like two days, he already looked like he was bouncing around in my G1 toy box for 30 years.
>

I couldn't get TR Ravage, Eject, or Ft Max out of their boxes without the stickers looking terrible and the corners peeling up. This is why I hate hate hate stickers these days. In G1 at least it took some years for this to happen.

> I'm assuming the stickers are a cost-cutting measure because they're cheaper than paint applications. It's such a terrible, terrible step backwards, though.
>

I think they were getting so many complaints about generations homages and "authentic experience" they were convinced to go back to stickers.

>
> Zob (I'm waiting for them to bring back die-cast parts now, whose paint chips off when you sneeze)

Wait for GoldPlasticSyndrome to return too.

Gustavo Wombat

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Aug 9, 2017, 10:24:49 PM8/9/17
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Zobovor <zm...@aol.com> wrote:

> So, here's the thing. Having bought this toy once already as Megatron, I
> was familiar enough with it that I didn't need to consult the
> instructions and pretty much knew what to expect. Or so I thought.
> Maybe the plastic tolerances are just way different on this version of
> the toy or something, but I had, and have, so much trouble getting him
> correctly transformed. The toy is very unforgiving when it comes to
> getting every single part precisely lined up in order to plug all the
> locking tabs together, and if you're off by even a millimemter, nothing works correctly.

That's basically my copy too. Not quite right, but mostly good.

> The robot mode really is great. Hasbro addressed Blitzwing fairly
> recently in 2013... an ambitious design that perhaps strayed a bit too
> far from the G1 look and had the infamous problem with the shoulder
> design. This new toy is essentially an upscaled G1 toy with more tricks
> thrown into the mix, and the robot chest plate is specifically designed
> to lock each shoulder assembly in place. So, that's a huge win. His
> color scheme is very true to the character, mostly tan and purple with some light grey.

The light gray looks wrong. Too bright, and too cool next to all that tan.
A duller, warmer gray would have been a lot better.

> His fists are painted purple, but the edges around the peg-holes in his
> fists are not. It's a little sloppy-looking and not what I've come to
> expect from Hasbro. I'm guessing somebody got a little conservative with
> the paint masking, probably doing this to prevent the paint from scraping
> off when you stick his weapons into his hands. Megatron's fists were
> painted, and they look a lot better than this. Heck, the Action Masters
> with painted fists looked better than this.

I think it is probably the same paint mask, but tolerances again change
things.

> Also, my copy of Blitzwing has a lot of trouble with his right wing. The
> damn thing just pops off if you look at it funny. I'm seriously going to
> have to stick a metal pin or something in there, because it's driving me
> nuts. My copy of Megatron doesn't seem to have this issue.

I may not have looked at mine funny, but the wing stays on. The wings don't
lie down as flat in tank mode as Megatron's do, though.

> I will say, though, that even despite owning both toys, as I sit here
> with them both on my computer desk in robot mode, they sure don't look
> like the same toy. The robot design is sufficiently customizable that a
> lot of the Blitzwing-specific parts can be tucked away for Megatron (the
> fins-for-feet, the wings on his back, the tank barrel behind his head,
> the pop-up struts) and that, combined with the parts that were remolded
> for Blitzwing (the robot chest, the robot face, the different weapons)
> results in a really different-looking pair of robots. They even got away
> with using the exact same molding for the robot abdomen and pelvis and
> robot legs, and it doesn't really bother me at all.

It's surprising how little they changed, to get an entirely different look.


> For tank mode, something is preventing me from transforming Blitzwing's
> legs all the way. The knees won't quite fold up completely, which means
> you can't lock the tank treads into the correct slots because the legs
> aren't quite in the prescribed spot. It's all rather frustrating. I'm
> able to do it with Megatron, so I know I understand all the tricks
> involved, but for some reason Blitzwing just won't cooperate.

Mine attaches, but it's a bit of a struggle.

