Death of a Scientologist
cultxpt
DEATH OF A SCIENTOLOGIST
by
Jeff Jacobsen
Lisa McPherson was a 36 year old Scientologist who died December 5,
1995, after 17 days of mental health treatment from her own church.
The story of her last days was successfully hidden from the public and
even Lisa's family for almost a year. Gradually, through a thin thread
of circumstances, her story has become one of the most famous events in
Scientology history.
The front page of the May 15, 1955 Arizona Republic had this story:
"A $9,000 damage suit was brought yesterday in superior court here
against L. Ron Hubbard, the Church of Scientology, and others.
Mrs. Estrid Anderson Humphrey, formerly of Paradise Valley and now of
Abilene, Tex. brought the suit through her attorney, George Botsford of
Scottsdale. The suit contends that Mrs. Humphrey's Paradise Valley
house was extensively damaged by 'persons' the suit charged 'with
seriously deranged minds' who were placed there for care and treatment.
It charges these deranged persons broke windows, tore out entire window
casements, pulled loose electrical fixtures, tore and broke great holes
in the walls and ceilings, tore and broke off doors, screen doors, and
cabinets, and did other serious damage. "
The case was settled out of court.
In 1967 L. Ron Hubbard, science fiction writer and creator of
Dianetics and Scientology, wrote a policy letter for the church called
"Penalties for Lower Conditions" in which he described how to
handle an "enemy:" "Fair game. May be deprived of property or
injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the
Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed."
In 1974 Hubbard wrote in another policy letter that he had
discovered a procedure to cure psychotic people that would lead to the
eradication of psychiatry. The process, called the Introspection
Rundown, involved placing the psychotic person into complete isolation
with as little stimulation as possible. No one was to speak to the
person except the "case supervisor" who would communicate in
writing only. Once the person figured out why they went crazy, the
supervisor would allow the person to be let out of isolation.
Hubbard had at this time been on board his ship the Apollo, cruising
the Mediterranean for a few years. He was ready to come ashore again.
In 1975 United Churches of Florida moved into their newly purchased
Ft. Harrison Hotel in downtown Clearwater, Florida. Gabe Cazares, the
mayor of Clearwater, wanted to know more about his new constituents.
But they were secretive and the group was not known to anyone in the
area. The weapons being carried by security personnel around the hotel
were an additional concern.
Eventually it came out that United Churches of Florida was a front
for the Church of Scientology. Why, Cazares wondered, did they feel
the need to sneak into town under an assumed name?
In 1993 Lisa McPherson, a beautiful, outgoing 34-year-old who liked
country dancing and working on projects for her church, followed the
company she worked for in Dallas to their new location in Clearwater,
Florida. Lisa, her bosses, and most employees were Scientologists
looking forward to living in Clearwater, which had become the Mecca of
Scientology.
During the summer of 1995, Lisa was having psychological problems
and was put on a "watch" where fellow Scientologists would keep a
close eye on her. That fall, after recovering somewhat, she went
"clear" (a significant milestone in Scientology training) and
looked happy at her church award ceremony.
On November 18, 1995, while driving her Jeep Cherokee, Lisa bumped
the back end of a boat being towed by a truck stopped in front of her
at a stop light. A paramedic who was at the corner, seeing to a
previous accident, went over to Lisa to make sure she was all right.
Yes, she said, she was all right. When the paramedic walked back to her
ambulance, she turned and saw Lisa walking down the street without a
stitch of clothes on. She grabbed Lisa and hustled her into the back
of the ambulance. "I just needed someone to talk to," Lisa said.
At the hospital, Lisa was checked out for any physical damage.
Meanwhile, several Scientologists appeared and demanded that Lisa not
be seen by a psychiatrist because that is against Scientology's belief
system. A psychiatric nurse interviewed Lisa in the presence of her
fellow Scientologists. The doctor on duty, despite his own
reservations, let Lisa sign herself out after the Scientologists
promised to care for Lisa around the clock.
Lisa was taken directly to the Ft. Harrison Hotel only blocks north
of the hospital. She was put in room 174, in the back of the hotel.
Guards were placed at the door. No one spoke to Lisa for the next 17
days.
Church logs released during civil litigation indicate what happened
to Lisa during her stay at the Ft. Harrison Hotel. Her caretakers kept
notes. On November 22 it was reported, "Around 1 AM [Lisa] punched
out a person who was being assigned to do the watch." Later the new
watch person wrote:
"I went on this watch as I had no senior to consult with at 2 am. I
went into the room & she was total Type III [Scientology's term for
psychotic]. Blabbering, incoherent nonstop. Shaking, no warm clothes on
-- a old top & shorts & shoes -- no socks. She fell asleep for 4 hours
& got up. I finally chased her around the place 50 times & got on
slacks, tee shirt, jacket, socks & shoes -- she was like an ice cube.
She talked incoherently hour after hour. She refused to eat & spit out
everything she took. Her breathe was foul. She looked ill like measles
or chicken pox on her face. Had a fever to my touch. After 1 pm she
went violent & hit me a few times telling me she was to kill me #s of
times. I called in the "guard" outside -- the fellow an HCO staff
member -- new one a Mexican gentleman. He stayed with me during the
rage -- but she still smacked me around. (I did cover & guard myself
but she was out of control). I finally got her to drink a protein shake
but she wouldn't eat or sleep any further. This lasted til 4 pm. There
was no post coverage for my library & it was very busy per Qual 1H In
fact no one was R-factored til later per the Qual 1H. I had no food,
drink or sleep the whole time. Now I'm not in uniform -- can't get back
to my room; starving -- have no $ to get food, no key to my room & out
of sorts from the whole ordeal."
