DRY UP - GORE WON
Loki
Had the ballots been constructed in a much more user-friendly fashion,
the Royal Fraudulency King George II would not be in office.
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they slander each other constantly with the vilest forms
of abuse, and cannot come to any sort of agreement in
their teaching. Each sect brands its own, fills the head
of its own with deceitful nonsense..." - Celsus, "On the True Doctrine"
Jihad
and Merciful).
Thus spake Teresita <rubyre...@aol.com> :
>In article <3aac9b66...@news.shadrach.net>, lo...@shadrach.net says...
>>
>>http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/news/election2000_overvote_gore.html
>>
>>Had the ballots been constructed in a much more user-friendly fashion,
>>the Royal Fraudulency King George II would not be in office.
>
>Had the voters requested another ballot when they realized they punched two
>holes for President, they wouldn't have had their ballots discarded. This
>isn't kindergarten. Welcome to the major leagues.
Just further proof that the US Government cannot be trusted.
"Jihad"
Ordained ULC Imam
Doug
>
> http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/news/election2000_overvote_gore.html
>
> Had the ballots been constructed in a much more user-friendly fashion,
> the Royal Fraudulency King George II would not be in office.
I prefer to have literate people voting.
Doug
>
> http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/news/election2000_overvote_gore.html
>
> Had the ballots been constructed in a much more user-friendly fashion,
> the Royal Fraudulency King George II would not be in office.
Why not just conceded that many democrats can't read or follow simple
instructions?
Let's have ballots with the pictures of the candidates on them where
people can mark them with a big "X" next to the one they want.
Better yet, they can cross out the ones that they don't want.
Loki
>In article <3aac9b66...@news.shadrach.net>, lo...@shadrach.net says...
>>
>>http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/news/election2000_overvote_gore.html
>>
>>Had the ballots been constructed in a much more user-friendly fashion,
>>the Royal Fraudulency King George II would not be in office.
>
>Had the voters requested another ballot when they realized they punched two
>holes for President, they wouldn't have had their ballots discarded. This
>isn't kindergarten. Welcome to the major leagues.
Ah, but that's just it. A lot of them did - especially blacks. And
guess what? They were told they could not.
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Loki
>Let's have ballots with the pictures of the candidates on them where
>people can mark them with a big "X" next to the one they want.
>
>Better yet, they can cross out the ones that they don't want.
Those would both be a lot more effective than the confusing butterfly
ballots. Especially for senior citizens whose eyesight is poor.
The Owen
Whining about the user is no excuse for bad User Interface.
The faults in the punch-card system have been known for a long time.
--
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a/a #1883
Dedicated CLuM
EAC UK Section Trollologist
Jihad
and Merciful).
You prefer to have only white anglo-saxon protestants voting. But the
supreme Court, about 30 years ago,forbade using literacy as a
qualification for voting.
"Jihad"
Ordained ULC Imam
Medieval Knievel, the Adonis of Oklahoma
"Doug" <jaco...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> I prefer to have literate people voting.
So are you advocating a literacy test?
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Brian E. Clark
> I prefer to have literate people voting.
While we're at it, I propose that we refuse the vote to anyone
who does not know which wine complements fillet mignon.
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brian -at- telerama -dot- com
Cats do stumble, yes, but no cat has yet
acknowledged it.
Brian E. Clark
> Why not just conceded that many democrats can't read or follow simple
> instructions?
Why not just concede that the ballots were faulty? A form that
confuses so many people must be flawed. Aside from your bias
against "liberals," you have no reason to suspect the people
involved were any less intelligent than voters elsewhere.
John Hattan
>Doug (jaco...@pacbell.net) wrote:
>
>> I prefer to have literate people voting.
>
>While we're at it, I propose that we refuse the vote to anyone
>who does not know which wine complements fillet mignon.
If Doug had it his way, all those who disagree with his position would
be denied the vote for the simple reason that they would be dead.
Andrew Lias
Brian E. Clark <lo...@sig.for.address> wrote:
>Doug (jaco...@pacbell.net) wrote:
>
>> I prefer to have literate people voting.
>
>While we're at it, I propose that we refuse the vote to anyone
>who does not know which wine complements fillet mignon.
Would that be some sort of talking cartoon wine (perhaps with an
outrageous French accent)?
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Hunter Int.
You said...
>Just further proof that the US Government cannot be trusted.
Well, my friend, neither can you. For, just two days, ago I was "Cunter"
and "wanker," all because you felt I deserved it. Furthermore, I've been
asking you repeatedly for the name of this prison which contains your so
called "religion hating bigoted fundie" Chaplain you've talked about so
much. I've yet to see an answer from you.
Please, for the fifth time, give me the name of the prison, and I'll do the
rest.
Jihad, you're not a very honest Muslim, and as such you must not be taking
this passage from your Qur'an very seriously...
Sura 71, Noah
3. That you should serve Allah and keep your duty to Him and obey me--
4. He will forgive you *some* of your sins and grant you respite to an
appointed term.
Man, that's real merciful alright. He could forgive some, but not all.
Quite capricious on his part, wouldn't you say...?
Warmest regards,
Dave...
Jihad <1gra...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message ...
Doug
>
> Doug (jaco...@pacbell.net) wrote:
>
> > Why not just conceded that many democrats can't read or follow simple
> > instructions?
>
> Why not just concede that the ballots were faulty? A form that
> confuses so many people must be flawed.
It didn't confuse a classroom full of elementary school kids.
Doug
>
> "Doug" <jaco...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:3AACEE9E...@pacbell.net...
>
> > I prefer to have literate people voting.
>
> So are you advocating a literacy test?
So the students who you teach would never pass.
John Hattan
Doug
As I noted it was my preference. The fact that we still have ballots
with words seems to fly in the face of your contention, though.
Loki
... Who generally have perfect eyesight, unlike many elderly people.
Loki
wrote:
>Doug <jaco...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>>"Medieval Knievel, the Adonis of Oklahoma" wrote:
>>> "Doug" <jaco...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>>> news:3AACEE9E...@pacbell.net...
>>>
>>> > I prefer to have literate people voting.
>>>
>>> So are you advocating a literacy test?
>>
>>So the students who you teach would never pass.
>
>Doug's reasoning is sounding more and more familiar.
There's reasoning involved?
>---
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--
M. Clark
the voting places in the first place because the pro-Gore media had
prematurely claimed victory for Gore. This ballot issue is consequently
just another act of defiance.
M. Clark
John Hattan
>We'll never know how many pro-Bush voters were discouraged from going to
>the voting places in the first place because the pro-Gore media had
>prematurely claimed victory for Gore.
When did that happen? I was watching CNN, and they mistakenly projected
Gore as the winner around 7:00 Texas time or 8:00 Florida time --hours
after the polls were closed.
Do you know of a media outlet that made such an announcement before the
polls closed in Florida?
Ken Smith
> idont...@toemail.com (M. Clark) wrote:
>
> >We'll never know how many pro-Bush voters were discouraged from going to
> >the voting places in the first place because the pro-Gore media had
> >prematurely claimed victory for Gore.
>
> When did that happen? I was watching CNN, and they mistakenly projected
> Gore as the winner around 7:00 Texas time or 8:00 Florida time --hours
> after the polls were closed.
>
> Do you know of a media outlet that made such an announcement before the
> polls closed in Florida?
My understanding was that they made the call about five minutes before
the polls closed in the Panhandle -- IOW, if you weren't in line then, you
probably weren't going to vote anyway. It had no effect.
It may have had an effect on a few California congressional races, but
no one was expecting Bush to be competitive there anyway.
Medieval Knievel, the Adonis of Oklahoma
Your lame attempt at sarcasm is noted.
