Can Perry Win Florida By Gutting Social Security?

[Bret Cahill]

? ? ?

[Lisa Lisa]

On Sep 14, 11:58 pm, Bret Cahill <Bret_E_Cah...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ?  ?  ?

It's laughable, isn't it?

[maxw...@my-deja.com]

On Sep 14, 11:58 pm, Bret Cahill <Bret_E_Cah...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ?  ?  ?

Shhh! I hope that Perry stays the front runner because once
he wins the nomination he doesn't stand a chance.

[Bret Cahill]

> > ?  ?  ?
>
> Shhh! I hope that Perry stays the front runner because once
> he wins the nomination he doesn't stand a chance.

That's obviously what the administration is hoping for but Perry's red
meat barf headism will certainly rally most teabaggers.

Obama may need to do the economic populist equivalent of the bin Laden
raid to rally independents.


Bret Cahill

[Michael Price]

On Sep 15, 1:58 pm, Bret Cahill <Bret_E_Cah...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ?  ?  ?

Can the US government survive if someone doesn't gut social security?

[RichD]

On Sep 15, Michael Price <nini_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Can the US government survive if someone doesn't gut social security?

heh

More to the point, can the american working man

survive if someone doesn't gut social security?

hint: what happens to any Ponzi scheme, in the
long run?

-
Rich

[Michael Price]

Calling Social Security a Ponzi scheme is unfair - to Charles Ponzi.

[Dare]

"Bret Cahill" <Bret_E...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:eafb9462-a51b-48ca...@h9g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
>? ? ?

Does he have to have Florida?
Will Marco Rubio deliver Florida in the general election?
.....
But, do elected officials reflect the sentiment of the voters?
If the voters feel that it's just a question of "us" vs "them"
and no one is willing to sacrifice anything that is "mine"
to stabilize the economy, then it seems they want partisan
politics and gridlock...to keep from giving up their benefits.

Then it may depend on who can get out the vote best...
which depends on what?....how much money they spend?

What is the best solution for economic recovery?
Is it possible to see beyond immediate special interests
and look toward the long-term results?
How long can we survive if we don't?

[Zinnic]

I call it an insurance scheme abused by Congress. I guess you believe
it is right and proper to "gut" the abused.?Social Security was not
designed to be a bank to make loans that Congress cannot afford to
repay. It was designed to financially secure a population of workers
with an average life-expectancy significantly less than current
expectancy. Under the same circumstances, a private business would be
expected to institute a significant increase in premiums.
Oops! Silly me. Under no circumstances should government act in a
business-like manner!
Zinnic

[The PHANTOM]

On Sep 14, 10:58 pm, Bret Cahill <Bret_E_Cah...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ?  ?  ?

You useful idiots need a new playbook. The only one scaring the
geezers is O'Bama.

[Bret Cahill]

He can keep it up his sleeve right up until early October 2012.

After that it may be too late.

For one thing the media will want to cover it as much as the WSJ
wanted to cover the Murdoch hearings/scandal.


Bret Cahill

[Beam Me Up Scotty]

The FEAR isn't whether SS is gutted but when SS will get so much support
from the Left that it does what all GOOD Ponzi schemes do.

[Rich Grise]

The Neocons have jumped into bed with the liberal Lamestream Media
in their fear and hatred of Ron Paul, because he's the only honest
man in Washington, DC. They're flogging Gunslinger Perry, Wicked Witch
Bachmann, and Obamney in hopes that such a nomination will throw the
election to their Glorious Beloved Infallible Commissar, much like
McCain's selection of the National Dits as his running mate threw
2008 to the Hussein.

This is why it's vitally important for us all to throw our support
behind Ron Paul, the one man who has had the right answers for thirty
years.

Are we ready to grow up and listen, rather than just swallowing and
parroting the statist line?

Isn't there anybody left in America who still loves the Constitution?

Thanks,
Rich

[Ala]

"Bret Cahill" <Bret_E...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>? ? ?
>
>

of course not.

It will be the year for independents. And not tea party either. They're
not independent. They're just a fringe republican group

Eveything every group and politician has done so far has this last decade
has sucked
nothing Perry can do will pull any political ass out of the fire

remember this? remember what the result was. Not the shrinkage of
government. Not the cure of unemployment. Not a rise in wealth.

people will hold on to their entitlements with their last gasps

http://readersupportednews.org/ORIGINAL%20URL

Deal Only Postpones More Series Economic Warfare
By Danny Schechter, Media Channel.org
10 April 11


the Capitol Hill battlefield is still for the moment as the Easter holidays
approach and the combatants get a break from the heated polemics and
overnight bargaining sessions. In a last minute deal, milked by both sides
for maximum drama and political advantage, the government will not shut
down - at least not now - even as its budget has taken a major whack.

