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Tracey12
Nov 20, 2012, 1:49:12 AM11/20/12
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Student Expelled for Refusing Location Tracking RFID Badge
School makes good on threat of ‘consequences’ for refusing to submit
to ‘Mark of the Beast’ ID scheme
Aaron Dykes
Infowars.com
November 19, 2012
After months of protesting a policy requiring high school students to
wear an RFID-enabled ID badge around their necks at all times, Andrea
Hernandez is being involuntarily withdrawn from John Jay High School
in San Antonio effective November 26th, according to a letter sent by
the district that has now been made public.
Letter from John Jay High School withdrawing Andrea Hernandez for not
submitting to the RFID tracking ID badges.The letter, sent on November
13, informs her father that the Smart ID program, which was phased in
with the new school year, is now in “full implementation” and requires
all students to comply by wearing the location-tracking badges.
Since Andrea Hernandez has refused to wear the badge, she is being
withdrawn from the magnet school and her program at the Science and
Engineering Academy, and instead will have to attend William Howard
Taft HS, which is not currently involved in the ID scheme, unless she
changes her position.
FULL:
http://www.infowars.com/student-expelled-for-refusing-location-tracking-rfid-badge/
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duke
Nov 20, 2012, 7:04:51 AM11/20/12
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On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 01:29:21 -0600, AlleyCat <al...@aohell.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:49:12 -0800 (PST), In article <9f9938fd-064f-
>4eef-937d-4...@s14g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
>tracey...@gmail.com says...
Yep, kicked out of the magnet school.
The dukester, American - American
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You can't fix stupid.
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>On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:49:12 -0800 (PST), In article <9f9938fd-064f-
>4eef-937d-4...@s14g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
>tracey...@gmail.com says...
>
>> After months of protesting a policy requiring high school students to
>> wear an RFID-enabled ID badge around their necks at all times, Andrea
>> Hernandez is being involuntarily withdrawn from John Jay High School
>You go, Chica!!
>> After months of protesting a policy requiring high school students to
>> wear an RFID-enabled ID badge around their necks at all times, Andrea
>> Hernandez is being involuntarily withdrawn from John Jay High School
Yep, kicked out of the magnet school.
The dukester, American - American
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You can't fix stupid.
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Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
Nov 20, 2012, 7:24:45 AM11/20/12
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At least by GAWD it's not that EVILLLLL GW Bush or Dick Cheney. Barry
is simply doing it for the chillllldrenn.
default
Nov 20, 2012, 9:31:05 AM11/20/12
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And this tracking device requires a battery? What is this a full
fledged gps surveillance device with audio and video snooping?
Is the faculty being tracked too? If one wanted to protect children,
one should be watching the adults....
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
Nov 20, 2012, 9:34:02 AM11/20/12
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>
> So the majority of the student body is a mass of sniveling cowards?
>
> And this tracking device requires a battery? What is this a full
> fledged gps surveillance device with audio and video snooping?
>
> Is the faculty being tracked too? If one wanted to protect children,
> one should be watching the adults....- Hide quoted text -
> So the majority of the student body is a mass of sniveling cowards?
>
> And this tracking device requires a battery? What is this a full
> fledged gps surveillance device with audio and video snooping?
>
> Is the faculty being tracked too? If one wanted to protect children,
>
> - Show quoted text -
Trust me. It's not about "protecting" the children. If Big Brother can
slide this under our nose and not get shut down then whats next, RFID
tags for every citizen?
David Hartung
Nov 20, 2012, 9:52:24 AM11/20/12
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On 11/20/2012 08:34 AM, Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
wrote:
1. If all the school is trying to do is to keep track of the kids during
the time they are in the school's care, I am not sure that this is a bad
thing. It becomes a problem should the school try to require the ability
to track the kids 24/7.
2. The day is coming when the government will require such things of its
citizens. In my opinion, the only ting that has stopped them thus far is
that most American would still reject such monitoring.
wrote:
the time they are in the school's care, I am not sure that this is a bad
thing. It becomes a problem should the school try to require the ability
to track the kids 24/7.
2. The day is coming when the government will require such things of its
citizens. In my opinion, the only ting that has stopped them thus far is
that most American would still reject such monitoring.
Ramon F. Herrera
Nov 20, 2012, 10:01:25 AM11/20/12
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On Nov 20, 1:29 am, AlleyCat <al...@aohell.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:49:12 -0800 (PST), In article <9f9938fd-064f-
> 4eef-937d-4ac08e9f5...@s14g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
> tracey12em...@gmail.com says...
>
> --
> Check for Children Redirecting
Mr. Cat:
Would you do me a favor? I have you and "Marvin The Martian"
completely confused, since your writings are almost identical. You are
both overt racists, don't have the slightest clue about Economics and
Capitalism (hate it), your education is substandard (leaves much to be
desired), one of you is German (?) and the other is a white Hispanic
who hates Hispanics.
Which is which????
Gracias!
-Ramon
> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:49:12 -0800 (PST), In article <9f9938fd-064f-
> 4eef-937d-4ac08e9f5...@s14g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
> tracey12em...@gmail.com says...
>
> > After months of protesting a policy requiring high school students to
> > wear an RFID-enabled ID badge around their necks at all times, Andrea
> > Hernandez is being involuntarily withdrawn from John Jay High School
>
> You go, Chica!!
> > After months of protesting a policy requiring high school students to
> > wear an RFID-enabled ID badge around their necks at all times, Andrea
> > Hernandez is being involuntarily withdrawn from John Jay High School
>
>
> --
> Check for Children Redirecting
Mr. Cat:
Would you do me a favor? I have you and "Marvin The Martian"
completely confused, since your writings are almost identical. You are
both overt racists, don't have the slightest clue about Economics and
Capitalism (hate it), your education is substandard (leaves much to be
desired), one of you is German (?) and the other is a white Hispanic
who hates Hispanics.
Which is which????
Gracias!
-Ramon
•RLMEAS@teranews.com
Nov 20, 2012, 10:38:22 AM11/20/12
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In article
<74e3819f-28ba-4730...@c16g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
"Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E" <burto...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > And this tracking device requires a battery? =A0What is this a full
<74e3819f-28ba-4730...@c16g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
"Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E" <burto...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > fledged gps surveillance device with audio and video snooping?
> >
> > Is the faculty being tracked too? =A0If one wanted to protect children,
> >
> > one should be watching the adults....- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Trust me. It's not about "protecting" the children. If Big Brother can
> slide this under our nose and not get shut down then whats next, RFID
> tags for every citizen?
€€ Faraday shields are easy to build.
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Trust me. It's not about "protecting" the children. If Big Brother can
> slide this under our nose and not get shut down then whats next, RFID
> tags for every citizen?
wy
Nov 20, 2012, 10:53:37 AM11/20/12
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students. For what reason? To see if they're in school? What if
they're not, then what? Is it worth the half-million dollars the
school district has spent on this RFID nonsense in just two buildings
to see if kids are in school? And they want to cover the other 112
schools in the district under this program for a cost of tens of
millions of dollars? Only people in a southern state like Texas are
this stupid.
http://americanfreepress.net/?p=7385
>
> 2. The day is coming when the government will require such things of its
> citizens. In my opinion, the only ting that has stopped them thus far is
> that most American would still reject such monitoring.
get a movement against it going, which is what seems to have started
with this idiotic program.
jane
Nov 20, 2012, 11:01:51 AM11/20/12
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On Nov 20, 9:52 am, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote:
attendance tracking mechanism; it relieves the teacher from manually
taking and recording attendance.
For security, we have a similar situation at many businesses. An
employee carries an id card that is read manually by a guard or
electronically with RFID. We tend to get upset when the government
does this and find it perfectly acceptable when the private sector
gives us money (wages) when we carry the device.
I personally think this is a great motivator of creativity. The
creative students will figure that they can cause caos by exchanging
badges throught the day or figure out how to create Faraday shields.
If the school uses it for more than attendance, entry to a class room,
and track both the coming AND going, they could enable their device
upon entry to the school and cover it with a Faraday shield upon
leaving.
Andrea Hernandez is missing a great opportunity.
wy
Nov 20, 2012, 11:07:14 AM11/20/12
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for Texas' state education aid, which sounds pretty stupid since
they're unlikely to get anywhere near the amount of aid money to even
cover the full costs of implementing the system in all their
district's schools. Only Texans can think in that kind of math.
>
> For security, we have a similar situation at many businesses. An
> employee carries an id card that is read manually by a guard or
> electronically with RFID. We tend to get upset when the government
> does this and find it perfectly acceptable when the private sector
> gives us money (wages) when we carry the device.
situations, it's pointless for Walmart.
>
> I personally think this is a great motivator of creativity. The
> creative students will figure that they can cause caos by exchanging
> badges throught the day or figure out how to create Faraday shields.
> If the school uses it for more than attendance, entry to a class room,
> and track both the coming AND going, they could enable their device
> upon entry to the school and cover it with a Faraday shield upon
> leaving.
>
> Andrea Hernandez is missing a great opportunity.
http://americanfreepress.net/?p=7385
And you just wanted to pussyfoot and play games with badges. You're
not very bright, are you?
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
Nov 20, 2012, 11:28:44 AM11/20/12
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>
> - Show quoted text -
So, do you think the Obama regime gives a rat's ass what the American
> - Show quoted text -
people "reject"??
jane
Nov 20, 2012, 11:40:30 AM11/20/12
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driven use RFID tags for their employees and the employees do not
revolt because they are getting paid.
BTW: many consumer businesses ARE using RFID, but for the "other
direction". They embed a single bit RFID in the product and disable
it upon purchase. If the product is removed from the store without
being disabled, an alarm goes off. This helps prevent theft.
>
>
> > I personally think this is a great motivator of creativity. The
> > creative students will figure that they can cause caos by exchanging
> > badges throught the day or figure out how to create Faraday shields.
