no-shave november?

[hymie!]

This is a non-tech rant. If that bothers you, I'm sorry.

I got an email at $ORK about "No-Shave November".

Apparently, in "support" of cancer-stricken people who suffer from severe
hair-loss due to radiation therapy, I am supposed to stop shaving and grow
my hair long.

So...

1. I'm being lazy by **not** doing something I normally do, which somehow
shows "solidarity" with people who are often too tired and nauseous to even
get out of bed or eat.

2. I'm going to grow my hair long, and grow my moustache and beard, to
remind them that they can't.

Clearly, I'm missing the point.

--hymie! http://lactose.homelinux.net/~hymie hy...@lactose.homelinux.net
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[Shmuel Metz]

In <544f8c3c$0$6546$ed36...@headers2.newsreader.com>, on 10/28/2014

at 12:29 PM, hy...@lactose.homelinux.net (hymie!) said:

>This is a non-tech rant.

So? HR and manglement are part of unrecovery at the ork place.

>I got an email at $ORK about "No-Shave November".

"Continue beating employees until morale improves."

>Apparently, in "support" of cancer-stricken people who suffer from
>severe hair-loss due to radiation therapy, I am supposed to stop
>shaving and grow my hair long.

ObSchiller Die Jungfrau von Orleans (The Maid of Orleans) (1801), Act
II

Folly, thou conquerest, and I must yield!
Against stupidity the very gods
Themselves contend in vain.

--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <http://patriot.net/~shmuel> ISO position
Reply to domain Patriot dot net user shmuel+bspfh to contact me.
We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress.
(S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003)

[Julian Macassey]

On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 12:32:59 +0000 (UTC), Roger Bell_West
<roger+a...@nospam.firedrake.org> wrote:

> On 2014-10-28, hymie! wrote:
>>I got an email at $ORK about "No-Shave November".
>

> Presumably this is the white-label version of "Movember".

>
>>2. I'm going to grow my hair long, and grow my moustache and beard, to
>>remind them that they can't.
>

> As far as I can tell, the usual approach is that you get people to
> sponsor you not to shave/trim, and then give the money to a suitable
> charity.

I don't get this, "If I run, you will give money to a
charity" thing. Or the latest version that involves pouring cold
water over yourself or some such.

You want to support a charity? Sit down and write a cheque.
Think your friends should chip in? Ask them to, don't guilt them
into paying for you to waste your time.

There are even technology related charities. Or if you have
time, help out people who could use your expertise.

Do something productive.


--
"Nobody has gone to jail since the financial crisis. The banks, they do
things that are illegal and at best they slap on them a fine.?"
- Nouriel Roubini 7 July 2012

[The Horny Goat]

On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 08:46:13 -0500, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
<spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote:

>>I got an email at $ORK about "No-Shave November".
>
>"Continue beating employees until morale improves."
>

Might be a bad idea - the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation recently
fired a top TV/radio host for engaging in BDSM activities and being
insufficiently discreet. Some of his partners were said to be CBC
employees.

From a legal rights point of view it may be a bit iffy but no doubt
the corporation is banking on the public's dim view of such
activities, Fifty Shades of Grey notwithstanding....

[David Scheidt]

The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca> wrote:
:On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 08:46:13 -0500, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz

:<spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote:

:>>I got an email at $ORK about "No-Shave November".
:>
:>"Continue beating employees until morale improves."
:>
:Might be a bad idea - the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation recently
:fired a top TV/radio host for engaging in BDSM activities and being
:insufficiently discreet. Some of his partners were said to be CBC

Or insufficently consensual, depending on which side you believe.

