Racial Hate Group Activity on Increase in Calfifornia: 84 Groups in California: 66 in Texas the Next Highest State for Hate Groups
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By John Asbury The Press-Enterprise July 30, 2009
Fueled by anger over the economy, immigration and the election of
President Barack Obama, white supremacists have been increasing in
number in the Inland region and throughout California during the
past year, local and national experts say.
The Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate activity, reports
84 known hate groups in California. The No. 2 state, Texas, has 66.
About a dozen of those groups are in the Inland area, including
Riverside, Hemet, San Bernardino and Temecula, according to the
center.
In the past year, a new chapter of the National Socialist Movement
-- a sect of the largest neo-Nazi group in the country -- started
in Riverside, according to Riverside County sheriff's investigators
and the Anti-Defamation League. The group has not been tied to
criminal activity in the Inland area, authorities say.
"If you look at the election of the first black president and the
state of the economy being what it is today, with unemployment at
an all-time high, these types of things are kind of a perfect storm
for these feelings to foment and for white supremacists to feel
validated," said Joanna Mendelson, California investigative
researcher
for the Anti-Defamation League, a civil rights advocacy group.
In addition to concerns about membership going up, Inland agencies
are seeing a few of the groups become more sophisticated and violent,
developing criminal organizations that don't just target minorities
but are also branching into drugs and weapons trafficking. Those
activities are easier to conceal in remote regions like some parts
of the Inland area, said Mendelson and Inland authorities.
Statistics on hate crimes committed and charges filed remain limited.
The most recent state attorney general's office report was based
on crimes committed in 2007.
But Inland police and sheriff's investigators and national experts
point to a number of factors -- including recent violent attacks
and a rise in hate propaganda online -- as evidence that hate
activity is on the rise here.
Local law enforcement agencies are stepping up efforts to monitor
hate groups such as racist skinhead organizations, which commonly
adopt Aryan or new-Nazi beliefs and target people of certain races
and religions. The goal is to put violent offenders in prison and
stop criminal groups before they gain too much power.
For example, seven members of a Hemet skinhead group have been
arrested in the November beating of a Hispanic man, described by
Hemet police as backlash against Obama's election.
San Bernardino County authorities say they dismantled a large
skinhead organization this year that they suspect was involved in
multiple murders and assaults.
In addition to the skinhead and neo-Nazi groups on the Southern
Poverty Law Center's list of Inland Southern California hate groups,
the center includes a border security organization, an anti-gay
religious group and a black separatist group, which may be deemed
intolerant but are not linked to crime or violence.
Brian Levin, director of the Center for the Study of Hate and
Extremism at Cal State San Bernardino, said he believes the Inland
area has the largest number of hate groups in the United States.
"When you look at the sheer number of groups in the Inland Empire
to begin with, it is significant," he said.
BREEDING GROUND
Law enforcement officials say the Inland area follows the pattern
of other areas on the outskirts of larger cities, where hate groups
pop up amid a "white flight" migration out of cities and suburbs
that have become more developed and diverse.
"Southern California is a prime location for recruiting of white
supremacist gang members," Hemet police Detective Bob Nishida said.
"They're looking for the type of people with neo-Nazi beliefs, and
for this area, generally speaking, there's a lot of people with
those same beliefs."
Though most of California's skinheads are not affiliated with any
groups, the Inland area is an exception.
"Since the election, we've seen an increased drive for groups to
unite under one flag," said San Bernardino County sheriff's Deputy
Eric Ogaz.
In remote regions such as the High Desert, skinhead groups are more
frequently holding "unityfests" -- joint meetings between different
organizations to merge forces and have the potential to plan criminal
activity, he said.
Authorities see such rallies as an effort to become more violent
and instill fear into the community.
"It makes more sense for them to act as a unit," Ogaz said. "There's
a greater fight in a dog working in the sense of a pack."
This spring, San Bernardino County sheriff's deputies arrested seven
members of the Inland Empire Skins. The suspects were accused of
an October home invasion robbery and attempted murder in Hesperia,
and conspiracy to commit murder of a witness in San Jacinto.
The group, based in San Bernardino and Hesperia, originated in 2002.
Its members often have tattoos of swastikas and other symbols of
hate against blacks, Hispanics and homosexuals.
San Bernardino County Sheriff Rod Hoops said the department suspects
the group is responsible for numerous murders and assaults. The
Sheriff's Department also has linked the group to gun trafficking
to and from Riverside County.