> > If the school uses it for more than attendance, entry to a class room,
> > and track both the coming AND going, they could enable their device
> > upon entry to the school and cover it with a Faraday shield upon
> > leaving.
>
> > Andrea Hernandez is missing a great opportunity.
>
> She's already started a growing movement doing it her way.
>
> http://americanfreepress.net/?p=7385
>
> And you just wanted to pussyfoot and play games with badges. You're
> not very bright, are you?
founded on disobedience; disobedience overthrew King George and his
army of regulars. The best way to void a half million dollar system
is to make it useless. The students are already doing that by
breaking their badges or leaving them at home.
If the school is using the system to gain revenue based on income, the
students can defeat the system buy using a dremel tool to remove the
chip from the back and create a lower attendance.
David Hartung
Nov 20, 2012, 11:48:56 AM11/20/12
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On 11/20/2012 10:28 AM, Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
No, but he needs the acquiescence of the people to put something like
RFID into place. Right now he would not get it.
RFID into place. Right now he would not get it.
wy
Nov 20, 2012, 11:49:25 AM11/20/12
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tags, it wouldn't be for any true security purposes. And of course,
if they're going to blackmail people into using them by telling them
either wear it or lose the job and the money, then yeah, in order to
feed, clothe and house themselves and their families, they'll
reluctantly wear the badge. Where's the individual choice in the
matter? You're all about individualism, aren't you? Or does
Corporate America have the right to negate the individual and his
choice?
> BTW: many consumer businesses ARE using RFID, but for the "other
> direction". They embed a single bit RFID in the product and disable
> it upon purchase. If the product is removed from the store without
> being disabled, an alarm goes off. This helps prevent theft.
person.
>
> > > I personally think this is a great motivator of creativity. The
> > > creative students will figure that they can cause caos by exchanging
> > > badges throught the day or figure out how to create Faraday shields.
> > > If the school uses it for more than attendance, entry to a class room,
> > > and track both the coming AND going, they could enable their device
> > > upon entry to the school and cover it with a Faraday shield upon
> > > leaving.
>
> > > Andrea Hernandez is missing a great opportunity.
>
> > She's already started a growing movement doing it her way.
>
> >http://americanfreepress.net/?p=7385
>
> > And you just wanted to pussyfoot and play games with badges. You're
> > not very bright, are you?
>
> You are wrong about "playing games". Our country (not yours) was
> founded on disobedience; disobedience overthrew King George and his
> army of regulars. The best way to void a half million dollar system
> is to make it useless. The students are already doing that by
> breaking their badges or leaving them at home.
>
> If the school is using the system to gain revenue based on income, the
> students can defeat the system buy using a dremel tool to remove the
> chip from the back and create a lower attendance.
one had the will until one stood out with a will and made a definitive
statement. Then all the good little monkeys follow.
jane
Nov 20, 2012, 12:01:15 PM11/20/12
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employees, some with RFID, some with bar code readers, factories and
Consumer stores use punched time cards.
The only thing new here is the RFID aspect. My personal opinion is
that Andrea's movement is an empty movement since, "she would be
content with wearing her basic freshman ID badge she received before
the RFID issue arose."[1]
citations:
1. your news story; http://americanfreepress.net/?p=7385
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Jay Herblock
Nov 20, 2012, 1:31:27 PM11/20/12
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It's breathtaking how quickly the citizens of the US have been marched
from 'free' to tagged 'slave'.
With hardly a single bleat of protest. Very sad.
wy
Nov 20, 2012, 1:56:59 PM11/20/12
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find it.
>
> The only thing new here is the RFID aspect. My personal opinion is
> that Andrea's movement is an empty movement since, "she would be
> content with wearing her basic freshman ID badge she received before
> the RFID issue arose."[1]
>
> citations:
> 1. your news story;http://americanfreepress.net/?p=7385
NotMe
Nov 20, 2012, 3:50:41 PM11/20/12
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"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:gesma8paj6k6jbbf8...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 01:29:21 -0600, AlleyCat <al...@aohell.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:49:12 -0800 (PST), In article <9f9938fd-064f-
>>4eef-937d-4...@s14g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
>>tracey...@gmail.com says...
>>
>>> After months of protesting a policy requiring high school students to
>>> wear an RFID-enabled ID badge around their necks at all times, Andrea
>>> Hernandez is being involuntarily withdrawn from John Jay High School
>
>>You go, Chica!!
>
> Yep, kicked out of the magnet school.
>
What I don't understand is why the students have not found a way to f***up
>
>>On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:49:12 -0800 (PST), In article <9f9938fd-064f-
>>4eef-937d-4...@s14g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
>>tracey...@gmail.com says...
>>
>>> After months of protesting a policy requiring high school students to
>>> wear an RFID-enabled ID badge around their necks at all times, Andrea
>>> Hernandez is being involuntarily withdrawn from John Jay High School
>
>>You go, Chica!!
>
> Yep, kicked out of the magnet school.
>
the system. It's RF not rocket science.
NotMe
Nov 20, 2012, 4:01:42 PM11/20/12
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".RLM...@teranews.com" <r...@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r-2011120...@10.0.1.3...
Aluminum foil.
Then the electrostatic plastic bags electronics (HDD) come in.
Push come to shove they can buy those bags used by the toll roads to 'turn
off' the toll tags.
Then a quick visit to your local microwave oven does wonders.
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
Nov 20, 2012, 4:03:52 PM11/20/12
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On Nov 20, 2:57 pm, "NotMe" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> "duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
> >>tracey12em...@gmail.com says...
things. Maybe cut the RFID in little pieces, drop the pieces in a bag,
set the bag on fire and snort the fumes. Hell, if not get high perhaps
it'll kill off a few future liberal demrats.
> "duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
>
> news:gesma8paj6k6jbbf8...@4ax.com...
>
> > On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 01:29:21 -0600, AlleyCat <al...@aohell.com> wrote:
>
> >>On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:49:12 -0800 (PST), In article <9f9938fd-064f-
> >>4eef-937d-4ac08e9f5...@s14g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
> news:gesma8paj6k6jbbf8...@4ax.com...
>
> > On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 01:29:21 -0600, AlleyCat <al...@aohell.com> wrote:
>
> >>On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:49:12 -0800 (PST), In article <9f9938fd-064f-
> >>tracey12em...@gmail.com says...
>
> >>> After months of protesting a policy requiring high school students to
> >>> wear an RFID-enabled ID badge around their necks at all times, Andrea
> >>> Hernandez is being involuntarily withdrawn from John Jay High School
>
> >>You go, Chica!!
>
> > Yep, kicked out of the magnet school.
>
> What I don't understand is why the students have not found a way to f***up
> the system. It's RF not rocket science.
I'm surprised they haven't found a way to get high off the fucking
> >>> After months of protesting a policy requiring high school students to
> >>> wear an RFID-enabled ID badge around their necks at all times, Andrea
> >>> Hernandez is being involuntarily withdrawn from John Jay High School
>
> >>You go, Chica!!
>
> > Yep, kicked out of the magnet school.
>
> What I don't understand is why the students have not found a way to f***up
> the system. It's RF not rocket science.
things. Maybe cut the RFID in little pieces, drop the pieces in a bag,
set the bag on fire and snort the fumes. Hell, if not get high perhaps
it'll kill off a few future liberal demrats.
wy
Nov 20, 2012, 4:22:25 PM11/20/12
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On Nov 20, 4:03 pm, "Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E"
You gotta remember: this is in Texas. Second stupidest state after
Mississippi. Actually, maybe it's the stupidest state, if only
because it's the largest and has 8 times more people than Mississippi.
Mississippi. Actually, maybe it's the stupidest state, if only
because it's the largest and has 8 times more people than Mississippi.
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
Nov 20, 2012, 4:26:28 PM11/20/12
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>
> - Show quoted text -
Proof? Oh, never mind. I forgot,you're a brainwashed Canookian, useful
> - Show quoted text -
idiot shutin. Who cares what you think?
Ron
Nov 20, 2012, 4:53:25 PM11/20/12
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Tracey.....calm down. If you had looked further than Alex Jones doo-
doo rantings you might have found the text of the letter from the high
school. Here it is at:
http://www.nisd.net/studentlocator/sites/nisd.net.studentlocator/files/docs/Jay-HS-Letter.pdf
In which we read (WITH MY CAPS)
"Once again, we are looking at technology as a means for increasing
the safety and security of our students at Jay. During the 2012-2013
school year, the District will be piloting software that will help us
immediately locate students WHILE THEY ARE IN THE SCHOOL BUILDING.
This Student Locator Project will be piloted at Jay High School, Jay
Science & Engineering Academy and at Jones Middle School and be fully
operational by the end of September."
and
"We want to assure you that the "smart" ID cards store no personal
information, and the "smart" ID card DOES NOT WORK OUTSIDE OF THE
SCHOOL."
wy
Nov 20, 2012, 5:01:21 PM11/20/12
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On Nov 20, 4:26 pm, "Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E"
George Bush. Rick "Oops" Perry. The state of Jesus and guns - I
know, I've been there. Proof enough?
know, I've been there. Proof enough?
David Hartung
Nov 20, 2012, 5:12:33 PM11/20/12
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intelligent and accomplished men?
Texas also produced people such as Red Adair, Howard Hughes, Gene
Roddenberry, Chester Nimitz, and Claire Chennault, to name just a few.
Perhaps your judgment was a but hasty?
wy
Nov 20, 2012, 5:18:15 PM11/20/12
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your IQ?
>
> Texas also produced people such as Red Adair, Howard Hughes, Gene
> Roddenberry, Chester Nimitz, and Claire Chennault, to name just a few.
crackpot on the level of Michael Jackson - Howard Hughes? Try to be a
bit more serious.
