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Don
Nov 19, 2015, 11:10:05 PM11/19/15
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As we approach Thanksgiving Day, it seems appropriate that Native
Americans should be recognized for helping the Europeans survive.
Many instances of Indians helping Pilgrims survive those first
winters. Even a report of early explorers in the North East finding a
food cache left by Indians for winter survival, which they captured as
evidence of Providence taking care of them in the face of evil "black"
Indians. Evidently, they associated everything off-white as evil and
of the Devil.
Famous occasion that seems to celebrate Thanksgiving when the
Europeans were offered deer and turkeys by Indians, who realized they
needed help. Indians are credited with showing how to plant corn with
fish as fertilizer, how to hunt local game, etc..
Later on, it was characters like Pocahontas and Sacagawea who
deliberately joined the Europeans to bring about cultural relations
and help communicate with other tribes.
Many other examples of Native people exhibiting their good side and
offer sharing, trading, etc.. Here in Alaska, it's well known that
early explorers who were shipwrecked found that Eskimos gave them food
when they were starving, showed them how to use all parts of fish and
game.
Things like that help us remember that Native Americans were the first
survivors here and continue to insist that Nature and the Great Spirit
know us as part of the earth and human beings. Latest example of the
Indian encouraging us to identify as part of Nature and not pollute
the planet might be the Indian in the commercial who pauses his horse
while seeing pollution and has a tear in his eye.
So I like the idea of associating Thanksgiving with Native Americans,
who don't seem to have another day of remembrance. It's about being
thankful we can live in such a great land and strive to be human
beings, in harmony with nature, IMO. bookburn
Americans should be recognized for helping the Europeans survive.
Many instances of Indians helping Pilgrims survive those first
winters. Even a report of early explorers in the North East finding a
food cache left by Indians for winter survival, which they captured as
evidence of Providence taking care of them in the face of evil "black"
Indians. Evidently, they associated everything off-white as evil and
of the Devil.
Famous occasion that seems to celebrate Thanksgiving when the
Europeans were offered deer and turkeys by Indians, who realized they
needed help. Indians are credited with showing how to plant corn with
fish as fertilizer, how to hunt local game, etc..
Later on, it was characters like Pocahontas and Sacagawea who
deliberately joined the Europeans to bring about cultural relations
and help communicate with other tribes.
Many other examples of Native people exhibiting their good side and
offer sharing, trading, etc.. Here in Alaska, it's well known that
early explorers who were shipwrecked found that Eskimos gave them food
when they were starving, showed them how to use all parts of fish and
game.
Things like that help us remember that Native Americans were the first
survivors here and continue to insist that Nature and the Great Spirit
know us as part of the earth and human beings. Latest example of the
Indian encouraging us to identify as part of Nature and not pollute
the planet might be the Indian in the commercial who pauses his horse
while seeing pollution and has a tear in his eye.
So I like the idea of associating Thanksgiving with Native Americans,
who don't seem to have another day of remembrance. It's about being
thankful we can live in such a great land and strive to be human
beings, in harmony with nature, IMO. bookburn
rbowman
Nov 20, 2015, 1:06:14 AM11/20/15
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On 11/19/2015 09:10 PM, Don wrote:
> Famous occasion that seems to celebrate Thanksgiving when the
> Europeans were offered deer and turkeys by Indians, who realized they
> needed help. Indians are credited with showing how to plant corn with
> fish as fertilizer, how to hunt local game, etc..
http://sagadb.org/eiriks_saga_rauda.en
> Famous occasion that seems to celebrate Thanksgiving when the
> Europeans were offered deer and turkeys by Indians, who realized they
> needed help. Indians are credited with showing how to plant corn with
> fish as fertilizer, how to hunt local game, etc..
Chapter 12 has the account of Freydis Eiriksdottir's encounter with the
Skraelingar. It didn't go well.
Don
Nov 20, 2015, 12:46:40 PM11/20/15
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On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 23:07:51 -0700, rbowman <bow...@montana.com>
wrote:
I read that Vikings were ruthless in conquering villages all over
Europe. At some point, they didn't just loot and tax, but stayed in
parts of Britain to set up their own villages and do trading. Ireland,
Scotland, and England have lots of artifacts about this. In England
there was even development of government and economy, it seems.
North America had a lot to learn from Natives about subsistence living
off natural resources. Can't see that in Europe, I suppose. What I
would like to see is interest by Natives in designing a habitat for
local cultures.
Like, the Native idea of housing might be unlike cookie-cutter
buildings designed by federal government, but incorporate ideas of
their ways of life. More organic concepts of living off the grid.
Already they all use the school gymnasiums as meeting houses and
communal celebrations. But dominant culture has resulted in
stagnation of Native culture, as in education, jobs, family life,
local laws, etc.. So they suicide, do drugs, prostitution, drift away
to city slums.
And it occurs to me that what would be good for Native Americans would
be good for everyone? Get off the grid, do home schooling using the
Internet, go back to the land.
wrote:
Europe. At some point, they didn't just loot and tax, but stayed in
parts of Britain to set up their own villages and do trading. Ireland,
Scotland, and England have lots of artifacts about this. In England
there was even development of government and economy, it seems.
North America had a lot to learn from Natives about subsistence living
off natural resources. Can't see that in Europe, I suppose. What I
would like to see is interest by Natives in designing a habitat for
local cultures.
Like, the Native idea of housing might be unlike cookie-cutter
buildings designed by federal government, but incorporate ideas of
their ways of life. More organic concepts of living off the grid.
Already they all use the school gymnasiums as meeting houses and
communal celebrations. But dominant culture has resulted in
stagnation of Native culture, as in education, jobs, family life,
local laws, etc.. So they suicide, do drugs, prostitution, drift away
to city slums.
And it occurs to me that what would be good for Native Americans would
be good for everyone? Get off the grid, do home schooling using the
Internet, go back to the land.
rbowman
Nov 20, 2015, 10:07:57 PM11/20/15
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On 11/20/2015 10:46 AM, Don wrote:
> I read that Vikings were ruthless in conquering villages all over
> Europe. At some point, they didn't just loot and tax, but stayed in
> parts of Britain to set up their own villages and do trading.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danelaw
> I read that Vikings were ruthless in conquering villages all over
> Europe. At some point, they didn't just loot and tax, but stayed in
> parts of Britain to set up their own villages and do trading.