While the Inland Empire Skins primarily target minorities, Ogaz
said, the October home invasion and attempted murder case targeted
another skinhead who was selling drugs. The organization is a
traditional sect of skinheads, where members believe in remaining
drug-free to keep their blood pure, and they will go after anyone
known to be using or selling drugs, Ogaz said.
The same day the suspects were arrested, April 20, two women in the
gang had arranged to give birth because it would have been Adolf
Hitler's 120th birthday, Ogaz said.
MOTIVATIONS FOR HATE
While black people remain the most frequent target of white
supremacists, experts say hatred of Hispanic immigrants is perhaps
their fastest-growing motivation, both locally and nationally.
"What we've been seeing is the growth driven by anti-immigrant
propaganda,"
said Mark Potok, director of intelligence projects for the Southern
Poverty Law Center.
The economic downturn also has played a role in drawing people to
white supremacist groups, Mendelson said. Two main scapegoats are
Hispanic immigrants, who are blamed for taking jobs, and Jews,
blamed for the banking collapse, she said.
The Riverside County district attorney's office classifies racist
skinhead organizations into two categories: those traditionally
focused on political ideology, and those that commit crimes more
like a street gang.
"There do seem to be more skinhead gangs with prison ties moving
into the Inland Empire," said Nikolaus Peterson, a Riverside County
deputy district attorney. "They're not as motivated by hate as much
as criminal control and dealing drugs."
Other skinheads are opposed to racism and criminal activity, he
said.
"You can't paint every shaved head with the same brush," Peterson
said.
Hollie Schrack, 24, of Big Bear City, is a member of C.O.O.R.S.
Family Skins, which stands for Comrades Of Our Racial Struggle.
She said her "racialist" beliefs are not about hating others but
about loving people of her own heritage.
"Other groups are allotted to have a significant amount of pride
and venues to idealize pride for their heritage," she said. "It's
sad -- we're not allowed to be proud of being white."
Schrack said she doesn't consider herself a white supremacist or
superior to other races, but she does discourage interracial
relationships.
Hemet police took notice of the C.O.O.R.S. gang last year following
an August stabbing of another white supremacist who did not want
to join the gang, Nishida said.
Schrack denies race played a factor in a beating that police say
C.O.O.R.S.
members committed.
A Hispanic man was beaten into a coma in Hemet in November. Four
members are charged with attacking the man while screaming "White
power," according to Hemet police.
C.O.O.R.S. members contend they were defending themselves after the
man broke into one of their cars.
On the group's Web site, which Schrack took down after the arrests,
the organization professed, "We hate with pure virtuous hatred,
anything or anyone that threatens Our way of life or attempts to
stand in the way of Our Racial preservation."
CRACKING DOWN
Local law enforcement has begun trying to crack down on many of the
white supremacist groups suspected of violent crimes and drug-trade
involvement.
Both the Riverside and San Bernardino county sheriff's departments
have gang task forces that track the white supremacists in addition
to other street gangs.
The Hemet Valley Gang Task Force has joined with the Riverside
County Sheriff's Department and district attorney's office to add
white supremacist groups to their gang-prevention program. Gang
officers are attempting to reach teens and their families to steer
them away from violence, said Nishida.
Since the C.O.O.R.S. arrests, the gang has been dormant, Nishida
said.
"It hasn't gone away; they seem to always come back," he said.
"There's a high chance they probably will."
Other than imprisoning group leaders and violent members, authorities
say, little can be done to stop hate groups from forming, or to
change their ideologies. If one group is dismantled, oftentimes
more quickly form.
Still, Inland law enforcement agents say they are trying to stop
the groups from gaining momentum by enforcement against smaller
crimes. The intention is that tracking groups and making arrests
will prevent larger conspiracies from being carried out.
"There's no such thing as a minor crime," Ogaz said. "If we don't
treat these aggressively, small crimes could fester and create
community-wide tension."
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Dave
"I ain't never goin back to that nigger-hating country." Stokely
Carmichael, in Morocco
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Hate is on the rise! monica charles has created a hate group right
here on Alt Native!
Bent Attorney Esq.
Other racial groups are free to practice all the hatred they want and
it is labled affirmative action.
skep...@aol.com
wrote:
> When white people wish to do well for their race they call it hate.