>
> Perhaps your judgment was a but hasty?
David Hartung
Nov 20, 2012, 5:30:53 PM11/20/12
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wy
Nov 20, 2012, 5:47:31 PM11/20/12
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tens of millions that have lived in Texas in the last 100 years, and
that's all you could come up with, including a mental basket case, as
an indication of intelligent life in that state? How are you making
your case anywhere near credible? Yeah, talk about ignorance.
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Sibyl Bret Ulloa
Nov 20, 2012, 7:40:19 PM11/20/12
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Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.
Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374
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>Let me tell you just one item. Fox News is not even available in most
>cable outlets outside the USA.
Oops! The taco-sniffing turd-colored Lawn Boy has been caught LYING,
again:
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Star Choice www.starchoice.com
Sun Country Cablevision www.sunwave.net
Telus Communications www.telus.com
Ucluelet Video www.ucluelet.ukeecable.net
Westman Communications www.westmancom.com
Yourlink Inc. www.yourlink.ca
Cayman
WestStar www.weststartv.com
Chile
Directv www.directvchile.cl
VTR www.lgi.com/chile
Colombia
Cablepacifico www.cablepacifico.com
Directv www.directvla.com
EPM
Gremial
Superview www.superview.com.co
TV Cable
Costa Rica
Amzak www.amzak.com
Cable Tica www.teletica.com
Supercable maurice...@supercable.co.cr
Dominican Republic
Speilcom SA
Aster Comunicaciones cgo...@aster.net.do
Tricom www.tricom.net
Ecuador
Direct TV www.directvla.com.ec
El Salvador
Amzak www.amzak.com
Grenada
Grenada Cable www.candw.gd
Guatemala
Comtech www.comtech.net.gt
Prosat
Honduras
Amzak www.amzak.com
Hong Kong
PCCW www.nowbroadbandtv.com/eng
Iceland
Icelandic Broadcasting Corp.
Icelandic Television Company www.skjarinn.is
Indonesia
First Media www.firstmedia.com
Indovision www.indovision.tv
PT. Indosat Mega Media www.indosatm2.com
Telkomvision www.telkomvision.com/default.asp
Ireland
Sky www.sky.co.uk
Israel
Yes www.yes.co.il
Italy
Sky Italia www.skytv.it
Jamaica
Allied www.alliedcablevision.com
Entertainment Systems Ltd. cabl...@cwjamaica.com
Jamaica Amalgamated Cable System
Logic One Ltd log...@cwjamaica.com
Oliver
Sauce Communication Network www.saucecomm.com
Telstar
Japan
Americable (Distributor for American Bases) site.americablejapan.com
Mediatti (Kadena Air Base) www.mediatti.com
World on Demand
Kazakhstan
Alma TV amend...@almatv.kz
ICON Limited
LLP Digital
Mitta Steel
Tengizchevroil
Macau
Macau Cable www.macaucabletv.com
Malaysia
Astro www.astro.com.my/v5
Star Cruise (Super Star Gemini) www.starcruises.com/Fleet/Gemini
Star Cruise (Super Star Virgo) www.starcruises.com/Fleet/Virgo
Maldives
Mesco www.mesco.com.mv
Mexico
Cablemas
Cablevision www.cablevision.com.mx
CV Monterrey
Inter-Cable de Victoria, SA de CV
Jesus Ernesto Soto Vega
Maria Irma Salazar Leon ant...@prodigy.net.mx
PCTV www.pctv.com.mx
Sky Mexico www.esmas.com/sky
Mideast
Arab Digital Distribution http://www.adduniverse.com
Econet www.econetcarrier.com
Evision www.evision.ae
Q-te www.qtel.com.qa
Tecom www.du.ae
The Netherlands
CAIW www.caiw.nl
Stichting CAI Hardewijk www.caihwk.nl
New Zealand
Sky Networks www.skytv.co.nz
Nigeria
TrendTV www.trendtv.tv
Pakistan
Cable Plus
Video City Cable Network
Cable Network www.hccnp.net.pk
Rousch Power Plant, www.rouschpak.com
City Cable TV Network
Sahar Cable
SM Cable Network
Chiniot Cable Network
Fauji Kabirwala Power Company Ltd
Depalpur Cable Communication,
MB Cable Network
T A Star Cable Network
S.S Cable Network
Five Star
Excel Cable Network
Global Satellite Cable Network
Fox Tel Network
Video Link
Music Zone International
Web Com (Pvt) Ltd
Ain Dice Satellite Cable Network
Nayatel ( Pvt) Ltd www.nayatel.com
Four Star Cable Network
Fox Tel Cable Network,
Candid Associates
Trivision Multi Channel
New Global Communication
Rex Cable Network
S.A Cable Network
Nizari Communication
Tahir Cable Network
Esquire Cable Network
Bismah Cable Network
Seven Friends Cable Network
Tracks Entertainment
Classic Cable Network
Global Cable Network
Luvis Cable Network
Paramount Cable Network
Sky Net Cable Ent Network
Home Entertainment ( K C S )
Star Cable Network
The Citi Communication Reg
WorldCALL Telecom Limited www.worldcall.com.pk
Rana Cable Network
City Cable Gulshan
Mehran Network (Pvt) Ltd
Show Time
Star Cable TV Network
Mian Cable Network
K+ Entertainment cable
New Digital Cable
Kashmir Cable Network
New Hollywood Cable System
WorldCALL Telecom Limited www.worldcall.com.pk
Rana Cable Network
City Cable Gulshan
Mehran Network (Pvt) Ltd
Show Time
Star Cable TV Network
Mian Cable Network
K+ Entertainment cable
New Digital Cable
Kashmir Cable Network
New Hollywood Cable System
WorldCall Telecom Limited www.worldcall.com.pk
Wateen Telecom www.wateeen.com
Al-Saba Cable
Four Star Cable Network
Video White
ABC Cable Network
O.K Video Centre & Cable
Sony Cable Network
Faisal Cable System
Max Cable Network
Sahar Cable Network
Simky Cable Network
Simky Cable Network
Sony Cable Network
5-Signals Battalian
Gandhara Cable Network
Mardan Cable
The View Cable Network
Star Cable
Palau
Island Cable www.palaunet.com
Panama
Cable Onda www.cableonda.com
Direct TV
Papua New Guinea
Channel 8 www.strong-technologies.com
Hitron www.hitron.com.pg
Peru
Boga Comunicaciones
Directv www.directv.com.pe
Philippines
Accion Cable (Distributor for Provincial Operators)
Central CATV (Beyond Cable)
Destiny Cable www.mydestiny.net
ParaSat Cable
Portugal
Clix SmarTV www.clix.pt
MEO www.meo.pt
Republic of Nauru, Fiji, Vanuatu, Solomon Islands, New Caledonia
Strong Technologies Pty. Ltd. www.sakhalinenergy.com
Russia
Kriljon
OOO Hermstat
Singapore
StarHub Cable Vision www.starhub.com
Slovenia
T-2 d.o.o. www.t-2.net
Spain
Canal Satelite Digital www.plus.es
Grupalia Internet www.superbanda.tv
Jazz Telecom www.jazztelia.es
Novus
Sogecable www.sogecable.es
St. Kitts
The Cable wre...@thecable.net
St. Lucia
St. Lucia Cablevision www.candw.lc/Products/cable-vision-services
Helen Television www.htsstlucia.com
Thailand
Sansuk Network
True Visions www.truevisionstv.com
True Digital Entertainment
Trinidad
T and T Transcable
United Kingdom
Sky www.sky.com
Uruguay
Direct TV www.directvla.com.uy
Nuevo Siglo
Riselco S.A. www.nuevosiglo.com.uy
Venezuela
Direct TV www.directvla.com.ve
Intercable www.intercable.com.ve
NETUNO www.netuno.net
Supercable corp.supercable.com/venezuela/main.htm
Vietnam
HTV Choice Center www.htv.com.vn
Nacencomm
West Indies
Anguilla - CCCH Ltd.
Nevis - CCCH Ltd.
BVI Cable TV
=======================================
On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:27:05 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F Herrera
<ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>Fox News is not even available in most
>cable outlets outside the USA. Here in Venezuela, only one cable
>company carries it.
Oops! The taco-sniffing turd-colored Lawn Boy has been caught LYING,
again:
FOX News Channel Provider List by Country
Provider Contact Info
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,184837,00.html
Venezuela
Direct TV www.directvla.com.ve
Intercable www.intercable.com.ve
NETUNO www.netuno.net
Supercable corp.supercable.com/venezuela/main.htm
====================================
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Feb: 5
Mar: 47
Apr: 193
May: 295
Jun: 97 -67% Beatdown!
Posted from:
The DemocRATs Hall of Shame!
http://www.democrathallofshame.com/
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.
Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374
[][][][][][]
The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"
On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:27:05 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F Herrera
<ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>Let me tell you just one item. Fox News is not even available in most
>cable outlets outside the USA.