> The proper configuration for Blitzwing's tank mode is so that the jet
> mode's rocket thrusters are pointing forward. This actually mirrors the
> design of the G1 toy, as seen in Blitzwing's instructions and his G1 box
> photos. It does not, however, reflect the design of the Sunbow animation
> model, which had the tank mode turned the wrong way 'round, immortalizing
> the more familiar folded-up jet cockpit as being the front of the tank
> mode. You can reproduce that look with the Titans Return toy, the only
> real problem being that the folded-up jet wings that are rather casually
> draped over the back of the tank mode are now much more strongly evident.
> The shiny stickers that take up almost all the real estate of the jet
> wings are glaringly obvious.

I hate the stickers, but everyone does.

> Also, where Megatron's tank "cockpit" was translucent orangey-red,
> Blitzwing's is clear. It just looks odd.

Why isn't all the clear plastic tinted yellow? Would have looked better in
both vehicle modes.

> Jet mode! Damn wing still keeps popping off. So annoying. With that
> said, this is a great-looking vehicle. Very Blitzwingy.

For the longest time, I thought Blitzwing somehow meant that the wings
themselves were amazingly thick and strong, like the Blitz... This toy
doesn't have that.

>I haven't checked yet, but they must have color-matched it to the G1 toy
> because it's incredibly authentic. The shiny wing stickers look like
> crap in tank mode, but for jet mode they really hearken back to the
> stickers on the G1 toy. Like all my other Titans Return toys with foil
> stickers, though, they're all already peeling off at the corners. Maybe
> I'll have to super glue them down, since I'm doing all this other work to the toy anyway.

None of my crappy stickers want to fall off. Sad.

I think the dry Utah air is doing something to them for you. There are
probably better stickers available somewhere, why not just replace them?

>The large gun can mount on the top of the jet, straddling the rectangular
> peg-holes on his legs, or can plug into either side of the jet where his
> fist-holes are (along with the electron scimitar, because every fighter
> jet need a jagged-edged sword stuck to its fuselage).

It can also peg onto the large gun, so your fighter jet can have a bayonet
on its gun that is in a weird spot.

> His partner is Decepticon Hazard, whose mold we've already seen with
> Megatron. It's sculpted to look like a mini-Blitzwing, rendered in tan
> plastic with a dark grey body and upper legs. I like the Blitzwing face
> sculpt a lot, too, even if I don't completely agree with their paint
> color choices (GRAE NOT
> PORPUL).

The purple looks great. I don't mind inaccuracies when they look great.

> Still no real use for those peg-holes on his body, on either side of his
> head. I really do think they were put there with an eye towards a G2
> Megatron redeco, so you could mount the cannon on Megatron's shoulder. I
> will be very surprised if we don't see that toy in some form eventually.

More toys should have those peg holes...

> I like Blitzwing, moreso than Megatron, but his design flaws bother me.
> I think my opinion of him will improve once I've done a little design
> work of my own. It bothers me that this is even necessary, but at least
> I already have the tools and skills to make the changes that I know need to be changed.

Blitzwing is the best Blitzwing we have gotten. Megatron is actually
slightly better, at least with the tolerances, but we've gotten lots of
good Megatrons lately.

> Zob (has discovered some amazing things about the McDonald's Happy Meal
> toys from the 2003 Finding Nemo promotion that I'll probably never get to
> share with anyone)

You will take the secret to your grave.



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Zobovor

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Aug 10, 2017, 7:37:06 PM8/10/17
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On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 8:24:49 PM UTC-6, Gustavo Wombat, of the Seattle Wombats wrote:

> For the longest time, I thought Blitzwing somehow meant that the wings
> themselves were amazingly thick and strong, like the Blitz... This toy
> doesn't have that.

When I was a kid, I used to think his name was Blitz Swing. Also, I vaguely knew that "blitz" was a football term, so his role in "Triple Takeover" really made a lot of sense to me.

> I think the dry Utah air is doing something to them for you. There are
> probably better stickers available somewhere, why not just replace them?

This is entirely possible. When Hasbro makes these things, I doubt they take the climate of different regions into account.

With that said, though, I should be able to buy a complete and reasonably enjoyable product out of the box. I shouldn't have to pour more money into upgrades just to end up with a satisfactory toy. It's one thing if I want to spend extra money on a superior product like Takara Blurr (which I still have not done, but maybe one day).


Zob (the tiny R2-D2 that comes with the new Princess Leia doll... it's so small...)

