Meet DePress

[David C Kifer]

As the race is now down to The Donald and Hillary, look for the press to double down and really show
us why they are now irrelevant as anything but Democrat Party propagandists.
-- Elric, comment on
http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2016/06/tweet-of-day.html


--
Dave
"Tam multi libri, tam breve tempus!"
(Et brevis pecunia.) [Et breve spatium.]

[David C Kifer]

On 6/8/2016 5:41 PM, David C Kifer wrote:
> As the race is now down to The Donald and Hillary, look for the press to double down and really show
> us why they are now irrelevant as anything but Democrat Party propagandists.
> -- Elric, comment on
> http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2016/06/tweet-of-day.html

"The quicker goes the journalist the slower go his thoughts. The result is the newspaper of our
time, which every day can be delivered earlier and earlier, and which every day is less worth
delivering at all."
--G.K. Chesterton: "Eugenics and Other Evils."

[David C Kifer]

On 6/8/2016 5:41 PM, David C Kifer wrote:

> As the race is now down to The Donald and Hillary, look for the press to double down and really show
> us why they are now irrelevant as anything but Democrat Party propagandists.
> -- Elric, comment on
> http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2016/06/tweet-of-day.html

Bannon, however, is a guy that the media disapproves of. Despite having just been roundly rejected,
the MSM doesn't quite get that no one outside of the DNC cares about what they have to say. They
don't like Bannon and they want to make sure they let everyone know. In what is now perhaps the most
tedious media habit, they harass Republicans to denounce what and/or whom they think should be
denounced.
-- Stephen Kruiser, Stuck by Him, Media Bewildered
https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/11/14/trump-sticks-with-people-who-stuck-by-him-media-bewildered/?singlepage=true

[Clearlize]

On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 at 4:11:33 PM UTC-5, David C Kifer wrote:
> On 6/8/2016 5:41 PM, David C Kifer wrote:
> > As the race is now down to The Donald and Hillary, look for the press to double down and really show
> > us why they are now irrelevant as anything but Democrat Party propagandists.

We can comment more confidently on Breitbart, whose political
priorities and journalistic ethics aren’t ours. Before Mr.
Trump’s rise, the site was a hub for 120-decibel screeds
against President Obama plus assaults on “the Republican
establishment” over immigration, trade and “globalism.”
(These columns were a frequent target.) Breitbart became Mr.
Trump’s de facto media arm, like much of the mainstream media
was Hillary Clinton’s.

“I’m a Leninist,” Mr. Bannon told a profiler for the Daily Beast
in 2014. “Lenin wanted to destroy the state, and that’s my goal
too. I want to bring everything crashing down, and destroy all
of today’s establishment.”

He also called Breitbart “the platform for the alt-right” in
July, referring to the online movement that sometimes trafficks
in racism and anti-Semitism. Breitbart continues to prosecute
an especially ugly campaign against the Chobani yogurt company
and founder Hamdi Ulukaya for employing Iraqi and Afghan refugees
who have qualified to live in the U.S.

Then again, a yellow press is not a new phenomenon and the
obligation of the mainstream media is to maintain credibility
so readers don’t turn to other options. That so many reporters
and editors treated Trump voters like Martian invaders hasn’t helped.

-- WSJ, opinion, Nov. 15, 2016
http://www.wsj.com/articles/who-is-steve-bannon-1479254631

-- CFM

[David C Kifer]

On 6/8/2016 5:41 PM, David C Kifer wrote:

> As the race is now down to The Donald and Hillary, look for the press to double down and really show
> us why they are now irrelevant as anything but Democrat Party propagandists.
> -- Elric, comment on
> http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2016/06/tweet-of-day.html

The people will believe what the media tells them THEY believe.
--attributed to George Orwell (1903-1950) English novelist

Always listen out for political pundits and media figures declaring what the American people want,
believe or are thinking. It is a method of telling you what you ought to be thinking and believing
if you want to fit in with the “sensible” segment of society. It is rhetoric that serves as a self
fulfilling prophecy.
--a New Yorker
http://philosophicalconservatism.com/post/153448349291/the-people-will-believe-what-the-media-tells-them