Each side can posture to supporters as a victor. The President, who managed
the process from the shadows, posed for photos in the White House after his
great compromise of 2011 was announced.

It was a media moment to be relished, as media columnist Howard Kurtz
explained in the Daily Beast, "The White House escaped most of the blame.
Once the spotlight shifted from the political gamesmanship to the human
impact of a shutdown - soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan not getting checks,
passport offices closed, national parks off limits - everyone knew an angry
public would start pointing fingers. But blame-shifting is a high art in
Washington; now both sides can argue about who brought the country back from
the brink."

[Ala]

"Michael Price" <nini...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 15, 1:58 pm, Bret Cahill <Bret_E_Cah...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ? ? ?

>Can the US government survive if someone doesn't gut social security?

it won't survive if they don't. the ss taxes are used only to a very
minimal extent to run ss and pay benefits. The rest of it is rediverted to
pay the debt and operate the government. You gut ss you gut the us.

[Ala]

"Zinnic" <zinni...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>> Calling Social Security a Ponzi scheme is unfair - to Charles Ponzi.

>I call it an insurance scheme abused by Congress. I guess you believe
>it is right and proper to "gut" the abused.?Social Security was not
>designed to be a bank to make loans that Congress cannot afford to
>repay. It was designed to financially secure a population of workers
>with an average life-expectancy significantly less than current
>expectancy. Under the same circumstances, a private business would be
>expected to institute a significant increase in premiums.
> Oops! Silly me. Under no circumstances should government act in a
>business-like manner!

If SS is a ponzi scheme, then there are a few other things that are super
Ponzi schemes.
All government taxation and the false promises that come with it.

And you know what is a sooper dooper Ponzi scheme?

Political candidate contributions.

And Rick Ponzi Perry's is the biggest scam there is

Remember when he bragged about not being able to be bought for a mere 5k
last week in rebuttal to Bachmann?

Billions of contributions is what he said he gets.
Total Ponzi scheme

[Immortalist]

On Sep 14, 8:58 pm, Bret Cahill <Bret_E_Cah...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ?  ?  ?

http://traffic.libsyn.com/thejimmydoreshow/The_JImmy_Dore_Show_9-15-11.mp3
http://www.jimmydorecomedy.com/

[Michael Price]

On Sep 17, 1:05 am, Zinnic <zinnic....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 16, 2:04 am, Michael Price <nini_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 16, 1:37 pm, RichD <r_delaney2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 15, Michael Price <nini_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Can the US government survive if someone doesn't gut social security?
>
> > > heh
>
> > > More to the point, can the american working man
> > > survive if someone doesn't gut social security?
>
> > > hint: what happens to any Ponzi scheme, in the
> > > long run?
>
> > > -
> > > Rich
>
> >   Calling Social Security a Ponzi scheme is unfair - to Charles Ponzi.
>
> I call it an insurance scheme  abused by Congress.

Well the people who created it didn't create it as an insurance
scheme
and the Supreme Court has specifically said that it's not.

> I guess you believe
> it is right and proper to "gut" the abused.?Social Security

There is nothing to gut, but if I could gut it yes I would. Social
Security
has been a regressive (i.e. good for the rich bad for the poor) scheme
from
it's inception and it's been openly known to be regressive for at
least 30 years.

> was not designed to be a bank to make loans that Congress cannot afford to
> repay.

No it was designed to transfer money from the young poor to the rich
old.

> It was designed to financially secure a population of workers
> with an average life-expectancy significantly less than  current
> expectancy.

If that was really it's designed function why didn't they just
fund pensions from general revenue? No instead they forced everyone
to buy a mythical financial product that many didn't want, need or
afford.

> Under the same circumstances,  a private business would be
> expected to institute a significant increase in premiums.
>  Oops!  Silly me. Under no circumstances should government act in a
> business-like manner!
> Zinnic

The difference is that these aren't premiums, they're taxes and the
authorities have specifically said so.

[Bret Cahill]

> > > > > Can the US government survive if someone doesn't gut social security?
>
> > > > heh
>
> > > > More to the point, can the american working man
> > > > survive if someone doesn't gut social security?
>
> > > > hint: what happens to any Ponzi scheme, in the
> > > > long run?
>
> > > > -
> > > > Rich
>
> > >   Calling Social Security a Ponzi scheme is unfair - to Charles Ponzi.
>
> > I call it an insurance scheme  abused by Congress.
>
>   Well the people who created it didn't create it as an insurance
> scheme
> and the Supreme Court has specifically said that it's not.
>
> > I guess you believe
> > it is right and proper to "gut" the abused.?Social Security
>
>   There is nothing to gut, but if I could gut it yes I would.  Social
> Security
> has been a regressive (i.e. good for the rich bad for the poor) scheme
> from
> it's inception and it's been openly known to be regressive for at
> least 30 years.