The Danes controlled varying amounts of Britain. Dublin was the slave
trade center for three hundred years or so.
http://www.aroundtheworldineightyyears.com/viking-dublin/
I've started reading a book 'The Almost Perfect People'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Almost_Nearly_Perfect_People
It's interesting considering the Nordic model almost works. He starts
with Denmark and characterizes the Danes as having a 'glass half full'
outlook. Every time they've signed a treaty they've lost more area so
they make the best of what they have left and try not to piss the
Germans off.
http://www.thelocal.dk/20150304/not-even-the-danes-can-understand-danish
While I've wished for subtitles in films that are supposedly English
like 'Sexy Beast', Denmark has to be the only place in the world to have
Danish subtitles in Danish movies.
Don
Nov 21, 2015, 7:03:32 AM11/21/15
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On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 20:09:33 -0700, rbowman <bow...@montana.com>
wrote:
When I was looking for old Viking places to visit in Scotland (have a
very Scotts name and am half Swedish, plus interest in exploring Scots
ethos, why Scots have fierce reputation, etc.), I noticed communities
in Western Scotland that still show Viking settlement and traditions.
Contrary to what your article says, the Western parts of Britain were
also settled by Viking culture, not just Eastern Britain, York, etc...
(quote)
However, the Scots seemed to have something in common with the Viking
and after a while intermarriages, both common and noble, with
established clans took place in north Scotland (Caithness and
Sutherland) and extensively throughout the Western Isles of Scotland,
called the Inner and Outer Hebrides. To this day you can find Scottish
Clans with direct Viking (Norse) descent.
(unquote)
I read that if you search for it, you can find enclaves of
Viking-mixed peoples in Scots places of the western parts. Found a
couple places close to river mouths opening to the sea that I could
visit.
wrote:
very Scotts name and am half Swedish, plus interest in exploring Scots
ethos, why Scots have fierce reputation, etc.), I noticed communities
in Western Scotland that still show Viking settlement and traditions.
Contrary to what your article says, the Western parts of Britain were
also settled by Viking culture, not just Eastern Britain, York, etc...
(quote)
However, the Scots seemed to have something in common with the Viking
and after a while intermarriages, both common and noble, with
established clans took place in north Scotland (Caithness and
Sutherland) and extensively throughout the Western Isles of Scotland,
called the Inner and Outer Hebrides. To this day you can find Scottish
Clans with direct Viking (Norse) descent.
(unquote)
I read that if you search for it, you can find enclaves of
Viking-mixed peoples in Scots places of the western parts. Found a
couple places close to river mouths opening to the sea that I could
visit.
news13
Nov 21, 2015, 9:32:01 AM11/21/15
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On Sat, 21 Nov 2015 03:03:28 -0900, Don wrote:
> (quote)
> However, the Scots seemed to have something in common with the Viking
> and after a while intermarriages, both common and noble, with
> established clans took place in north Scotland (Caithness and
> Sutherland) and extensively throughout the Western Isles of Scotland,
> called the Inner and Outer Hebrides. To this day you can find Scottish
> Clans with direct Viking (Norse) descent.
> (unquote)
I wouldn't equate modern clans with old clans from around the time of the
> (quote)
> However, the Scots seemed to have something in common with the Viking
> and after a while intermarriages, both common and noble, with
> established clans took place in north Scotland (Caithness and
> Sutherland) and extensively throughout the Western Isles of Scotland,
> called the Inner and Outer Hebrides. To this day you can find Scottish
> Clans with direct Viking (Norse) descent.
> (unquote)
vikings. Modern clans are an English invention imposed on the Scots.
> I read that if you search for it, you can find enclaves of Viking-mixed
> peoples in Scots places of the western parts. Found a couple places
> close to river mouths opening to the sea that I could visit.
Lot of inbreeding this many centuries on if they are.
Don
Nov 21, 2015, 1:52:09 PM11/21/15
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between Scots and various peoples escaping this and that. Anglo
Saxon, etc.? Read about the strange theme in medieval literature that
wonders where they are (ubi sunt), seeming to ask about departed
voyagers who left homeland on long boats and not heard from again.
But there seems to be an uncanny knowledge among people about their
past existence. That sort of thing transcends time. Don't know about
any DNA links to knowledge of ancestry.
rbowman
Nov 21, 2015, 3:26:59 PM11/21/15
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On 11/21/2015 05:03 AM, Don wrote:
> However, the Scots seemed to have something in common with the Viking
> and after a while intermarriages, both common and noble, with
> established clans took place in north Scotland (Caithness and
> Sutherland) and extensively throughout the Western Isles of Scotland,
> called the Inner and Outer Hebrides. To this day you can find Scottish
> Clans with direct Viking (Norse) descent.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-17740638
> However, the Scots seemed to have something in common with the Viking
> and after a while intermarriages, both common and noble, with
> established clans took place in north Scotland (Caithness and
> Sutherland) and extensively throughout the Western Isles of Scotland,
> called the Inner and Outer Hebrides. To this day you can find Scottish
> Clans with direct Viking (Norse) descent.
http://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/scotland-s-dna-descended-from-lost-tribes-and-related-to-napoleon-1-2238030
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/aug/15/scotland-dna-study-project
Never can tell... DNA analysis is relatively new for large numbers of
people and there are a lot of Just So stories to cover the results.
My Y-DNA is I1, which occurs with a 40% frequency in Scandinavia and
spreads out from there. R1a and R1b are the two other big players in
Europe.
otoh my mtDNA is M1. It doesn't say in the articles but I assume that's
the Berber and Taureg 1% mentioned in the articles. In the DNA forums.
it's the real WTF? result. It's even a mystery to the population
geneticists and requires fast talking. Even other M variant is in Asia
so the Out of Africa types have to postulate the M branch was formed in
Asia with one group getting homesick and going back to North Africa. How
it gets to odd places in Europe is another question, probably having to
do with the conquest of Spain. Kahina was the last Berber queen and she
died in battle against the Muslims around 700 according to the legends.
After that the Berbers converted.
It will be interesting as more results come in.
Don
Nov 21, 2015, 6:05:06 PM11/21/15
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On Sat, 21 Nov 2015 13:28:36 -0700, rbowman <bow...@montana.com>
wrote:
I hear a warning buzzer when I hear them say DNA proves someone
"descended" from some group identified as existing 6000 years ago.
Evidently they are using just one "marker" to make the link, when
there must be a mathematically impossible number descending from all
the mix of DNA pairings. Don't say when the DNA tied in. No
information about what happens when individuals with widely different
DNAs reproduce. What are the rules that govern when DNA get to
evolve/mutate? I want more Darwin's Rules in on this.
wrote:
"descended" from some group identified as existing 6000 years ago.
Evidently they are using just one "marker" to make the link, when
there must be a mathematically impossible number descending from all
the mix of DNA pairings. Don't say when the DNA tied in. No
information about what happens when individuals with widely different
DNAs reproduce. What are the rules that govern when DNA get to
evolve/mutate? I want more Darwin's Rules in on this.
news13
Nov 21, 2015, 9:30:37 PM11/21/15
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On Sat, 21 Nov 2015 09:52:05 -0900, Don wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Nov 2015 14:29:40 -0000 (UTC), news13
> <newsthirte...@woa.com.au> wrote:
>
> Must be that way back to 6th century and earlier there was contact
> between Scots and various peoples escaping this and that.
