Mike has died

[Incredibly lucky JTEM]

Mike has died. Mike has risen. Mike will
rise again.






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http://jtem.tumblr.com/post/80370341096

[Steven Douglas]

On Saturday, February 9, 2019 at 4:27:17 PM UTC-8, Incredibly lucky JTEM wrote:
> Mike has died. Mike has risen. Mike will
> rise again.

Is it just a coincidence that Mike and Doc have both
disappeared at the same time?

Was Arch Angel Michael correct in his conclusion that
Mike and Doc were actually the same person, writing the
two characters as real people but it was all actually
coming from one person?

Of course JTEM is the only other person who might possibly
believe that, because I know for a fact that Mike and Doc
are two separate individuals.

[docufo]

No, no, junior. You see, according to Donald's inference during the SOTU
address, the Left are a sick horde of sneaky socialists plotting to take
over America's government and rule with an iron hand!

LOL! It was only appropriate that Pelosi made a face of incredulity
after hearing Donald demonize tens of millions of Americans that don't
sit in his authoritarian kooky camp, like you and JTEM merrily do.

Look, junior. You're making a pile of money in your business and living
like a fat pig, like so many in Obama's (stolen) boom success story.

And you're loving Donald for being the partisan "bad ass" you and so
many conservatives are too timid to be. His caustic conspiracy-promoting
tweets against the Left thrill you.

But, with the immense satisfaction that is claimed by you and his
followers with his accomplishments, comes the very uncomfortable reality
that a President needn't have abusive, petty, childish behavior, back
stab his staffers, nor stir the masses into more derision along racial,
ethnic and sexual lines - no, no, it can all be accomplished with
respect and sensitivity, seeking common ground, and compromising with
the opposition.

Your Donald isn't compelling evidence of your love for this republic,
but for your self-love and your money. Just like Donald, in fact.

May the two of you narcissistic dividers get grilled in Hell, if it
exists. If not, then you, Donald, and his cultists appear to be making
good substitute for it here.

^Y^
v

[Steven Douglas]

On Monday, February 11, 2019 at 6:10:38 PM UTC-8, docufo wrote:
> On 2/10/2019 9:08 AM, Steven Douglas wrote:
> > On Saturday, February 9, 2019 at 4:27:17 PM UTC-8, Incredibly lucky JTEM wrote:
> >> Mike has died. Mike has risen. Mike will
> >> rise again.
> >
> > Is it just a coincidence that Mike and Doc have both
> > disappeared at the same time?
> >
> > Was Arch Angel Michael correct in his conclusion that
> > Mike and Doc were actually the same person, writing the
> > two characters as real people but it was all actually
> > coming from one person?
> >
> > Of course JTEM is the only other person who might possibly
> > believe that, because I know for a fact that Mike and Doc
> > are two separate individuals.
>
> No, no, junior. You see, according to Donald's inference during the SOTU
> address, the Left are a sick horde of sneaky socialists plotting to take
> over America's government and rule with an iron hand!

What a coincidence, I've posted a few articles on that
theme right here on this group!
>
> LOL!

Why is that funny?

>
> It was only appropriate that Pelosi made a face of incredulity
> after hearing Donald demonize tens of millions of Americans that don't
> sit in his authoritarian kooky camp, like you and JTEM merrily do.

Do you think JTEM and I are part of the richest elite
that you've said are the only people Trump cares about?

>
> Look, junior. You're making a pile of money in your business and living
> like a fat pig, like so many in Obama's (stolen) boom success story.

It didn't happen during Obama's failed presidency. It
only happened after Trump removed all the impediments
Obama had saddled onto the economy, which kept the
economy sputtering along with the worst recovery after
a recession in history.

>
> And you're loving Donald for being the partisan "bad ass" you and so
> many conservatives are too timid to be. His caustic conspiracy-promoting
> tweets against the Left thrill you.

So what? Some of Obama's divisive comments thrilled you.
Again, so what?

>
> But, with the immense satisfaction that is claimed by you and his
> followers with his accomplishments, comes the very uncomfortable reality
> that a President needn't have abusive, petty, childish behavior, back

I truly hope, for your sake, that you can rise about your
bitter anger over the next couple of years. You must be
miserable.

[docufo]

Oh yes, it was a strong, healthy sustained (quarterly) boom since 2014,
and many argue before that date. According to the usual acceptable
standards by which to measure economic growth, overall, the quarterly
sustained upward momentum of economic activity was definitely being
recorded by government agencies.