Oops! The taco-sniffing turd-colored Lawn Boy has been caught LYING,
again:
FOX News Channel Provider List by Country
Provider Contact Info
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,184837,00.html
Pan Asia
Star www.startv.com
Argentina
Direct TV www.directvla.com.ar
Australia
Austar www.austar.com.au
Foxtel www.foxtel.com.au
Optus Pay TV www.optus.com.au
Virgin Blue (airline) www.virginblue.com.au
Bahamas
CableBahamas www.cablebahamas.com
Barbados
CBC Mutichannel www.cbcbarbados.bb
Bermuda
Bermuda Cablevision www.cablevision.bm
Bolivia
Imagen de Television Satelital tvc...@bivosi.scz.entel.bo
Brazil
Net Brazil
RCA Company De Telecomunicacoes ander...@uol.com.br
Sky Brazil www.skyweb.com.br
Cambodia
Phnom Penh Cable TV www.ppctv.com.kh
Canada
Access Communications www.accesscomm.ca
Aliant Telecom Inc. www.aliant.net
Askivision Systems www.aski.ca
Aurora Cable www.aci.on.ca
Bell ExpressVu www.expressvu.com
Bluewater TV Cable www.cabletv.on.ca
Bobcaygeon Cable
Cable Axion www.axion.ca
Cable Cable www.cablecable.net
Cable TV Slave Lake www.cable-lynx.net/slave
Campbell River TV Association www.crtv.net
City West Cable www.monarch.net
Cogeco www.cogeco.ca
Compton Cable TV www.compton.net
Conuma Cable Systems www.conumacable.com
Cross Country TV www.xcountry.tv
Davia Cable
Direct 2 Home TV con...@direct2hometv.com
Eastlink www.eastlink.ca
Ex-Cen Cablevision www.cabletv.on.ca
Execulink Cablecom www.execulink.com
Fenelon Falls Cable Ltd.
Kincardine Cable Tv www.portal.tnt21.com
MASCON www.mascon.bc.ca
Milk River Cable victor...@mrcable.ca
Mountain Cablevision www.mountaincable.net
MTS Allstream www.mts.mb.ca
New North Networks www.inuviktv.com/frame.html
North Nova Cable nnova...@eastlink.ca
Northwestel Cable www.coastcable.com
Novus Entertainment www.novusnow.ca
Persona Communications www.tvnwt.com
Raftview Communications www.mercuryspeed.com
Rogers Cable www.rogers.com
SaskTel Max www.sasktel.com
Seaview Communications www.seaviewcable.net
Shaw Cable www.shawcable.com
Source Cable www.sourcecable.ca
Star Choice www.starchoice.com
Sun Country Cablevision www.sunwave.net
Telus Communications www.telus.com
Ucluelet Video www.ucluelet.ukeecable.net
Westman Communications www.westmancom.com
Yourlink Inc. www.yourlink.ca
Cayman
WestStar www.weststartv.com
Chile
Directv www.directvchile.cl
VTR www.lgi.com/chile
Colombia
Cablepacifico www.cablepacifico.com
Directv www.directvla.com
EPM
Gremial
Superview www.superview.com.co
TV Cable
Costa Rica
Amzak www.amzak.com
Cable Tica www.teletica.com
Supercable maurice...@supercable.co.cr
Dominican Republic
Speilcom SA
Aster Comunicaciones cgo...@aster.net.do
Tricom www.tricom.net
Ecuador
Direct TV www.directvla.com.ec
El Salvador
Amzak www.amzak.com
Grenada
Grenada Cable www.candw.gd
Guatemala
Comtech www.comtech.net.gt
Prosat
Honduras
Amzak www.amzak.com
Hong Kong
PCCW www.nowbroadbandtv.com/eng
Iceland
Icelandic Broadcasting Corp.
Icelandic Television Company www.skjarinn.is
Indonesia
First Media www.firstmedia.com
Indovision www.indovision.tv
PT. Indosat Mega Media www.indosatm2.com
Telkomvision www.telkomvision.com/default.asp
Ireland
Sky www.sky.co.uk
Israel
Yes www.yes.co.il
Italy
Sky Italia www.skytv.it
Jamaica
Allied www.alliedcablevision.com
Entertainment Systems Ltd. cabl...@cwjamaica.com
Jamaica Amalgamated Cable System
Logic One Ltd log...@cwjamaica.com
Oliver
Sauce Communication Network www.saucecomm.com
Telstar
Japan
Americable (Distributor for American Bases) site.americablejapan.com
Mediatti (Kadena Air Base) www.mediatti.com
World on Demand
Kazakhstan
Alma TV amend...@almatv.kz
ICON Limited
LLP Digital
Mitta Steel
Tengizchevroil
Macau
Macau Cable www.macaucabletv.com
Malaysia
Astro www.astro.com.my/v5
Star Cruise (Super Star Gemini) www.starcruises.com/Fleet/Gemini
Star Cruise (Super Star Virgo) www.starcruises.com/Fleet/Virgo
Maldives
Mesco www.mesco.com.mv
Mexico
Cablemas
Cablevision www.cablevision.com.mx
CV Monterrey
Inter-Cable de Victoria, SA de CV
Jesus Ernesto Soto Vega
Maria Irma Salazar Leon ant...@prodigy.net.mx
PCTV www.pctv.com.mx
Sky Mexico www.esmas.com/sky
Mideast
Arab Digital Distribution http://www.adduniverse.com
Econet www.econetcarrier.com
Evision www.evision.ae
Q-te www.qtel.com.qa
Tecom www.du.ae
The Netherlands
CAIW www.caiw.nl
Stichting CAI Hardewijk www.caihwk.nl
New Zealand
Sky Networks www.skytv.co.nz
Nigeria
TrendTV www.trendtv.tv
Pakistan
Cable Plus
Video City Cable Network
Cable Network www.hccnp.net.pk
Rousch Power Plant, www.rouschpak.com
City Cable TV Network
Sahar Cable
SM Cable Network
Chiniot Cable Network
Fauji Kabirwala Power Company Ltd
Depalpur Cable Communication,
MB Cable Network
T A Star Cable Network
S.S Cable Network
Five Star
Excel Cable Network
Global Satellite Cable Network
Fox Tel Network
Video Link
Music Zone International
Web Com (Pvt) Ltd
Ain Dice Satellite Cable Network
Nayatel ( Pvt) Ltd www.nayatel.com
Four Star Cable Network
Fox Tel Cable Network,
Candid Associates
Trivision Multi Channel
New Global Communication
Rex Cable Network
S.A Cable Network
Nizari Communication
Tahir Cable Network
Esquire Cable Network
Bismah Cable Network
Seven Friends Cable Network
Tracks Entertainment
Classic Cable Network
Global Cable Network
Luvis Cable Network
Paramount Cable Network
Sky Net Cable Ent Network
Home Entertainment ( K C S )
Star Cable Network
The Citi Communication Reg
WorldCALL Telecom Limited www.worldcall.com.pk
Rana Cable Network
City Cable Gulshan
Mehran Network (Pvt) Ltd
Show Time
Star Cable TV Network
Mian Cable Network
K+ Entertainment cable
New Digital Cable
Kashmir Cable Network
New Hollywood Cable System
WorldCALL Telecom Limited www.worldcall.com.pk
Rana Cable Network
City Cable Gulshan
Mehran Network (Pvt) Ltd
Show Time
Star Cable TV Network
Mian Cable Network
K+ Entertainment cable
New Digital Cable
Kashmir Cable Network
New Hollywood Cable System
WorldCall Telecom Limited www.worldcall.com.pk
Wateen Telecom www.wateeen.com
Al-Saba Cable
Four Star Cable Network
Video White
ABC Cable Network
O.K Video Centre & Cable
Sony Cable Network
Faisal Cable System
Max Cable Network
Sahar Cable Network
Simky Cable Network
Simky Cable Network
Sony Cable Network
5-Signals Battalian
Gandhara Cable Network
Mardan Cable
The View Cable Network
Star Cable
Palau
Island Cable www.palaunet.com
Panama
Cable Onda www.cableonda.com
Direct TV
Papua New Guinea
Channel 8 www.strong-technologies.com
Hitron www.hitron.com.pg
Peru
Boga Comunicaciones
Directv www.directv.com.pe
Philippines
Accion Cable (Distributor for Provincial Operators)
Central CATV (Beyond Cable)
Destiny Cable www.mydestiny.net
ParaSat Cable
Portugal
Clix SmarTV www.clix.pt
MEO www.meo.pt
Republic of Nauru, Fiji, Vanuatu, Solomon Islands, New Caledonia
Strong Technologies Pty. Ltd. www.sakhalinenergy.com
Russia
Kriljon
OOO Hermstat
Singapore
StarHub Cable Vision www.starhub.com
Slovenia
T-2 d.o.o. www.t-2.net
Spain
Canal Satelite Digital www.plus.es
Grupalia Internet www.superbanda.tv
Jazz Telecom www.jazztelia.es
Novus
Sogecable www.sogecable.es
St. Kitts
The Cable wre...@thecable.net
St. Lucia
St. Lucia Cablevision www.candw.lc/Products/cable-vision-services
Helen Television www.htsstlucia.com
Thailand
Sansuk Network
True Visions www.truevisionstv.com
True Digital Entertainment
Trinidad
T and T Transcable
United Kingdom
Sky www.sky.com
Uruguay
Direct TV www.directvla.com.uy
Nuevo Siglo
Riselco S.A. www.nuevosiglo.com.uy
Venezuela
Direct TV www.directvla.com.ve
Intercable www.intercable.com.ve
NETUNO www.netuno.net
Supercable corp.supercable.com/venezuela/main.htm
Vietnam
HTV Choice Center www.htv.com.vn
Nacencomm
West Indies
Anguilla - CCCH Ltd.
Nevis - CCCH Ltd.
BVI Cable TV
=======================================
On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:27:05 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F Herrera
<ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>Fox News is not even available in most
>cable outlets outside the USA. Here in Venezuela, only one cable
>company carries it.
Oops! The taco-sniffing turd-colored Lawn Boy has been caught LYING,
again:
FOX News Channel Provider List by Country
Provider Contact Info
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,184837,00.html
Venezuela
Direct TV www.directvla.com.ve
Intercable www.intercable.com.ve
NETUNO www.netuno.net
Supercable corp.supercable.com/venezuela/main.htm
====================================
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Posted from:
The DemocRATs Hall of Shame!
http://www.democrathallofshame.com/
V. Elliot
Nov 20, 2012, 7:40:37 PM11/20/12
to
Lora D. (previously posted as "Uno Hu," currently posting as "Jay
Herblock") is a complete crackpot. Believes 9/11 was an inside job,
has seen UFOs and black helicopters and is on a first-name basis with
ass-probing space aliens... She is also an admitted Communist:
"Actually, its time to club repooplicon billionaires on the head and
take their stolen profits and give them back to the general
population."
