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May 19, 2020, 7:26:49 AM5/19/20
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It was a kind of nothing but fully contented day, just pottering in the garden, cooking a dish with more spices than usual just to try it out AND waving to David Beckham. The family live not too far from me and David is a frequent visitor to a little shop where I buy delicacies, I love Bumbles. They sell stuff I hadn't ever heard of and I give it a go and find my cooking is better because of it. I often use fruit vinegars; I will make my own as soon as I can pick my raspberries, but I buy it there BUT spoonful by spoonful it is far too expensive to be liberal with it, so Googling for a recipe and at the same time I will make herb infused olive oil, as that too is expensive. Does anyone here make their own, tips?

st...@justnn.com

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May 19, 2020, 7:42:00 AM5/19/20
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On Tue, 19 May 2020 04:26:49 -0700 (PDT), me <lepin...@gmail.com>
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>It was a kind of nothing but fully contented day, just pottering in the garden, cooking a dish with more spices than usual just to try it out AND waving to David Beckham. The family live not too far from me and David is a frequent visitor to a little shop where I buy delicacies, I love Bumbles. They sell stuff I hadn't ever heard of and I give it a go and find my cooking is better because of it. I often use fruit vinegars; I will make my own as soon as I can pick my raspberries, but I buy it there BUT spoonful by spoonful it is far too expensive to be liberal with it, so Googling for a recipe and at the same time I will make herb infused olive oil, as that too is expensive. Does anyone here make their own, tips?

A long time ago my mother and I collected hundreds of raspberries from
around the lake where we lived. We ate a lot of them but still had
enough to make a huge glass jar of vinegar. I was only about 10 years
old and so I sick of it after a few months. It probably contained
quite a lot of alcohol!

Steve

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May 19, 2020, 9:05:34 AM5/19/20
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aah! the stuff I buy doesn't contain any alcohol, I would love to find wild raspberries, I have often collected small wild strawberries, nothing like them, they are gorgeous.

Stephen Wolstenholme

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May 19, 2020, 9:23:06 AM5/19/20
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On Tue, 19 May 2020 06:05:33 -0700 (PDT), me <lepin...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Tuesday, 19 May 2020 12:42:00 UTC+1, st...@justnn.com wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 May 2020 04:26:49 -0700 (PDT), me <lepin...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >It was a kind of nothing but fully contented day, just pottering in the garden, cooking a dish with more spices than usual just to try it out AND waving to David Beckham. The family live not too far from me and David is a frequent visitor to a little shop where I buy delicacies, I love Bumbles. They sell stuff I hadn't ever heard of and I give it a go and find my cooking is better because of it. I often use fruit vinegars; I will make my own as soon as I can pick my raspberries, but I buy it there BUT spoonful by spoonful it is far too expensive to be liberal with it, so Googling for a recipe and at the same time I will make herb infused olive oil, as that too is expensive. Does anyone here make their own, tips?
>>
>> A long time ago my mother and I collected hundreds of raspberries from
>> around the lake where we lived. We ate a lot of them but still had
>> enough to make a huge glass jar of vinegar. I was only about 10 years
>> old and so I sick of it after a few months. It probably contained
>> quite a lot of alcohol!
>>
>> Steve

>aah! the stuff I buy doesn't contain any alcohol, I would love to find wild raspberries, I have often collected small wild strawberries, nothing like them, they are gorgeous.

I'm talking about pre-fridge days. All we had was a cooler so fruit
juice would ferment a bit. The home made ginger beer was very high in
alcohol. We didn't need booze to get drunk!

