Missing Person near Paradise, MI,
Len McDougall, Outdoor Writer
Missing since: July 12, 2008
Last seen: Tahqua Trail, approximately 5 miles south of Paradise,
Michigan
PRESS RELEASE FROM CHIPPEWA COUNTY SHERIFF DEPARTMENT
Joe Clewley has been missing since 7-12-08. Joe's vehicle was found
on Tahqua Trail at the trail head to the North Country Pathway. This
is located south of Paradise Michigan within Chippewa County. Joe has
a family cabin within a mile or two of the trail head.
Joe is very familiar with the country in that area as he is an avid
hiker and has used that area for the past 20 plus years.
An extensive search has been conducted with no results in the area
around that vehicle and cabin. If anyone has seen Joe since 7-12-08 or
seen another vehicle or people around the trail head on or around
7-12-08, please contact the Chippewa County Sheriff's Office at
906-635-6355 or dial 911.
UPDATE: The search for Mr. Clewley has been ongoing from the
beginning. Several weeks after Mr. Clewley and Chip went missing, Chip
returned to the Clewley family. Chip had lost some weight but was in
good shape.
Several hundred hours have been used in searching for Mr. Clewley.
The family has been a real help in keeping this investigation fresh in
the minds of the public as well as this investigator.
The latest search consisted of an entire weekend, Oct 11th/12th,
using five K-9 Cadaver trained units and support staff from Mi Search
and Rescue as well as Mr. Neiger and the Clewley family.
Another extensive search is scheduled for the first weekend in
November. We are hoping to give it one more big push before the
arrival of winter.
Special thanks must go out to Mike Neiger and Chris Ozminski. They
have dedicated most of their summer searching diligently in the search
area. A personal thanks to them is needed as their searching came up
with some very pertinent/hard to find evidence that has lead this
investigation in a certain direction.
Mr. Neiger is a survivalist with an extensive Law Enforcement
background. His knowledge in the preservation of evidence and crime
lab expertise has been a great help in the field. Mr. Neiger has
dedicated a Search web site for this case.
The Chippewa Co Sheriff Office would like to give a Special Thanks to
the following:
MDOC- ERT TEAM
USCG/INVESTIGATIVE SERVICE
BMPD/K-9 UNIT (Officer Baragwanath)
MSP/K-9 UNIT (Tpr Bourdlais)
BORDER PATROL/K-9 UNIT
MI SEARCH AND RESCUE (volunteer group with Cadaver trained K-9 units)
CHUCK MCREEDY (No boundries Maps and Graphics Inc) www.nbmaps.com
MIKE NEIGER
CHRIS OZMINSKI
DNR (Air support)
MSP (Air support)
USCG (Air support)
THE ENTIRE CLEWLEY FAMILY AND CLOSE FRIENDS
_____________________________________________________________________________________________
*** This sort of disaster occurs too frequently in the nearly 3-
million acres of public forest in Michigan's vast Upper Peninsula
(pop. 330,000, but bigger than the whole of the United Kingdom).
There are poor souls out here who have never been found. Residents of
the Paradise area are pretty woods-savvy, but even 29-year old Chris
Hallaxs went missing in March 2004, and hasn't been seen since
(mentioned in the Introduction of the book "Practical Outdoor
Survival," 2nd Edition, April 2008).
Len McDougall, Author
Stormin Mormon
and find that the locals have done a reasonably extensive search. Still
trying to figure out what action you'd like us to take. Should we drive
there, and help with the search? Donate money? Pray? Be more careful,
ourselves?
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
"Len McDougall, Outdoor Writer" <LMwr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:5d592476-1f1b-40da...@k19g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
Siskuwihane
<cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> What would you like us to do, or to learn from this post? I read it through,
> and find that the locals have done a reasonably extensive search. Still
> trying to figure out what action you'd like us to take. Should we drive
> there, and help with the search? Donate money? Pray? Be more careful,
> ourselves?