> Other racial groups are free to practice all the hatred they want and
> it is labled affirmative action.
Racismis prejudice plus power. That's because the dominant group
'Whites' has the the power to enforce their prejudice on non-Europeans.
Sizzle Flambé
> Racism is prejudice plus power.
rac⋅ism -noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various
human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually
involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right
to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such
a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
-- Random House Dictionary
rac⋅ism -noun
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or
ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
-- American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth
Edition
These definitions don't depend on *which* race is *committing* or
*enduring* the act.
skep...@aol.com
In the United States 'white pride' can only be backwards, chauvinistic
and oppressive. What is meant by 'white power' is that whites are
boss. Fuck that!
Sizzle Flambé
No argument there.
What is meant by "Whites are not human beings"?
<http://tinyurl.com/monica-charles-1>
Bent Attorney Esq.
What about 'black pride?' Is that OK?
Sizzle Flambé
wrote:
Hey, I already replied to your earlier post.
Now do I get *my* question answered or ignored?
Bent Attorney Esq.
You never replied to my post. What question do you wish answered?
Sizzle Flambé
WTF? I'm trading Qs-for-As with someone. If you're not that same
someone, don't jump into the middle of the trading session and disavow
all past trades. I'm owed an answer now, and I'm waiting; it's **my
turn** to get an answer; it's skepticl1's turn to *give* an answer to
the question I asked:
skep...@aol.com
wrote:
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Yes, Black pride and Black Power.
skep...@aol.com
Monica Charles is into Nationalism, her group above others. Communists
want to bring all people together and not put down people because of
their origins including not putting down people because of the
European origins. But Black people, Chicano people, Native Americans
are oppressed as a Nation. Here are some views on how to build up
oppressed peoples. Black people may need their own homeland away from
whites. Whites do not have the right to have their own homeland away
from others because whites make up the dominant group. Indians may
want a homeland.
PART 5. WHAT A NATION IS
Our Draft Programme upholds the right of self-determination of Black
people, who constitute an oppressed nation, to form a separate
republic (country) of their own in their historic homeland. It
emphasizes the importance of land, self-rule in the form of autonomy,
and equality of languages and cultures for other oppressed peoples,
especially Native Americans and Mexican-Americans. It also recognizes
the particular dynamics of the struggle in Hawai'i and special issues
of sovereignty and the right to self-rule in some form on the part of
indigenous Hawaiians.* It supports independence for Puerto Rico. And
it puts forth measures and policies to overcome discrimination and
inequality for all oppressed nationalities.
Now NAPO argues that the right to form a separate state applies not
just to Black people but to other oppressed peoples in the U.S. (NAPO
refers to African-Americans, Mexicanos, Native Americas, and
Hawaiians, etc.). Are all oppressed peoples and national groupings in
the U.S. nations with the right to self-determination? To be clear,
the right of self-determination of nations means not only the right of
an oppressed nation to determine its own affairs as a nation in
general but more particularly the right to form a separate state of
its own in its own homeland.
Marxism-Leninism-Maoism holds that whether a given community of people
is a nation, or something else, can only be determined by applying
objective criteria. A nation is a concrete historical phenomenon.
Whether a specific community of people constitutes a nation is not a
subjective determination. In other words, it is not that "what people
think they are...they are." People's consciousness certainly reflects
something about reality, but this is not the deciding criterion. A
nation is not a state of mind. Nor are a people a nation because they
could have developed into a nation, but particular historical factors
prevented this from happening. A nation is not a status that an
oppressed people, or its political representatives, can simply lay
claim to, if they so decide. A nation is a material fact.
A nation is a community of people formed on the basis of a common
territory, a common language, a common economic life, and a common
culture. The development of modern nations is linked to processes of
commodity production and the rise and spread of the capitalist mode of
production.
Nations are forged through a dynamic and complex process of
development, change, and transformation. Each experience has a certain
uniqueness. But what is important to emphasize in the discussion here
is this. The historical processes welding a people into a nation
result in an economic and social interconnectedness. These processes
result in an "internal cohesion" and degree of development that
provide the material basis to establish separate nation-states. If
there is not a material basis for a people to form an independent
state, then why argue that self-determination and independence are at
the core of their struggle?
We have to approach different national questions differently.
PART 6. ON THE COMMON FEATURES AND PARTICULARITIES OF THE NATIONAL
QUESTIONS IN THE U.S.