On November 30 another caretaker wrote:
"She will appear to be very cooperative -- hold her mouth open, make
eye contact, at as if she is there, then close the back of her throat &
not swallow. Her voice becomes nasal & she mutters rather than
pronounce her words properly. My idea of closing her nose so she has to
swallow so she can breathe through her mouth is only marginally
successful. She either swallows & breathes or she lets everything in
her mouth come out. When she refuses to swallow & just spits everything
out I leave her alone & try again later."
December 2 the caretaker wrote "She has gotten drowsy from time to
time but at 3 AM is still awake and talking. We also cut her
fingernails. This will reduce the risk of scratches to herself & us.
She has scratches and abrasions all over her body & on elbows & knees
has pressure sores. None of them are open & none of them look
infected."
The records from the last 3 days of Lisa's stay are somehow
mysteriously missing. Scientology told the judge that they looked
everywhere, including in California. But they just could not be found.
On December 5, Lisa McPherson was taken by her caretakers to a
hospital 45 minutes away (passing three other hospitals) to a
Scientologist doctor, Dr. David Minkoff. Upon first seeing Lisa, he
later said "I was horrified, for sure." Lisa had bruises all over
her body, she was emaciated, and according to the coroner's report, she
had bug bites. Minkoff pronounced Lisa dead.
In the fall of 1995 my friends Rod, Maggie and I decided to hold a
protest of Scientology at their spiritual headquarters in Clearwater,
Florida. We chose March of 1996, near Hubbard's birthday, assuming that
there would be a good crowd of Scientologists there at that time for us
to get our message to. We had never organized a large protest like
this, but it was not as difficult on the internet because it was easier
to find other active critics. Scientology had created many critics on
the internet by attacking the free speech on different newsgroups and
web sites. They especially tried to close down
alt.religion.scientology, a freewheeling newsgroup where critics would
post articles, essays, and rants against Scientology.
People from all over the United States converged on Clearwater for
the protest. Eighteen of us picketed and held a press conference that
Scientology officials unsuccessfully tried to disrupt.
At this time Lisa's family only knew what Scientologists had told
them about Lisa's death; that she suddenly took ill and died from a
staph infection. Scientologist Brian Anderson attended Lisa's funeral
and persuaded her family that Lisa wanted to be cremated, a notion that
no family member had ever heard Lisa mention.
In November of 1996 we started planning to go back to Clearwater for
a second protest. I had been looking at Clearwater's city website for
information, when a Clearwater detective contacted me and said I should
look at a certain page on their site. It was named homicide.html and
listed three separate unexplained deaths. The police were seeking the
public's help in uncovering what happened to these people, one of whom
was named Lisa McPherson. I had never heard of her before, but I
recognized her last known residence listed, 210 S. Ft. Harrison Ave.,
as the address of Scientology's Ft. Harrison Hotel. I posted a message
to our internet newsgroup, alt.religion.scientology, to see if anyone
knew of her. No one responded. Along with a collection of other
information, I sent a brief note about Lisa to Cheryl Waldrip, the
Tampa Tribune reporter I was hoping would cover our protest.
Waldrip told me later that she at first did not think anything of
the Lisa McPherson information. But then she looked to see if there had
been an obituary. There had not. Her interest now piqued, she
contacted Lisa's family and began investigating Lisa's death. On
December 15, 1996, the first story about Lisa, titled "Mystery
surrounds Scientologist's death," was published.
The police were having trouble piecing together what happened to
Lisa so they turned to the public for help. I tried to find someone who
had heard of Lisa but failed. Cheryl Waldrip at first felt no reason to
look into her death. Lisa's story should have fallen into the cracks
of time. But somehow it came to light, also despite Scientology's
attempts to stifle the story. Brian Anderson, president of Scientology
in Clearwater, had threatened Waldrip about writing about Lisa being in
isolation: `That's completely false and there is liability if you print
that,'' he warned. ``It's not true.''
Our second picket was planned for March of 1997. But now, knowing
about Lisa's incarceration and death at the very place we were going to
picket, we decided to make her story a major part of our protest. We
also chose to hold a candlelight vigil in her honor the night of the
picket. It was strange to think that at the time she was being held
against her will, we had been planning our first protest.
In February of 1997 after learning from Waldrip's reporting what
really happened to Lisa, her family hired attorney Ken Dandar and sued
Scientology for wrongful death.
The same year, just days before we began arriving in Clearwater in
March, a woman ran sprinting barefoot from the Ft. Harrison hotel,
screaming and followed by a church security person. She ran down to the
bay and jumped in knee deep. Police quickly appeared and took the
woman, not to her church, but into state custody to be given a
psychological evaluation. She was released days later alive and
healthy, unlike Lisa McPherson.
At this second protest we had about 30 people from Germany, Sweden,
Canada, and the United States. Some people carried signs with bloodied
handprints that said "Lisa's blood on Scieno's hands" and similar
sentiments. I carried a sign with Lisa's photo. When we arrived to
protest, we saw that there were probably hundreds of Scientologists
already on the sidewalk with their own signs, such as "fight drugs,
not religion" and "Jeff Jacobsen, porno king." During the entire
protest the Scientologists would surround us with their signs in order
to hide our signs from the traffic. They would taunt us and engage in
senseless conversation.