It all comes down to "(mentioned in the Introduction of the book
"Practical Outdoor
Survival," 2nd Edition, April 2008). "
It's right up there with the Chia Pet as a must have Christmas gift.
> "Len McDougall, Outdoor Writer" <LMwrit...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:5d592476-1f1b-40da...@k19g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
Wettlesheim
> and find that the locals have done a reasonably extensive search. Still
> trying to figure out what action you'd like us to take. Should we drive
> there, and help with the search? Donate money? Pray? Be more careful,
> ourselves?
>
> --
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
> .
>
> Missing People: Joe Clewley
<snipped Lennie's useless scribbling)
http://therucksack.tripod.com/MiBSAR/Cases/Clewley/Clewley.htm
http://forums.backpacker.com/cgi-bin/forums/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=613107219;t=9991108276
Lennie once again is using a tragedy in a lame attempt to peddle his
poorly written books, he should stick to writing 5-star reviews using
his girlfriend's name on amazon.com. Think he puts on her bras and
panties when he's writing bogus reviews? By doing so it would make
the reviews more realistic.
Nicholas
Winston_Smith wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:06:27 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
> <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >What would you like us to do, or to learn from this post? I read it through,
> >and find that the locals have done a reasonably extensive search. Still
> >trying to figure out what action you'd like us to take. Should we drive
> >there, and help with the search? Donate money? Pray? Be more careful,
> >ourselves?
>
> Given he went missing in July and the sheriff's press release was also
> dated July, the guy is either dead in a remote place, found but Len
> doesn't know about it, or he disappeared by design.
There are Predators out in the wilds. I ran into 2 each wild dogs
that could bring down a bull moose during the rut.
I never go to the woods without a ....concealed firearm.... If you
see me in the woods somewhere, bet that I'm carrying. Because *out
there,* nobody can hear you scream.
Lg
Wolf Leverich
Um, I don't know where you're hiking, but if it's CONUS
then you're prolly a bedwetter.
I've spent years outdoors in the Lower 48, and I've prolly
had more close encounters with rattlers than anything else.
I've seen pretty much every imaginable type of critter, and
100% of them ran away, usually while I was still more than a
hundred yards away.
The few things that are actual threats -- like a cougar having
a really bad hair day or a momma grizzly who perceives you as
a threat to her cubs -- prolly aren't going to give you
enough time to draw a weapon and might not be real impressed
by any sort of peashooter you happened to be carrying, anyway.
If you want to increase your survival chances, leave the gun
at home and use the weight to carry a PLBish device and more
layers.
Of course, if you really are a coward and need the gun to
feel secure, by all means carry it. The psychological
benefit may make the weight worth it.
Cheers, Wolf.
the Moderator
"Wolf Leverich" <leve...@linkpendium.com> wrote in message
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Too many people discount the reality that guns are fun.
Nicholas
I hate to say this, but boy are you full of shit.
Feral dogs? Let me introduce you to just ONE of them. If you are not
armed with a knife or firearm, you're dead. I've watched dogs kill
unarmed HUMANS, nevermind other animals. BTDT.
Please contact me at my valid email addy so we can make arrangements.
and, wash that shit out of your brain box. I can smell the stink all
the way over here.
Lg
Nicholas
I hate to say this, but boy are you full of shit.
You
"Wolf Leverich" <leve...@linkpendium.com> wrote:
> Um, I don't know where you're hiking, but if it's CONUS
> then you're prolly a bedwetter.
>
> I've spent years outdoors in the Lower 48, and I've prolly
> had more close encounters with rattlers than anything else.
> I've seen pretty much every imaginable type of critter, and
> 100% of them ran away, usually while I was still more than a
> hundred yards away.
>
> The few things that are actual threats -- like a cougar having
> a really bad hair day or a momma grizzly who perceives you as
> a threat to her cubs -- prolly aren't going to give you
> enough time to draw a weapon and might not be real impressed
> by any sort of peashooter you happened to be carrying, anyway.