--
sig 121

[Firesong]

On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 16:12:50 +0000 (UTC), Julian Macassey
<jul...@tele.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 12:32:59 +0000 (UTC), Roger Bell_West
><roger+a...@nospam.firedrake.org> wrote:
>> On 2014-10-28, hymie! wrote:
>>>I got an email at $ORK about "No-Shave November".
>>
>> Presumably this is the white-label version of "Movember".
>>
>>>2. I'm going to grow my hair long, and grow my moustache and beard, to
>>>remind them that they can't.
>>
>> As far as I can tell, the usual approach is that you get people to
>> sponsor you not to shave/trim, and then give the money to a suitable
>> charity.
>
> I don't get this, "If I run, you will give money to a
>charity" thing. Or the latest version that involves pouring cold
>water over yourself or some such.
>
> You want to support a charity? Sit down and write a cheque.
>Think your friends should chip in? Ask them to, don't guilt them
>into paying for you to waste your time.
>
> There are even technology related charities. Or if you have
>time, help out people who could use your expertise.
>
> Do something productive.
>
>

I heartily endorse the above service or product.

Iain

[The Horny Goat]

On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 23:15:45 +0000 (UTC), David Scheidt
<dsch...@panix.com> wrote:

>:>"Continue beating employees until morale improves."
>:>
>:Might be a bad idea - the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation recently
>:fired a top TV/radio host for engaging in BDSM activities and being
>:insufficiently discreet. Some of his partners were said to be CBC
>
>Or insufficently consensual, depending on which side you believe.

Whatever the heck that means. "I consent to being hit with a pillow
but not with a boxing glove?"

Have the feeling that there's much more scandal to come from that
particular case yet. Sounds like he's ready for a bit of recovery.

I've seen some late night staff hockey games where your original line
might well be completely appropriate ... even saw a minister on Sunday
morning after one of these games looking somewhat the worse for wear
after taking a few bodychecks from his son-in-law who was about 8"
taller and 40 lbs heavier than him.

[ppint. at pplay]

- hi; Julian Macassey<jul...@tele.com> excathedrated:
> Roger Bell_West <roger+a...@nospam.firedrake.org> wrote:
[]

>>As far as I can tell, the usual approach is that you get people to
>>sponsor you not to shave/trim, and then give the money to a suitable
>>charity.
>
>I don't get this, "If I run, you will give money to a charity" thing.

>[..] You want to support a charity? Sit down and write a cheque.

- i don't have an income, and not very much money; between
them, the fifteen-to-thirty people i still account friends
have many hundreds - probably thousands - of times what i
possess - and quite literally an infinite number of times
my income. if enough of my friends consider the cause for
which i am trying to raise money a good one, and the effort
i am prepared to put in sufficiently significant, i will be
able to raise many times more for the cause, which may not
be a charity, than i could possibly afford from what money
i possess.

>Think your friends should chip in?

- no, not "should"; might like to.

>Ask them to,

- that is what inviting them to sponsor one's effort is.

>don't guilt them into paying for you to waste your time.

- who's guiltin' whom?

- and who determines whether my time is wasted?

>Or if you have time, help out people who could use your expertise.

- i can also do that, when appropriate; but it does nothing to
help people in far greater need, who live further away from me.

>Do something productive.

- i do so, thank-you: both sponsored and non-sponsored somethings
productive; do you go and do likewise.

- love, ppint.
[drop the "v", and change the "f" to a "g", to email or cc.]
--
"only two groups of people in society actually behave
in a completely logical, self-interested way: one of
these is economists themselves; the other is psychopaths."
- "the trap" - bbc2 18/3/07 [3/18/07 for merkins] 21:55 GMT

[David Scheidt]

The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca> wrote:

:On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 23:15:45 +0000 (UTC), David Scheidt

:<dsch...@panix.com> wrote:

:>:>"Continue beating employees until morale improves."
:>:>
:>:Might be a bad idea - the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation recently
:>:fired a top TV/radio host for engaging in BDSM activities and being
:>:insufficiently discreet. Some of his partners were said to be CBC
:>
:>Or insufficently consensual, depending on which side you believe.

:Whatever the heck that means. "I consent to being hit with a pillow
:but not with a boxing glove?"

Depending on who you choose to believe it means something from "he
raped me" to "consented to sex, but not sex with violence" to
"consented to sex, under duress".

:Have the feeling that there's much more scandal to come from that

:particular case yet. Sounds like he's ready for a bit of recovery.