At the candleight vigil that evening we planned to simply stand
across the street from the Ft. Harrison Hotel, light our candles, and
think of Lisa. The Scientologists showed up as well, en masse. They
yelled at us, shoved us, blew out our candles, and even got in between
a blind protester and her guide dog. The TV program Inside Edition
aired video of a Scientologist blowing out a mourner's candle.
Other media were by now picking up Lisa's story after the local
Tampa Tribune and St. Petersburg Times continued writing about it.
Several web pages also sprang up regarding Lisa's story. Mine,
lisamcpherson.org, was put up in January of 1997.
At one time it appeared to many critics that my website might be
attacked by Scientology's attorneys. In 1995 Scientology attorneys
raided the homes of some critics based on alleged copyright violations
of Scientology material. Lawsuits and threats of lawsuits had been
filed. So it was no light matter that the response of the internet
community to threats on my site was for many people in several
countries to put up copies, or mirrors, of my site. That way, even if I
did have to close my site, the material would still be publicly
available.
Our loose-knit group of Scientology critics decided the next annual
Clearwater picket would be in December 1997 to coincide with the
anniversary of Lisa's death on December 5.
That year the Scientologists held a press conference in the same
hotel as us at the same time, to dilute media attendance to ours. They
completely shut down the Ft. Harrison Hotel during our protest and put
a sign out front saying "we're out doing good." This "good"
included thousands of Scientologists circling the Clearwater Police
Department and the St. Petersburg Times offices while chanting "Sid
Klein, what's your crime!" Klein was then the long-time Chief of
Police for Clearwater. While the Scientologists were protesting, we
held our candlelight vigil unmolested.
In September of 1998 Dr. David Minkoff settled with Lisa's estate
over his role in her death. He had prescribed chloral hydrate to Lisa
at her caretakers' request, even though Minkoff had never seen Lisa. In
2001 his license would be suspended for a year for his actions.
In November of 1998 The Church of Scientology was charged by the
state of Florida with 2 felony counts; practicing medicine without a
license, and abuse of a disabled person. Considering Lisa's tortuous
death, these seemed to me to be the lightest charges the state could
find. The charges somewhat dampened Scientology's groundbreaking
ceremony for a new $60 million building across the street from the Ft.
Harrison Hotel.
About 45 of us came to Clearwater for our December 1998 picket.
That year Scientology handled our protest by getting an event permit to
use the sidewalks we were intending to use. These permits would close
the sidewalks for some Scientology event that never actually happened.
However, Rod noticed that there was a 3 hour window of time where their
permit did not apply. So I spent almost an entire day going to city and
county departments to get signatures for our own permit for that 3 hour
window. This was how it went each year; Scientology would do something
to thwart our protest, and we had to either be prepared for such a
situation or quickly do a work-around so that we could still protest.
The St. Petersburg Times wrote of our candlelight vigil that year:
"Relatives of Lisa McPherson made a tear-filled trip Saturday night to
the Scientology hotel where she spent her final days under guard and in
the grips of a mental breakdown. Her aunt and uncle, Dell and Art
Liebreich, and her cousin Kim Krenek led a group of about 60
anti-Scientology protesters who held candles and laid a wreath outside
a privacy wall at Scientology's Fort Harrison Hotel. A few feet away,
just beyond the wall, was Room 174, where McPherson is said to have
spent 17 days under the care of fellow Scientologists."
In October 1999 Scientology's attorneys filed their defense claims
against the civil case filed by Lisa's estate. Their "fourth
defense" blames Lisa for her own death:
"Plaintiff did not exercise ordinary care, caution or prudence for
her welfare to avoid the happening of the alleged incidents, injuries
or damages, if any, and by this failure to do so, Plaintiff thereby
directly and proximately contributed to, or was the sole cause of the
alleged injuries, losses and damages, if any. "
In November of that year Scientology filed papers claiming that the
signature of Lisa's mother on a document hiring Ken Dandar as estate
attorney was a forgery. This was despite there being three witnesses
who observed the signing. The forgery claim was later thrown out.
In December 1999 just before our protest, Scientology had gotten an
injunction against picketer Bob Minton after a Scientologist claimed
that Bob, a retired investment banker, had assaulted him with a picket
sign. Bob was ordered to stay 10 feet from any Scientology property
while the "victim" was ordered to stay 20 feet away from Bob.. The
next day Scientology spray painted orange dots indicating the 10 foot
line from their properties downtown. Apparently they assumed that the
injunction applied to all of us protesters, but that wasn't the case.
The city fathers got quite upset at the orange dots all over the
downtown public sidewalks, so the Scientology underlings had to go out
with buckets and wire brushes and scrub them off.
While reconnoitering the night before the picket, we saw that
Scientology had rented about a dozen U-haul trucks that were parked
around Scientology's Sandcastle Hotel. The Sandcastle was a few blocks
from the Ft. Harrison Hotel and was a secondary picketing site for us.
We assumed that the trucks would be parked on the street to hide us
picketers on the sidewalks. Dave Touretzky got the idea of parking a
car in the parking spot right across from the entrance to the hotel
parking lot, so they would not be able to block at least that parking
spot. We found a willing car owner and parked right away. The next
morning David rented a pickup and replaced the donated car. He was now
wedged in between 2 large U-haul trucks directly across from the
Sandcastle parking entrance. He and Don painted a huge sign that said
"Why Are You Hiding?" and propped it against the driver's door.
They then sat on lawn chairs in back of the truck, ordered pizza, and
handed out drinks to us other protesters. Protesting did not have to
be stressful, apparently.