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012
Message-ID:
<d6f2ba9a-8ee2-4e71...@u9g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>
From: Jay Herblock <jayhe...@gmail.com>
Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you encourage them to
continue lying.
On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:02:30 -0700 (PDT), Jay Herblock
<jayhe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Just great.. repooplicon crooks can now funnel money into elections
>without any controls at all.
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why are you so fucking stupid???????????????
"Tax-exempt groups were pioneered as a powerful campaign tool almost a
decade ago by Democrats..."
U.S. court says tax-exempt groups can keep donors secret
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSBRE88H0TB20120918
You're so fucking stupid you can't even read a simple
article!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Herblock") is a complete crackpot. Believes 9/11 was an inside job,
has seen UFOs and black helicopters and is on a first-name basis with
ass-probing space aliens... She is also an admitted Communist:
"Actually, its time to club repooplicon billionaires on the head and
take their stolen profits and give them back to the general
population."
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012
Message-ID:
<d6f2ba9a-8ee2-4e71...@u9g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>
From: Jay Herblock <jayhe...@gmail.com>
Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you encourage them to
continue lying.
[][][][][][]
The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"
[Courtesy of Buster Norris]
The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"
On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:02:30 -0700 (PDT), Jay Herblock
<jayhe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Just great.. repooplicon crooks can now funnel money into elections
>without any controls at all.
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why are you so fucking stupid???????????????
"Tax-exempt groups were pioneered as a powerful campaign tool almost a
decade ago by Democrats..."
U.S. court says tax-exempt groups can keep donors secret
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSBRE88H0TB20120918
You're so fucking stupid you can't even read a simple
article!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NotMe
Nov 21, 2012, 12:51:37 AM11/21/12
to
"Ron" <ronea...@att.net> wrote in message
news:4fbcb3b2-cbcc-4337...@c16g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
Much of that verbiage was used with the Toll Tag system. Surprise, surprise
toll tags can and have been used to track vehicles that are not anywhere
near a toll road.
"DOES NOT WORK OUTSIDE OF THE SCHOOL." until of course someone else sets up
a system to track the smart ID cards.
Ryanator
Nov 21, 2012, 2:35:26 AM11/21/12
to
Patriot Games
Nov 21, 2012, 2:39:27 AM11/21/12
to
They should take one of those tags and staple it to your asshole, numb
nuts.
nuts.
duke
Nov 21, 2012, 7:38:13 AM11/21/12
to
The dukester, American - American
********************************************
You can't fix stupid.
********************************************
duke
Nov 21, 2012, 7:40:13 AM11/21/12
to
enough class to reject having their vote bought by massa.
default
Nov 21, 2012, 9:21:14 AM11/21/12
to
On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 08:52:24 -0600, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com>
wrote:
>On 11/20/2012 08:34 AM, Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
>wrote:
>> On Nov 20, 8:30 am, default wrote:
>>> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:49:12 -0800 (PST), Tracey12
>>> one should be watching the adults....- Hide quoted text -
the battery idea too - if you need a battery to make it work 100% it
suggests some relatively long range RFID not just 30 feet.
and this has the students SS numbers for identification? Not the sort
of thing I'd want to broadcast.
"The controversial ID badge includes the photo and name of each
student, a barcode tied to the student's social security number, as
well as an RFID chip which pinpoints the exact location of the
individual student, including after hours and when the student leaves
campus."
only leaves the barcode, which I wouldn't find objectionable as long
as it isn't prominently displayed OR didn't contain anything like a SS
number, and leave the silly things in the school when one leaves.
It is also scary that more people didn't protest this or ask for chip
removal. But this is texas.... can't expect too much, when their
idea of freedom is a police state.
Big brother is interested no doubt, but this is probably fueled and
promoted by Big Brother's Corporate Paymasters.
"RFID tracking chip which will actively broadcast a signal at all
times."
Not a simple passive transponder RFID chip but a serious active
transmitter....
"School officials hope to expand the program to the district’s 112
schools, with a student population of 100,000. Although implementation
of the system will cost $500,000, school administrators are hoping
that if the school district is able to increase attendance by tracking
the students’ whereabouts, they will be rewarded with up to $1.7
million from the state government."
The real goal: 100,000 students, then everyone to protect against
terrorists, voter fraud and illegal aliens. Who can't see that
coming?
$500K to install it and 1.7 mil to pay for it? That's government
arithmetic.
wrote:
>On 11/20/2012 08:34 AM, Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
>> On Nov 20, 8:30 am, default wrote:
>>> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:49:12 -0800 (PST), Tracey12
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Student Expelled for Refusing Location Tracking RFID Badge
>>>
>>>> School makes good on threat of consequences for refusing to submit
>>>> to Mark of the Beast ID scheme
>>>
>>>> Aaron Dykes
>>>> Infowars.com
>>>> November 19, 2012
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Student Expelled for Refusing Location Tracking RFID Badge
>>>
>>>> School makes good on threat of consequences for refusing to submit
>>>> to Mark of the Beast ID scheme
>>>
>>>> Aaron Dykes
>>>> Infowars.com
>>>> November 19, 2012
>>>
>>>> After months of protesting a policy requiring high school students to
>>>> wear an RFID-enabled ID badge around their necks at all times, Andrea
>>>> Hernandez is being involuntarily withdrawn from John Jay High School
>>>> wear an RFID-enabled ID badge around their necks at all times, Andrea
>>>> Hernandez is being involuntarily withdrawn from John Jay High School
>>>> in San Antonio effective November 26th, according to a letter sent by
>>>> the district that has now been made public.
>>>
>>>> Letter from John Jay High School withdrawing Andrea Hernandez for not
>>>> submitting to the RFID tracking ID badges.The letter, sent on November
>>>> 13, informs her father that the Smart ID program, which was phased in
>>>> with the new school year, is now in full implementation and requires
>>>> all students to comply by wearing the location-tracking badges.
>>>
>>>> Since Andrea Hernandez has refused to wear the badge, she is being
>>>> withdrawn from the magnet school and her program at the Science and
>>>> Engineering Academy, and instead will have to attend William Howard
>>>> Taft HS, which is not currently involved in the ID scheme, unless she
>>>> changes her position.
>>>
>>>> FULL:
>>>> http://www.infowars.com/student-expelled-for-refusing-location-tracki...
>>>
>>>> the district that has now been made public.
>>>
>>>> Letter from John Jay High School withdrawing Andrea Hernandez for not
>>>> submitting to the RFID tracking ID badges.The letter, sent on November
>>>> 13, informs her father that the Smart ID program, which was phased in
>>>> with the new school year, is now in full implementation and requires
>>>> all students to comply by wearing the location-tracking badges.
>>>
>>>> Since Andrea Hernandez has refused to wear the badge, she is being
>>>> withdrawn from the magnet school and her program at the Science and
>>>> Engineering Academy, and instead will have to attend William Howard
>>>> Taft HS, which is not currently involved in the ID scheme, unless she
>>>> changes her position.
>>>
>>>> FULL:
>>>> http://www.infowars.com/student-expelled-for-refusing-location-tracki...
>>>
>>> So the majority of the student body is a mass of sniveling cowards?
>>>
>>> And this tracking device requires a battery? What is this a full
>>>
>>> fledged gps surveillance device with audio and video snooping?
>>>
>>> Is the faculty being tracked too? If one wanted to protect children,
>>>
>>> one should be watching the adults....- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> Trust me. It's not about "protecting" the children. If Big Brother can
>> slide this under our nose and not get shut down then whats next, RFID
>> tags for every citizen?
>
>> slide this under our nose and not get shut down then whats next, RFID
>> tags for every citizen?
>
>1. If all the school is trying to do is to keep track of the kids during
>the time they are in the school's care, I am not sure that this is a bad
>thing. It becomes a problem should the school try to require the ability
>to track the kids 24/7.
It is a very bad thing as far as precedence is concerned. I question
>the time they are in the school's care, I am not sure that this is a bad
>thing. It becomes a problem should the school try to require the ability
>to track the kids 24/7.
the battery idea too - if you need a battery to make it work 100% it
suggests some relatively long range RFID not just 30 feet.
and this has the students SS numbers for identification? Not the sort
of thing I'd want to broadcast.
"The controversial ID badge includes the photo and name of each
student, a barcode tied to the student's social security number, as
well as an RFID chip which pinpoints the exact location of the
individual student, including after hours and when the student leaves
campus."
>
>2. The day is coming when the government will require such things of its
>citizens. In my opinion, the only ting that has stopped them thus far is
>that most American would still reject such monitoring.
They did offer to remove the battery and take out the RFID chip- which
>2. The day is coming when the government will require such things of its
>citizens. In my opinion, the only ting that has stopped them thus far is
>that most American would still reject such monitoring.
only leaves the barcode, which I wouldn't find objectionable as long
as it isn't prominently displayed OR didn't contain anything like a SS
number, and leave the silly things in the school when one leaves.
It is also scary that more people didn't protest this or ask for chip
removal. But this is texas.... can't expect too much, when their
idea of freedom is a police state.
Big brother is interested no doubt, but this is probably fueled and
promoted by Big Brother's Corporate Paymasters.
"RFID tracking chip which will actively broadcast a signal at all
times."
Not a simple passive transponder RFID chip but a serious active
transmitter....
"School officials hope to expand the program to the district’s 112
schools, with a student population of 100,000. Although implementation
of the system will cost $500,000, school administrators are hoping
that if the school district is able to increase attendance by tracking
the students’ whereabouts, they will be rewarded with up to $1.7
million from the state government."