How do we understand the historical development that has shaped the
conditions of life and oppression of the various oppressed
nationalities the United States? On the one hand, they share common
features of oppression--violence and terror, discrimination,
segregation, and mutilation and debasement of cultures. On the other
hand, there is a distinctness to each of the "national questions" in
the U.S. Each of these peoples has a distinct history and a distinct
current situation--and careful analysis shows that for each the best
solution to their future liberation has distinct characteristics. Our
Draft Programme takes account of both the common features and the
particularities of the various national questions.
In this light, we can consider three different situations among
oppressed nationalities in the U.S.
Let's start with Black people. Through a distinct historical process,
African-Americans, were forged into a nation--"spread out over" and at
the same time "rooted in" the territory of the Black Belt (an area
that runs in an arc through 12 states of the South and is called the
Black Belt because of the color of the soil). African-Americans were
forged into an oppressed nation separate from and dominated by the
oppressor European-American nation. This process began in slave days,
but its turning point came following the Civil War. Stripped of their
rights and denied land after the reversal of Reconstruction, Black
people were transformed in their great majority into semi-feudal
sharecroppers.
Slavery was destroyed and an oppressive plantation-industrial system
developed in the South. On this new economic foundation, a process of
class differentiation gradually took place among Black people. Growing
numbers of Black people became laborers in mines, iron furnaces, and
tobacco factories. Increasing numbers of Black farmers began to
acquire their own land. In the segregated cities of the South,
professional and entrepreneurial classes slowly expanded (although
there was no Black elite of wealthy bankers and merchants, and the
vast majority of Black people in the cities were manual laborers).
What was occurring among Black people was the class differentiation
characteristic of a nation-- though it was distorted and stunted by
semi-feudal subjugation, repressive labor relations, and a structure
of enforced white supremacy.
The situation of Black people underwent further development in the
20th century. In great numbers, they were transformed from peasants
into urbanized proletarians. The 20th century saw two great waves of
migration out of the South. Today, as a people, African-Americans are
still subjected to national oppression (though it takes new forms).
And there remains a large concentration of Black people in the Black
Belt South: several million still live in the rural areas and millions
more live in the cities.
The common experience of oppression, and the fact that Black people
had been welded into a nation, with all the basic characteristics of a
nation, is why there continues to be the right of self-determination
for Black people. There exists a material-social and historic basis
for the creation of an independent Black Republic.
The Chicano people have a different path of development. We would
refer people to the discussion in our position paper, The Chicano
Struggle and Proletarian Revolution in the U.S. But to highlight
portions of that analysis relevant to this discussion:
"There is a distinct Chicano people, whose relationship to Mexico is
part of their defining characteristic. Chicanos have a culture that is
influenced and affected by Mexico, but is different from it. Their
heritage--and historic and present-day national oppression--continues
to infuse Chicanos with a common identity. But the make-up and
character of the Chicano population reflects this wide diversity of
its origins. Chicanos have different histories and roots and speak
different languages (Spanish and English and wonderful variations of
both). And, although Chicanos share a certain economic as well as
social history, this never has been on the level of a common economic
life--an economic life rooted in a common territory and "woven
together" throughout that territory--that is characteristic of
nation."
The position paper elaborates on this. When the U.S. seized the
territory of the Southwest from Mexico, the level of integration among
the Mexican settlements there and their level of economic development
were not sufficient to give rise to their own development into a
nation. The oppression of the Mexicans in the Southwest forged them
into a distinct oppressed people (a national minority) within the
U.S., but a separate Chicano nation never came into being. Today, the
majority of Chicanos have their origins not in the Southwest but in
Mexico.
There's another important factor in understanding the Southwest. The
history of the Southwest is also a complex history of the Navajo,
Hopi, Pueblo, and other Indian peoples with distinct historical
experiences.
Our Programme upholds the right of the Chicano masses to land denied
them and the right to self- government in large areas of the
Southwest. It also recognizes the land and territorial rights of the
various Native American peoples who populate the region, and makes
clear that proletarian revolution must also recognize that Mexico has
rights and claims in this region. All this must be addressed according
to revolutionary principles.
It is clear that the problem cannot be simply solved by each of these
peoples declaring independence in these territories--where there are
complex conflicting claims.