Frank Wustner
> http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/news/election2000_overvote_gore.html
> Had the ballots been constructed in a much more user-friendly fashion,
> the Royal Fraudulency King George II would not be in office.
Who fucking cares anymore? Bush or Gore, either way we would have
had a loser. Both parties are totally corrupt, caring only for
winning office rather than actually governing.
And you know what? I can scare up my own sources that say exactly
the opposite; that on recount, Bush still wins. Even this tripe
still falls down to partisan sniping.
*IT DOESN'T MATTER ANYMORE!!*
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Frank Wustner
> lo...@shadrach.net says...
> >http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/news/election2000_overvote_gore.html
> >Had the ballots been constructed in a much more user-friendly fashion,
> >the Royal Fraudulency King George II would not be in office.
> Had the voters requested another ballot when they realized they punched two
> holes for President, they wouldn't have had their ballots discarded. This
> isn't kindergarten. Welcome to the major leagues.
Excuse you, that is bullshit. It is *not legal* to give people a
second ballot in any jurisdiction I've ever heard about, including
the parts of Florida where this bungle took place.
With that aside, I've not ever heard one impartial analysis on just
how pervasive this problem really was. There are bungles in every
election just like the one in Florida. To the best of my knowledge
nobody has ever actually compared this election's problems to any
other election's, except for the purpose of partisan arguing.
In other words, I don't believe anybody who says that ballots were
thrown out, or that anobody actively encouraged people to not vote,
or any other such claim. It has all been just bickering and mud
slinging.
Dethstryk
>Had the ballots been constructed in a much more user-friendly fashion,
>the Royal Fraudulency King George II would not be in office.
King George II? Does this mean we're going to have another French & Indian
War? (Seven Years War to all of you Europeans.)
------------------------
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jema...@tcainternet.com
Fred Stone
> Teresita <rubyre...@aol.com> wrote:
> > lo...@shadrach.net says...
>
> > >http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/news/election2000_overvote_gore.html
>
> > >Had the ballots been constructed in a much more user-friendly fashion,
> > >the Royal Fraudulency King George II would not be in office.
>
> > Had the voters requested another ballot when they realized they punched two
> > holes for President, they wouldn't have had their ballots discarded. This
> > isn't kindergarten. Welcome to the major leagues.
>
> Excuse you, that is bullshit. It is *not legal* to give people a
> second ballot in any jurisdiction I've ever heard about, including
> the parts of Florida where this bungle took place.
>
> With that aside, I've not ever heard one impartial analysis on just
> how pervasive this problem really was. There are bungles in every
> election just like the one in Florida. To the best of my knowledge
> nobody has ever actually compared this election's problems to any
> other election's, except for the purpose of partisan arguing.
>
> In other words, I don't believe anybody who says that ballots were
> thrown out, or that anobody actively encouraged people to not vote,
> or any other such claim. It has all been just bickering and mud
> slinging.
Truly.
All this has concentrated on Florida and how baaaaaad we were;
I'd like to see the results of the same scrutiny given to Ohio or
California, just for some basis of comparison.
--
Fred Stone
aa # 1369
"There was a time when religion ruled the world.
It is known as the Dark Ages."
Ruth Hermence Green
Chris Nelson
> Loki wrote:
> >
> >
http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/news/election2000_overv
ote_gore.html
> >
> > Had the ballots been constructed in a much more
user-friendly fashion,
> > the Royal Fraudulency King George II would not be in
office.
>
follow simple
> instructions?
>
them where
> people can mark them with a big "X" next to the one they
want.
>
> Better yet, they can cross out the ones that they don't
want.
The instructions clearly stated that you are to punch the
hole to the right of the name. The Butterfly ballot,
however, included holes that you punch to the left of the
name. How can you be expected to follow instructions if they
are wrong?
Alignment problems led to ambiguity for Gore voters, while
Bush voters had no ambiguity whatsoever - Bush's name was
first, and his hole was the first. Had Gore's name been
first and Bush's in the position that Gore's was in, Bush
voters would have made the same mistake.
--
Chris Nelson
AUDIO VIDEO DISCO - "I hear, I see, I learn"
Loki
<c...@chrisnelsonREMOVETHIS.net> wrote:
>The instructions clearly stated that you are to punch the
>hole to the right of the name. The Butterfly ballot,
>however, included holes that you punch to the left of the
>name. How can you be expected to follow instructions if they
>are wrong?
>
>Alignment problems led to ambiguity for Gore voters, while
>Bush voters had no ambiguity whatsoever - Bush's name was
>first, and his hole was the first. Had Gore's name been
>first and Bush's in the position that Gore's was in, Bush
>voters would have made the same mistake.
Actually, not totally true. Bush DID lose some votes due to the
butterfly ballots too. Granted, nowhere near what Gore lost, but he
did lose some, where people voted for him and (I think?) the socialist
candidate.
>--
>Chris Nelson
>
>AUDIO VIDEO DISCO - "I hear, I see, I learn"
--
Loki
Wustner) wrote:
>lo...@shadrach.net (Loki) wrote:
>
>> http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/news/election2000_overvote_gore.html
>
>> Had the ballots been constructed in a much more user-friendly fashion,
>> the Royal Fraudulency King George II would not be in office.
>
>Who fucking cares anymore? Bush or Gore, either way we would have
>had a loser. Both parties are totally corrupt, caring only for
>winning office rather than actually governing.
>
>And you know what? I can scare up my own sources that say exactly
>the opposite; that on recount, Bush still wins. Even this tripe
>still falls down to partisan sniping.
>
>*IT DOESN'T MATTER ANYMORE!!*
I think it does. It proves a candidate and his brother can rig an
election and most people will say, "It doesn't matter, let's move on!"
>--
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>http://members.tripod.com/~deadly_nightshade/
>
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>|past from the disposal, wiping it |-----------------------------------|
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>|and recycling it for more than | above and email me from there. |
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Doug
> The instructions clearly stated that you are to punch the
> hole to the right of the name. The Butterfly ballot,
> however, included holes that you punch to the left of the
> name. How can you be expected to follow instructions if they
> are wrong?
>
> Alignment problems led to ambiguity for Gore voters, while
> Bush voters had no ambiguity whatsoever - Bush's name was
> first, and his hole was the first. Had Gore's name been
> first and Bush's in the position that Gore's was in, Bush
> voters would have made the same mistake.
Funny how the class of elementary school kids figured it out.
Loki
Funny how they're not elderly with poor eyesight.
Funny how you have yet to come up with one of your witty "zingers" for
that fact.
--
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Medieval Knievel, the Adonis of Oklahoma
"Loki" <lo...@shadrach.net> wrote in message
news:3aae0b62...@news.shadrach.net...
> Funny how they're not elderly with poor eyesight.
>
> Funny how you have yet to come up with one of your witty "zingers" for
> that fact.
It's not funny--it's just Doug's patent dishonesty at work.
Remember, he's a xian, and therefore patently dishonest at his core. As
well as petty and inhuman.
John P. Boatwright
>
> http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/news/election2000_overvote_gore.html
>
> Had the ballots been constructed in a much more user-friendly fashion,
> the Royal Fraudulency King George II would not be in office.
ha ha ha...
You're dreaming.
At last count, Bush won about 60 times, and about 3 or 4 times
that amount near the end of 2000. If you had another 200 election
counts, Bush would still keep winning. Bush is clearly a stud when
it comes to winning the election.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://www.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Ron Carnell
>
> >*IT DOESN'T MATTER ANYMORE!!*
>
> I think it does. It proves a candidate and his brother can rig an
> election and most people will say, "It doesn't matter, let's move on!"
