aka DavidP111, who has posted here and on other eckankar history
boards.
TuzaHu also posted to Ford's HCS bulletin board.
Doug Marman mentions him on 01/01/2004
Quote: "To begin with I will offer up information on your quote that
reported Gail, Paul Twitchell's wife, as saying that Paul made up the
whole Eckankar thing. In Chapter 10 of your book, you reference your
source for this information being a website showing some Internet
posts by a Tuzahu. Unfortunately, this person who posted under the
name of Tuzahu has been shown to have written a whole slew of outright
lies.
For example, in that same series of posts that you reference, Tuzahu
claims that Paul's first wife finally had it with Paul over his
womanizing when Paul met Gail. Elsewhere he has claimed that Paul's
first wife told him that she divorced Paul after he met Gail. In fact
this is false, as records show that Paul and his first wife were
divorced many years before he met Gail.
Tuzahu also in another string of emails made the claim that he had met
with Brad Steiger and the Brad had played for Tuzahu some of his hours
and hours of taped interviews with Paul, showing how Paul and Brad had
made his early childhood history up. Tuzahu claimed the he cried for
days after hearing Paul's own voice. I contacted Brad Steiger myself
to verify this. Brad was shocked and wrote back, why would anyone tell
a lie like that? Brad said that there wasn't even an ounce of truth in
it. In fact, Brad and Paul never met for interviews and so there were
no taped meetings. Tuzahu also claimed that Brad had written some of
the Eckankar books, even though they had Paul's name as the author.
Brad said this was also a lie, along with a number of other claims
this person made.
My point is that unfortunately the outright lies of this source, I
think you will agree, make him very unreliable. This doesn't prove
that what he has reported about Gail is false, but it sure does prove
that it can't be taken as truth without something more to prove that
it is true. Wouldn't you agree?
For example, Tuzahu claims that he recorded the conversation and has
it on tape, as well as hours of conversations with Paul's first wife.
I have already written to him asking if he would share the
information, since like you I am interested in the truth coming out on
these things. I received no response from him. If he can produce the
taped conversation, that would indeed be proof and worthy of
reporting. However, if he does not, I think you will understand my
point that as things stand today these comments are nothing but
unsubstantiated rumors from a highly unreliable source. "
end quote
http://www.thetruth-seeker.com/dispBB.aspx?st=141&page=180
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Doug speaks about TuzaHu again here in Chapter 11 of his online book:
(I can not see if it is in TWT book or in Chp 11)
Quote: "However, perhaps the most significant problem with David's
argument that Paul was trying to cover up his past, came after I read
the following post on David's ECKANKAR newsgroup, written by an ECKist
who posted under the name of TuzaHu:
I got in Eckankar when I was in the 8th grade. A local neighbor
introduced me to the teaching who knew Paul back in the old days with
Kirpal Singh (Vandella Walker) who, at the time was the highest
initiate in ECK (a 7th at the time). Through Vandella I got to spend a
lot of time with Paul...
This was when I was a new Eckist in Ohio. I got in Eck in 1968
and can remember when Paul had a good deal of hair left!!!
After reading this, I then remembered how many of the early
ECKists had followed Paul from Kirpal's group and from L. Ron
Hubbard's group. The idea of Paul trying to cover up or deny his
previous associations with those teachers is ridiculous. There were
way too many in ECK who knew all about Paul's past. David's whole
theory just doesn't work.
TuzaHu went on to write some other interesting things about the
interesting time he spent with Camille Ballowe, Paul's first wife:
Off the top of my head I can recall a few interesting things. She
and Paul dated in High School...
Paul also was involved in the beginning of Scientology and wanted
to teach Soul Travel but L. Ron would have nothing to do with it. [I
have heard this same thing from a number of old timers, even though
David refuses to accept it. DM.]
Paul was a promoter for a while with actor Jimmy Durante and
baseball star Dizzy Dean...Paul was a born promoter...
Paul was practicing forms of Astral Projection, as it sounds from
his early years according to her. He would sit for hours at the
kitchen table staring into a flame from an oil lamp he had. He did
that for years, hours on end. He later wrote and published a song that
was recorded called "the Lamp."
According to her Paul had a deep spiritual side, he read the
Bible almost every day for many years along with other spiritual
books. His interest in out of the body movement was his main interest,
but little was written about it. He called it dreamwalking at the
time. He wanted to control and teach it from the time they married.
This information completely undermines the idea that David has
tried to promote; that Paul learned out of the body travel from Swami
Premananda and Kirpal Singh, in the 50's. In fact, Paul had always
been interested in spiritual truth, as Camille said, even in his
teens."
end quote
http://www.littleknownpubs.com/Dialog_Ch_Eleven.htm
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In Jan 2000
From
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/eckankarhistory (DL old site)
Another x-Eckist
tuzahu (41/M/Phoenix, Arizona)
1/27/00 6:16 am
I just discovered this site. I was in Eckankar from 1968-1979 when
Darwin kicked me out after spending 9 days with Paul's first wife,
Camille, his sister in law and other Twitchell family members. I had
many questions about In My Soul that Darwin did not want
asked...so...out the back door I went!!!
I have a long, amazing story about those times and the reactions I got
from my Eck friends but that was then and this is now. I did get to
spend a good deal of time with Paul in the early years including being
one of the last to see him alive and one of the first to see him in
death.
http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/eckankarsurvivors/tuzahu.html
Also this :: which is where Doug selected the information he shared
above.
Reply Re: Another x-Eckist
tuzahu(45/M/Phoenix, Arizona)
1/31/00 9:39 pm
Who got the Steiger tapes?