As for the Native American peoples: There are well over 500 distinct
Indian tribes; Native Americans are not a single nation. The various
Indian peoples have their own common histories, as well as common
linguistic and cultural bonds. Many of the tribal communities had long-
standing communal, agriculturally based economies at the time of the
arrival of the colonial-settlers. But that marked the start of a
protracted genocidal onslaught against the Native Americans.
Military attack and conquest, the wars and forcible campaigns for
removal and relocation, the internment and incarceration, cultural
mutilation and forced assimilation did not destroy and disintegrate
many of the peoples. But all this did have profound effects on social-
economic development.
The indigenous economies were largely shattered; land and herds were
expropriated. The federal reservation system functioned to keep the
Indian peoples in an enforced state of dependency and led to
systematic impoverishment. Internal (on-reservation) economic
development was blocked. Processes of class differentiation and
capital accumulation were severely held back. The potential basis for
the development of national markets was limited. Growing numbers of
American Indians would become wage- laborers--but this largely
occurred off the reservations, although there has been a history of
wage-labor in mining and timber industries.
Our Party recognizes the historic and ongoing land and natural
resource rights of the various Native American peoples. The Draft
Programme puts forth autonomy as a key measure that the new socialist
state will implement to address the rights to genuine self-rule and
the special needs of the Native American peoples. The Draft discusses
the measures that the socialist state must take to focus economic and
social resources in the most oppressed communities and regions of the
country, applying the principle of "raising the bottom up." These are
some of the key ways in which inequality and impoverishment affecting
American Indians and other oppressed nationalities will be overcome.
We feel this approach corresponds to the revolutionary interests of
the Native American peoples. On the other hand, our Party very much
wants to learn from analysis by Native Americans, as well as others,
about the changing economic structure on the reservations and class
transformations among Native Americans, especially over the last three
decades. These are important questions in their own right, and they
also bear on the direction and demands of the Indian peoples'
struggles.
To conclude this part of the discussion. To say that Black people form
an oppressed nation with the right to self-determination, while
Chicanos are an oppressed national minority with the right to
autonomy, and to uphold the right of self-rule for the various Indian
peoples is not to say that one people's oppression is "worse" than the
other, or that their demands are more important--there is no hierarchy
of oppression. It is not to say that one group "deserves more" than
the other. Rather, it is to make an analysis of historical development
and material-social conditions--and of what will solve the real
problems.
All oppressed people deserve liberation, and our Programme is a
concrete plan for getting there. The point is to end national
oppression. The particular policies and measures spelled out in the
Programme all flow from the same principles of ending inequality and
the same task of digging up the roots of national and all oppression.
They serve the common long-term struggle to revolutionize society and
create a global community of freely cooperating humanity.
PART 7. SOCIALIST REVOLUTION, AUTONOMY, AND THE TASK OF UPROOTING
NATIONAL OPPRESSION
National oppression is built into the structure and functioning of
U.S. society. It is continually reproduced and brutally reinforced by
the capitalist-imperialist system. Socialist revolution in the U.S.
must make the destruction of white supremacy and the development of
true equality among nationalities a central concern.
The Draft Programme puts forth a comprehensive approach for uprooting
national oppression.
It indicates the kind of immediate measures that will be taken to wipe
out segregation, dismantle the old police forces and crush racist
vigilante groupings, and rebuild the former ghettoes and barrios. It
discusses how the barriers to full participation in society will be
broken down and how, through education and culture, society-wide
efforts will be carried out to combat racism and national chauvinism.
It sets out policies regarding equality of languages and cultures and
envisions a flourishing of national cultures. The Programme upholds
the right of Black, Chicano, and Native American peoples to land they
have been historically, and down to the current day, robbed and
dispossessed of. It discusses how the new socialist society will
integrate workplaces, neighborhoods, and schools--and how these and
other measures will increase contact between peoples and help overcome
inequality and break down racism.
In addition to these measures and policies, the socialist state will
also uphold the right of Black, Chicano, Native American, and
indigenous Hawaiian peoples to forms of autonomy (and the Programme
recognizes the particular dynamics of the struggle in Hawai'i and
special issues of sovereignty). Now many people who have read and
studied the Draft Programme have asked to know more about autonomy- -
what it is and isn't.
Autonomy refers to forms of self-rule or self-government exercised by
the formerly oppressed nationalities in areas of sizable historic
population concentration. Territorial autonomy exists within the
framework of a multinational socialist state. It is not the creation
of a separate state with its own armed forces, foreign policy, or
currency. For very important reasons, you can't have a unified state
with many armies, but the key point of autonomy is that oppressed
people have the capacity to rule themselves in areas of historic
concentration.
