"All Israelites are bound to follow everything in the Babylonian Talmud, and we
should force the Jews of every land to adhere to the customs established by the
Talmudic Sages."
A bit more liberal than most Moslems and Christians at the time, he thought
that a virtuous and monotheistic non-Jew would go to heaven, but he was as
severe as Deuteronomy or Torquemada on heretics (minim-jb) within the Hebrew
pale; and Jew who repudiated the Jewish Law should be put to death; and
"according to my opinion, all members of an Israelite community which has
insolently and presumptuously transgressed any of the divine precepts must be
put to death."
He also wrote:
"cruelty against those who mislead the people (This would include CHRIST-as
noted in the rabbinic literature over the ages--Toldoth Yeshu and Talmudic
excoriations-jb) to seek vanity is real clemency to the world."
"...He accepted without trouble the Scriptural penalty of death for witchcraft,
murder, incest, idolatry, violent robbery, kidnapping, filial disobedience, and
breaking the Sabbath." (This would include "picking up sticks" on the Sabbath,
as related in the Bible--jb)
In an ancient echo of the future sucide of Josef Goebbels and his entire
family, Maimonides counselled the Jews of his day:
"If heathens (Meaning "enemies" of the Jews-jb) should say to Israelites,
"Surrender one of your number to us that we may put him to death,," they should
ALL suffer death rather than surrender a single Israelite to them."
However, the good Rabbi did not always practice what he preached. For
instance:
In 1148 Berber fanatics captured Cordova,, destroyed churches and sunagogues,
and gave Christians and Jews a choice between Islam and exile. In 1159
Maimonides, with his wife and children, left Spain; for 9 years they lived in
Fez, pretending to be Moslems; for there, too, no Jews or Christians were
allowed. Maimonides justified superficial adherence to Islam among endangered
Jews in Morocco by arguing that,
"we are not asked to render active homage to heathanism, but only to recite an
empty formula, the Moslems themselves know that we utter it insincerely in
order to circumvent bigots."
The head rabbi of Fez did not agree with hand suffered martyrdom in 1165.
Fearing the same fate, Maimonides left for Palestine, thence he moved to
Alexandria, (1165) and old Cairo, where he lived till his death.
SOURCE FOR INFORMATION: THE AGE OF FAITH< WILL DURANT
<< snip apparently random comments on the Rambam >>
>In an ancient echo of the future sucide of Josef Goebbels and his entire
>family, Maimonides counselled the Jews of his day:
>
>"If heathens (Meaning "enemies" of the Jews-jb) should say to Israelites,
>"Surrender one of your number to us that we may put him to death,," they should
>ALL suffer death rather than surrender a single Israelite to them."
Isn't it always a treat to see how Joe interprets things?
The real context of Maimonides' comment is in terms of a certain ethical
dilemma which has been discussed frequently throughout the history
of Jewish theology. Rather than asking Joe the "Foremost Expert" to
fill in the blanks, though -- which would obviously be the end of this
particular discussion -- here is the question Maimonides was addressing:
suppose that Prince X tells you that one of the Jews in your community
must die, and you must decide which one. Do you choose one? Do you
draw straws? Do you pick somebody nobody likes? Or do you refuse to
have anything to do with the choice, since the moral decision to murder
the entire community would rest with the Prince? (The latter is
Maimonides' answer.)
Of course, Joe -- embarrassed that one of his Nazi heros, that great
humanist and find human being Goebbels, slaughtered his own family
-- would rather recast this in terms of mass suicide. Demonstrating
that he doesn't know what's being questioned, although he grants himself
the right to issue another of his blanket condemnations anyway.
Poor Joe.
@%<
Do you mind telling us where you got this?
>
> A bit more liberal than most Moslems and Christians at the time, he thought
> that a virtuous and monotheistic non-Jew would go to heaven, but he was as
> severe as Deuteronomy or Torquemada on heretics (minim-jb) within the Hebrew
> pale; and Jew who repudiated the Jewish Law should be put to death; and
>
Source? Citation?
> "according to my opinion, all members of an Israelite community which has
> insolently and presumptuously transgressed any of the divine precepts must be
> put to death."
>
> He also wrote:
>
> "cruelty against those who mislead the people (This would include CHRIST-as
> noted in the rabbinic literature over the ages--Toldoth Yeshu and Talmudic
> excoriations-jb) to seek vanity is real clemency to the world."
Christ misled people to seek vanity?
>
> "...He accepted without trouble the Scriptural penalty of death for
witchcraft,
> murder, incest, idolatry, violent robbery, kidnapping, filial disobedience,
and
> breaking the Sabbath." (This would include "picking up sticks" on the
Sabbath,
> as related in the Bible--jb)
It would?