>
> If you want to increase your survival chances, leave the gun
> at home and use the weight to carry a PLBish device and more
> layers.
>
> Of course, if you really are a coward and need the gun to
> feel secure, by all means carry it. The psychological
> benefit may make the weight worth it.
>
> Cheers, Wolf.
Wolf, Sunny you wouldn't last a week on Kodiak Island, Alaska, or just
about anywhere else that Brown Bears habitate. Just consider yourself
as Brown Bear Chow, and leave it at that......
PS, what kind of grammar are conjuring up, you being a PHD and all.....
Wolf Leverich
>> Of course, if you really are a coward and need the gun to
>> feel secure, by all means carry it. The psychological
>> benefit may make the weight worth it.
>>
>> Cheers, Wolf.
>
> I hate to say this, but boy are you full of shit.
>
> Feral dogs? Let me introduce you to just ONE of them. If you are not
> armed with a knife or firearm, you're dead. I've watched dogs kill
> unarmed HUMANS, nevermind other animals. BTDT.
>
> Please contact me at my valid email addy so we can make arrangements.
> and, wash that shit out of your brain box. I can smell the stink all
> the way over here.
>
> Lg
How about a reference on how many feral dog kills of human
adults occur in the Lower 48 wilderness every year? ;)
Cheers, Wolf.
Siskuwihane
Hold on while I get some popcorn, I have a feeling this thread is
going to be lengthy...
Nicholas
Not many people go where they are, so the count is low, but it is
real. In fact and reality, people's own pet pitbulls and dobermans
sometimes turn on their owner with FATAL RESULTS.
I don't think there is a registry for these *accidents* so good luck
putting a number on it, but it happens, probably a lot more often than
you imagine.
You still haven't given me a date you're going to meet a *pet pitbull*
that a friend of mine owns. You'll be locked in a cage with it. If
you survive 20 minutes without Lethal Injury, I will give you $1,000
cash, US dollars.
You get no weapons, and must wear *ordinary street clothes*
Bet?
Lg
Wolf Leverich
You're either reading-impaired or not military.
CONUS usually means Lower 48, unless specifically qualified to
include Alaska. There just aren't enough brown bears down here
to be a meaningful threat, and even then we aren't a preferred
food.
Even on Kodiak, the brown bear population is about 3,000
individuals and the tourists need a guide to find the darn things.
There have only been 56 bear fatalities in all of Alaska in the
last century, and most of those have been because a human did
something stupid rather than a bear looking for dinner. See
http://www.absc.usgs.gov/research/brownbears/attacks/bear-human_conflicts.htm
for plenty of information.
Guns may be good for the psychology of the cowardly, but there's
all sorts of gear that, pound for pound, is more likely to keep
you alive in the Lower 48 backcountry. In Alaska, dunno -- I
haven't done enough wilderness travel up there to have an informed
opinion about what a good gear list looks like.
Cheers, Wolf.
Chasseur
"Wolf Leverich" <leve...@linkpendium.com> a écrit dans le message de
news:slrngk2qin....@askin-17.linkpendium.com...
There is nothing cowardly about being prepared. You may not like guns but
in the bush they have their place and usefulness. Here in Quebec we have at
least 2 or 3 cases of people treed by black bears each year and garbage dump
bears regularly stand their ground facing humans. We have had one case of a
bear entering a kindergarden around noon in a small town 60 miles from
Montreal. Caribou hunters encounter polar bears regularly because the ice
pack is melting and they are having more trouble hunting seals. Wolves are
making a comeback and have killed dogs as close as fifty miles from
Montreal. Furthermore we have had a female marathon runner killed by a
black bear on Valcartier military base very close to Quebec City a few years
ago.
Chasseur
Canada
the Moderator
"Nicholas" <Lawrence...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Maybe this will help.
http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/statestats.asp
I would imagine most of these dogs were pets and the danger seems limited.
On public trails the family pet is more of a threat than a feral dog. It
has been a long time since we had good old fashioned, 'dogs on the trail'
flame war.
