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GSI
Oct 16, 2018, 8:32:31 PM10/16/18
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'There is no God,' says Stephen Hawking in final book
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CNN:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/16/health/stephen-hawking-final-book-intl/index.html
London (CNN)There is no God -- that's the conclusion of the celebrated
physicist
Stephen Hawking, whose final book is published Tuesday.
The book, which was completed by his family after his death, presents answers
to the questions that Hawking said he received most during his time on Earth.
Other bombshells the British scientist left his readers with include
the belief that
alien life is out there, artificial intelligence could outsmart humans
and time travel
can't be ruled out.
Hawking, considered one of the most brilliant scientists of his
generation, died in
March at the age of 76.
"There is no God. No one directs the universe," he writes in "Brief
Answers to the Big Questions."
"For centuries, it was believed that disabled people like me were
living under a curse
that was inflicted by God," he adds. "I prefer to think that everything
can be explained
another way, by the laws of nature."
Hawking suffered from amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS), a neurodegenerative
disorder also known as Lou Gehrig's Disease, for most of his adult
life. The scientist
died while still working on the book, which his family and colleagues
finished with the
help of his vast personal archives
While Hawking spoke of his lack of belief in God during his life,
several of his other
answers are more surprising.
"There are forms of intelligent life out there," he writes. "We need to
be wary of
answering back until we have developed a bit further."
And he leaves open the possibility of other phenomena.
"Travel back in time can't be ruled out according to our present
understanding," he says.
He also predicts that "within the next hundred years we will be able to
travel to anywhere
in the Solar System."
GSI:
God is the active one, the Yang, of creation. God is NOT a person.
The Bible says quite clearly the God is "SPIRIT".
But evangelicals have their own "God", who IS a PERSON.
This 'God" "person" even talks to evangelicals, especially TV
evangelical Pastors. And takes walks along Tasman beaches
with His favorite human, Michael "Christ", sometimes along
with His son, Jesus.
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CNN:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/16/health/stephen-hawking-final-book-intl/index.html
London (CNN)There is no God -- that's the conclusion of the celebrated
physicist
Stephen Hawking, whose final book is published Tuesday.
The book, which was completed by his family after his death, presents answers
to the questions that Hawking said he received most during his time on Earth.
Other bombshells the British scientist left his readers with include
the belief that
alien life is out there, artificial intelligence could outsmart humans
and time travel
can't be ruled out.
Hawking, considered one of the most brilliant scientists of his
generation, died in
March at the age of 76.
"There is no God. No one directs the universe," he writes in "Brief
Answers to the Big Questions."
"For centuries, it was believed that disabled people like me were
living under a curse
that was inflicted by God," he adds. "I prefer to think that everything
can be explained
another way, by the laws of nature."
Hawking suffered from amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS), a neurodegenerative
disorder also known as Lou Gehrig's Disease, for most of his adult
life. The scientist
died while still working on the book, which his family and colleagues
finished with the
help of his vast personal archives
While Hawking spoke of his lack of belief in God during his life,
several of his other
answers are more surprising.
"There are forms of intelligent life out there," he writes. "We need to
be wary of
answering back until we have developed a bit further."
And he leaves open the possibility of other phenomena.
"Travel back in time can't be ruled out according to our present
understanding," he says.
He also predicts that "within the next hundred years we will be able to
travel to anywhere
in the Solar System."
GSI:
God is the active one, the Yang, of creation. God is NOT a person.
The Bible says quite clearly the God is "SPIRIT".
But evangelicals have their own "God", who IS a PERSON.
This 'God" "person" even talks to evangelicals, especially TV
evangelical Pastors. And takes walks along Tasman beaches
with His favorite human, Michael "Christ", sometimes along
with His son, Jesus.
duke
Oct 17, 2018, 8:15:06 AM10/17/18
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On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 17:32:25 -0700, GSI <itchyisth...@god.com> wrote:
>CNN:
>https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/16/health/stephen-hawking-final-book-intl/index.html
>London (CNN)There is no God -- that's the conclusion of the celebrated
>physicist Stephen Hawking, whose final book is published Tuesday.
>CNN:
>https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/16/health/stephen-hawking-final-book-intl/index.html
>London (CNN)There is no God -- that's the conclusion of the celebrated
>physicist Stephen Hawking, whose final book is published Tuesday.
>"There is no God. No one directs the universe," he writes in "Brief
>Answers to the Big Questions."
WHAT!! Hawking doesn't sound like an atheist to me. He's right - no one
>Answers to the Big Questions."
directs the universe. God willed the universe and all in it into existence in
the creation moment and then (get this) ........... let the universe evolve.
After all. Either an atheist has elected to condemn himself or God has done it
for him. Are atheists now trying to say "God did it. It's his fault".
Haahaahaa.
the dukester, American-American
*****
The Purpose of the NT Word of God is not to inform as it did in
the OT,but instead to form us in the very image of Jesus Christ.
*****
GSI
Oct 17, 2018, 12:56:51 PM10/17/18
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On 2018-10-17 12:15:00 +0000, duke said:
> On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 17:32:25 -0700, GSI <itchyisth...@god.com> wrote:
>
>> CNN:
>> https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/16/health/stephen-hawking-final-book-intl/index.html
>>
>
>> London (CNN)There is no God -- that's the conclusion of the celebrated
>> physicist Stephen Hawking, whose final book is published Tuesday.
>
>> "There is no God. No one directs the universe," he writes in "Brief
>> Answers to the Big Questions."
>
> WHAT!! Hawking doesn't sound like an atheist to me. He's right - no one
> directs the universe. God willed the universe and all in it into existence in
> the creation moment and then (get this) ........... let the universe evolve.
>
> After all. Either an atheist has elected to condemn himself or God has done it
> for him. Are atheists now trying to say "God did it. It's his fault".
>
> Haahaahaa.
>
> the dukester, American-American
Posted on YouTube this week:
> On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 17:32:25 -0700, GSI <itchyisth...@god.com> wrote:
>
>> CNN:
>> https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/16/health/stephen-hawking-final-book-intl/index.html
>>
>
>> London (CNN)There is no God -- that's the conclusion of the celebrated
>> physicist Stephen Hawking, whose final book is published Tuesday.
>
>> "There is no God. No one directs the universe," he writes in "Brief
>> Answers to the Big Questions."
>
> WHAT!! Hawking doesn't sound like an atheist to me. He's right - no one
> directs the universe. God willed the universe and all in it into existence in
> the creation moment and then (get this) ........... let the universe evolve.
>
> After all. Either an atheist has elected to condemn himself or God has done it
> for him. Are atheists now trying to say "God did it. It's his fault".
>
> Haahaahaa.
>
> the dukester, American-American
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-cyRAwdb2Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwKosY6bP1o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX9TykLLtj0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wChxdIwMI_Y
duke
Oct 18, 2018, 5:50:01 PM10/18/18
to
On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 09:56:46 -0700, GSI <itchyisth...@god.com> wrote:
>On 2018-10-17 12:15:00 +0000, duke said:
>
>> On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 17:32:25 -0700, GSI <itchyisth...@god.com> wrote:
>>
>>> CNN:
>>> https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/16/health/stephen-hawking-final-book-intl/index.html
>>>
>>
>>> London (CNN)There is no God -- that's the conclusion of the celebrated
>>> physicist Stephen Hawking, whose final book is published Tuesday.
>>
>>> "There is no God. No one directs the universe," he writes in "Brief
>>> Answers to the Big Questions."
>>
>> WHAT!! Hawking doesn't sound like an atheist to me. He's right - no one
>> directs the universe. God willed the universe and all in it into existence in
>> the creation moment and then (get this) ........... let the universe evolve.
>>
>> After all. Either an atheist has elected to condemn himself or God has done it
>> for him. Are atheists now trying to say "God did it. It's his fault".
>>
>> Haahaahaa.
>>
>> the dukester, American-American
>
>Posted on YouTube this week:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-cyRAwdb2Q
He was just scratching the guess-work status.
>On 2018-10-17 12:15:00 +0000, duke said:
>
>> On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 17:32:25 -0700, GSI <itchyisth...@god.com> wrote:
>>
>>> CNN:
>>> https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/16/health/stephen-hawking-final-book-intl/index.html
>>>
>>
>>> London (CNN)There is no God -- that's the conclusion of the celebrated
>>> physicist Stephen Hawking, whose final book is published Tuesday.