Looks like everyone agrees with the great majority of American
voters: It's time to hike taxes on the rich to pay for any shortfalls
in SS funding.


Bret Cahill

[Repubs Lost Unpaid Wars]

I get the feeling Perry is being pushed into being a candidate. Its
like he really doesn't want it. Anyway, Perry never said he wanted to
run for the presidency before any of the other candidates did.

[Repubs Lost Unpaid Wars]

On Sep 15, 7:54 pm, Bret Cahill <Bret_E_Cah...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Obama may need to do the economic populist equivalent of the bin Laden
> raid to rally independents.

I doubt it. Americans don't like Obama, but fortunately, they like
all the repug candidates even less.

Lets hope the polls keep telling us that.

[The PHANTOM]

> Bret Cahill- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Got a cite for that claim lil' fat Bret?

[The PHANTOM]

On Sep 18, 12:55 pm, Repubs Lost Unpaid Wars <walter_even...@post.com>
wrote:

Which "Poll" would that be??

[Uno Hu]

The PHANTOM <hoofhe...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:0447a537-5d58-43dd...@b10g2000vbz.googlegroups.com

> On Sep 18, 12:31=A0pm, Bret Cahill <Bret_E_Cah...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Can the US government survive if someone doesn't gut

social sec=
> urity?

> >
> > > > > > heh
> >
> > > > > > More to the point, can the american working man
> > > > > > survive if someone doesn't gut social security?
> >
> > > > > > hint: what happens to any Ponzi scheme, in the
> > > > > > long run?
> >
> > > > > > -
> > > > > > Rich
> >

> > > > > =A0 Calling Social Security a Ponzi scheme is unfair - to
Charles P=
> onzi.
> >
> > > > I call it an insurance scheme =A0abused by Congress.
> >
> > > =A0 Well the people who created it didn't create it as an

insurance
> > > scheme
> > > and the Supreme Court has specifically said that it's not.
> >
> > > > I guess you believe
> > > > it is right and proper to "gut" the abused.?Social Security
> >

> > > =A0 There is nothing to gut, but if I could gut it yes I would.
=A0Soci=
> al

> > > Security
> > > has been a regressive (i.e. good for the rich bad for the poor)
scheme
> > > from
> > > it's inception and it's been openly known to be regressive for at
> > > least 30 years.
> >
> > Looks like everyone agrees with the great majority of American

> > voters: =A0It's time to hike taxes on the rich to pay for any

shortfalls
> > in SS funding.
> >
> > Bret Cahill- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Got a cite for that claim lil' fat Bret?
>

Only thinks that licking rich people's boots is good, Panty.

[Michael Price]

Ok, so then you're in favor of abandoning the idea of funding your
moronic
welfare system through a regressive, anti-employment tax. Great. Any
particular reason why you weren't in favor of that decades ago?
No I'm not in favor of looting the rich to privilege people who want
free money.
I am in favor of greater economic egalitarianism as long as it's
achieved through
reducing the amount of unearned government money going to the rich
rather than
increasing the amount of earned private money coming from the rich.

[Michael Price]

A cite? From Bret?

[Bret Cahill]

What makes you think anyone here wasn't for that decades ago?


Bret Cahill

[Jerry Okamura]

What kind of government do you want? How serious is the problem with the
National Debt? Do we have a serious funding problem with the big three
entitlement programs, or not? How important is our freedom and liberties?
Do we want to be more dependent on government or less dependent on
government?

"Ala" wrote in message
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[Jerry Okamura]

"Ala" wrote in message
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Can Social Security keep all of the promises it has made, without screwing
someone?

[Jerry Okamura]

"Ala" wrote in message
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Political candidate contributions.

How can ANY person who runs for the Presidency have any chance of winning,
"if" they do not raise a ton of money?

[Jerry Okamura]

"Michael Price" wrote in message
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On Sep 17, 1:05 am, Zinnic <zinnic....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 16, 2:04 am, Michael Price <nini_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 16, 1:37 pm, RichD <r_delaney2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 15, Michael Price <nini_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Can the US government survive if someone doesn't gut social
> > > > security?
>
> > > heh
>
> > > More to the point, can the american working man
> > > survive if someone doesn't gut social security?
>
> > > hint: what happens to any Ponzi scheme, in the
> > > long run?
>
> > > -
> > > Rich
>
> > Calling Social Security a Ponzi scheme is unfair - to Charles Ponzi.
>
> I call it an insurance scheme abused by Congress.

Well the people who created it didn't create it as an insurance
scheme
and the Supreme Court has specifically said that it's not.

You can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig?