The real goal: 100,000 students, then everyone to protect against
terrorists, voter fraud and illegal aliens. Who can't see that
coming?
$500K to install it and 1.7 mil to pay for it? That's government
arithmetic.
default
Nov 21, 2012, 9:23:48 AM11/21/12
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using a cup of water to absorb some energy and try not to cook it
visibly.
wy
Nov 21, 2012, 9:39:42 AM11/21/12
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you can keep the stupid Texans.
NoBody
Nov 21, 2012, 9:45:23 AM11/21/12
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On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 07:53:37 -0800 (PST), wy <w...@myself.com> wrote:
>On Nov 20, 9:52 am, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote:
>> On 11/20/2012 08:34 AM, Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
>> >> one should be watching the adults....- Hide quoted text -
>students. For what reason? To see if they're in school?
You do understand that many employers now track their employees via
GPS. What is the difference here?
>On Nov 20, 9:52 am, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote:
>> On 11/20/2012 08:34 AM, Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Nov 20, 8:30 am, default wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:49:12 -0800 (PST), Tracey12
>>
>> >> <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>> Student Expelled for Refusing Location Tracking RFID Badge
>>
>> >>> School makes good on threat of consequences for refusing to submit
>> >>> to Mark of the Beast ID scheme
>>
>> >>> Aaron Dykes
>> >>> Infowars.com
>> >>> November 19, 2012
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Nov 20, 8:30 am, default wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:49:12 -0800 (PST), Tracey12
>>
>> >> <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>> Student Expelled for Refusing Location Tracking RFID Badge
>>
>> >>> School makes good on threat of consequences for refusing to submit
>> >>> to Mark of the Beast ID scheme
>>
>> >>> Aaron Dykes
>> >>> Infowars.com
>> >>> November 19, 2012
>>
>> >>> After months of protesting a policy requiring high school students to
>> >>> wear an RFID-enabled ID badge around their necks at all times, Andrea
>> >>> Hernandez is being involuntarily withdrawn from John Jay High School
>> >>> wear an RFID-enabled ID badge around their necks at all times, Andrea
>> >>> Hernandez is being involuntarily withdrawn from John Jay High School
>> >>> in San Antonio effective November 26th, according to a letter sent by
>> >>> the district that has now been made public.
>>
>> >>> Letter from John Jay High School withdrawing Andrea Hernandez for not
>> >>> submitting to the RFID tracking ID badges.The letter, sent on November
>> >>> 13, informs her father that the Smart ID program, which was phased in
>> >>> with the new school year, is now in full implementation and requires
>> >>> all students to comply by wearing the location-tracking badges.
>>
>> >>> Since Andrea Hernandez has refused to wear the badge, she is being
>> >>> withdrawn from the magnet school and her program at the Science and
>> >>> Engineering Academy, and instead will have to attend William Howard
>> >>> Taft HS, which is not currently involved in the ID scheme, unless she
>> >>> changes her position.
>>
>> >>> FULL:
>> >>>http://www.infowars.com/student-expelled-for-refusing-location-tracki...
>>
>> >> So the majority of the student body is a mass of sniveling cowards?
>>
>> >> And this tracking device requires a battery? What is this a full
>> >>> the district that has now been made public.
>>
>> >>> Letter from John Jay High School withdrawing Andrea Hernandez for not
>> >>> submitting to the RFID tracking ID badges.The letter, sent on November
>> >>> 13, informs her father that the Smart ID program, which was phased in
>> >>> with the new school year, is now in full implementation and requires
>> >>> all students to comply by wearing the location-tracking badges.
>>
>> >>> Since Andrea Hernandez has refused to wear the badge, she is being
>> >>> withdrawn from the magnet school and her program at the Science and
>> >>> Engineering Academy, and instead will have to attend William Howard
>> >>> Taft HS, which is not currently involved in the ID scheme, unless she
>> >>> changes her position.
>>
>> >>> FULL:
>> >>>http://www.infowars.com/student-expelled-for-refusing-location-tracki...
>>
>> >> So the majority of the student body is a mass of sniveling cowards?
>>
>> >> fledged gps surveillance device with audio and video snooping?
>>
>> >> Is the faculty being tracked too? If one wanted to protect children,
>>
>> >> one should be watching the adults....- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> > Trust me. It's not about "protecting" the children. If Big Brother can
>> > slide this under our nose and not get shut down then whats next, RFID
>> > tags for every citizen?
>>
>> > slide this under our nose and not get shut down then whats next, RFID
>> > tags for every citizen?
>>
>> 1. If all the school is trying to do is to keep track of the kids during
>> the time they are in the school's care, I am not sure that this is a bad
>> thing. It becomes a problem should the school try to require the ability
>> to track the kids 24/7.
>
>It is a bad thing since it serves no real purpose other than to track
>> the time they are in the school's care, I am not sure that this is a bad
>> thing. It becomes a problem should the school try to require the ability
>> to track the kids 24/7.
>
>students. For what reason? To see if they're in school?
You do understand that many employers now track their employees via
GPS. What is the difference here?
David Hartung
Nov 21, 2012, 9:59:47 AM11/21/12
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> they're not, then what? Is it worth the half-million dollars the
> school district has spent on this RFID nonsense in just two buildings
> to see if kids are in school? And they want to cover the other 112
> schools in the district under this program for a cost of tens of
> millions of dollars? Only people in a southern state like Texas are
> this stupid.
>
> http://americanfreepress.net/?p=7385
Interesting that you do not oppose this on the grounds of liberty, but
on more pragmatic grounds.
I think these things are a wast of time, but I do not see a civil rights
issue here, at least no as long as the only place they are required is
in school. The school is legally responsible for the safety of the minor
children in its care. The way the courts work these days, a kid can skip
school, get hurt, the parents sue because the school did not prevent
their child from skipping, and the courts would rule in their favor. The
school is merely protecting itself.
Kids are smart, they will quickly find a away around this technology.
Should the school, or the local government require such IDs at all time,
then we have a civil rights issue.
jane
Nov 21, 2012, 10:11:59 AM11/21/12
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Wy has expressed not only a lack of concern for liberty, but also an
acceptance of authoritarianism many, many times.
> I think these things are a wast of time, but I do not see a civil rights
> issue here, at least no as long as the only place they are required is
> in school. The school is legally responsible for the safety of the minor
> children in its care. The way the courts work these days, a kid can skip
> school, get hurt, the parents sue because the school did not prevent
> their child from skipping, and the courts would rule in their favor. The
> school is merely protecting itself.
>
> Kids are smart, they will quickly find a away around this technology.
>
sheep; painted them: 1,2, & 4; and then let the the THREE sheep loose
on campus.
The students could wear their badges going into school and then cover
them with a faraday shield when they leave.
After they get bored playing the games, there is a very simple legal
solution that does not involve going to court. The school has
expressed that it is acceptable to wear a deactivated card upon
request. Every student should request a deactivated card.
wy
Nov 21, 2012, 10:29:39 AM11/21/12
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from those exercising stupidity.
wy
Nov 21, 2012, 10:35:17 AM11/21/12
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goverment to offer my services as a subject of the government
was.... Never. The last time they called me up to seek my services
as a subject of the government was.... Never. Sure, I get mail from
the government, but hey, so do you. Does that make you a subject of
the government too?
> Wy has expressed not only a lack of concern for liberty, but also an
> acceptance of authoritarianism many, many times.
I've said into meaning what she wants it to me rather than accepting
the fact of what it really means. Now watch her spend all afternoon
trying to dig up some obscure quote of mine from three months back and
then post it out of context in a lame attempt at struggling to prove
she's correct.
default
Nov 21, 2012, 10:58:27 AM11/21/12
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On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:45:23 -0500, NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>You do understand that many employers now track their employees via
>GPS. What is the difference here?
Someone else is doing it so it must be OK?
>
>You do understand that many employers now track their employees via
>GPS. What is the difference here?
Well for one, they make the tracking a condition for a "right" to an
education.
They intend to broadcast social security numbers?
How do you feel about getting your own RFID? To prevent voter fraud,
or child abuse, or illegal aliens, or to provide marketing info, or?
Doubtless someone will come up with some way to make it seem innocuous
and palatable. What then?
David Hartung
Nov 21, 2012, 11:00:45 AM11/21/12
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On 11/21/2012 09:58 AM, default wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:45:23 -0500, NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> You do understand that many employers now track their employees via
>> GPS. What is the difference here?
>
> Someone else is doing it so it must be OK?
>
> Well for one, they make the tracking a condition for a "right" to an
> education.
How so?
> On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:45:23 -0500, NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> You do understand that many employers now track their employees via
>> GPS. What is the difference here?
>
> Someone else is doing it so it must be OK?
>
> Well for one, they make the tracking a condition for a "right" to an
> education.
The girl's refusal to wear the badge simply means that she will go to
school somewhere else. Her right to get an education has not been infringed.
default
Nov 21, 2012, 11:21:56 AM11/21/12
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On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:59:47 -0600, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com>
wrote:
>Interesting that you do not oppose this on the grounds of liberty, but
>on more pragmatic grounds.
>
>I think these things are a wast of time, but I do not see a civil rights
>issue here, at least no as long as the only place they are required is
>in school. The school is legally responsible for the safety of the minor
>children in its care. The way the courts work these days, a kid can skip
>school, get hurt, the parents sue because the school did not prevent
>their child from skipping, and the courts would rule in their favor. The
>school is merely protecting itself.
>
>Kids are smart, they will quickly find a away around this technology.
>
>Should the school, or the local government require such IDs at all time,
>then we have a civil rights issue.
I think it is a matter of civil rights. I expect privacy, not 24/7
tracking. To make it a condition for a right to a government
guaranteed education is wrong too.
"The way the courts work these days, a kid can skip
school, get hurt, the parents sue because the school did not prevent
their child from skipping, and the courts would rule in their favor.