[SteveMR200]

On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 16:26:34 -0500, David C Kifer wrote in message:
<o12dc...@news6.newsguy.com>:

>The people will believe what the media tells them THEY believe.
>--attributed to George Orwell (1903-1950) English novelist

"Reporters are only human. We want to be liked.
I remember Susan Okie at the Post. She wrote a
story that wasn't even about abortion, it was about
new methods to save premature babies. Some of the
other reporters took her aside and warned her this
kind of story wasn't good for the abortion rights
movement. Never mind that it was 100 percent true.
Susan said she felt herded back in line."

"When did all this happen, Leonard? I feel like I'm
just catching on."

"It's been gradual. The sixties were part of it,
of course. Then came Watergate. Everybody hated
Nixon. So did I. Then we threw the bum out. And
who pulled it off? Two journalists. All of a
sudden journalism had a new image, Woodward and
Bernstein, or more precisely, Robert Redford and
Dustin Hoffman.

"Journalists were movers and shakers, shapers of
public opinion. Now we had power to dethrone
people, to change the shape of politics. I deal
with this in one of my lectures. Did you know
that in the single decade between 1968 and 1978
enrollment in journalism schools quadrupled?
Everybody was a Woodward and Bernstein wannabe.

"Journalism was no longer showing the world what it
was. Now it was making the world what we thought
it should be."

--Randy Alcorn (1954- )
_Deadline_ [1994], Chapter 21

--
Steve

[Clearlize]

On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 7:35:46 AM UTC-5, SteveMR200 wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 16:26:34 -0500, David C Kifer wrote in message:
> <o12dc...@news6.newsguy.com>:
>
> >The people will believe what the media tells them THEY believe.
> >--attributed to George Orwell (1903-1950) English novelist
>
> "Reporters are only human. We want to be liked.
> I remember Susan Okie at the Post. She wrote a
> story that wasn't even about abortion, it was about
> new methods to save premature babies. Some of the
> other reporters took her aside and warned her this
> kind of story wasn't good for the abortion rights
> movement. Never mind that it was 100 percent true.
> Susan said she felt herded back in line."

.....

> --Randy Alcorn (1954- )
> _Deadline_ [1994], Chapter 21

"This book is a work of fiction. With the exception of recognized
historical figures, the characters in this novel are fictional.
Any resemblance to actual persons, living or dead, is purely
coincidental."
-- disclaimer, Deadline, by Randy Alcorn, 1994

Alcorn's fictional account referenced an article by David Shaw,
who said Susan Okie heard from "someone in the movement,"
NOT was "warned" by "some of the other Post reporters.":

"When reporter Susan Okie wrote on Page 1 of the Washington Post
last year that advances in the treatment of premature babies could
undermine support for the abortion-rights movement, she quickly
heard from someone in the movement.
'Her message was clear,' Okie recalled recently. 'I felt that
they [the movement] were.....(saying) 'You're hurting the cause...
.....that I was.....being herded back into line.'
Okie says she was 'shocked' by the 'disquieting' assumption
implicit in the [one] complaint--that reporters, especially women
reporters, are expected to write only stories that support
abortion rights."

-- David Shaw, L A Times
http://www.latimes.com/food/la-me-shaw01jul01-story.html

Shaw, himself an anti-abortion activist, listed no source.
So we have a less than accurate fictional account based on
unsupported info. If you find a source for it, let me know...:)

-- CFM

[David C Kifer]

On 11/22/2016 4:26 PM, David C Kifer wrote:
>
> Always listen out for political pundits and media figures declaring what the American people want,
> believe or are thinking. It is a method of telling you what you ought to be thinking and believing
> if you want to fit in with the “sensible” segment of society. It is rhetoric that serves as a self
> fulfilling prophecy.
> --a New Yorker
> http://philosophicalconservatism.com/post/153448349291/the-people-will-believe-what-the-media-tells-them