Let the dismantling of the government for the exclusive benefit of the richest
1% of Americans begin.
The type of people who support the likes of Bush, would eat shit with a mellon
baller if it came with a tax "break."
As an aside, it will be somewhat satisfying when most of the middle-class, Bush
'n Bible sucklers start losing their jobs and benefits.
But of course, I'm sure their right-wing media gods have this angle figured out
already.
--
Ron Carnell
Grand Servant of the Frooned Ones
The Temple of All Things Kit'n Grrrl
www.kitngrrrl.com
Brian E. Clark
> Would that be some sort of talking cartoon wine (perhaps with an
> outrageous French accent)?
Heh heh. And a cartload of horrible puns: "Ah, monsieur was
always nice to me, but perhaps a beeet thick..."
--
Brian E. Clark
brian<at>telerama<dot>com
____________________________________________________
It is a sin to believe evil of others, but it is
seldom a mistake. -- H. L. Mencken
Jihad
and Merciful).
>. So Bush stole the election.
Yep...
Actually it was just the latest in a never-ending series of betrayals
of the American people by the government...
They ignored the popular vote,but still have the gall to send out tax
forms (IOW, they want your money, not your opinion). Fortunately,my
income is low enough,that with allowable deductions, I don't have to
pay any taxes,which means I'm not being forced to support the
Republiklan coup...
"Jihad"
Ordained ULC Imam
John P. Boatwright
>
> In article <3AAE8D...@teleport.com>, "John says...
> >
>
> >At last count, Bush won about 60 times, and about 3 or 4 times
> >that amount near the end of 2000. If you had another 200 election
> >counts, Bush would still keep winning. Bush is clearly a stud when
> >it comes to winning the election.
> >
> counties that had discrepancies (because the rule of law is paramount), and if
> you counted all the overvotes and undervotes and prego chads in democrat
> counties as votes for Gore (because voter intent is paramount), then Gore might
> have won. So Bush stole the election.
ha ha ha...
You're trying to rig the election to make Gore win for once.
Sheeze...
It won't work, it's illegal, they'll arrest you and such.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://www.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
Brian
> On Mon, 12 Mar 2001 07:46:19 -0800, Doug <jaco...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>
> >Let's have ballots with the pictures of the candidates on them where
> >people can mark them with a big "X" next to the one they want.
> >
> >Better yet, they can cross out the ones that they don't want.
>
> ballots. Especially for senior citizens whose eyesight is poor.
>
> --
> Et in arcadia ego..
> Loki
> -[E-Mail]- lo...@shadrach.net
> -[WWW]- http://www.robinzing.com/loki/
> -[ICQ]- 13134728
>
> they slander each other constantly with the vilest forms
> of abuse, and cannot come to any sort of agreement in
> their teaching. Each sect brands its own, fills the head
> of its own with deceitful nonsense..." - Celsus, "On the True Doctrine"
a question Do we Christians really come across like that ? The more I read
this one quote it really starts to ring true in some major ways.
Al Klein
posted in alt.atheism:
>Doug <jaco...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>Loki wrote:
>>> http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/news/election2000_overvote_gore.html
>>> Had the ballots been constructed in a much more user-friendly fashion,
>>> the Royal Fraudulency King George II would not be in office.
>>I prefer to have literate people voting.
>You also prefer to have unrepentent blasphemers publicly executed.
And camel-jockeys and rag-heads sent back to where they came from.
--
Al - Unnumbered Atheist #infinity
aklein at villagenet dot com
Frank Wustner
> see...@for.email.org (Frank Wustner) wrote:
> >*IT DOESN'T MATTER ANYMORE!!*
> I think it does. It proves a candidate and his brother can rig an
> election and most people will say, "It doesn't matter, let's move on!"
"Prove"? Was ist das "prove"? Are you telling me that you seriously
did not realize this before this election? On a nationwide scale,
American democracy has become complacent and decadent, something I
first observed at least a good five years before I was old enough to
vote.
I still participate because the alternative is equivilant to giving
up hope, something I always refuse to do. But the presidential
election is no longer egalitarian in any real sense. The downfall
began with the Kennedy/Nixon election and that televised debate, and
it came to a head in 2000.
Screw campain finance reform. We need to reform the *entire* campain.
Woden
news:hdDr6.148688$sD.94...@e420r-sjo2.usenetserver.com...
You should spend some time in many of the xian newsgroups. The in-fighting
between sects makes the arguments in alt.atheism look like friendly
handshakes & kisses.
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political institution for the control of
people's thoughts, lives, and actions; based on
ancient myths and superstitions perpetrated through
generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
Doug
> They ignored the popular vote,
As required by the Constitution.
Don't like it?
Get it changed!
Doug
> Fortunately,my
> income is low enough,that with allowable deductions, I don't have to
> pay any taxes
Nothing shocking there.
Doug
> Let the dismantling of the government for the exclusive benefit of the richest
> 1% of Americans begin.
No thanks. I oppose special rights for homosexuals.
Brian
Woden <wo...@charter.net> wrote in message
news:tau0v21...@corp.supernews.com...
totally ridicule people who are of other faiths or people who have no faith
tradition or people who are atheists. Hind site proved me to be an ass and a
bigot, not a good combination. I still believe but seek to understand, it is
a much kinder approach to life. Have a good day. Brian
Doug
> Remember, he's a xian, and therefore patently dishonest at his core. As
> well as petty and inhuman.
I really have to feel sorry for any Christian child who has you for a
teacher. I can see why kids bring guns to school with teachers like you.
Doug
>
> On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 07:46:26 -0800, Doug <jaco...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> >Chris Nelson wrote:
> >
> >> The instructions clearly stated that you are to punch the
> >> hole to the right of the name. The Butterfly ballot,
> >> however, included holes that you punch to the left of the
> >> name. How can you be expected to follow instructions if they
> >> are wrong?
> >>
> >> Alignment problems led to ambiguity for Gore voters, while
> >> Bush voters had no ambiguity whatsoever - Bush's name was
> >> first, and his hole was the first. Had Gore's name been
> >> first and Bush's in the position that Gore's was in, Bush
> >> voters would have made the same mistake.
> >
> >Funny how the class of elementary school kids figured it out.
>
> Funny how they're not elderly with poor eyesight.
No one has proven that the ballots that were "miscast" were cast by
elderly people with poor eyesight. And if they were, then why did the
democraps elderly seem to have poorer eyesight than the republican
elderly?
Jihad
and Merciful).
If you can't reform it,overthrow it!!!!
"Jihad"
Ordained ULC Imam
Ken Smith
The design of the ballot assured that -- Bush was first on the list.
Had Gore been first on the list, Bushies might well have voted for
Nader.
Loki
<brian_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "Christians, needless to say, utterly detest one another;
>> they slander each other constantly with the vilest forms
>> of abuse, and cannot come to any sort of agreement in
>> their teaching. Each sect brands its own, fills the head
>> of its own with deceitful nonsense..." - Celsus, "On the True Doctrine"
>
>a question Do we Christians really come across like that ? The more I read
>this one quote it really starts to ring true in some major ways.
To be perfectly honest, yes. This quote, btw, was written in the 2nd
century. It's being going on for a LONG time. I think that is a
large part of why a lot of people do not believe - because if there
was true "love" in the church, the members would not be screaming
bloody murder if some other denomination doesn't believe exactly as
they do.
--
Et in arcadia ego..
Loki
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John Hattan
Anyone know what the hell Doug's trying to say?
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Loki
Wustner) wrote:
>lo...@shadrach.net (Loki) wrote:
>> see...@for.email.org (Frank Wustner) wrote:
>
>> >*IT DOESN'T MATTER ANYMORE!!*
>
>> I think it does. It proves a candidate and his brother can rig an
>> election and most people will say, "It doesn't matter, let's move on!"
