Hubbard's SPs/Hitler's Jews (RVY)
Robert Vaughn Young
There is a direct parallel between Hitler's views of "Jewish vermin" and
Hubbard's views of "suppressive persons" (SPs) as well sa their "final
solutions" that I would like to make. Others might want to fill this out
with some quotes from Hubbard.
What is a "suppressive person"? Basically it is a person disagreeing with
Hubbard and/or Scientology doctrine, according to him/them. More on that
later.
Those in the RTC (Religious Technology Center) and the OSA (Office of
Special Affairs) are the ones who fervently hold to these views of SPs.
Quite honestly, most of them would honestly be shocked at the suggestion
that they view SPs the way Hitler and the Nazis viewed Jews because - in
an astounding leap of "doublethink" - they are told that THEY are the
oppressed. However when the RTC/OSA staff get to sit around and hear
reports of how this SP is under attack and that SP is under attack, they
smile and they laugh and they want to hear more. They delight in the bad
news for SPs. That is because they really don't connect SPs with being
real people any more than Jews were people. Nazis could do anything they
wanted to Jews. So RTC/OSA can do anything to SPs.
It is a long-standing Dept 20 joke that attacking an SP actually HELPS
them. It gives them "case gain." It will "make their TA move." (A complex
inside joke.)
If an SP is forced out of his job, it is good, just as it was good if a
Jew was fired or thrown out on the street. If an SP goes to a club meeting
and the membership has turned against him, it is good, as it was good for
the Jew. In fact, any misfortune is good for the SP/Jew. They deserve it,
according to Hubbard/Hitler.
The point is that there is no sense of humanity connected to what befalls
the SP, any more than there was humanity connected to the Jew. That is why
anything can be done to the SP, as it was the Jew.
When I was watching the movie "Schiendler's List," there were scenes that
chilled me in a way that is difficult to relate. For example, when the
camp commandant is shooting into the camp, using Jews as target practice.
And the scene where the commandant is walking through the ranks of Jews
and randomly shooting them in the heads while they have to stand there,
waiting to see if they are the next to die.
I watched these scenes and a chill ran through me. I had not personally
seen such acts of violence but I had seen that evil, that wish that one
could walk through the ranks of the SPs and randomly shoot them, for sheer
pleasure. I had felt the hate when it was generated and I joined in it,
laughing with the executives and the others at the misery of an "enemy,"
someone lower than I and my group.
And before anyone take too much exception with my parallel, let me make
another: segregationists and blacks. There is no doubt in my mind that
there were segregationists who would have enjoyed a camp full of blacks
that they could randomly shoot at, or kill randomly as the commandant
could. Dare we find another parallel?
My point is that evil is evil. It is not unique to a group. (American's
were shocked to learn how barbaric the Viet Nam war had made many of our
soldiers.) But this newsgroup is alt.religion.scientology and I was in
that cult for nearly 21 years and I was in the section that dealt with SPs
and I know the feeling of detached exhilaration one gets in destroying
one's "enemy." They are "out there," as if in a movie or at a sporting
event. They are not real They are not people. They do not feel or care or
love or have values that we should cherish, which merely justifies and
redefines the hate. (You can watch some of it right here on ARS.)
Hubbard's policies are filled with such propaganda to create such
attitudes, from the "Bolivar PL" where he says a true leader doesn't care
about piles of enemy bodies to policies how to "ruin" the lives of
critics. These are studied and restudied in the RTC/OSA and they seep into
the mentality so the "enemy" become like vermin/bacteria and one doesn't
cry or worry about destroying vermin.
What then is an 'SP"? The RTC/OSA speaker will say people who seek to
destroy humanity, murderers etc. But I challenge anyone to find one "SP
Declare" where murder is cited as the reason for the declare. There is
naught one. Instead, people are declared SPs for leaving the organization
without permission or speaking with the authorities or being critical of
Hubbard. SP "declarations" are used to silence, to weed out dissidents,
and to make examples of others so the rank and file learn to keep their
mouths shut.
Hubbard's "Final Solution"
Look at what Hubbard wanted to do with SPs. (There have been some good
quotes to ARS.) He believed that 2% of the population was SP and they
should be sent off to camps, their civil rights suspened, and isolated
from the rest of society. Sound familiar? That would be the camp - a camp
of SPs - where the "commandant" could use them for target practice, the
way such minds have inhumanely used others.
Or Hubbard tells how one ruler ridded his country of lepers. (If someone
could find the exact quote...) According to Hubbard, the ruler announced
had created a special kingdom for the sick and he would be taking them
there. They happily boarded a large boat that was taken to sea and the
boat sunk. As Hubbard put it, the disease was gone - and his inference is
clear.