>
> In an ancient echo of the future sucide of Josef Goebbels and his entire
> family, Maimonides counselled the Jews of his day:
>
> "If heathens (Meaning "enemies" of the Jews-jb) should say to Israelites,
> "Surrender one of your number to us that we may put him to death,," they
should
> ALL suffer death rather than surrender a single Israelite to them."
And?
>
> However, the good Rabbi did not always practice what he preached. For
> instance:
>
> In 1148 Berber fanatics captured Cordova,, destroyed churches and sunagogues,
> and gave Christians and Jews a choice between Islam and exile. In 1159
> Maimonides, with his wife and children, left Spain; for 9 years they lived in
> Fez, pretending to be Moslems; for there, too, no Jews or Christians were
> allowed. Maimonides justified superficial adherence to Islam among endangered
> Jews in Morocco by arguing that,
>
> "we are not asked to render active homage to heathanism, but only to recite an
> empty formula, the Moslems themselves know that we utter it insincerely in
> order to circumvent bigots."
Citation?
>
> The head rabbi of Fez did not agree with hand suffered martyrdom in 1165.
> Fearing the same fate, Maimonides left for Palestine, thence he moved to
> Alexandria, (1165) and old Cairo, where he lived till his death.
>
> SOURCE FOR INFORMATION: THE AGE OF FAITH< WILL DURANT
>
Edition? Pages/
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I just LOOOVE Jew-hating Joe's little comments. "Heathens" did not mean
"enemies" of Jews. Heathens were idolators, people who worshipped pagan
pantheons rather than the One True God. Why does it not surprise me that in
Booger's Moebius Theo-Logic, it's better to defend the heathens than the Chosen
of the One True God who sent his Son to the world as the Messiah?
And he wants us to think he has nothing against the Jews. Whadda maroon!
Dep
"Always tell the truth. It's the easiest thing to remember."
--David Mamet
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Like short haired women? Snotty comments? Penguins?
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>
>Of course, Joe -- embarrassed that one of his Nazi heros, that great
>humanist and find human being Goebbels, slaughtered his own family
>-- would rather recast this in terms of mass suicide. Demonstrating
>that he doesn't know what's being questioned, although he grants himself
>the right to issue another of his blanket condemnations anyway.
>
>Poor Joe.
>
What did the Jews do at Masada? Poor you.
>
>In article <19990312152241...@ng-fu1.aol.com>,
> jbell...@aol.com (Jbellingxx) wrote:
>> "He was a stern and dictatorial patriot:
>>
>> "All Israelites are bound to follow everything in the Babylonian Talmud,
>and
>we
>> should force the Jews of every land to adhere to the customs established by
>the
>> Talmudic Sages."
>
>Do you mind telling us where you got this?
Not that you deserve it, but:
In Baron, Essays, p. 117.
>A bit more liberal than most Moslems and Christians at the time, he thought
>> that a virtuous and monotheistic non-Jew would go to heaven, but he was as
>> severe as Deuteronomy or Torquemada on heretics (minim-jb) within the
>Hebrew
>> pale; and Jew who repudiated the Jewish Law should be put to death; and
>>
>Source? Citation?
Maimonides, "Guide to the Perplexed, tr. M. Friedlander, III, xli.
>
>> "according to my opinion, all members of an Israelite community which has
>> insolently and presumptuously transgressed any of the divine precepts must
>be
>> put to death."
>>
>> He also wrote:
>>
>> "cruelty against those who mislead the people (This would include CHRIST-as
>> noted in the rabbinic literature over the ages--Toldoth Yeshu and Talmudic
>> excoriations-jb) to seek vanity is real clemency to the world."
>
>Christ misled people to seek vanity?
This is what the rabbinical leaders taught.
>"...He accepted without trouble the Scriptural penalty of death for
>witchcraft,
>> murder, incest, idolatry, violent robbery, kidnapping, filial disobedience,
>and
>> breaking the Sabbath." (This would include "picking up sticks" on the
>Sabbath,
>> as related in the Bible--jb)
>
>It would?
>
Yes, it would.
> In an ancient echo of the future sucide of Josef Goebbels and his entire
>> family, Maimonides counselled the Jews of his day:
>>
>> "If heathens (Meaning "enemies" of the Jews-jb) should say to Israelites,
>> "Surrender one of your number to us that we may put him to death,," they
>should
>> ALL suffer death rather than surrender a single Israelite to them."
>
>And?
>
Goebbels was as justified as any Jew in not allowing any member of his family
to fall into the hands of Germany's enemies.
