NAET
Iweber
I received an e-mail message from some anonymous person chastizing me for
using this newsgroup to express my skepticism of NAET and its application for
the control of asthma. It appears it is OK to use the newsgroup to promote
NAET, but not to doubt its value.
This unknown person had the courage to e-mail me directly, but did not
have the courage to sign his/her name.
Israel Weber
Israel Weber
Iwe...@aol.com
sunn...@my-dejanews.com
their asthma as they cling to the meme of Asthmatics Anonymous.
It has been my observation that there are two type of asthma
personalities: those who cannot conceptualize themselves
outside the domain of asthma and those who can and do.
I've since found hundreds of folks who tired of playing
ashtmatic and found the means to cure themselves.
There's alway those caught in the middle who always fail
"trying".
To be skeptical of any part of asthma paradigm is a threat
to some.
Health to all who want it.
SunnBear
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http://www.scn.org/fremont/acu/naet--allergies.html
NAET stands for Nambudripad's Allergy Elimination Technique,
as discovered by Dr. Devi Nambudripad of Buena Park, California.
This treatment essentially reprograms the brain, so that what was
perceived as an allergen by the brain is no longer perceived to be so.
When this is achieved, one is no longer allergic to the item one was
treated for.
One can be allergic to absolutely anything, and any allergy is treatable.
Allergies can cause an enormous variety of symptoms, and can even
mimic an array of serious disorders. Left untreated, allergies tend to
get worse. People may manifest more allergic reactions over time,
to things they had not previously reacted to.
Traditional Chinese Medicine and Auriculotherapy can also be used to treat
allergies, by treating the symptoms, and the underlying constitutional
imbalance that allows the allergen to have such an impact on one's health;
however, one remains allergic. With NAET, the person is no longer allergic,
or the allergy is drastically reduced. With the elimination of allergies,
ones' overall health is improved. Symptoms clear up that no one ever guessed
were due to allergies, and stubborn problems which had not responded to other
kinds of treatment can be relieved.
Allergies can affect one's well-being at many different levels, including
physical, emotional, and psychological. Allergies can have a serious
impact on one's quality of life. As our environment becomes increasingly
toxic, our resistance is lowered and we react more to toxins in our
surroundings. When new synthetic chemicals are introduced to our
environment, we respond with allergies to match. Allergies can be at
the root of fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, repetitive stress injury,
and a vast array of other complaints.
For more information, visit Dr. Nambudripad's site, which includes lists of
practitioners by state, and read Say Goodbye to Illness by Dr. Devi
Nambudripad. There is a detailed article about Dr. Nambudripad's work on the
web. To order her books, or for a referral to a practitioner i n your area,
visit her site listed above, or call her office at: (714)523-2933.
Another excellent source of information is the book, Winning the War
Against Asthma & Allergies by Ellen W. Cutler, D.C. The accompanying
web site has a wealth of information, which also includes a list of N.A.E.T.
practitioners worldwide.
There is a technique based on NAET that you can learn to do yourself.
It's called TAT. The TAT site is maintained by Tapas Fleming, L.Ac.
Colin Campbell
>
> I received an e-mail message from some anonymous person chastizing me for
>using this newsgroup to express my skepticism of NAET and its application for
>the control of asthma. It appears it is OK to use the newsgroup to promote
>NAET, but not to doubt its value.
> This unknown person had the courage to e-mail me directly, but did not
>have the courage to sign his/her name.
I get this a lot. Alternative medicine relies on the power of belief.
People tend to get defensive when something is part of a belief
system.
Colin Campbell
>NAET stands for Nambudripad's Allergy Elimination Technique,
>as discovered by Dr. Devi Nambudripad of Buena Park, California.
>This treatment essentially reprograms the brain, so that what was
>perceived as an allergen by the brain is no longer perceived to be so.
>When this is achieved, one is no longer allergic to the item one was
>treated for.
Of course this is an indication that the proponents haven't a clue as
to what they are talking about. Reprogamming the brain will do
nothing for atopic disease.
This is almost similar to the morons who claim that asthma is "all in
your head."
The best way to avoid quacks is to learn about what asthma is and how
the immune system functions. If the people are obviously clueless (as
is evidenced by the text above) they can only fool those who have not
bothered to educate themselves.
Diane/Jim B
<19981117083605...@ngol02.aol.com>...