The school is merely protecting itself."
So, your justification is that courts will (or can or could or might)
shift responsibility for a child's behavior (who isn't in their
custody) to the school, is a reason to track all students? You don't
see a problem with that logic? Wrong + Wrong = Right oh yeah, what
was I thinking?
Kids are smart, etc.. So this is just another aspect of their
training? Kinda like "we don't trust you and need to keep tabs on
you" That's a good lesson, that works on so many levels to turn out
model citizens.
Then I'd wonder about the technology and what its capabilities and
requirements are. These batteries they mention are rechargeable? The
RFID field is strong enough to power these things, so they can
autonomously initiate phoning in to headquarters? Are they putting RF
transmitters all around the school to recharge batteries?
If this is to protect children, how does the electronics know that the
card actually belongs to the person wearing it?
Who pays for lost stolen or broken cards?
wrote:
>Interesting that you do not oppose this on the grounds of liberty, but
>on more pragmatic grounds.
>
>I think these things are a wast of time, but I do not see a civil rights
>issue here, at least no as long as the only place they are required is
>in school. The school is legally responsible for the safety of the minor
>children in its care. The way the courts work these days, a kid can skip
>school, get hurt, the parents sue because the school did not prevent
>their child from skipping, and the courts would rule in their favor. The
>school is merely protecting itself.
>
>Kids are smart, they will quickly find a away around this technology.
>
>Should the school, or the local government require such IDs at all time,
>then we have a civil rights issue.
tracking. To make it a condition for a right to a government
guaranteed education is wrong too.
"The way the courts work these days, a kid can skip
school, get hurt, the parents sue because the school did not prevent
their child from skipping, and the courts would rule in their favor.
The school is merely protecting itself."
shift responsibility for a child's behavior (who isn't in their
custody) to the school, is a reason to track all students? You don't
see a problem with that logic? Wrong + Wrong = Right oh yeah, what
was I thinking?
Kids are smart, etc.. So this is just another aspect of their
training? Kinda like "we don't trust you and need to keep tabs on
you" That's a good lesson, that works on so many levels to turn out
model citizens.
Then I'd wonder about the technology and what its capabilities and
requirements are. These batteries they mention are rechargeable? The
RFID field is strong enough to power these things, so they can
autonomously initiate phoning in to headquarters? Are they putting RF
transmitters all around the school to recharge batteries?
If this is to protect children, how does the electronics know that the
card actually belongs to the person wearing it?
Who pays for lost stolen or broken cards?
default
Nov 21, 2012, 11:32:17 AM11/21/12
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On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 10:00:45 -0600, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com>
wrote:
This is the pilot program for the State of Texas.
The carrot and the stick - she's qualified for the special school,
but to go there, she has conditions.
And reading the entire article, they start with a "magnet" school, if
the medicine goes down there it will go down state wide. And the
father is expected to not speak out against the idea if he will agree
to let it slide minus the RFID and battery? He's expected to give up
another freedom: speech.
This smacks of the evil in big brother.
wrote:
The carrot and the stick - she's qualified for the special school,
but to go there, she has conditions.
And reading the entire article, they start with a "magnet" school, if
the medicine goes down there it will go down state wide. And the
father is expected to not speak out against the idea if he will agree
to let it slide minus the RFID and battery? He's expected to give up
another freedom: speech.
This smacks of the evil in big brother.
David Hartung
Nov 21, 2012, 11:44:00 AM11/21/12
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not mean a right to be educated on the state's nickel. If the girl does
not wish to abide by the school's rules, then she is free to seek
education elsewhere.
By the way is there not also a statement in that article that these
badges do not track anyone outside of the school? Would this not mean
that there is no invasion of privacy? There are serious civil rights
issues at stake in our nation, issues such as the Federal government
telling me that I may, or may not use a ticket I bought to fly on a
privately owned airplane.
I do agree, however that the girl in question has a valid first
amendment issue. She obviously believes that this badge would place upon
her the "mark of the beast"(Rev. 13:16-18). Requiring her to wear the
badge would violate her constitutionally guaranteed right to freely
exercise her faith. On this issue, I believe that the school must acquiesce.
David Hartung
Nov 21, 2012, 11:45:43 AM11/21/12
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On 11/21/2012 10:21 AM, default wrote:
> If this is to protect children, how does the electronics know that the
> card actually belongs to the person wearing it?
As I said, I believe tis to be a bad idea, just not for the same reasons
> If this is to protect children, how does the electronics know that the
> card actually belongs to the person wearing it?
you do.
wy
Nov 21, 2012, 12:08:26 PM11/21/12
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On Nov 21, 11:44 am, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote:
> On 11/21/2012 10:32 AM, default wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 10:00:45 -0600, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >> On 11/21/2012 09:58 AM, default wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:45:23 -0500, NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> You do understand that many employers now track their employees via
> >>>> GPS. What is the difference here?
>
> >>> Someone else is doing it so it must be OK?
>
> >>> Well for one, they make the tracking a condition for a "right" to an
> >>> education.
>
> >> How so?
>
> >> The girl's refusal to wear the badge simply means that she will go to
> >> school somewhere else. Her right to get an education has not been infringed.
>
> > This is the pilot program for the State of Texas.
>
> > The carrot and the stick - she's qualified for the special school,
> > but to go there, she has conditions.
>
> > And reading the entire article, they start with a "magnet" school, if
> > the medicine goes down there it will go down state wide. And the
> > father is expected to not speak out against the idea if he will agree
> > to let it slide minus the RFID and battery? He's expected to give up
> > another freedom: speech.
>
> The the kids can go to a private school.
Wow. You're just way too simplistic a thinker, aren't you? The kids
> On 11/21/2012 10:32 AM, default wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 10:00:45 -0600, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >> On 11/21/2012 09:58 AM, default wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:45:23 -0500, NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> You do understand that many employers now track their employees via
> >>>> GPS. What is the difference here?
>
> >>> Someone else is doing it so it must be OK?
>
> >>> Well for one, they make the tracking a condition for a "right" to an
> >>> education.
>
> >> How so?
>
> >> The girl's refusal to wear the badge simply means that she will go to
> >> school somewhere else. Her right to get an education has not been infringed.
>
> > This is the pilot program for the State of Texas.
>
> > The carrot and the stick - she's qualified for the special school,
> > but to go there, she has conditions.
>
> > And reading the entire article, they start with a "magnet" school, if
> > the medicine goes down there it will go down state wide. And the
> > father is expected to not speak out against the idea if he will agree
> > to let it slide minus the RFID and battery? He's expected to give up
> > another freedom: speech.
>
> The the kids can go to a private school.
can go to a private school. Sure. They can actually do it tomorrow
or this afternoon. So long as daddy can cough up $10K or $20K to pay
for just the first year's tuition. Got a spare $10K or $20K to send
your kid to private school tomorrow? No? Oops. I guess then the
kids *can't* go to a private school. There's a reason why public
schools exist for most people, you know.
> The right to an education does
> not mean a right to be educated on the state's nickel. If the girl does
> not wish to abide by the school's rules, then she is free to seek
> education elsewhere.
the cheapest for most families, private is not an option for most
families and likely neither is home schooling. If she refuses one for
legitimate enough reasons and is refused to be accepted elsewhere for
whatever other reasons and home schooling is impractical if not
unaffordable, where does that leave the kid?
>
> By the way is there not also a statement in that article that these
> badges do not track anyone outside of the school? Would this not mean
> that there is no invasion of privacy? There are serious civil rights
> issues at stake in our nation, issues such as the Federal government
> telling me that I may, or may not use a ticket I bought to fly on a
> privately owned airplane.
>
> I do agree, however that the girl in question has a valid first
> amendment issue. She obviously believes that this badge would place upon
> her the "mark of the beast"(Rev. 13:16-18). Requiring her to wear the
> badge would violate her constitutionally guaranteed right to freely
> exercise her faith. On this issue, I believe that the school must acquiesce.
for the school district, that's all that needs to be said about it.
David Hartung
Nov 21, 2012, 12:20:12 PM11/21/12
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family does nto wish to send the kid to a private school, then she needs
to follow the rules. The issue here is not a right to an education.
>> The right to an education does
>> not mean a right to be educated on the state's nickel. If the girl does
>> not wish to abide by the school's rules, then she is free to seek
>> education elsewhere.
>
> She only has 3 options: public, private or home schooling. Public is
> the cheapest for most families, private is not an option for most
> families and likely neither is home schooling. If she refuses one for
> legitimate enough reasons and is refused to be accepted elsewhere for
> whatever other reasons and home schooling is impractical if not
> unaffordable, where does that leave the kid?
>
>>
>> By the way is there not also a statement in that article that these
>> badges do not track anyone outside of the school? Would this not mean
>> that there is no invasion of privacy? There are serious civil rights
>> issues at stake in our nation, issues such as the Federal government
>> telling me that I may, or may not use a ticket I bought to fly on a
>> privately owned airplane.
>>
>> I do agree, however that the girl in question has a valid first
>> amendment issue. She obviously believes that this badge would place upon
>> her the "mark of the beast"(Rev. 13:16-18). Requiring her to wear the
>> badge would violate her constitutionally guaranteed right to freely
>> exercise her faith. On this issue, I believe that the school must acquiesce.
>
> No need to bring religion into it. It's just a stupid waste of money
> for the school district, that's all that needs to be said about it.
it or not, religion is a part of the issue, in fact you might say that
it is the issue.
wy
Nov 21, 2012, 12:33:28 PM11/21/12
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school's letter to the family in which the school offered to keep her
in school even with the battery and chip removed from the RFID badge.