Given there was no shipping records or just about any records it is hard
> On Sat, 21 Nov 2015 14:29:40 -0000 (UTC), news13
> <newsthirte...@woa.com.au> wrote:
>
> Must be that way back to 6th century and earlier there was contact
> between Scots and various peoples escaping this and that.
to know who, when and numbers and given "Black Irish" you have to keep
that open.
> Read about the strange theme in medieval literature that wonders
> where they are (ubi sunt), seeming to ask about departed voyagers who
> left homeland on long boats and not heard from again.
>
> But there seems to be an uncanny knowledge among people about their past
> existence. That sort of thing transcends time.
Only if it is kept alive by many people. On Isle of Skye, many people
> But there seems to be an uncanny knowledge among people about their past
> existence. That sort of thing transcends time.
followed naming patterns, not strict, and they had a lot of family
knowledge as a result.
Given that Church Records didn't start until far later and were just the
property of the actual priest, and who trusted a fat priest.
> Don't know about any
> DNA links to knowledge of ancestry.
just says that a female outbred at some stage. Very expensive and the
comparison is only valid between the same detailed test. So "names" are
specifying which test with which company and then ijits don't want to
share the results to find distant relations.
In all mine lines, it isn't going to help with any and we don't really
care if one lot has viking blood, because sis narried a Dane anyway, so
that made her girls happy about viking blood. Both of them would have no
trouble in the shield wall.
news13
Nov 21, 2015, 9:38:51 PM11/21/15
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On Sat, 21 Nov 2015 13:28:36 -0700, rbowman wrote:
> It will be interesting as more results come in.
Could also be a almost total waste of time in Western counties and
> It will be interesting as more results come in.
Chinese. Too many only have vague knowledge of their family history and
antecedents and if there is no records(very common), it can be anyone
guess.
You just have to read a few geneaological list on rootsweb and most US
citizens have little indication of where their ancestors come from. Many
often find out that the family stories are wrong. Sigh, everyone want
"royal bloods"a nd no one wants to admit they were just landless
peasantry kick around.
news13
Nov 21, 2015, 9:41:06 PM11/21/15
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On Sat, 21 Nov 2015 14:12:41 -0700, Winston_Smith wrote:
> It might be interesting to compare any timeline you can put on DNA with
> long term changes in world climate. Something like go back south again
> as glaciers advance and food gets scarce then back to a different part
> of north as they recede.
>
> I have to think someone has already done that, but ...
AIUI, it isn't that accurate. Often dating is statiological(strats), so
if that is missing, SFA idea.
> It might be interesting to compare any timeline you can put on DNA with
> long term changes in world climate. Something like go back south again
> as glaciers advance and food gets scarce then back to a different part
> of north as they recede.
>
> I have to think someone has already done that, but ...
AIUI, it isn't that accurate. Often dating is statiological(strats), so
if that is missing, SFA idea.
rbowman
Nov 21, 2015, 10:08:52 PM11/21/15
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On 11/21/2015 02:12 PM, Winston_Smith wrote:
> It might be interesting to compare any timeline you can put on DNA
> with long term changes in world climate. Something like go back south
> again as glaciers advance and food gets scarce then back to a
> different part of north as they recede.
>
> I have to think someone has already done that, but ...
https://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/06/10/europe-mtdna-study-shows-an-iberian-resettlement-after-the-ice-age/
> It might be interesting to compare any timeline you can put on DNA
> with long term changes in world climate. Something like go back south
> again as glaciers advance and food gets scarce then back to a
> different part of north as they recede.
>
> I have to think someone has already done that, but ...
http://www.nature.com/hdy/journal/v106/n1/full/hdy201047a.html
The Last Glacial Maximum supposedly created a refugium in the
Franco-Cantabrian region from which Europe was repopulated. I Y-DNA is
supposed to be the only native European mutation that gets placed about
at the time of the LGM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_I-M170#Origins
So there have been attempts to link gene flow with world climate but
there is a lot of conjecture. So far, the sample sizes have been small.
For example, you'll rarely see M1 even mentioned as a European mtDNA.
It's rare, but it's also distributed throughout Europe. The Berber
conquest of Spain is the usual explanation but M1 was been found in 6th
century Basque graves, prior to the Moors coming.
It's a relatively new discipline and I think as DNA testing becomes more
commonplace some cherished myths will suffer. Nations come and gom
religions come and go, but DNA endures.
rbowman
Nov 21, 2015, 10:52:09 PM11/21/15
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On 11/21/2015 04:05 PM, Don wrote:
> I hear a warning buzzer when I hear them say DNA proves someone
> "descended" from some group identified as existing 6000 years ago.
> Evidently they are using just one "marker" to make the link, when
> there must be a mathematically impossible number descending from all
> the mix of DNA pairings. Don't say when the DNA tied in. No
> information about what happens when individuals with widely different
> DNAs reproduce. What are the rules that govern when DNA get to
> evolve/mutate? I want more Darwin's Rules in on this.
mtDNA is non-Mendelian. The mt is 'mitochondrial' not 'maternal'. The
> I hear a warning buzzer when I hear them say DNA proves someone
> "descended" from some group identified as existing 6000 years ago.
> Evidently they are using just one "marker" to make the link, when
> there must be a mathematically impossible number descending from all
> the mix of DNA pairings. Don't say when the DNA tied in. No
> information about what happens when individuals with widely different
> DNAs reproduce. What are the rules that govern when DNA get to
> evolve/mutate? I want more Darwin's Rules in on this.
confusion arises since mtDNA is solely inherited from the mother in
humans. Paternal mitochondria get killed off after fertilization. The
mitochondria are also relatively simple with only 37 genes. That makes
them very handy for tracing population flows through mtDNA mutations.
The Jews had it right; it's the mother that determines if you're a
biological Jew or not. Ironically, for the Ashkenazim there appears to
have been a bottleneck, with a very limited number of founding mothers
who seem to have been converts. In other words, for most Ashkenazim by
their own rules -- not.
The Y-DNA, which is only present in males and is the paternal descent
does show more middle eastern influence but that doesn't count. Think
about that for a moment if you are a male. You have one X and one Y
chromosome. Your mother had two X chromosomes. Very little of your Y
chromosome differs from your father's since your mother didn't have one
to combine with it.