>>
>>> "There is no God. No one directs the universe," he writes in "Brief
>>> Answers to the Big Questions."
>>
>> WHAT!! Hawking doesn't sound like an atheist to me. He's right - no one
>> directs the universe. God willed the universe and all in it into existence in
>> the creation moment and then (get this) ........... let the universe evolve.
>>
>> After all. Either an atheist has elected to condemn himself or God has done it
>> for him. Are atheists now trying to say "God did it. It's his fault".
>>
>> Haahaahaa.
>>
>> the dukester, American-American
>
>Posted on YouTube this week:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-cyRAwdb2Q
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwKosY6bP1o
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX9TykLLtj0
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wChxdIwMI_Y
>
GSI
Oct 18, 2018, 6:20:30 PM10/18/18
to
On 2018-10-18 21:49:54 +0000, duke said:
>> Posted on YouTube this week:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-cyRAwdb2Q
>
> He was just scratching the guess-work status.
I'm so shurrr. As we all know from your posts here, there was
>> Posted on YouTube this week:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-cyRAwdb2Q
>
> He was just scratching the guess-work status.
some sorta priest back in the '20s that MAY have accidently
masturbated a choirboy, but all the other estimated 200 to 300
Thousand molested kids are lying.
Andrew W
Oct 18, 2018, 6:31:21 PM10/18/18
to
>"duke" wrote in message news:k69esd9socgi7jcib...@4ax.com...
>
>After all. Either an atheist has elected to condemn himself or God has
>done it
>for him. Are atheists now trying to say "God did it. It's his fault".
>
>Haahaahaa.
>
Your god is irresponsible, careless and arrogant. He's supposed to be all
loving, in fact unconditionally loving. He's worse than many good humans.
--
http://members.optusnet.com.au/ajwerner/
Anyone or anything that sets itself up to be worshipped must be considered a
false god.
Anyone who has a master is a slave.
>
>On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 17:32:25 -0700, GSI <itchyisth...@god.com>
>wrote:
>
>>CNN:
>>https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/16/health/stephen-hawking-final-book-intl/index.html
>
>>London (CNN)There is no God -- that's the conclusion of the celebrated
>>physicist Stephen Hawking, whose final book is published Tuesday.
>
>>"There is no God. No one directs the universe," he writes in "Brief
>>Answers to the Big Questions."
>
>WHAT!! Hawking doesn't sound like an atheist to me. He's right - no one
>directs the universe. God willed the universe and all in it into existence
>in
>the creation moment and then (get this) ........... let the universe
>evolve.
>
Yeah evolve and mostly go to hell. Nice God there.
>On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 17:32:25 -0700, GSI <itchyisth...@god.com>
>wrote:
>
>>CNN:
>>https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/16/health/stephen-hawking-final-book-intl/index.html
>
>>London (CNN)There is no God -- that's the conclusion of the celebrated
>>physicist Stephen Hawking, whose final book is published Tuesday.
>
>>"There is no God. No one directs the universe," he writes in "Brief
>>Answers to the Big Questions."
>
>WHAT!! Hawking doesn't sound like an atheist to me. He's right - no one
>directs the universe. God willed the universe and all in it into existence
>in
>the creation moment and then (get this) ........... let the universe
>evolve.
>
>
>After all. Either an atheist has elected to condemn himself or God has
>done it
>for him. Are atheists now trying to say "God did it. It's his fault".
>
>Haahaahaa.
>
loving, in fact unconditionally loving. He's worse than many good humans.
--
http://members.optusnet.com.au/ajwerner/
Anyone or anything that sets itself up to be worshipped must be considered a
false god.
Anyone who has a master is a slave.
duke
Oct 24, 2018, 1:49:36 PM10/24/18
to
On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 15:20:25 -0700, GSI <itchyisth...@god.com> wrote:
>On 2018-10-18 21:49:54 +0000, duke said:
>
>>> Posted on YouTube this week:
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-cyRAwdb2Q
>>
>> He was just scratching the guess-work status.
>
>I'm so shurrr. As we all know from your posts here, there was
>some sorta priest back in the '20s that MAY have accidently
>masturbated a choirboy, but all the other estimated 200 to 300
>Thousand molested kids are lying.
No, you are.
>On 2018-10-18 21:49:54 +0000, duke said:
>
>>> Posted on YouTube this week:
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-cyRAwdb2Q
>>
>> He was just scratching the guess-work status.
>
>I'm so shurrr. As we all know from your posts here, there was
>some sorta priest back in the '20s that MAY have accidently
>masturbated a choirboy, but all the other estimated 200 to 300
>Thousand molested kids are lying.
duke
Oct 24, 2018, 1:51:44 PM10/24/18
to
On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 09:31:16 +1100, "Andrew W" <spam_a...@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
>>"duke" wrote in message news:k69esd9socgi7jcib...@4ax.com...
>>
>>On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 17:32:25 -0700, GSI <itchyisth...@god.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>CNN:
>>>https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/16/health/stephen-hawking-final-book-intl/index.html
>>
>>>London (CNN)There is no God -- that's the conclusion of the celebrated
>>>physicist Stephen Hawking, whose final book is published Tuesday.
>>
>>>"There is no God. No one directs the universe," he writes in "Brief
>>>Answers to the Big Questions."
>>
>>WHAT!! Hawking doesn't sound like an atheist to me. He's right - no one
>>directs the universe. God willed the universe and all in it into existence
>>in the creation moment and then (get this) ........... let the universe
>>evolve.
>Yeah evolve and mostly go to hell. Nice God there.
You didn't know that the universe has been expanding from a single microscopic
point to it's current size for 13.8 billion years now?
>>After all. Either an atheist has elected to condemn himself or God has
>>done it
>>for him. Are atheists now trying to say "God did it. It's his fault".
>>Haahaahaa.
>Your god is irresponsible, careless and arrogant. He's supposed to be all
>loving, in fact unconditionally loving. He's worse than many good humans.
But you don't want his love, so you fight against God. Welcome to the eternal
flames.
wrote:
>>"duke" wrote in message news:k69esd9socgi7jcib...@4ax.com...
>>
>>On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 17:32:25 -0700, GSI <itchyisth...@god.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>CNN:
>>>https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/16/health/stephen-hawking-final-book-intl/index.html
>>
>>>London (CNN)There is no God -- that's the conclusion of the celebrated
>>>physicist Stephen Hawking, whose final book is published Tuesday.
>>
>>>"There is no God. No one directs the universe," he writes in "Brief
>>>Answers to the Big Questions."
>>
>>WHAT!! Hawking doesn't sound like an atheist to me. He's right - no one
>>directs the universe. God willed the universe and all in it into existence
>>in the creation moment and then (get this) ........... let the universe
>>evolve.
>Yeah evolve and mostly go to hell. Nice God there.
point to it's current size for 13.8 billion years now?
>>After all. Either an atheist has elected to condemn himself or God has
>>done it
>>for him. Are atheists now trying to say "God did it. It's his fault".
>>Haahaahaa.
>Your god is irresponsible, careless and arrogant. He's supposed to be all
>loving, in fact unconditionally loving. He's worse than many good humans.
flames.
Andrew W
Oct 24, 2018, 5:14:07 PM10/24/18
to
>"duke" wrote in message news:k5c1tdtpd4ubrkpt3...@4ax.com...
everything started from a microscopic point. Actually that makes no sense,
it's more reasonable to say that everything started out as energy, and
matter formed later.
>
>>>After all. Either an atheist has elected to condemn himself or God has
>>>done it
>>>for him. Are atheists now trying to say "God did it. It's his fault".
>
>>>Haahaahaa.
>
>>Your god is irresponsible, careless and arrogant. He's supposed to be all
>>loving, in fact unconditionally loving. He's worse than many good humans.
>
>But you don't want his love, so you fight against God. Welcome to the
>eternal
>flames.
>
His love? First demonstrate that before saying anything else. You can't.