> However, the good Rabbi did not always practice what he preached. For
>> instance:
>>
>> In 1148 Berber fanatics captured Cordova,, destroyed churches and
>sunagogues,
>> and gave Christians and Jews a choice between Islam and exile. In 1159
>> Maimonides, with his wife and children, left Spain; for 9 years they lived
>in
>> Fez, pretending to be Moslems; for there, too, no Jews or Christians were
>> allowed. Maimonides justified superficial adherence to Islam among
>endangered
>> Jews in Morocco by arguing that,
>>
>> "we are not asked to render active homage to heathanism, but only to recite
>an
>> empty formula, the Moslems themselves know that we utter it insincerely in
>> order to circumvent bigots."
>
>Citation?
>
Letter of Consolation, in Yellin, 46.
>
>> The head rabbi of Fez did not agree with hand suffered martyrdom in 1165.
>> Fearing the same fate, Maimonides left for Palestine, thence he moved to
>> Alexandria, (1165) and old Cairo, where he lived till his death.
>>
>> SOURCE FOR INFORMATION: THE AGE OF FAITH< WILL DURANT
>>
>Edition? Pages/
>
1950, Simon Schuster, pages 408-410. Now, don't ever accuse me of not
providing you with sources.
Hmmm. Except, if I remember correctly--and if I am wrong you can correct me,
but I'm not, so if you try I'll smack you around like always--the Jews of
Masada you love to refer to were not about to "fall into the hands
of...enemies" that they had attempted to conquer, make war upon, systematically
annihilate from the face of the earth, and in the meantime commit cruel and
twisted scientific experiments upon. In fact, if I remember right, the Romans
who were their enemies *were* the invading and conquering army...unlike
Germany, who tried to conquer all of Europe and ended up defeated. And where
the Jews of Masada committed suicide (and took their children) because the
Romans were going to destroy, rape, or enslave them, Goebbels put his children
down because he didn't want them to live in a world without Der Fuehrer.
I *know* we've explained this to you before, Booger. Haven't you gotten your
memory back on line since your latest electroshock therapy?
Get slaughtered by the Romans. See Neil Asher Silverman, _Between Past and
Present: Archaeology, Ideology, and Nationalism in the Modern Middle East_
(New York: Anchor Books, 1989, pp. 87-101, for a thorough discussion of the
archaeological evidence and the manner in which it negates Josephus's
account.
Last-ditch suicides were a literary convention of the times, indicating the
final extreme of heroism.
>>Subject: Re: The Mercy of Maimonides
>>From: "David Gehrig" <zem...@antihormeltref.soltec.net>
>>Date: 3/12/99 5:34 PM EST
>>Message-id: <5EgG2.518$8y1...@news6.ispnews.com>
>
>>Of course, Joe -- embarrassed that one of his Nazi heros, that great
>>humanist and find human being Goebbels, slaughtered his own family
>>-- would rather recast this in terms of mass suicide. Demonstrating
>>that he doesn't know what's being questioned, although he grants himself
>>the right to issue another of his blanket condemnations anyway.
>>
>>Poor Joe.
>
>What did the Jews do at Masada? Poor you.
Poor predictable Joe. You're incapable of mentioning Goebbels' slaughter
of his family without bringing up Masada, as if the two events were
anything close to similar. Or do you think that Goebbel's children were
about to be led away into not-in-the-least-bit-metaphoric slavery?
@%<
Really? well, my revisionist collegue, I think you need to inform a great
number of authorities in this field, including the Jewish archeologist and
author of "Masada."
THAT, and worse.
>> "If heathens (Meaning "enemies" of the Jews-jb) should say to Israelites,
>>>> "Surrender one of your number to us that we may put him to death,," they
>>>should
>>>> ALL suffer death rather than surrender a single Israelite to them."
>>>
>>>And?
>>>
>>
>>Goebbels was as justified as any Jew in not allowing any member of his
>family
>>to fall into the hands of Germany's enemies.
>
>Hmmm. Except, if I remember correctly--and if I am wrong you can correct me,
>but I'm not, so if you try I'll smack you around like always--the Jews of
>Masada you love to refer to were not about to "fall into the hands
>of...enemies" that they had attempted to conquer, make war upon,
>systematically
>annihilate from the face of the earth, and in the meantime commit cruel and
>twisted scientific experiments upon. In fact, if I remember right, the Romans
>who were their enemies *were* the invading and conquering army...unlike
>Germany, who tried to conquer all of Europe and ended up defeated.
I am well aware of the History of Jews, so watch where you are treading.
>And where
>the Jews of Masada committed suicide (and took their children) because the
>Romans were going to destroy, rape, or enslave them, Goebbels put his
>children
>down because he didn't want them to live in a world without Der Fuehrer.
>
>I *know* we've explained this to you before, Booger. Haven't you gotten your
>memory back on line since your latest electroshock therapy?
>
>Dep
In other words, Goebbels was as justified as the Jews.