Then there are the other 22 chromosomes where all the wife swapping goes
on. Those are called the autosomal chromosomes. If you round up your
close family there will be similarities. Further back it gets really
cloudy. 23andMe, FamilyDNA, and the other companies do test them and
give you some rough idea of your ancestry based on comparisons to native
populations.
For example, 23and Me has three different graphics, Conservative,
Standard, and Speculative. For Conservative, I'm 97.8% European and 2.2%
Unassigned. For Standard, I'm 99.8% European and 0.2 % Unassigned, up to
99.9% for Speculative. The only real difference is they do more guessing
about what is Broadly Northwestern European and Broadly European all of
which can be taken with a grain of salt.
I'm pretty boring and probably won't be eligible for any affirmative
action programs but some people are more colorful.
PaxPerPoten
Nov 21, 2015, 11:12:41 PM11/21/15
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On 11/20/2015 11:46 AM, Don wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 23:07:51 -0700, rbowman <bow...@montana.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 11/19/2015 09:10 PM, Don wrote:
>>> Famous occasion that seems to celebrate Thanksgiving when the
>>> Europeans were offered deer and turkeys by Indians, who realized they
>>> needed help. Indians are credited with showing how to plant corn with
>>> fish as fertilizer, how to hunt local game, etc..
>>
>> http://sagadb.org/eiriks_saga_rauda.en
>>
>> Chapter 12 has the account of Freydis Eiriksdottir's encounter with the
>> Skraelingar. It didn't go well.
>
> I read that Vikings were ruthless in conquering villages all over
> Europe. At some point, they didn't just loot and tax, but stayed in
> parts of Britain to set up their own villages and do trading. Ireland,
> Scotland, and England have lots of artifacts about this. In England
> there was even development of government and economy, it seems.
Also Canada, Minnesota and other states in America.
> On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 23:07:51 -0700, rbowman <bow...@montana.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 11/19/2015 09:10 PM, Don wrote:
>>> Famous occasion that seems to celebrate Thanksgiving when the
>>> Europeans were offered deer and turkeys by Indians, who realized they
>>> needed help. Indians are credited with showing how to plant corn with
>>> fish as fertilizer, how to hunt local game, etc..
>>
>> http://sagadb.org/eiriks_saga_rauda.en
>>
>> Chapter 12 has the account of Freydis Eiriksdottir's encounter with the
>> Skraelingar. It didn't go well.
>
> I read that Vikings were ruthless in conquering villages all over
> Europe. At some point, they didn't just loot and tax, but stayed in
> parts of Britain to set up their own villages and do trading. Ireland,
> Scotland, and England have lots of artifacts about this. In England
> there was even development of government and economy, it seems.
>
> North America had a lot to learn from Natives about subsistence living
> off natural resources. Can't see that in Europe, I suppose. What I
> would like to see is interest by Natives in designing a habitat for
> local cultures.
>
> Like, the Native idea of housing might be unlike cookie-cutter
> buildings designed by federal government, but incorporate ideas of
> their ways of life. More organic concepts of living off the grid.
> Already they all use the school gymnasiums as meeting houses and
> communal celebrations. But dominant culture has resulted in
> stagnation of Native culture, as in education, jobs, family life,
> local laws, etc.. So they suicide, do drugs, prostitution, drift away
> to city slums.
>
> And it occurs to me that what would be good for Native Americans would
> be good for everyone? Get off the grid, do home schooling using the
> Internet, go back to the land.
>
--
> North America had a lot to learn from Natives about subsistence living
> off natural resources. Can't see that in Europe, I suppose. What I
> would like to see is interest by Natives in designing a habitat for
> local cultures.
>
> Like, the Native idea of housing might be unlike cookie-cutter
> buildings designed by federal government, but incorporate ideas of
> their ways of life. More organic concepts of living off the grid.
> Already they all use the school gymnasiums as meeting houses and
> communal celebrations. But dominant culture has resulted in
> stagnation of Native culture, as in education, jobs, family life,
> local laws, etc.. So they suicide, do drugs, prostitution, drift away
> to city slums.
>
> And it occurs to me that what would be good for Native Americans would
> be good for everyone? Get off the grid, do home schooling using the
> Internet, go back to the land.
>
It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard
the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all
ages who mean to govern well, but *They mean to govern*. They promise to
be good masters, *but they mean to be masters*. Daniel Webster
PaxPerPoten
Nov 21, 2015, 11:16:28 PM11/21/15
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controlled/owned Denmark and Norway. Also when the Germanic tribes came
into Europe from the Iranian Peninsula. And before..of course.
PaxPerPoten
Nov 21, 2015, 11:20:47 PM11/21/15
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their Irish wives and girlfriends back home with them...Soooo..There is
a lot of Irish blood lines in the Nordic/Scandinavian homelands. That
would be Celtic! And Scots/Irish..
PaxPerPoten
Nov 21, 2015, 11:27:43 PM11/21/15
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the Aristocracy of the Serf period were warring with other Aristocrats.
Not a lot of them survived..Thus Royalty among us unwashed masses is
rather rare.
Don
Nov 21, 2015, 11:45:14 PM11/21/15
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On Sun, 22 Nov 2015 02:28:15 -0000 (UTC), news13
I'll bet the Vikings in their time had 59 varieties and were a mix of
hybrid vigor that produced some strange types, like the Berserkers.
Supposed to be some Viking warriors were so into fighting that they
would gnaw on their shields, out of their minds like that. But I
doubt that comes from some strange gene or other.
That's why I like the idea of Darwin's Rules sorting out what mix
bubbles to the top. Do like the idea that the way we behave downloads
to our DNA somehow.
hybrid vigor that produced some strange types, like the Berserkers.
Supposed to be some Viking warriors were so into fighting that they
would gnaw on their shields, out of their minds like that. But I
doubt that comes from some strange gene or other.
That's why I like the idea of Darwin's Rules sorting out what mix
bubbles to the top. Do like the idea that the way we behave downloads
to our DNA somehow.
Don
Nov 21, 2015, 11:51:20 PM11/21/15
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On Sat, 21 Nov 2015 20:10:30 -0700, rbowman <bow...@montana.com>
wrote:
Tut, tut. Time will come when you can get your DNA tuned up by a
maintenance visit to your computer apps. Get the necessary gene fix
for baldness in males, all the medical conditions, hopped up for a
"live fast and die young" existence, and wait there's more. Sign up
and get your DNA chart now.
wrote:
maintenance visit to your computer apps. Get the necessary gene fix
for baldness in males, all the medical conditions, hopped up for a
"live fast and die young" existence, and wait there's more. Sign up
and get your DNA chart now.
