A founder of ‘Occupy Wall Street’ talks about movement’s origin & what comes next

[Möebius Pretzel]

A founder of ‘Occupy Wall Street’ talks about movement’s origin & what
comes next

People criticize you for your numerous goals and messages. What is the
main message in this movement?

What this protest is about is an opposition against the fundamental
inequality in society — social, economic, ecological — and we want to
change the ways that our society is structured and run so that way, the
vast majority of people — the 99% — have their interests accounted for,
their voices heard, their needs represented.

And that’s just simply not the way we feel our society works now.

It’s a society run for and by the 1%.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/24/a-founder-of-occupy-wall-street-talks-about-movements-origin-and-what-comes-next/

[Captain Compassion]

"The universe is eight billion years old, the last two billion of
which have produced intelligent life. During this time not one hour of
absolute equity has prevailed." -- Jack Vance "The Houses of Iszm"


--
"We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our
homes on 72 degrees at all times ... and then just expect that other
countries are going to say OK." -- Barack Obama

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to
escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. -- Marcus Aurelius

"...the whole world, including the United States, including all that
we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark
Age, made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights
of perverted science." -- Sir Winston Churchill

Joseph R. Darancette
dar...@NOSPAMcharter.net

[BeamMeUpScotty]

On 10/24/2011 10:09 PM, Captain Compassion wrote:
> "The universe is eight billion years old, the last two billion of
> which have produced intelligent life.

Does this person have inside Knowledge of the universe and that no
intelligence, was born before ours anywhere in the universe?


The big question is, why has there been NO NEW intelligent life that has
different DNA from the humans already on earth.


Shouldn't NEW forms of life be created everyday on earth, we have all
the elements on earth so new life with different DNA should be all
around us? Yet we don't see it.

[Jack]

Möebius Pretzel wrote:
> A founder of ‘Occupy Wall Street’ talks about movement’s origin & what
> comes next
>
> People criticize you for your numerous goals and messages. What is the
> main message in this movement?
>
> What this protest is about is an opposition against the fundamental
> inequality in society

So... it's a protest against reality?

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[Bret Cahill]

> http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/24/a-founder-of-occupy-wall-street...

No need to freeze to death in tents in NY.

The framers provided for a much more dignified civilized way to
restore democratic freedom and equality.

Just pop The Question:

"Does free speech precede each and every free trade?"

If you don't get an answer -- you won't -- then you can sue the SOBs
in federal court.

They cannot dodge The Question there.

The R. Fed. Civ. Proc. alone are enough to get much more than what
OWSers themselves think they can get.

Not to mention other help, i.e., J. Ginzberg will grant a stay.


Bret Cahill

[BeamMeUpScotty]

On 10/24/2011 10:50 PM, Jack wrote:
> Möebius Pretzel wrote:
>> A founder of ‘Occupy Wall Street’ talks about movement’s origin & what
>> comes next
>>
>> People criticize you for your numerous goals and messages. What is the
>> main message in this movement?
>>
>> What this protest is about is an opposition against the fundamental
>> inequality in society
>
> So... it's a protest against reality?
>

They want Socialist utopia and they always blame someone for standing
between themselves and their utopia and they always end up killing the
people they blame for standing between themselves and their Socialist
utopia.

Lately they have been killing babies in the uterus because the babies
stood between themselves and Socialist utopia and now they have decided
that capitalists are the ones standing between socialists and utopia.

Mao did it, Stalin did it, Pol Pot did it..... all the Socialists do it.
The 1900 - 1960's radical Socialists(Progressives or Fabian Socialists)
chose to kill babies that stood between themselves and Socialist utopia.

Today the American Socialists want to expand their enemies list from
babies in the uterus to Bankers and capitalists and they want to kill
them too. Socialists love to place blame and kill people.