[Jerry Okamura]

"Bret Cahill" wrote in message
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What is the unfunded liability of the program? How much can you get from
the rich?

[Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head]

> It's laughable, isn't it?

It's both laughable and sad that progressives really think these lies
are going to keep President 0 in the WH.

[Jerry Okamura]

Not really....they would not say the things they do say, if people do not
believe what they say....they say those kinds of things, because a good
number of people DO BELIEVE that what they say is the truth.

"Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head" wrote in message
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[Bible Studies with Satan]

Jerry Okamura wrote:

> What kind of government do you want?

Democratic Socialist! Like Sweden, Norway and Finland. You conservatives have
ruined America.

--
Ezekiel 23:20

[Michael Price]

Yeah liar, I'm sure you were chanting "Friedman is right, end Social
Security"
in the eighties. I remember so well the hordes of leftists who
surrounded
the Reagan White House with signs saying "Let the poor off the SS
hook".
Get help.

[Michael Price]

Yeah liar, I'm sure you were chanting "Friedman is right, end Social

[Buster Norris (Kicks Shit Out Of Pansy Dems and Laughs At Them)]

Summary: A classic usenet zoo monkey. Liars, once they have been
exposed, frequently revert to behavior most similar to a zoo monkey
who sits in the cage throwing feces at passersby but saying nothing of
value.

[][][][][][]

The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"

[Courtesy of Buster Norris]

On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 12:24:38 -0700, Bible Studies with Satan
<bi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Did they ask them if they wanted tax credits for corporate jets? I didn't think
>so.

Why are you so fucking stupid???????????????

"...the corporate jet tax break to which Obama was referring – called
“accelerated depreciation,” and a popular Democratic foil of late –
was reauthorized by his own stimulus package."

Obama Blasts Private Jet Tax Breaks Included in His Own Stimulus
June 29, 2011
http://blog.heritage.org/2011/06/29/obama-blasts-private-jet-tax-breaks-created-by-his-own-stimulus/

Posted from:
The DemocRATs Hall of Shame!
http://www.democrathallofshame.com/

[Tom S.]

"Bible Studies with Satan" <bi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Jerry Okamura wrote:
>
>> What kind of government do you want?
>
> Democratic Socialist! Like Sweden, Norway and Finland. You conservatives
> have
> ruined America.
>

Yah, like Norway and Sweden are doing so well.

[Bible Studies with Satan]

Tom S. wrote:

Norway has the highest standard of living in the world and 3.3% unemployment.
Sweden has 7.4 % unemployment and good benefits for those unemployed.

As usual, the conservative is unable to face reality.

--
Ezekiel 23:20

[Buster Norris (Kicks Shit Out Of Pansy Dems and Laughs At Them)]

Summary: A classic usenet zoo monkey. Liars, once they have been
exposed, frequently revert to behavior most similar to a zoo monkey
who sits in the cage throwing feces at passersby but saying nothing of
value.

[][][][][][]

The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"

[Courtesy of Buster Norris]

On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 17:10:08 -0700, Bible Studies with Satan
<bi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tuesday, the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS)
>> announced it was awarding a $28.8 million Obamacare grant to 67
>> community health centers, many of which offer free care to ‘migrant
>> workers,’
>
>No they don't.

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Of that $28.8 million, "approximately $8.5 million will be used by 25
New Access Point awardees to target services to migrant and seasonal
farm workers," Health Resources and Services Administration (HRSA)
Spokeswoman Judy Andrews told CNSNews.com."
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/hhs-awards-85-million-obamacare-money-25

[Ala]

"Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head"

<messi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> It's laughable, isn't it?
> It's both laughable and sad that progressives really think these lies
> are going to keep President 0 in the WH.

http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2011/09/06/two_different_worlds/page/full/
Thomas Sowell Two Different Worlds
ideological clashes over particular laws, policies and programs often go far
deeper. Those with opposing views of what is desirable for the future also
tend to differ equally sharply as to what the reality of the present is. In
other words, they envision two very different worlds.

A small but revealing example was a recent New York Times criticism of
former Apple CEO Steve Jobs for not contributing to charity as much as the
New York Times writer thought he should. The media in general are full of
praise for business people and their companies for giving away substantial
amounts of their wealth. Indeed, that is one of the few things for which
many in the media praise businesses and the wealthy.

Americans in general -- whether rich, poor or in between -- have one of the
most remarkable records for donating not only money but time to all sorts of
charitable endeavors. Privately financed hospitals, colleges and innumerable
other institutions abound in the United States, while they are rare to
non-existent in many other countries, where such things are usually left to
government or to religious organizations.

[Ala]

"Jerry Okamura" <okamu...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:EaJeq.7469$tT1....@newsfe21.iad...