>
>On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 09:31:16 +1100, "Andrew W"
><spam_a...@optusnet.com.au>
>wrote:
>
>>>"duke" wrote in message
>>>news:k69esd9socgi7jcib...@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 17:32:25 -0700, GSI <itchyisth...@god.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>CNN:
>>>>https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/16/health/stephen-hawking-final-book-intl/index.html
>>>
>>>>London (CNN)There is no God -- that's the conclusion of the celebrated
>>>>physicist Stephen Hawking, whose final book is published Tuesday.
>>>
>>>>"There is no God. No one directs the universe," he writes in "Brief
>>>>Answers to the Big Questions."
>>>
>>>WHAT!! Hawking doesn't sound like an atheist to me. He's right - no one
>>>directs the universe. God willed the universe and all in it into
>>>existence
>>>in the creation moment and then (get this) ........... let the universe
>>>evolve.
>
>>Yeah evolve and mostly go to hell. Nice God there.
>
>You didn't know that the universe has been expanding from a single
>microscopic
>point to it's current size for 13.8 billion years now?
>
I didn't say that. Everybody knows that. But it's only a hypotheses that
>On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 09:31:16 +1100, "Andrew W"
><spam_a...@optusnet.com.au>
>wrote:
>
>>>"duke" wrote in message
>>>news:k69esd9socgi7jcib...@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 17:32:25 -0700, GSI <itchyisth...@god.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>CNN:
>>>>https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/16/health/stephen-hawking-final-book-intl/index.html
>>>
>>>>London (CNN)There is no God -- that's the conclusion of the celebrated
>>>>physicist Stephen Hawking, whose final book is published Tuesday.
>>>
>>>>"There is no God. No one directs the universe," he writes in "Brief
>>>>Answers to the Big Questions."
>>>
>>>WHAT!! Hawking doesn't sound like an atheist to me. He's right - no one
>>>directs the universe. God willed the universe and all in it into
>>>existence
>>>in the creation moment and then (get this) ........... let the universe
>>>evolve.
>
>>Yeah evolve and mostly go to hell. Nice God there.
>
>You didn't know that the universe has been expanding from a single
>microscopic
>point to it's current size for 13.8 billion years now?
>
everything started from a microscopic point. Actually that makes no sense,
it's more reasonable to say that everything started out as energy, and
matter formed later.
>
>>>After all. Either an atheist has elected to condemn himself or God has
>>>done it
>>>for him. Are atheists now trying to say "God did it. It's his fault".
>
>>>Haahaahaa.
>
>>Your god is irresponsible, careless and arrogant. He's supposed to be all
>>loving, in fact unconditionally loving. He's worse than many good humans.
>
>But you don't want his love, so you fight against God. Welcome to the
>eternal
>flames.
>
duke
Oct 25, 2018, 5:44:29 PM10/25/18
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On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 08:14:02 +1100, "Andrew W" <spam_a...@optusnet.com.au>
Very well could be. Whether first appearance was mass or energy or both is pure
guesswork.
>>>>After all. Either an atheist has elected to condemn himself or God has
>>>>done it
>>>>for him. Are atheists now trying to say "God did it. It's his fault".
>>>>Haahaahaa.
>>>Your god is irresponsible, careless and arrogant. He's supposed to be all
>>>loving, in fact unconditionally loving. He's worse than many good humans.
>>But you don't want his love, so you fight against God. Welcome to the
>>eternal flames.
>His love? First demonstrate that before saying anything else. You can't.
How can one like you be so opposed to the pure love of God?
guesswork.
>>>>After all. Either an atheist has elected to condemn himself or God has
>>>>done it
>>>>for him. Are atheists now trying to say "God did it. It's his fault".
>>>>Haahaahaa.
>>>Your god is irresponsible, careless and arrogant. He's supposed to be all
>>>loving, in fact unconditionally loving. He's worse than many good humans.
>>But you don't want his love, so you fight against God. Welcome to the
>>eternal flames.
>His love? First demonstrate that before saying anything else. You can't.
Andrew W
Oct 28, 2018, 4:49:11 PM10/28/18
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>"duke" wrote in message news:63e4tdhps0v1jbpat...@4ax.com...
Is there any real evidence that God loves us?
duke
Oct 30, 2018, 2:41:13 PM10/30/18
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 07:49:06 +1100, "Andrew W" <spam_a...@optusnet.com.au>
Yep, he died on the cross for us.
Andrew W
Oct 30, 2018, 5:45:31 PM10/30/18
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>"duke" wrote in message news:8d9htd979tv9eqjf1...@4ax.com...
Nope. That makes no sense for a start because he first condemned us to hell.
It's an irrational turn around.
Its purpose was obvious, to put us on the back foot by putting us into a
state of guilt and awe.
--
http://members.optusnet.com.au/ajwerner/
Anyone or anything that sets itself up to be worshipped must be considered a
false god.
Anyone who has a master is a slave.
http://www.rumormillnews.com -- The best alternative news site.
>
>On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 07:49:06 +1100, "Andrew W"
><spam_a...@optusnet.com.au>
>wrote:
>
>>>"duke" wrote in message
>>>news:63e4tdhps0v1jbpat...@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>>>>>
>On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 07:49:06 +1100, "Andrew W"
><spam_a...@optusnet.com.au>
>wrote:
>
>>>"duke" wrote in message
>>>news:63e4tdhps0v1jbpat...@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>>>>>
It's an irrational turn around.
Its purpose was obvious, to put us on the back foot by putting us into a
state of guilt and awe.
--
http://members.optusnet.com.au/ajwerner/
Anyone or anything that sets itself up to be worshipped must be considered a
false god.
Anyone who has a master is a slave.
duke
Oct 31, 2018, 1:56:30 PM10/31/18
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On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 08:45:23 +1100, "Andrew W" <spam_a...@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
>>>Is there any real evidence that God loves us?
>>Yep, he died on the cross for us.
>Nope. That makes no sense for a start because he first condemned us to hell.
When did God do that? Jesus died on the cross to redeem all mankind from
inputted sin - past, present, future.
>It's an irrational turn around.
>Its purpose was obvious, to put us on the back foot by putting us into a
>state of guilt and awe.
Your listening to satan won't work in your favor.
wrote:
>>>Is there any real evidence that God loves us?
>>Yep, he died on the cross for us.
>Nope. That makes no sense for a start because he first condemned us to hell.
inputted sin - past, present, future.
>It's an irrational turn around.
>Its purpose was obvious, to put us on the back foot by putting us into a
>state of guilt and awe.
Andrew W
Nov 1, 2018, 6:08:40 PM11/1/18
to
>"duke" wrote in message news:otqjtd5a45vu1rege...@4ax.com...
>
>Jesus died on the cross to redeem all mankind from
>inputted sin - past, present, future.
>
Makes no sense.
>
>>It's an irrational turn around.
>>Its purpose was obvious, to put us on the back foot by putting us into a
>>state of guilt and awe.
>
>Your listening to satan won't work in your favor.
>
It's satan that took over the Vatican. See below.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/vaticancityandholysee/7416458/Chief-exorcist-says-Devil-is-in-Vatican.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlV7VviHuwU
https://www.thetablet.co.uk/news/7367/vatican-investigates-catholic-group-after-exorcism-claim-that-francis-is-devil-s-man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2X_ROR-zEA
>
>On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 08:45:23 +1100, "Andrew W"
><spam_a...@optusnet.com.au>
>wrote:
>
>>>>Is there any real evidence that God loves us?
>>>Yep, he died on the cross for us.
>
>>Nope. That makes no sense for a start because he first condemned us to
>>hell.
>
>When did God do that?
>
In Genesis. Being cast out is essentially hell.
>On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 08:45:23 +1100, "Andrew W"
><spam_a...@optusnet.com.au>
>wrote:
>
>>>>Is there any real evidence that God loves us?
>>>Yep, he died on the cross for us.
>
>>Nope. That makes no sense for a start because he first condemned us to
>>hell.
>
>When did God do that?
>
>
>Jesus died on the cross to redeem all mankind from
>inputted sin - past, present, future.
>
>
>>It's an irrational turn around.
>>Its purpose was obvious, to put us on the back foot by putting us into a
>>state of guilt and awe.
>
>Your listening to satan won't work in your favor.