Combining guns and dogs could be the old one-two punch. Hehehe
the Moderator
"Chasseur" <ycas...@zid.com> wrote in message
news:uXe0l.1457$E21....@newsfe10.iad...
... and guns are fun, dammit. Why does everyone fail to make this point?
Nicholas
These numbers are bullshit. How do I know? Because =I= never
reported my own ATTACK to authorities, and I bet only 1 out of 100
_does_. So the numbers are meaningless, get it? IOW...."bullshit"
I had two 80 pound dogs eat my car trying to get at me. If I had it
on videotape, you would say they were rabid. You have NO IDEA.
Either does wolfie. Maybe someday, you people will learn THE HARD
WAY. You'll have 2 seconds to shit your pants, and 3 minutes to DIE.
Lg
hlil...@juno.com
> You still haven't given me a date you're going to meet a *pet pitbull*
> that a friend of mine owns. You'll be locked in a cage with it. If
> you survive 20 minutes without Lethal Injury, I will give you $1,000
> cash, US dollars.
> You get no weapons, and must wear *ordinary street clothes*
> Bet?
How about an equivalent challenge for you:
You to meet a friend of mine. You'll be locked in a cage with him.
See if you survive 20 minutes without Lethal Injury,
You get no weapons, and must wear *ordinary street clothes*
Bet? Actually I can't because it would be considered murder but trust
me, you wouldn't survive 30 seconds if he decided it was time for you
to die.
Now you tell me how much that has to do with your safety walking down
a street in a regular part of town.
Your friend's trained pit bull with a victim locked in a cage is no
more representative of regular wildlife than my trained friend is of
the people you see walking the street every day. In general wildlife
really doesn't want to harm you. Wild animals will only attack if
they are threatened or in very unusual cases in which they want to eat
you. However very few animals except things like mosquitoes think of
you as food.
hlil...@juno.com
wrote:
> It
> has been a long time since we had good old fashioned, 'dogs on the trail'
> flame war.
> Combining guns and dogs could be the old one-two punch. Hehehe
Hmm. Maybe you should throw in mountain bikes and horses as well. If
you want a flame war might as well do it right.
Libby loo
"Wolf Leverich" <leve...@linkpendium.com> wrote in message
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> The few things that are actual threats -- like a cougar having
> a really bad hair day or a momma grizzly who perceives you as
> a threat to her cubs -- prolly aren't going to give you
> enough time to draw a weapon and might not be real impressed
> by any sort of peashooter you happened to be carrying, anyway.
>
> If you want to increase your survival chances, leave the gun
> at home and use the weight to carry a PLBish device and more
> layers.
>
> Of course, if you really are a coward and need the gun to
> feel secure, by all means carry it. The psychological
> benefit may make the weight worth it.
>
> Cheers, Wolf.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/01/13/eveningnews/main536337.shtml
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=6080893
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/natbltn/001-099/nb002.htm
http://www.fpdcc.com/tier3.php?release_id=141
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1N1-110EB471FAD24DC8.html
Wolf Leverich
> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/01/13/eveningnews/main536337.shtml
> http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=6080893
> http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/natbltn/001-099/nb002.htm
> http://www.fpdcc.com/tier3.php?release_id=141
> http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1N1-110EB471FAD24DC8.html
Interesting articles, but they mean what?
Yeah, pitbulls (and mishandled dogs in general) kill people
in cities.
Yeah, coyotes (like most wild critters) are hard to find.
And a few other sorta obvious notions like that.
Cook County is not one of America's most widely known
wilderness areas. ;)
I have no opinion on whether it makes sense to carry a gun
when you're jogging in suburbia -- it's not one of the things
I've spent much of my life doing, and I haven't much pondered
the risks.
But I've spent a lot of years in the backcountry, and I've
got a pretty good idea how it works. Things like hypothermia
or getting immobilized with no way to yelp for help are
infinitely more likely to kill you out there than critters.