I'd bet that's the way the wind is blowing.

--
sig 40

[The Horny Goat]

On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 13:48:30 +0000 (UTC), Roger Bell_West
<roger+a...@nospam.firedrake.org> wrote:

>If I wanted to go and do something more worthwhile than I am now, but
>it wouldn't be a paying job, I can see that I might ask people to
>sponsor me. (Say, to go on a year's Arctic survey to document the
>positions of ice sheet edges. In fact I suspect quite a lot of people
>might be willing to pay me to go to the Arctic for a year.)

Ah but would they be willing to pay the return portion of the trip?

I once got in huge political trouble for suggesting that a Canadian
aboriginal agitator who was staging a sit-in on Victoria island which
is a small park in the middle of Ottawa be offered an all expenses
paid trip to the OTHER Victoria island which for those who don't know
is a rather large island in the Canadian High Arctic about 1000 miles
north of Tuktoyaktuk (which is the farthest north town on the mainland
and located fairly close to the southern edge of the Arctic Ocean).

For those not in the know the northern Victoria island is mostly
inhabited by bears.....

>But then you get people saying "please sponsor me to go skydiving for
>AIDS awareness". Unless you are the sort of person for whom skydiving
>is terrifying, that's a fun thing to do, and you're just getting
>people to pay for you to have fun.
>
>Not shaving seems to me to be closer to the latter category.

For me not shaving is something that happens either on weekends or
during illness as happened to me last Friday where I spent 10 hours in
emergency and didn't return to work until Tuesday. They tested the
**** out of me but couldn't isolate anything specific - X-ray, 2 blood
tests, CT scan, ultrasound - but other than the fact I had
demonstrated a talent for dizziness and vomiting couldn't say much
beyond "it's a virus of some sort"....didn't shave for 4 days after
that!

[Wojciech Derechowski]

On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 19:36:54 +0000, The Horny Goat wrote:
> They tested the **** out of me but couldn't isolate anything specific

[...]

> - but other than the fact I had demonstrated a talent for dizziness
> and vomiting couldn't say much beyond "it's a virus of some sort"
> ....didn't shave for 4 days after that!

That's nothing. I didn't shave for almost 35 years, although rather than
virus, that was a worm in our Vaxen under the 4 BSD.

--
WD

Who is Entscheidungs and what is his problem?

[The Horny Goat]

On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 23:04:52 +0000 (UTC), David Scheidt
<dsch...@panix.com> wrote:

>Depending on who you choose to believe it means something from "he
>raped me" to "consented to sex, but not sex with violence" to
>"consented to sex, under duress".

The law is quite clear that duress aimed either at the victim or
another ("...I'll get you and your little dog too!" is duress on two
counts) is still non-consensual.

If this is UI then you too could soon be recovering along with a
certain announcer!

>:Have the feeling that there's much more scandal to come from that
>:particular case yet. Sounds like he's ready for a bit of recovery.
>
>I'd bet that's the way the wind is blowing.

I remember being out of town on a customer installation many years ago
when our project leader got a phone call from head office that he
refused to talk about. Found out later the call had been from the
company's head of security and that it turned out the chief e-mail
administrator had gotten royally plastered and was sending out
sexually harassing e-mails under various (male) employees' names.

A lot of us were upset the company had no addiction policy as many of
us had known old Stu had a problem with the bottle but was great when
sober and a bit of counselling likely could have saved the career of a
better than average admin.

30 years later I still think so.

[ppint. at pplay]

- hi; "Roger Bell_West" quizzically observed:

> ppint. at pplay" wrote:
>> - hi; Julian Macassey<jul...@tele.com> excathedrated:

>>>Ask them to,
>> - that is what inviting them to sponsor one's effort is.
>

>It's the effort thing that's weird to me. Specifically, the way it's
>more or less unrelated to the cause in question.

>
>If I wanted to go and do something more worthwhile than I am now, but
>it wouldn't be a paying job, I can see that I might ask people to
>sponsor me. (Say, to go on a year's Arctic survey to document the
>positions of ice sheet edges. In fact I suspect quite a lot of people
>might be willing to pay me to go to the Arctic for a year.)