>
>
>
>
> How can ANY person who runs for the Presidency have any chance of winning,
> "if" they do not raise a ton of money?
>

Not saying they should not. Just don't deflect criticism of your own Ponzi
scheme by pointing to another one
>

[Ala]

"Jerry Okamura" <okamu...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message

news:69Jeq.31996$Ol1....@newsfe07.iad...

actually it can. The SS costs are only the tiniest percentage of the taxes
they take in. The secret that no one seems to talk about is that the
majority of the SS taxes go into the general fund to buy bonds to finance
any number of other government needs. If you got rid of SS you would stop a
really large stream of income to the general government probably second only
to what China buys from us in debt. You stop ss you stop the entire
government.

If the government had reinvested those funds over the last 30 years and
dedicated them to ss rather than other programs ss would be more than flush
today.
If they stopped rediverting ss funds today they'd be flush.

Yes ss can keep its promise and can do it even better if people understood
what really happens with their ss taxes

[Ala]

"Jerry Okamura" <okamu...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message

news:w7Jeq.34169$oz6....@newsfe11.iad...

> What kind of government do you want? How serious is the problem with the
> National Debt? Do we have a serious funding problem with the big three
> entitlement programs, or not? How important is our freedom and liberties?
> Do we want to be more dependent on government or less dependent on
> government?
>

we have a serious funding program with medicare, especially medicare part d
because Bush never bothered to fund it.

not so much problem with ss if other government demands would stop pirating
their tax intake

[Ala]

"Bible Studies with Satan" <bi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Jerry Okamura wrote:
>
>> What kind of government do you want?
>
> Democratic Socialist! Like Sweden, Norway and Finland. You conservatives
> have
> ruined America.
>
>

and unfortunately not much can bring it back. sure we can sue for fraud.
The sad thing about judgments against these bad guys will end up costing tax
payers a lot of money to pursue and guess who has their money in banks.
Little guys. So you force the banks to pay big fines and penalties for
this. They lose profits. What will they do? Soak the little guy by
dropping the interest rates on their little now less than 1 percent return
on their savings accounts.

What they should do is fine the banks who are proven to have defrauded pay
all the account holders the fines back into their accounts, because if it
was not for the banks heinous misrepresentations and failures to enforce
underwriting standards we would not be in this mess and interest rates would
not have been unnaturally suppressed to this extent.

http://legaltimes.typepad.com/blt/2011/09/-federal-housing-finance-agency-suing-top-banks-over-mortgage-backed-securities.html
9/2
Federal Housing Finance Agency Suing Top Banks Over Mortgage-Backed
Securities

The Federal Housing Finance Agency filed suit today against 17 of the
world's largest financial firms, seeking to recover losses suffered by
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac on private-label mortgage-backed securities.

The suits, filed in New York federal or state court or federal court in
Connecticut, target firms including Bank of America Corp., Citigroup, Inc.,
Deutsche Bank AG, Goldman Sachs & Co., JPMorgan Chase & Co., Merrill Lynch &
Co. and Morgan Stanley, as well as their officers and lead underwriters.

The federal housing agency serves as conservator for Fannie Mae and Freddie
Mac, and is is charged with preserving the companies' assets on behalf of
taxpayers.

Represented by lawyers from Quinn Emanuel Urquhart & Sullivan and Kasowitz,
Benson, Torres & Friedman, the agency is seeking damages and civil penalties
under the Securities Act of 1933, as well compensatory damages for negligent
misrepresentation. Some of the complaints also allege state securities law
violations or common law fraud.

"The complaints filed today reflect FHFA's conclusion that some portion of
the losses that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac incurred on private-label
mortgage-backed securities (PLS) are attributable to misrepresentations and
other improper actions by the firms and individuals named in these filings,"
according to the agency's press release, issued late Friday afternoon.

In the complaint against Bank of America, for example, the agency alleges
that "Between September 30, 2005 and November 5, 2007, Fannie Mae and
Freddie Mac purchased over $6 billion in residential mortgage-backed
securities...Significant percentages of the underlying mortgage loans were
not originated in accordance with the represented underwriting standards and
origination practices and had materially poorer credit quality than what was
represented in the Registration Statements."

[Beam Me Up Scotty]

On 9/22/2011 12:23 PM, Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking

4 more for 0
OR

0 more 4 The 0

[Ala]

"Beam Me Up Scotty" <Then-Destro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
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There will be harder teams to beat

[Sid9]

"Ala" <alac...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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To be a successful Republican candidate, in Florida, he needs to convince
Florida's retirees that he will protect their Social Security while screwing
their grandchildren.

[Ala]

"Sid9" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Conservatives join liberals in opposing payroll tax cut
By Russell Berman

President Obama's push to extend a payroll tax cut has united a rare
combination of conservative Republicans and liberal Democrats in opposition.