It was in nearly every sense, an economic boom sustained quarterly for
three years before Trump arrived. Anecdotally, locally, it was easy to
see the national uptick with suddenly more building of homes and
apartments, shopping centers, etc. that had been in the doldrums since
2009.

You and your rightist liars keep foolishly attempting to erase the
economic stats, ignore the classical standard of economic measurement of
a national boom and stupidly revise history, while even more stupidly
presuming the opposition has as little memory as Donald's supporters.

It's a real idiotic trip you and they are on, junior. One of the surest
indicators, layman-wise, of a booming economy was the massive sudden
increase in home rental lease costs. It hit me as it hit every American
hard and by surprise just three years ago - when, in fact, it took place
in the midst of an economic boom. It was the boom that spurred property
owners to shove it to all those working Americans with more disposable
income. One can safely bet that property owners won't be jacking up
rental rates drastically if the economy was in recession! LOL! You
should know that basic layman's experience. No fancy economics and stats
to consider, no partisan spinning neeed - just look around and see the
uptick and experience the massive greedy slam up our asses for rent!!

Yes, junior, the economy was booming under Obama, at least 3 years
before it was solely claimed to be Trump's boom. You and Donald like to
steal the economic accomplishments of Obama, ignore GW Bush's boom era
(and why not? GW's dad was slammed by Donald when he was sick and old,
his wife recently dead) and GW and Laura had little to do with him or
his family. If you're not in Donald's tight camp, it's "hunting season"
for any opposition, even the slightest.

A bullying, immature and sick Presidency with a hateful, childish and
mentally ill support base. America's Left will prevail, though. I have
full confidence in right conquering wrong, good overcoming evil,
eventually, on a case-by-case victory basis. Overall, wrongfulness and
evil have many victories, but most often cannot stand the test of time
of human tolerance, rationality and humanitarianism. Fortunately, those
enduring good traits haven't totally left us. We're at a breaking point
now, however.

^Y^
v

[Steven Douglas]

No, that's the problem, it WASN'T sustained. It would
start, and then fall back again. It's all in the numbers.
Obama never achieved a single year of 3% GDP growth, the
first president in modern times to fail to do that.

>
> According to the usual acceptable
> standards by which to measure economic growth, overall, the quarterly
> sustained upward momentum of economic activity was definitely being
> recorded by government agencies.

Why haven't you posted those supposedly robust numbers?

[docufo]

You and Donald put your economic cart before the horse. The horse was
fueling up on Obama's steady boom long before Donald arrived. And
whether it was quarterly consistent or not, it comes out in the end it
was greatly better by 2017 than it was in 2009, and significantly better
by 2014. NPR took a hard look at comparisons between the first 18 months
of Trump, and the months before he took office. It shows that reworking,
reinterpreting stats on his economic progress is absolutely necessary to
claim any real marked improvement by Donald's efforts alone. This long
quoted excerpt explains it: (quote)

Job growth has been remarkably consistent since the end of the recession
in 2010. The 3.6 million jobs added in the 19 months since Trump took
office are roughly comparable to the 3.9 million added in the previous
19 months under Obama. Likewise, unemployment has steadily declined. And
wages have inched up at a slow but steady pace.
On a graph of any of these metrics, the period before Trump took office
is virtually indistinguishable from the period since.
"At best, you would say it's been a continuation of a steady trend,"
economist Austan Goolsbee told MSNBC.
Goolsbee, who had Hassett's job early in the Obama administration,
challenged the idea that things suddenly improved following Trump's
election.
"I don't see how you come into the game with 10 minutes left in the
fourth quarter, your team is already ahead, and you're like, 'I won this
game.' "
But Hassett presented his own charts to back up the idea of a Trump
turning point.

Job growth in goods-producing industries has accelerated under President
Trump, even as growth in the much larger services sector has slowed.
White House Council of Economic Advisers
One area he focused on is the growth in what the Labor Department calls
"goods-producing" jobs such as manufacturing, construction and oil
drilling. (Hassett called these "blue collar jobs," although the term
"blue collar" can also refer to some service-sector jobs such as
custodial or warehouse work.)
Goods-producing employment has accelerated since Trump took office, even
as job gains in the much larger service sector have slowed. As Mark Muro
and Jacob Whiton of the Brookings Institution have noted, that could be
helpful to Republicans in November, since goods-producing jobs tend to
be concentrated in redder, more rural parts of the country.
"As the elections approach, smaller, redder places are doing relatively
better than they were in 2016," Muro and Whiton wrote.
It's important to remember, though, that goods-producing jobs make up a
relatively small slice of the overall U.S. economy, accounting for less
than 14 percent of the total workforce. By focusing on those jobs, the
Trump administration is discounting the industries that employ 86
percent of American workers.
Hassett also highlighted a surge in business investment in property,
plants and equipment beginning around the time that Trump was elected.