Autonomy is a policy to meet the historic rights and concrete needs of
particular oppressed nationalities. Autonomous regions or areas will
have administrative control over various aspects of social, economic,
and cultural affairs. Autonomy will allow for the establishment of
localized institutions; adoption of specific language policies;
administration of finances and utilization of resources to address
particular economic and social priorities; the right to take necessary
measures to develop culture, education, arts, and health services; the
waging of social and political campaigns and the carrying out of
particular reforms related to specific conditions and needs.
The Draft Programme also explains that autonomy policies would be
carried out under guiding principles: that promote equality and unity
and that combat exploitation and oppression. And the autonomous areas
would not be walled off from the rest of society--there would be
interaction and interchange between them and others and with all of
society--and no one would be forced to live in them.
These are not just "good ideas." In the Soviet Union during the
revolutionary years and in China when it was socialist under Mao,
autonomy policies were applied. In the Soviet Union, written languages
were developed for formerly oppressed nationalities that only had
spoken languages. In revolutionary China, masses were engaged in
struggles to determine appropriate organs of self-government. In the
least developed minority nationality regions, local industry was
established; health-care systems combining traditional and modern
medicine were set up. Institutes for the study and dissemination of
the histories and cultures of different peoples were created. These
were empowering experiences.
The objective, again, is to carry forward the struggle to uproot
national oppression, to achieve genuine equality, and to unleash the
formerly oppressed masses to take part in the larger struggle to
remake society and do away with all exploitation and oppression.
Sizzle Flambé
... a very long reply, thank you, mostly cut-and-paste,
which regrettably did not address nor answer my question:
| What is meant by "Whites are not human beings"?
| <http://tinyurl.com/monica-charles-1>
Not who needs a homeland, not who has power or is oppressed,
not who is or is not or should or should not be a *nation*.
This is the far more basic status of being a *human being*.
Hello? Do you see that *this* is the question I'm asking?
Red Cloud
Final Solution for Racial Conflict/Warfare:
White Pride and White power!
Brown pride and Brown power!
Black pride and Black power!
Why not White-American joined KKK network?
Why not Mexican-American joined in La Raza network?
Why not Black-American Joined in the Black Nation network?
Hey the problem of racial warfare/conflict is about to be solved.
Let them carry out the Final Solution to solve all the racial conflict
once for ALL!!!!! Let them kill each other. Let them show how much
they hate each other racial group. Let them go killing each other
because of the race. Perfect solution for USA racial problem.
If the Final Solution is not the way to end racial conflict, what is
the way? Only racial pride will make war against each other. If this
what American want it? Mexican gang in Los Angeles formed
unity in the name of Brown-pride. Yes be proud of being Mexican race
and then they will go after Black race in street. This is what pride
pride pride can do to each other. How stupid they are!!!!
Sizzle Flambé
> Final Solution for Racial Conflict/Warfare:
>
> White Pride and White power!
> Brown pride and Brown power!
> Black pride and Black power!
>
> Why not White-American joined KKK network?
> Why not Mexican-American joined in La Raza network?
> Why not Black-American Joined in the Black Nation network?
>
> Hey the problem of racial warfare/conflict is about to be solved.
> Let them carry out the Final Solution to solve all the racial conflict
> once for ALL!!!!! Let them kill each other. Let them show how much
> they hate each other racial group. Let them go killing each other
> because of the race. Perfect solution for USA racial problem.
>
> If the Final Solution is not the way to end racial conflict, what is
> the way? Only racial pride will make war against each other. If this
> what American want it? Mexican gang in Los Angeles formed
> unity in the name of Brown-pride. Yes be proud of being Mexican race
> and then they will go after Black race in street. This is what pride
> pride pride can do to each other. How stupid they are!!!!
This may be the very first, and for all I know, the only, time
I have ever seen or will ever see Red Cloud make complete sense.
Excuse me while I treasure the moment.
rare breed
> This may be the very first, and for all I know, the only, time
> I have ever seen or will ever see Red Cloud make complete sense.
>
> Excuse me while I treasure the moment.
This ng needs more sense.