>
>"Prove"? Was ist das "prove"? Are you telling me that you seriously
>did not realize this before this election? On a nationwide scale,
>American democracy has become complacent and decadent, something I
>first observed at least a good five years before I was old enough to
>vote.
Oh, I agree. But never has it been so outright blatant (at least, not
that I know of). Sure there have been bought elections, etc. before..
but this just screams, "lie" whereas with others, there was at least
some doubting about. Now, very few people say, "of course Bush won!"
Most just say, "Who cares?"
>I still participate because the alternative is equivilant to giving
>up hope, something I always refuse to do. But the presidential
>election is no longer egalitarian in any real sense. The downfall
>began with the Kennedy/Nixon election and that televised debate, and
>it came to a head in 2000.
Me too. I will continue to vote, especially now more than ever.
Since I live in Florida, I will be sure to express my views concerning
Jeb Bush come the day to vote for Florida's governer. At least til I
finally just go to some other country
>Screw campain finance reform. We need to reform the *entire* campain.
Hell, we need to reform basically the entire country. I didn't
particuarly like Gore, either. I just think if he was what the
American people wanted - and he was - then he should be elected.
Dubya will at least he'll let people keep their guns. If he'd just
drop the religious crap and get on with actually governing the
country, he may turn out to be ok.
>--
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Loki
Yeah, generally the truth can cause extreme reactions in people,
especially children.
Loki
>No one has proven that the ballots that were "miscast" were cast by
>elderly people with poor eyesight. And if they were, then why did the
>democraps elderly seem to have poorer eyesight than the republican
>elderly?
Gee, maybe because more elderly people were voting for Gore so that
they could keep their social security checks which Bush will probably
eventually take away for "federal funding"?
Bush lost some votes too, due to the Butterfly Ballots.
Loki
The Constitution also permits freedom of and from religion and free
speech, neither of which I can imagine you like very much.
Get it changed!
Dr. Dave Barnett
"John Hattan" <jo...@thecodezone.com> wrote in message
news:3dsuat8f1k230nlq3...@4ax.com...
> Doug <jaco...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> >Ron Carnell wrote:
> >>
> >> Let the dismantling of the government for the exclusive benefit of the
richest
> >> 1% of Americans begin.
> >
> >No thanks. I oppose special rights for homosexuals.
>
> Anyone know what the hell Doug's trying to say?
Janet Reno ??
Loki
We can only dream. :)
Loki
Which is exactly what Dougie does. Finds anything that could make
someone think negative of a certain target and make his idiotic
comments about it. How very Christ-like, Doug. Just so you know,
Doug, Jesus wasn't exactly the 1st century CE Bill Gates either.
John Hattan
>"John Hattan" <jo...@thecodezone.com> wrote in message
>news:3dsuat8f1k230nlq3...@4ax.com...
>> Doug <jaco...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >Ron Carnell wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Let the dismantling of the government for the exclusive benefit of the
>> >> richest 1% of Americans begin.
>> >
>> >No thanks. I oppose special rights for homosexuals.
>>
>> Anyone know what the hell Doug's trying to say?
>
>Janet Reno ??
John Ashcroft!
Loki
wrote:
>Doug <jaco...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>>Ron Carnell wrote:
>>>
>>> Let the dismantling of the government for the exclusive benefit of the richest
>>> 1% of Americans begin.
>>
>>No thanks. I oppose special rights for homosexuals.
>
>Anyone know what the hell Doug's trying to say?
"I am totally nonsensical."
>---
>John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
>jo...@thecodezone.com http://www.freespeech.org/shatner
--
Doug
And poeple wonder why "Muslim" and "terrorist" seem to go together so
well?
I wonder if Hattan will go after Jihad for that?
LOL. As if.
Jihad
and Merciful).
>
>John Ashcroft!
>
you misspelled "Asscrack"
:) :)
"Jihad"
Ordained ULC Imam
Doug
> The Constitution also permits freedom of and from religion and free
> speech, neither of which I can imagine you like very much.
I like the freedom of religion and free speech. The Constitution has not
"freedom from religion." That's a leftist notion.
Doug
>
> On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:13:52 -0800, Doug <jaco...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> >Jihad wrote:
> >
> >> Fortunately,my
> >> income is low enough,that with allowable deductions, I don't have to
> >> pay any taxes
> >
> >Nothing shocking there.
>
> Which is exactly what Dougie does. Finds anything that could make
> someone think negative of a certain target and make his idiotic
> comments about it.
Jihad was a homeless bum until quite recently. Drug addict, etc. Then he
found Allah.
Doug
>
> >> "Christians, needless to say, utterly detest one another;
> >> they slander each other constantly with the vilest forms
> >> of abuse, and cannot come to any sort of agreement in
> >> their teaching. Each sect brands its own, fills the head
> >> of its own with deceitful nonsense..." - Celsus, "On the True Doctrine"
Ironic, but the only reason that we have the writings of Celsus "On the
True Doctrine: Discourses Against Christians" is that they survive as
quoted in Origen's, "Against Celsus."
Celsus styles the Christians as "scum" (75); "naught but dung" (102);
"lower class, vulgar, ignorant" (57); perpetrators of "hypocrisy" (53);
"gullible believers" (54); "ludicrously misled" (60); "babbling fools"
(108); forsakers of the "natural inclination" to believe in the
traditional gods (56); "thoroughly bound to flesh-and-blood concerns
[and] not a little unsmart by most applicable standards" (121); "just as
proud as the Jews" (70); concocters of "an absolutely absurd doctrine of
everlasting punishment and rewards" (70); in their practice "no better
than dog or goat worship[pers] at their worst" (71); "charlatan[s] who
promise to restore sick bodies to health" (75); a people who "utterly
detest each other" and "slander each other constantly with the vilest
forms of abuse" (91); a people who "refuse their religious duties,
rushing headlong to offend the emperor and the governors and to invite
their wrath" (124); and finally, a people "who act as though they have
some deeper revelation that entitles them to turn away from their
friends and countrymen on the pretext that they have reached a higher
level of piety" (89).
Celsum reminds me of the posters in alt.atheism. His bigoted comments
fit quite well into that group.
Medieval Knievel, the Adonis of Oklahoma
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> I really have to feel sorry for any Christian child who has you for a
> teacher. I can see why kids bring guns to school with teachers like you.
<yawn>
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> I like the freedom of religion and free speech. The Constitution has not
> "freedom from religion." That's a leftist notion.
Apparently you haven't read the writings of Jefferson, Madison, et al. on
the subject.
Karl E. Taylor
Hey, Doug. Freedom of religion means I am free to practice NO
religion. IOW's to be free from religion.
Now, if you or your fucked up cronies attempt to take that right away
from me, and others, you could find yourself in the midst of some really
nasty taunting. As I told you a long time ago, any attempt by the
religious right to force a theocracy on me and mine, and I will do what
ever I legally can to stop you.
So don't even think that there is not a right to be free FROM religion.
You practice your religion your way. I ignore religion, gods, devils,
heavens and hells. So don't even bother trying to shove it down our
throats. You can't prove it's real, and we ignore it.
Get over it boy, you lost before you even started.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
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Home School Educator for Computer Science
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And now go look in the mirror, pot.
You are the one that would like the theocracy.
You are the one that advocated public stoning of heretics and gays.
You are the one that would keep women in subjection to the point of
slavery.
You are the one that has made if very clear that all that don't believe
as you are evil and wrong.
You are the bigot, the jerk, and the moron.
Your words come back to haunt you Doug. You really should be so much
more careful with what you post.