[Jack]

BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
> On 10/24/2011 10:50 PM, Jack wrote:
>> Möebius Pretzel wrote:
>>> A founder of ‘Occupy Wall Street’ talks about movement’s origin & what
>>> comes next
>>>
>>> People criticize you for your numerous goals and messages. What is the
>>> main message in this movement?
>>>
>>> What this protest is about is an opposition against the fundamental
>>> inequality in society
>> So... it's a protest against reality?
>>
>
>
>
> They want Socialist utopia and they always blame someone for standing
> between themselves and their utopia and they always end up killing the
> people they blame for standing between themselves and their Socialist
> utopia.
>
> Lately they have been killing babies in the uterus because the babies
> stood between themselves and Socialist utopia

KØØK Alert

[Ray Fischer]

BeamMeUpScotty <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>On 10/24/2011 10:50 PM, Jack wrote:
>> Möebius Pretzel wrote:
>>> A founder of ‘Occupy Wall Street’ talks about movement’s origin & what
>>> comes next
>>>
>>> People criticize you for your numerous goals and messages. What is the
>>> main message in this movement?
>>>
>>> What this protest is about is an opposition against the fundamental
>>> inequality in society
>>
>> So... it's a protest against reality?
>
>They want Socialist utopia and they always blame someone for standing

The number one tool of right-wing fascists is and always has been
lying. It's the only way that they can get people to accept their
destructive and immoral ideology.

--
Ray Fischer | Mendocracy (n.) government by lying
rfis...@sonic.net | The new GOP ideal

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no matter how much the conservative legacy media lies, OWS is broad
based:high school-aged kids with their parents/college students/men in
business suits/mothers with baby carriages/people with jobs/people who
were unemployed/white-haired retirees



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/spain-indignados-protests_b_1029640.html

Huffington



Lessons From Spain: "Los Indignados," Occupy Wall Street, and the
Failure of the Status Quo
Posted: 10/24/11 10:20 PM ET


Saying I've just returned from a country in which I witnessed huge
protests calling for economic justice doesn't tell you much about
where I was -- it only narrows it to about 15 or 20 countries. In
fact, I was in Spain during the loosely coordinated worldwide
demonstration that took place on October 15th. The date was chosen
because it was the five-month anniversary of the Spanish protests,
which began in the middle of May. Many of the Occupy Wall Street
protesters have said that the Spanish protests served as one of their
inspirations, and many of the Spanish protesters I spoke to said they
had been re-energized by OWS. (What's the Spanish word for "synergy?")
There were protests in over 80 countries on the 15th, with half a
million taking to the streets in Madrid to voice their frustration
with a political system that has failed the people of Spain -- in the
same way our own "Los Indignados" (Spanish for "The Outraged") are
voicing their anger and frustration at a system that has failed the
"99 percent" here in America.
The Spanish protests have become the granddaddy of the protest
movements sweeping most Western democracies, and might just offer a
look at the future of what's to come on this side of the Atlantic.
There are three things in particular that strike me as I look back on
my week in Spain and try to apply it to the Occupy Wall Street
phenomenon unfolding here.
The first is the political paradox inherent in the European protests.
In Spain, the dissatisfaction is widely expected to lead to an
overwhelming victory for the conservative candidate for prime
minister, Mariano Rajoy of the Popular Party, over Alfredo Pérez
Rubalcaba of the Socialist Party, in elections to be held on November
20th. (The current prime minister, Socialist José Luis Rodríguez
Zapatero, announced in April that he wouldn't be running for a third
term.) By some estimates, the Popular Party may win over 190 of the
350 seats in the Spanish Parliament, while the Socialists might drop
below 120.
Meanwhile in France, in elections to be held in April, it is widely
expected that President Nicolas Sarkozy of the conservative Union for
a Popular Movement (UMP) will lose to the Socialist Party candidate,
François Hollande. This shows that the outpouring of anger isn't
directed against any one particular party or political philosophy, but
against the status quo. It doesn't matter what party you represent; if
you're in power, you're part of the broken political system and the
people of Spain, of France, and, quite possibly of the United States,
want you out.
In Spain, the evidence of the failure of the status quo is
particularly stark, with an unemployment rate of nearly 21 percent
(over twice what it is here). Among young people, the number has
soared to 45 percent, the highest in Europe.
While I was in Spain, I spent an hour with each of the two leading
candidates for prime minister. There were, of course, many differences
in their positions, but they were both hearing the Indignados loud and
clear.