There is no reason in this rapidly changing digitalized world to follow antediluvian customs of
rewarding the New York Times or the Washington Post, or NPR, or PBS with blue-chip perks at press
conferences or first claims on interviews. They have not proved disinterested or competent in their
reporting and should have to re-earn the esteem that they customarily take for granted. WikiLeaks
reminds us that CNN, the Washington Post, and Politico offer no more disinterested opinion
journalism than do Rush Limbaugh or the Drudge Report — though the legacy media do spend far more to
reach far fewer.
-- Victor Davis Hanson, The Twin Pillars of Progressive Prejudice
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/442777/biased-media-left-wing-colleges-ripe-reform-trump

The public has inherited the rhetoric of distrust and disdain from the news – but with a
difference. It’s now aimed at every center of authority, very much including the news business
itself. From the moment it acquired a voice, the public displayed a radical suspicion of
“mainstream media.” Early bloggers engineered Dan Rather’s resignation from “60 Minutes” and CBS
News, for example. Trust in news at the start of the 2016 elections stood at 19 percent, a record
low. The two political parties, though in shambles, had better numbers.
The anti-Trump fervor of the news media merely replicated, to an extreme degree, the cynicism and
moral superiority that had alienated the public in the first place. An interesting question is
whether it achieved the opposite of what was intended: whether it helped rather than hindered
Trump’s election.
-- Martin Gurri, The news media: Surveying the wreckage
https://thefifthwave.wordpress.com/2016/12/06/the-news-media-surveying-the-wreckage/

[David C Kifer]

On 12/7/2016 6:57 PM, David C Kifer wrote:
>
> The public has inherited the rhetoric of distrust and disdain from the news – but with a
> difference. It’s now aimed at every center of authority, very much including the news business
> itself. From the moment it acquired a voice, the public displayed a radical suspicion of
> “mainstream media.” Early bloggers engineered Dan Rather’s resignation from “60 Minutes” and CBS
> News, for example. Trust in news at the start of the 2016 elections stood at 19 percent, a record
> low. The two political parties, though in shambles, had better numbers.
> The anti-Trump fervor of the news media merely replicated, to an extreme degree, the cynicism and
> moral superiority that had alienated the public in the first place. An interesting question is
> whether it achieved the opposite of what was intended: whether it helped rather than hindered
> Trump’s election.
> -- Martin Gurri, The news media: Surveying the wreckage
> https://thefifthwave.wordpress.com/2016/12/06/the-news-media-surveying-the-wreckage/

How is the world ruled, and how do wars start? Diplomats tell lies to journalists, and believe these
lies when they see them in print.
-- Karl Kraus, (April 28, 1874 – June 12, 1936), Half-Truths and One-And-A-Half Truths: Selected
Aphorisms (1990) as translated by Harry Zohn

[pyotr filipivich]

David C Kifer <dkifer...@newsgroup.com> on Thu, 8 Dec 2016
13:13:03 -0500 typed in alt.quotations the following:

"All governments lie. They get into trouble when they start
smoking the hashish they've been peddling." I.F. Stone, sometime in
the 60s (when I read it in one of the newsletters which came to the
house.)
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

[David C Kifer]

You may be suffering from Can'tRememberShit [I recognize the symptoms from personal experience]. I
decided to try Google to find the source, and the first hit was you quoting this in
soc.history.what-if. The second hit was also you in a different thread in the same group. There were
no other hits with even a major part of the quote. However, Wikiquote did give me this:


All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish
they give out.
--I. F. Stone, _In a Time of Torment, 1961-1967_ (1967), p. 317

[SteveMR200]

On Thu, 8 Dec 2016 13:13:03 -0500, David C Kifer wrote in message:
<o2c81...@news6.newsguy.com>:

>How...do wars start?
>-- Karl Kraus, (April 28, 1874 ? June 12, 1936), Half-Truths

> and One-And-A-Half Truths: Selected Aphorisms (1990)

History teaches that wars begin when governments
believe the price of aggression is cheap.
--Ronald Reagan (1911-2004)
(In James Charlton's _The Military Quotation Book_ [2002],
"Military History")

--
Steve

[pyotr filipivich]

David C Kifer <dkifer...@newsgroup.com> on Fri, 9 Dec 2016
16:57:14 -0500 typed in alt.quotations the following:

Thanks for that cite. I recall what I think I read, but trying to
find it, after all these years, after all these moves, after all the
downsizing that occurred - I'll just have to misremember it.