Oh, and before you say it, or post it, yes, I do still hate all
religions. I said it, and I stick by it.
Loki
Well, according to you all, atheism and evolution are both "religions"
so there you go.
Loki
>Jihad was a homeless bum until quite recently. Drug addict, etc. Then he
>found Allah.
Jesus was a "homeless bum," too. Ever actually read what the Bible
actually says?
And if it is Allah that helped him, explain exactly why this doesn't
prove the existence of Allah? If "personal experience" is good for
Christians, it is good for Muslims, Pagans, whatever, too..
Loki
>Jihad wrote:
>>
>> Bismillah ar-Rahman ar-Rahim (in the name of Allah,the Compassionate
>> and Merciful).
>> Thus spake Doug <jaco...@pacbell.net> :
>>
>> >Jihad wrote:
>> >
>> >> They ignored the popular vote,
>> >
>> >As required by the Constitution.
>> >
>> >Don't like it?
>> >
>> >Get it changed!
>>
>> If you can't reform it,overthrow it!!!!
>
>And poeple wonder why "Muslim" and "terrorist" seem to go together so
>well?
And people wonder why "Christian" and "moron" seem to go together so
well?
You ARE a bigot, Doug. Overthrowing the government is WRONG, right?
Except when the Founding Fathers did it. Then, in order to support
your "America is Christan" myth you make them into defenders of
freedom, etc. Quit being a hypocrite.
>I wonder if Hattan will go after Jihad for that?
You're the one making the bigoted statements, not him.
>LOL. As if.
You're lowering peoples' views of Christians even worse than they were
before. Congrats. I hope you're proud to be a missionary AGAINST
your religion, because that is all you are accomplishing.
Loki
>Loki wrote:
>>
>> >> "Christians, needless to say, utterly detest one another;
>> >> they slander each other constantly with the vilest forms
>> >> of abuse, and cannot come to any sort of agreement in
>> >> their teaching. Each sect brands its own, fills the head
>> >> of its own with deceitful nonsense..." - Celsus, "On the True Doctrine"
>
>Ironic, but the only reason that we have the writings of Celsus "On the
>True Doctrine: Discourses Against Christians" is that they survive as
>quoted in Origen's, "Against Celsus."
Yup.
>Celsus styles the Christians as "scum" (75); "naught but dung" (102);
>"lower class, vulgar, ignorant" (57); perpetrators of "hypocrisy" (53);
>"gullible believers" (54); "ludicrously misled" (60); "babbling fools"
>(108); forsakers of the "natural inclination" to believe in the
>traditional gods (56); "thoroughly bound to flesh-and-blood concerns
>[and] not a little unsmart by most applicable standards" (121); "just as
>proud as the Jews" (70); concocters of "an absolutely absurd doctrine of
>everlasting punishment and rewards" (70); in their practice "no better
>than dog or goat worship[pers] at their worst" (71); "charlatan[s] who
>promise to restore sick bodies to health" (75); a people who "utterly
>detest each other" and "slander each other constantly with the vilest
>forms of abuse" (91); a people who "refuse their religious duties,
>rushing headlong to offend the emperor and the governors and to invite
>their wrath" (124); and finally, a people "who act as though they have
>some deeper revelation that entitles them to turn away from their
>friends and countrymen on the pretext that they have reached a higher
>level of piety" (89).
And this is different from your views of other religions how....?
You're just as bad. Celsus was a pagan who hated Christians and
you're a Christian who hates pagans (and everyone else).
>Celsum reminds me of the posters in alt.atheism. His bigoted comments
>fit quite well into that group.
Maybe, but he is also a lot like you.
Jihad
why is it that every time i say stuff like this,you always take it
seriously, but you're the only one who does?...
"Jihad"
Ordained ULC Imam
John Hattan
>Bismillah ar-Rahman ar-Rahim (in the name of Allah,the Compassionate
>and Merciful).
>Thus spake Doug <jaco...@pacbell.net> :
>>Jihad wrote:
>>>
>>> If you can't reform it,overthrow it!!!!
>>
>>And poeple wonder why "Muslim" and "terrorist" seem to go together so
>>well?
>>
>>I wonder if Hattan will go after Jihad for that?
>>
>>LOL. As if.
>
>why is it that every time i say stuff like this,you always take it
>seriously, but you're the only one who does?...
Because it's all he's got left here.
Jihad
and Merciful).
Thus spake Doug <jaco...@pacbell.net> :
>Loki wrote:
Until 1985,actually...
> Drug addict,
Nope...never did drugs or alcohol...
>etc. Then he
>found Allah.
"Found Allah" just last year...
"Jihad"
Ordained ULC Imam
John Hattan
>Jihad was a homeless bum until quite recently. Drug addict, etc.
Please provide proof for your apparent libelous statement that Jihad was
a drug addict.
Hunter Int.
I am *still* waiting for the name of the prison which contains your so
called "religion hating bigoted fundy" Chaplain.
How many times do you need to see this before you will realize that I am
quite serious about checking into your allegation?
Will you be so kind as to give me the name of that prison? I will do the
rest.
Warmest regards,
Dave...
Jihad <1gra...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
<6blvat8vfdoqsf1q7...@4ax.com>...
elcam2
"Loki" <lo...@shadrach.net> wrote in message
news:3aaf36e8...@news.shadrach.net...
> On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 21:13:44 -0800, see...@for.email.org (Frank
> Wustner) wrote:
>
> >lo...@shadrach.net (Loki) wrote:
> >> see...@for.email.org (Frank Wustner) wrote:
> >
> >> >*IT DOESN'T MATTER ANYMORE!!*
> >
> >> I think it does. It proves a candidate and his brother can rig an
> >> election and most people will say, "It doesn't matter, let's move on!"
> >
> >"Prove"? Was ist das "prove"? Are you telling me that you seriously
> >did not realize this before this election? On a nationwide scale,
> >American democracy has become complacent and decadent, something I
> >first observed at least a good five years before I was old enough to
> >vote.
>
> Oh, I agree. But never has it been so outright blatant (at least, not
> that I know of). Sure there have been bought elections, etc. before..
> but this just screams, "lie" whereas with others, there was at least
> some doubting about. Now, very few people say, "of course Bush won!"
> Most just say, "Who cares?"
Absolutely. The election was truly vile. They shoved it up the voters
asses right in front of their faces. No attempt made at appearances
whatsoever.
>
> >I still participate because the alternative is equivilant to giving
> >up hope, something I always refuse to do. But the presidential
> >election is no longer egalitarian in any real sense. The downfall
> >began with the Kennedy/Nixon election and that televised debate, and
> >it came to a head in 2000.
>
> Me too. I will continue to vote, especially now more than ever.
> Since I live in Florida, I will be sure to express my views concerning
> Jeb Bush come the day to vote for Florida's governer. At least til I
> finally just go to some other country
If we give up voting -- the bastards will win again. As fellow Floridian,
I'm with you. Can't wait to cast my ballot against Jeb -- no matter Who is
running against him. He has done zero for Florida besides everything else.
>
> >Screw campain finance reform. We need to reform the *entire* campain.
Campaign reform will help. It needs to pass.
>
> Hell, we need to reform basically the entire country. I didn't
> particuarly like Gore, either. I just think if he was what the
> American people wanted - and he was - then he should be elected.
> Dubya will at least he'll let people keep their guns.
> If he'd just
> drop the religious crap and get on with actually governing the
> country, he may turn out to be ok.
I'd much rather be talking about presidential indiscretions in the Oval
Officr than tax breaks for the rich and the separation of church and state.
The former is far less dangerous to the country.
>
Eileen #948
elcam2
"John P. Boatwright" <sa...@teleport.com> wrote in message
news:3AAEE6...@teleport.com...
