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Ron Paul Plan Cuts Spending By $1 Trillion In First Year, Reaches Balanced Budget In 3 Years, Eliminates 5 Federal Cabinet Departments

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"Möebius Pretzel (white shirt NYPD = BlackH2O)"

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Oct 18, 2011, 9:26:36 PM10/18/11
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Ron Paul Unveils His Economic Plan - Cuts Spending By $1 Trillion In The
First Year, Reaches Balanced Budget In 3 Years, Eliminates 5 Federal
Cabinet Departments

Even if you're not a Ron Paul fan, watch this - This is how you fix
Washington.

http://dailybail.com/home/ron-paul-unveils-his-economic-plan-cuts-spending-by-1-trilli.html

Bret Cahill

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Oct 19, 2011, 12:13:24 AM10/19/11
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> http://dailybail.com/home/ron-paul-unveils-his-economic-plan-cuts-spe...

Sounds like a _serious_ outbreak of Libertaria!

GO RON PAUL!!!!!


Ray Fischer

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Oct 22, 2011, 3:04:42 AM10/22/11
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Möebius Pretzel (white shirt NYPD = BlackH2O) <Möebius*Pretzel~@~Ubiquitous.com> wrote:
>Ron Paul Unveils His Economic Plan - Cuts Spending By $1 Trillion In The
>First Year, Reaches Balanced Budget In 3 Years, Eliminates 5 Federal
>Cabinet Departments
>
>Even if you're not a Ron Paul fan, watch this - This is how you fix
>Washington.

By eliminating millions of jobs.

Clever

--
Ray Fischer | Mendocracy (n.) government by lying
rfis...@sonic.net | The new GOP ideal

Anonymous Infidel - The anti-political talking head

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Oct 22, 2011, 11:13:32 AM10/22/11
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> >Ron Paul Unveils His Economic Plan - Cuts Spending By $1 Trillion In The
> >First Year, Reaches Balanced Budget In 3 Years, Eliminates 5 Federal
> >Cabinet Departments
>
> >Even if you're not a Ron Paul fan, watch this - This is how you fix
> >Washington.
>
> By eliminating millions of jobs.
In Finland and China...How much money have you made off of Solyndra
and Fisker Automotive?
>
> Clever
And you're a moron, but who doesn't know that by now...
>
> --
> Ray Fischer - Obamatard Chickenhawk        |  Obamacracy (n.) government--favors the rich-- by lying and thuggery
> rfisc...@ObamaCockEaters.net  |    The new Progressive ideal

BeamMeUpScotty

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Oct 22, 2011, 2:24:43 PM10/22/11
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On 10/22/2011 3:04 AM, Ray Fischer wrote:
> Möebius Pretzel (white shirt NYPD = BlackH2O) <Möebius*Pretzel~@~Ubiquitous.com> wrote:
>> Ron Paul Unveils His Economic Plan - Cuts Spending By $1 Trillion In The
>> First Year, Reaches Balanced Budget In 3 Years, Eliminates 5 Federal
>> Cabinet Departments
>>
>> Even if you're not a Ron Paul fan, watch this - This is how you fix
>> Washington.
>
> By eliminating millions of jobs.
>
> Clever
>



Eliminating Tens of thousands of useless Government jobs....







BeamMeUpScotty

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Oct 22, 2011, 2:26:52 PM10/22/11
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On 10/22/2011 3:04 AM, Ray Fischer wrote:
> Möebius Pretzel (white shirt NYPD = BlackH2O) <Möebius*Pretzel~@~Ubiquitous.com> wrote:
>> Ron Paul Unveils His Economic Plan - Cuts Spending By $1 Trillion In The
>> First Year, Reaches Balanced Budget In 3 Years, Eliminates 5 Federal
>> Cabinet Departments
>>
>> Even if you're not a Ron Paul fan, watch this - This is how you fix
>> Washington.
>
> By eliminating millions of jobs.
>
> Clever
>



Eliminating Tens of thousands of useless Government jobs....




Then create an amendment to the constitution that limits the Federal
Government from taxing or Spending more than 18% of the GDP.


liberal

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Oct 22, 2011, 4:33:39 PM10/22/11
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I suggest we rename the United States to "United Somalian States".
We'll look just like that nation. An alternative would be the
Confederate States of America....all that Civil War paper money will
be valuable again. Plantation economy across the country!!! Lookin'
forward to it.

Slave auctions in the town square...only call 'em "Job Fairs"....looks
better in print.

liberal

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Oct 22, 2011, 4:36:40 PM10/22/11
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On Oct 22, 2:26 pm, BeamMeUpScotty
As compared to the Chinese economic model???????

Cab you spell "STUPID"????

BeamMeUpScotty

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Oct 22, 2011, 6:05:08 PM10/22/11
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On 10/22/2011 4:33 PM, liberal wrote:
> On Oct 19, 12:13 am, Bret Cahill <Bret_E_Cah...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Ron Paul Unveils His Economic Plan - Cuts Spending By $1 Trillion In The
>>> First Year, Reaches Balanced Budget In 3 Years, Eliminates 5 Federal
>>> Cabinet Departments
>>
>>> Even if you're not a Ron Paul fan, watch this - This is how you fix
>>> Washington.
>>
>>> http://dailybail.com/home/ron-paul-unveils-his-economic-plan-cuts-spe...
>>
>> Sounds like a _serious_ outbreak of Libertaria!
>>
>> GO RON PAUL!!!!!
>
> I suggest we rename the United States to "United Somalian States".

I renamed it three years ago to the "Socialist States of America"


> We'll look just like that nation. An alternative would be the
> Confederate States of America....all that Civil War paper money will
> be valuable again. Plantation economy across the country!!! Lookin'
> forward to it.

Federalk money will be worthless in this new Civil War..... the ware
between the Federal Government and the The People.




> Slave auctions in the town square...only call 'em "Job Fairs"....looks
> better in print.


Obama calls them Employment centers and Colleges.

Buster Norris (Smacks Wimpy Dem's Fat Faces and Laughs At Them)

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Summary: Liberalhere is an umemployed bum posting from the public
library in Buffalo, NY. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.

[][][][][][]
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"Why do you always LIE?"

[Courtesy of Buster Norris]

On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 10:15:51 -0700 (PDT), liberal
<liber...@gmail.com> wrote:
>There has never been a privitization that made a
>former government good or service available at a lower price to
>consumer and was of better quality.

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Before privatization the city had allowed the water system to
deteriorate to near collapse, was being fined by the EPA for violating
clean water standards, and had nearly 50% more employees working in
the water department than needed. The water department said it needed
to double water rates to solve these problems. Privatization saved the
city roughly $10 million per year, brought the system into compliance
with EPA standards, and raised rates only 10 percent to accomplish
it."
Atlanta dissolves water privatization
http://waterindustry.org/Water-Facts/atlanta-1.htm

Posted from:
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http://www.democrathallofshame.com/

Ray Fischer

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Oct 22, 2011, 9:57:45 PM10/22/11
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Anonymous Infidel - The anti-political talking head <messi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >Ron Paul Unveils His Economic Plan - Cuts Spending By $1 Trillion In The
>> >First Year, Reaches Balanced Budget In 3 Years, Eliminates 5 Federal
>> >Cabinet Departments
>>
>> >Even if you're not a Ron Paul fan, watch this - This is how you fix
>> >Washington.
>>
>> By eliminating millions of jobs.
>In Finland and China...How much money have you made off of Solyndra

Kook

Ray Fischer

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Oct 22, 2011, 9:58:16 PM10/22/11
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More freedom for corporations to steal from you and kill you.