That Hubbard would chuckle over the killing of hundreds or thousands of
lepers (while someone like Princess Diana would shake their hand) says
much for his tolerance and position as "a friend to Mankind." It takes
little to see that that is what he wanted to do that with the SP/vermin.
After all, it was cheaper than a camp.
If it sounds impossible to apologists, then they need to read some more
Hubbard. Not the milk-toast version pandered to the general public, like
photos of Hitler with children. Let's read some real Hubbard, the
confidential ones in the RTC/OSA packs. (RonIsXenu has posted some
excellent examples.) These are what they study to learn that it is alright
to ruin the life of a person, for that "person" is not a "person" but an
"SP." (Ref: Hubbard's policy, PR by redfinition of words is how he does
this. The "SP" label allows the detachment.)
And that is the detachment that is created in and by RTC/OSA.(1)
I know there are a few in there that it sometimes bothers but they have
learned to close their minds ("doublethink") and laugh at the stories of
how this SP and that SP were hit recently. They cannot speak out any more
than a Nazi officer would have spoken out. The weeding-out process to make
that jump guarantees those with greater loyalties. For someone in the
RTC/OSA to complain would make them the target of this humiliation and
harassment, starting with the RPF, Hubbard's own private "camp" where one
learns what it is like to be a "nigger" or a "kike," right down to the
armbands. "Niggers" and "kikes" didn't have rights either. Neither do SPs,
the "niggers" and "kikes" that need to be destroyed. That was the basis of
Hubbard's original Fair Game. It will be found in his writings(2) and it
will be found in the minds and actions of the RTC/OSA and those they hire.
And rising above this is Hubbard's "Homo novis," the "New Man" that
Hubbard said he was creating via his doctrines, reminiscent of the Nazi
Obermensch or superman. Hubbard saw them as his creations - made in his
image - that would rise above those "pieces of meat" he called "wogs"
[what you are before you become a Scientologist] and take over the world,
creating a new order according to his singular policies and ideas. Sound
familiar?
Obermensch - Homo Novis
Niggers/Kikes - SPs/(wogs)
Thousand Year Reich - Billion Year Contract
Concentration Camps - RPF camps
Nuremberg Rally - IAS/RTC Rally
Which reminds me of an incident in Hamburg, when I was visiting once. I
had spent several hours with the head of the Office of the Protection of
the Constitution and when we were done, he asked me if I had any pictures
of the leaders of the organization. I opened an IAS magazine and it
happened to fall to a fold-out (three page) photo spread of an IAS rally.
Before I could turn the page, the man held it open and looked. The picture
was of an event, probably at the Los Angeles Shrine Auditorium, taken from
one of the highest seats to give a wide perspective. It looked down on
spotlights, banners and flags and huge photos of Hubbard and at the center
of the stage was a lone figure, probably David Miscavige. The man beside
me paused and then looked to his aide and said one word, "Nuremberg." The
aide nodded silently, as they both looked at the photo. I did too, a chill
running through me, realizing even more why the German government watches
this group.
They have seen it before and they don't want to see it again.
Never again.
Robert Vaughn Young
wri...@eskimo.com
(1) It does not extend that much to the rank and file Scientologist. Yes,
they believe there are "SPs" but they all don't carry that evil bile in
their system that gives sadistic joy when another person is harmed. If
they do, if they can enjoy the harming or destruction of another person
for whatever reason (usually that the person deserves it), they are simply
good recruitment material for the RTC/OSA.
(2) These are far from the entirety of Hubbard's writings but this
militant hate literature - and let's call it what it is - does constitute
the core of RTC/OSA's policies. For a good example, find a copy of CSC
Pres. Jentzsch's checksheet that he turned over in a court case.
Ex Mudder
In article <5va0at$tn5$1...@eskinews.eskimo.com>, wri...@eskimo.com
(Robert Vaughn Young) wrote:
<snip>
>It is a long-standing Dept 20 joke that attacking an SP actually HELPS
>them. It gives them "case gain." It will "make their TA move." (A complex
>inside joke.)
The frightening part is that I almost get it.
<snip>
> Hubbard's "Final Solution"
>
>Look at what Hubbard wanted to do with SPs. (There have been some good
>quotes to ARS.) He believed that 2% of the population was SP and they
>should be sent off to camps, their civil rights suspened, and isolated
>from the rest of society. Sound familiar? That would be the camp - a camp
>of SPs - where the "commandant" could use them for target practice, the
>way such minds have inhumanely used others.
Close but not quite.