The strangest and most unexpected action in 1999 was that Scientology
tore up their own sidewalks before we arrived. We had always tried to
do as many "what if" questions before each protest to anticipate
any obstruction they might place in front of us, but destroying the
sidewalks never came up. This limited where we could protest but did
not stop us. Scientology has seventeen properties in Clearwater, so
there were still a variety of places to protest.
In May of 2000 I moved to Clearwater to work as Librarian for the
Lisa McPherson Trust. The Trust, with a staff of around 8, was founded
by Bob Minton and was mostly funded by him. Our goal was to educate the
public about the dangers of Scientology and to help ex-members in any
way we could. I organized the archives, conducted research for the
staff, and wrote some articles.
The state of Florida dropped their criminal suit against Scientology
in June, claiming that their case was damaged beyond repair when
medical examiner Joan Wood changed her ruling on Lisa's death to
"accidental." Wood's court testimony explaining her change of
opinion seemed irrational, so her validity as a witness became suspect.
I was extremely upset at the attorney general's ruling because the
suit was not about the death of Lisa anyway, but rather the abusive
manner she was handled in her last days.
The day after charges were dropped, David Miscavige, worldwide leader
of Scientology, told reporters that he had offered a deal with the
state in 1998 that was rejected. The St. Petersburg Times reported:
"Drop the charges, David Miscavige told State Attorney Bernie McCabe
in November 1998, and the church would make a $500,000 donation to the
county's EMS system. It also would pay the nearly $200,000 in expenses
incurred in what then was a three-year investigation into Lisa
McPherson's 1995 death while in the care of her fellow Scientologists.
In addition, Miscavige offered to pay the $15,000 the church would have
been fined if convicted of the charges. He also promised steps to
ensure a death like McPherson's never occurred again. The church would
submit to temporary monitoring under a 'pretrial intervention program.'
It would have a doctor on call 24 hours a day at Scientology's
Clearwater operation. And it would establish a protocol with local
hospitals that detailed how Scientologists with mental problems should
be cared for in light of Scientology's vigorous opposition to
psychiatry."
One wonders why Miscavige would consider some of these steps
bargaining chips instead of actions that should have been immediately
implemented.
Just before the December 2000 protest, Scientology got a temporary
injunction naming members of the Trust and others. Anyone "in
concert" with us was bound by the injunction as well. We were ordered
to protest only in certain prescribed areas and to stay 10 feet away
from any Scientologists. Scientology's private investigators were used
to make sure every picketer was handed a copy of the injunction. The
police had a hard time deciphering the injunction, however, as we began
to picket. We eventually worked out where we could protest, and placed
"minders" near areas that we were not supposed to use. And
actually the injunction was helpful to us because it restricted how
close Scientologists could get to us as well.
By now both picketers and Scientology were aware of the value of
videotaping, so some of us picketers mostly videotaped, and several
private investigators and security staff videotaped on their side (not
to mention the 100+ installed security cameras Scientology has on their
Clearwater properties). One person suggested that if this keeps
progressing, soon these protests will just be both sides coming and
videotaping each other videotaping the other side.
For barriers that year, Scientology purchased over 100 Christmas
trees and put them side by side on a platform behind the bushes running
along the sidewalk of the Sandcastle Hotel. I'm sure it was impossible
for anyone in the hotel to see us protesting.
The December 2000 picket would be our last annual protest in
Clearwater.
Around February of 2001 I ordered a brick in honor of Lisa McPherson
to be placed in a city park that was being built in downtown
Clearwater. The brick was to say "Remember Lisa McPherson" and
would be amongst hundreds of other paving bricks purchased as a way to
raise money to create the park. There was a problem, however, because
several of the people on the steering committee organizing the park
were Scientologists. In April, Stacy Brooks, my boss and fellow brick
purchaser (hers for an ex-Scientologist friend who had died of cancer),
received a letter from the Citizens for a Better Clearwater stating
that our brick orders were being rejected because "We . . . do not feel
that we can accept donations for a brick from you and still maintain
the message of community harmony that we seek." This was quite puzzling
to me as I tried to figure out what community would be disharmonized by
a brick that said "Remember Lisa McPherson."
We were not going to stand for this censorship of our bricks, so
Stacy had the Trust's attorney contact the city. I was interviewed on
Tampa's WFLA talk radio about my brick. The St. Petersburg Times
printed a story about it. A few weeks later we got a second letter
from Citizens for a Better Clearwater, this time re-accepting the brick
orders. Apparently the city put pressure on the committee based on our
concerns for our rights of free speech.
Judge Thomas Pennick of Pinellas County on July 27, 2001, issued a
permanent injunction based on the previous injunction against ten named
people (including me) and the Lisa McPherson Trust. This injunction
applied to "those persons and entities in actual concert or
participation with" the named people as well. So whenever I would
picket in Florida from then on, anyone picketing with me would be
covered by the injunction. There was no evidence presented to the court
that I had done anything wrong.
The injunction contains colored maps of ten Scientology properties
that mark where we are allowed to protest. On top of that, the
injunction ordered us to stay ten feet away from any Scientologist.
These restrictions applied to Scientologists regarding the Lisa
McPherson Trust building as well.
The Lisa McPherson Trust closed its doors October 2001. I moved back
to Arizona. Everyone else scattered to the winds.