Red Cloud
Why? You did not know that racial pride promoting racial hate/
conflict? Or you American-born simply overlooked the true nature of
these white, black and Hispanic Raza crying for racial pride. BE
pride of being white! Be pride of being Black! Be pride of being La
Raza! Radically pride of being one race simply does not
mean he/she is gaining more of self-respect. It creates the negative
emotional energy to create more hate, fear. anger. The worst
is the perpetuating violence promoted by the racial pride. Racially
pride-filled Mexican gangs are not afraid of killing Black gang and so
is black gang. No wonder they kill each other without any remorse.
The currently the worst race is MEXICAN. So called Brown-Beret Mexican
racial group is promoting racially-filled hate and anger
in the name of being Aztec race.
Great teaching from Eastern philsophy, ideology, religion have
reminded me that I've simply forgotten. This is not from Western nor
Christian tradition. It's all ancient WISDOM of East. Buddha, Chinese,
Japanese Zen, Islam all have taught the same lesson.
The lesson Malcolm X learned by quitting from member of Black-pride
activist and converted into a Muslim. He learned there is only one
race only: human race. I dunno any Mexican elite or activist talked
about it. You probaly heard that most Hispanic/Latino are fighting
for "immigrant right". Underneath so called immigrant right public
campaign lies the truth nature of who they are: Raza pride. They want
more illegal Raza Hispanic race into America because they are so
proud being Raza Hispanic, not as human race.
Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq.
Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq.
Domine, dirige nos.
Let the games begin!
http://fredeeky.typepad.com/fredeeky/files/sf_anthem.mp3
Sizzle Flambé
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> The currently the worst race is MEXICAN. So called Brown-Beret Mexican
> racial group is promoting racially-filled hate and anger
> in the name of being Aztec race.
>
> Great teaching from Eastern philsophy, ideology, religion have
> reminded me that I've simply forgotten. This is not from Western nor
> Christian tradition. It's all ancient WISDOM of East. Buddha, Chinese,
> Japanese Zen, Islam all have taught the same lesson.
>
> The lesson Malcolm X learned by quitting from member of Black-pride
> activist and converted into a Muslim. He learned there is only one
> race only: human race. I dunno any Mexican elite or activist talked
> about it. You probaly heard that most Hispanic/Latino are fighting
> for "immigrant right". Underneath so called immigrant right public
> campaign lies the truth nature of who they are: Raza pride. They want
> more illegal Raza Hispanic race into America because they are so
> proud being Raza Hispanic, not as human race.
And Monica Charles says, "Indians are HUMAN BEINGS. Whites are not" --
the same *refusal* to accept the universal, mutual humanity of us all.
So. Have you then come to the point of rejecting that racist
viewpoint?
No more Asians vs Mexicans vs Blacks vs Whites vs Indians etc.? We're
all Human Beings, all in this together, no-one's getting tossed out of
the lifeboat, no-one's "going away", so we might as well all pitch in
and make this thing work, as one Human Race? Are you agreed, Red Cloud?
skep...@aol.com
Mexicans are a oppressed people within the borders of the United
States. Mexicans are oppressed by white people. Nationalism hurts
everybody, if whites are excluded because of their European heritage
despite having a good stance on race then they are being discriminated
against for the wrong reason. But that is a small wrong, when whites
have priviledge through society that Black people and Mexicans do not.
Religion is bullshit. Science says that Black people, or Mexican
people or white people are all physically about 99.9% the same. There
are cultural differences though. It's not what race you are, it's what
side you are on in the class struggle. If you are on the side of the
police, or the President, you are on the wrong side. With revolution,
affirmative action as we have know, but a million times more thorough
and fair it will increase a thousand fold.
skep...@aol.com
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We are all in it together as far as races of people and cultures are
concerned. The police, the clintons, the Bushes, the Obamas are not in
it together with us. They are against us as class enemies.
Sizzle Flambé
> On Aug 3, 2:29 am, Sizzle Flambé <sizzle.flambe @ gmail.com> wrote:
> [...]
>
> > And Monica Charles says, "Indians are HUMAN BEINGS. Whites are not" --
> > the same *refusal* to accept the universal, mutual humanity of us all.
>
> > So. Have you then come to the point of rejecting that racist viewpoint?
> > No more Asians vs Mexicans vs Blacks vs Whites vs Indians etc.? We're
> > all Human Beings, all in this together, no-one's getting tossed out of
> > the lifeboat, no-one's "going away", so we might as well all pitch in
> > and make this thing work, as one Human Race? Are you agreed, Red Cloud?