>
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/vaticancityandholysee/7416458/Chief-exorcist-says-Devil-is-in-Vatican.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlV7VviHuwU
https://www.thetablet.co.uk/news/7367/vatican-investigates-catholic-group-after-exorcism-claim-that-francis-is-devil-s-man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2X_ROR-zEA
Michael Christ
Nov 1, 2018, 7:10:31 PM11/1/18
to
On 2/11/2018 9:08 AM, Andrew W wrote:
>> "duke" wrote in message
>> news:otqjtd5a45vu1rege...@4ax.com...
>>
>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 08:45:23 +1100, "Andrew W"
>> <spam_a...@optusnet.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Is there any real evidence that God loves us?
>>>> Yep, he died on the cross for us.
>>
>>> Nope. That makes no sense for a start because he first condemned us
>>> to hell.
>>
>> When did God do that?
>>
>
> In Genesis. Being cast out is essentially hell.
>
>>
>> Jesus died on the cross to redeem all mankind from
>> inputted sin - past, present, future.
>>
>
> Makes no sense.
Sin wasn't imputed, it was committed.
>> "duke" wrote in message
>> news:otqjtd5a45vu1rege...@4ax.com...
>>
>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 08:45:23 +1100, "Andrew W"
>> <spam_a...@optusnet.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Is there any real evidence that God loves us?
>>>> Yep, he died on the cross for us.
>>
>>> Nope. That makes no sense for a start because he first condemned us
>>> to hell.
>>
>> When did God do that?
>>
>
> In Genesis. Being cast out is essentially hell.
>
>>
>> Jesus died on the cross to redeem all mankind from
>> inputted sin - past, present, future.
>>
>
> Makes no sense.
Jesus went to the cross so that we could be forgiven for our sins but
that did not mean if you become religious that you are no longer
responsible for what you do.
There is something so evil, so pervasive that happens in the
Christianity religion that says this...
A man (for example) comes before a judge charged with raping and killing
an 8 year old girl. The judge passes the sentence of death by hanging.
Jesus walks in and says, I will take their place. Okay the man goes and
walks out of the court room free. He gets onto the street and becomes
religious and says I have changed my ways and I claim the righteousness
of Jesus and am saved.
Oh no, he is still the raper and murderer of the 8 year old girl!
And given the tightening of the screw in his life, things don't go the
way he likes it, he would do the same thing again.
Transformation can only occur if that man gives his whole life to God,
to the Lord Jesus who died for our sins but did not stay dead and rose
from the grave.
I know, its a miracle but there were recorded witnesses! :-).
Point is, we are what we are and there is no denying that. Sinful
people, who need changing, that is why the world is going the way it is
going.
If you want to change...next stop...Jesus...not religion...the Lord
Jesus Christ.
Yes, Satan is the Vatican, but that is not the only place he lives and
his ways live on.
Michael Christ
Andrew W
Nov 2, 2018, 1:18:29 AM11/2/18
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>"Michael Christ" wrote in message news:prg155$fnr$1...@dont-email.me...
a god figure for everything.
And God killed his son/himself just to forgive us? That's idiotic and
barbaric. It's also contradictory because why get so worked up over one
mistake, and then do such a huge backflip?? People came up with such
nonsense in the dark ages.
>
>There is something so evil, so pervasive that happens in the Christianity
>religion that says this...
>
>A man (for example) comes before a judge charged with raping and killing an
>8 year old girl. The judge passes the sentence of death by hanging. Jesus
>walks in and says, I will take their place. Okay the man goes and walks
>out of the court room free. He gets onto the street and becomes religious
>and says I have changed my ways and I claim the righteousness of Jesus and
>am saved.
>
>Oh no, he is still the raper and murderer of the 8 year old girl!
>
>And given the tightening of the screw in his life, things don't go the way
>he likes it, he would do the same thing again.
>
>Transformation can only occur if that man gives his whole life to God, to
>the Lord Jesus who died for our sins but did not stay dead and rose from
>the grave.
>
>I know, its a miracle but there were recorded witnesses! :-).
>
Or it was a story with figurative witnesses.
>
>Point is, we are what we are and there is no denying that. Sinful people,
>who need changing, that is why the world is going the way it is going.
>
We are only bad because evil was allowed into this world by a false god
called Jehovah.
>
>If you want to change...next stop...Jesus...not religion...the Lord Jesus
>Christ.
>
Actually there is evidence that Jesus was a made up name representing more
than one individual. A composite character. It is known that the Catholic
church voted on the name.
>
>Yes, Satan is the Vatican, but that is not the only place he lives and his
>ways live on.
>
His ways live on in Christianity, the religion of disempowerment, submission
and enslavement. Easy targets for the dark one.
>On 2/11/2018 9:08 AM, Andrew W wrote:
>>> "duke" wrote in message
>>> news:otqjtd5a45vu1rege...@4ax.com...
>>>
>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 08:45:23 +1100, "Andrew W"
>>> <spam_a...@optusnet.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Is there any real evidence that God loves us?
>>>>> Yep, he died on the cross for us.
>>>
>>>> Nope. That makes no sense for a start because he first condemned us to
>>>> hell.
>>>
>>> When did God do that?
>>>
>>
>> In Genesis. Being cast out is essentially hell.
>>
>>>
>>> Jesus died on the cross to redeem all mankind from
>>> inputted sin - past, present, future.
>>>
>>
>> Makes no sense.
>
>Sin wasn't imputed, it was committed.
>
>Jesus went to the cross so that we could be forgiven for our sins but that
>did not mean if you become religious that you are no longer responsible for
>what you do.
>
Christianity takes away some of our responsibility by telling us to look to
>>> "duke" wrote in message
>>> news:otqjtd5a45vu1rege...@4ax.com...
>>>
>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 08:45:23 +1100, "Andrew W"
>>> <spam_a...@optusnet.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Is there any real evidence that God loves us?
>>>>> Yep, he died on the cross for us.
>>>
>>>> Nope. That makes no sense for a start because he first condemned us to
>>>> hell.
>>>
>>> When did God do that?
>>>
>>
>> In Genesis. Being cast out is essentially hell.
>>
>>>
>>> Jesus died on the cross to redeem all mankind from
>>> inputted sin - past, present, future.
>>>
>>
>> Makes no sense.
>
>Sin wasn't imputed, it was committed.
>
>Jesus went to the cross so that we could be forgiven for our sins but that
>did not mean if you become religious that you are no longer responsible for
>what you do.
>
a god figure for everything.
And God killed his son/himself just to forgive us? That's idiotic and
barbaric. It's also contradictory because why get so worked up over one
mistake, and then do such a huge backflip?? People came up with such
nonsense in the dark ages.
>
>There is something so evil, so pervasive that happens in the Christianity
>religion that says this...
>
>A man (for example) comes before a judge charged with raping and killing an
>8 year old girl. The judge passes the sentence of death by hanging. Jesus
>walks in and says, I will take their place. Okay the man goes and walks
>out of the court room free. He gets onto the street and becomes religious
>and says I have changed my ways and I claim the righteousness of Jesus and
>am saved.
>
>Oh no, he is still the raper and murderer of the 8 year old girl!
>
>And given the tightening of the screw in his life, things don't go the way
>he likes it, he would do the same thing again.
>
>Transformation can only occur if that man gives his whole life to God, to
>the Lord Jesus who died for our sins but did not stay dead and rose from
>the grave.
>
>I know, its a miracle but there were recorded witnesses! :-).
>
>
>Point is, we are what we are and there is no denying that. Sinful people,
>who need changing, that is why the world is going the way it is going.
>
called Jehovah.
>
>If you want to change...next stop...Jesus...not religion...the Lord Jesus
>Christ.
>
than one individual. A composite character. It is known that the Catholic
church voted on the name.
>
>Yes, Satan is the Vatican, but that is not the only place he lives and his
>ways live on.
>
and enslavement. Easy targets for the dark one.
Michael Christ
Nov 2, 2018, 4:20:14 AM11/2/18
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> It's also contradictory because why get so worked up over one
> mistake, and then do such a huge backflip?? People came up with such
> nonsense in the dark ages.
The feared God more back then.
>> There is something so evil, so pervasive that happens in the
>> Christianity religion that says this...
>>
>> A man (for example) comes before a judge charged with raping and
>> killing an 8 year old girl. The judge passes the sentence of death by
>> hanging. Jesus walks in and says, I will take their place. Okay the
>> man goes and walks out of the court room free. He gets onto the
>> street and becomes religious and says I have changed my ways and I
>> claim the righteousness of Jesus and am saved.