BeamMeUpScotty

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Oct 22, 2011, 10:10:55 PM10/22/11
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On 10/22/2011 9:58 PM, Ray Fischer wrote:
> BeamMeUpScotty <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>> On 10/22/2011 3:04 AM, Ray Fischer wrote:
>>> Möebius Pretzel (white shirt NYPD = BlackH2O) <Möebius*Pretzel~@~Ubiquitous.com> wrote:
>>>> Ron Paul Unveils His Economic Plan - Cuts Spending By $1 Trillion In The
>>>> First Year, Reaches Balanced Budget In 3 Years, Eliminates 5 Federal
>>>> Cabinet Departments
>>>>
>>>> Even if you're not a Ron Paul fan, watch this - This is how you fix
>>>> Washington.
>>>
>>> By eliminating millions of jobs.
>>>
>>> Clever
>>
>> Eliminating Tens of thousands of useless Government jobs....
>
> More freedom for corporations to steal from you and kill you.
>
Risk is freedom or Freedom is risky, yes that would be much the same.


I will keep the risk that came with my freedom.

Anonymous Infidel - The anti-political talking head

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Oct 22, 2011, 10:27:56 PM10/22/11
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> >> >Ron Paul Unveils His Economic Plan - Cuts Spending By $1 Trillion In The
> >> >First Year, Reaches Balanced Budget In 3 Years, Eliminates 5 Federal
> >> >Cabinet Departments
>
> >> >Even if you're not a Ron Paul fan, watch this - This is how you fix
> >> >Washington.
>
> >> By eliminating millions of jobs.
> >In Finland and China...How much money have you made off of Solyndra
> >and Fisker Automotive?
>
> Kook
We know what you are, now answer the question.
>
> --
> Ray Fischer - Obamatard Chickenhawk | Obamacracy (n.) warmongering government--for the rich--by lying and thuggery

Ray Fischer

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Oct 23, 2011, 3:27:17 AM10/23/11
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Corporations don't have to recognize your "freedom", sucker.

BeamMeUpScotty

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Oct 23, 2011, 6:33:23 PM10/23/11
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On 10/23/2011 3:27 AM, Ray Fischer wrote:
> BeamMeUpScotty <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>> On 10/22/2011 9:58 PM, Ray Fischer wrote:
>>> BeamMeUpScotty <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>>>> On 10/22/2011 3:04 AM, Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>> Möebius Pretzel (white shirt NYPD = BlackH2O) <Möebius*Pretzel~@~Ubiquitous.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Ron Paul Unveils His Economic Plan - Cuts Spending By $1 Trillion In The
>>>>>> First Year, Reaches Balanced Budget In 3 Years, Eliminates 5 Federal
>>>>>> Cabinet Departments
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even if you're not a Ron Paul fan, watch this - This is how you fix
>>>>>> Washington.
>>>>>
>>>>> By eliminating millions of jobs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Clever
>>>>
>>>> Eliminating Tens of thousands of useless Government jobs....
>>>
>>> More freedom for corporations to steal from you and kill you.
>>>
>> Risk is freedom or Freedom is risky, yes that would be much the same.
>>
>> I will keep the risk that came with my freedom.
>
> Corporations don't have to recognize your "freedom", sucker.


Actually, it's only Obama and Socialist government that can "force" me
to buy something and it is you that suggest all corporations want is
money and that greed is evil.


It's Government that steals my freedom, NOT corporations.




Ray Fischer

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Oct 25, 2011, 2:55:16 AM10/25/11
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BeamMeUpScotty <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>On 10/23/2011 3:27 AM, Ray Fischer wrote:
>> BeamMeUpScotty <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>>> On 10/22/2011 9:58 PM, Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>> BeamMeUpScotty <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 10/22/2011 3:04 AM, Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>> Möebius Pretzel (white shirt NYPD = BlackH2O) <Möebius*Pretzel~@~Ubiquitous.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Ron Paul Unveils His Economic Plan - Cuts Spending By $1 Trillion In The
>>>>>>> First Year, Reaches Balanced Budget In 3 Years, Eliminates 5 Federal
>>>>>>> Cabinet Departments
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even if you're not a Ron Paul fan, watch this - This is how you fix
>>>>>>> Washington.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By eliminating millions of jobs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Clever
>>>>>
>>>>> Eliminating Tens of thousands of useless Government jobs....
>>>>
>>>> More freedom for corporations to steal from you and kill you.
>>>>
>>> Risk is freedom or Freedom is risky, yes that would be much the same.
>>>
>>> I will keep the risk that came with my freedom.
>>
>> Corporations don't have to recognize your "freedom", sucker.
>
>Actually, it's only Obama and Socialist government that can "force" me

Somebody kick the hate-bot - it's stuck mindlessly repeating the same
old tired hate.

Raymond C Fischer, 90 Hunt Way, Campbell, CA 95008; 408-374-1969

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Summary: Ray is a classic usenet zoo monkey. Liars, once they have
been exposed, frequently revert to behavior most similar to a zoo
monkey who sits in the cage throwing feces at passersby but saying
nothing of value. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.

Raymond C. Fischer (54)
(Louise Fischer)
90 Hunt Way
Campbell, CA 95008
408-374-1969

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"Why do you always LIE?"

[Courtesy of Buster Norris]

On 29 Jul 2011 04:13:32 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>the economy was just fine when the housing bubble popped.

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"On December 30, 2008 the Case-Shiller home price index reported its
largest price drop in its history. Increased foreclosure rates in
2006–2007 among U.S. homeowners led to a crisis in August 2008 for the
subprime, Alt-A, collateralized debt obligation (CDO), mortgage,
credit, hedge fund, and foreign bank markets."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_housing_bubble

Unemployment Rate 2008
Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
4.9% 5.4% 5.6% 5.8% 6.1% 6.2% 6.6% 6.8% 7.3%
http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost

Brian

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Oct 26, 2011, 2:11:32 PM10/26/11
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"liberal" <liber...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:f75ea81f-3a7d-4796...@n13g2000vbv.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 19, 12:13 am, Bret Cahill <Bret_E_Cah...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Ron Paul Unveils His Economic Plan - Cuts Spending By $1 Trillion In The
> > First Year, Reaches Balanced Budget In 3 Years, Eliminates 5 Federal
> > Cabinet Departments
>
> > Even if you're not a Ron Paul fan, watch this - This is how you fix
> > Washington.
>
> >http://dailybail.com/home/ron-paul-unveils-his-economic-plan-cuts-spe...
>
> Sounds like a _serious_ outbreak of Libertaria!
>
> GO RON PAUL!!!!!

We could elimiate the DEA, BATF, and TSA immediately and both save money and
help preserve what freedom we have left.