In April of 2002, Bob Minton did the unthinkable and testified in
court on Scientology's side against Ken Dandar. Minton had given
Dandar over $2 million to help the Lisa McPherson civil suit against
Scientology. Now Minton was claiming in court that Dandar "is a
lying thief." What had happened? No one knows for sure, but Minton
had been under constant pressure from Scientology. They were trying to
get him in trouble over a financial deal in Nigeria a few years before,
and they had followed and harassed his family.
Dandar surmised that Scientology was threatening Minton with a
racketeering suit. Perhaps the pressure finally worked on Bob. Stacy
Brooks, my boss at the Lisa McPherson Trust, had also switched sides
with Bob, telling the St. Petersburg Times that "I think he was swept
up in the idea he was really fighting evil. Neither he nor I feel that
way anymore."
In 2003 Dr. Touretzky posted on his web site (www.lisaclause.org) a
Scientology form stating that the signer did not believe in psychiatry
and that no matter what happened, he wanted to be treated for any
mental infirmity by Scientology. The form states:
"I understand that the Introspection Rundown ... includes being
isolated from ... family members, friends or others with whom I might
normally interact.... The Case Supervisor will determine the time
period in which I will remain isolated, according to the beliefs and
practices of the Scientology religion. I further specifically
acknowledge that the duration of any such isolation is uncertain,
determined only by my spiritual condition, but that such duration will
be completely at the discretion of the Case Supervisor."
In May 2004 Lisa's estate settled out of court with the Church of
Scientology for an undisclosed sum. Lisa's aunt stated that through
the lawsuit they had achieved what they set out to do, "tell the
world what happened to Lisa and obtain justice from Scientology."
The story of Lisa's final days almost didn't make it into history.
Her death at first was not even mentioned in an obituary, but now
through dozens of web sites, newspaper and magazine articles, and
coverage in other media, she has become one of the most famous
Scientologists ever. Lisa's story is a permanent reminder that there
is a dark side to the Church of Scientology.
banchukita
Thanks for this Jeff. Maybe consider sending this in as a letter to the
editor?
I didn't know about that lawsuit in 1955. Wonder if any of the exes can
shed some light on that. It's really time to speak up.
-maggie, human being
Out_Of_The_Dark
Thank you for writing this and posting it.
I pray that it reaches the heart and conscience of even one of those
scientologists who were there; someone who know what happened to the
missing log pages or who has facts that would bring insight or lead to
exposing more of the truth so that this never happens again to anyone
else; one who is ready to take a step towards truth by contacting you
in confidence.
Truth is the universal solvent and it is truth which sets us free.
Out_Of_The_Dark
Barbara Schwarz
cultxpt wrote:
> h
Very tragic, indeed. How many people died in your p$ychiatric
institution, Jeff Jay?
Exposing p$ychiatric agents and trolls:
If you are intelligent and think for yourself, they defame, libel and
abuse you as being mentally ill. If you are not intelligent and don't
think for yourself but adopt their mentally retarded, narrow, false,
insecure and hate filled opinions, they call you sane. - Thanks, I
rather be my own thinking person. -- Barbara Schwarz
Check these guys out:
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/
And by the way: Wikipedia (Wikipiggi) lies.
butterflygrrrl
Barbara Schwarz wrote:
> cultxpt wrote:
> > h
>
> Very tragic, indeed. How many people died in your p$ychiatric
> institution, Jeff Jay?
How *dare* you use someone's horrible murder to forward your own
delusional agenda?
I used to think that you were the delusional, pitiful, uneducated,
unintelligent victim of a brainwashing cult.
You are.
You are also an Evil Bitch in your own right.
Go to alt.evil.bitch.
That's where you belong.
TheFrozenThrone Ambassador
cultxpt wrote:
> http://www.lisamcpherson.org/death_of_lisa.htm
My opinion is that it was a case of demoniac possession.
I find difficult that the CoS, having an interest in killing a person,
with all reasources it has, did such spectacular show.
Without considering OT powers, they just could take you in a car
led to a desert and bury there, or use poison.
There are a lot of ways to kill a person, why a clear and
why one of them? It's very strange as murder, you don't find?
The tribunal said they are innocent, i'm wrong?
Surely there is hight responsability of the church but i don't know
how this responsability was token or why not.
Zinj
@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, davide...@gmail.com says...
<snip>
> The tribunal said they are innocent, i'm wrong?
You are wrong.
Zinj
--
You Can Lead a Clam to Reason; but You Can't Make Him Think
Out_Of_The_Dark
There are others. Many others. You just don't hear about them all
because people have been afraid to talk. I am not afraid anymore
My friend Dale Bogen was on the Introspection RD at American Saint Hill
in 1984 and apparently they thought she was safe enough to go home but
instead, she drove her car up the rode to the Los Angeles Mountain
area, got out of the car with the engine running and stuck a rag in the
exhaush pipe; she then got back in the car, locked the doors and
escaped the problem of having to endure further degradation from her
'church' by letting the carbon monoxide poison take her away from the
pain and confusion Scientology never knew how to help.
She was found in the morning. ASHO 's Bob Schaffner its the one who
informed me when I inquired months later after returning from being out
of town.
Bob, himself, died in a preventable accident but there areother
people who know aboutwhat happened to Dale Bogen and I pray they come
to their senses and contact me so the truth can be exposed.
Scientology is composed of dangerous ideas resulting in pseudohelp.
JustCallMeMary
Feisty
"cultxpt" <cul...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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A nice encaptulation of events over the years.
I remember the first picket attended was the Lisa McPherson Memorial in Los Angeles in
2002. After a long afternoon of picketing around L.A., about 7 or 8 of us stood outside
Hubbo's museum with lit candles and shared words about Lisa McPherson. Every year I
still light a candle and think of her, and other members who have disconnected and
died.