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May 19, 2020, 10:11:37 AM5/19/20
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On 2020-05-19 4:41 a.m., st...@justnn.com wrote:
> On Tue, 19 May 2020 04:26:49 -0700 (PDT), me <lepin...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> It was a kind of nothing but fully contented day, just pottering in the garden, cooking a dish with more spices than usual just to try it out AND waving to David Beckham. The family live not too far from me and David is a frequent visitor to a little shop where I buy delicacies, I love Bumbles. They sell stuff I hadn't ever heard of and I give it a go and find my cooking is better because of it. I often use fruit vinegars; I will make my own as soon as I can pick my raspberries, but I buy it there BUT spoonful by spoonful it is far too expensive to be liberal with it, so Googling for a recipe and at the same time I will make herb infused olive oil, as that too is expensive. Does anyone here make their own, tips?
>
> A long time ago my mother and I collected hundreds of raspberries from
> around the lake where we lived. We ate a lot of them but still had
> enough to make a huge glass jar of vinegar. I was only about 10 years
> old and so I sick of it after a few months. It probably contained
> quite a lot of alcohol!
>
> Steve
>
it didn't

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May 19, 2020, 10:12:19 AM5/19/20
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booze seems very important to you

Stephen Wolstenholme

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May 19, 2020, 10:52:31 AM5/19/20
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I was a typical drinker when I was a teenager. Now I only drink a
glass of Rioja with my dinner and a shot or two of Tullamore D.E.W.
Irish during the evening.

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Stephen Wolstenholme

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May 19, 2020, 10:54:14 AM5/19/20
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I didn't know you knew my mother and me.

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%

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May 19, 2020, 11:14:15 AM5/19/20
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drinking is important to you isn't it you talk about it a lot

%

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May 19, 2020, 11:14:55 AM5/19/20
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i don't i know how to make alcohol

Stephen Wolstenholme

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May 19, 2020, 11:20:44 AM5/19/20
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It was a habit when I was young. Now it is just for pleasure. I've
never been addicted to anything.

Steve

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Stephen Wolstenholme

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May 19, 2020, 11:24:14 AM5/19/20
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I'm surprised about that. It's very basic chemistry.

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May 19, 2020, 11:34:17 AM5/19/20
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well you have been you just don't see it as such

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May 19, 2020, 11:34:44 AM5/19/20
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yes you are

me

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May 19, 2020, 4:05:42 PM5/19/20
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I can remember ginger beer making me squiffy!

Steve

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May 19, 2020, 4:36:21 PM5/19/20
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On Tue, 19 May 2020 04:26:49 -0700 (PDT), me wrote:
>
> It was a kind of nothing but fully contented day, just pottering in
> the garden, cooking a dish with more spices than usual just to try it
> out AND waving to David Beckham. The family live not too far from me
> and David is a frequent visitor to a little shop where I buy
> delicacies,

He went to the same secondary school as I did, only not
at the same time :-)

I love Bumbles.They sell stuff I hadn't ever heard of and
I give it a go and find my
> cooking is better because of it. I often use fruit vinegars; I will
> make my own as soon as I can pick my raspberries, but I buy it there
> BUT spoonful by spoonful it is far too expensive to be liberal with it,
> so Googling for a recipe and at the same time I will make herb infused
> olive oil, as that too is expensive. Does anyone here make their own,
> tips?

I only make jam. Plum for when I have a harvest that
hasn't been got at by the plum maggots and blackberry
jam.


Fran

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May 19, 2020, 9:51:25 PM5/19/20
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On 19/05/2020 9:41 pm, st...@justnn.com wrote:
> On Tue, 19 May 2020 04:26:49 -0700 (PDT), me <lepin...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> It was a kind of nothing but fully contented day, just pottering in the garden, cooking a dish with more spices than usual just to try it out AND waving to David Beckham. The family live not too far from me and David is a frequent visitor to a little shop where I buy delicacies, I love Bumbles. They sell stuff I hadn't ever heard of and I give it a go and find my cooking is better because of it. I often use fruit vinegars; I will make my own as soon as I can pick my raspberries, but I buy it there BUT spoonful by spoonful it is far too expensive to be liberal with it, so Googling for a recipe and at the same time I will make herb infused olive oil, as that too is expensive. Does anyone here make their own, tips?
>
> A long time ago my mother and I collected hundreds of raspberries from
> around the lake where we lived. We ate a lot of them but still had
> enough to make a huge glass jar of vinegar. I was only about 10 years
> old and so I sick of it after a few months. It probably contained
> quite a lot of alcohol!