"Three years into the recession," Rubalcaba told me, "the
Spanish only have one word on their minds: 'change.'" He spoke
especially about the plight of the young, the so-called "Lost
Generation" of those who have recently graduated from college and have
little chance of finding work any time soon. "They did everything they
needed to do to have a future, and now they can't find a job," he
said.
Even though they're more than likely to vote his party out of power,
Rubalcaba is not, as many of his American counterparts are, willfully
blind to what's fueling the protesters. "The people out there
demonstrating aren't anti-system," he said. "They expect solutions
from politics, from the system, and they haven't gotten them."
For his part, Mariano Rajoy has eagerly presented himself as the
conduit for the widespread desire for change. Like his opponent, he
too stressed that his "basic priority" is employment and jobs. "Many
young people don't see a future," he told me, noting that in Spain, as
in the U.S., for the first time the younger generation doesn't expect
to do as well as their parents.
The second thing that struck me was how family-oriented the protests
were. However they started, they are now truly a middle-class
movement. But when I looked at how the media covered the October 15th
protests, instead of the thousands of families and children and
retirees who marched in the streets, what dominated the airwaves were
burning cars from the protest in Rome -- which was hijacked by a
coterie of masked anarchists.
Just as solutions to the problems facing Europe and America are not
going to be found in traditional political ways, the truth of what's
happening is not going to be found in traditional media coverage
either. The conventional wisdom of the establishment media has been
constantly upended -- not just about the economic crisis and how it
unfolded, but about the reaction to it, as well.
Greg Sargent, for example, convincingly challenged the conventional
wisdom that there is some unbridgeable "cultural fault line" between
blue-collar white Americans and the people who take to the streets to
protest for economic justice. He pointed to a recent National Journal
poll in which the percentage of non-college-educated whites who agree
with the Occupy Wall Street protesters was 56. Just over 30 percent
disagreed. Sargent also cited a Time poll in which the percentage of
those in agreement with OWS was over 50 percent.
So the real message of the protesters is getting out, even if many in
the media want to portray it as a hippie-dippy relic of the 1960s. In
a piece for HuffPost, CNBC contributor and former White House aide
Keith Boykin concludes that, after visiting Zuccotti Park, "almost
everything the media told me about the protest is wrong."
Boykin takes apart myths like "The Movement Is Violent," "It's Just A
Bunch Of Pampered Kids," and "There Are No Black People Involved."
Boykin says he was "taken aback by how many black and Latino
participants" he saw. "I hadn't seen them on the television coverage,"
he writes. He also counters the idea that it's just a bunch of
hippies. "To watch some of the media coverage of the movement, you
would think the protest was filled with long-haired hippies left over
from the 1960s," he writes, noting he saw "high school-aged kids with
their parents, college students in their school sweatshirts, men in
business suits, mothers with baby carriages, people with jobs, people
who were unemployed," and "white-haired retirees."
The third thing that struck me about the protests -- both in Spain and
here -- is that they are about more than political and economic goals.
They are bigger than that. They are about changing civil society --
about creating a new relationship not just between the people and
their government, but among the people themselves. There's the growing
sense that the problems we're facing can't be solved just by fixing
our political institutions. We need to transform our relationships to
our communities.
There is, of course, a rich tradition for strengthening civil society
here in America -- but not so in Spain. As Rubalcaba told me, an
activist civil society isn't something that's been historically
nurtured. "Spanish civil society is passive," he said.
Working hard to help Spain develop its civil society muscle is U.S.
Ambassador Alan Solomont, the former chairman of the board for the
Corporation for National and Community Service, the federal agency
responsible for Senior Corps, AmeriCorps, and Learn and Serve America.
A one-time community organizer, Solomont has spent his life
championing the need to develop a culture of citizenship, service, and
social responsibility in America -- and is trying to assist Spain in
doing the same. As he told me: "Civic participation is not a luxury
but a necessity for a healthy democracy."
The need to nurture civil society was acknowledged by both candidates.
And so was the need for entrepreneurship and innovation. Indeed, it
was Rubalcaba, the Socialist candidate, who lamented the fact that
"the coming century should be our century -- Spain has a lot of
creativity, innovation and intelligence, but risk is not part of our
DNA." He sees nurturing an entrepreneurial spirit -- especially among
the young -- as key to Spain's turnaround: "It's about enabling people
to have a chance to get as far as they can."
If we're going get out of this mess -- the U.S., Spain, Greece and all
the rest -- there are two essential ingredients we'll need: empathy
nurtured by a strong civil society, and innovation nurtured by an
entrepreneurial spirit. Producing a political system that rewards
these essential traits, instead of being at the mercy of lobbyists and
big money donors, may require a movement of citizens taking to the
streets.
As George Bernard Shaw put it: "All progress depends on the
unreasonable man."

