OT Interesting read
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
in here, and I'm really tired of it too, but can someone try to convince me
again why the Democrats are SO BAD for our country? I'm not sure I
understand.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008/10/14/opinion/20081014_OPCHART.html
arnold
Very interesting. Every Republican in the country should be required to
read this.
arnold
How about this one:
A GPS reading on where we are in the political landscape
The Fox News poll numbers:
Obama Job Approval:
60% Approve, 26% Disapprove
Congressional Job Approval
All: 39% Approve, 50% Disapprove
Dems: 46% approve, 45% disapprove
Reps: 34% approve, 56% disapprove
Obama Favorable Rating
68% Favorable, 25% Unfavorable
How confident are you that the new Obama administration will be able to
make significant positive change for the country?
64% Confident, 33% not confident
That 34 percent approval rating for congressional Republicans is
interesting for a lot of reasons, but mainly because you see that number
so often. This question and others as well, including President Bush’s
approval rating and the question above about Obama’s ability to make
positive change, are basically just different ways to identify the GOP
base. It’s roughly about a third of the voting public.
And their problem, which they clearly haven’t solved, is how to grow
beyond that number. Right now the Republicans in Congress are just
playing to that 34 percent, rebuilding support within the base but
meanwhile alienating most other voters.
A couple of other related numbers, the most recent I could find of this
sort:
Diageo/Hotline Poll Jan. 21-24, 2009
.
“Thinking about the next elections for U.S. Congress in 2010, if the
elections for U.S. Congress were held today, would you be voting for the
Democratic candidate or the Republican candidate?” Options rotated
.
Democrat Republican Neither (vol.) Unsure
% % % %
1/21-24/09
46 22 5 27
CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll. Jan. 12-15, 2009
.
“Do you think the country would be better off if the Republicans
controlled Congress, or if the Democrats controlled Congress?”
.
Democrats Republicans Neither (vol.) Same
(vol.) Unsure
% % % % %
1/12-15/09
56 31 10 3 1
Jay Bookman
A GPS reading on where we are in the political landscape
9:00 am February 21, 2009, by Jay
The Fox News poll numbers:
Obama Job Approval:
60% Approve, 26% Disapprove
Congressional Job Approval
All: 39% Approve, 50% Disapprove
Dems: 46% approve, 45% disapprove
Reps: 34% approve, 56% disapprove
Obama Favorable Rating
68% Favorable, 25% Unfavorable
How confident are you that the new Obama administration will be able to
make significant positive change for the country?
64% Confident, 33% not confident
That 34 percent approval rating for congressional Republicans is
interesting for a lot of reasons, but mainly because you see that number
so often. This question and others as well, including President Bush’s
approval rating and the question above about Obama’s ability to make
positive change, are basically just different ways to identify the GOP
base. It’s roughly about a third of the voting public.
And their problem, which they clearly haven’t solved, is how to grow
beyond that number. Right now the Republicans in Congress are just
playing to that 34 percent, rebuilding support within the base but
meanwhile alienating most other voters.
A couple of other related numbers, the most recent I could find of this
sort:
Diageo/Hotline Poll Jan. 21-24, 2009
.
“Thinking about the next elections for U.S. Congress in 2010, if the
elections for U.S. Congress were held today, would you be voting for the
Democratic candidate or the Republican candidate?” Options rotated
.
Democrat Republican Neither (vol.) Unsure
% % % %
1/21-24/09
46 22 5 27
CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll. Jan. 12-15, 2009
.
“Do you think the country would be better off if the Republicans
controlled Congress, or if the Democrats controlled Congress?”
.
Democrats Republicans Neither (vol.) Same
(vol.) Unsure
% % % % %
1/12-15/09
56 31 10 3 1
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Sadly, if indeed the economy does turn around and the country does begin to
prosper under this administration, I don't believe some republicans will be
able to give credit where it's due. There's so much hatred right now, it's
ridiculous.
g b
OT Interesting read
Group: alt.sports.football.pro.tampabay-bucs Date: Sun, Feb 22, 2009,
5:19pm From: quarr...@bellsouth.net (Dr. Winston O'Boogie)
I know that some in here don't like all the political bashing that goes
on in here, and I'm really tired of it too, but can someone try to
convince me again why the Democrats are SO BAD for our country? I'm not
sure I understand.
gb: I an thinking a lot of the repub banter is "damage control". As long
as they rant about things the more they distract from their losses and
failures. They just cannot wait to see Obama in the same shoes as Bush
was.