>>Subject: Re: The Mercy of Maimonides
>>From: "David Gehrig" <zem...@antihormeltref.soltec.net>
>>Date: 3/13/99 12:35 PM EST
>>Message-id: <4mxG2.400$yF5...@news6.ispnews.com>
>>
>>In article <19990313041902...@ng-ce1.aol.com>, deb...@aol.com
>>(Debunks) wrote:
>>
>>>>Subject: Re: The Mercy of Maimonides
>>>>From: "David Gehrig" <zem...@antihormeltref.soltec.net>
>>>>Date: 3/12/99 5:34 PM EST
>>>>Message-id: <5EgG2.518$8y1...@news6.ispnews.com>
>>>
>>>>Of course, Joe -- embarrassed that one of his Nazi heros, that great
>>>>humanist and find human being Goebbels, slaughtered his own family
>>>>-- would rather recast this in terms of mass suicide. Demonstrating
>>>>that he doesn't know what's being questioned, although he grants himself
>>>>the right to issue another of his blanket condemnations anyway.
>>>>
>>>>Poor Joe.
>>>
>>>What did the Jews do at Masada? Poor you.
>>
>>Poor predictable Joe. You're incapable of mentioning Goebbels' slaughter
>>of his family without bringing up Masada, as if the two events were
>>anything close to similar. Or do you think that Goebbel's children were
>>about to be led away into not-in-the-least-bit-metaphoric slavery?
>>
>>@%<
>
>THAT, and worse.
They were going to be forced to be revisionists?
@%<
"Jewish" revisionists...the worst of all possible offences, no?
Not that Jew-hating Joe is an antisemite. Just ask him.
Still, it's interesting that you ignored Fragano Ledgister's addendum that the
"suicide" at Masada was a literary convention, when in all likelihood they were
slaughtered. Your response was that he should bring it up to the "Jewish"
author of Masada (though what his being Jewish has to do with it, only Booger's
inflamed brain knows). Are you saying it is not possible, in the decades
between its publication and now, that new information cannot have surfaced
leading to a more clear interpretation of the historical event?
I'm hardly a colleague of yours. I'm merely quoting the most recent
authority. For more detail read Silverman's book.
Yeah, I heard you took the 3-day Hanukah seminar and were best in your class at
frying latkes over candles. BWAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
>
>>And where
>>the Jews of Masada committed suicide (and took their children) because
>the
>>Romans were going to destroy, rape, or enslave them, Goebbels put his
>>children
>>down because he didn't want them to live in a world without Der Fuehrer.
>
>>
>>I *know* we've explained this to you before, Booger. Haven't you gotten
>your
>>memory back on line since your latest electroshock therapy?
>>
>>Dep
>
>In other words, Goebbels was as justified as the Jews.
*BZAP!!* And so Booger's mind resets. Wrong-o, Betty Lou: Goebbels never stated
that he feared that his children would be harmed in any way, but he did express
(in writing) his regrets that they would be unable to live in a world without
Hitler. And then he killed them. (I guess post-partum abortion is okay with
Jew-hating Joe, as long as you're a Nazi.)
Indeed, especially since Yadin found no concrete evidence of the suicide.
Silverman's chapter on Masada was based on Yadin's work with the addition of
the work of Shaye Cohen who is the person who argued that Josephus used a
stock literary motif. Of course, all the persons I've mentioned are Jewish,
though that has no bearing on the reasonableness of the interpretation.
It is so nice to see that Bellinger continues to be predictable.
>
> Dep
>
> "Always tell the truth. It's the easiest thing to remember."
> --David Mamet
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Like short haired women? Snotty comments? Penguins?
> http://members.aol.com/deppitybob/shlu/PAGEONE.html
>
Fragano Ledgister @ Dejanews
Apparently revisionism is OK so long as it is pro-Jewish...
>> >Last-ditch suicides were a literary convention of the times,
>> >indicating the final extreme of heroism.
Oh, please! They were a bunch of stupid kooks like those Heaven's Gate
loonies who killed themselves.
>> Really? well, my revisionist collegue, I think you need to
>> inform a great number of authorities in this field, including
>> the Jewish archeologist and author of "Masada."
>
>I'm hardly a colleague of yours. I'm merely quoting the most
>recent authority. For more detail read Silverman's book.
Because he's the last one to have written on a subject he's an "authority"?
LOL!
As I said, revisionism seems just fine as long as it's to the benefit -- no
matter how much it needs to be stretched -- of Jews. Just like that other
rubbish about Columbus being a Jew (!!!) and how the Church 'didn't do
enough' to help the Jews (even though the chief rabbi of Rome himself
converted to Catholicism on account of all what the Pope did).
What a crock o' shit!
[.sig revised thusly:]
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>
>Yeah, I heard you took the 3-day Hanukah seminar and were best in your class
>at
>frying latkes over candles. BWAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
>
Have you forgotten the latest spam: Simtimes I deliberately post
misinformation.