20% (not just 2%) should be quarantined / removed from society /
deprived their rights. Its just the recalcitrant 1.1's (2.5% of the
population, equaling 6.5 million Americans) who need to be killed.
"There are only two answers for the handling of people
from 2.0 down on the tone scale, neither one of which has anything to
do with reasoning with them or listening to their justification of
their acts. The first is to raise them on the tone scale by
un-enturbulating some of their theta by any one of the three valid
processes. The other is to dispose of them quietly and without
sorrow."
Ie, re-education or death. The "three valid processes" as I
understand them are isolation, auditing, and relocation. Look what
that did to Lisa Mcpherson.
"Adders are safe bedmates compared to people on the lower bands of the
tone scale. Not all the beauty nor the handsomeness nor artificial
social value nor property can atone for the vicious damage such people
do to sane men and women."
These people (IE, every critic on a.r.s.) are no better than Adders.
Anyone have a similar quote from Hitler re jews?
"The sudden and abrupt deletion of all individuals occupying the lower
bands of the tone scale from the social order would result in an
almost instant rise in the cultural tone and would interrupt the
dwindling spiral into which any society may have entered."
Expunging them from the human race will make the world better (like
how chasing out the Jews made the German economy better, cuz the jews
were the cause of it all).
" It is not necessary to produce a world of clears in order to to have
a reasonable and worthwhile social order; it is only necessary to
delete those individuals who range from 2.0 down, either by processing
them enough to get their tone level above the 2.0 line--a task which,
indeed, is not very great, since the amount of processing in many
cases might be under fifty hours, although it might also in others be"
How many East Germans were "processed" for 50-200 hours by the
Stasi?
in excess of two hundred--or simply quarantining them from the
society. "
Can anyone say "Concentration Camps" ?
-- L. Ron Hubbard, Science of Survival, Book I, Chapter 27 (Column
Y: Method Used By Subject To Handle Others), page 157
>
>Or Hubbard tells how one ruler ridded his country of lepers. (If someone
>could find the exact quote...) According to Hubbard, the ruler announced
This one? Or are there more?
" A venezuelan dictator once decided to stop leprosy. He saw that most
lepers in his country were also beggars. By the simple expedient of
collecting and destroying all the beggars in Venezuela an end was put
to leprosy in that country."
Ibid. (I think that's correct)
>had created a special kingdom for the sick and he would be taking them
>there. They happily boarded a large boat that was taken to sea and the
>boat sunk. As Hubbard put it, the disease was gone - and his inference is
>clear.
>
It also means that Hubbard has no problem with killing off the PTS's
(20%) just to get at the SPs (2.5%). In fact he uses an example about
how well that worked.
<snip>
>Which reminds me of an incident in Hamburg, when I was visiting once. I
>had spent several hours with the head of the Office of the Protection of
>the Constitution and when we were done, he asked me if I had any pictures
>of the leaders of the organization. I opened an IAS magazine and it
>happened to fall to a fold-out (three page) photo spread of an IAS rally.
>Before I could turn the page, the man held it open and looked. The picture
>was of an event, probably at the Los Angeles Shrine Auditorium, taken from
>one of the highest seats to give a wide perspective. It looked down on
>spotlights, banners and flags and huge photos of Hubbard and at the center
>of the stage was a lone figure, probably David Miscavige. The man beside
>me paused and then looked to his aide and said one word, "Nuremberg." The
>aide nodded silently, as they both looked at the photo. I did too, a chill
>running through me, realizing even more why the German government watches
>this group.
Hmm... can anyone get that picture and one from the third reich to
add to the "made for propaganda" page?
>
>They have seen it before and they don't want to see it again.
>
>Never again.
Ditto.
And tomorrow I get to see them doing the preliminaries in the
Federal Courthouse 15 minutes away from me. Not only does Scientology
have a tax exempt status greater than that of any other religion in
the US (such as the Catholics and Mormons), it is also the only
religion that can prevent people from practicing their faith, or even
just part of it, without permission from the cult (in the form of tax
exempt non-negotiable fixed donations), enforced by the US courts
under the IP laws.
Robert Vaughn Young
Thanks to Ex-Mudder for Hubbard's quotes. Let's lift the best parts up to
see "Mankind's greatest friend." Here's what Hubbard comes down to in
dealing with his critics:
"The sudden and abrupt deletion of all individuals occupying the lower
bands of the tone scale from the social order..."
"...dispose of them quietly and without sorrow."
And you are right, Ex-Mudder, that it is 20% that are PTS to the others
and it is 2 1/2% that need to be "deleted" from society. Quietly. (I hear
there's a gas that is pretty quiet.)