Raspberry vinegar does not contain alcohol.

Fran

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May 19, 2020, 9:53:24 PM5/19/20
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Vinegar is a preservative (as is salt and sugar and alcohol). Raspberry
vinegar does not contain alcohol - just vinegar.

me

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May 20, 2020, 6:59:15 AM5/20/20
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He seems quite a nice chap, I pretend I don't know who he is as he is going about his private life, he waves so I wave back but everyone round here waves so it is quite normal. I used to make a lot of jam but these days I just buy it. I love plum jam, I used to make it, my favourite was always marrow and ginger which is what we had as children as it was so cheap to make. I do make pickle green tomato pickle is lovely.

Stephen Wolstenholme

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May 20, 2020, 7:28:25 AM5/20/20
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On Wed, 20 May 2020 11:51:24 +1000, Fran <f2r2...@loonynutters.com>
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With most fruit vinegar yeasts convert the sugars into ethanol alcohol
and that is then converted by bacteria to acetic acid and carbon
dioxide. Most alcohol evaporates during the heat sterilization
process. Home brewed vinegar is not heat treated and can contain a lot
of the alcohol that has previously been produced by ethanol
fermentation.

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May 20, 2020, 10:03:51 AM5/20/20
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from the beginning until now you left out yeast

Anonymous

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May 20, 2020, 2:35:11 PM5/20/20
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% <per...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2020-05-20 4:28 a.m., Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:



> from the beginning until now you left out yeast

I have a yeast story, but it’s pretty boring. It involved my first time
using active dry yeast when making cinnamon rolls for a crew of three
hundred sailors.


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May 20, 2020, 3:19:56 PM5/20/20
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just leave it i'm not going to believe it

Anonymous

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May 20, 2020, 3:48:15 PM5/20/20
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% <per...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2020-05-20 11:35 a.m., Anonymous wrote:
>> % <per...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 2020-05-20 4:28 a.m., Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> from the beginning until now you left out yeast
>>
>> I have a yeast story, but it’s pretty boring. It involved my first time
>> using active dry yeast when making cinnamon rolls for a crew of three
>> hundred sailors.
>>
>>
> just leave it i'm not going to believe it

Ok, but can you have a guess as to what my mistake was?



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May 20, 2020, 4:16:08 PM5/20/20
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On 2020-05-20 12:48 p.m., Anonymous wrote:
> % <per...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2020-05-20 11:35 a.m., Anonymous wrote:
>>> % <per...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2020-05-20 4:28 a.m., Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> from the beginning until now you left out yeast
>>>
>>> I have a yeast story, but it’s pretty boring. It involved my first time
>>> using active dry yeast when making cinnamon rolls for a crew of three
>>> hundred sailors.
>>>
>>>
>> just leave it i'm not going to believe it
>
> Ok, but can you have a guess as to what my mistake was?
>
>
>
i barely know how to turn an oven on

mixed nuts

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May 20, 2020, 5:02:01 PM5/20/20
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On 5/20/2020 3:48 PM, Anonymous wrote:
> % <per...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2020-05-20 11:35 a.m., Anonymous wrote:
>>> % <per...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2020-05-20 4:28 a.m., Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
>>>
>>>> from the beginning until now you left out yeast
>>>
>>> I have a yeast story, but it’s pretty boring. It involved my first time
>>> using active dry yeast when making cinnamon rolls for a crew of three
>>> hundred sailors.
>>>
>> just leave it i'm not going to believe it
>
> Ok, but can you have a guess as to what my mistake was?

I use active dry yeast but 3 or 4 years ago it stopped working good
unless I boiled the water first or used bottled water. The town changed
to a different water treatment chemical that kept the pipes cleaner but
the yeast couldn't handle it. Now I have a pitcher with a chemical
filter that seems to take out the yeast killer.