>>
>> Oh no, he is still the raper and murderer of the 8 year old girl!
>>
>> And given the tightening of the screw in his life, things don't go the
>> way he likes it, he would do the same thing again.
>>
>> Transformation can only occur if that man gives his whole life to God,
>> to the Lord Jesus who died for our sins but did not stay dead and rose
>> from the grave.
>>
>> I know, its a miracle but there were recorded witnesses! :-).
>>
>
> Or it was a story with figurative witnesses.
said something.
>> Point is, we are what we are and there is no denying that. Sinful
>> people, who need changing, that is why the world is going the way it
>> is going.
>>
>
> We are only bad because evil was allowed into this world by a false god
> called Jehovah.
Unless you allow the Lord to change you, you will remain as you are.
>>
>> If you want to change...next stop...Jesus...not religion...the Lord
>> Jesus Christ.
>>
>
> Actually there is evidence that Jesus was a made up name representing
> more than one individual. A composite character. It is known that the
> Catholic church voted on the name.
And...where is that??
Also, I don't take any notice of what the Catholic church says.
>> Yes, Satan is the Vatican, but that is not the only place he lives and
>> his ways live on.
>>
>
> His ways live on in Christianity, the religion of disempowerment,
> submission and enslavement. Easy targets for the dark one.
>
Michael Christ
duke
Nov 2, 2018, 12:48:12 PM11/2/18
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On Fri, 2 Nov 2018 09:08:34 +1100, "Andrew W" <spam_a...@optusnet.com.au>
is the bible doesn't cut it as far as covering your lies..
>>Jesus died on the cross to redeem all mankind from
>>inputted sin - past, present, future.
>Makes no sense.
You have no sense.
>>>It's an irrational turn around.
>>>Its purpose was obvious, to put us on the back foot by putting us into a
>>>state of guilt and awe.
>>Your listening to satan won't work in your favor.
>It's satan that took over the Vatican. See below.
No, Jesus assigned the first Pope and then specified the method of replacement.
wrote:
>>"duke" wrote in message news:otqjtd5a45vu1rege...@4ax.com...
>>
>>On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 08:45:23 +1100, "Andrew W"
>><spam_a...@optusnet.com.au>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>>>Is there any real evidence that God loves us?
>>>>Yep, he died on the cross for us.
>>
>>>Nope. That makes no sense for a start because he first condemned us to
>>>hell.
>>When did God do that?
>In Genesis. Being cast out is essentially hell.
But you don't get cast out unless you live for sin. And listing a single book
>>"duke" wrote in message news:otqjtd5a45vu1rege...@4ax.com...
>>
>>On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 08:45:23 +1100, "Andrew W"
>><spam_a...@optusnet.com.au>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>>>Is there any real evidence that God loves us?
>>>>Yep, he died on the cross for us.
>>
>>>Nope. That makes no sense for a start because he first condemned us to
>>>hell.
>>When did God do that?
>In Genesis. Being cast out is essentially hell.
is the bible doesn't cut it as far as covering your lies..
>>Jesus died on the cross to redeem all mankind from
>>inputted sin - past, present, future.
>Makes no sense.
>>>It's an irrational turn around.
>>>Its purpose was obvious, to put us on the back foot by putting us into a
>>>state of guilt and awe.
>>Your listening to satan won't work in your favor.
>It's satan that took over the Vatican. See below.
duke
Nov 2, 2018, 2:35:43 PM11/2/18
to
On Fri, 2 Nov 2018 10:10:29 +1100, Michael Christ
<jesusisth...@hotmail.con> wrote:
>>> Jesus died on the cross to redeem all mankind from
>>> inputted sin - past, present, future.
>> Makes no sense.
>Sin wasn't imputed, it was committed.
Wrong. The sin of A&E is inputted to man just like our 10 fingers and toes.
<jesusisth...@hotmail.con> wrote:
>>> Jesus died on the cross to redeem all mankind from
>>> inputted sin - past, present, future.
>> Makes no sense.
>Sin wasn't imputed, it was committed.
>Jesus went to the cross so that we could be forgiven for our sins but
>that did not mean if you become religious that you are no longer
>responsible for what you do.
our own actual sins up to the time of our baptism
>There is something so evil, so pervasive that happens in the
>Christianity religion that says this...
>
>A man (for example) comes before a judge charged with raping and killing
>an 8 year old girl. The judge passes the sentence of death by hanging.
>Jesus walks in and says, I will take their place. Okay the man goes and
>walks out of the court room free. He gets onto the street and becomes
>religious and says I have changed my ways and I claim the righteousness
>of Jesus and am saved.
>
>Oh no, he is still the raper and murderer of the 8 year old girl!
>And given the tightening of the screw in his life, things don't go the
>way he likes it, he would do the same thing again.
>Transformation can only occur if that man gives his whole life to God,
>to the Lord Jesus who died for our sins but did not stay dead and rose
>from the grave.
of your baptism, the rest of your live is in your hands. That's what the fires
are for.
>Yes, Satan is the Vatican, but that is not the only place he lives and
>his ways live on.
violate God.
You wasted your time in scripture learning nothing.
duke
Nov 2, 2018, 2:36:30 PM11/2/18
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On Fri, 2 Nov 2018 16:18:25 +1100, "Andrew W" <spam_a...@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
>>"Michael Christ" wrote in message news:prg155$fnr$1...@dont-email.me...
>>On 2/11/2018 9:08 AM, Andrew W wrote:
>>>> "duke" wrote in message
>>>> news:otqjtd5a45vu1rege...@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 08:45:23 +1100, "Andrew W"
>>>> <spam_a...@optusnet.com.au>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there any real evidence that God loves us?
>>>>>> Yep, he died on the cross for us.
>>>>
>>>>> Nope. That makes no sense for a start because he first condemned us to
>>>>> hell.
>>>>
>>>> When did God do that?
>>>>
>>>
>>> In Genesis. Being cast out is essentially hell.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jesus died on the cross to redeem all mankind from
>>>> inputted sin - past, present, future.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Makes no sense.
>>
>>Sin wasn't imputed, it was committed.
>>
>>Jesus went to the cross so that we could be forgiven for our sins but that
>>did not mean if you become religious that you are no longer responsible for
>>what you do.
>>
>
>Christianity takes away some of our responsibility by telling us to look to
>a god figure for everything.
>And God killed his son/himself just to forgive us?
Nope. That's that the point.
>>"Michael Christ" wrote in message news:prg155$fnr$1...@dont-email.me...
>>On 2/11/2018 9:08 AM, Andrew W wrote:
>>>> "duke" wrote in message
>>>> news:otqjtd5a45vu1rege...@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 08:45:23 +1100, "Andrew W"
>>>> <spam_a...@optusnet.com.au>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there any real evidence that God loves us?
>>>>>> Yep, he died on the cross for us.
>>>>
>>>>> Nope. That makes no sense for a start because he first condemned us to
>>>>> hell.
>>>>
>>>> When did God do that?
>>>>
>>>
>>> In Genesis. Being cast out is essentially hell.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jesus died on the cross to redeem all mankind from
>>>> inputted sin - past, present, future.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Makes no sense.
>>
>>Sin wasn't imputed, it was committed.
>>
>>Jesus went to the cross so that we could be forgiven for our sins but that
>>did not mean if you become religious that you are no longer responsible for
>>what you do.
>>
>
>Christianity takes away some of our responsibility by telling us to look to
>a god figure for everything.
>And God killed his son/himself just to forgive us?
Andrew W
Nov 3, 2018, 3:22:39 AM11/3/18
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>"Michael Christ" wrote in message news:prh1bs$cfm$1...@dont-email.me...
God could dissolve it instantly. It would be like turning a light on in a
room. There's no need for anyone innocent to die or suffer. That's the pagan
part of Christianity (blood sacrifice) that it adopted from older religions
to increase its popularity.
>
>> It's also contradictory because why get so worked up over one mistake,
>> and then do such a huge backflip?? People came up with such nonsense in
>> the dark ages.
>
>The evil of today is worse.
>
And God let it get to this extreme point without doing anything.