I assure you, I am laughing much harder than you.
>
>*BZAP!!* And so Booger's mind resets. Wrong-o, Betty Lou: Goebbels never
>stated
>that he feared that his children would be harmed in any way, but he did
>express
>(in writing) his regrets that they would be unable to live in a world without
>Hitler. And then he killed them. (I guess post-partum abortion is okay with
>Jew-hating Joe, as long as you're a Nazi.)
>
>Dep
>
I believe I am more qualified to speak about what Goebbels thought than you.
>I'm hardly a colleague of yours. I'm merely quoting the most recent
>authority. For more detail read Silverman's book.
>
>
I am not interested, thank you. Refer to mine, and then to the book, Masada,
also written by an Israeli professor, than refer to Josephus--we all know how
you love him.
Here, here! (APPLAUSE)
> >>> >> >Of course, Joe -- embarrassed that one of his Nazi heros,
> Here, here! (APPLAUSE)
Yup. Another bigot who, like Jew-hating Joe misrepresents himself as a Catholic,
tells lies about the Jews and Jew-hating Joe stands up and cheers.
How typical.
In article <19990112213243...@ng31.aol.com>, deb...@aol.com
(Debunks) wrote: "I post deliberate misinformation . . ."
"hello? antone out there 12-14 e-mail me. i am thirteen and . .
.well if you e-mail me at jbel...@sprynet.com you can find out more about me i
am a female."
--YFE
The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/
The Nizkor Project is at http://www.nizkor.org/
The Einsatzgruppen page is at http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/
The Cybrary of the Holocaust is at http://www.remember.org/
> >I'm hardly a colleague of yours. I'm merely quoting the most recent
> >authority. For more detail read Silverman's book.
> I am not interested, thank you.
Of course. Jew-hating Joe does not care about the truth in any form whatsoever.
All Jew-hating Joe cares about is lying about Jews.
Wow. Mr. Blanche "I don't care what anyone else thinks" DuBooger sure is busy
sucking up all of a sudden! (Besides which, Booger: it's "hear, hear." NOT
"here, here." LOL! Those darn typos!)
Let's see, there's a word for a "historian" or "expert" who refuses to
acknowledge or read text and evidence that challenges his theories. I'm trying
to remember... Scurrilous? Dishonest? Superficial? Cowardly? Rapacious? False?
Lying? Corrupt? Intellectually bankrupt? Prejudiced? Ignorant? It's one of
those, I am sure.
And "simtimes" you just type whatever pops into your head. ROFL!!
>
>I assure you, I am laughing much harder than you.
>
>>
>>*BZAP!!* And so Booger's mind resets. Wrong-o, Betty Lou: Goebbels never
>>stated
>>that he feared that his children would be harmed in any way, but he did
>>express
>>(in writing) his regrets that they would be unable to live in a world without
>>Hitler. And then he killed them. (I guess post-partum abortion is okay
>with
>>Jew-hating Joe, as long as you're a Nazi.)
>>
>>Dep
>>
>
>I believe I am more qualified to speak about what Goebbels thought than
>you.
Well, given that you both share a slavish adoration of Der Foorer, that
wouldn't surprise me. Of course, Goebbels was also a liar of enormous
magnitude, so your affinity for him surprises me not in the least.
In other words, you don't care to consider the most recent research (and you
can't even name the author of the book you cite!). Whatta maroon.
As for my 'love' of Josephus, would you care to explain that? I had no idea
that I loved him. Do tell us more.
It is pro-Jewish to say that the defenders of Masada were slaughtered? In what
way could it be defined as pro- (or for that matter, anti-) Jewish?
> >
> >>> >Last-ditch suicides were a literary convention of the times,
> >>> >indicating the final extreme of heroism.
> >
> >
> >Oh, please! They were a bunch of stupid kooks like those Heaven's Gate
> >loonies who killed themselves.
You're not interested in Shaye Cohen's argument, but you're willing to make
definitive statements about it? Is that how all Martians think?
> >
> >>> Really? well, my revisionist collegue, I think you need to
> >>> inform a great number of authorities in this field, including
> >>> the Jewish archeologist and author of "Masada."
> >>
> >>I'm hardly a colleague of yours. I'm merely quoting the most
> >>recent authority. For more detail read Silverman's book.
> >
> >
> >Because he's the last one to have written on a subject he's an "authority"?
> >LOL!
No. You have, I see, no conception of what an authority is.
> >
> >As I said, revisionism seems just fine as long as it's to the benefit -- no
> >matter how much it needs to be stretched -- of Jews. Just like that other
> >rubbish about Columbus being a Jew (!!!) and how the Church 'didn't do
> >enough' to help the Jews (even though the chief rabbi of Rome himself
> >converted to Catholicism on account of all what the Pope did).