As to the Venezualan dictator, that quote supports Hubbard's views of
simply eradicating people but there is yet another quote from him re the
lepers being put on a ship. Your find will suffice to show Hubbard's sense
of "humanity."
Listen, folks, this is what Hubbard finally comes down to and what you see
re the RTC/OSA attitude towards ARS is a mere harmonic of it. You are to
be "deleted...without sorrow." And this is not Borg-talk. This is a real
organization whose objective is to remove you from their path, with the
attitude that Hubbard gave them. Read what Ex-Mudder gave us, below.
Robert Vaughn Young
wri...@eskimo.com
Ex Mudder (Xmu...@dkeith.vip.best.com) wrote:
: In article <5va0at$tn5$1...@eskinews.eskimo.com>, wri...@eskimo.com
Warrior
In article <5va0at$tn5$1...@eskinews.eskimo.com>, Robert Vaughn Young
<wri...@eskimo.com> wrote:
>
>
>There is a direct parallel between Hitler's views of "Jewish vermin" and
>Hubbard's views of "suppressive persons" (SPs) as well as their "final
>solutions" that I would like to make. Others might want to fill this out
>with some quotes from Hubbard.
>
>What is a "suppressive person"? Basically it is a person disagreeing with
>Hubbard and/or Scientology doctrine, according to him/them. More on that
>later.
>
>Those in the RTC (Religious Technology Center) and the OSA (Office of
>Special Affairs) are the ones who fervently hold to these views of SPs.
>Quite honestly, most of them would honestly be shocked at the suggestion
>that they view SPs the way Hitler and the Nazis viewed Jews because - in
>an astounding leap of "doublethink" - they are told that THEY are the
>oppressed. However when the RTC/OSA staff get to sit around and hear
>reports of how this SP is under attack and that SP is under attack, they
>smile and they laugh and they want to hear more. They delight in the bad
>news for SPs. That is because they really don't connect SPs with being
>real people any more than Jews were people. Nazis could do anything they
>wanted to Jews. So RTC/OSA can do anything to SPs.
The "Fair Game" policy by Hubbard authorizes and encourages such
treatment. In HCO PL 18 October 1967 Issue IV Hubbard wrote:
"Enemy - SP Order. Fair game. May be deprived of property or
injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline
of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed."
>It is a long-standing Dept 20 joke that attacking an SP actually HELPS
>them. It gives them "case gain." It will "make their TA move." (A complex
>inside joke.)
Hubbard wrote that "Scientology is the only game in the universe
where _everyone_ wins." Even an SP is "helped" when he is "handled"
(even if he "drops his body" - dies) because he will then have a chance
to come back in the next life (Scientologists believe in reincarnation)
and start over again. In the meantime, with the SP removed from the
environment, society will experience a rise in cultural tone.
Hubbard wrote in _Science of Survival_, book one, page 157:
"The sudden and abrupt deletion of all individuals occupying the
lower bands of the tone scale from the social order would result
in an almost instant rise in the cultural tone and would inter-
rupt the dwindling spiral into which any society may have entered."
>If an SP is forced out of his job, it is good, just as it was good if a
>My point is that evil is evil. It is not unique to a group. (Americans
>were shocked to learn how barbaric the Viet Nam war had made many of our
>soldiers.) But this newsgroup is alt.religion.scientology and I was in
>that cult for nearly 21 years and I was in the section that dealt with SPs
>and I know the feeling of detached exhilaration one gets in destroying
>one's "enemy." They are "out there", as if in a movie or at a sporting
>event. They are not real. They are not people. They do not feel or care or
>love or have values that we should cherish, which merely justifies and
>redefines the hate. (You can watch some of it right here on ARS.)
>
>Hubbard's policies are filled with such propaganda to create such
>attitudes, from the "Bolivar PL" where he says a true leader doesn't care
>about piles of enemy bodies to policies how to "ruin" the lives of
>critics. These are studied and restudied in the RTC/OSA and they seep into
>the mentality so the "enemy" become like vermin/bacteria and one doesn't
>cry or worry about destroying vermin.
HCO PL 12 February 1967 _Admin Know-How The Responsibilities of
Leaders_, by L. Ron Hubbard says on page 9, last paragraph:
"He [the leader, or 'power'] doesn't have to know all the bad news
and if he's a power really he won't ask all the time, 'What are
all those dead bodies doing at the door?' And if you are clever,
you never let it be thought HE killed them - that weakens you and
also hurts the power source. 'Well, boss, about all those dead bodies,
nobody at all will suppose you did it. *She* over there, those pink
legs sticking out, didn't like me.' 'Well,' he'll say if he really
is a power, 'why are you bothering me with it if it's done and you
did it. Where's my blue ink?' Or 'Skipper, three shore patrolmen
will be along soon with your cook, Dober, and they'll want to tell
you he beat up Simpson.' 'Who's Simpson?' 'He's a clerk in the
enemy office downtown.' 'Good, when they've done it, take Dober
down to the dispensary for any treatment he needs. Oh yes. Raise
his pay.' Or 'Sir, could I have the power to sign divisional orders?'