Feisty
>
Susan
"Out_Of_The_Dark" <xscilen...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I'm sorry to hear about this tragedy.
Susan
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> JustCallMeMary
>
> www.lisamcpherson.org
> www.lermanet.com
> www.xenu.net
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Simkatu
> cultxpt wrote:
>> http://www.lisamcpherson.org/death_of_lisa.htm
>
>
> My opinion is that it was a case of demoniac possession.
>
>
> I find difficult that the CoS, having an interest in killing a person,
> with all reasources it has, did such spectacular show.
>
>
> Without considering OT powers, they just could take you in a car
> led to a desert and bury there, or use poison.
>
>
> There are a lot of ways to kill a person, why a clear and
> why one of them? It's very strange as murder, you don't find?
>
>
> The tribunal said they are innocent, i'm wrong?
You are wrong. First of all, "Tribunals" do not ever declare that
someone is innocent. Even when a jury decides a case the most they ever
say is that the evidence was not sufficient to meet the standard of
"guilty beyond a reasonable doubt". Just because you are "not guilty
beyond a reasonable doubt", doesn't mean that you are declared innocent
-- it just means there wasn't enough evidence to find you guilty. This
is why you see OJ Simpson being found "not guilty" in a criminal trial,
but civilly liable for murdering his ex-wife and her boyfriend.
In the case of Lisa, there was no tribunal at all. The Church of
Scientology bribed or blackmailed the medical examiner and she changed
the death certificate years after her original findings. The medical
examiner lost her license to practice medicine because she changed the
death certificate so long after having performed the autopsy.
The Church of Scientology settled with the family of Lisa McPherson,
which just shows you that they knew they were going to be found
responsible for her death if a jury ever heard the evidence.
--
Simkatu
Larry T.
"Simkatu" <sim...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Although I feel bad for Lisa McPherson and her surviving kin, there is
something that my mother and I are not able to understand about this death.
L. Ron Hubbard states that a "Clear" {which Lisa McPherson attested to
being} is a "Well and happy high I.Q. human being who no longer has their
own reactive mind".
If Lisa was Clear then why did she go crazy like that so as to fall into the
hands of Scientologist's that killed her? Is it because she said she was
Clear when she was not? Is it because she said she was not Clear when she
was?
Less questions and more answers works best, but most people claim
Scientology killed her. That I don't believe. I believe both Lisa McPherson
AND Scientology killed Lisa McPherson.
Larry
Ball of Fluff
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>
> cultxpt wrote:
>> http://www.lisamcpherson.org/death_of_lisa.htm
>
>
> My opinion is that it was a case of demoniac possession.
Of the dipshits on the isolation watch? Well, that's one explanation for
their criminal neglect...
;->
>
>
> I find difficult that the CoS, having an interest in killing a person,
> with all reasources it has, did such spectacular show.
They weren't trying to bump her off. They were being fucking morons.
>
>
> Without considering OT powers, they just could take you in a car
> led to a desert and bury there, or use poison.
>
>
> There are a lot of ways to kill a person, why a clear and
> why one of them? It's very strange as murder, you don't find?
It was criminal negligence.
>
>
> The tribunal said they are innocent, i'm wrong?
Oh well, if the tribunal says...
>
>
>
> Surely there is hight responsability of the church but i don't know
> how this responsability was token or why not.
They put this woman in a locked room. Yes, she was raving and irrational.
But they kept her from getting medical care and they did not call her
family.
This went on 17 days. During this time she became thin and dehydrated.
Which, I assure you, didn't all happen on day 17. They watched her fade
away.
Then oops...too late..didn't get her to the hospital in time.
They didn't plan to bump her off but they sure are culpable in her death.
Did you know that her roommate and someone else (forget who) forged checks
on her account after she died?
nice!
C
TheFrozenThrone Ambassador
| Oh well, if the tribunal says...
Yes but the tribunal word has much more value of critics rumors.
In theory, in practice did you study the acts?
Why such sentence? The judge was a Scientologist too :/ ?
| Then oops...too late..didn't get her to the hospital in time.
All this is simple to explain.
Scientologist know the society don't understand them, and consider it
just like a huge entrolpical entity.
That's true, so it's normal. If you have a doc.t that is your friend in
an hospital, you skip the two nearest hospitals.
There are people who change country to have the doct. they want.
Errors in auditing may happen and may led to madness, death, suicide,
phisical damage, expetially in OT auditing.
This may happen even in solo. And of course, even with any yoga, or
meditation tequnique that can restimulate implants.
But something of similar may only be caused mostly by:
- Drug assumtion.
- Demoniac possession.
- Squirreling.
In the last case to become SP.3 you need to do something like 24h
auditing
extreme session. Have a too higter gradient in the study of materials,
and have none who controls what you are doing.
But even in the case of mad squirreling, i know only 10 person who
are so mad that could do this (and i'm beetween them), and, in 30 min
of sleep,
a good walk a shower and a litle bit of houman care you rebecome
normal.
So let me say that if it's not for the 1th and the 3th we should belive
it's for the second.
The TV.culture want make you think this happens only in Buffy
telefilms,
but there is a lot of documentation about that (like in Vatican
archives).
The school and superquark don't teach you all.
The responsability is of higther level of OT that should be very
concerned about such cases, because its theyr primary job.
Few love for a friend and to much doctrine? Maybe.
Without any doubt the church committed negligences, maybe even criminal
negligence but there was no intention to kill Lisa.