If you use too hot water you can kill the yeast, If you use cold water
it takes a long time for the yeast to wake up. If you don't add sugar
and flour right away, it'll starve and stop working. If you add too much
sugar it'll stop working.

Other than that, there's not much you can do to mess up.

Did you use salt water?


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Steve

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May 20, 2020, 5:05:42 PM5/20/20
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On Wed, 20 May 2020 19:48:12 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous
wrote:
>
> % <per...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 2020-05-20 11:35 a.m., Anonymous wrote:
> >> % <per...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On 2020-05-20 4:28 a.m., Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> from the beginning until now you left out yeast
> >>
> >> I have a yeast story, but it?s pretty boring. It involved my first time
> >> using active dry yeast when making cinnamon rolls for a crew of three
> >> hundred sailors.
> >>
> >>
> > just leave it i'm not going to believe it
>
> Ok, but can you have a guess as to what my mistake was?

No sugar?

Steve

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May 20, 2020, 5:06:03 PM5/20/20
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On Wed, 20 May 2020 03:59:14 -0700 (PDT), me wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, 19 May 2020 21:36:21 UTC+1, Steve wrote:
> > On Tue, 19 May 2020 04:26:49 -0700 (PDT), me wrote:
> > >
> > > It was a kind of nothing but fully contented day, just pottering in
> > > the garden, cooking a dish with more spices than usual just to try it
> > > out AND waving to David Beckham. The family live not too far from me
> > > and David is a frequent visitor to a little shop where I buy
> > > delicacies,
> >
> > He went to the same secondary school as I did, only not
> > at the same time :-)
> >
> > I love Bumbles.They sell stuff I hadn't ever heard of and
> > I give it a go and find my
> > > cooking is better because of it. I often use fruit vinegars; I will
> > > make my own as soon as I can pick my raspberries, but I buy it there
> > > BUT spoonful by spoonful it is far too expensive to be liberal with it,
> > > so Googling for a recipe and at the same time I will make herb infused
> > > olive oil, as that too is expensive. Does anyone here make their own,
> > > tips?
> >
> > I only make jam. Plum for when I have a harvest that
> > hasn't been got at by the plum maggots and blackberry
> > jam.
>
> He seems quite a nice chap, I pretend I don't know who he is as he is
> going about his private life, he waves so I wave back but everyone
> round here waves so it is quite normal.

Yes he does seem nice. When I hear someone is nice it
sometimes reminds me of the Harry Enfield character
<https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7o8opi>

> I used to make a lot of jam
> but these days I just buy it. I love plum jam, I used to make it, my
> favourite was alwaysmarrow and ginger which is what we had as children as it was so cheap
> to make.

Plums don't keep long, so we freeze them and use them in
plum crumbles etc, and what we can't freeze I make jam
with. I give away more of that than I eat because you
soon get fed up with it.

> I do make pickle green tomato pickle is lovely.

I made some green tomato chutney for the first time last
year with my left over green toms. I followed the James
Martin recipe on the BBC website. It's ok, but I still
prefer Branston pickle on my cheese sarnies.

Anonymous

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May 20, 2020, 10:38:46 PM5/20/20
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My only experience with using yeast had been in a large bake shop feeding
about ten thousand, and we used compressed yeast, kept in a refrigerator.
Easy to use.
What I made looked like cookies with brown spots. Had I only read the
directions on the package, it wouldn’t have happened.



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Fran

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May 20, 2020, 11:25:08 PM5/20/20
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Yes, vinegar IS made by fermentation of alcohol, however, to make
raspberry vinegar, raspberries are added to vinegar. Making raspberry
wine which is then used to make vinegar is not 'raspberry vinegar'. The
raspberry wine that was turned to vinegar would still need to have
raspberries added to the vinegar. In addition, home made raspberry
vinegar may, or may not involve heating.

