The birthday of the nation is indissolubly
linked with the birthday of the Savior.
--President John Quincy Adams.
"Year of our Lord Krishna?"
Liar.
Year of our Lord Vader?
Year of our Lord of the Rings?
Year of Screaming Lord Sutch?
Years of our Lord of the Flies?
JohnN
The signature line is not "text" and that meaningless little phrase
was common to any communication. Means as much as mouthing the Lord's
prayer without thinking about it. Bet you can't even say what is in
it without repeating it first.
Harry K
I'll thank you to leave the House of Representatives out of this.
>
>JohnN
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Your ignorance does not cause much in the way of griping and
festering, except for your own.
You know that is a lie.
Signed in the year of our lord 1776
What, by using "In the year of our Lord" to define the date? Oh,
please.
<Dies laughing>
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About as much as today's being recognized
worldwide as a reverent nod to the God
of Thunder festers in yours.
Or yesterday's as an international tribute
to his sire, the All-Father, Who hung
on the tree for eleven days and emerged
the better for it.
conan
Which lord, George III?
JohnN
I'm writing this post at 22.22 p.m. on 14/07/2011 AD. Does it mean I
believe in your fictional Christ?
--
Organised religion is violent, irrational, intolerant,
allied to racism, tribalism, and bigotry, invested in
ignorance and hostile to free inquiry, contemptuous of
women and coercive toward children - Christopher Hitchens
The Bible is bollocks - me.
The Quran is cobblers - also me.
So you are so ignorant that you think that a dating convention is an
invocation of God? Wow!
I've switched from the old BC/AD (Before Christ/Anno Domini (Year of
Lord)) to the modern BCE/CE (Before Common Era/Common Era) designations.
For convenience, the dates remain the same.
Julius Caesar, in whose honor this month is named, would be pleased.
September 17, 1787, the date that appears in the Constitution, falls on
the day sacred to the Moon Goddess.
The one on the bible that they all mentioned at one time or another. THAT
one
>JohnN wrote:
You do understand that this is a convention based on a defective
calculation, do you not?
oh? Caculate this
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is
wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams
Moral people don't need to be religious.
mike said,
That is not talking about Jesus but Thor
BroilJAB laughed
THAT is your best effort?
"The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for
absurdity. Nowhere in the Gospels do we find a precept
for Creeds, Confessions, Oaths, Doctrines, and whole
carloads of other foolish trumpery that we find in
Christianity."
-- John Adams
"Question with boldness even the existence of God;
because, if there be one, he must more approve of the
homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish,
Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human
inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and
monopolize power and profit.
-- Thomas Paine, (1737-1809)
"It is from the Bible that man has learned cruelty,
rapine and murder; for the belief of a cruel God
makes a cruel man.
-- Thomas Paine
"The Bible: a history of wickedness that has served
to corrupt and brutalise mankind.
-- Thomas Paine
"The Christian system of religion is an outrage on
common sense."
-- Thomas Paine
"Christianity is the most perverted system that
ever shone on man."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"This would be the best of all possible worlds,
if there were no religion in it."
-- John Adams
"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming
feature."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early
in life, I absenteed myself from Christian assemblies."
-- Benjamin Franklin
"The purpose of separation of church and state is
to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless
strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood
for centuries."
-- James Madison
"As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and
is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions
of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both
Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the
most bloody religion that ever existed? -
- John Adams, letter to F.A. Van der Kamp, Dec 27, 1
The same John Adams who signed a treaty that explicitly stated "this
country is not founded on Christianity"
Harry K
BroilJAB mused,
I see another lawsuit on file to try to
remove Christ from the governing paradigm.
I suppose it should antagonize a deviant
to be shown that America is founded on
Jesus.
The birthday of the nation is indissolubly
linked with the birthday of the Savior.
--President John Quincy Adams.
If y'all look at the original documents, you'll see that that "o" is
actually an "a". IOW: ...year of our /lard/...
This, of course, explains why so many Americans are so "big boned".
Dipso fatso, I think! ;)
I'm sure he thought that it was all the effort that was deserved
His sentence structure makes it clear that Adams recognized that moral
people and religious people fall into separate categories. The
Constitution was made for moral people. It was also made for religious
people.
<>
WHAT?!?
Ah geez...
<facepalm...>
conan
Budikka
mike said,
That is not talking about Jesus but some
other Lord
BroilJAB said,
So afraid of reality are the atheists, they
actually think Lord Cornwallis is to whom
the Constitution refers.