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Oct 26, 2011, 3:03:27 PM10/26/11
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On Oct 18, 8:26 pm, "Möebius Pretzel (white shirt NYPD = BlackH2O)"
> http://dailybail.com/home/ron-paul-unveils-his-economic-plan-cuts-spe...

and you may as well get your spot saved in the soup line. because the
blowout of the economy will be a sonic boom, heard round the world.
as we have seen through out modern history, that austerity has never
worked, any where, any time. it turned a recession, into the great
depression.
after the first cut by the idiot, he will find out that he cannot
meet his goals, because austerity promotes contraction, not expansion,
and the idiot will find himself facing vastly reduced tax receipts.
so the next thing the idiot will say, is we must slash even more. of
course, that will only make matters worse, as we have seen all over
conservative run europe.
who ever heard of something so stupid, as starving a person into
health, who is already starving.
if you listen to cranks and crack pots, that say you can strangle
your way into health, do not be to surprised if you find yourself on a
cold slab in the morgue.

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On Oct 22, 9:10 pm, BeamMeUpScotty
<ThenDestroyEveryth...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
> On 10/22/2011 9:58 PM, Ray Fischer wrote:
>
you can move to somalia today. there is nothing stopping you. they
have no government, so no passport needed.

Marvin the Martian

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Oct 26, 2011, 7:16:23 PM10/26/11
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You're socialist bullshit is showing. The plan cuts government and not
private industry. Unless you think killing little brown assholes in
Afghanistan or Iraq is a benefit to you, or doing naked body scans and
grope searches on 5 year olds and 90 year old Nuns in wheelchairs (in
which case you're wacked) government doesn't provide you much for the
dollar.

Taking those ill spent dollars out of the hands of corrupt politicians
and LEAVING them in the pockets of consumers will be a boost to the
economy. They will spend it (having no tendency to save at all) and that
will be a big shot in the arm to the private economy.
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Oct 26, 2011, 11:00:32 PM10/26/11
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nope, its called common sense, which you have none of. if starving a
anorexic worked, every anorexic would be cured.

The plan cuts government and not
> private industry.


what a dope. private industry is not creating any jobs, because their
customer base has shrank, and continues to shrink.
both of bushs tax breaks are in effect, and so are reagans, yet, no
jobs:)))))))))))))

Unless you think killing little brown assholes in
> Afghanistan or Iraq is a benefit to you, or doing naked body scans and
> grope searches on 5 year olds and 90 year old Nuns in wheelchairs (in
> which case you're wacked) government doesn't provide you much for the
> dollar.
>



that is wasted money, no doubt about it. but that money can be
reallocated into productive measures.


> Taking those ill spent dollars out of the hands of corrupt politicians
> and LEAVING them in the pockets of consumers will be a boost to the
> economy. They will spend it (having no tendency to save at all) and that
> will be a big shot in the arm to the private economy.

bull shit.

the lower the tax rate goes, the lower growth goes. refute it with
verifiable, credible, reliable sources and cites if you can.

ideology is a poor substitute for pragmatic approaches to complicated
problems:Actually Tax Cuts Don't Seem to Have Much Impact on Economic
Growth:in fact they create bubbles/low growth

please click on the link for the graph. its a simple one, it should
not strain your limited skills to much.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-strauss/tax-cuts-economic-growth-_b_1031376.html

Steven Strauss



Actually Tax Cuts Don't Seem to Have Much Impact on Economic Growth...
Posted: 10/25/11 04:56 PM ET

It has been something of an article of faith among conservatives that
the solution to America's problems is in smaller government and lower
tax rates. The argument on taxes goes something like: 'We need to
unleash the wealth creators, who stimulated by the prospect of more
income (due to lower tax rates), will create wealth for all of us.'
And, that any tax increase -- for even the wealthiest taxpayers --
would have catastrophic consequences.
Actually the post World War II American economy provides a nice
empirical test of this hypothesis -- the maximum marginal income tax
rate gradually declined from about 90% to about 35%. Shouldn't this
decline have lead to an explosion of economic growth as our wealth
creators were unleashed? Sorry, Sarah Palin... it didn't.
During the ultra high tax 1950s (top marginal income tax rate of 90%),
the United States had some of its best real economic growth (over 4%/
year). And, for the decade where we had our lowest marginal income tax
rates -- we had our worst real economic growth (about 1.5%/year). (See
Table 1 below.)
So what happened? Well, first of all (Spoiler Alert! The following
will upset ideologues!), the real world is complicated. Taxes are one
part of the American economy, but by no means the only driver of our
decision making process. People are motivated by lots of things -- not
just money. In all the recent discussions about Steve Jobs, I can't
recall a single quote, anecdote or story that suggested income tax
rates had any influence on Steve Jobs' behavior. Does anyone really
believe that if US income tax rates had been slightly higher Bill
Gates would have founded Microsoft in Singapore (or some other low tax
center)? As another example -- Warren Buffet, who has been an active
investor from the 1950s to today, certainly could have moved offshore
when tax rates were higher. He didn't.
Also, keep in mind that economic growth is not driven just by
entrepreneurs and their hard work (okay, I've now simultaneously
infuriated both the left and the right). In the 1950s, the global
economy was emerging from World War II and the United States was the
only industrial economy relatively unscathed. With better policies
(arguably, the then current 90% tax rate was too high), we might have
had even higher economic growth rates in the 1950s. But, our strong
economic growth throughout the 1950s was helped by a strong tail wind
(from outside the US).
In the early 21st century, we suffered relatively anemic economic
growth (despite much lower tax rates), but we also faced a far more
competitive world and a disastrous real estate bubble. It is not clear
that lower income tax rates would have had much impact. But higher
income tax rates and other policy adjustments might have avoided the
real estate bubble from which we are now recovering.
Finally and most importantly, it is not just how the money is raised,
but how it is spent. Tax revenues that improve infrastructure, and pay
for basic research and education are investments in our future, and
will foster economic growth. Tax cuts that primarily favor high end
consumers might stimulate the purchase of luxury goods (McMansion
anyone?), but may not contribute much to overall economic growth.
My point, and I do have one -- is that ideology is a poor substitute
for pragmatic approaches to complicated problems. In fact the evidence
that tax rates influence economic growth in any way is equivocal at
best. A myriad of other factors are involved. Simply reducing tax
rates, and primarily for the wealthy, may hinder -- rather than
enhance our economic recovery.
Table 1: Comparison of mean marginal tax rates and mean real GDP
growth rate


Steven Strauss was the founding Managing Director of the Center for
Economic Transformation at the New York City Economic Development
Corporation. He will be an Advanced Leadership Fellow at Harvard
University for 2011-2012. He has also worked as a management
consultant for McKinsey and has a Ph.D. in Management from Yale
University. You can follow him on Twitter @steven_strauss.
Sources: The real GDP growth rates are from www.wolframalpha.com; the
income tax rates are from the National Taxpayers Union.

Dave Heil

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On 10/27/2011 00 54, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:

> GOvernment exists to support the needs of A nation---with or without
> profit.

I bet that the people of North Korea and Belarus are elated.


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Dave Heil

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On 10/27/2011 15 06, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> North Korea and Belarus don't have our Constitution or History.


"GOvernment exists to support the needs of A nation---with or without
profit."

--Gary/Yoofwart

I guess you meant to correct your misstatement.