(Did you write up anything on your 9 days with Camille? Whatever
happened to Vandilla Walker and Mary Hald? Did Vandilla talk to you
about Kirpal Singh? )
I looks like my first post of the day did not make it to Yahoo...I
will have to rewrite it...telling about getting into Eck and the night
Paul Twitchell died...I was there with him minutes before he died and
shortly after his death and before the paramedics arrived. I was with
Vandella when she told Gail Paul had died...so give me a day or so and
I will rewrite that part. I see my 'part 2" made it though
I have written transcrips of my time with Paul's first wife at the
time, someplace in storage, also have many hours of tape of interview
with her.
Off the top of my head I can recall a few interesting things. She and
Paul dated in Highschool. Paul was sterile...so they never had any
children. This was good for Paul because he LOVED women and lots of
them. He dated Hollywood starlett...Jinx Falkenberg and Semi- screen
star Ruth Savage for a time while married to Camille. She put up a lot
of his running around. In the late 40's and early 50's they lived in
Washington DC. Paul had several affairs there with the Kirpal Singh
group. Paul also was involved in the beginning of Scientology and
wanted to teach Soul Travel but Ron L. would have nothing to do with
it.
Paul was a promoter for a while with actor Jimmy Durante and baseball
star Dizzy Dean...whom fired Paul after he absconded with some
cash...at least Dizzy accused him of that...
Paul was a born promoter. His wife told me that Paul would attend
county fairs and pay to have himself paged so people would hear his
name. She gave me a post card Paul had made up in the early 1940's of
a lavish mansion...printed on the front was "home of Paul Twitchell
American Author" of course, Paul had never lived there.
Paul never traveled out of the USA except to go the the Canadian side
of Niagara Falls...so he never did go to India..she read In My Soul
and just laughted..."that's Paul," she would say!!!!
She finally had it out with Paul over Gail...she had put up with his
womanizing for long enough. They were married just over 20 years. She
said Paul's favorite phrase to say was, "Razamataz.." Kind of sounds
like Rebazar Tarzs, huh???
Paul was practicing forms of Astral Projection, as it sounds from his
early years according to her. He would sit for hours at the kitchen
table staring into a flame from an oil lamp he had. He did that for
years...hours on end. He later wrote and published a song that was
recorded called "the Lamp'
According to her Paul had a deep spiritual side, he read the Bible
almost every day for many years along with other spiritual books. His
interest in out of the body movement was his main interest but little
was written about it. He called it dreamwalking at the time. He wanted
to control and teach it from the time they married.
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DavidP111 again .. aka TuzaHu
Mar 1, 2003
Then again, would you have come to this realization had you NOT bought
the
discourses or the tapes or the jewelry? Isn't life about experiences,
burning your hand on the stove or finding new ways to see the world?
Burning
your hand on the stove doesn't mean the stove is bad, it just means
respect
it, learn to use it not be used BY it.
I was very angry and hurt after finding out the lies Paul and Darwin
told me.
In fact, I was a mess. But, I'm over it. Lesson's learned. And to tell
the truth, I use much of what I learned from them to this very day.
I'm no
longer in the victim role, but just look back and see I took an
interesting
side trip and made some friends that one way or another, taught me
some
valuable lessons.
I'm strong today. Actually, I'm grateful for what I've learned from
Paul and
Darwin. Not that forgives what they did, but I am in contol of my own
viewpoint and rather than toss the baby out with the wash water, I
athink of
Paul and Darwin, I have some fond memories. I spent a good deal of
time with
Paul, he was very kind to me. I remember how funny Darwin was drunk
and high
as we tried to get him together to go on stage at a seminar.
Crazy, huh? And people in the thousands sat there paying loads of
money to
fly around the world to gain some insight from a man that was just
doing his
best not to fall off the bar stool.
Lessons learned...
Some people need to make great strides in life. Others are thrilled to
see a
butterfly flutter by. There are always both kinds on the planet,
always have
and always will. You don't have to dangle a very big carrot to get
some
people's attention.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eckankartruth/message/2618
all posts
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eckankartruth/msearch?query=davidrobert111&pos=0&cnt=10
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Another a.r.e. post by Doug in Dec 2003, about TuzaHu
DOUG RESPONDS:
Hey Brother,
It's interesting that you posted this, since I was just reading Ford's
book and
have found that he did indeed give a reference to his quote about
Gail's
comment that what Paul created was a fraud.
And guess what? Sean was right.
In Chapter 10 of Ford's book, he has a footnote (number 9) in the back
of the
book in reference to the quote: "See Message 386 at
http://www.angelfire.com/sys/popup_source.shtml?search_string=tuzahu."
Tuzahu is the person who also posted as DavidP111, who told the
longest string
of intentional lies we've seen on a.r.e. so far. This is who Sean
suspected was
the source.
This is exactly why it is useful to have references to facts that make
such
accusations. Now we can decide if it is a source we trust, is it a
solid fact
verified by multiple sources (what journalists usually require)?
As for Paul's comments: I think if he makes assertions that can't be
verified,
then we should simply take them as a story. There is no need to be
swayed one
way or the other by such things, unless we have some way of verifying
these
things for ourselves.
Yes, it does work both ways. I agree with that.
Doug.
end quote
thread link - Leaf, Doug & Sean :-)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.eckankar/browse_frm/thread/6c64c4226af4b902/1df161413578f81c?lnk=gst&q=tuzahu#1df161413578f81c
or
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.eckankar/msg/4d13e17745f99040
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Did anyone follow any of that? If you did, then well done! <G>