The White House says business investment surged after President Trump's
election.
White House Council of Economic Advisers
"What's happened is that the capital spending boom that we promised
would happen if we passed the tax cuts is underway," Hassett said.
In theory, that additional investment should make workers more
productive, boosting both output and wages in the future. But not
everyone is convinced that the boom is widespread or that Trump and the
tax cuts are responsible.
The president of the federal reserve bank of Atlanta says much of the
increased investment is in the energy sector, driven by higher oil prices.
"Excluding energy and oil investment, investment growth is still below 5
percent on a year-over-year basis — a bit lower than the typical
expansion average," Raphael Bostic told the Savannah, Ga, Rotary Club in
June.

NFIB members were much more optimistic about the economy after the 2016
election.
White House Council of Economic Advisers
One area where there is a clear, election-related turning point is
small-business sentiment. Members of the NFIB, a Republican-leaning
small-business group, were significantly more optimistic after Trump's
upset victory in 2016, perhaps anticipating his policies of tax cuts and
reduced regulation.
"People started to ratchet up their expectations for what would happen
to the economy," Hassett said. "Everybody, except for Mrs. Clinton's
supporters, was starting to do that right after the election."
Significantly, Hassett did not highlight GDP growth, perhaps because the
measure has bounced up and down and would not show a clear difference
between Trump and Obama. Although Trump often boasts about the strong
GDP showing between April and June — when growth topped 4 percent —
there were quarters during Obama's tenure when growth was even stronger.
Forecasters disagree about whether Trump can deliver sustained,
multiyear growth in the 3 percent range, as promised.
So while the White House can certainly point to some yardsticks that
indicate a meaningful turnaround on Trump's watch — including small
business sentiment, business investment and goods-producing job growth —
broader measures of the overall job market and wages show the economy
continues to follow the steady, upward glide path that began under Obama.
https://www.npr.org/2018/09/12/646708799/fact-check-who-gets-credit-for-the-booming-u-s-economy

Now, aside from your devil's playground of promotion of Donald -
economic stats spinning - we don't have to have ALL the MANY behavioral
downsides that Donald exhibits regularly and to a prominent degree, in
order to have a booming economy, a more secure border, a revival of
patriotism, etc., or any other desirable or positive improvement. Do you
know that? It's just a sad fact. None of this animosity, chaos, violence
or fearfulness needed to happen if Donald's mindset and general behavior
hadn't centered on satisfying his ego (at any cost).

The wrong personality to get two parties and houses to work together,
and foolish reckless policies not even the GOP wants.

@Y@
V

[Steven Douglas]

Yes, I said it at the time that the economy kept seeming
to be getting better, only to have it stall out time after
time. I saw it happen. I experienced it. You are immune
from the day to day or month to month or quarter to quarter
variations in the economy, but some of us are not. So you
actually experienced none of this, yet here are you are
trying to tell me all about it.

>
> NPR took a hard look at comparisons between the first 18 months
> of Trump, and the months before he took office. It shows that reworking,
> reinterpreting stats on his economic progress is absolutely necessary to
> claim any real marked improvement by Donald's efforts alone. This long
> quoted excerpt explains it: (quote)
>
> Job growth has been remarkably consistent since the end of the recession
> in 2010. The 3.6 million jobs added in the 19 months since Trump took
> office are roughly comparable to the 3.9 million added in the previous
> 19 months under Obama. Likewise, unemployment has steadily declined. And
> wages have inched up at a slow but steady pace.
> On a graph of any of these metrics, the period before Trump took office
> is virtually indistinguishable from the period since.
> "At best, you would say it's been a continuation of a steady trend,"
> economist Austan Goolsbee told MSNBC.
> Goolsbee, who had Hassett's job early in the Obama administration,
> challenged the idea that things suddenly improved following Trump's
> election.
> "I don't see how you come into the game with 10 minutes left in the
> fourth quarter, your team is already ahead, and you're like, 'I won this
> game.' "