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pyjamarama

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On Oct 27, 2:37 pm, Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 18:03:47 +0000, Dave Heil <k...@frontiernet.net>
> wrote:
>
> >> North Korea and Belarus don't have our Constitution or History.
>
> >"GOvernment exists to support the needs of A nation---with or without
> >profit."
>
> >      --Gary/Yoofwart
>
> >I guess you meant to correct your misstatement.
>
> One generally assumes we're talking about rational government
>
> Your inference was that N.Korea and Belarus (among many) were
> indicative of "bad" government
>
> We can assume that no such reason for existing is associated with
> dictatorships, totalitarian government, rogue nations, etc.
>
> And---the issue was "private vs government" services

The Amazing Usenet Intellect of Gary 'Yoorgloon" Roselles -- left-wing
sociopath and author of the following “views” on race, homosexuality
and killing government officials and teenage girls:

"She (Katherine Harris) should be at least shot" -- Gary Roselles

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater/msg/9448fa9e79d03c83?dmode=source

"I call Kathering[sic] Harris a nazi/fascist right wing ideologue
whore. 
What did we do to German nazis right wing whores?" -- Gary
Roselles

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.clinton/msg/9431827dde9eb727?dmode=source

“May a real american someday have the honor of putting a bullet
between her eyes." -- Gary Roselles on B. Robertson's teenage
daughter.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.bush/msg/346a12114c9884ee?hl=en&dmode=source

What the fuck would a dumb cocksucker like (Distinguished African-
American Scholar, Thomas) Sowell, who sits out at Stanford, never
having 
worked a day in his Uncle Tom life, know anything?" -- Gary
Roselles

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/652f875e53203e8e?hl=en&

"Both are traitors to their race" -- Race Purist Gary Roselles on the
importance 
of Race Loyalty

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/90646e9b4da37793

"You actually think that placing blackskinned, white thinking people
is going to gain anything with real minorities?" -- Gary Roselles,
Racist

“Bush’s Uncle Tom Cabinet A Good Move For GOP” – Gary Roselles, Racist

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater/msg/1b116fa0999182fb
(see header)

"Them brown niggers need to be taken out" -- Gary Roselles, Racist

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.republicans/msg/421a0f9263435ca4
(see header)

"He (African-American scholar Thomas Sowell) goes against his own
kind." Race loyalist Gary Roselles, insisting once again that “them
blacks” should "stick 
to their own kind"

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/17fcf97abe2e4ee2?dmode=source

"His appointment will bridge nothing. It's apparant he's being an
uncle tom to appease voters." -- White trash, racist asshole Gary
Roselles 
slurs African-American Hero General Colin Powell

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater/msg/3bdf04c3586323ed?dmode=source

"Group Negro Poster Pyjamarma admits to being a coconut headed coon"
-- Gary Roselles, pathetic racist

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/d9ccfefc35328516?dmode=source
(see header)

"Say "yes Massa", Uncle Tom." – Vile racist Gary Roselles pathetically
mocks and 
slurs prominent African-American man-of-the-cloth Jesse Lee
Peterson

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater/msg/ecc4d1339f7a1c79?hl=en&dmode=source

"How does a pampered, Stanford based, Scaife funded, Uncle Tom make
judgements on "the bottom", McFly?" -- Another day, another racial
slur on an educated, successful, independent black man from Gary
Roselles

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater/msg/67c195d05ad55e39?hl=en&dmode=source

"I consider hating RIGHT WING nazi/fascist fucks like you a God
inspired emotion."

"Hating RIGHT WINGERS is doing God's work, Dumbapropyl" -- Pure,
venomous hate-speech from "god-inspired" whackjob Gary Roselles

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.clinton/msg/9431827dde9eb727?dmode=source

Yeah, there's a real fucking credible authority----Hitchens a faggot
socialist." -- Gary Roselles, “f”-bomb droppin’ rabid homophobe

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.conservatism/msg/d2ab5e412f7ed8e7?dmode=source

"You're like that kid that has just been told that's not a hot-dog
he's sucking on" -- Gary Roselles, Pedophile, admits forcing oral
copulation on a child

http://groups.google.com/group/seattle.politics/msg/fcf8198215ac03f2?as_ums

Dave Heil

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On 10/27/2011 18 37, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 18:03:47 +0000, Dave Heil<k8...@frontiernet.net>
> wrote:
>
>>> North Korea and Belarus don't have our Constitution or History.
>>
>>
>> "GOvernment exists to support the needs of A nation---with or without
>> profit."
>>
>> --Gary/Yoofwart
>>
>> I guess you meant to correct your misstatement.
>
> One generally assumes we're talking about rational government

One is foolish to assume anything. You wrote nothing about a specific
government, national or otherwise. You specified no nation. You wrote,
"GOvernment exists to support the needs of A nation---with or without
profit."

> Your inference was that N.Korea and Belarus (among many) were
> indicative of "bad" government

No kidding.

> We can assume that no such reason for existing is associated with
> dictatorships, totalitarian government, rogue nations, etc.

Then your blanket statement is false.

> And---the issue was "private vs government" services

That's changed nothing. I made no comment about private anything, Yorplitz.

Ramon F Herrera

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-RFH

Sid9

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"Ramon F Herrera" <gopo...@jonjay.com> wrote in message
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> -RFH

....and creates massive unemployment

Sid9

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Buster Norris (Pops a Black Eye On Sissy Dem's Ugly Faces and Laughs)

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Summary: Sid is considered less of a liar and more of a senile idiot,
possibly an actual retard under medical supervision. Sid'sd lies are
mostly intended to get attention because he is a desperately lonely
old fool nearing the end of a generally failed life. Note that when
you reply to a Proven Liar you encourage them to continue lying.

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Courtesy of Buster Norris:

On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:13:12 -0400, "Sid9" <si...@belsouth.net> wrote:
>"Doorman" <twod...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:8e003a76-0699-4f77...@y4g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...
>> Imagine that. Hard work, an education, and a little luck and you too
>> can be in the top 10%. Remember, there is no air in the middle class.
>> There are only two types that can afford to be liberal. Too poor to
>> pay your own way, and rich enough that having 50% confiscated does not
>> make you poor.
>You need to pick your parents correctly or your chances have become very
>slim since Reagan.
>Very slim indeed!

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

- Millionaires became millionaires by budgeting and controlling
expenses, and they maintain their affluent status the same way; for
example, 60 percent have never spent more than "32,000 for a car.

- Much of the money they save goes to investing; the average
millionaire household invests up to 20 percent of its income annually.
- Contrary to popular belief, most millionaires are not bankers,
attorneys or corporate managers; most typically are locally-based
professionals such as welding contractors, auctioneers, pest
controllers and paving contractors.

-Eighty percent of millionaires are first-generation millionaires.
http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=4300

Among the top 5 percent of households ranked by wealth, only 8 percent
of their wealth came from inheritances.
http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=9858

- The top 1 percent of taxpayers, those who earn above "388,806, paid
40 percent of all income taxes in 2006, the highest share in at least
40 years.

- The top 10 percent in income, those earning more than "108,904, paid
71 percent.

- The top 50 percent in income paid 97.1 percent.