- *g* - whether or not you wanted to?

>But then you get people saying "please sponsor me to go skydiving for
>AIDS awareness". Unless you are the sort of person for whom skydiving
>is terrifying, that's a fun thing to do, and you're just getting people
>to pay for you to have fun.

- (or you do not know, but are perhaps greatly afraid) indeed.

>Not shaving seems to me to be closer to the latter category.

- unless your facial hair were to grow like japanese knot-weed,
it would not appear to me to constitute any significant effort.

- but where the cause seems worthwhile, and the effort seems to
friends (and cow-orkers?) significant, the sponsorship route can
be an effective multiplier.

- love, ppint.
[drop the "v", and change the "f" to a "g", to email or cc.]
--

"in a well-governed country, poverty is something to be ashamed of;
in a poorly-governed country, wealth is something to be ashamed of."
- attrib. confucius [ref. needed for quote]

[mrob...@att.net]

The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca> wrote:

> On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 08:46:13 -0500, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote:
>
>>"Continue beating employees until morale improves."
>
> Might be a bad idea - the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation recently
> fired a top TV/radio host for engaging in BDSM activities and

...failing to announce the safe letters and beat frequency at the top
of the hour?

Matt Roberds

[Maarten Wiltink]

"The Horny Goat" <lcr...@home.ca> wrote in message
news:2u355a5q3khp09kn3...@4ax.com...

> [...] last Friday where I spent 10 hours in emergency and didn't return

> to work until Tuesday. They tested the **** out of me but couldn't
> isolate anything specific - X-ray, 2 blood tests, CT scan, ultrasound -
> but other than the fact I had demonstrated a talent for dizziness and
> vomiting couldn't say much beyond "it's a virus of some sort"....didn't
> shave for 4 days after that!

There is this virus going 'round... Have you been to West Africa recently?

Tebrgwrf,
Maarten Wiltink

[Julian Macassey]

On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 19:35:29 +0100, Maarten Wiltink
<maa...@kittensandcats.net> wrote:
>
> There is this virus going 'round... Have you been to West Africa recently?

Or bitten by a mosquito in Southern California?


--
Before you diagnose yourself with depression or low self-esteem,
first make sure that you are not, in fact, just surrounded by
arseholes - William Gibson

[The Horny Goat]

On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 19:35:29 +0100, "Maarten Wiltink"
<maa...@kittensandcats.net> wrote:

Hardy hardy har - well I'm in Vancouver.bc.ca so that's about as far
as you can get in Europe or North America from west Africa.

I mean I wish them well and and appreciate the work of MSF and other
such groups (and government agencies such as the Center for Disease
Control) are doing but I am very very glad I am not there.

[Tim McDaniel]

In article <20141109095803....@firedrake.org>,
Roger Bell_West <roger+a...@nospam.firedrake.org> wrote:

>On 2014-11-09, The Horny Goat wrote:
>>Hardy hardy har - well I'm in Vancouver.bc.ca so that's about as far
>>as you can get in Europe or North America from west Africa.
>

>Looks as though California's a little further away:
>http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?R=5700nm%40BKO

Also interestingly, Newfoundland is closer than anything else in North
America.

>(Lovely site, the sort of thing gmap _ought_ to offer as standard)

Thank you for the pointer.

--
Tim McDaniel, tm...@panix.com

[The Horny Goat]

On Sun, 9 Nov 2014 09:58:55 +0000 (UTC), Roger Bell_West
<roger+a...@nospam.firedrake.org> wrote:

>On 2014-11-09, The Horny Goat wrote:

>>Hardy hardy har - well I'm in Vancouver.bc.ca so that's about as far
>>as you can get in Europe or North America from west Africa.
>

>Looks as though California's a little further away:
>http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?R=5700nm%40BKO
>

>(Lovely site, the sort of thing gmap _ought_ to offer as standard)

Who would have thunk me throwing up on the hospital steps would
generate such a discussion! (evil grin)

Definitely not the most edifying day of my life recently....