[Dave Heil]

On 10/29/2011 16 01, Ray Fischer wrote:
> BeamMeUpScotty<ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>> On 10/24/2011 10:50 PM, Jack wrote:
>>> Möebius Pretzel wrote:

>>>> A founder of ‘Occupy Wall Street’ talks about movement’s origin& what

>>>> comes next
>>>>
>>>> People criticize you for your numerous goals and messages. What is the
>>>> main message in this movement?
>>>>
>>>> What this protest is about is an opposition against the fundamental
>>>> inequality in society
>>>
>>> So... it's a protest against reality?
>>
>> They want Socialist utopia and they always blame someone for standing
>
> The number one tool of right-wing fascists is and always has been
> lying. It's the only way that they can get people to accept their
> destructive and immoral ideology.

Then, by your own definition, you're a rightwing fascist, Wrong Ray.
Who knew?

[Captain Compassion]

On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 09:22:23 -0700 (PDT), Nickname unavailable
<Vid...@tcq.net> wrote:

>On Oct 24, 9:50 pm, Jack <@noway.com> wrote:
>> Möebius Pretzel wrote:
>> > A founder of ‘Occupy Wall Street’ talks about movement’s origin & what
>> > comes next
>>
>> > People criticize you for your numerous goals and messages. What is the
>> > main message in this movement?
>>
>> > What this protest is about is an opposition against the fundamental
>> > inequality in society
>>
>> So... it's a protest against reality?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Unleash the hidden power of Bisquick
>>
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>
>no matter how much the conservative legacy media lies, OWS is broad
>based:high school-aged kids with their parents/college students/men in
>business suits/mothers with baby carriages/people with jobs/people who
>were unemployed/white-haired retirees
>

The only revolutions that work are those with guns. Lots of confused
whiners here but no guns.

[Ray Fischer]

Dave Heil <k8...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>On 10/29/2011 16 01, Ray Fischer wrote:
>> BeamMeUpScotty<ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>>> On 10/24/2011 10:50 PM, Jack wrote:

>>>> M�ebius Pretzel wrote:
>>>>> A founder of �Occupy Wall Street� talks about movement�s origin& what
>>>>> comes next
>>>>>
>>>>> People criticize you for your numerous goals and messages. What is the
>>>>> main message in this movement?
>>>>>
>>>>> What this protest is about is an opposition against the fundamental
>>>>> inequality in society
>>>>
>>>> So... it's a protest against reality?
>>>
>>> They want Socialist utopia and they always blame someone for standing
>>
>> The number one tool of right-wing fascists is and always has been
>> lying. It's the only way that they can get people to accept their
>> destructive and immoral ideology.
>
>Then, by your own definition, you're a rightwing fascist, Wrong Ray.

Grow up, Sig. If all you can do is lie then don't cry when you get
called a liar.

[Raymond C Fischer, 90 Hunt Way, Campbell, CA 95008; 408-374-1969]

Summary: Ray is a classic usenet zoo monkey. Liars, once they have
been exposed, frequently revert to behavior most similar to a zoo
monkey who sits in the cage throwing feces at passersby but saying
nothing of value. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.

Raymond C. Fischer (54)
(Louise Fischer)
90 Hunt Way
Campbell, CA 95008
408-374-1969

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On 07 Nov 2008 05:04:44 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>Patriot Games <Pat...@America.Com> wrote:
>> rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>Patriot Games <Pat...@America.Com> wrote:
>>>>On 02 Nov 2008 18:28:47 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>>Patriot Games <Pat...@America.Com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names"
>>>>>>>Listen, asshole, I'm not going to explain this to you again -- you clearly
>>>>>>>are too fucking stupid to understand.
>>>>>>Oops! Another LIAR caught LYING.
>>>>>No, he's right. You are too stupid.
>>>>That's the BEST you got!?!?!?!??!!
>>>By your standards you are lying about the population of Chicago.
>>Prove it.

YOU were tasked with PROVING your claim.

YOU FAILED to PROVE your claim.

>You claimed that the population of Chicago is not 3,000,000 but is, in
>fact, 2,842,518. But that number is oncorrect. If saying that the
>population is 3,000,000 is a lie than your claim is certainly a lie.

According to recent estimates, the population of Chicago, IL is
2,842,518.
http://www.ask.com/web?q=chicago+population&qsrc=1&o=ushpd&l=dis

YOU are a PROVEN LIAR.

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