And they are so afraid they may not get any $$ themselves. Thank God I
hope I never need it and would very much more want to "give" than to
"receive" in this case.
Some look at it as though the poor are going to get their home mortgages
paid in full no strings attached. As I understand it - they will be
getting help in refinancing etc but will still have to pay the mortgage
--- now or later -- loans are nor gifts.
Ron Gibson
<quarr...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>able to give credit where it's due. There's so much hatred right now, it's
>ridiculous.
These are dangerous times. Times like these are fermenting grounds for
hate groups, etc. The depression years help fuel the Nazi movement in
Germany.
People are going to look for scapegoats to vent their frustration on.
It's a sad phenomena but oh well...
--
Email - rsgi...@tampabay.rr.borg
Replace borg with com
"Ubuntu" - an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".
james
<rsgi...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
|On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:24:10 -0500, "Dr. Winston O'Boogie"
|<quarr...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
|
|>able to give credit where it's due. There's so much hatred right now, it's
|>ridiculous.
|
|These are dangerous times. Times like these are fermenting grounds for
|hate groups, etc. The depression years help fuel the Nazi movement in
|Germany.
|
|People are going to look for scapegoats to vent their frustration on.
|It's a sad phenomena but oh well...
|==============
People will look for someone to provide them hope. Hitler did that in
1930's Germany. He dified the British and US madates from WWI and
fostered a wave of nationalism that flurished. He managed to convince
most that it was the Western powers that made Germany a defeated and
empoverished nation.
Could the same happen here? Yes it could. Given the right conditions.
james
Ron Gibson
wrote:
>People will look for someone to provide them hope. Hitler did that in
>1930's Germany. He dified the British and US madates from WWI and
>fostered a wave of nationalism that flurished. He managed to convince
>most that it was the Western powers that made Germany a defeated and
>empoverished nation.
>Could the same happen here? Yes it could. Given the right conditions.
I don't think we'll see a resurgence in the Nazi party but some sort
of irrational hate group could arise.
Oddly enough right now the Wall Street types might end up a scapegoat
and the target of attacks.
arnold
> On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 21:23:46 -0500, james <geo...@washington.edu> wrote:
>
>>People will look for someone to provide them hope. Hitler did that in
>>1930's Germany. He dified the British and US madates from WWI and
>>fostered a wave of nationalism that flurished. He managed to convince
>>most that it was the Western powers that made Germany a defeated and
>>empoverished nation.
>
>>Could the same happen here? Yes it could. Given the right conditions.
>
> I don't think we'll see a resurgence in the Nazi party but some sort of
> irrational hate group could arise.
>
> Oddly enough right now the Wall Street types might end up a scapegoat
> and the target of attacks.
I think you've both nailed it. However, don't forget the immigrants. If
we start building infrastructure, the immigrants will return for work and
will give a reason to be scapegoated (new word?).
BTW, many of the immigrants have gone back home recently. There is a
noticeable lack of numbers in the Georgia school systems this year and in
the lack of business that catered to them.
Ron Gibson
>BTW, many of the immigrants have gone back home recently. There is a
>noticeable lack of numbers in the Georgia school systems this year and in
>the lack of business that catered to them.
Yep, last year had the smallest net increase in years. It's giving as
net because some are coming in by droves are actually returning.
One of my grandfathers had to pick oranges during the great
depression, BTW. The other bought 100 acres in Plant City for $600 and
had 11 kids to use as "farmhands".
IOW they literally lived off the land and did pretty good considering.
That option won't be available (return to agrarian life) in this
depression. No land is available in this modern era.
bucs...@gmail.com
interesting to naive,gullible morons maybe....geeeze!
consider the source..."figures don't lie...but liars will figure...
bucs...@gmail.com
read this<<<
you have got to be one of the most naive and gullible
individuals...geeze...get a clue already...!
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
You have got to be talking about yourself, right?
bucs...@gmail.com
do you lay awake at night coming up with these gems? LMFAO....!
"damage control" OMFG...! "damage control" do you have any clue how
fucking funny that is?
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Any more cliches you want to throw out there?
g b
Re: OT Interesting read
Group: alt.sports.football.pro.tampabay-bucs Date: Mon, Feb 23, 2009,
6:33am (EST-3) From: bucs...@gmail.com
LMAO!
interesting to naive,gullible morons maybe....geeeze!
consider the source..."figures don't lie...but liars will figure...
gb: Aw, Gee, Shucks - good of you to even associate with us.
bucs...@gmail.com
No, those two sum up the (complete lack of) credibility of the
nytimes...