>
>The feared God more back then.
>
Why do we need to adopt ancient people's fears?
>
>>> There is something so evil, so pervasive that happens in the
>>> Christianity religion that says this...
>>>
>>> A man (for example) comes before a judge charged with raping and killing
>>> an 8 year old girl. The judge passes the sentence of death by hanging.
>>> Jesus walks in and says, I will take their place. Okay the man goes and
>>> walks out of the court room free. He gets onto the street and becomes
>>> religious and says I have changed my ways and I claim the righteousness
>>> of Jesus and am saved.
>>>
>>> Oh no, he is still the raper and murderer of the 8 year old girl!
>>>
>>> And given the tightening of the screw in his life, things don't go the
>>> way he likes it, he would do the same thing again.
>>>
>>> Transformation can only occur if that man gives his whole life to God,
>>> to the Lord Jesus who died for our sins but did not stay dead and rose
>>> from the grave.
>>>
>>> I know, its a miracle but there were recorded witnesses! :-).
>>>
>>
>> Or it was a story with figurative witnesses.
>
>Say what you like, think what you like, but there were witnesses that said
>something.
>
There's scriptural evidence to the contrary. See the works of Prof. Bart
Ehrman.
>
>
>>> Point is, we are what we are and there is no denying that. Sinful
>>> people, who need changing, that is why the world is going the way it is
>>> going.
>>>
>>
>> We are only bad because evil was allowed into this world by a false god
>> called Jehovah.
>
>We are bad because we are bad.
>
Then we were made bad. A creation can only be what it was created to be. If
we were made in God's image then he must be bad too.
>
>Unless you allow the Lord to change you, you will remain as you are.
>
Why do we need to be changed from our original design? Why not make us right
in the first place?
>
>>>
>>> If you want to change...next stop...Jesus...not religion...the Lord
>>> Jesus Christ.
>>>
>>
>> Actually there is evidence that Jesus was a made up name representing
>> more than one individual. A composite character. It is known that the
>> Catholic church voted on the name.
>
>Evidence eh??
>
>And...where is that??
>
I'll post the evidence as soon as I find it again.
>
>Also, I don't take any notice of what the Catholic church says.
>
The Catholic church formed most of Christianity's beliefs about God and
Jesus.
>
>
>>> Yes, Satan is the Vatican, but that is not the only place he lives and
>>> his ways live on.
>>>
>>
>> His ways live on in Christianity, the religion of disempowerment,
>> submission and enslavement. Easy targets for the dark one.
>>
>
>
>Counterfeit, yes, but not the real coin, Bud.
>
>
room. There's no need for anyone innocent to die or suffer. That's the pagan
part of Christianity (blood sacrifice) that it adopted from older religions
to increase its popularity.
>
>> It's also contradictory because why get so worked up over one mistake,
>> and then do such a huge backflip?? People came up with such nonsense in
>> the dark ages.
>
>The evil of today is worse.
>
>
>The feared God more back then.
>
>
>>> There is something so evil, so pervasive that happens in the
>>> Christianity religion that says this...
>>>
>>> A man (for example) comes before a judge charged with raping and killing
>>> an 8 year old girl. The judge passes the sentence of death by hanging.
>>> Jesus walks in and says, I will take their place. Okay the man goes and
>>> walks out of the court room free. He gets onto the street and becomes
>>> religious and says I have changed my ways and I claim the righteousness
>>> of Jesus and am saved.
>>>
>>> Oh no, he is still the raper and murderer of the 8 year old girl!
>>>
>>> And given the tightening of the screw in his life, things don't go the
>>> way he likes it, he would do the same thing again.
>>>
>>> Transformation can only occur if that man gives his whole life to God,
>>> to the Lord Jesus who died for our sins but did not stay dead and rose
>>> from the grave.
>>>
>>> I know, its a miracle but there were recorded witnesses! :-).
>>>
>>
>> Or it was a story with figurative witnesses.
>
>Say what you like, think what you like, but there were witnesses that said
>something.
>
Ehrman.
>
>
>>> Point is, we are what we are and there is no denying that. Sinful
>>> people, who need changing, that is why the world is going the way it is
>>> going.
>>>
>>
>> We are only bad because evil was allowed into this world by a false god
>> called Jehovah.
>
>We are bad because we are bad.
>
we were made in God's image then he must be bad too.
>
>Unless you allow the Lord to change you, you will remain as you are.
>
in the first place?
>
>>>
>>> If you want to change...next stop...Jesus...not religion...the Lord
>>> Jesus Christ.
>>>
>>
>> Actually there is evidence that Jesus was a made up name representing
>> more than one individual. A composite character. It is known that the
>> Catholic church voted on the name.
>
>Evidence eh??
>
>And...where is that??
>
>
>Also, I don't take any notice of what the Catholic church says.
>
Jesus.
>
>
>>> Yes, Satan is the Vatican, but that is not the only place he lives and
>>> his ways live on.
>>>
>>
>> His ways live on in Christianity, the religion of disempowerment,
>> submission and enslavement. Easy targets for the dark one.
>>
>
>
>Counterfeit, yes, but not the real coin, Bud.
>
>
duke
Nov 3, 2018, 8:02:03 AM11/3/18
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On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 18:22:31 +1100, "Andrew W" <spam_a...@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
>>It just shows how dark sin is. His sacrifice was at great cost.
>God could dissolve it instantly. It would be like turning a light on in a
>room. There's no need for anyone innocent to die or suffer. That's the pagan
>part of Christianity (blood sacrifice) that it adopted from older religions
>to increase its popularity.
Yet you still don't get what God is calling us to do. That is to overcome our
sin nature ourselves - because it's what we want to do in following the
teachings of Jesus Christ and thus achieve the kingdom of God. Of course he
could flash us clean in a heart beat. But all that would do is encourage us to
continue to sin as there is no penalty to do so.
>>> It's also contradictory because why get so worked up over one mistake,
>>> and then do such a huge backflip?? People came up with such nonsense in
>>> the dark ages.
>>The evil of today is worse.
>And God let it get to this extreme point without doing anything.
If you can't over come your own evil, what are you to God?
>>The feared God more back then.
>Why do we need to adopt ancient people's fears?
Same reason. Violation of God. Different occasion, same problem nature
>>>> Point is, we are what we are and there is no denying that. Sinful
>>>> people, who need changing, that is why the world is going the way it is
>>>> going.
>>>>
>>>
>>> We are only bad because evil was allowed into this world by a false god
>>> called Jehovah.
>>
>>We are bad because we are bad.
>Then we were made bad. A creation can only be what it was created to be. If
>we were made in God's image then he must be bad too.
We are ALL fully capable of listening to God and living as he calls us and thus
attain the kingdom of Heaven for all eternity. It is our own evil nature that
gets in the way. Control yourself and all will be well..
wrote:
>>It just shows how dark sin is. His sacrifice was at great cost.
>God could dissolve it instantly. It would be like turning a light on in a
>room. There's no need for anyone innocent to die or suffer. That's the pagan
>part of Christianity (blood sacrifice) that it adopted from older religions
>to increase its popularity.
sin nature ourselves - because it's what we want to do in following the
teachings of Jesus Christ and thus achieve the kingdom of God. Of course he
could flash us clean in a heart beat. But all that would do is encourage us to
continue to sin as there is no penalty to do so.
>>> It's also contradictory because why get so worked up over one mistake,
>>> and then do such a huge backflip?? People came up with such nonsense in
>>> the dark ages.
>>The evil of today is worse.
>And God let it get to this extreme point without doing anything.
>>The feared God more back then.
>Why do we need to adopt ancient people's fears?
>>>> Point is, we are what we are and there is no denying that. Sinful
>>>> people, who need changing, that is why the world is going the way it is
>>>> going.
>>>>
>>>
>>> We are only bad because evil was allowed into this world by a false god
>>> called Jehovah.
>>
>>We are bad because we are bad.
>Then we were made bad. A creation can only be what it was created to be. If
>we were made in God's image then he must be bad too.
attain the kingdom of Heaven for all eternity. It is our own evil nature that
gets in the way. Control yourself and all will be well..
>
>>
>>Unless you allow the Lord to change you, you will remain as you are.
>>
>
>Why do we need to be changed from our original design? Why not make us right
>in the first place?