Whether or not Columbus was Jewish is a lively issue. I am given to understand
that there is evidence on both sides of the argument.
As for revisionism, revising history is a common practice of historians. New
evidence, new interpretive approaches, new conceptions of what is important
all produce new interpretations and understandings of historical events.
This is a continuing process to which, btw, I have contributed in my own
small way (though, I must add, I am not a historian). So-called 'Holocaust
revisionism' is a different matter (as is the on-again-off-again effort of
ultranationalist Turks to rewrite the history of the Armenian genocide).
My own academic work has its roots in a challenge to the conventional wisdom
in colonial history that goes back over fifty years. What historians, and
other relevant academics such as political scientists, sociologists, and
anthropologists do is examine such interpretations in the light of the
evidence. They do not throw the evidence out and insist on there having been
a completely different _set of events_.
The givens of history are givens. Masada fell, there is not the least doubt
of that. The exact circumstances of its fall are another matter. Were
archaeologists to take the approach you appear to favour they might contend
that Masada did not actually fall.
> >
> >What a crock o' shit!
> >
> >[.sig revised thusly:]
> >
>
> Here, here! (APPLAUSE)
>
That should be 'hear, hear!'
Why? Are you 'channeling' him? That would explain a lot.
As usual the remark went over your head.
Fine. Shall we refer to the Jew, Josephus, for his description of the events?
Of course not, because the Jews despise him as a minim. How about Graetze? Or
Roth? No wonder you are so ignorant and ill-informed when it comes to the
holocaust.
>
>Still, it's interesting that you ignored Fragano Ledgister's addendum that
>the
>"suicide" at Masada was a literary convention, when in all likelihood they
>were
>slaughtered. Your response was that he should bring it up to the "Jewish"
>author of Masada (though what his being Jewish has to do with it, only
>Booger's
>inflamed brain knows). Are you saying it is not possible, in the decades
>between its publication and now, that new information cannot have surfaced
>leading to a more clear interpretation of the historical event?
>
>Dep
>
You know, I actually am amazed at your gross ignorance and the vomit you spew
in this newsgroup. In fact, the mass suicide tookplace exactly as described in
the narrations from the time of Josephus through Graetze to Masada today, and
L's reference to one oddball trying the usual Jewish scam of proclaiming the
guilty inocent has and will fail completely. In fact, mass suicides were quite
common among the Jews. Shall I post more?
> >
>> >[.sig revised thusly:]
>> >
>>
>> Here, here! (APPLAUSE)
>>
>
>That should be 'hear, hear!'
>
>Fragano Ledgister @ Dejanews
No, it should be as I wrote. HERE HERE.....I am, after all, not sitting in the
House of Lords.
Under my feet.
Joe, I understand that you are applying for federal education system because
your native language is Moronics.
Fragano Ledgister @ Dejanews
Mia irmana fremosa, treides comigo
a la igrexa de Vigo, ú é o mar salido,
e miraremolas ondas.
-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
The archaeological evidence does not support the specific claims made by
Josephus.
When you're wrong, you insist you're right. We're writing English here, not
Moronics.
>As usual the remark went over your head.
As usual Jew-hating Joe flees from backing up his accusation.
How nice, though, that Jew-hating Joe thinks all Jews are so homogeneous that
if one Jew states an opinion, all Jews should follow. Still, you haven't
answered the question:
"Are you saying it is not possible, in the decades between its publication and
now, that new information cannot have surfaced leading to a more clear
interpretation of the historical event?"
It's been pointed out that the archeological evidence does not support the
(apparently romanticized) version of Josephus, that at Masada there was a mass
suicide. So once again I ask you:
"Are you saying it is not possible, in the decades between its publication and
now, that new information cannot have surfaced leading to a more clear
interpretation of the historical event?"
You're not afraid to answer, are you, Joe?
Boy, it just runs counter to your programming to admit you're wrong on
*anything,* doesn't it? According to Webster's 3rd New International Dictionary
(the big, 3-volume one), under the entry for "hear" is:
"5--often used in the expression *Hear! Hear!* during a speech to call
attention to the words of a speaker or in applause". Interestingly enough,
there is no such definition under the word "here."
No need to thank me, Booger. Pointing out you're wrong when you stupidly insist
you are right is reward enough.
And I hear you are at the head of your class.
I suppose you can lie and distort just as poorly in that lingo as well.
>It's been pointed out that the archeological evidence does not support the
>(apparently romanticized) version of Josephus, that at Masada there was a
>mass
>suicide.
And I in turn have pointed you toward another direction, which refutes that
recent claim. Besides, the mass suicides are entirely consistent with numeorus
other occasions when the Jews took their own lives as well as the lives of
their children, sometimes simply to resist "conversion" to Christianity!