BTW, the "guns are fun" notion is a perfectly good reason to
carry a gun, if you like plinking things. Serious hunting is
another good reason. But as a survival tool, in a probabilistic
sense more PLBs, more layers, more quick-burning calories, ... ,
are a whole lot more likely to keep you alive.
Cheers, Wolf.
robert bowman
> CONUS usually means Lower 48, unless specifically qualified to
> include Alaska. There just aren't enough brown bears down here
> to be a meaningful threat, and even then we aren't a preferred
> food.
There were 10 fatalities in Glacier since it opened in 1910. Not meaningful,
unless it's your ass, of course.
Libby Loo
"Wolf Leverich" <leve...@linkpendium.com> wrote in message
news:slrngk3hgn....@askin-17.linkpendium.com...
> On 2008-12-12, Libby loo <gu...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/01/13/eveningnews/main536337.shtml
>> http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=6080893
>> http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/natbltn/001-099/nb002.htm
>> http://www.fpdcc.com/tier3.php?release_id=141
>> http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1N1-110EB471FAD24DC8.html
>
>
> Interesting articles, but they mean what?
It means LG was right about his needing a weapon and that you were probably
wrong about the bedwetting, I'll let him address that one :) Short quotes
from the articles show that there is plenty wildlife, and they were all shot
with real weapons, not pea shooters.
-One policeman says he saw the dog coming at him and shot and killed him.
The second dog was spotted and killed a short distance away.
-150-pound cougar shot dead on Chicago's North Side
-That same winter the rangers shot four other animals that were obviously
part coyote and part dog.
- feral dogs in the Forest Preserves.
- wild dogs in the Dan Ryan Woods
>
> Yeah, pitbulls (and mishandled dogs in general) kill people
> in cities.
>
> Yeah, coyotes (like most wild critters) are hard to find.
>
> And a few other sorta obvious notions like that.
>
> Cook County is not one of America's most widely known
> wilderness areas. ;)
It's one of our well kept secrets. There are lots of wilderness areas in and
around Chicago. It's not the wild west, but plenty of nasties make their
home in Cook County, both two legged and four legged.
Scroll down to the Cook County section of the page and click around a bit.
Lots of wide open space in the city and suburbia.
http://www.chicagowildernessmag.org/issues/spring2008/itw.html
robert bowman
> I've spent years outdoors in the Lower 48, and I've prolly
> had more close encounters with rattlers than anything else.
> I've seen pretty much every imaginable type of critter, and
> 100% of them ran away, usually while I was still more than a
> hundred yards away.
>
I never had a problem with any of them, but I've encountered cats and bears
closer than 100 yards, and neither of us was running anyplace. Some bears
do leave rapidly or tree, some don't, I'd say about 50/50. Elk and deer get
shot at often enough to be a little skittish, but most of the sheep, goats,
and moose I've met weren't running either. They're no problem either, but
the coyotes and javelina I've run into didn't seem particularly impressed
either. Of the whole mess, the one that gave me the worst feeling was a
lynx that looked like it was deciding if I was edible or not.
Sometimes I carry something capable of making a loud noise, sometimes I
don't. Not to put a fine point on it, if something goes real sour someplace
where I'm not expecting anybody to be passing by for a month or two, I'm
not planning to saw my arm off with a $3.95 leatherman ripoff, try to duct
tape myself back together after a griz chews me up, or spend a week or two
writing my thoughts on the cover of a bible.
The Seventh Sign
<LMwrit...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Missing People: Joe Clewley
> Missing since: July 12, 2008
> Last seen: Tahqua Trail, approximately 5 miles south of Paradise,
> Michigan
>
> PRESS RELEASE FROM CHIPPEWA COUNTY SHERIFF DEPARTMENT
>
> Joe Clewley has been missing since 7-12-08. Joe's vehicle was found
> on Tahqua Trail at the trail head to the North Country Pathway. This
> is located south of Paradise Michigan within Chippewa County. Joe has
> a family cabin within a mile or two of the trail head.