> Teresita wrote:
> >
> > In article <3AAE8D...@teleport.com>, "John says...
> > >
> >
> > >At last count, Bush won about 60 times, and about 3 or 4 times
> > >that amount near the end of 2000. If you had another 200 election
> > >counts, Bush would still keep winning. Bush is clearly a stud when
> > >it comes to winning the election.
> > >
> > But if you threw out all the votes from military personnel and
conservative
> > counties that had discrepancies (because the rule of law is paramount),
and if
> > you counted all the overvotes and undervotes and prego chads in democrat
> > counties as votes for Gore (because voter intent is paramount), then
Gore might
> > have won. So Bush stole the election.
>
> ha ha ha...
>
> You're trying to rig the election to make Gore win for once.
More lies from the Bloated Christian.
Eileen #948
>
Glenn MacEachern
Doug wrote:
> Loki wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 07:46:26 -0800, Doug <jaco...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >
> > >Chris Nelson wrote:
> > >
> > >> The instructions clearly stated that you are to punch the
> > >> hole to the right of the name. The Butterfly ballot,
> > >> however, included holes that you punch to the left of the
> > >> name. How can you be expected to follow instructions if they
> > >> are wrong?
> > >>
> > >> Alignment problems led to ambiguity for Gore voters, while
> > >> Bush voters had no ambiguity whatsoever - Bush's name was
> > >> first, and his hole was the first. Had Gore's name been
> > >> first and Bush's in the position that Gore's was in, Bush
> > >> voters would have made the same mistake.
> > >
> > >Funny how the class of elementary school kids figured it out.
> >
> > Funny how they're not elderly with poor eyesight.
>
> No one has proven that the ballots that were "miscast" were cast by
> elderly people with poor eyesight. And if they were, then why did the
> democraps elderly seem to have poorer eyesight than the republican
> ....
Here's a little graphic to help you out. Here's what happened with the
so-called butterfly ballot.
Bush---->
<---Buchanan
Gore---->
Now, put your hand over the Buchanan side. If you didn't see that, more than
likely, you'd think that Gore would be the second hole, now wouldn't you?
The fact is, most people rush through their votes, knowing exactly what they
want. Therfore, they might overlook the butterfly style.
However, what really made this a huge problem was the refusal to give out
new ballots. That's what really skewed things. There MAY be other problems
with what happened down there, but I'm going to wait for it to be
investigated..(the iron plate charges)
-grm-
Doug
> The fact is, most people rush through their votes, knowing exactly what they
> want. Therfore, they might overlook the butterfly style.
The fact is, most people mark their sample ballots at home and would
have already seen it. If someone's not willing to read the sample ballot
and understand the form, they shouldn't be voting.
Ken Smith
> Ken Smith wrote:
>
> > Hardly. There comes a point where your drivel isn't worth listening to.
>
> It's been five years for you Ken.
Theologically and intellectually, you're a two-foot putt. But it always
helps to practice.
> You still keep coming back.
>
> Nobody's holding you here in arcc-c.
No, they aren't. But if no one was here to hold you to account for
your lunacy, you could become another David Koresh.
Hunter Int.
buddy 'Jihad' would then see it.)
Jihad,
You, lied on behalf of Allah and Islam when you tried to cover up Sura 5:33
with the following...
>This distinctly says "Those who wage war against allah" (i.e.,those
>who actively engage in armed combat against islam).
No sir, it doesn't stop at any such thing. Why must you lie with every
post, Jihad...?
Here's what Sura 5:33 says, context intact for the reader...
"The only punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger
***and strive to make mischief*** in the land is that they should be
murdered, or crucified, or their hands and their feet should be cut off on
opposite sides, or they should be imprisoned. This shall be a disgrace for
them in this world, and in the Hereafter they shall have a grievous
chastisement."
Notice the punishments are left up to the Muslim, and they begin right from
the point of "mischief," not simply war, as you stated. And, for the
RECORD, it is a fact taken right from the Qur'an that those *against* Allah
are *already* at war with Allah, as is evident from the next bit of nonsense
found in Sura 9:5-6. Before we read those passages, you said...
>Note that 9:4 says "except those with whom you are not at war and have
>never betrayed you..." and 9:6 says "if any of the infidels tries to
>make peace with you, do not refuse it...
You lie again, as the text says nothing about those whom you are not at war
with, rather, those whom you have already "made an agreement with." Which
is, for all practical purposes, absolutely no one at the moment other than
your own Islamic bretheren, and maybe a few communist countries! Let's read
Sura 9:4, oh Muslim scholar...
Sura 9:4
Except those of the idolaters with whom you have made an agreement, then
they have not failed you in anything and have not backed up any one against
you; so fulfil their agreement to the end of their term. Surely Allah loves
those who keep their duty.
No where could anyone you possibly know be included in that passage. You
have come to an agreement with absolutely NOBODY. This passage would,
however, include those poor idiots who agreed to HELP you get to us
loathsome idolaters in the first place, and that's quite hypocritical when
you think about it.
Now, here are the next two passages...
5. So when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters, where ever
you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for
them in every ambush. But if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the
poor rate, leave their way free. Surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful
6. And if anyone of the idolaters seek thy protection, protect him till he
hears the word of Allah, then convey him to his place of safety. This is
because they are a people who know not.
So, as evidenced from the above passages, other than the sacred months,
(geez, what a great guy!), the true blue Muslim ought to be doing exactly
what the media claims "radical" Muslims are doing; Killing people. Those
aren't the "radical" Muslims; those are the fundamentally sound ones. Give
those boys an ounce of credit, as at least they're following their book to
the letter of the law.
Now, this wouldn't be so awful *IF* Jihad was right in his forthcoming
assumption (because that's all it'll be) that this was a temporary command.
However, NOWHERE in the Qur'an are these instructions lifted. NOWHERE.
They remain to this day as valid as they were the day Mohammed wrote them.
That's why honest Muslims act the way they do, they're just being honest
with their texts. Mohammed never overturns them, clarifies them, or gives
secondary instruction on any possible changes. Thus they remain exactly the
same today as they were 1300 years ago.
Therefore Jihad, you sir, are a liar.
Even worse yet, Jihad the hypocrite fails his Allah when he makes bestest
pals with the 'Evil Atheist' as here is what the Qur'an instructs Jihad to
do with him...
Sura 9:29
Fight those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that
which Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, nor follow the Religion of
Truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in
acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
Jihad, WHY ARE YOU NOT FOLLOWING THIS? Do not lie to the group and claim
these were orders only for that time, as they were orders for *all* time.
They were never canceled or reversed anywhere later on in the Qur'an, so you
are, as a loyal Disciple of Allah, obligated to submit to these
commandments. I respect the Muslim who straps the C4 around his waist and
blows up ships more than I respect you, my friend. At least he's being
honest with what he reads!
But you are not. Instead, you make friends with 'Evil Atheist,' and do not
even try to witness to him, nor get him to "pay the tax," nor force him to
comply to the subjection of Allah, AS INSTRUCTED.
So, maybe someone will post this again, so Jihad can see it, but even then
he will have quite the liberal take on it all, as he is a failed Muslim
under any conservative reading of his own texts.
Warmest regards,
Dave...
Jihad <1gra...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message ...
>Bismillah ar-Rahman ar-Rahim (in the name of Allah,the Compassionate
>and Merciful).
>Thus spake Doug <jaco...@pacbell.net> :
>
>>Forwarded on for Jihad since he's got Hunter kill filed and won't see
>>that Hunter refuted him again.