- Americans with an income below the median paid a record low 2.9
percent of all income taxes.
http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=16810

The richest 1% paid 39% of the income taxes, up from 37% in 2000.
The richest 5% paid 60% of the income taxes, up from 56% in 2000.
The bottom 50% paid 3% of income taxes.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071217112125AAvUc6r

For Tax Year 2006
(AGI, Adjusted Gross Income)
Top 1% AGI - 39.89% of all taxes.
Top 5% AGI - 60.14% of all taxes.
Top 10% AGI - 70.79% of all taxes.
Top 25% AGI - 86.27% of all taxes.
Top 50% AGI - 97.01% of all taxes.
Bottom 50% AGI - 2.99% of all taxes.
http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=6

Buster Norris (Pops a Black Eye On Sissy Dem's Ugly Faces and Laughs)

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old fool nearing the end of a generally failed life. Note that when
you reply to a Proven Liar you encourage them to continue lying.

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On Sun, 8 Aug 2010 10:36:09 -0400, "Sid9" <si...@belsouth.net> wrote:
>Re: America's combat role in Iraq ending in about three weeks...An Obama promise fulfilled

Oops! Caught LYING, again:

"Democrat Barack Obama on Wednesday called for completing a U.S.
withdrawal from Iraq by the end of 2008... He said he would
immediately begin to pull out troops engaged in combat operations at a
pace of one or two brigades every month, to be completed by the end of
2008."
Obama says he would withdraw from Iraq by end-2008
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1222671620070912

Ramon F Herrera 13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102, Houston, TX 77069-2374

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pretend-American. He lives and works in Houston, TX. Note that when
you reply to a Proven Liar you encourage them to continue lying.

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[Courtesy of Buster Norris]

On Sun, 3 Jul 2011 10:20:37 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F Herrera
<gopo...@jonjay.com> wrote:
>If you claim our president (a lawyer specialized on
>Constitutional Laws where the states are covered on a day-to-day
>basis)................

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"The law license of Barack Obama was voluntarily retired and Michelle
Obama's license was voluntarily placed in inactive status according to
the Attorney Registration and Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme
Court of Illinois (IARDC)."
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/o/Obama-Law-License.htm

BeamMeUpScotty

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And people called me crazy, my plan was a little easier on us than Ron
Paul's plan.


I had suggested cutting out foreign aid and cutting spending by 10% per
year until the money coming into government matches the money they are
spending. But I had several ways to make it a little less painful.

+---------------------------------------------------------------------+
Reducing regulations is primary since regulation is what stifles
commerce, the more regulations, the more it costs our economy. Most
regulations are used by existing businesses to reduce competition, and
competition would help us get out of this depression.

End the "war on drugs" make them legal(increase competition) and sold
at any drug store and push for prostitution to be legal too, that will
take the BIG money out of trafficking in drugs, and that will reduce the
gangs/dealers income and that should reduce the value of sex slaves and
hurt the human trafficking business income also. Why have illegal
prostitutes when there are so many legal tax paying prostitutes out there?

Create Bi-color money, Red money for inside the USA and Original Green
money outside the USA..... NOTHING BUT A COLOR/INK difference, and
suddenly sending red money home to Mexico would be useless as the RED
money would be useless in Mexico since the Banks and etc wouldn't accept
it abroad. All electronic money leaving the USA would be debited the
Sales tax when the money is sent/spent.

The Drug dealers would have Red money that they need to exchange for
green money, makes it hard to do in large amounts and hard to spend and
more expensive to deal with….. that *makes Drug smuggling less*
*profitable* as would dropping the income tax and installing a NATIONAL
“NEW ITEM” SALES TAX *NOT* IMPLEMENTING A VAT TAX WHICH WILL HELP THE
DRUG DEALERS and illegals by making their tax free money leaving the
country even more valuable. If they had to buy/exchange the RED money
for GREEN money then you would charge the National sales tax at that point.

Have the States Ratify an amendment withdrawing the 16th amendment...
Maybe enact something similar to the http://fairtax.org (Federal sales
tax) *BUT NOT A VAT or VALUE ADDED TAX* with the same amendment that
removes income tax and the IRS, preferably a Federal *NEW ITEM* sales tax.


This will reduce the number of tax crimes that people are in jails for
and it will give the people back their privacy. It will also promote
*GREEN* living where people will save more and waste less and buy second
hand and wear things out rather than discard and buy new. Then add to
the amendment that *if congress raises any tax by* 1% *they are forced*
*to cut*
every single expenditure of the *government by* 3%.

Begin to draw down troops as needed from around the world. Put half
of our military bases along the southern Border to minimize the amount
of border that the Border patrol needs to watch, the military and
Federal trespassing laws will push the illegals to spaces between the
military bases.

This tax/border policy will financially assault the drug dealers and
hookers and other underground economy's by forcing them to have to pay
tax when they *spend their money* , which will further reduce the
benefit of dealing in other illegal stuff. There needs to be one type
of dollar for use inside America and one type(color) of dollars for use
outside the USA. That will make it harder for smugglers to get money out
of the country and if they do spend it here then they will pay the sales
tax and that money is used to enforce the laws to catch smugglers. We
are "right now" taking money from peoples pay checks before they get
them and at the same time we don't tax drug dealers or hookers and
illegals or others at all, we are penalizing the working Americans and
giving a bonus to illegal activity. Sales tax will also encourage saving
money rather than encouraging the leveraging of every dime you can
borrow like income tax does.

This will drive people in the underground economy to become part of the
real economy. It will stop most of the turf killings and end our
immigration problems with illegals stealing identities since they will
be paying tax(as sales tax). Offer illegals less welfare and charge them
tax and they won't be so eager to come here and we won't need to chase
them......

End Social Security/Medicare, grandfather it out of existence.

Pass an amendment to the constitution that makes all
*laws_and_treaties* have a seven year sunset clause, and it requires
that each law/treaty be voted by a separate roll call vote every seven
years to continue to be maintained in our laws.

There should also be some constitutional amendments to stifle congress'
borrowing and spending making it more difficult for that process. And a
constitutional amendment to limit the Interstate Commerce Clause. The
politicians use that clause to justify all sorts of socialist crap. The
founding fathers never meant for it to be so broadly applied. Limit it
with an amendment, so government can't justify every crazy idea by
saying its legal under the interstate commerce clause.

Pass another amendment creating term limits on congress so the House
has 6 terms and the Senate has 2 terms, for a total of 12 years in
either side of congress. WE NEED TO STOP CONGRESS FROM PASSING FRIVOLOUS
LAWS TAXES AND BORROWING AND ENDLESSLY PRINTING MONEY.

To quit filling the jails with people over *social taboos* , we
need to take away congress' ability to "social engineer" businesses or
private people by removing the governments use of tax code to manipulate
people.

Government needs to spend 10% less every year until they meet the
income of the government. The best way, is to
*use_both_cutting_and_taxing* , the Congress should implement a rule to
force an across the board spending freeze and then across the board cuts
on the government spending, to do that we have to include a law in our
TAX amendment to the constitution that can't be easily circumvented, to
force them to cut spending 3% for every 1% Congress raise taxes. So any
federal sales tax increase would result in automatic spending cuts using
a baseline of 10% taxes.

And we need to give up our roll as the police man of the world, let
them fight their own fights. We also need fewer crimes for people to be
committing, we need fewer police and prisons to support.... the above
drug and tax plan, will reduce police and prison needs by at least that
10% that this plan suggested cutting each year.

NO welfare to corporations, and cut welfare to private people by 10%
each year until it is 10% of today's cost. Any way you look at it, we're
in DEEP for a long time.