Fran

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May 20, 2020, 11:29:41 PM5/20/20
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On 21/05/2020 7:01 am, mixed nuts wrote:

> I use active dry yeast but 3 or 4 years ago it stopped working good
> unless I boiled the water first or used bottled water.  The town changed
> to a different water treatment chemical that kept the pipes cleaner but
> the yeast couldn't handle it.  Now I have a pitcher with a chemical
> filter that seems to take out the yeast killer.

:-)) I sympathise. I make both yeasted bread and sourdough. I bouy
water to use in my sourdough but I'm not always as fussy aobut my dried
yeast - so far no problems.
>
> If you use too hot water you can kill the yeast,  If you use cold water
> it takes a long time for the yeast to wake up. If you don't add sugar
> and flour right away, it'll starve and stop working. If you add too much
> sugar it'll stop working.

I use a hot water battle under my sourdough as it rises and cover the
whle lot with 2 huge beach towels. Looks darned silly but it works
>
> Other than that, there's not much you can do to mess up.
>
> Did you use salt water?

He probably just forgot to add the yeast.

Steve

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May 21, 2020, 3:18:22 AM5/21/20
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On Thu, 21 May 2020 02:38:40 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous
wrote:
>
> Steve <steve.use...@gmx.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 20 May 2020 19:48:12 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> % <per...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On 2020-05-20 11:35 a.m., Anonymous wrote:
> >>>> % <per...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On 2020-05-20 4:28 a.m., Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> from the beginning until now you left out yeast
> >>>>
> >>>> I have a yeast story, but it?s pretty boring. It involved my first time
> >>>> using active dry yeast when making cinnamon rolls for a crew of three
> >>>> hundred sailors.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> just leave it i'm not going to believe it
> >>
> >> Ok, but can you have a guess as to what my mistake was?
> >
> > No sugar?
>
> My only experience with using yeast had been in a large bake shop feeding
> about ten thousand, and we used compressed yeast, kept in a refrigerator.
> Easy to use.
> What I made looked like cookies with brown spots. Had I only read the
> directions on the package, it wouldn?t have happened.

We are men. Men don't read instructions! :-)

My only experience with yeast is making beer a long time
ago.

Anonymous

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May 21, 2020, 4:07:41 AM5/21/20
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How true. Grin

> My only experience with yeast is making beer a long time
> ago.

That reminds me of another sea story. One of the cooks asked me to save the
juice when I made cherry pie. They made wine with it, and it was pretty
good.


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me

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May 21, 2020, 5:37:16 AM5/21/20
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Branston Pickle??? wash your mouth out! I have eaten in his restaurant and I like his non-cheffy attitude to food. He runs courses but I haven't been on one, yet.

me

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May 21, 2020, 5:39:40 AM5/21/20
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I've always wanted to make wine using rose petals, alas not enough roses now, I should have done it whilst I could.

me

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May 21, 2020, 5:41:18 AM5/21/20
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I used to make bread, it was so easy but now I eat little bread and there is a small family bakery near here that make sourdough and I can buy it there.

Stephen Wolstenholme

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On Thu, 21 May 2020 02:39:39 -0700 (PDT), me <lepin...@gmail.com>
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There are probably enough roses out in my garden now but I would
rather see them than drink them. Besides that I prefer red wine.

Steve

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Stephen Wolstenholme

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May 21, 2020, 8:29:50 AM5/21/20
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On Thu, 21 May 2020 02:41:17 -0700 (PDT), me <lepin...@gmail.com>
wrote:


>
>I used to make bread, it was so easy but now I eat little bread and there is a small family bakery near here that make sourdough and I can buy it there.

I made all the family bread when I was young because I could! These
days my wife does all the cooking. She makes sourdough about once a
week. She also makes soda bread when we want wraps. Today we are
having hummus in hot wraps.