Austin Goolsbee is a great spin-doctor. Very masterful,
almost as good as you. But then there is this:

>
> But Hassett presented his own charts to back up the idea of a Trump
> turning point.
>
> Job growth in goods-producing industries has accelerated under President
> Trump, even as growth in the much larger services sector has slowed.
> White House Council of Economic Advisers
> One area he focused on is the growth in what the Labor Department calls
> "goods-producing" jobs such as manufacturing, construction and oil
> drilling. (Hassett called these "blue collar jobs," although the term
> "blue collar" can also refer to some service-sector jobs such as
> custodial or warehouse work.)
> Goods-producing employment has accelerated since Trump took office, even
> as job gains in the much larger service sector have slowed.

Sometimes it's about perceptions, as some sectors of the
economy were accelerating while others were still growing,
but with slower growth -- but still growth.

>
> As Mark Muro
> and Jacob Whiton of the Brookings Institution have noted, that could be
> helpful to Republicans in November, since goods-producing jobs tend to
> be concentrated in redder, more rural parts of the country.
> "As the elections approach, smaller, redder places are doing relatively
> better than they were in 2016," Muro and Whiton wrote.
> It's important to remember, though, that goods-producing jobs make up a
> relatively small slice of the overall U.S. economy, accounting for less
> than 14 percent of the total workforce. By focusing on those jobs, the
> Trump administration is discounting the industries that employ 86
> percent of American workers.
> Hassett also highlighted a surge in business investment in property,
> plants and equipment beginning around the time that Trump was elected.
>
> The White House says business investment surged after President Trump's
> election.

That will give the perception that things are improving.

>
> White House Council of Economic Advisers
> "What's happened is that the capital spending boom that we promised
> would happen if we passed the tax cuts is underway," Hassett said.
> In theory, that additional investment should make workers more
> productive, boosting both output and wages in the future. But not
> everyone is convinced that the boom is widespread or that Trump and the
> tax cuts are responsible.
> The president of the federal reserve bank of Atlanta says much of the
> increased investment is in the energy sector, driven by higher oil prices.
> "Excluding energy and oil investment, investment growth is still below 5
> percent on a year-over-year basis — a bit lower than the typical
> expansion average," Raphael Bostic told the Savannah, Ga, Rotary Club in
> June.
>
> NFIB members were much more optimistic about the economy after the 2016
> election.

There's a perception -- optimism, which was not as strong
while Obama's roller-coaster economy kept stalling out
every time it seemed it was about to take off.

>
> White House Council of Economic Advisers
> One area where there is a clear, election-related turning point is
> small-business sentiment. Members of the NFIB, a Republican-leaning
> small-business group, were significantly more optimistic after Trump's
> upset victory in 2016, perhaps anticipating his policies of tax cuts and
> reduced regulation.

Yes, optimism is a wonderful thing, especially when that
optimism kept getting rained on during all those years of
a struggling recovery under Obama.

>
> "People started to ratchet up their expectations for what would happen
> to the economy," Hassett said. "Everybody, except for Mrs. Clinton's
> supporters, was starting to do that right after the election."
> Significantly, Hassett did not highlight GDP growth, perhaps because the
> measure has bounced up and down

Yes, that's what I was telling you WHILE it was happening
under Obama's struggle to get the economy going strong (which
never really happened while he was president).

>
> and would not show a clear difference
> between Trump and Obama. Although Trump often boasts about the strong
> GDP showing between April and June — when growth topped 4 percent —
> there were quarters during Obama's tenure when growth was even stronger.
> Forecasters disagree about whether Trump can deliver sustained,
> multiyear growth in the 3 percent range, as promised.

I guess we'll find out, won't we?

>
> So while the White House can certainly point to some yardsticks that
> indicate a meaningful turnaround on Trump's watch — including small
> business sentiment, business investment and goods-producing job growth —

Wow, I'll take that!

>
> broader measures of the overall job market and wages show the economy
> continues to follow the steady, upward glide path that began under Obama.
> https://www.npr.org/2018/09/12/646708799/fact-check-who-gets-credit-for-the-booming-u-s-economy

I wouldn't call it a "steady" upward glide path under
Obama. Yes, it was up (very gradually) over the eight years,
but it was not a smooth ride upwards. It was quite a bumpy
ride. But it seems to have smoothed out quite nicely during
the past couple of years!