When Obama first pushed to include the proposal in a tax package in
December, House liberals said the tax holiday would threaten the Social
Security trust fund, which is maintained through the payroll levy. Now that
he wants to extend and deepen the tax cut, a number of House Republicans are
making the same argument.

Link:
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/180781-conservatives-join-liberals-in-opposing-payroll-tax-cut

>

[jane.playne]

Their grandchildren are already screwed. In 2036, only 25 years from
now, the present system will:

1. only be able to pay 75% of scheduled benefits, and

2. there will be only 2 workers supporting each retiree.

In addition to those two facts, those two workers will be working to pay
off the interest on the national debt that has been created by their
retiree.

Those two workers will have little left over for themselves.

[Sid9]

"jane.playne" <jane....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Everyone with a brain KNOWS SS is easily fixed.
This is simply another phony Republican made crisis
Like the debt and deficit, manufactured crises.

[Beam Me Up Scotty]

Is it a crisis? I hadn't heard that.


If so, then we better raise your taxes fast....


Don't bother reading the Bill, Just sign a blank sheet of paper and let
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid and Obama fill in all the details later.





Is this any way to run a rail road?

[Beam Me Up Scotty]

They wouldn't have any time to spend any money anyways, they'll be
working more than two jobs to pay for health care and the all the fines
and taxes to stay healthy so they can keep working.

[Tom S.]

"Sid9" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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>
>>
>>
>
> Everyone with a brain KNOWS SS is easily fixed.
> This is simply another phony Republican made crisis
> Like the debt and deficit, manufactured crises.

Not a problem, to the arithmetically challenged.

So easily fixed the Dem's are puking on their shoes trying to avoid it.

[Sid9]

"Tom S." <tms...@cox.com> wrote in message
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Another display of RRR ignorance

[Ala]

"jane.playne" <jane....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>

> Their grandchildren are already screwed. In 2036, only 25 years from now,
> the present system will:
>
> 1. only be able to pay 75% of scheduled benefits, and
>
> 2. there will be only 2 workers supporting each retiree.
>
> In addition to those two facts, those two workers will be working to pay
> off the interest on the national debt that has been created by their
> retiree.
>
> Those two workers will have little left over for themselves.
>
>

surprised to see a political joke from you

I'm having the same problem, anthing that can be done about it? Don't
guess so...?

My father in his dotage converted to the Democratic party

[Ala]

"Beam Me Up Scotty" <Then-Destro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in

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> Is it a crisis? I hadn't heard that.
>
>
> If so, then we better raise your taxes fast....
>
>

How about just allowing SS to use the taxes they already collect rather than
having them rediverted to other government needs

[Ala]

"Sid9" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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YES BUt he was also cruel

>

[Sid9]

"Ala" <alac...@comcast.net> wrote in message

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You would need to increase some taxes to pay Republican bush,jr' wars and
their St Reagan's profligate spending

something Republican Tea Partiers oppose

[jane.playne]

Yes, Sid, we all know about your simple fix. Your simple fix is to
FORCE those who make more than $106,800 into buying more Old Age,
Survivors, and Disability Insurance than they neither want nor need.

Your simple fix can be explained "simply"; you want someone else to pay
the bill.

[Sid9]

"jane.playne" <jane....@gmail.com> wrote in message

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Your "simple" fix is to do nothing and simply obstruct anything so Obama
does not get a second term.

McConnell said it.

The rest of America believes him.

Yes, ALL taxes have an element of "force" involved, so what?

[Buster Norris (Cracks Pansy Lib's Heads and Laughs At Them)]

Summary: Sid is considered less of a liar and more of a senile idiot,
possibly an actual retard under medical supervision.

[][][][][][]
The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"

[Courtesy of Buster Norris]

On Mon, 23 May 2011 16:23:41 -0400, "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net>
wrote:

>The SS crisis is a Republican fake.

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Social Security expenditures exceeded the program’s non-interest
income in 2010 for the first time since 1983. The $49 billion deficit
last year (excluding interest income) and $46 billion projected
deficit in 2011 are in large part due to the weakened economy and to
downward income adjustments that correct for excess payroll tax
revenue credited to the trust funds in earlier years. This deficit is
expected to shrink to about $20 billion for years 2012-2014 as the
economy strengthens. After 2014, cash deficits are expected to grow
rapidly as the number of beneficiaries continues to grow at a
substantially faster rate than the number of covered workers.
http://www.ssa.gov/oact/trsum/index.html

[Buster Norris (Cracks Pansy Lib's Heads and Laughs At Them)]

Summary: Sid is considered less of a liar and more of a senile idiot,
possibly an actual retard under medical supervision.

