On Sunday, June 25, 2017 at 10:41:54 PM UTC-7, Irrellius Spamticon of the Potato People. wrote:
> On Sunday, June 25, 2017 at 8:45:20 PM UTC-5, Gustavo Wombat, of the Seattle Wombats wrote:
> > I thought it was less worse than Age Of Extinction or Dark Of The Moon. And, it was better than Batman v. Superman.
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> I thought DOTM was a little better, but definitely better than Batman V Superman and he last Superman-goes-fishing movie.
The best description of Batman v. Superman was "no matter how much you've watched, there is still about two hours left".
I hate "Man Of Steel". I think it is a terrible Superman movie. But... it has a mostly coherent plot, and is internally consistent. It just requires you to ignore everything that has ever happened in any Superman story up to this point.
I think "Man Of Steel" was a better movie than "The Last Knight". I don't think it was a better Superman movie than "The Last Knight" was a Transformers movie though. Sometimes incoherent plot elements help -- it means you can ignore the movie when you want to. "Man Of Steel" was executed competently enough that some people think that was Superman.
> > So, that's three movies I can think of off the top of my head that were worse than it, which is not something I can usually do walking out of a Transformers movie.
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> > Don't get me wrong, its a pretty bad movie, but it's a step up from the previous few.
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> > Things that I thought worked:
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> > Things that I liked:
> > - "It sounds kind of racist when you say it" -- perhaps a moment of self-reflection in the Transformers franchise?
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> I liked that too, but then he went on to say other semi-racist things, so this didn't make him reflect on his words.
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> > - Cogman playing the background music
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> This part was the best of Cogman, not his randomly jumping people and trying to be HK47.
It would have made a great running joke, rather than a two-off. Every scene, have someone ask him to stop humming and then the background music vanishes.
> > - Anthony Hopkins saying "dude" and "bitch"
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> I couldn't even understand about 85% of the words that came out of his mouth and the ones I could understand didn't make any sense as their order spoken.
Sir Anthony Hopkins. One of the greatest actors alive. Now working in one of the worst movies around.
They could have had just about anyone deliver incoherent lines, but they had Sir Anthony Hopkins. He was in one of my favorite movies, "Titus", and now this.
> > - Baby Dinobots
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> It was the cute factor, but made no sense. Were they born or built? Is Grimlock a mommy? We also have Squeeks for the cute factor. And the girl.
Hey, you're getting ahead of yourself. I said that I liked them, not that they worked in any way.
> > - WWII era transformers even though they made no sense
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> I thought they needed to have done a little more with them, at least introduce them properly.
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> > Things that I found creepy:
> > - 14 year old girl in a push up bra
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> She looked 12
The friend I saw it with said "Baby faced 23 year old? I don't want to think about this."
> > - 14 year old girl in a push up bra hanging out with a 46 year old man
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> It's definitely a step down from hanging out with 46 million year old broken robots.
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> > - 14 year old girl in a push up bra handing out with a 46 year old man as his daughter is telling him to get a girlfriend
> > - There's probably no age of consent in international waters.
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> Everything about Mark Wahlberg's character interacting with any other human cast is disturbing and borderline emotional abuse.
I'm not particularly prudish, but Michael Bay seems to be sexualizing progressively younger women, to the point where they are now girls. It's crossed the fine line from tantalizing to icky. That line was 18 (16 in some states).
> > Things that I thought didn't work:
> > - Optimus turning evil
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> And then turning back after Bumblebee speaks with no voicebox.
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> > - Megatron just kind of being there
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> He led his army of 5 guys who got their own Suicide Squad style introductions.
He had no plan. He was just a lackey.
> > - Megatron having the face paint that lets us know he was being controlled.
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> I thought he dd that himself as a reverse Braveheart or something.
Optimus had mind controlling face paint, I assume all face paint in this movie is mind controlling.
> > - Baby Dinobots
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> You already listed this. They didn't add anything to the movie, they were an expensive to render brief sight gag.
I liked them (hence first entry), but they didn't work (hence this entry). No idea where they came from, but I assume it's yet another origin for Transformers.
> > - Quintesson Queen
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> Where TF was she during DOTM?
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> > - Unicron
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> I think they took this idea from TF Prime.But not all of it.
> I think they got to the end of the movie and realized they forgot about those horns and had to add one more scene.
I assume it is setting up another movie, and will be completely ignored.