>
> I received an e-mail message from some anonymous person chastizing
me for
> using this newsgroup to express my skepticism of NAET and its application
for
> the control of asthma. It appears it is OK to use the newsgroup to
promote
> NAET, but not to doubt its value.
> This unknown person had the courage to e-mail me directly, but did
not
> have the courage to sign his/her name.
>
As this is an unmoderated open group, we are all free to say whatever we
want. Of course when one says something (on NAET or anything else) one runs
the risk that others will disagree.
BTW, what difference does it make if they included their name or not? Many
folks don't use a sig, just their email address.
..diane
Chris King
<ccam...@jps.net> writes
>I get this a lot. Alternative medicine relies on the power of belief.
>
>
>People tend to get defensive when something is part of a belief
>system.
And spammers get OFFensive, when their belief that they have a divine
right to flood this group (and others) with junk is challenged...
Chris
--
Chris King
ch...@csking.demon.co.uk
http://www.csking.demon.co.uk
sunn...@my-dejanews.com
Most folks who are looking at alternatives are seeking quick fixes.
That's not alternative medicine. That's the same as allopathic pill
popping and inhaler snorting.
What is necessary is to evaluate what you're doing that might be
causing your dis-ease. The body had the capacity to adapt to a wide
range of stress, even when genetically inclined to be weak in certain
areas. The body can compensate....
Or you can continue to do as you are and take medication and hope
that it does not upset the balance too much in the near distant future.
SunnBear
In article <3652431d...@news.jps.net>,
ccam...@pacbell.net wrote:
> On 17 Nov 1998 13:36:05 GMT, iwe...@aol.com (Iweber) wrote:
>
> >
> > I received an e-mail message from some anonymous person chastizing me
for
> >using this newsgroup to express my skepticism of NAET and its application for
> >the control of asthma. It appears it is OK to use the newsgroup to promote
> >NAET, but not to doubt its value.
> > This unknown person had the courage to e-mail me directly, but did not
> >have the courage to sign his/her name.
>
> I get this a lot. Alternative medicine relies on the power of belief.
>
> People tend to get defensive when something is part of a belief
> system.
>
>
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is and follow that blindly while parking your car in your house
along with storing toxic chemical (non-foods); wall to wall carpeting,
plush furniture; wear clothing that cannot be cleaned; avoid
sensible sanitation; eat finger food; etc...
Part of the "it's all in your mind" is your entire meme-set. Much
of our modern lifestyle is far worse than such quackery.
There is no quick fix. NAET could be part of a useful tool-set.
When I was on asthma medication, I learned to control the symptoms.
Unfortunately, the medication had too many side effects I could not
control. But I decided I would control as much as I reasonably could.
SunnBear
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I've asked for more details.
SB
~~~
Life never has coincidences does it? The acupuncturist I began to work for
about the time I joined this list uses NAET on his patients. The technique
sounds strange, but seems to get good results. I've spoken with the patients
who've been treated for allergies and have had many health problems cleared
up. Eileen Cutler also has another book, "Winning the War Against Immune
Disorders and Allergies", stating her belief that immune system diseases are
also the result of long-term allergies. Which makes sense - allergies are an
overreaction by the body's immune system. Fascinating ideas, I'll have to
check out the Tapas Technique, too.
~~~~
Colin Campbell
>The best way to adapt is to believe what the current medical opinion
>is and follow that blindly while parking your car in your house
>along with storing toxic chemical (non-foods); wall to wall carpeting,
>plush furniture; wear clothing that cannot be cleaned; avoid
>sensible sanitation; eat finger food; etc...
Actually it is better to educate yourself in what is known to be
factual. Once you have a sound basis for understanding what asthma is
and how it works, then you can evaluate the potential effectiveness of
a treatment.
If the proponents of a treatment do not understand what asthma is and
how the immune system functions - what are the chances of them
discovering an effective treatment?
Remember "Garbage in equals garbage out."
>
>Part of the "it's all in your mind" is your entire meme-set. Much
>of our modern lifestyle is far worse than such quackery.
The problem with describing things as 'memes' is that this fails to
distinguish between facts and opinions.
>
>There is no quick fix. NAET could be part of a useful tool-set.
Actually, since it starts from a flawed premise, uses a stage
magician's trick as a diagnostic tool (I can produce any result I
desire), and has never been tested to see if it works, leads to the
conclusion that this is at best a flawed tool that may cause more harm
than good.
Colin Campbell
>I just received the following post on another list discussing NAET.