[David C Kifer]

You may well have read it that way. I've seen more than one quotation restated in slightly different
words by the original author as he writes on the same subject from a slightly different angle. It's
also quite possible that the archives of that particular newsletter from ancient history have not
yet been added to the memory of the internet.
;-)>

ObQ:
A retentive memory is a good thing, but the ability to forget is the true token of greatness.
--Elbert Hubbard, 1856–1915, Epigrams (1923)

[David C Kifer]

On 11/22/2016 4:26 PM, David C Kifer wrote:
>
>
> The people will believe what the media tells them THEY believe.
> --attributed to George Orwell (1903-1950) English novelist
>
> Always listen out for political pundits and media figures declaring what the American people want,
> believe or are thinking. It is a method of telling you what you ought to be thinking and believing
> if you want to fit in with the “sensible” segment of society. It is rhetoric that serves as a self
> fulfilling prophecy.
> --a New Yorker
> http://philosophicalconservatism.com/post/153448349291/the-people-will-believe-what-the-media-tells-them

"THE worst insincerity is not in the gutter Press, but in the respectable Press; the worst deceiving
of the people is not done by demagogues but by statesmen. The freelance is by no means the worst of
our freebooters. We all know a certain type of adventurer now-a-days who runs sporting or popular
papers, in which it is often worth his while to tell truths that no one else dares to tell; we feel
moved to palliate his irresponsibility on account of his independence. We can never precisely trust
him- but we can frequently believe him."
--G.K. Chesterton: "Illustrated London News", Feb. 24, 1912.

[David C Kifer]

On 12/17/2016 4:53 PM, David C Kifer wrote:
>
>
> "THE worst insincerity is not in the gutter Press, but in the respectable Press; the worst deceiving
> of the people is not done by demagogues but by statesmen. The freelance is by no means the worst of
> our freebooters. We all know a certain type of adventurer now-a-days who runs sporting or popular
> papers, in which it is often worth his while to tell truths that no one else dares to tell; we feel
> moved to palliate his irresponsibility on account of his independence. We can never precisely trust
> him- but we can frequently believe him."
> --G.K. Chesterton: "Illustrated London News", Feb. 24, 1912.

When journalists are openly biased in their reports, it's commentary. When they pretend to be
unbiased to hide an agenda, it's propaganda.
--J.D.Rucker, JD Rucker Verified account ‏@JDRucker
https://twitter.com/JDRucker/status/806787462135627776

[SteveMR200]

On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 15:38:50 -0500, David C Kifer wrote in message:
<o3ep...@news7.newsguy.com>:

>When journalists are openly biased in their reports,
>it's commentary. When they pretend to be unbiased
>to hide an agenda, it's propaganda.
>--J.D.Rucker

> https://twitter.com/JDRucker/status/806787462135627776

"Something on my wall I want to show you."

They reentered Leonard's office, where he immediately
became animated again and led the way to the left of
his window, behind his desk. He pointed to some
papers thumbtacked to a cork bulletin board.

"Here's Robert Bazell of NBC. He says 'Objectivity
is a fallacy. There are different opinions, but you
don't have to give them equal weight.' Linda Ellerbe
says, 'Any reporter who tells you he's objective is
lying to you.'

Leonard pointed at a statement highlighted in yellow.
"Tom Oliphant of the Washington Post says, 'There's
no such thing as objectivity, so there's no use
wasting time striving for it.'

"On the one hand, I applaud their honesty. At least
they're admitting they aren't objective. But I resent
that they've given up on objectivity, that they feel no
compulsion to even try. Just look at the narrative style
of a lot of lead articles, you know, that Gay Talese or
Tom Wolfe fiction-feel. It's like storytelling.