It just make no sense for me. It make sense if you hate the church
and you think it want enslave we all.
Sorry the most part of people are just repetetor of repetetor, like in
the
Orwell scenario.
The undeep and the erroneity of studies on Scientology show how many
prejudices
(and how much few logical ability) there are in houman society.
This is not my opinion it's the reality that Tv don't show you.
These are the infamouse 7 minutes you have when you try to pubblish
a story in any producer cast.
Ball of Fluff
>
>
> | Oh well, if the tribunal says...
>
> Yes but the tribunal word has much more value of critics rumors.
> In theory, in practice did you study the acts?
Which acts? Isolation watches in general? What Scn "tech" says about it?
Yes.
Or do you mean did I read extensively about Lisa McPherson's death and the
isolation watch logs?
That would also be a yes.
>
> Why such sentence? The judge was a Scientologist too :/ ?
>
Doubt it.
>
> | Then oops...too late..didn't get her to the hospital in time.
>
> All this is simple to explain.
> Scientologist know the society don't understand them, and consider it
> just like a huge entrolpical entity.
I don't give a damn. They watched her wither away and they never called her
parents.
They could see that she was losing weight and doing poorly.
Did you know that members have to sign a release that allows the church to
do this whenever they like?
I used to be a member. there's not a whole lot you can tell me about it that
I don't already know- if anything.
>
> That's true, so it's normal. If you have a doc.t that is your friend in
> an hospital, you skip the two nearest hospitals.
Not after watching the person waste away 17 days.
1st or 2nd or even 3rd or 4th day, maybe. Not frigging 17th.
>
> There are people who change country to have the doct. they want.
Not when someone's lying there dying.
>
>
> Errors in auditing may happen and may led to madness, death, suicide,
> phisical damage, expetially in OT auditing.
Maybe. I've never been one to believe all this stuff about how bad auditing
is for ya. One can find psychiatric patients in the news who commit
homicide, suicide. This doesn't mean that psychotherapy and psychiatric meds
and other treatment are no good, either, though. It means that any therapy
may stir some things up in an already disturbed person, or that they are
already in bad shape and that the therapy did not help them. Didn't harm
them, didn't help them, it just wasn't a factor.
For every person who had auditing then went nuts or remained nuts, one could
find several other people who were receiving non Scn therapies who went nuts
or remained nuts.
>
> This may happen even in solo. And of course, even with any yoga, or
> meditation tequnique that can restimulate implants.
I do yoga. It hasn't restimmed anything so far though on the Beliefnet yoga
board some people were talking about crying, in a relieved kind of way,
during certain asanas. I can imagine this happening.
Anything can touch the psyche and stir things up.
So I don't worry about it.
But I do take exception with some people holding a psychotic woman for 17
days while she gets more and more dehydrated and when she ends up dead
because of the enforced bed rest and lack of fluids which are a direct
result of the isolation watch.
If nothing else, they should have called her folks.
>
>
> But something of similar may only be caused mostly by:
>
> - Drug assumtion.
> - Demoniac possession.
> - Squirreling.
I do not believe in demons though I do believe in spirits and think a
possession infestation scenario can happen.
But I believe that most people who seem to be possessed are just psychotic.
> In the last case to become SP.3 you need to do something like 24h
> auditing
> extreme session. Have a too higter gradient in the study of materials,
> and have none who controls what you are doing.
Sure. that's overwhelm. Anyone who gets overwhelmed enough in life in any
venue is going to end up the worse for it.
> But even in the case of mad squirreling, i know only 10 person who
> are so mad that could do this (and i'm beetween them), and, in 30 min
> of sleep,
> a good walk a shower and a litle bit of houman care you rebecome
> normal.
>
>
> So let me say that if it's not for the 1th and the 3th we should belive
> it's for the second.
>
>
> The TV.culture want make you think this happens only in Buffy
> telefilms,
> but there is a lot of documentation about that (like in Vatican
> archives).
>
> The school and superquark don't teach you all.
>
>
> The responsability is of higther level of OT that should be very
> concerned about such cases, because its theyr primary job.
>
> Few love for a friend and to much doctrine? Maybe.
>
>
> Without any doubt the church committed negligences, maybe even criminal
> negligence but there was no intention to kill Lisa.
>
> It just make no sense for me. It make sense if you hate the church
> and you think it want enslave we all.
I'm ex CofS. And I think it's not a good or viable organization. I think
they prey on their members. I've seen them do it. I've experienced it.
I'm a Scn'ist, but I'm definitely ex CofS and while I don't "hate" people or
entities, my disapproval of CofS is quite strong and I think that the SO
facilities and Cadet's Org berthing are due for a government raid.
C
Out_Of_The_Dark
Susan, The mind is such a precious thing and scientology really has no
business messing with it. That is why I post about what happened to
Dale. That is why people need to read the stories of others over at
www.whyaretheydead.net
Tragic stories of people Lisa McPherson and Dale Bogen are easily
forgotten by scientologists because death is mocked as unimportant,
especially when responsibility is lacking. That is why Ben Shaw the
church pr man had "no comment"on the plane message across Clearwater's
skylinenews report the other day.
Didn't you once mention that you live above or next to a scientology
center? Well, keep in mind that any one of those students or preclears
could be next. It's that simple.
Thanks for your reply and compassion. I enjoy reading your posts and am
glad you've taken an interest in being a part of helping expose
scientology :)
JustCallMeMary
Susan
Yes, that site is an excellent example of the dark side of the cult.