>I've asked for more details.
>
>SB
>
>~~~
>
>Life never has coincidences does it? The acupuncturist I began to work for
>about the time I joined this list uses NAET on his patients. The technique
>sounds strange, but seems to get good results. I've spoken with the patients
>who've been treated for allergies and have had many health problems cleared
>up.
The problem is that it 'seems' to get good results. Notice that the
proponents cannot quantify those results using objective criteria?
>Eileen Cutler also has another book, "Winning the War Against Immune
>Disorders and Allergies", stating her belief that immune system diseases are
>also the result of long-term allergies.
Ms. Cutler also believes that people can be allergic to another
persons "energy field". Since these "energy fields" cannot be
detected (either directly nor indirectly) we need to be somewhat
concerned as to whether her opinions have a factual basis or are
merely belief.
Most of alternative medicine is based on beliefs rather than facts.
This is why the advent of scientific medicine had such a dramatic
effect on peoples health.
Kin Hoong CHUNG
: Iweber <iwe...@aol.com> wrote in article
: <19981117083605...@ngol02.aol.com>...
:>
:> I received an e-mail message from some anonymous person chastizing me for
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
:> using this newsgroup to express my skepticism of NAET and its application
:> for the control of asthma. It appears it is OK to use the newsgroup to
:> promote NAET, but not to doubt its value.
:>
:> This unknown person had the courage to e-mail me directly, but did not
:> have the courage to sign his/her name.
: As this is an unmoderated open group, we are all free to say whatever we
: want. Of course when one says something (on NAET or anything else) one runs
: the risk that others will disagree.
This is not the complaint. The complaint is the anonymous use of e-mail
to attempt to silence opposition. Note also, that although this group is
unmoderated, USENET has traditionally had an etiquette about participation
in a newsgroup---one does not, for example, discuss the flavour of chocolate
in alt.support.asthma.
: BTW, what difference does it make if they included their name or not? Many
: folks don't use a sig, just their email address.
Forged mail has always been regarded as a serious thing on the Internet.
Forged mail for the purposes of harassment is a very serious matter.
Yours sincerely,
Kin Hoong
sunn...@my-dejanews.com
ccam...@pacbell.net wrote:
>
> Actually it is better to educate yourself in what is known to be
> factual. Once you have a sound basis for understanding what asthma is
> and how it works, then you can evaluate the potential effectiveness of
> a treatment.
Exactly. But the education alone won't effect cure. Cure won't
occur if it is not in the paradigm.
>
> If the proponents of a treatment do not understand what asthma is and
> how the immune system functions - what are the chances of them
> discovering an effective treatment?
True. I understand the credentials of those whose methods I support.
What are your own to discount that of others?
>
> Remember "Garbage in equals garbage out."
My point exactly. Our current paradigm is filled with garbage.
> >There is no quick fix. NAET could be part of a useful tool-set.
>
> Actually, since it starts from a flawed premise, uses a stage
> magician's trick as a diagnostic tool (I can produce any result I
> desire), and has never been tested to see if it works, leads to the
> conclusion that this is at best a flawed tool that may cause more harm
> than good.
What's the flawed premise?
What's the stage magician's trick?
What are your qualifications to make those judgments?
You've not supported a single statement with fact.
All you are saying is:
"something that starts with a flawed premise
and uses a stage magician's trick
is at best a flawed tool"
You make the remarks juxtaposed as if it references NAET
without substantiating your claim.
You are making a misleading assumption
based on nothing of substance.
Explain what you mean.
Regards,
Ernie
sunn...@my-dejanews.com
responsible for developing, executing and monitoring product
testing and standards compliance as well as design compliance,
I am ever seeking hard evidence.
I never recommend anything I've not tested myself nor medications
and treatment modalities and methods I've not used myself and/or
ingested myself.
Furthermore, I don't discount anything I've not investigated myself
in considerable detail.
I can also assure you that modern allopathic medicine is based on
as much belief (consensual meme) as most anything else.
As a theoretical physicist familiar with string (M-theory), I'm
not too concerned about loose definitions of energy since except
for description of experiment, no science has much of a grasp
of the mechanics of reality or can define energy with any precision.
Obviously, everything has some sort of energy field and quite
obviously everything is influenced by it, especially in proximity.
Is it merely gravity? Bioelectric? Electromagnetic? What?