Don
Nov 22, 2015, 12:14:06 AM11/22/15
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On Sat, 21 Nov 2015 20:53:46 -0700, rbowman <bow...@montana.com>
wrote:
>On 11/21/2015 04:05 PM, Don wrote:
>> I hear a warning buzzer when I hear them say DNA proves someone
>> "descended" from some group identified as existing 6000 years ago.
>> Evidently they are using just one "marker" to make the link, when
>> there must be a mathematically impossible number descending from all
>> the mix of DNA pairings. Don't say when the DNA tied in. No
>> information about what happens when individuals with widely different
>> DNAs reproduce. What are the rules that govern when DNA get to
>> evolve/mutate? I want more Darwin's Rules in on this.
>
>mtDNA is non-Mendelian. The mt is 'mitochondrial' not 'maternal'. The
>confusion arises since mtDNA is solely inherited from the mother in
>humans. Paternal mitochondria get killed off after fertilization. The
>mitochondria are also relatively simple with only 37 genes. That makes
>them very handy for tracing population flows through mtDNA mutations.
>
>The Jews had it right; it's the mother that determines if you're a
>biological Jew or not. Ironically, for the Ashkenazim there appears to
>have been a bottleneck, with a very limited number of founding mothers
>who seem to have been converts. In other words, for most Ashkenazim by
>their own rules -- not.
Don't see how "converts" to Judeism factor into the biological
picture, unless belief and mutates mitochonria in some way. It's been
observed that what people believe about Christianity for 2,000 years
in important ways makes it true. Probably some interesting natural
phenomena demonstrating how ontology doesn't just recapitulate
phylogeny, or something.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recapitulation_theory
This is jumping into the deep end of the pool, I guess, as I see
references in the above to difference between Darwin and Lamarke,
etc..
>The Y-DNA, which is only present in males and is the paternal descent
>does show more middle eastern influence but that doesn't count. Think
>about that for a moment if you are a male. You have one X and one Y
>chromosome. Your mother had two X chromosomes. Very little of your Y
>chromosome differs from your father's since your mother didn't have one
>to combine with it.
>
>Then there are the other 22 chromosomes where all the wife swapping goes
>on. Those are called the autosomal chromosomes. If you round up your
>close family there will be similarities. Further back it gets really
>cloudy. 23andMe, FamilyDNA, and the other companies do test them and
>give you some rough idea of your ancestry based on comparisons to native
>populations.
>
>For example, 23and Me has three different graphics, Conservative,
>Standard, and Speculative. For Conservative, I'm 97.8% European and 2.2%
>Unassigned. For Standard, I'm 99.8% European and 0.2 % Unassigned, up to
>99.9% for Speculative. The only real difference is they do more guessing
>about what is Broadly Northwestern European and Broadly European all of
>which can be taken with a grain of salt.
>
>I'm pretty boring and probably won't be eligible for any affirmative
>action programs but some people are more colorful.
We all want to know the extent of our Neanderthal ancestry, don't we?
Probably need some affirmative action on behalf of visitors from outer
space who may want U.S. citizenship for being born here.
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>On 11/21/2015 04:05 PM, Don wrote:
>> I hear a warning buzzer when I hear them say DNA proves someone
>> "descended" from some group identified as existing 6000 years ago.
>> Evidently they are using just one "marker" to make the link, when
>> there must be a mathematically impossible number descending from all
>> the mix of DNA pairings. Don't say when the DNA tied in. No
>> information about what happens when individuals with widely different
>> DNAs reproduce. What are the rules that govern when DNA get to
>> evolve/mutate? I want more Darwin's Rules in on this.
>
>mtDNA is non-Mendelian. The mt is 'mitochondrial' not 'maternal'. The
>confusion arises since mtDNA is solely inherited from the mother in
>humans. Paternal mitochondria get killed off after fertilization. The
>mitochondria are also relatively simple with only 37 genes. That makes
>them very handy for tracing population flows through mtDNA mutations.
>
>The Jews had it right; it's the mother that determines if you're a
>biological Jew or not. Ironically, for the Ashkenazim there appears to
>have been a bottleneck, with a very limited number of founding mothers
>who seem to have been converts. In other words, for most Ashkenazim by
>their own rules -- not.
picture, unless belief and mutates mitochonria in some way. It's been
observed that what people believe about Christianity for 2,000 years
in important ways makes it true. Probably some interesting natural
phenomena demonstrating how ontology doesn't just recapitulate
phylogeny, or something.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recapitulation_theory
This is jumping into the deep end of the pool, I guess, as I see
references in the above to difference between Darwin and Lamarke,
etc..
>The Y-DNA, which is only present in males and is the paternal descent
>does show more middle eastern influence but that doesn't count. Think
>about that for a moment if you are a male. You have one X and one Y
>chromosome. Your mother had two X chromosomes. Very little of your Y
>chromosome differs from your father's since your mother didn't have one
>to combine with it.
>
>Then there are the other 22 chromosomes where all the wife swapping goes
>on. Those are called the autosomal chromosomes. If you round up your
>close family there will be similarities. Further back it gets really
>cloudy. 23andMe, FamilyDNA, and the other companies do test them and
>give you some rough idea of your ancestry based on comparisons to native
>populations.
>
>For example, 23and Me has three different graphics, Conservative,
>Standard, and Speculative. For Conservative, I'm 97.8% European and 2.2%
>Unassigned. For Standard, I'm 99.8% European and 0.2 % Unassigned, up to
>99.9% for Speculative. The only real difference is they do more guessing
>about what is Broadly Northwestern European and Broadly European all of
>which can be taken with a grain of salt.
>
>I'm pretty boring and probably won't be eligible for any affirmative
>action programs but some people are more colorful.
Probably need some affirmative action on behalf of visitors from outer
space who may want U.S. citizenship for being born here.
Don
Nov 22, 2015, 12:18:40 AM11/22/15
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chart and discovered descent from all kinds of colorful individuals,
from hanged horse thief, to poet, to low level nobility, all European.
My guess is that most of it is conjecture.
>
PaxPerPoten
Nov 22, 2015, 12:20:16 AM11/22/15
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horses DNA run For $75.00 and says it is much more comprehensive then
the $199.00 one.
rbowman
Nov 22, 2015, 2:08:56 AM11/22/15
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On 11/21/2015 10:14 PM, Don wrote:
> Don't see how "converts" to Judeism factor into the biological
> picture, unless belief and mutates mitochonria in some way.
No, I don't think any mutations have been observed from religious
> Don't see how "converts" to Judeism factor into the biological
> picture, unless belief and mutates mitochonria in some way.
conversion. However, Judaism pretends to have some sort of genetic link.