> Joe is very familiar with the country in that area as he is an avid
> hiker and has used that area for the past 20 plus years.
> An extensive search has been conducted with no results in the area
> around that vehicle and cabin. If anyone has seen Joe since 7-12-08 or
> seen another vehicle or people around the trail head on or around
> 7-12-08, please contact the Chippewa County Sheriff's Office at
> 906-635-6355 or dial 911.
>
> UPDATE: The search for Mr. Clewley has been ongoing from the
> beginning. Several weeks after Mr. Clewley and Chip went missing, Chip
> returned to the Clewley family. Chip had lost some weight but was in
> good shape.
> Several hundred hours have been used in searching for Mr. Clewley.
> The family has been a real help in keeping this investigation fresh in
> the minds of the public as well as this investigator.
> The latest search consisted of an entire weekend, Oct 11th/12th,
> using five K-9 Cadaver trained units and support staff from Mi Search
> and Rescue as well as Mr. Neiger and the Clewley family.
> Another extensive search is scheduled for the first weekend in
> November. We are hoping to give it one more big push before the
> arrival of winter.
> Special thanks must go out to Mike Neiger and Chris Ozminski. They
> have dedicated most of their summer searching diligently in the search
> area. A personal thanks to them is needed as their searching came up
> with some very pertinent/hard to find evidence that has lead this
> investigation in a certain direction.
> Mr. Neiger is a survivalist with an extensive Law Enforcement
> background. His knowledge in the preservation of evidence and crime
> lab expertise has been a great help in the field. Mr. Neiger has
> dedicated a Search web site for this case.
>
> The Chippewa Co Sheriff Office would like to give a Special Thanks to
> the following:
> MDOC- ERT TEAM
> USCG/INVESTIGATIVE SERVICE
> BMPD/K-9 UNIT (Officer Baragwanath)
> MSP/K-9 UNIT (Tpr Bourdlais)
> BORDER PATROL/K-9 UNIT
> MI SEARCH AND RESCUE (volunteer group with Cadaver trained K-9 units)
> CHUCK MCREEDY (No boundries Maps and Graphics Inc)www.nbmaps.com
> MIKE NEIGER
> CHRIS OZMINSKI
> DNR (Air support)
> MSP (Air support)
> USCG (Air support)
> THE ENTIRE CLEWLEY FAMILY AND CLOSE FRIENDS
> _____________________________________________________________________________________________
>
> *** This sort of disaster occurs too frequently in the nearly 3-
> million acres of public forest in Michigan's vast Upper Peninsula
> (pop. 330,000, but bigger than the whole of the United Kingdom).
> There are poor souls out here who have never been found. Residents of
> the Paradise area are pretty woods-savvy, but even 29-year old Chris
> Hallaxs went missing in March 2004, and hasn't been seen since
> (mentioned in the Introduction of the book "Practical Outdoor
> Survival," 2nd Edition, April 2008).
>
> Len McDougall, Author
Well it is the most relevant post i have seen in a while in
misc.survivalism.
Welcome back Len!
Seems as though other can not stop spaming politics in this news
group!
TSS
Nicholas
Libby Loo wrote:
> "Wolf Leverich" <leve...@linkpendium.com> wrote in message
> news:slrngk3hgn....@askin-17.linkpendium.com...
> > On 2008-12-12, Libby loo <gu...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> >
> >> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/01/13/eveningnews/main536337.shtml
> >> http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=6080893
> >> http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/natbltn/001-099/nb002.htm
> >> http://www.fpdcc.com/tier3.php?release_id=141
> >> http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1N1-110EB471FAD24DC8.html
> >
> >
> > Interesting articles, but they mean what?
>
> It means LG was right about his needing a weapon and that you were probably
> wrong about the bedwetting, I'll let him address that one :) Short quotes
> from the articles show that there is plenty wildlife, and they were all shot
> with real weapons, not pea shooters.
>
> -One policeman says he saw the dog coming at him and shot and killed him.
> The second dog was spotted and killed a short distance away.