'Sure.' "
>What then is an 'SP"? The RTC/OSA speaker will say people who seek to
>destroy humanity, murderers etc. But I challenge anyone to find one "SP
>Declare" where murder is cited as the reason for the declare. There is
>naught one. Instead, people are declared SPs for leaving the organization
>without permission or speaking with the authorities or being critical of
>Hubbard. SP "declarations" are used to silence, to weed out dissidents,
>and to make examples of others so the rank and file learn to keep their
>mouths shut.
>
> Hubbard's "Final Solution"
>
>Look at what Hubbard wanted to do with SPs. (There have been some good
>quotes to ARS.) He believed that 2% of the population was SP and they
>should be sent off to camps, their civil rights suspened, and isolated
>from the rest of society. Sound familiar? That would be the camp - a camp
>of SPs - where the "commandant" could use them for target practice, the
>way such minds have inhumanely used others.
>
>Or Hubbard tells how one ruler ridded his country of lepers. (If someone
>could find the exact quote...) According to Hubbard, the ruler announced
>had created a special kingdom for the sick and he would be taking them
>there. They happily boarded a large boat that was taken to sea and the
>boat sunk. As Hubbard put it, the disease was gone - and his inference is
>clear.
_Science of Survival_, book one, page 157, Hubbard wrote:
"By the simple expedient of collecting and destroying all the
beggars in Venezuela an end was put to leprosy in that country."
>
Hubbard, from _Science of Survival_:
"There are only two answers for the handling of people from 2.0 down
on the tone scale, neither of which has anything to do with reason-
ing with them or listening to their justification of their acts.
The first is to raise them on the tone scale...by any one of the
three valid processes. The other is to dispose of them quietly and
without sorrow."
"It is not necessary to produce a world of clears in order to have a
reasonable and worthwhile [!] social order; it is only necessary to
delete those individuals who range from 2.0 down, either by processing
them enough to get their tone level above the 2.0 line...or simply
quarantining them from society."
Tilman Hausherr
In <5va0at$tn5$1...@eskinews.eskimo.com>, wri...@eskimo.com (Robert Vaughn
Young) wrote:
>I watched these scenes and a chill ran through me. I had not personally
>seen such acts of violence but I had seen that evil, that wish that one
>could walk through the ranks of the SPs and randomly shoot them, for sheer
>pleasure. I had felt the hate when it was generated and I joined in it,
>laughing with the executives and the others at the misery of an "enemy,"
>someone lower than I and my group.
I certainly feel the hate coming from wgert and RonsAmigo and
MikeSmith3. There is a real possibility that they come here to Berlin,
and while having a break from their small hate fest, that they make
their private little "final PTS/SP handling solution" to get their 10
minutes of admiration by the little rear admiral.
>(1) It does not extend that much to the rank and file Scientologist. Yes,
>they believe there are "SPs" but they all don't carry that evil bile in
>their system that gives sadistic joy when another person is harmed. If
>they do, if they can enjoy the harming or destruction of another person
>for whatever reason (usually that the person deserves it), they are simply
>good recruitment material for the RTC/OSA.
I'm not really sure about this. The articles in the scientology
magazines have often a tone "Ding, dong, the SP is bankrupt", and
scientologists sooner or later become what they read. Hate, hate, hate.
In all these years there has not a single scientologist who has said
publicly that they disagree with the behaviour of their "church" (except
three people, who left the cult shortly after that)
Every scientologist who reads this newsgroup knows that evil is coming
from the "church", and with his silence, is supporting it.
Tilman
--
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Robert Vaughn Young wrote:
>
> Thanks to Ex-Mudder for Hubbard's quotes. Let's lift the best parts up
> to
> see "Mankind's greatest friend." Here's what Hubbard comes down to in
> dealing with his critics:
>
> "The sudden and abrupt deletion of all individuals occupying the lower
> bands of the tone scale from the social order..."
>
> "...dispose of them quietly and without sorrow."
As it is, the PhatMan did apply, for once, what he said: he disposed of
himself quietly and without sorrow (our sorrow). Could we imagine
better? No. He really was a genius able to dispose quietly (amongst many
BTs and clusters 'created' by his own -then obvious - crazyness. No
peace to his soul.
Roger
>