"When your goal isn't just to relate the facts but
tell a good story, it's a quick slide from fact to
fiction. Reporters know a story has to be engaging
and readable but it doesn't have to be entirely
factual. And once you depart from the facts, the
writer's moral prism inevitably refracts the story."

--Randy Alcorn (1954- )
_Deadline_ [1994], Chapter 21

--
Steve

[David C Kifer]

On 12/17/2016 4:53 PM, David C Kifer wrote:
>
>
> "THE worst insincerity is not in the gutter Press, but in the respectable Press; the worst deceiving
> of the people is not done by demagogues but by statesmen. The freelance is by no means the worst of
> our freebooters. We all know a certain type of adventurer now-a-days who runs sporting or popular
> papers, in which it is often worth his while to tell truths that no one else dares to tell; we feel
> moved to palliate his irresponsibility on account of his independence. We can never precisely trust
> him- but we can frequently believe him."
> --G.K. Chesterton: "Illustrated London News", Feb. 24, 1912.

Jake Tapper ?@jaketapper
It baffles me how anyone on the left combatting "fake news" can turn a blind eye to the click
baiting within its own ranks. HEAL THYSELF
https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/812134057731649536

"There is no such thing, at this date of the world's history, in America, as an independent press.
You know it and I know it.
"There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know
beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out
of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and
any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking
for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before
twenty_four hours my occupation would be gone.
"The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify,
to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it
and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press?
"We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull
the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other
men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
-- John Swinton (1829-1901), Managing Editor of the New York Times during the Civil War, _Labor's
Untold Story_, by Richard O. Boyer and Herbert M. Morais, published by United Electrical, Radio &
Machine Workers of America, NY, 1955/1979.
http://www.rense.com/general20/yes.htm

[David C Kifer]

On 11/22/2016 4:26 PM, David C Kifer wrote:
>
>
> The people will believe what the media tells them THEY believe.
> --attributed to George Orwell (1903-1950) English novelist

The journalists have constructed for themselves a little wooden chapel, which they also call the
Temple of Fame, in which they put up and take down portraits all day long and make such a hammering
you can't hear yourself speak.
--Georg Christoph Lichtenberg (July 1 1742 – February 24 1799), _Aphorisms (1765-1799)_, Notebook D
(1773-1775), D 20


[Nothing has changed in 240+ years.]

[Joe Fineman]

David C Kifer <dkifer...@newsgroup.com> writes:

> The people will believe what the media tells them THEY believe.
> --attributed to George Orwell (1903-1950) English novelist

Attributed by whom? Orwell would not have used "media" as a singular
uncountable noun. In his day it would have counted as illiterate.
--
--- Joe Fineman jo...@verizon.net

||: I'm too old to give a fuck. :||

[David C Kifer]

On 3/25/2017 5:29 PM, Joe Fineman wrote:
> David C Kifer <dkifer...@newsgroup.com> writes:
>
>> The people will believe what the media tells them THEY believe.
>> --attributed to George Orwell (1903-1950) English novelist
>
> Attributed by whom? Orwell would not have used "media" as a singular
> uncountable noun. In his day it would have counted as illiterate.

You are without doubt correct. It was attributed by the internet, one of those "meme" pictures. I
couldn't find a better source, so I put "attributed to" in front of the source the "meme" used. I
probably should have used "--unknown".

[pyotr filipivich]

David C Kifer <dkifer...@newsgroup.com> on Mon, 27 Mar 2017
17:25:21 -0400 typed in alt.quotations the following:

>On 3/25/2017 5:29 PM, Joe Fineman wrote:
>> David C Kifer <dkifer...@newsgroup.com> writes:
>>
>>> The people will believe what the media tells them THEY believe.
>>> --attributed to George Orwell (1903-1950) English novelist
>>
>> Attributed by whom? Orwell would not have used "media" as a singular
>> uncountable noun. In his day it would have counted as illiterate.
>
>You are without doubt correct. It was attributed by the internet, one of those "meme" pictures. I
>couldn't find a better source, so I put "attributed to" in front of the source the "meme" used. I
>probably should have used "--unknown".