> -150-pound cougar shot dead on Chicago's North Side
> -That same winter the rangers shot four other animals that were obviously
> part coyote and part dog.
> - feral dogs in the Forest Preserves.
> - wild dogs in the Dan Ryan Woods
To be *frank,* I'm too old to give a damn what does or doesn't happen
to wolfie. He is obviously not worth the time and effort to
rehabilitate. People like this are what we call useless eaters.
So far, his ignorance and phobias have indicated an aversion to
technology and weaponry, and his only recourse to attack is to call up
his special forces friend to come over to his location and handle the
problem for him because he is too lame to take care of business
himself.
Enough wasted space on wolfie. His day will come. The great street
sweeper in the sky will decide he fucked the duck one too many times,
and that's all she wrote...a footnote on the back page of the local
scandal rag.
Technophobe
Hoplophobe
Ignorant
wasted space
He will be sorely missed as an example of what you don't want to
become when you grow up.
Lg
robert bowman
> So far, his ignorance and phobias have indicated an aversion to
> technology and weaponry,
Apparently just weaponry; I had to goole to figure out what 'PLBish' was.
Technology is grand; a cell phone allowed searchers to find two missing
hikers last weekend on one of the local trails. They spotted the glow of
the phone in the dead guy's hand with night vision glasses. His companion
was just as lifeless. The dog survived.
Wayne
Siskuwihane
> Enough wasted space on wolfie. His day will come. The great street
> sweeper in the sky will decide he fucked the duck one too many times,
> and that's all she wrote...a footnote on the back page of the local
> scandal rag.
> Technophobe
> Hoplophobe
> Ignorant
> wasted space
>
> He will be sorely missed as an example of what you don't want to
> become when you grow up.
That has also been said about Len McGoogle.
Nicholas
I have yet to see Len's =credentials= as a Certified Scatologist. Did
he pass his testing at an accredited University?
The test:
You come upon 10 piles of poop, all unlabeled and laid out in linear
fashion. You have 10 minutes to identify all of them _without_
dissecting them for contents:
e.g.:
tse tse fly shit
brown/black bear shit
diamond back rattlesnake shit
giraffe shit
orangutan shit
komodo dragon shit
dog shit
buffalo shit
bird of Paradise shit
alligator shit
A passing grade is correct identification of 8 out of 10 samples.
Can he or has he passed such a test? If not, I don't consider his
opinion anything other than that...an opinion.
Lg
the Moderator
Siskuwihane wrote:
> On Dec 12, 4:51?am, Nicholas <Lawrence_Glick...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Enough wasted space on wolfie. ?His day will come. ?The great street
The test:
Lg
***********************
Since I started reading Usenet I am getting better at identifying bull shit
:-)
Wolf Leverich
> Hmmmm......do you have any concerns about 2 legged predators?
Never seen one of those critters in the backcountry.
The menu of things that can kill you while jogging in
suburban Chicago is almost completely different from
the list of things that can kill you in the actual
backcountry.
The reason I'm on about this, btw, is that in a good
year I may take as many as 50 groups of people into
the backcountry. It's infinitely annoying to have to
deal with the real problems they have -- like getting
cold, hungry, or lost -- because they've left essential
supplies at home to free up weight for carrying technology
that might make sense in Los Angeles but is pretty much
useless in the Sierras.
Cheers, Wolf.
Nicholas
Circumstantial Evidence might point to bull shit rather than cow shit,
but if you answer bovine shit, you might be able to slip that by your
professor ;-0
My personal interest in Turd Identification came when I was doing a
walkabout in a bird sanctuary. I identified Owl Shit by dissecting
the droppings carefully. Inside were small mammal bones, fur that
looked like mouse fur, and some other undigested dietary choices an
Owl would make in that environment.
Mostly these days...I stick with identifying my own turds...for any
obvious signs of blood, evaluate it for softness to indicate proper
bacterial flora and hydration from my gastrointestinal system and so
on.
Happy Turd Hunting !