>
>>
>>>>
>>>> If you want to change...next stop...Jesus...not religion...the Lord
>>>> Jesus Christ.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Actually there is evidence that Jesus was a made up name representing
>>> more than one individual. A composite character. It is known that the
>>> Catholic church voted on the name.
>>
>>Evidence eh??
>>
>>And...where is that??
>>
>
>I'll post the evidence as soon as I find it again.
>
>>
>>Also, I don't take any notice of what the Catholic church says.
>>
>
>The Catholic church formed most of Christianity's beliefs about God and
>Jesus.
>
>>
>>
>>>> Yes, Satan is the Vatican, but that is not the only place he lives and
>>>> his ways live on.
>>>>
>>>
>>> His ways live on in Christianity, the religion of disempowerment,
>>> submission and enslavement. Easy targets for the dark one.
>>>
>>
>>
>>Counterfeit, yes, but not the real coin, Bud.
>>
>>
>>
>>Unless you allow the Lord to change you, you will remain as you are.
>>
>
>Why do we need to be changed from our original design? Why not make us right
>in the first place?
>
>>
>>>>
>>>> If you want to change...next stop...Jesus...not religion...the Lord
>>>> Jesus Christ.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Actually there is evidence that Jesus was a made up name representing
>>> more than one individual. A composite character. It is known that the
>>> Catholic church voted on the name.
>>
>>Evidence eh??
>>
>>And...where is that??
>>
>
>I'll post the evidence as soon as I find it again.
>
>>
>>Also, I don't take any notice of what the Catholic church says.
>>
>
>The Catholic church formed most of Christianity's beliefs about God and
>Jesus.
>
>>
>>
>>>> Yes, Satan is the Vatican, but that is not the only place he lives and
>>>> his ways live on.
>>>>
>>>
>>> His ways live on in Christianity, the religion of disempowerment,
>>> submission and enslavement. Easy targets for the dark one.
>>>
>>
>>
>>Counterfeit, yes, but not the real coin, Bud.
>>
>>
Andrew W
Nov 3, 2018, 6:19:33 PM11/3/18
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>"duke" wrote in message news:8e2rtddoljlg9isjb...@4ax.com...
are just carrying out exactly what he planned. He can't complain.
>
>>>> It's also contradictory because why get so worked up over one mistake,
>>>> and then do such a huge backflip?? People came up with such nonsense
>>>> in
>>>> the dark ages.
>
>>>The evil of today is worse.
>
>>And God let it get to this extreme point without doing anything.
>
>If you can't over come your own evil, what are you to God?
>
What evil? Me? Prove it.
Where did evil come from? Everything must have an origin and purpose. God
created or at least set in motion the concepts of evil and sin like he
created everything else.
>
>>>The feared God more back then.
>>Why do we need to adopt ancient people's fears?
>
>Same reason. Violation of God. Different occasion, same problem nature
>
Bad reasoning.
>
>>>>> Point is, we are what we are and there is no denying that. Sinful
>>>>> people, who need changing, that is why the world is going the way it
>>>>> is
>>>>> going.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We are only bad because evil was allowed into this world by a false god
>>>> called Jehovah.
>>>
>>>We are bad because we are bad.
>
>>Then we were made bad. A creation can only be what it was created to be.
>>If
>>we were made in God's image then he must be bad too.
>
>We are ALL fully capable of listening to God and living as he calls us and
>thus
>attain the kingdom of Heaven for all eternity. It is our own evil nature
>that
>gets in the way. Control yourself and all will be well..
>>
Evil had to have an origin and that can only be one, which is the Creator of
all things. He knew the future so this was obviously his plan. One who plans
evil which brings suffering and death to innocents is inherently evil.
>
>On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 18:22:31 +1100, "Andrew W"
><spam_a...@optusnet.com.au>
>wrote:
>
>>>It just shows how dark sin is. His sacrifice was at great cost.
>
>>God could dissolve it instantly. It would be like turning a light on in a
>>room. There's no need for anyone innocent to die or suffer. That's the
>>pagan
>>part of Christianity (blood sacrifice) that it adopted from older
>>religions
>>to increase its popularity.
>
>Yet you still don't get what God is calling us to do. That is to overcome
>our
>sin nature ourselves - because it's what we want to do in following the
>teachings of Jesus Christ and thus achieve the kingdom of God. Of course
>he
>could flash us clean in a heart beat. But all that would do is encourage
>us to
>continue to sin as there is no penalty to do so.
>
God made us to be sinners. He knew the future and knew what he was doing. We
>On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 18:22:31 +1100, "Andrew W"
><spam_a...@optusnet.com.au>
>wrote:
>
>>>It just shows how dark sin is. His sacrifice was at great cost.
>
>>God could dissolve it instantly. It would be like turning a light on in a
>>room. There's no need for anyone innocent to die or suffer. That's the
>>pagan
>>part of Christianity (blood sacrifice) that it adopted from older
>>religions
>>to increase its popularity.
>
>Yet you still don't get what God is calling us to do. That is to overcome
>our
>sin nature ourselves - because it's what we want to do in following the
>teachings of Jesus Christ and thus achieve the kingdom of God. Of course
>he
>could flash us clean in a heart beat. But all that would do is encourage
>us to
>continue to sin as there is no penalty to do so.
>
are just carrying out exactly what he planned. He can't complain.
>
>>>> It's also contradictory because why get so worked up over one mistake,
>>>> and then do such a huge backflip?? People came up with such nonsense
>>>> in
>>>> the dark ages.
>
>>>The evil of today is worse.
>
>>And God let it get to this extreme point without doing anything.
>
>If you can't over come your own evil, what are you to God?
>
Where did evil come from? Everything must have an origin and purpose. God
created or at least set in motion the concepts of evil and sin like he
created everything else.
>
>>>The feared God more back then.
>>Why do we need to adopt ancient people's fears?
>
>Same reason. Violation of God. Different occasion, same problem nature
>
>
>>>>> Point is, we are what we are and there is no denying that. Sinful
>>>>> people, who need changing, that is why the world is going the way it
>>>>> is
>>>>> going.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We are only bad because evil was allowed into this world by a false god
>>>> called Jehovah.
>>>
>>>We are bad because we are bad.
>
>>Then we were made bad. A creation can only be what it was created to be.
>>If
>>we were made in God's image then he must be bad too.
>
>We are ALL fully capable of listening to God and living as he calls us and
>thus
>attain the kingdom of Heaven for all eternity. It is our own evil nature
>that
>gets in the way. Control yourself and all will be well..
>>
all things. He knew the future so this was obviously his plan. One who plans
evil which brings suffering and death to innocents is inherently evil.
%
Nov 3, 2018, 6:24:21 PM11/3/18
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the evil is those who call it such
Andrew W
Nov 3, 2018, 6:38:00 PM11/3/18
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>"%" wrote in message news:bnhsnm....@news.alt.net...
It has created more division, persecution and wars. The phoney hell doctrine
especially.
especially.
duke
Nov 4, 2018, 8:10:34 AM11/4/18
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On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 09:19:29 +1100, "Andrew W" <spam_a...@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
>>Yet you still don't get what God is calling us to do. That is to overcome
>>our sin nature ourselves
him or satan.
>>If you can't over come your own evil, what are you to God?
>What evil? Me? Prove it.
Don't need to. God fully knows you.
>Evil had to have an origin and that can only be one, which is the Creator of
>all things.
No, God gave us free choice - he or satan.
wrote:
>>Yet you still don't get what God is calling us to do. That is to overcome
>>our sin nature ourselves
>God made us to be sinners. He knew the future and knew what he was doing. We
>are just carrying out exactly what he planned. He can't complain.
No, God didn't MAKE us to sin. He specifically MADE to decide what we wanted -
>are just carrying out exactly what he planned. He can't complain.
him or satan.
>>If you can't over come your own evil, what are you to God?
>What evil? Me? Prove it.
>Evil had to have an origin and that can only be one, which is the Creator of
>all things.
duke
Nov 4, 2018, 8:11:08 AM11/4/18
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On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 09:37:56 +1100, "Andrew W" <spam_a...@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
>>"%" wrote in message news:bnhsnm....@news.alt.net...