[][][][][][]
The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"

On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 15:45:26 -0400, "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net>
wrote:
>Re: Islamic militants have opened a Pandora's Box in Europe. They will
>long regret what happened in Norway today
>July 22, 2011
>Norway Ripped by Oslo Bomb, Youth Camp Shootings

Oops! Caught lying:

"The Norwegian police on Saturday charged a man they identified as a
right-wing fundamentalist Christian in connection with a bombing in
central Oslo and a shooting attack on a nearby island that killed at
least 92 people."
http://www.theledger.com/article/20110723/NEWS/110729786?Title=Norway-Bomb-Suspect-Obsessed-With-Multiculturalism

[Uno Hu]

Shuttup, Buttster.

Go yap in another forum.

"Buster Norris (Cracks Pansy Lib's Heads and Laughs At Them)"
<bustyo...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
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[jane.playne]

Sorry, Sid, but you are wrong. I have espoused SS reform since before
Clinton stated:

"In 1960, there were 5.1 Americans working for every one person drawing
Social Security. In 1997, there's still 3.3 people working for every one
person drawing Social Security. In 2030, the year after the Social
Security trust fund supposedly will go broke unless we change something,
at present projected retirement rates -- that is, the presently
projected retirement age and same rates -- there will be two people
working for every one person drawing Social Security."

> and simply obstruct anything so Obama
> does not get a second term.
>

What OBAMA Social Security reforms have I opposed?

What Social Security reforms has Obama proposed???

> McConnell said it.
>
> The rest of America believes him.
>
> Yes, ALL taxes have an element of "force" involved, so what?
>

There is a difference between paying TAXES and the FORCED purchase of
Insurance that a person neither wants nor needs.

>

[Sid9]

"jane.playne" <jane....@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:j6a2r0$mo9$1...@dont-email.me...

So what?

You say America is too poor to support retired Americans who have
contributed a life time of working to our nation?

Same Republican shit to make people believe America is poor and
impoverished.

We are a strong, wealthy and powerful nation who because of Republican
politics is made out to be a 100 pound weakling.

We are the wealthiest nation in the world.

[jane.playne]

I agree that we are the wealthiest nation in the world. However, that
does not negate the fact that our Social Security system has been
mismanaged by congress (both parties), is broken and is in trouble.


The fact that congress is considering FORCING upper income people into
buying insurance that they neither want nor need is proof that the
system is broken.

Your concept of saving Social Security by forcing people to buy unwanted
insurance is akin to solving the GM (Government Motors) problem by
passing a law that requires people making over $106,800 to buy a GM car.

[Sid9]

"jane.playne" <jane....@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:j6ajs9$b3a$1...@dont-email.me...

False.
A lie
A deception.
Congress wrote the rules.
America has the wealth to fix any real problem that may exist.

More Republican scare tactics.

>
>
> The fact that congress is considering FORCING upper income people into
> buying insurance that they neither want nor need is proof that the system
> is broken.

Your ability to reason is seriously flawed.
The Republican party is seriously flawed because they have been captured by
Tea Party radicals.

>
> Your concept of saving Social Security by forcing people to buy unwanted
> insurance is akin to solving the GM (Government Motors) problem by passing
> a law that requires people making over $106,800 to buy a GM car.
>
>
>
>

More flawed, deceptive "logic"!

[Buster Norris (Cracks Pansy Lib's Heads and Laughs At Them)]

Summary: Lora D. (currently posting as "Uno Hu") is a complete
crackpot. Believes 9/11 was an inside job, has seen UFOs and black
helicopters and is on a first-name basis with ass-probing space
aliens...

[][][][][][]
The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"

On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 06:36:36 -0800 (PST), lorad <lora...@cs.com>
wrote:
>On Jan 14, 6:30 am, Patriot Games <Patr...@america.com> wrote:
>> http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2010/01/13/report-warns-about-public-d...
>> January 13, 2010
>> Report Warns About Public Debt
>If Emperor Bush had only continued Clinton's balanced budgets...

Oops! Caught LYING, again...

"In fact, in 1995, two years after that tax hike, the budget baseline
submitted by the president's own Office of Management and Budget and
the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office predicted $200 billion
deficits for as far as the eye could see."

"It was Bill Clinton who, during the big budget fight in 1995, had to
submit not one, not two, but five budgets until he begrudgingly
matched the GOP's balanced-budget plan. In fact, during the height of
the budget wars in the summer of 1995, the Clinton administration
admitted that "balancing the budget is not one of our top priorities."
"The figure shows that the actual cumulative budget deficit from 1994
to 1998 was almost $600 billion below the Clintonomics baseline. Part
of the explanation for the balanced budget is that Republicans in
Congress had the common sense to reject the most reckless features of
Clintonomics. Just this year, Bill Clinton's budget proposed more than
$100 billion in new social spending -- proposals that were mostly
tossed overboard."
October 8, 1998
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=5656

[Buster Norris (Cracks Pansy Lib's Heads and Laughs At Them)]

Summary: Sid is considered less of a liar and more of a senile idiot,
possibly an actual retard under medical supervision.