Christians, Muslims, and so forth, anything that's vaguely humanoid can
join the club. Blood is real, religion, not so much. I like to use the
raised by wolves test. What's the probability that an intelligent human
not exposed to the meme is going to come up with Jesus, Mohammed, or Joe
Smith on their own?
rbowman
Nov 22, 2015, 2:26:26 AM11/22/15
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On 11/21/2015 09:16 PM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
> I wonder if it was not really interesting the give and take when Sweden
> controlled/owned Denmark and Norway. Also when the Germanic tribes came
> into Europe from the Iranian Peninsula. And before..of course.
I don't think Sweden controlling Denmark was ever in the mix. Denmark
> I wonder if it was not really interesting the give and take when Sweden
> controlled/owned Denmark and Norway. Also when the Germanic tribes came
> into Europe from the Iranian Peninsula. And before..of course.
more or less was the lead horse in a Denmark/Norway/Sweden combination
for Kalmar Union. Then Sweden broke away and it became Denmark as senior
partner with Norway. Then Denmark came up on the short end of the
Napoleonic War and ceded Norway to Sweden. No love was lost there and
Norway broke away in the early 20th century. Finland comes and goes.
Then Prussia grabbed Schleswig and Holstein for a while. Part of
Schleswig decided to be Danish after WWI, the rest wanted to be German.
It's been a long, strange trip in Europe. Historically, the latest
influx isn't unprecedented.
rbowman
Nov 22, 2015, 2:29:29 AM11/22/15
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On 11/21/2015 09:45 PM, Don wrote:
> Do like the idea that the way we behave downloads
> to our DNA somehow.
La Marck isn't too popular these days, Lysenkoism either. Lysenko
> Do like the idea that the way we behave downloads
> to our DNA somehow.
thought you could teach wheat to grow like rye. A few million people
starved to death when it didn't work. Democrats think you can teach some
people to be civilized. That hasn't worked well either.
PaxPerPoten
Nov 22, 2015, 2:42:18 AM11/22/15
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Sounds incestuous to me.
Don
Nov 22, 2015, 9:41:38 AM11/22/15
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On Sun, 22 Nov 2015 00:31:08 -0700, rbowman <bow...@montana.com>
wrote:
Consider how dogs have been bred to perform different jobs. Dog for
hunting different game. German dogs specialized to hunt badgers,
rats, wolves, etc.. And I understand this was done in a short length
of time, like less than 50 years.
Our culture values seem to approve of certain physical, economic, and
mental types. But lots of women want to marry across cultures. News
media is about entertainment industry, it seems. Too bad homosexuals
aren't reproducing themselves.
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hunting different game. German dogs specialized to hunt badgers,
rats, wolves, etc.. And I understand this was done in a short length
of time, like less than 50 years.
Our culture values seem to approve of certain physical, economic, and
mental types. But lots of women want to marry across cultures. News
media is about entertainment industry, it seems. Too bad homosexuals
aren't reproducing themselves.
Don
Nov 22, 2015, 10:03:44 AM11/22/15
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On Sun, 22 Nov 2015 00:28:03 -0700, rbowman <bow...@montana.com>
wrote:
Explains how Europeans estimate each other. Look at the high cheek
bones on that guy. That one looks like a Neanderthal. Strangely
medieval look to that farm girl. Swiss must have a time sorting out
at the market place their Italian, French, German, home grown types.
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bones on that guy. That one looks like a Neanderthal. Strangely
medieval look to that farm girl. Swiss must have a time sorting out
at the market place their Italian, French, German, home grown types.
oQkWz☢←Ｍｉｇｈｔｙ ☢ Ｗａｎｎａｂｅ→☢qtbPw
Nov 22, 2015, 11:53:23 AM11/22/15
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rbowman
Nov 22, 2015, 1:42:37 PM11/22/15
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On 11/22/2015 08:03 AM, Don wrote:
> Explains how Europeans estimate each other. Look at the high cheek
> bones on that guy. That one looks like a Neanderthal. Strangely
> medieval look to that farm girl. Swiss must have a time sorting out
> at the market place their Italian, French, German, home grown types.
I'm partial to that vaguely Asian look you see with some Slavic and
> Explains how Europeans estimate each other. Look at the high cheek
> bones on that guy. That one looks like a Neanderthal. Strangely
> medieval look to that farm girl. Swiss must have a time sorting out
> at the market place their Italian, French, German, home grown types.
Eastern European women. Must be a Hun in that woodpile.
rbowman
Nov 22, 2015, 1:49:44 PM11/22/15
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On 11/22/2015 07:41 AM, Don wrote:
> Consider how dogs have been bred to perform different jobs. Dog for
> hunting different game. German dogs specialized to hunt badgers,
> rats, wolves, etc.. And I understand this was done in a short length
> of time, like less than 50 years.
Dogs, cattle, chickens, cats, and so forth have been bred for different
> Consider how dogs have been bred to perform different jobs. Dog for
> hunting different game. German dogs specialized to hunt badgers,
> rats, wolves, etc.. And I understand this was done in a short length
> of time, like less than 50 years.
characteristics. Dogs, in particular, have been selected for different
skills and behavioral characteristics along with the physical
expression. It amazes me how people can look at domestic animals and
think the only difference between humans is the physical part. In the
last fifty years we seem to have bred a strain whose only known skill is
signing welfare checks.
rbowman
Nov 22, 2015, 1:53:40 PM11/22/15
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On 11/22/2015 09:53 AM, oQkWz☢←Ｍｉｇｈｔｙ ☢ Ｗａｎｎａｂｅ→☢qtbPw wrote:
>
>
> I don't mind fucking these two lesbians silly to help them get pregnant:
Why don't you practice on this couple; they're a lot closer:
>
>
> I don't mind fucking these two lesbians silly to help them get pregnant:
http://news.yahoo.com/order-baby-lesbian-foster-parents-under-review-082303046.html
They're probably Mormon so they'll convert you too. It's a win-win.
Gunner Asch
Nov 22, 2015, 3:25:32 PM11/22/15
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Don
Nov 22, 2015, 4:01:36 PM11/22/15
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On Sun, 22 Nov 2015 11:51:20 -0700, rbowman <bow...@montana.com>
wrote:
Rewards and success in survival no doubt plays a part in our
evolution, physical and social. Seems to me there must be feedback
mechanisms going on in us, too.
Carl Jung was big on "archetypes," referring to things, patterns,
imagery, etc., and one of his categories of archetypes is about the
way literature and dreams show the "quest" for something, often as a
journey of some kind.
(quote)
Types of Archetypal Journeys
1. The quest for identity
2. The epic journey to find the promised land/to found the good city
3. The quest for vengeance
4. The warrior’s journey to save his people
5. The search for love (to rescue the princess/damsel in distress)
6. The journey in search of knowledge
7. The tragic quest: penance or self-denial
8. The fool’s errand
9. The quest to rid the land of danger
10. The grail quest (the quest for human perfection)
(unquote)
It's a stretch, but I suppose you could imagine that beings like us
are on a journey, in some sense, and express it in dreams and
literature. Maybe at different times a "quest" is involved? Maybe we
are on a collective quest and our mitochondria records something?
wrote:
evolution, physical and social. Seems to me there must be feedback
mechanisms going on in us, too.