>
> Tragic stories of people Lisa McPherson and Dale Bogen are easily
> forgotten by scientologists because death is mocked as unimportant,
> especially when responsibility is lacking.
The cult indoctrination is robbing them of true appreciation for life.
That is why Ben Shaw the
> church pr man had "no comment"on the plane message across Clearwater's
> skylinenews report the other day.
Well, I think that he said that to try and completely end the topic.
>
> Didn't you once mention that you live above or next to a scientology
> center? Well, keep in mind that any one of those students or preclears
> could be next. It's that simple.
I do not live particularly near a scientology center, although in the Los
Angeles/Orange county area there are several centers.
>
> Thanks for your reply and compassion. I enjoy reading your posts and am
> glad you've taken an interest in being a part of helping expose
> scientology :)
The same here for your posts and input.
Thanks,
Political views
LSD often feel like their body is burning or bugs are crawling all over it,
where they quickly take off all their clothes.
LSD also stops the person from sleeping for several days straight, sometimes
for a week or more with larger doses.
The American psychiatric hospital system today is still somewhat negligent
in properly treating LSD use or drug use in general. They will take anybody
in who has insurance or means to pay the $1,000.00 per night fees, then
immediately toss around the schizphrenia and manic depression diagnoses.
"cultxpt" <cul...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Political views
Scientology's notion that all psychiatric drugs are worthless is foolish.
Some are very helpful and needed to bring back good sleep again. Also, drugs
don't affect the mind, they only affect the body physically. A person's mind
develops by upbringing, what he learns over the years, how he properly
expresses his good morals, and similar.
LSD use will not cause any person to break the law. It does stop the person
from sleeping, and it does cause funny sensations throughout the body (a
burning feeling or bugs crawling, etc).
The way to deal with LSD is taking lithium carbonate. Lithium is the only
drug that neutralizes LSD. The person should ignore any stray, fancy thought
he or she may have, and take lithium for a few days or even a few weeks.
Remember, no drugs can make a person break the law or commit a crime. To
suggest otherwise is incorrect grammar.
"Political views" <poli...@not-any-spam.com> wrote in message
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Android Cat
> The evidence points to Lisa taking LSD, or getting a dose of it. People on
> LSD often feel like their body is burning or bugs are
> crawling all over it, where they quickly take off all their clothes.
>
> LSD also stops the person from sleeping for several days straight,
> sometimes for a week or more with larger doses.
>
> The American psychiatric hospital system today is still somewhat
> negligent in properly treating LSD use or drug use in general. They
> will take anybody in who has insurance or means to pay the $1,000.00
> per night fees, then immediately toss around the schizphrenia and
> manic depression diagnoses.
Have you known anyone else who didn't check their toothbrush after CoS paid
a visit?
--
Ron of that ilk.
butterflygrrrl
Political views wrote:
<snip>
> Remember, no drugs can make a person break the law or commit a crime. To
> suggest otherwise is incorrect grammar.
Grammar?! Do you even know what grammar is?
butterflygrrrl
Larry T. wrote:
<snip>
> L. Ron Hubbard states that a "Clear" {which Lisa McPherson attested to
> being} is a "Well and happy high I.Q. human being who no longer has their
> own reactive mind".
>
> If Lisa was Clear then why did she go crazy like that so as to fall into the
> hands of Scientologist's that killed her? Is it because she said she was
> Clear when she was not? Is it because she said she was not Clear when she
> was?
There is *no* such thing as "clear" because scientology is a lie and
all of it's batshit crazy teachings are a lie!
> Less questions and more answers works best, but most people claim
> Scientology killed her. That I don't believe. I believe both Lisa McPherson
> AND Scientology killed Lisa McPherson.
That's an insult. You're an idiot.
Keith Henson
<butterf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
snip
>There is *no* such thing as "clear" because scientology is a lie and
>all of it's batshit crazy teachings are a lie!
Short and to the point!
Keith Henson
Keith Henson
<androi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Political views wrote:
>> The evidence points to Lisa taking LSD, or getting a dose of it. People on
>> LSD often feel like their body is burning or bugs are
>> crawling all over it, where they quickly take off all their clothes.
That's an interesting speculation. Lisa as you can see from the
records was in the custody of scientology, already on a baby watch or
isolation rundown before she escaped and got in the fender bender.
And you are aware that under the supervision of scientology agents
Lisa was given two other drugs, valium and chloral hydrate. They were
illegal because they were not properly prescribed. Are you saying
Lisa was given LSD by scientology agents as well?
>> LSD also stops the person from sleeping for several days straight,
>> sometimes for a week or more with larger doses.
>>
>> The American psychiatric hospital system today is still somewhat
>> negligent in properly treating LSD use or drug use in general. They
>> will take anybody in who has insurance or means to pay the $1,000.00
>> per night fees, then immediately toss around the schizphrenia and
>> manic depression diagnoses.
You are aware that former GO/OSA agents have reported that they dosed
unsuspecting people with LSD and that Arnie reported it being done to
him when he was raided by RTC/OSA.
>Have you known anyone else who didn't check their toothbrush after CoS paid
>a visit?
The method used in the cases where scientology agents talked about it
was to put the LSD in the toothpaste, inject it right into the end of
the tube under the cap.
Is that what was done to the former medical examiner? Her testimony
would have been very inconvenient for scientology. If it was, you
must know that she spent nearly a year in the local mental ward.
Keith Henson
Beckyboo
$cientology always worse than you think.
--
Becky
RolandRB
it's even worse than that !