"Poor Richard says that one must be chary of that which one reads
on the Internet." Been Franklin.

[The Horny Goat]

On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 16:21:28 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:

>>You are without doubt correct. It was attributed by the internet, one of those "meme" pictures. I
>>couldn't find a better source, so I put "attributed to" in front of the source the "meme" used. I
>>probably should have used "--unknown".
>
> "Poor Richard says that one must be chary of that which one reads
>on the Internet." Been Franklin.
>--

My personal favorite is

"90% of the statistics quoted on the Internet are fake" ~ Abraham
Lincoln

[pyotr filipivich]

The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca> on Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:55:18 -0700

typed in alt.quotations the following:

Now who was it that said that something like 89% of statistics
used in an argument are made up on the spot?

tschus
pyotr

--
Here are some objective realities. Aristotle was not Belgian!
The central message of Buddhism is not every man for himself!
And the London Underground is not a political movement!

[Lucas Ramieux]

On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 09:48:52 -0700, pyotr filipivich

<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:

>The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca> on Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:55:18 -0700
>typed in alt.quotations the following:
>>On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 16:21:28 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>><ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>You are without doubt correct. It was attributed by the internet, one of those "meme" pictures. I
>>>>couldn't find a better source, so I put "attributed to" in front of the source the "meme" used. I
>>>>probably should have used "--unknown".
>>>
>>> "Poor Richard says that one must be chary of that which one reads
>>>on the Internet." Been Franklin.
>>>--
>>My personal favorite is
>>
>>"90% of the statistics quoted on the Internet are fake" ~ Abraham
>>Lincoln
>
> Now who was it that said that something like 89% of statistics
>used in an argument are made up on the spot?
>
>tschus
>pyotr

+ 42.7 percent of all statistics are made up on the spot.

also in the same performance ...

+ Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
+ If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.
+ Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it.
+ For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism.
+ No one is listening until you make a mistake.
+ Success always occurs in private, and failure in full view.
+ A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory.
+ Bills travel through the mail at twice the speed of checks.
+ Half the people you know are below average.
+ 99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name.

==> Steve Wright, performance. 1983 (?)


==================
Lucas Ramieux
"Memento mori; Live purposefully"

[pyotr filipivich]

Lucas Ramieux <barbarossa{remove}@ausx.net> on Wed, 29 Mar 2017
08:37:16 +1100 typed in alt.quotations the following:

>On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 09:48:52 -0700, pyotr filipivich
><ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca> on Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:55:18 -0700
>>typed in alt.quotations the following:
>>>On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 16:21:28 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>>><ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>You are without doubt correct. It was attributed by the internet, one of those "meme" pictures. I
>>>>>couldn't find a better source, so I put "attributed to" in front of the source the "meme" used. I
>>>>>probably should have used "--unknown".
>>>>
>>>> "Poor Richard says that one must be chary of that which one reads
>>>>on the Internet." Been Franklin.
>>>>--
>>>My personal favorite is
>>>
>>>"90% of the statistics quoted on the Internet are fake" ~ Abraham
>>>Lincoln
>>
>> Now who was it that said that something like 89% of statistics
>>used in an argument are made up on the spot?
>>
>>tschus
>>pyotr
>
>
>+ 42.7 percent of all statistics are made up on the spot.
>
>also in the same performance ...
>
>+ Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
>+ If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.

If at first you don't succeed - try second third or shortstop.

[David C Kifer]

BRAVO!

:-)>

ObQ:
If addiction is judged by how long a dumb animal will sit pressing a lever to get a "fix" of
something, to its own detriment, then I would conclude that netnews is far more addictive than cocaine.
--Rob Stampfli

[David C Kifer]

On 6/8/2016 5:41 PM, David C Kifer wrote:
> As the race is now down to The Donald and Hillary, look for the press to double down and really show
> us why they are now irrelevant as anything but Democrat Party propagandists.
> -- Elric, comment on
> http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2016/06/tweet-of-day.html

“I call ‘journalism’ everything that will be less interesting tomorrow than today.”
-- André Gide, _Journals_ 1921.