Irrellius Spamticon of the Potato People.

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Aug 10, 2017, 9:18:20 PM8/10/17
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On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 6:37:06 PM UTC-5, Zobovor wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 8:24:49 PM UTC-6, Gustavo Wombat, of the Seattle Wombats wrote:
>
> > For the longest time, I thought Blitzwing somehow meant that the wings
> > themselves were amazingly thick and strong, like the Blitz... This toy
> > doesn't have that.
>
> When I was a kid, I used to think his name was Blitz Swing. Also, I vaguely knew that "blitz" was a football term, so his role in "Triple Takeover" really made a lot of sense to me.
>

Blitz is German for Lightning, and in turn of the century warfare, "The Blitz" was a military maneuver consisting of a series of swift surprise attacks, consisting of many campaigns but best known for the aerial bombardment of Britain in WWII.

Yes, I knew all of that in 1985, and my biggest question was why didn't they just name him Blitzkrieg?


> > I think the dry Utah air is doing something to them for you. There are
> > probably better stickers available somewhere, why not just replace them?
>
> This is entirely possible. When Hasbro makes these things, I doubt they take the climate of different regions into account.
>
> With that said, though, I should be able to buy a complete and reasonably enjoyable product out of the box. I shouldn't have to pour more money into upgrades just to end up with a satisfactory toy. It's one thing if I want to spend extra money on a superior product like Takara Blurr (which I still have not done, but maybe one day).
>

It's humid as hell here and I can see the stickers peeling off in the boxes.

>
> Zob (the tiny R2-D2 that comes with the new Princess Leia doll... it's so small...)

I was looking at that yesterday, oddly enough the Targets here have the Forces of Destiny characters in the middle of the Transformers, instead of 4 feet to the left with the other Star Wars stuff.

Gustavo Wombat

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Aug 11, 2017, 8:36:01 PM8/11/17
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Irrellius Spamticon of the Potato People. <Ob1k...@att.net> wrote:
> On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 6:37:06 PM UTC-5, Zobovor wrote:
>> On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 8:24:49 PM UTC-6, Gustavo Wombat, of the
>> Seattle Wombats wrote:
>>
>>> For the longest time, I thought Blitzwing somehow meant that the wings
>>> themselves were amazingly thick and strong, like the Blitz... This toy
>>> doesn't have that.
>>
>> When I was a kid, I used to think his name was Blitz Swing. Also, I
>> vaguely knew that "blitz" was a football term, so his role in "Triple
>> Takeover" really made a lot of sense to me.
>>
>
> Blitz is German for Lightning, and in turn of the century warfare, "The
> Blitz" was a military maneuver consisting of a series of swift surprise
> attacks, consisting of many campaigns but best known for the aerial
> bombardment of Britain in WWII.
>
> Yes, I knew all of that in 1985, and my biggest question was why didn't
> they just name him Blitzkrieg?

Fine, fine, the little headmaster's full name is Coach Craig "Choke"
Hazard.

And now, the combined form can be called Blitzcraig.

>>> I think the dry Utah air is doing something to them for you. There are
>>> probably better stickers available somewhere, why not just replace them?
>>
>> This is entirely possible. When Hasbro makes these things, I doubt they
>> take the climate of different regions into account.
>>
>> With that said, though, I should be able to buy a complete and
>> reasonably enjoyable product out of the box. I shouldn't have to pour
>> more money into upgrades just to end up with a satisfactory toy. It's
>> one thing if I want to spend extra money on a superior product like
>> Takara Blurr (which I still have not done, but maybe one day).
>>
>
> It's humid as hell here and I can see the stickers peeling off in the boxes.

They are terrible stickers, and they wrinkle at the edges and they aren't
put on smoothly so they have some air bubbles and stuff... but I haven't
seen them peeling off. It would be better if they did, but they seem to be
terrible, ugly and stubborn stickers than only want to peel a little.

>>
>> Zob (the tiny R2-D2 that comes with the new Princess Leia doll... it's so small...)
>
> I was looking at that yesterday, oddly enough the Targets here have the
> Forces of Destiny characters in the middle of the Transformers, instead
> of 4 feet to the left with the other Star Wars stuff.
>



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