[][][][][][]

The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"

On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 10:03:18 -0400, "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net>
wrote:
>Re: Killing OK under Florida law. Though shalt not....what?
>Murder charges dismissed against man who shot two on Riviera Beach boat

Oops! Caught lying...

Defending your life is "ok" under Florida Law.

Oops! Caught lying...

Original translation: "Thou shalt not MURDER."

http://www.deathreference.com/Sy-Vi/Thou-Shalt-Not-Kill.html
http://www.biblestudy.org/question/what-does-thou-shall-not-kill-mean.html

Self defense is NOT murder...

[Beam Me Up Scotty]

Pelosi and Reid and Obama can't be "do nothing government critters"
They have to do something, even if it's wrong.....


Besides they need more power and money to waste and SS is the perfect
way to extort it from us, and the elderly are easy to instill fear into.
They are easy targets for criminals and bullies.



Just sign a blank check and sit down and shut up, or the Democrats will
have to beat you over the head with the lie that you're wanting old
people to have to eat DOG FOOD.

[Beam Me Up Scotty]

Doesn't it seem a bit twisted that the people that die young are forced
to pay for those that get the gift to live longer?


You'd think that living longer would be a an unparalleled blessing.....
yet the people that are taxed for being young and die young, and never
get to collect their benefits are paying the freight for the few lucky
enough to live past the age prescribed by congress.


It's genetic discrimination, pure and simple.

[Beam Me Up Scotty]

half right, I "Scotty" intend to see to it that NO Socialist like Obama
gets another chance to corrupt the Constitution as Obama has shown he
will do.

Socialists want to circumvent and ignore the constitution and install
Socialism and yet the constitution says we're a constitutional Republic
and NOT a Socialist Democracy.

The fact that Socialists want to ignore and circumvent the constitution,
shows how un American the Socialists are. Anyone that's NOT following
and committed to the constitution, and a government subservient to the
constitution, is NOT a true American.

The constitution allows you to change it, so if you want Socialism you
have to change the constitution to get it, if you choose to do it via
duplicity and subversion you deserve all the scorn and all the ire you get.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

[Jerry Okamura]

"Bible Studies with Satan" wrote in message
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Jerry Okamura wrote:

> What kind of government do you want?

Democratic Socialist! Like Sweden, Norway and Finland. You conservatives
have
ruined America.



So, individual freedom, liberty and independence are not that important to
you?

[BeamMeUpScotty]

ARTICLE IV
Section. 4.

*The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union* a
*Republican Form of Government* , and shall protect each of them against
Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive
(when the Legislature cannot be convened), against domestic Violence.



*THERE IS ONE KIND OF GOVERNMENT THAT WE AGREED UPON* over two hundred
years ago, have you added an amendment to change that?








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[Jerry Okamura]

"BeamMeUpScotty" wrote in message
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Do our elected representatives follow the Constitution, or do our elected
representatives ignore those parts of the Constitution, they don't like to
follow?








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[BeamMeUpScotty]

On 11/28/2011 4:30 PM, Jerry Okamura wrote:
>
>
> "BeamMeUpScotty" wrote in message
> news:4ED145DE...@blackhole.nebulax.com...
>
> On 11/26/2011 2:33 PM, Jerry Okamura wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Bible Studies with Satan" wrote in message
>> news:-r-dnW35SYcVHebT...@mchsi.com...
>>
>> Jerry Okamura wrote:
>>
>>> What kind of government do you want?
>>
>> Democratic Socialist! Like Sweden, Norway and Finland. You conservatives
>> have
>> ruined America.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, individual freedom, liberty and independence are not that important
>> to you?
>
> ARTICLE IV
> Section. 4.
>
> *The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union* a
> *Republican Form of Government* , and shall protect each of them against
> Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive
> (when the Legislature cannot be convened), against domestic Violence.
>
>
>
> *THERE IS ONE KIND OF GOVERNMENT THAT WE AGREED UPON* over two hundred
> years ago, have you added an amendment to change that?

+----------------------------------------------------------------------+

> Do our elected representatives follow the Constitution, or do our
> elected representatives ignore those parts of the Constitution, they
> don't like to follow?

Not what I was posing for the answer. I was asking what is actually in
the constitution. I'm looking at you point as a done deal that America
is supposed to follow the constitution, those that don't are traitors to
America and deserve to be executed as traitors.

The time has come to force government to follow the constitution or be
convicted as criminals and traitors and then executed.


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