>>
>>"Hunter Int." wrote:
>>>
>>> Jihad,
>>>
>>> No, this was the first I heard of it. There could be a lot of 'York
>>> Counties' for all I know, and I could have been wasting my time. I
didn't
>>> want to assume yours was PA. Thanks you very much, oh Muslim liar and
>>> coward.
>>>
>>> I will call them today, and will find out exactly who this "religious
hating
>>> bigoted fundy" Chaplain is, talk with him, if there is only one, which
is
>>> rare these days, and report back to the group.
>>>
>>> Sura 9:5, and 5:33,
>
>This distinctly says "Those who wage war against allah" (i.e.,those
>who actively engage in armed combat against islam).
>Note that 9:4 says "except those with whom you are not at war and have
>never betrayed you..." and 9:6 says "if any of the infidels tries to
>make peace with you, do not refuse it...
>
>
>...
>>my friend. I want to know why you aren't out there
>>> following these clear commandments from the 'prophet.' Especially since
>>> your bestest buddy here is the 'Evil Atheist.'
>>>
>>> Warmest regards,
>>>
>>> Dave...
>>>
>>> Jihad <1gra...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>> <2ff1bt0f3nbd7nvea...@4ax.com>...
>>> >Bismillah ar-Rahman ar-Rahim (in the name of Allah,the Compassionate
>>> >and Merciful).
>>> >Thus spake Doug <jaco...@pacbell.net> :
>>> >
>>> >>"Hunter Int." wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Jihad,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I am *still* waiting for the name of the prison which contains your
so
>>> >>> called "religion hating bigoted fundy" Chaplain.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> How many times do you need to see this before you will realize that
I am
>>> >>> quite serious about checking into your allegation?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Will you be so kind as to give me the name of that prison? I will
do
>>> the
>>> >>> rest.
>>> >>
>>> >>Don't hold your breath waiting for that one.
>>> >
>>> >The reason I didn't see it is because I have him killfiled... I
>>> >already gave the name of the prison before,but for the
>>> >memory-challenged,it's York County Prison (York,PA).
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >"Jihad"
>>> >Ordained ULC Imam
>
>
>
>"Jihad"
>Ordained ULC Imam
Hunter Int.
(Another lost ball with another ridiculous name!)
You babbled...
>Yadda yadda yadda. I'm not afraid of Hunter's claptrap.
Well, sure, when you stand for nothing, fall for everything, have added to
pretty much nothing but empty calories during all your time of writing on
Usenet, sure, I believe you. You don't have anything to lose because you
are unwilling to make a stand in the first place, so your tripe is easy to
defend. Geez, you lost balls are sooooo easy...
Warmest regards,
Dave...
Loki wrote in message <3ab167bf...@news.shadrach.net>...
>On Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:51:39 -0800, Doug <jaco...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>>Loki wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, 15 Mar 2001 07:26:57 -0800, Doug <jaco...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> >> The reason I didn't see it is because I have him killfiled...
>>> >
>>> >Yet another non-Christian who is afraid of Hunter. Hmmm.... What's he
>>> >doing right?
>>>
>>> No one is afraid of someone like Hunter except the easily
>>> intimidated. More than likely, he just doesn't want to hear Hunter's
>>> repetitive idiotic bullshit and schoolyard-like taunts and insults.
>>
>>And yet you all seem like the kids running around on the playground with
>>their fingers in their ears to stop listening to the other kid.
>
>Yadda yadda yadda. I'm not afraid of Hunter's claptrap.
Raptor514
"Teresita" <rubyre...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:98tjk...@drn.newsguy.com...
> In article <3AAF95A4...@pacbell.net>, Doug says...
>
> >I like the freedom of religion and free speech. The Constitution has not
> >"freedom from religion." That's a leftist notion.
>
his
> God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that
the
> legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I
> contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people
which
> declared that their Legislature should 'make no law respecting an
establishment
> of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a
wall of
> separation between Church and State." --Thomas Jefferson to Danbury
Baptists,
> 1802. ME 16:281
>
> --
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--
"When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it
does not support itself, and it's god does not take care to support it so
that its professors are obliged to call for help of the civil power, 'tis a
sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one."
James Madison, fourth president and Father of our Constitution.
--
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every
noble enterprise." During almost fifteen centuries has been on trial. What
have been its fruits? More or less in all places , pride and indolence in
the clergy, ignorance an servility in the laity, in both superstition,
bigotry and persecution."
James Madison, fourth president and Father of our Constitution.
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a
lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal
God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly."
---------Albert Einstein
Raptor514---------a.a.# 1855----------------------
Kel...@this.net
Proclamation: "In such a state of things it is an especial manner our
duty as a people, with devout reverence and affectionate gratitude to
acknowledge our many and great obligations to Almighty God, and to
implore Him to continue and confirm the blessings we experience." At
one point, Washington said about the correlation of good government
and Christian ideals: "True religion affords government its surest
support. The future of this nation depends on the Christian training
of our youth. It is impossible to govern without the Bible." When in
Washington and Williamsburg, George Washington attended Bruton Parish
in Williamsburg, Virginia, and Christ Church of Philadelphia when in
Pennsylvania. On April 30, 1789, when George Washington was
inaugurated as the first President of the United States, he reverently
kissed the Bible and said, "So-help-me-God." As a legacy to all
Americans, George Washington voiced this lovely prayer: "Almighty God;
we make our earnest prayer. .. that Thou wilt most graciously be
pleased to dispose us all to do justice, to love mercy, and to demean
ourselves with charity, humility and pacific temper of mind which were
the characteristics of the Divine author of our blessed religion
[reference to Christ], and without humble imitation of whose example
in these things we can never hope to be a happy nation. Grant our
supplication, we beseech Thee, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen."
It was the Quaker Isaac Potts who found George Washington on his knees
praying for divine assistance at Valley Forge. He said of our Founding
Father’s piety: "Till now I have thought that a Christian and a
soldier were characters incompatible; but if George Washington be not
a man of God, I am mistaken, and still more shall I be disappointed if
God do not through him perform some great thing for this country." And
so God did a great thing for this country through a man of great
faith. On his deathbed, the last words of George Washington were as
follows: "Father of Mercies, take me to thyself." Were these words of
an agnostic, a skeptic, a deist? I think not.
John Adams, who said that the Ten Commandments and the Sermon on the
Mount contained his religion, dedicated Independence Day to be
"commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to
God Almighty from one end of the Continent to the other, from this
time forward forevermore." And James Madison, the father of the U.S.
Constitution, who supported the separation of church from the
interference of the state did so in order not to hinder the missionary
expansion of Christianity. Thomas Jefferson, who penned the
Declaration of Independence, wrote those immortal words: "We hold
these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal. That
they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights. .
" Thomas Jefferson, who has been considered to be a deist and
antagonistic towards Christianity, said in his preface to the
Jefferson Bible: "A more beautiful or precious morsel of ethic I have
never seen; it is a document in proof that I am a real Christian, that
is to say, a disciple of the doctrine of Jesus. . ." Though Thomas
Jefferson despised the traditional trappings and the corruptions of
institutionalized Christianity, he affirmed on several occasions that
he was a Christian, not a deist.
A man sat on the bank of a river waiting for a way to cross its
swelling tides. Two strangers rode up on horseback to cross the river.
The man on the river bank instinctively turned to one of the riders
and asked whether he could hop on back. The kind stranger nodded, and
they crossed the river together. When they crossed over, the man
hopped off the back of the horse with the kind stranger. It was later
revealed that the kind stranger was the President of the United
States, Thomas Jefferson. Folks asked how he knew it was the
President. The man said, "I didn’t know it was Thomas Jefferson. I
only knew that his kind and loving face invited me on back." Jefferson
was a follower of Jesus Christ in Christian charity as the Jefferson
Bible points out. Though he was a son of the Enlightenment and the Age
of Reason, he was still inspired by the Christian ethics of Jesus
Christ.