Anonymous Infidel - The anti-political talking head

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> ....and creates massive unemployment
And our government looting the private sector for your Solyndra fuck-
ups doesn't?

Ala

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"BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
message news:T%Iqq.11391$tf7....@en-nntp-13.dc1.easynews.com...
> And people called me crazy, my plan was a little easier on us than Ron
> Paul's plan.
>
>
> I had suggested cutting out foreign aid and cutting spending by 10% per
> year until the money coming into government matches the money they are
> spending. But I had several ways to make it a little less painful.A
> Prognosis for Greece


Tuesday 26 July 2011
by: Paul Krugman, Krugman & Co. | Op-Ed



Someday, one way or another, Greece will exit from its current state of
indentured servitude. But what will it do for a living? I often hear
assertions that the answer is �nothing.�

�What can the Greeks export?� the critics ask.

In general, my response to such claims is that those commentators suffer
from the fallacy of misplaced concreteness: An economy, even that of a small
nation, is a very complex thing, with more possibilities than a casual
top-down overview can reveal.

Still, it�s nice to see Kemal Dervis � who is the vice president for global
economics at the Brookings Institution and someone who actually knows
something about the Aegean economy � weighing in with some specific ideas.
�As a member of the E.U. and as a high-income country, despite current
difficulties, Greece�s growth cannot be based on being a manufacturing hub
for simple products produced with low wages,� Mr. Dervis explained in The
Financial Times on July 7.

Mr. Dervis continued: �A high-quality tourism sector will remain central in
Greece�s future, strengthened and complemented by more cultural activities,
retirement communities from northern Europe and high-quality medical
services at advantageous costs � It should find niches in the
high-technology sector and participate in its worldwide structure. Finally,
with considerable potential for wind and solar energy, green technologies
can, in the longer run, become a major source of growth.�

That sounds plausible. Basically, Mr. Dervis is saying location, location,
location � and surely that�s right. A spectacular archipelago in a wonderful
climate that�s part of Europe should offer many opportunities once Greece is
no longer being crucified on a cross of euros.

Ray Fischer

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Marvin the Martian <mar...@ontomars.org> wrote:
It takes a special kind of stupid to believe that government jobs are
not jobs, and that people who work for the government don't spend
money and don't benefit private industry.

> Unless you think killing little brown assholes in
>Afghanistan or Iraq is a benefit to you, or doing naked body scans and
>grope searches on 5 year olds and 90 year old Nuns in wheelchairs (in
>which case you're wacked) government doesn't provide you much for the
>dollar.

It takes a special kind of stupid to insist that eliminating all the
regulations that keep corporations from stealing form people and
killing them is a good idea.

Ray Fischer

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It takes a special kind of stupid to whine about a $500 million
business failure while completely ignoring a $2,000,000 million
business failure.

Ray Fischer

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Stupid people are incapable of understanding anything but extremes.
They believe that if a totalitarian dictatorship is bad then complete
anarchy must be good.

Anonymous Infidel - The anti-political talking head

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On Oct 29, 10:40 pm, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
> Anonymous Infidel - The anti-political talking head  <messiah2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> ....and creates massive unemployment
> >And our government looting the private sector for your Solyndra fuck-
> >ups doesn't?
>
> It takes a special kind of stupid to whine
Obvious projection from a Chickenhawk Obamatard who supports this
crony capitalist/statist bs.
>
> about a $500 million
Try trillions looted from our economy so politicians could give
billionaires money to play toy trains and the like. (And hundreds of
trillions promised in future payments)
>
> business failure while completely ignoring
I haven't ignored shit, our economy is in the shitter because of your
beloved statism/crony capitalism.
>
> Chickenhawk Ray Fischer        |  Obamacracy (n.) government--favors the rich--by lying and thuggery
> rfisc...@ObamaShitEaters.net  |   The new Progressive ideal

BeamMeUpScotty

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On 10/30/2011 1:39 AM, Ray Fischer wrote:
> Dave Heil <k8...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>> On 10/27/2011 00 54, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
>>
>>> GOvernment exists to support the needs of A nation---with or without
>>> profit.
>>
>> I bet that the people of North Korea and Belarus are elated.
>
> Stupid people are incapable of understanding anything but extremes.
> They believe that if a totalitarian dictatorship is bad then complete
> anarchy must be good.


And Socialists believe that if killing one person can be GOOD for the
government, then killing millions must be a million times better....

Socialists are tiny little Stalin's that want total government control.





Raymond C Fischer, 90 Hunt Way, Campbell, CA 95008; 408-374-1969

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Summary: Ray is a classic usenet zoo monkey. Liars, once they have
been exposed, frequently revert to behavior most similar to a zoo
monkey who sits in the cage throwing feces at passersby but saying
nothing of value. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.

Raymond C. Fischer (54)
(Louise Fischer)
90 Hunt Way
Campbell, CA 95008
408-374-1969

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[Courtesy of Buster Norris]

On 30 Aug 2011 05:39:34 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>Obama has cut spending from Bush's levels.

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2010 Total expenditures $3.552 trillion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_States_federal_budget
2009 Total expenditures $3.107 trillion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_United_States_federal_budget

Dave Heil

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On 10/30/2011 05 39, Ray Fischer wrote:
> Dave Heil<k8...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>> On 10/27/2011 00 54, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
>>
>>> GOvernment exists to support the needs of A nation---with or without
>>> profit.
>>
>> I bet that the people of North Korea and Belarus are elated.
>
> Stupid people are incapable of understanding anything but extremes.
> They believe that if a totalitarian dictatorship is bad then complete
> anarchy must be good.

Tell it to Yuhngarf; he's the one who speaks in sweeping
generalizations, Wrong Ray.


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Ray Fischer

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BeamMeUpScotty <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>On 10/30/2011 1:39 AM, Ray Fischer wrote:
>> Dave Heil <k8...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>>> On 10/27/2011 00 54, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> GOvernment exists to support the needs of A nation---with or without
>>>> profit.
>>>
>>> I bet that the people of North Korea and Belarus are elated.
>>
>> Stupid people are incapable of understanding anything but extremes.
>> They believe that if a totalitarian dictatorship is bad then complete
>> anarchy must be good.
>
>And Socialists believe that

Fascists lie about the left. Always.

Ray Fischer

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Dave Heil <k8...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>On 10/30/2011 05 39, Ray Fischer wrote:
>> Dave Heil<k8...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>>> On 10/27/2011 00 54, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> GOvernment exists to support the needs of A nation---with or without
>>>> profit.
>>>
>>> I bet that the people of North Korea and Belarus are elated.
>>
>> Stupid people are incapable of understanding anything but extremes.
>> They believe that if a totalitarian dictatorship is bad then complete
>> anarchy must be good.
>
>Tell it to Yuhngarf; he's the one who speaks in sweeping

Stop lying, Sig. I was responding to YOUR idiocy.

BeamMeUpScotty

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On 10/31/2011 1:53 AM, Ray Fischer wrote:
> BeamMeUpScotty <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>> On 10/30/2011 1:39 AM, Ray Fischer wrote:
>>> Dave Heil <k8...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>>>> On 10/27/2011 00 54, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> GOvernment exists to support the needs of A nation---with or without
>>>>> profit.
>>>>
>>>> I bet that the people of North Korea and Belarus are elated.
>>>
>>> Stupid people are incapable of understanding anything but extremes.
>>> They believe that if a totalitarian dictatorship is bad then complete
>>> anarchy must be good.
>>
>> And Socialists believe that
>
> Fascists lie about the left. Always.
>


drink, drink, drink, the Kool-ade.... you're indoctrinated to believe
that everything bad that's said about the Left is a lie.