Carl Jung was big on "archetypes," referring to things, patterns,
imagery, etc., and one of his categories of archetypes is about the
way literature and dreams show the "quest" for something, often as a
journey of some kind.
(quote)
Types of Archetypal Journeys
1. The quest for identity
2. The epic journey to find the promised land/to found the good city
3. The quest for vengeance
4. The warrior’s journey to save his people
5. The search for love (to rescue the princess/damsel in distress)
6. The journey in search of knowledge
7. The tragic quest: penance or self-denial
8. The fool’s errand
9. The quest to rid the land of danger
10. The grail quest (the quest for human perfection)
(unquote)
It's a stretch, but I suppose you could imagine that beings like us
are on a journey, in some sense, and express it in dreams and
literature. Maybe at different times a "quest" is involved? Maybe we
are on a collective quest and our mitochondria records something?
news13
Nov 22, 2015, 8:30:50 PM11/22/15
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On Sun, 22 Nov 2015 05:41:34 -0900, Don wrote:
> Consider how dogs have been bred to perform different jobs. Dog for
> hunting different game. German dogs specialized to hunt badgers, rats,
> wolves, etc.. And I understand this was done in a short length of time,
> like less than 50 years.
Longer, since domestication.
> Consider how dogs have been bred to perform different jobs. Dog for
> hunting different game. German dogs specialized to hunt badgers, rats,
> wolves, etc.. And I understand this was done in a short length of time,
> like less than 50 years.
The numbers now are in "fashion" accessories rather than working dogs.
Hint, it is faster if you start with close breeds and select from there,
but the inherent dangers show through in many fashion breeds where they
have endemic health problems.
>
> Our culture values seem to approve of certain physical, economic, and
> mental types. But lots of women want to marry across cultures. News
> media is about entertainment industry, it seems. Too bad homosexuals
> aren't reproducing themselves.
sperm bank to cover the shortages. something created by the demand for
children as a fashion accessory.
news13
Nov 22, 2015, 8:33:13 PM11/22/15
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On Sun, 22 Nov 2015 11:53:24 -0500, oQkWz☢←Ｍｉｇｈｔｙ ☢ Ｗａｎｎａｂｅ
→☢qtbPw wrote:
> I don't mind fucking these two lesbians silly to help them get pregnant:
Lol, they'll send you a turkey baster and instructions how to use it for
→☢qtbPw wrote:
> I don't mind fucking these two lesbians silly to help them get pregnant:
collecting.
PaxPerPoten
Nov 22, 2015, 11:42:38 PM11/22/15
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On 11/22/2015 8:41 AM, Don wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2015 00:31:08 -0700, rbowman <bow...@montana.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 11/21/2015 09:45 PM, Don wrote:
>>> Do like the idea that the way we behave downloads
>>> to our DNA somehow.
>>
>> La Marck isn't too popular these days, Lysenkoism either. Lysenko
>> thought you could teach wheat to grow like rye. A few million people
>> starved to death when it didn't work. Democrats think you can teach some
>> people to be civilized. That hasn't worked well either.
>
> Consider how dogs have been bred to perform different jobs. Dog for
> hunting different game. German dogs specialized to hunt badgers,
> rats, wolves, etc.. And I understand this was done in a short length
> of time, like less than 50 years.
Average age of a dog is 10-12 years. A dogs Generation is 2 years thus
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2015 00:31:08 -0700, rbowman <bow...@montana.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 11/21/2015 09:45 PM, Don wrote:
>>> Do like the idea that the way we behave downloads
>>> to our DNA somehow.
>>
>> La Marck isn't too popular these days, Lysenkoism either. Lysenko
>> thought you could teach wheat to grow like rye. A few million people
>> starved to death when it didn't work. Democrats think you can teach some
>> people to be civilized. That hasn't worked well either.
>
> Consider how dogs have been bred to perform different jobs. Dog for
> hunting different game. German dogs specialized to hunt badgers,
> rats, wolves, etc.. And I understand this was done in a short length
> of time, like less than 50 years.
50 years equals 25 generations. That is quite a bit of time.
>
> Our culture values seem to approve of certain physical, economic, and
> mental types. But lots of women want to marry across cultures. News
> media is about entertainment industry, it seems. Too bad homosexuals
> aren't reproducing themselves.
Parades for your entertainment? We already have enough Loony
Heterosexuals that do breed more of their kind. Politics is full of
them. Isn't that entertainment enough?
PaxPerPoten
Nov 22, 2015, 11:46:30 PM11/22/15
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lifestyle? What happens when the Lesbians divorce and the biological
Father is you? 2 separate Child support checks each month.. Yeeeaahh!
Great idea you have.
PaxPerPoten
Nov 22, 2015, 11:48:33 PM11/22/15
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Nov 23, 2015, 12:25:03 AM11/23/15
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'no desire' to be a dad, just a 'cool dude' who wants to help".
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This is the same as men sowing wild oaks in the old days. No ties.
Or like back in the 1960-70 women's liberation days. An
independent-minded woman just wanted to get pregnant and raise a child
by herself.
PaxPerPoten
Nov 23, 2015, 12:46:23 AM11/23/15
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pay the bill. That is why sperm banks have total anonymity.
>
>
> This is the same as men sowing wild oaks in the old days. No ties.
>
> Or like back in the 1960-70 women's liberation days. An
> independent-minded woman just wanted to get pregnant and raise a child
> by herself.
Yep...Then promptly signed up for "Aid To Dependent Children". And the
> Or like back in the 1960-70 women's liberation days. An
> independent-minded woman just wanted to get pregnant and raise a child
> by herself.
Feds wised up in a hurry and if no Daddy was named ..no paycheck was
issued. Many made a career out of those Government support checks..Just
have another Bastard every few years.
Don
Nov 23, 2015, 3:06:09 AM11/23/15
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On Sun, 22 Nov 2015 23:46:21 -0600, PaxPerPoten <P...@USA.org> wrote:
>On 11/22/2015 11:25 PM, pnNqT???????? ? ?????????bnDCr wrote:
>> PaxPerPoten wrote on 2015-11-22 23:46:
>>> On 11/22/2015 10:53 AM, oQkWz???????? ? ?????????qtbPw
The famous syndrome you are probably referring to is when daughters of
the single mother, who may be a doper living on SS, follows mom's
pattern and deliberately gets pregnant at about age fourteen. Then
she can get welfare herself and with a couple kids drawing checks,
retire and go bar-hopping with mother. Pattern repeats every 15 years
with exponential ramifications of syndrome.