> So once again I ask you:
> "Are you saying it is not possible, in the decades between its
publication
>and
>now, that new information cannot have surfaced leading to a more clear
>interpretation of the historical event?"
Not in this case, no.
>
>The archaeological evidence does not support the specific claims made by
>Josephus.
>
>>
>
>Fragano Ledgister @ Dejanews
And neither does the evidence support your claims about homicidal gas chambers.
>"Are you saying it is not possible, in the decades between its publication
>and
>now, that new information cannot have surfaced leading to a more clear
>interpretation of the historical event?"
>
>
>
>
>Dep
Not in this case.
>>>>And, you're right to say that,
>although you do lump all the Jews together with distressing regularity,
>>I NEVER have. Prove it or retract. Lots of luck, too.
[...]
>I have no revulsion for the Jews.
And after stating he has "no revulsion for the Jews," Booger then states,
*within the same post*:
>>
>>Can pigs teach each other to sing?
>
>Depends, Joe -- who taught you?
>
>@%<
>
I don't recallhis name, but he was Jewish.
You're a real gem, Booger. There's just no functional editor between your ears,
your eyes, your hands, and your brain. By the way, since you insist you have
never lumped all Jews together, here's the usual litany:
>>>>Then there's the guy I grew up two houses down
>>>>from in Chicago - he was just used for slave labor.
>>>
>>>According to him...
>>
>>I'd like to see what that very honest old man would do to you for calling
>>him a liar to his face.
>
>>He got very strong doing that slave labor. He
>>hates neo-Nazis, but not Germans. Indeed, he married one.
>
>So life wasn't so bad to him after all, was it?
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{{{{(Part of Booger's christmas carol)
>>>Rockin around the Hannukah bush
>>>Izzy's tribe is here to stay
>>>Ripping dumb old Goyim off
>>>In that good old Jewish way
>>>}}}}
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{{{{{>Go fuck yourself, Booger. And while you're at it, go spend some time in a
>Nazi
>slave labor camp and see if it improves YOUR fucking life.
>
>Dep
>
I might consider that, but I think I would get bored babysitting over all the
drones.}}}}
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{{{{{(a booger response)
>, and
>in not just art but in poetry and prose (Gertrude Stein
She was Jewish, not German.
Didn't she write, "A Jew is a Jew is a Jew..." or something similar? :>)}}}}}}
----------------------
>
> It is clear who started the war, and it was not Hitler. It was your hero,
> Rosenfeld.
-----------------------
There's no business like Shoah business.
-----------------------
Was she constantly shadowing her? SING ALONG
Me...and my ..shadow....walking down the Auschwitz ramp.....Me and my
SHADOW...why is Irma such a little scamp? And when the sun goes down, Irma
goes to town, then we fool around,. scrounging and stealing......Me and my
Shadow, walking down the Auschwitz ramp.....
---------------------------
SNIP
Sung to "Your Feets too Big" by Fats Waller:
Yea, I'm gonna a build a gas chamber or two
One for me, and one for you
The first one just wouldn't do
So I had to build me two
Because your feets too big
It can't take ya cuz your feets too big
It really hates ya cuz your feets too big
It don't want ya cuz yer feets too big
Well the strain on the furnaces was colossal
Your feet stuck out like a fossil
They all said twas impossible
Because Yer Feets too big
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>"Other firms were involved in what might be termed the disposal end of the
>Nazi
>corpse industry. A Danzig firm named Arrd manufactured an electrically-heated
>tank for the manufacture of soap out of human fat: 'The recipe called for 12
>pounds of human fat, ten quarts of water, and eight ounces to a pound of
>caustic soda...all boiled for two to three hours and then cooled.' Crushed
>bone
BWAHAHAH! What did they call it?--Yiddish Spring?
-------------------------------------
O fagela O fagela
Wie faul sind deine Luegen...
O fagela o fagela
Wie faul sind deine Luegen....
Du luegst nicht nur in Sommerzeit
Doch im Winter wenn es schneit
O fagela o fagela
Wie faul sind deine Luegen
SUNG TO O TANNENBAUM
------------------------------------
COMMENT: Have a Happy Haganah…er…Hanukah.
-------------------------------
Little Dupa misinterpets again. I never referred to Moses as having a burning
bush, unless it was Miriams.
---------------------------------
"The sick…were given a lethal injection…."
COMMENT: Which undoubtedly transformed them into Mr. Hydes. Others, the
author blandly informs us,
"Were left to starve."
COMMENT: Perhaps this was a Jenny Craig forerunner?
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>Don't worry, Boger, you aren't. So, after you're done gobbling Goebbels's
>dick, go kiss Himmler's heinie.
LOL! And you can go kiss Nizkor's Hymie.
-------------------------------
>>It's not impossible that my mother still knows more about Judaism
>>than you do, despite the fact that she's been dead for seven years.