Cults "educate" their members with that same tenet.


I have no such illusions, the Right and the Libertarians are capable
doing stupid things but the only thing worse than the Right and the
Libertarians is the LEFT that is consistently stupid in everything they do.
Message has been deleted

Raymond C Fischer, 90 Hunt Way, Campbell, CA 95008; 408-374-1969

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monkey who sits in the cage throwing feces at passersby but saying
nothing of value. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.

Raymond C. Fischer (54)
(Louise Fischer)
90 Hunt Way
Campbell, CA 95008
408-374-1969

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Courtesy of Buster Norris:

On 10 Jul 2010 21:51:58 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>Message-ID: <4c38eb7e$0$1641$742e...@news.sonic.net>
>Curt Miggs <to...@placeset.com> wrote:
>>Unemployment - is this better or worse than 2008?
>Better.

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seasonally Adjusted - Total nonfarm

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual
2000 130781 130902 131374 131660 131885 131839 132002 132005 132127
132116 132347 132485
2001 132469 132530 132500 132219 132175 132047 131922 131762 131518
131193 130901 130723
2002 130591 130444 130420 130335 130328 130373 130276 130260 130205
130331 130339 130183
2003 130266 130108 129896 129847 129841 129839 129864 129822 129925
130128 130146 130270
2004 130420 130463 130801 131051 131361 131442 131489 131610 131770
132121 132185 132317
2005 132453 132693 132835 133195 133364 133610 133979 134174 134237
134321 134655 134813
2006 135075 135401 135705 135879 135910 135979 136211 136352 136452
136495 136696 136873
2007 137067 137171 137410 137502 137651 137706 137686 137615 137667
137753 137881 137951
2008 137941 137891 137858 137709 137478 137285 137075 136741 136283
135729 135001 134328
2009 133549 132823 132070 131542(C) 131155(C) 130640(C) 130294(C)
130082 129857 129633 129697 129588
2010 129602 129641 129849 130139(P) 130570(P)
C : corrected
P : preliminary

See: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2009/05/art3full.pdf

Dave Heil

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On 10/31/2011 05 53, Ray Fischer wrote:
> Dave Heil<k8...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>> On 10/30/2011 05 39, Ray Fischer wrote:
>>> Dave Heil<k8...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>>>> On 10/27/2011 00 54, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> GOvernment exists to support the needs of A nation---with or without
>>>>> profit.
>>>>
>>>> I bet that the people of North Korea and Belarus are elated.
>>>
>>> Stupid people are incapable of understanding anything but extremes.
>>> They believe that if a totalitarian dictatorship is bad then complete
>>> anarchy must be good.
>>
>> Tell it to Yuhngarf; he's the one who speaks in sweeping generalizations, Wrong Ray.
>
> Stop lying, Sig. I was responding to YOUR idiocy.

I produced no idiocy; I provided commentary on that of Yurnfluz.
You're simply his less-talented assistant.


Dave Heil

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Oct 31, 2011, 11:26:09 PM10/31/11
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On 10/31/2011 05 21, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 04:48:08 +0000, Dave Heil<k8...@frontiernet.net>
> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Stupid people are incapable of understanding anything but extremes.
>>> They believe that if a totalitarian dictatorship is bad then complete
>>> anarchy must be good.
>>
>> Tell it to Yuhngarf; he's the one who speaks in sweeping
>> generalizations, Wrong Ray.
>
> You think the behavior of the Republican party in the last 30 years,
> and the truth about it is a "generalization"

> No wonder you're laughed at.

Stupid people often laugh at those things they are incapable of
understanding. You laugh often, Yeenquat.
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Dave Heil

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Nov 2, 2011, 3:35:43 PM11/2/11
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On 11/1/2011 04 10, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Nov 2011 03:26:09 +0000, Dave Heil<k8...@frontiernet.net>
> wrote:
>
>>>> Tell it to Yuhngarf; he's the one who speaks in sweeping
>>>> generalizations, Wrong Ray.
>>>
>>> You think the behavior of the Republican party in the last 30 years,
>>> and the truth about it is a "generalization"
>>
>>> No wonder you're laughed at.
>>
>> Stupid people often laugh at those things they are incapable of
>> understanding. You laugh often, Yeenquat.
>
> Well, the sure as shit would be a response of someone being laughed at
> that isn't capable of understanding why......

That's quite a convoluted way of trying to say something-or-other, Yarknutz.


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pyjamarama

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Nov 3, 2011, 12:12:44 AM11/3/11
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On Nov 2, 7:04 pm, Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Nov 2011 19:35:43 +0000, Dave Heil <k...@frontiernet.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On 11/1/2011 04 10, Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> >> On Tue, 01 Nov 2011 03:26:09 +0000, Dave Heil<k...@frontiernet.net>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>>>> Tell it to Yuhngarf; he's the one who speaks in sweeping
> >>>>> generalizations, Wrong Ray.
>
> >>>> You think the behavior of the Republican party in the last 30 years,
> >>>> and the truth about it is a "generalization"
>
> >>>> No wonder you're laughed at.
>
> >>> Stupid people often laugh at those things they are incapable of
> >>> understanding.  You laugh often, Yeenquat.
>
> >> Well, the sure as shit would be a response of someone being laughed at
> >> that isn't capable of understanding why......
>
> >That's quite a convoluted way of trying to say something-or-other, Yarknutz.
>
> As long as you agree.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Every agrees that you're a racist, threat-making piece of human feces,
YOORGGOT....

Especially since YOU told us so....

The Amazing Usenet Intellect of Gary 'Yoorgloon" Roselles -- left-wing
sociopath and author of the following “views” on race, homosexuality
and killing government officials and teenage girls:

"She (Katherine Harris) should be at least shot" -- Gary Roselles

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater/msg/9448fa9e79d03c83?dmode=source

"I call Kathering[sic] Harris a nazi/fascist right wing ideologue
whore. 
What did we do to German nazis right wing whores?" -- Gary
Roselles

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.clinton/msg/9431827dde9eb727?dmode=source

“May a real american someday have the honor of putting a bullet
between her eyes." -- Gary Roselles on B. Robertson's teenage
daughter.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.bush/msg/346a12114c9884ee?hl=en&dmode=source

What the fuck would a dumb cocksucker like (Distinguished African-
American Scholar, Thomas) Sowell, who sits out at Stanford, never
having 
worked a day in his Uncle Tom life, know anything?" -- Gary
Roselles

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/652f875e53203e8e?hl=en&

"Both are traitors to their race" -- Race Purist Gary Roselles on the
importance 
of Race Loyalty

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/90646e9b4da37793

"You actually think that placing blackskinned, white thinking people
is going to gain anything with real minorities?" -- Gary Roselles,
Racist

“Bush’s Uncle Tom Cabinet A Good Move For GOP” – Gary Roselles, Racist

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater/msg/1b116fa0999182fb
(see header)