Hey, I represent that!
JohnN
Baal?
JohnN
You guys can't even do a cascade right. No WONDER you believe in evolution
>Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 03:43:12 -0700 (PDT), Loirbaj
>> <Rhod...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It should not gripe and fester in the gut of the
>>> atheist that the Founders codified Jesus into
>>> the very text of the Constitution, at last line.
>>
>> You know that is a lie.
>
>Signed in the year of our lord 1776
Idiot.
lol! Yeah, the signature line, but no where in the text, body, the
BOR, or any other amendments. It appears as a common form of verbiage
used at that time to describe a date. No where does it state the the
country was ever founded on your christ on a popsickle stick.
Additionally, it says "The year of our lord", it could easily be the
year of our lord Odin.
1789 you fucking idiot.
Nonsense, you have no evidence to connect one to the other, nor is it
a legally binding claus to the body of the Constitution regardless.
"To place in the hands of any one person or one governing body both
the power of Governmnet, and the power of God is evil in conception
and practice, and has been the bane of mankind throughout much of
hisstory."
John Adams
As soon as you can prove with empirical, objective evidence that your
magical sky-daddy exists, I will consider your request.
you guys can't even give empirical evidence that your magical sky-
daddy exists, no wonder you're such idiots.
The first signature didn't appear on the Constitution until February
of 1789. People didn't travel in the measure of hours in those days,
the Constitution was signed over a period of about 4 years, and full
ratification of the 13 colonies took about five years, if memory
serves.
Nawww..no reason to feel anything about a skyfairy anyway...especially
since the Constitution has numerous references to day of the week, and
month...all Pagan. Paganism kicks Jesus's ass again!!!
Like most things on alt.atheism, it was doing fine 'til you showed up. ;)
Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the
Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven
hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of
America the Twelfth. In Witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our
Names.
Oh rats! Against my will I finally learned something from usenet.
Hate that at my age.
Harry K
The signatories had already traveled to the Constitutional convention.
------
Article VII - Ratification
The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient
for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so
ratifying the Same.
Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the
Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven
hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of
America the Twelfth. In Witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our
Names. Note
Go Washington - President and deputy from Virginia
New Hampshire - John Langdon, Nicholas Gilman
Massachusetts - Nathaniel Gorham, Rufus King
Connecticut - Wm Saml Johnson, Roger Sherman
New York - Alexander Hamilton
New Jersey - Wil Livingston, David Brearley, Wm Paterson, Jona. Dayton
Pensylvania - B Franklin, Thomas Mifflin, Robt Morris, Geo. Clymer, Thos
FitzSimons, Jared Ingersoll, James Wilson, Gouv Morris
Delaware - Geo. Read, Gunning Bedford jun, John Dickinson, Richard
Bassett, Jaco. Broom
Maryland - James McHenry, Dan of St Tho Jenifer, Danl Carroll
Virginia - John Blair, James Madison Jr.
North Carolina - Wm Blount, Richd Dobbs Spaight, Hu Williamson
South Carolina - J. Rutledge, Charles Cotesworth Pinckney, Charles
Pinckney, Pierce Butler
Georgia - William Few, Abr Baldwin
Attest: William Jackson, Secretary
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html
It should be noted that John Dickinson is officially listed as a
"signer," but he did not actually sign the Constitution. Dickinson fell
ill during the convention and was unable to attend on the day of
signing. He authorized George Read to sign for him by proxy.
http://www.usconstitution.net/constnotes.html#Sigs
---------
Sep 17, 1787:
U.S. Constitution signed
The Constitution of the United States of America is signed by 38 of 41
delegates present at the conclusion of the Constitutional Convention in
Philadelphia. Supporters of the document waged a hard-won battle to win
ratification by the necessary nine out of 13 U.S. states.
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/us-constitution-signed
Unless you have better cites, I'm sticking with 1787.
> Subject: Thank JESUS for AMERICA
I don't see his name in the Constitution. Did he sign in invisible ink?
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"Rupert Murdoch" is Australian for F*cked.
BroilJAB said,
The LORD is there at last line.
Leave your name and address posted
here and I'll drop you a copy, junior?
> I asked,
> I don't see his name in the Constitution. Did he sign in invisible ink?
>
> You evaded,
> The LORD is there at last line.
In other words, "no."
Smartpoo tried,
I dont SEE it, my hands cover my
eyes...La La...I'm pretending I'm that
blonde on the old MAD TV show from
the 1920s.
BroilJAB said,
OMG