Thomas Jefferson, who was criticized as enemy of the faith, actually
collaborated with Patrick Henry in setting aside a day for prayer and
fasting on June 1, 1774, in the House of Burgesses in Williamsburg.
George Washington wrote in his diary of that day: "Went to church and
fasted all day." It was not long after that day of prayer and fasting
that Patrick Henry delivered one of the most cherished speeches in
American history: "There is a just God who presides over the destinies
of nations; and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us.
. . Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the
price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what
course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me
death!" Patrick Henry would later say at his deathbed: "I have now
disposed of all my property to my family. There is one thing more I
wish I could give them, and that is faith in Jesus Christ. If they had
that and I had not given them one shilling, they would be rich; and if
I had not given them that, and had given them all the world, they
would be poor indeed." Were these the words of an agnostic, a skeptic,
a deist? I think not.
>In article <3AAF95A4...@pacbell.net>, Doug says...
>
>>I like the freedom of religion and free speech. The Constitution has not
>>"freedom from religion." That's a leftist notion.
>
ZenIsWhen
Quote mining!
There are many other quotes, from the founding fathers .. including Jefferson
. which contradict your point!
* semyaza *
>On January 1, 1795, George Washington wrote the National Thanksgiving
>Proclamation: "In such a state of things it is an especial manner our
>duty as a people, with devout reverence and affectionate gratitude to
>acknowledge our many and great obligations to Almighty God, and to
>implore Him to continue and confirm the blessings we experience." At
>one point, Washington said about the correlation of good government
>and Christian ideals:
<snip>
This is all rather pointless. Washington was a Christian. Jefferson
and Adams were Deists.
The point is that it really doesn't matter what their personal beliefs
were. The fact of the matter is that the Founders deliberately made no
mention of God in the Constitution. This is because they were smart
enough to know that Government and Religion are incompatible - that
the State should never side with any particular faith.
So, if you wish to believe that all the Founders were Fundamentalist
Christians, go ahead. It doesn't matter. The fact is that they
consciously designed the US government to be blind to religion - which
is the only way that a pluralistic society can function.
* semyaza *
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Ken Smith
> John Hattan wrote:
> >
> > Doug <jaco...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >
> > >Jihad was a homeless bum until quite recently. Drug addict, etc.
> >
> > Please provide proof for your apparent libelous statement that Jihad was
> > a drug addict.
>
> He says that he wasn't a drug addict. He was a mentally ill person. I
> just wrongly assumed from his behavior that he was a drug addict.
Then we can assume the same about you ... right, cokehead?
Ken Smith
> Jihad wrote:
>
> > > Drug addict,
> >
> > Nope...never did drugs or alcohol...
>
> Sorry, I just assumed from the side effects that you did. I forgot, it
> was mental illness, right?
Thank you for finally admitting your delicate mental condition, doug.
cloidheamh
>http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/news/election2000_overvote_gore.html
>
>Had the ballots been constructed in a much more user-friendly fashion,
The ballots were very user friendly, they were specifically designed
to avoid confusion. Candidates were listed with oversize type and a
nice black arrow pointed to the hole to be punched. The problem was
not the balots but the voters. All voters that followed instructions
on how to vote had their votes properly counted.
Well, almost. Those that thought that a dimple did not count as a vote
because the instructions indicated that a hole was necessary, now know
that they actually voted for someone they did not want.
The only other problem I have with the "recount" efforts is that they
are not scrutinizing anything but undervotes. Why is this important?
because if a dimple should count as a vote, then all the machine
counted ballots need to be rechecked to insure that votes that were
counted did not have dimpled chads on other candidates, thereby
invalidating those ballots.
My final statement on this subject: You guys (Bush and Gore
supporters) are doing the same thing the media did during the
election... Calling the winner before alllll the counting is done.
Miami finished and Bushs supporters called victory, Palm Beach
finishes and Gores people say "I told you so". Guess what, 90 percent
of the state is still up in the air.
I'm not trying to pick on you Loki. I'm just sick of the discussion
and decided to vent. Your post just happened to be conveniently
available.
At this point in time Bush is president whether we like it or not. As
I see it the only constructive result of arguing over the election is
to prevent similar problems from occuring in the future. And we've
known about ALL of the problems since last November.
Personally speaking, I'll die happy if I ever get to see an election
where the two major parties are the Libertarians and the the Green
party (or just about anybody but the two that we have).
Jihad
and Merciful).
Thus spake Doug <jaco...@pacbell.net> :
>"Hunter Int." wrote:
>>
>> Jihad,
>>
>> I am *still* waiting for the name of the prison which contains your so
>> called "religion hating bigoted fundy" Chaplain.
>>
>> How many times do you need to see this before you will realize that I am
>> quite serious about checking into your allegation?
>>
>> Will you be so kind as to give me the name of that prison? I will do the
>> rest.
>
Ken Smith
> Loki wrote:
> > On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:13:52 -0800, Doug <jaco...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > >Jihad wrote:
> > >
> > >> Fortunately,my
> > >> income is low enough,that with allowable deductions, I don't have to
> > >> pay any taxes
> > >
> > >Nothing shocking there.
> >
> > Which is exactly what Dougie does. Finds anything that could make
> > someone think negative of a certain target and make his idiotic
> > comments about it.
>
> Jihad was a homeless bum until quite recently. Drug addict, etc. Then he
> found Allah.
Jihad never said that he was a drug addict, so I presume that you are
talking about yourself. I didn't know that your obsessive-compulsive
disorder came from cocaine -- now, it all makes sense.
Ken Smith
> Loki wrote:
>
> > The Constitution also permits freedom of and from religion and free
> > speech, neither of which I can imagine you like very much.
>
> I like the freedom of religion and free speech. The Constitution has not
> "freedom from religion." That's a leftist notion.
Then, Jefferson was a leftist. But it's clearly in there: the
establishment
clause.
Ken Smith
> Loki wrote:
> >
> > >> "Christians, needless to say, utterly detest one another;
> > >> they slander each other constantly with the vilest forms
> > >> of abuse, and cannot come to any sort of agreement in
> > >> their teaching. Each sect brands its own, fills the head
> > >> of its own with deceitful nonsense..." - Celsus, "On the True Doctrine"
>
> Ironic, but the only reason that we have the writings of Celsus "On the
> True Doctrine: Discourses Against Christians" is that they survive as
> quoted in Origen's, "Against Celsus."
>
> Celsus styles the Christians as "scum" (75); "naught but dung" (102);
> "lower class, vulgar, ignorant" (57); perpetrators of "hypocrisy" (53);
> "gullible believers" (54); "ludicrously misled" (60); "babbling fools"
> (108); forsakers of the "natural inclination" to believe in the
> traditional gods (56); "thoroughly bound to flesh-and-blood concerns
> [and] not a little unsmart by most applicable standards" (121); "just as
> proud as the Jews" (70); concocters of "an absolutely absurd doctrine of
> everlasting punishment and rewards" (70); in their practice "no better
> than dog or goat worship[pers] at their worst" (71); "charlatan[s] who
> promise to restore sick bodies to health" (75); a people who "utterly
> detest each other" and "slander each other constantly with the vilest
> forms of abuse" (91); a people who "refuse their religious duties,
> rushing headlong to offend the emperor and the governors and to invite
> their wrath" (124); and finally, a people "who act as though they have
> some deeper revelation that entitles them to turn away from their
> friends and countrymen on the pretext that they have reached a higher
> level of piety" (89).
Celsus was quite perceptive. You resemble his remarks. :)