Rob
"Dr. Winston O'Boogie" <quarr...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:D9kol.7400$b9....@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
Lets see how the market has done sense 1928 when you compare Democrat or
Republican controlled house and Senate. And we all know who's in charge of
the money...don't we?
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l279/bucfan11/saupload_bk1_resize.jpg
g b
Re: OT Interesting read
Group: alt.sports.football.pro.tampabay-bucs Date: Mon, Feb 23, 2009,
bucs...@gmail.com wrote:
gb: Yeah, O'Boogie -- if he does any more LMAO there will not be
anything left of him. :-)
Phonedude
"arnold" <arn...@nto.com> wrote in message
news:853d$49a1e79c$62126557$14...@ALLTEL.NET...
If you require Republicans to read the NY Time, then, in all fairness,
Democrats should be forced to listen to Rush Limbaugh. Really. It's that
bad. The NY Times is the official spokesorganization of the Democrat Party.
So anything you see there will, of course, reflect well on Democrats and
poorly on Republicans. This is a major cause of the decline, and loss of
respect, of the newspaper industry as a whole.
PD
Phonedude
Here's the bottom line. As a die-hard Republican, who sincerely believes
that Pelosi and Reid spell doom for America, and who is still waiting on
Obama to do something so I can form an opinion, I will will simply not vote
in the next election unless the Republicans change their tune. All they're
doing right now is whining about Obama, Pelosi, and Reid and not offering
any leadership or direction as an alternative. I am disgusted with the
current Republican leadership (if you can even call it leadership) and and
pretty much fed up with the Party as a whole. On the other hand, I would
saw off both hands with a broken nail file before voting for the current
crop of Democrats. So I am faced with disgust on the one side and utter
terror on the other. We're doomed. Doomed.
Where is the Republican leader who will pull us out of this morass? Where
is the visionary who will offer an alternative to whining? Where is a
conservative with an actual plan who can acutally communicate his or her
plan without couching it in terms of hatred for the Democrats.
I am without hope. The United States is doomed as a nation.
PD
Phonedude
"james" <geo...@washington.edu> wrote in message
news:as14q4duc88k40se3...@4ax.com...
I nominate Ron Gibson as the Anti-Christ!!
PD
Ron Gibson
wrote:
>Where is the Republican leader who will pull us out of this morass? Where
>is the visionary who will offer an alternative to whining? Where is a
>conservative with an actual plan who can acutally communicate his or her
>plan without couching it in terms of hatred for the Democrats.
Damn I'm proud of you PD and I do agree especially about Pelosi and
the need for a contrary voice but a rational voice capable of
independent and hopefully fresh ideas. This brings out the best in our
form of democracy.
>I am without hope. The United States is doomed as a nation.
Try to keep the faith. Our plight is like this...
Whose woods these are I think I know.
His house is in the village, though;
He will not see me stopping here
To watch his woods fill up with snow.
My little horse must think it queer
To stop without a farmhouse near
Between the woods and frozen lake
The darkest evening of the year.
He gives his harness bells a shake
To ask if there is some mistake.
The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.
The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.
Ron Gibson
wrote:
>I nominate Ron Gibson as the Anti-Christ!!
Uh, do I get a company car and an expense account :-)
g b
Re: OT Interesting read
Group: alt.sports.football.pro.tampabay-bucs Date: Tue, Feb 24, 2009,
7:26pm From: fone...@verizon.net (Phonedude)
gb: PD - what an idiotic statement to make. I have a few opinions about
my treatments at Beggins too, and fom the guy at the top.
g b
Re: OT Interesting read
Group: alt.sports.football.pro.tampabay-bucs Date: Tue, Feb 24, 2009,
gb: I do not call Rush Limbaugh, a sober, rational, intelligent person.
Lindsay Graham, on your side, has much more respect, intelligence ana
ability.
Others may too, but this guy is my best bet on the repub side.
bucs...@gmail.com
is the visionary who will offer an alternative to whining? Where is
a
conservative with an actual plan who can acutally communicate his or
her
plan without couching it in terms of hatred for the Democrats.<<<
For one thing this is not the time or the place for strong GOP leaders
to mak any type of aggressive moves to the front of the pack...
Also since the democrats control the WH and both houses of
congress...nor is the time to try and usurp any limelight from them
(democrats, they are plenty capable of screwing up even further on
their own)
The GOP will become the new Phoenix and leaders with true insight will
emerge (lord knows that if throwing all those $trillions at the
problems doesn't work we're going to need them)... True leaders like
Meg Whitman...who has actually accomplished great things as a highly
experienced executive...and there are others that will step up and
rise from the ashes and emerge from the private sector where they have
proven their leadership capabilities and business (not political)
savvy...not some flash in the pan media "Golden Boy" who without the
crowds and without the teleprompter looks like a deer in the
headlights...!