Lg
Libby Loo
"Wolf Leverich" <leve...@linkpendium.com> wrote in message
news:slrngk5hc7....@askin-17.linkpendium.com...
Paradise is a couple thousand miles closer to Chicago than it is to the
Sierras. If you ever plan to visit, come prepared and pack wisely.
Jerry Strahan
PLBish device
Nicholas
> Hi..What is this?
> PLBish device
Just do a Google search for Personal Locator Device. Or do a wiki
search.
In short, it sends out a distress signal with your geocoordinates in a
life/death emergency, or in the case of SPOT, you can also send an
"all is well" message that won't call in rescue, but will show people
on a map where you are.
Lg
Siskuwihane
> "Wolf Leverich" <lever...@linkpendium.com> wrote in message
From what I've read, all you need is a van.
Wettlesheim
> On Dec 10, 5:06 pm, "Stormin Mormon"
>
> <cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > What would you like us to do, or to learn from this post? I read it through,
> > and find that the locals have done a reasonably extensive search. Still
> > trying to figure out what action you'd like us to take. Should we drive
> > there, and help with the search? Donate money? Pray? Be more careful,
> > ourselves?
>
> "Practical Outdoor
> Survival," 2nd Edition, April 2008). "
>
According to these books reviews Len Mcdougall IS a 5-star author
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/The-Field-Stream-Wilderness-Survival-Handbook/Len-McDougall/e/9781585743568/?itm=3&tabname=custreview#TABS
. Why else would people write such great reviews?? Here's a little
trivia about the Paradise MI area that Len has never mentioned
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXzzCejPruA&feature=related
>
> > "LenMcDougall, Outdoor Writer" <LMwrit...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:5d592476-1f1b-40da...@k19g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
Mike Romain
> According to these books reviews Len Mcdougall IS a 5-star author
> http://search.barnesandnoble.com/The-Field-Stream-Wilderness-Survival-Handbook/Len-McDougall/e/9781585743568/?itm=3&tabname=custreview#TABS
> . Why else would people write such great reviews??
I guess you haven't been following along, his reviews have been proven
to be faked, written by his girlfriend and business partner and other
friends if not himself under other names.
He is a proven fraud.
Mike
Wettlesheim
> >http://search.barnesandnoble.com/The-Field-Stream-Wilderness-Survival...
> > . Why else would people write such great reviews??
>
> I guess you haven't been following along, his reviews have been proven
> to be faked, written by his girlfriend and business partner and other
> friends if not himself under other names.
>
> He is a proven fraud.
>
> Mike
Yes, I've been. I find it very amusing how obvious it is that he
wrote the reviews and then in a crude, laughable, feeble attempt tried
to hide his identity thinking he fooled people, which in some magical
manner the reviews will increase book sales. A person only has to read
a few sentences of any of Len's books to see he is writing fiction
such as this reviewer points out http://books.google.com/books?id=9XOc2_u7z6cC#reviews_anchor
. Len could be extremely successful and possibly earn large sums of
money if he would do what he does best which is to write fiction
stories and be honest/truthful that he is a fiction writer. Then
write children stories such as the re-known children author Jonathan
Rand of Michigan. Unlike Len McDougall there are numerous excellent
authors that have ties to Michigan such as Ernest Hemingway, Joseph
Hemingway, Jonathan Rand and others whose books are worth reading by
readers of all ages. Ever wonder where Len researched bear scat
information? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsCl0Ei5GjM
robert bowman
> Why else would people write such great reviews??
http://www.amazon.com/Field-Stream-Wilderness-Survival-Handbook/dp/1585743569
"Cheanne Chellis fails to mention that she some how connected to the
Author's business and is his friend. All her other book reviews give
glowing recommendations for Len's books. I find Len's writings amateurist
at best."
Strabo
I like the komodo dragon reference. Would definitely stump me!
>
> Since I started reading Usenet I am getting better at identifying bull shit
> :-)
>
As a long time NG party-goer, you qualify as a certified expert in
bull shit!