>
>Apparently that knowledge may have done her in, poor lady.
--------------------------------
It's not whether you win or lose but rather what you think of Jews
----------------------------
> Only a liar like Joe-hating Joe would make the mistake of trusting such
a
>source.
>
You mean trusting a Jew?
-----------------------------
>Well, tell us all about it. I understand it is a fake "revisionist"
>document. What's your take on it?
>
My take is that the Jews came up with thousands of dollars to disprove the
authenticity of this document, but they won't shell out a dime to examine the
claims of revisionists as to whether there were gas chambers at Auschwitz or
anywhere else.
--------------------------
You are becoming hysterical Yale. Go take a bottle of valiums.
------------------------
>>Gee, Blanche, I love it when your voice gets all squeaky like that.
>>
>>@%<
>
>Jewish Jabberwocky.
-------------------------
>For example, did the prophets predict the Messiah coming at the time of
>Christ?
Of course...or are you a Jew?
-----------------------
Tey as I might, I will never catch up to you and those kosher farts of yours.
-------------------
It is up to YOU to convince us that these heads actually belonged to inmates at
Buchenwald. Go for it...Give us a name of one of these posers for a "head"
shot....
---------------------
I wonder what Gord will say if I said that the Communist Party was dominated by
Jews?
---------------------
> The why didn't the Christians after Constantine leave the Jews alone?
I guess they were not in a forgive and forget mood at the time.
---------------------
Remember what Hitler said about the laughter of Jews like you?
-------------------
>According to this statement, then, made by an educated a pius rabbi, Hitler
and
>Ben Gurion appear to be better candidates for Messiah than Jesus Christ.
-------------------
Sure it does,...it says he would be responsible for their ultimate return to
Israel in the end days...and did not both Hitler and Ben Gurion accomplish this
fact? No one said anything about their methods, did they?
-----------------
>Let's see... they were of obvious non-Indian origin, they had rope marks on
>their necks, they were found at Buchenwald, and there were orders from Nazis
Actually, theylook like two hippies!
>telling Nazis to STOP making shrunken head
To STOP? LOL! But 2 heads are better than one!
---------------
>They were going to be forced to be revisionists?
>
>@%<
"Jewish" revisionists...the worst of all possible offences, no?
I see. And why would that be? (And without reading the most recent texts on the
subject, how can you make that claim?) And if it is not possible "in this case"
for new information to lead to a *revised* interpretation of the historical
event, then what implications does that have for "Holocaust Revisionism"?
I'll give you credit for being able to recognize a logic trap when you see it,
but no credit for a reasonable response...just another lame dodge.
Subject: Re: The Mercy of Maimonides
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>
SNIP
"Were left to starve."
Yet another lame attempt by Booger to avoid the topic at hand. Quelle surprise.
Yes, you have indeed said so. Not without a speck of proof, letter of text, or
a single date or historical reference, but you did say so, and as we all know,
that equals truth for Jew-hating Joe.
>
>> So once again I ask you:
>> "Are you saying it is not possible, in the decades between its
>publication
>>and
>>now, that new information cannot have surfaced leading to a more clear
>>interpretation of the historical event?"
>
>Not in this case, no.
And what puts this historical event beyond the reach of normal historical
revision, Booger? Please enlighten us. Why is it that new information on this
event cannot surface? What about this event renders it untouchable by normal
historical study?
Well, if it so easy, why did you fail so miserably? Not ONE of the comments
you quoted makes maention of ALL Jews, or lumping ALL Jews together. GAME<
SET, MATCH/.
>I see. And why would that be? (And without reading the most recent texts on
>the
>subject, how can you make that claim?) And if it is not possible "in this
>case"
>for new information to lead to a *revised* interpretation of the historical
>event, then what implications does that have for "Holocaust Revisionism"?
None.
Here's a hint, Booger: WRONG! (One cannot have separate standards for
historicity dependent upon the subject. That would be intellectually dishonest.
Do I need to use words with fewer syllables again?)
You mean, like this sentence? "It's not whether you win or lose but rather what
you think of Jews"? I'd say that lumps ALL Jews together.
Of course, Blanche DuBooger was so alarmed by them that he snipped every single
one. Here they are again:
SNIP
"Were left to starve."
------------------
>>
>>Can pigs teach each other to sing?
>
>Depends, Joe -- who taught you?
>
>@%<
>
I don't recallhis name, but he was Jewish.
--------------------
Other than you utter incompetence as a "researcher" your skills in the
use of the English language is deficient. Here is a classic example of how
to refer to ALL Jews:
When Henry Friendlander's research contradicted some of your "deliberate
misinformation" you dismissed his work as follows:
"Friedlander, being Jewish, is hardly an unbiased source."
Now you can lie about this one. Again.
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