>
> concerned. The police, the clintons, the Bushes, the Obamas are not in
> it together with us. They are against us as class enemies.
Then you still have your own blinders on. Too bad. ONE Human Race.
ALL in it together. The police *too*. The Obamas *too*. Work on it.
Red Cloud
Your dream of peace or commie of peace in unity NEVER NEVER
NEVER ....Until Mexican pride race, Black pride race, and white KKK
pride race must engaged in mass genocidal race warfare. They need to
kill each other more. I WANT TO SEE MORE KILLING. I WHAT TO SEE MORE
HATE AND BLOOD IN STREET, IN CITY ACROSS USA. They need to shed more
blood in the name of their racial pride they have been fighting in
past 50 yr. Remember pride-filled Mexican Brown Beret in military
uniform. They want genocide race warfare! They want
race war! They want to kill all other race who is not MEXICAN!
So is Black pride Nation. So is White KKK, Aryan boys.
The problem of current US racial conflict is that Mexican, Black and
White have not done enough killing. The killing of their foes
is actually a healing process by releasing negative emotional energy
that have been built during racial-pride campaign. The pride-filled
energy must come out...But the energy is nowhere to go except the
outside of their body. Only killing will do the job since these
people have no tradition of Eastern WISDOM, Spirituality.
So why the killing, not peaceful negotiation? Ask Charles Darwin.
Racial killing is part of the process of human evolution. The peace
is the result of the evolution in action. US racial warfare is the
process of the socio-racial-evolution. Racial peace always comes
after the mass killing... The killing or genocide is the reminder
of what racial hate can do to do each other. German has done this
process after WWII. Nazi racial war taught them not to engage in
another racial hate. So German citizen became the most tolerant
European citizen. That is what evolution in peace is. For US,
racial evolution in peace is long away to go. it just started...
Just look at mass Raza Hispanic race... These race have at least 100
yr to go before they realize what racial hate can do to each other...
Sizzle Flambé
> Your dream of peace or commie of peace in unity NEVER NEVER
> NEVER ....Until Mexican pride race, Black pride race, and white KKK
> pride race must engaged in mass genocidal race warfare. They need to
> kill each other more. I WANT TO SEE MORE KILLING. I WHAT TO SEE MORE
> HATE AND BLOOD IN STREET, IN CITY ACROSS USA.
Oh. ... Earlier, I had thought you were being sarcastic.
*That* was the moment I was enjoying as your "making sense".
You had concluded the scenario with: "This is what pride
pride pride can do to each other. How stupid they are!!!!"
-- which seemed to say, that's a stupid outcome. I agreed.
But now you're saying, you *want* that stupid outcome ???!
Red Cloud
That's the outcome. You can't escape cuz this is the part of
racial relationship in evolutionary process. I'm not talking about
the land of Buddha here. I'm talking about racial conflict USA.
The killing has to be there...The peace is the outcome of the killing,
after the killing. Nazi Hitler racial war caused the racial
harmony and tolerant and peace in Europe after mass genocide and war.
Your mouth chatting for peace is utter joke...Who do you thinking you
are god? You are just human on this earth in the process of
evolution. Peace is the result of evolved species. You are not
evolved specie in the land of race conflict USA. Go find the land of
Buddha, your peace and harmony and these Eastern Buddhists already
achieved and evolved it cuz they did it without war and genocide.
Sizzle Flambé
> Go find the land of Buddha
Then you have not yet realized...
... either there is no such land...
... or all lands are the land of Buddha.
skep...@aol.com
There are real contradictions between individuals and classes in
reality. The police are NOT workers. The police are the enforcers of
the bosses, the direct enemy, in conflict with workers. Obama is a
boss, the arch architect and Imperialist planner who makes up the shit
the elites do to people at home and around the world.
skep...@aol.com
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There is no innate or unchanging "human nature." People's thinking,
behavior, and values are shaped by the economic structure and
corresponding institutions and culture of a given society. Ancient
Greek soiceity and America's "founding fathers" regareded slavery as
perfectly "normal." Capitalism is organized around the private
accumulation of profit and economic competition. Selfihness, greed,
and individualism are rewarded by the workings of capitalism and
promoted by the institutions of capitalist society. They are not "hard-
wired" into our genes, and neither is racism or male supremacy.