Steve

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Steve

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May 21, 2020, 4:24:53 PM5/21/20
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On Thu, 21 May 2020 08:07:40 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous
wrote:
>
> Steve <steve.use...@gmx.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 21 May 2020 02:38:40 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous
> > wrote:
>
>
>
> >
> > We are men. Men don't read instructions! :-)
>
> How true. Grin
>
> > My only experience with yeast is making beer a long time
> > ago.
>
> That reminds me of another sea story. One of the cooks asked me to save the
> juice when I made cherry pie. They made wine with it, and it was pretty
> good.

My dad used to make wine out of anything he could. I
remember he made mead (honey wine?). Also wild berries
(Elderberries and Elderflower) and various weeds. Some of
the stuff he brewed he would freeze and partially thaw
it. Pouring off what had thawed and leaving a lot of the
water behind. That must have tasted like shit :-)

Anonymous

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May 21, 2020, 5:55:01 PM5/21/20
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Using a small bread making machine, my favorite was raisin bread with
chopped walnuts. The recipe came with the machine.


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Anonymous

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May 21, 2020, 7:02:34 PM5/21/20
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Any port in a storm.

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May 21, 2020, 10:30:50 PM5/21/20
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Apple jack is actually quite good. Especially the stuff you get from
processing at -20F which is about 90 proof.


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Anonymous

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May 22, 2020, 1:49:40 AM5/22/20
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Is that akin to white lightening?




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Julian Macassey

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May 23, 2020, 1:16:50 AM5/23/20
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On Thu, 21 May 2020 02:37:15 -0700 (PDT), me <lepin...@gmail.com>
wrote:
+ What are you talking about?
+
+ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branston_%28brand%29
+
+ Branston is a British food brand best known for the original Branston
+ Pickle, a jarred pickled chutney first made in 1922 in the village of
+ Branston near Burton upon Trent, Staffordshire by Crosse &
+ Blackwell.
+
+ However, the Branston factory proved to be uneconomical, and production
+ was moved to Crosse & Blackwell subsidiary, E Lazenby & Sons in
+ Bermondsey, London, where it invested in new buildings in 1924 and 1926,
+ which remained in use until 1969.
+
+ In 2004, the pickle business was sold by Nestlé to Premier Foods and
+ production was moved to Bury St Edmunds in Suffolk.[6][7] Premier Foods
+ sold the brand to Mizkan in 2013,[8] at which time it ceased to be
+ labelled as Crosse and Blackwell because in Europe this name was sold
+ separately to Princes Group. The pickle product sells over 17 million
+ jars a year in the UK.

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Steve

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May 23, 2020, 6:37:12 AM5/23/20
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On Sat, 23 May 2020 05:16:50 -0000 (UTC), Julian Macassey
wrote:
>
> On Thu, 21 May 2020 02:37:15 -0700 (PDT), me <lepin...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 20 May 2020 22:06:03 UTC+1, Steve wrote:
> >>
> >> I made some green tomato chutney for the first time last year with my
> >> left over green toms. I followed the James Martin recipe on the BBC
> >> website. It's ok, but I still prefer Branston pickle on my cheese
> >> sarnies.
> >
> > Branston Pickle??? wash your mouth out! I have eaten in his
> > restaurant and I like his non-cheffy attitude to food. He runs
> > courses but I haven't been on one, yet.
>
> + What are you talking about?
> +
> + https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branston_%28brand%29
> +
> + Branston is a British food brand best known for the original Branston
> + Pickle,
[...]

I think she meant James Martin, I said I'd followed his
recipe to make green tomato chutney.

me

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May 23, 2020, 8:31:11 AM5/23/20
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LOL I did, blame the wine!

Steve

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May 23, 2020, 11:50:26 AM5/23/20
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Heh lucky you! :-)
No booze for me for the next week, on yet another course
of antibiotics this time for my chest. Ho hum :-/

Fran

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May 23, 2020, 10:44:26 PM5/23/20
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You missed mention of the courses on offer. Not yet attended, but will
be. He probably charges and arm and a leg for them too.

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