What did you think drugs in the U.S. are for? Shh! don't bring this
up, because the media and community organization politicians have a
"black" out on this. Might result in too much public concern and hurt
the mob. Look for Hollywood movies featuring single mothers on drugs,
which show the virtues of rehab.
>On 11/22/2015 11:25 PM, pnNqT???????? ? ?????????bnDCr wrote:
>> PaxPerPoten wrote on 2015-11-22 23:46:
the single mother, who may be a doper living on SS, follows mom's
pattern and deliberately gets pregnant at about age fourteen. Then
she can get welfare herself and with a couple kids drawing checks,
retire and go bar-hopping with mother. Pattern repeats every 15 years
with exponential ramifications of syndrome.
What did you think drugs in the U.S. are for? Shh! don't bring this
up, because the media and community organization politicians have a
"black" out on this. Might result in too much public concern and hurt
the mob. Look for Hollywood movies featuring single mothers on drugs,
which show the virtues of rehab.
Don
Nov 23, 2015, 3:23:54 AM11/23/15
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On Sun, 22 Nov 2015 22:42:37 -0600, PaxPerPoten <P...@USA.org> wrote:
>On 11/22/2015 8:41 AM, Don wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Nov 2015 00:31:08 -0700, rbowman <bow...@montana.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/21/2015 09:45 PM, Don wrote:
>>>> Do like the idea that the way we behave downloads
>>>> to our DNA somehow.
>>>
>>> La Marck isn't too popular these days, Lysenkoism either. Lysenko
>>> thought you could teach wheat to grow like rye. A few million people
>>> starved to death when it didn't work. Democrats think you can teach some
>>> people to be civilized. That hasn't worked well either.
>>
>> Consider how dogs have been bred to perform different jobs. Dog for
>> hunting different game. German dogs specialized to hunt badgers,
>> rats, wolves, etc.. And I understand this was done in a short length
>> of time, like less than 50 years.
>
>Average age of a dog is 10-12 years. A dogs Generation is 2 years thus
>50 years equals 25 generations. That is quite a bit of time.
Dog that hunts waterfowl, like Labrador retriever; upland game birds,
>On 11/22/2015 8:41 AM, Don wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Nov 2015 00:31:08 -0700, rbowman <bow...@montana.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/21/2015 09:45 PM, Don wrote:
>>>> Do like the idea that the way we behave downloads
>>>> to our DNA somehow.
>>>
>>> La Marck isn't too popular these days, Lysenkoism either. Lysenko
>>> thought you could teach wheat to grow like rye. A few million people
>>> starved to death when it didn't work. Democrats think you can teach some
>>> people to be civilized. That hasn't worked well either.
>>
>> Consider how dogs have been bred to perform different jobs. Dog for
>> hunting different game. German dogs specialized to hunt badgers,
>> rats, wolves, etc.. And I understand this was done in a short length
>> of time, like less than 50 years.
>
>Average age of a dog is 10-12 years. A dogs Generation is 2 years thus
>50 years equals 25 generations. That is quite a bit of time.
like pointer; upland game birds and don't point but flush, like
spaniels. Had a lab that learned to spot incoming flying pigeons.
Degree of specialization is shown in sheep dogs. Not sure if
bloodhounds are really that much better at tracking than German
shepherd, since that would imply a learned ability to smell?
>
>>
>> Our culture values seem to approve of certain physical, economic, and
>> mental types. But lots of women want to marry across cultures. News
>> media is about entertainment industry, it seems. Too bad homosexuals
>> aren't reproducing themselves.
>
>And why would we need more Homosexuals? Maybe not enough colorful Gay
>Parades for your entertainment? We already have enough Loony
>Heterosexuals that do breed more of their kind. Politics is full of
>them. Isn't that entertainment enough?
But the sexual bonding thing seems to contradict Darwin's Rules, and
>>
>> Our culture values seem to approve of certain physical, economic, and
>> mental types. But lots of women want to marry across cultures. News
>> media is about entertainment industry, it seems. Too bad homosexuals
>> aren't reproducing themselves.
>
>And why would we need more Homosexuals? Maybe not enough colorful Gay
>Parades for your entertainment? We already have enough Loony
>Heterosexuals that do breed more of their kind. Politics is full of
>them. Isn't that entertainment enough?
now society has it cope with at superficial levels. Does this mean we
are mutating into different sub-species? Big loss for women who used
to control the DNA more. And I notice on TV that women seem to
struggle with balancing appearance, competency, and being cute for
men. Maybe it's always been true that women survive by means of
feminine wiles, but now the lip gloss and other cosmetics seem more
obvious, at least before the camera.
>>
Stormin Mormon
Nov 23, 2015, 7:35:07 AM11/23/15
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On 11/22/2015 1:51 PM, rbowman wrote:
> Dogs, cattle, chickens, cats, and so forth have been bred for different
> characteristics. Dogs, in particular, have been selected for different
> skills and behavioral characteristics along with the physical
> expression. It amazes me how people can look at domestic animals and
> think the only difference between humans is the physical part. In the
> last fifty years we seem to have bred a strain whose only known skill is
> signing welfare checks.
The welfare types I've met all have direct deposit.
> Dogs, cattle, chickens, cats, and so forth have been bred for different
> characteristics. Dogs, in particular, have been selected for different
> skills and behavioral characteristics along with the physical
> expression. It amazes me how people can look at domestic animals and
> think the only difference between humans is the physical part. In the
> last fifty years we seem to have bred a strain whose only known skill is
> signing welfare checks.
My former friend Lenny's skills included coffee,
cigs, talking on the phone, watching cable TV, and
doing odd jobs for the neighbors for cash.
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PaxPerPoten
Nov 24, 2015, 12:29:54 AM11/24/15
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Stormin Mormon
Nov 24, 2015, 6:20:45 AM11/24/15
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On 11/24/2015 12:29 AM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
> On 11/23/2015 6:35 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>> The welfare types I've met all have direct deposit.
>>
>> My former friend Lenny's skills included coffee,
>> cigs, talking on the phone, watching cable TV, and
>> doing odd jobs for the neighbors for cash.
>
>
> Mormon???
>
Fortunately, no. Though he'd met the
> On 11/23/2015 6:35 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>> The welfare types I've met all have direct deposit.
>>
>> My former friend Lenny's skills included coffee,
>> cigs, talking on the phone, watching cable TV, and
>> doing odd jobs for the neighbors for cash.
>
>
> Mormon???
>
missionaries many times. The church has
enough people to take care of, without
adding Lenny.
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