It only took 4 years (actually 2) from the time that GWB won his
second term until he became the most despised president (by the
ignorant masses) maybe ever...
so don't think things can't change in a hurry...sooner or later
obama's experience (or lack there of) is going to surface...people
will begin to realize that just because they hear what they want in a
big deep booming voice...that they are only words and just saying them
does not make it so...
arnold
>
> If you require Republicans to read the NY Time, then, in all fairness,
> Democrats should be forced to listen to Rush Limbaugh. Really. It's
> that bad. The NY Times is the official spokesorganization of the
> Democrat Party. So anything you see there will, of course, reflect well
> on Democrats and poorly on Republicans. This is a major cause of the
> decline, and loss of respect, of the newspaper industry as a whole.
>
> PD
Attacking the messenger proves nothing. Use some thought and go after the
basis for the conclusions reached in the article. Be able to refute the
thesis.
I'm sure you've heard the expression, "Opinions are like assholes.
Everyone has one and they all stink". Mine, yours, everyone's are
worthless unless we can substantiate the conclusions. Unless the numbers
in the opinion piece are wrong, I'll stand by the conclusion until you
prove them wrong.
BTW, the NY Times and the Washington Post, reputed to be liberal
newspapers, have a large number of conservative columnists to offset some
of the liberal editorials. I read both papers daily and that includes the
various right and left wing columnists. Try it, you get a better
education by reading a variety of well thought out opinions as opposed to
pontificating on this newsgroup. :-) I've learned more by listening than
by talking.
--
arnold
Chuck
lets see...I thought the "same old, same old" politics was supposed to be a
thing of the past with obama....but so far all we have see is MORE OF THE
SAME (just a different agenda)...!
I thought "the lying" was supposed to stop? well so far both obama and his
chief of staff have blatantly lied to the American public by stating that
they have "passed bills" without earmarks....this is pure 100% BULLSHIT...
Obama said his presidency would mean the end of wasteful spending....HOLY
COW he better get his blinders back on for the next big spending bill the
democrats are cooking up now...(hehehe) with his earmark blinders on will
obama try and railroad this bill through too with more threats of gloom and
doom if they don't rush it through without even reading it?
if you take the money that the democrats are spending in their convoluted
attempts to "stimulate" the economy ....THAT SAME MONEY would be enough to
give every man, woman and child in the United States $52,000.00 dollars...or
$5,200.00 every year for the next TEN TEARS...!
Now just think about what would happen if they took half that amount and put
it into STRICTLY infrastructure and other job creating measures...and the
rest in cash to ALL Americans...?
As far as o-bomb-a's plan to tax only the rich....hehehe...I got news for
him, that is going to backfire right in his face.... not only is he going to
be taxing THE ONLY people that are capable of growing the business economy
and creating jobs in the private sector...o-bomb-a is going to find out the
hard way that being American also means being somewhat spiteful...people and
businesses making over the $250,000 "line in the sand" are not going to put
up with supporting o-bomb-a's bailout (loaded with earmark) packages all by
themselves...!...I have heard that there will be so many folks taking 4 year
hiatuses that o-bomb-a is going to have to backtrack and can a bunch of the
already passed spending measures just to keep the gov. liquid...speaking of
which...so far o-bomb-a's tactics have been as effective as taking water
from the shallow end of the pool and dumping into the deep end trying to
make it deeper...!
one more thing...o-bomb-a (who, without the crowds and teleprompter looks
like a deer in headlights) keeps saying that he is "doing what the people
elected him to do"....I would be willing to bet a good deal of money (gold)
that a major portion of the electorate that voted for o-bomb-a NEVER read
the first word of his platform!...he acts like every voter that went to his
web site to donate money etc...also supported his politics...bologna! the
majority of the voters voted for him mainly because they believed the
"change" bullshit (brainwashed by the mainstream media) and the fact they
had an articulate speaker that could defeat the Republicans...
g b
Re: OT Interesting read
Group: alt.sports.football.pro.tampabay-bucs Date: Mon, Mar 2, 2009,
11:16am From: ch...@potroast.net (Chuck)
gb: Here we go again. Have you ever figured the amount of money spent on
the Iraq war and the billions that went unaccounted for in Iraq that was
not in bushies budget???????