>>On 2018-11-03 3:19 PM, Andrew W wrote:
>>>
>>> Evil had to have an origin and that can only be one, which is the Creator
>>> of all things. He knew the future so this was obviously his plan. One who
>>> plans evil which brings suffering and death to innocents is inherently
>>> evil.
>>>
>>>
>>his bringing death brings so many closer together ,
>>the evil is those who call it such
>It has created more division, persecution and wars. The phoney hell doctrine
>especially.
God sees us, and we can't hide.
wrote:
>>"%" wrote in message news:bnhsnm....@news.alt.net...
>>On 2018-11-03 3:19 PM, Andrew W wrote:
>>>
>>> Evil had to have an origin and that can only be one, which is the Creator
>>> of all things. He knew the future so this was obviously his plan. One who
>>> plans evil which brings suffering and death to innocents is inherently
>>> evil.
>>>
>>>
>>his bringing death brings so many closer together ,
>>the evil is those who call it such
>It has created more division, persecution and wars. The phoney hell doctrine
>especially.
Melzzzzz
Nov 4, 2018, 8:27:16 AM11/4/18
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On 2018-11-04, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
> *****
> The Purpose of the NT Word of God is not to inform as it did in
> the OT,but instead to form us in the very image of Jesus Christ.
> *****
Duke, all know nothing crawler...
>
>
> *****
> The Purpose of the NT Word of God is not to inform as it did in
> the OT,but instead to form us in the very image of Jesus Christ.
> *****
--
press any key to continue or any other to quit...
Andrew W
Nov 4, 2018, 7:30:54 PM11/4/18
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>"duke" wrote in message news:morttdpk7i59bg9mr...@4ax.com...
first.
If we are just creations then we are essentially just product like any
products, just like a computer program. If there are bugs then the
programmer is at fault.
>
>He specifically MADE to decide what we wanted -
>him or satan.
>
That's such a stupid reason to make human creations.
>
>>>If you can't over come your own evil, what are you to God?
>>What evil? Me? Prove it.
>
>Don't need to. God fully knows you.
>
But you don't so quit your prejudice.
>
>>Evil had to have an origin and that can only be one, which is the Creator
>>of
>>all things.
>
>No, God gave us free choice - he or satan.
>
Free choice does not create evil.
Plus God could have created A&E smarter and more moral plus taught them
better so they would make the right choice but he didn't.
>
>On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 09:19:29 +1100, "Andrew W"
><spam_a...@optusnet.com.au>
>wrote:
>
>>>Yet you still don't get what God is calling us to do. That is to
>>>overcome
>>>our sin nature ourselves
>
>>God made us to be sinners. He knew the future and knew what he was doing.
>>We
>>are just carrying out exactly what he planned. He can't complain.
>
>No, God didn't MAKE us to sin.
>
Wrong. Nothing can happen without the Creator planning and making it happen
>On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 09:19:29 +1100, "Andrew W"
><spam_a...@optusnet.com.au>
>wrote:
>
>>>Yet you still don't get what God is calling us to do. That is to
>>>overcome
>>>our sin nature ourselves
>
>>God made us to be sinners. He knew the future and knew what he was doing.
>>We
>>are just carrying out exactly what he planned. He can't complain.
>
>No, God didn't MAKE us to sin.
>
first.
If we are just creations then we are essentially just product like any
products, just like a computer program. If there are bugs then the
programmer is at fault.
>
>He specifically MADE to decide what we wanted -
>him or satan.
>
>
>>>If you can't over come your own evil, what are you to God?
>>What evil? Me? Prove it.
>
>Don't need to. God fully knows you.
>
>
>>Evil had to have an origin and that can only be one, which is the Creator
>>of
>>all things.
>
>No, God gave us free choice - he or satan.
>
Plus God could have created A&E smarter and more moral plus taught them
better so they would make the right choice but he didn't.
duke
Nov 5, 2018, 5:05:42 PM11/5/18
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On Sun, 04 Nov 2018 13:27:14 GMT, Melzzzzz <Melz...@zzzzz.com> wrote:
>On 2018-11-04, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>> The Purpose of the NT Word of God is not to inform as it did in
>> the OT,but instead to form us in the very image of Jesus Christ.
>> *****
>
>Duke, all know nothing crawler...
Wow, a worm returns.
>On 2018-11-04, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>> The Purpose of the NT Word of God is not to inform as it did in
>> the OT,but instead to form us in the very image of Jesus Christ.
>> *****
>
>Duke, all know nothing crawler...
the dukester, American-American
duke
Nov 5, 2018, 5:14:42 PM11/5/18
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On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 11:30:49 +1100, "Andrew W" <spam_a...@optusnet.com.au>
>If we are just creations then we are essentially just product like any
>products, just like a computer program. If there are bugs then the
>programmer is at fault.
>>He specifically MADE to decide what we wanted -
>>him or satan.
>That's such a stupid reason to make human creations.
Your choice - follow God as he teaches us, or follow satan as you wish. There
are consequences - eternal love of God or eternal fires of hell.
>>>>If you can't over come your own evil, what are you to God?
>>>What evil? Me? Prove it.
>>Don't need to. God fully knows you.
>But you don't so quit your prejudice.
What prejudice?
>>>Evil had to have an origin and that can only be one, which is the Creator
>>>of
>>>all things.
>>No, God gave us free choice - he or satan.
>Free choice does not create evil.
Well, you're not really wrong. YOU..........are evil in action when you defy
God. It goes back to free choice. And you are really some bad ass.
>Plus God could have created A&E smarter and more moral plus taught them
>better so they would make the right choice but he didn't.
Not if the whole idea is to challenge you and see if you can find it in yourself
to follow God vs the material world you prefer. What you prefer over God is
bad, bad, bad for your eternal salvation.
wrote:
>>"duke" wrote in message news:morttdpk7i59bg9mr...@4ax.com...
>>
>>On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 09:19:29 +1100, "Andrew W"
>><spam_a...@optusnet.com.au>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>>Yet you still don't get what God is calling us to do. That is to
>>>>overcome
>>>>our sin nature ourselves
>>
>>>God made us to be sinners. He knew the future and knew what he was doing.
>>>We
>>>are just carrying out exactly what he planned. He can't complain.
>>
>>No, God didn't MAKE us to sin.
>>
>
>Wrong. Nothing can happen without the Creator planning and making it happen
>first.
Well, you for sure are ignorant of God. Are you really a puppet?
>>"duke" wrote in message news:morttdpk7i59bg9mr...@4ax.com...
>>
>>On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 09:19:29 +1100, "Andrew W"
>><spam_a...@optusnet.com.au>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>>Yet you still don't get what God is calling us to do. That is to
>>>>overcome
>>>>our sin nature ourselves
>>
>>>God made us to be sinners. He knew the future and knew what he was doing.
>>>We
>>>are just carrying out exactly what he planned. He can't complain.
>>
>>No, God didn't MAKE us to sin.
>>
>
>Wrong. Nothing can happen without the Creator planning and making it happen
>first.
>If we are just creations then we are essentially just product like any
>products, just like a computer program. If there are bugs then the
>programmer is at fault.
>>He specifically MADE to decide what we wanted -
>>him or satan.
>That's such a stupid reason to make human creations.
are consequences - eternal love of God or eternal fires of hell.
>>>>If you can't over come your own evil, what are you to God?
>>>What evil? Me? Prove it.
>>Don't need to. God fully knows you.
>But you don't so quit your prejudice.
>>>Evil had to have an origin and that can only be one, which is the Creator
>>>of
>>>all things.
>>No, God gave us free choice - he or satan.
>Free choice does not create evil.
God. It goes back to free choice. And you are really some bad ass.
>Plus God could have created A&E smarter and more moral plus taught them
>better so they would make the right choice but he didn't.
to follow God vs the material world you prefer. What you prefer over God is
bad, bad, bad for your eternal salvation.
duke
Nov 6, 2018, 6:30:46 AM11/6/18
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On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 17:32:25 -0700, GSI <itchyisth...@god.com> wrote:
>"There is no God. No one directs the universe," he writes in "Brief
>Answers to the Big Questions."
That's right. God created all things in the scientific big bang and then let it
>"There is no God. No one directs the universe," he writes in "Brief
>Answers to the Big Questions."
evolve.
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