Here we even do EMI testing for electromagnetic radiation to insure
our equipment does not exceed levels following compliance with
FCC, CSA, EN, CISPR, VDE and other regulations for both E fields
and M fields. Our equipment uses an M field to track and visually
display the movement of a catheter in a 3 D model of the patient's
heart so we also measure H fields low impedence waves... All of
this is also measured and verified independently.
All new science begins as an alternative to consensus. Does it not?
Regards,
Ernie
~~~~~~~~~~
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Diane/Jim B
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> Diane/Jim B <djb...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> : Iweber <iwe...@aol.com> wrote in article
> : <19981117083605...@ngol02.aol.com>...
> :>
> :> I received an e-mail message from some anonymous person chastizing me
for
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> :> using this newsgroup to express my skepticism of NAET and its
application
> :> for the control of asthma. It appears it is OK to use the newsgroup
to
> :> promote NAET, but not to doubt its value.
> :>
> :> This unknown person had the courage to e-mail me directly, but did not
> :> have the courage to sign his/her name.
>
> : As this is an unmoderated open group, we are all free to say whatever
we
> : want. Of course when one says something (on NAET or anything else) one
runs
> : the risk that others will disagree.
>
> This is not the complaint. The complaint is the anonymous use of e-mail
> to attempt to silence opposition.
He had more than one complaint, as evidenced by what he wrote. Email is
basically anonymous by nature...who knows what a person's *real* name is?
How do you know that the email was an attempt to silence opposition...did
you read it? He only said it chastized him. He has the choice of doing what
he wants, as we all do. Should we regard any messages/comments opposing and
disagreeing with us as attempts to silence us. If so, then that occurs
continually on any ng and in any discussion. It is our choice whether we
allow ourselves to be influenced or bullied.
> Note also, that although this group is
> unmoderated, USENET has traditionally had an etiquette about
participation
> in a newsgroup---one does not, for example, discuss the flavour of
chocolate
> in alt.support.asthma.
Of course netiquette is appropriate and is considered as such...that is why
I didn't bother to mention it. I was addressing only his point of being
able to disagree.
> : BTW, what difference does it make if they included their name or not?
Many
> : folks don't use a sig, just their email address.
>
> Forged mail has always been regarded as a serious thing on the Internet.
> Forged mail for the purposes of harassment is a very serious matter.
He doesn't mention that the message was forged, only that it wasn't signed.
Many folks don't sign their messages...that is not forgery, nor is it
harassment.
Harassment is a serious matter. The difficulty is that there are various
perceptions of what harassment is. Receiving unsolicited email is
considered harassment by some, a nuisance by others. I gather that is what
occurred here...he received an unsolicited email which disagreed with him.
He's entitled to his view/opinion as are others. If he views the message as
harrassment then he can take the appropriate measures of contacting the
sending ISP.
..diane
hacky
You weren't by any chance one of the scientists involved in the
development of cold fusion, were you? Or perhaps a social
deconstructionist posing as a physicist?
CBI
stipulate that if you want. I would also stipulate that one's field may have
some effects on other people. My concern is with the developing and selling
of a theory about these fields. If you can't observe the field how do you
determine, and more importantly manipulate, the effects.
It would be impossible to determine anything meaningful about these
theories. Anytime people start talking about things that can't be measured
or tested it has to be considered dubious at best. How could the initial
observations be made ? How was the theory developed and refined.
Strings can't be measured but the theory does make predictions that can.
What predictions does this person make that would allow the theory to be
tested ? None, just buy the book. My theory is that dishonest people will
frequently be able to take advantage of the clouded judgments and suspended
systems of disbelief of desperate people.
--
Good Luck,
CBI, M.D.
powe...@msn.com
R. BROCK PRONKO
Chris King <ch...@csking.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
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> >People tend to get defensive when something is part of a belief
> >system.
True, physicians and other empiricists are often too quick to dismiss the
importance of belief in the process of healing and ironically close their
minds to such ideas because of their own narrow belief system (the medical
model of disease). Belief as a factor in healing not only applies to
alternative medicine but conventional meds as well, and even to the "faith"
one has in his physician. The importance of these relationships has been
shown in studies. To learn more about belief in healing and/or managing
diseases, including asthma, check out Timeless Healing: The Power and
Biology of Belief by Herbert Benson, M.D. Benson has been researching the
field of mind/body science for over 25 years and is known for his discovery
of the "relaxation response." Check it out, THEN decide what you believe.
bRoCk