"Them brown niggers need to be taken out" -- Gary Roselles, Racist

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.republicans/msg/421a0f9263435ca4
(see header)

"He (African-American scholar Thomas Sowell) goes against his own
kind." Race loyalist Gary Roselles, insisting once again that “them
blacks” should "stick 
to their own kind"

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/17fcf97abe2e4ee2?dmode=source

"His appointment will bridge nothing. It's apparant he's being an
uncle tom to appease voters." -- White trash, racist asshole Gary
Roselles 
slurs African-American Hero General Colin Powell

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater/msg/3bdf04c3586323ed?dmode=source

"Group Negro Poster Pyjamarma admits to being a coconut headed coon"
-- Gary Roselles, pathetic racist

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/d9ccfefc35328516?dmode=source
(see header)

"Say "yes Massa", Uncle Tom." – Vile racist Gary Roselles pathetically
mocks and 
slurs prominent African-American man-of-the-cloth Jesse Lee
Peterson

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater/msg/ecc4d1339f7a1c79?hl=en&dmode=source

"How does a pampered, Stanford based, Scaife funded, Uncle Tom make
judgements on "the bottom", McFly?" -- Another day, another racial
slur on an educated, successful, independent black man from Gary
Roselles

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater/msg/67c195d05ad55e39?hl=en&dmode=source

"I consider hating RIGHT WING nazi/fascist fucks like you a God
inspired emotion."

"Hating RIGHT WINGERS is doing God's work, Dumbapropyl" -- Pure,
venomous hate-speech from "god-inspired" whackjob Gary Roselles

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.clinton/msg/9431827dde9eb727?dmode=source

Yeah, there's a real fucking credible authority----Hitchens a faggot
socialist." -- Gary Roselles, “f”-bomb droppin’ rabid homophobe

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.conservatism/msg/d2ab5e412f7ed8e7?dmode=source

"You're like that kid that has just been told that's not a hot-dog
he's sucking on" -- Gary Roselles, Pedophile, admits forcing oral
copulation on a child

http://groups.google.com/group/seattle.politics/msg/fcf8198215ac03f2?as_ums

Ray Fischer

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Nov 3, 2011, 3:28:38 AM11/3/11
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BeamMeUpScotty <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>On 10/31/2011 1:53 AM, Ray Fischer wrote:
>> BeamMeUpScotty <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>>> On 10/30/2011 1:39 AM, Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>> Dave Heil <k8...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 10/27/2011 00 54, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> GOvernment exists to support the needs of A nation---with or without
>>>>>> profit.
>>>>>
>>>>> I bet that the people of North Korea and Belarus are elated.
>>>>
>>>> Stupid people are incapable of understanding anything but extremes.
>>>> They believe that if a totalitarian dictatorship is bad then complete
>>>> anarchy must be good.
>>>
>>> And Socialists believe that
>>
>> Fascists lie about the left. Always.
>
>drink, drink, drink, the Kool-ade.... you're indoctrinated to believe

I know the numbers, fascist turd. I don't rely on extremist
propaganda like you do.

Ray Fischer

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Nov 3, 2011, 3:29:39 AM11/3/11
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Dave Heil <k8...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>On 10/31/2011 05 53, Ray Fischer wrote:
>> Dave Heil<k8...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>>> On 10/30/2011 05 39, Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>> Dave Heil<k8...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 10/27/2011 00 54, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> GOvernment exists to support the needs of A nation---with or without
>>>>>> profit.
>>>>>
>>>>> I bet that the people of North Korea and Belarus are elated.
>>>>
>>>> Stupid people are incapable of understanding anything but extremes.
>>>> They believe that if a totalitarian dictatorship is bad then complete
>>>> anarchy must be good.
>>>
>>> Tell it to Yuhngarf; he's the one who speaks in sweeping generalizations, Wrong Ray.
>>
>> Stop lying, Sig. I was responding to YOUR idiocy.
>
>I produced no idiocy

LOL! You sure do, dumbass.

Raymond C Fischer, 90 Hunt Way, Campbell, CA 95008; 408-374-1969

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Nov 3, 2011, 9:37:48 PM11/3/11
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Summary: Ray is a classic usenet zoo monkey. Liars, once they have
been exposed, frequently revert to behavior most similar to a zoo
monkey who sits in the cage throwing feces at passersby but saying
nothing of value. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.

Raymond C. Fischer (54)
(Louise Fischer)
90 Hunt Way
Campbell, CA 95008
408-374-1969

[][][][][][]
The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"

On 14 Jul 2011 07:12:12 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>But the GOP has, as a stated primary objective, the elimination of
>millions of jobs in order to shift even more money to the rich.

Oops Caught lying...

There is no such "stated primary objective."

Raymond C Fischer, 90 Hunt Way, Campbell, CA 95008; 408-374-1969

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Nov 3, 2011, 9:38:06 PM11/3/11
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Summary: Ray is a classic usenet zoo monkey. Liars, once they have
been exposed, frequently revert to behavior most similar to a zoo
monkey who sits in the cage throwing feces at passersby but saying
nothing of value. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.

Raymond C. Fischer (54)
(Louise Fischer)
90 Hunt Way
Campbell, CA 95008
408-374-1969

[][][][][][]
The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"

On 14 Jul 2011 06:22:23 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>pyjamarama <pyjama...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Jul 10, 9:00 pm, Möebius Pretzel
>><Möebius*Pretzel~@~Ubiquitous.com> wrote:
>>> The Tactic Of Arresting Palestinian Children
>>Any comment on the tactic of Palestinians using children as homocide
>>bombers, himmler?
>Fiction.

Oops! Caught lying...

"In the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, Palestinian militant groups have
recruited minors to attack Israeli targets, both military and
civilian, especially during the Second Intifada. In some cases these
attacks have been suicidal in nature. This deliberate involvement of
children in armed conflict has been condemned by international
organisations and certain Palestinian groups."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_suicide_bombers_in_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict

Dave Heil

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On 11/2/2011 23 04, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Nov 2011 19:35:43 +0000, Dave Heil<k8...@frontiernet.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On 11/1/2011 04 10, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
>>> On Tue, 01 Nov 2011 03:26:09 +0000, Dave Heil<k8...@frontiernet.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Tell it to Yuhngarf; he's the one who speaks in sweeping
>>>>>> generalizations, Wrong Ray.
>>>>>
>>>>> You think the behavior of the Republican party in the last 30 years,
>>>>> and the truth about it is a "generalization"
>>>>
>>>>> No wonder you're laughed at.
>>>>
>>>> Stupid people often laugh at those things they are incapable of
>>>> understanding. You laugh often, Yeenquat.
>>>
>>> Well, the sure as shit would be a response of someone being laughed at
>>> that isn't capable of understanding why......
>>
>> That's quite a convoluted way of trying to say something-or-other, Yarknutz.

> As long as you agree.

That you're a 8.7 on the Dipschidt scale? Bingo!

*us*

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Nov 8, 2011, 9:56:16 AM11/8/11
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Too bad the electronics will lose all the votes for Ron Paul.

What would cause a person to ignore the fact that Americans
need to restore real ballots and confirmed counts?

On Tue, 08 Nov 2011 01:02:25 +0000, Dave Heil <k8...@frontiernet.net> wrote:

>... a [sic] 8.7 on the Dipschidt scale? Bingo!

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