In that case, the kid has no real complaint to make other than some
science fiction religion one that is proof of no violation of anything
whatsoever, including her religious beliefs. For her to make a
legitimate case in that sense, she'd have to give up anything
numerical that is associated with her - her address, her cell phone
number, her internet IP, her driver's license, her social security
number ... but somehow all of those tracking numbers are perfectly
fine with her. So it's a slam-dunk. She has no case. She should
return to school and wear the badge with, as offered by the school,
the battery and chip removed.
Ron
Nov 21, 2012, 12:44:25 PM11/21/12
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On Nov 20, 11:53 pm, "NotMe" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> "Ron" <roneal1...@att.net> wrote in message
> http://www.nisd.net/studentlocator/sites/nisd.net.studentlocator/file...
> "Ron" <roneal1...@att.net> wrote in message
>
> In which we read (WITH MY CAPS)
>
> "Once again, we are looking at technology as a means for increasing
> the safety and security of our students at Jay. During the 2012-2013
> school year, the District will be piloting software that will help us
> immediately locate students WHILE THEY ARE IN THE SCHOOL BUILDING.
> This Student Locator Project will be piloted at Jay High School, Jay
> Science & Engineering Academy and at Jones Middle School and be fully
> operational by the end of September."
>
> and
>
> "We want to assure you that the "smart" ID cards store no personal
> information, and the "smart" ID card DOES NOT WORK OUTSIDE OF THE
> SCHOOL."
>
> {{
>
> Much of that verbiage was used with the Toll Tag system. Surprise, surprise
> toll tags can and have been used to track vehicles that are not anywhere
> near a toll road.
>
> "DOES NOT WORK OUTSIDE OF THE SCHOOL." until of course someone else sets up
> a system to track the smart ID cards.
".....toll tags can and have been used to track vehicles that are not
> In which we read (WITH MY CAPS)
>
> "Once again, we are looking at technology as a means for increasing
> the safety and security of our students at Jay. During the 2012-2013
> school year, the District will be piloting software that will help us
> immediately locate students WHILE THEY ARE IN THE SCHOOL BUILDING.
> This Student Locator Project will be piloted at Jay High School, Jay
> Science & Engineering Academy and at Jones Middle School and be fully
> operational by the end of September."
>
> and
>
> "We want to assure you that the "smart" ID cards store no personal
> information, and the "smart" ID card DOES NOT WORK OUTSIDE OF THE
> SCHOOL."
>
> {{
>
> Much of that verbiage was used with the Toll Tag system. Surprise, surprise
> toll tags can and have been used to track vehicles that are not anywhere
> near a toll road.
>
> "DOES NOT WORK OUTSIDE OF THE SCHOOL." until of course someone else sets up
> a system to track the smart ID cards.
anywhere near a toll road."
Cite?
jane
Nov 21, 2012, 1:16:11 PM11/21/12
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stated, " part of the accommodation my daughter and I would have to
agree to stop criticizing the program and publicly support" That part
is not acceptable.
The part that IS interesting is that the school has stated that it
allows noncompliance with the RFID. By offering that term, the school
can not deny the same conditions to ALL of the other students.
The father has an ace in his pocket on this. He could agree not to
publicly criticize the program if the school publicly stated that the
RFID portion is optional and that ANY student could have its RFID
disabled.
47% sent the Mexican Polygamist home
Nov 21, 2012, 1:51:43 PM11/21/12
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On Tuesday, November 20, 2012 12:49:17 AM UTC-6, Tracey12 wrote:
> Student Expelled for Refusing Location Tracking RFID Badge
>
>
>
This was sponsored by DICK PERRY and his crony business
> Student Expelled for Refusing Location Tracking RFID Badge
>
>
>
friends who are raping tax payers and laughing all the
way to the bank.
Republicans hate America .
default
Nov 21, 2012, 3:02:33 PM11/21/12
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On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 10:44:00 -0600, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com>
Actually it does mean a universal right to be educated at the state's
expense, the option is to pay for a private education.
unintended consequences.
"The controversial ID badge includes the photo and name of each
student, a barcode tied to the student's social security number, as
well as an RFID chip which pinpoints the exact location of the
individual student, including after hours and when the student leaves
campus."
The fact that a battery is involved (unless the media got it wrong)
means this is no simple transponder RFID, With a battery the device
has the energy necessary to initiate communications - not just reply
when it is interrogated by a nearby scanner.
>
>I do agree, however that the girl in question has a valid first
>amendment issue. She obviously believes that this badge would place upon
>her the "mark of the beast"(Rev. 13:16-18). Requiring her to wear the
>badge would violate her constitutionally guaranteed right to freely
>exercise her faith. On this issue, I believe that the school must acquiesce.
>
When it comes to religion, I'd definitely not allow her rejection of
RFID on that basis!
Religion knows no bounds when it comes to the stupidity that can
become part of law.
You'd agree with her religious objection? BUT:
How do you feel about city zoning restrictions allowing minarets and
calls to prayer? Ganja anyone? Polygamy? Slavery? Ritual
clitorectomy? "Honor" killings?
Scientologists, Mooneys, Watchtower loonies - has a nice ring doesn't
it? Pass the Koolaid, I got a comet I need to catch.
You can't just allow the white bread protestants a free reign without
allowing all the other cults to have equal representation.
There was this Jewish Sect I remember reading about out in California.
Their religion forbade working on the Sabbath or even being outdoors
on the Sabbath. They wanted permission to erect covered walkways on
sidewalks and crossing streets figuring that they'd be free to move
around while keeping to the letter of religious law. Now as a
sun-worshiper wouldn't that abrogate my own religious rights?
expense, the option is to pay for a private education.
>
>By the way is there not also a statement in that article that these
>badges do not track anyone outside of the school? Would this not mean
>that there is no invasion of privacy? There are serious civil rights
>issues at stake in our nation, issues such as the Federal government
>telling me that I may, or may not use a ticket I bought to fly on a
>privately owned airplane.
Agreed. The government is good for simplistic solutions with
>By the way is there not also a statement in that article that these
>badges do not track anyone outside of the school? Would this not mean
>that there is no invasion of privacy? There are serious civil rights
>issues at stake in our nation, issues such as the Federal government
>telling me that I may, or may not use a ticket I bought to fly on a
>privately owned airplane.
unintended consequences.
"The controversial ID badge includes the photo and name of each
student, a barcode tied to the student's social security number, as
well as an RFID chip which pinpoints the exact location of the
individual student, including after hours and when the student leaves
campus."
means this is no simple transponder RFID, With a battery the device
has the energy necessary to initiate communications - not just reply
when it is interrogated by a nearby scanner.
>
>I do agree, however that the girl in question has a valid first
>amendment issue. She obviously believes that this badge would place upon
>her the "mark of the beast"(Rev. 13:16-18). Requiring her to wear the
>badge would violate her constitutionally guaranteed right to freely
>exercise her faith. On this issue, I believe that the school must acquiesce.
>
RFID on that basis!
Religion knows no bounds when it comes to the stupidity that can
become part of law.
You'd agree with her religious objection? BUT:
How do you feel about city zoning restrictions allowing minarets and
calls to prayer? Ganja anyone? Polygamy? Slavery? Ritual
clitorectomy? "Honor" killings?
Scientologists, Mooneys, Watchtower loonies - has a nice ring doesn't
it? Pass the Koolaid, I got a comet I need to catch.
You can't just allow the white bread protestants a free reign without
allowing all the other cults to have equal representation.
There was this Jewish Sect I remember reading about out in California.
Their religion forbade working on the Sabbath or even being outdoors
on the Sabbath. They wanted permission to erect covered walkways on
sidewalks and crossing streets figuring that they'd be free to move
around while keeping to the letter of religious law. Now as a
sun-worshiper wouldn't that abrogate my own religious rights?
default
Nov 21, 2012, 3:09:05 PM11/21/12
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On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 10:16:11 -0800 (PST), jane <jane....@gmail.com>
How refreshing. Someone gets it, and the ramifications implied.
Alan Ferris
Nov 21, 2012, 5:08:26 PM11/21/12
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On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:20:12 -0600, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote:
>>> I do agree, however that the girl in question has a valid first
>>> amendment issue. She obviously believes that this badge would place upon
>>> her the "mark of the beast"(Rev. 13:16-18). Requiring her to wear the
>>> badge would violate her constitutionally guaranteed right to freely
>>> exercise her faith. On this issue, I believe that the school must acquiesce.
>>
>> No need to bring religion into it. It's just a stupid waste of money
>> for the school district, that's all that needs to be said about it.
>
>Except that her religious beliefs are the cause of her objection. Like
>it or not, religion is a part of the issue, in fact you might say that
>it is the issue.
Then she needs to prove it is the mark of the beast. Especially as others have
>>> I do agree, however that the girl in question has a valid first
>>> amendment issue. She obviously believes that this badge would place upon
>>> her the "mark of the beast"(Rev. 13:16-18). Requiring her to wear the
>>> badge would violate her constitutionally guaranteed right to freely
>>> exercise her faith. On this issue, I believe that the school must acquiesce.
>>
>> No need to bring religion into it. It's just a stupid waste of money
>> for the school district, that's all that needs to be said about it.
>
>Except that her religious beliefs are the cause of her objection. Like
>it or not, religion is a part of the issue, in fact you might say that
>it is the issue.
already claimed the mark elsewhere.
--
Ferrit
()'.'.'()
( (T) )
( ) . ( )
(")_(")
David Hartung
Nov 21, 2012, 6:36:48 PM11/21/12
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free exercise of religion.
wy
Nov 21, 2012, 6:55:06 PM11/21/12
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religion is not mentioned in that crucial clause.
default
Nov 21, 2012, 7:25:51 PM11/21/12
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On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 17:36:48 -0600, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com>
wrote:
>Yet the US Constitution states that the government may not prohibit the
>free exercise of religion.
Yup. But that law was enacted to protect some mythical Pollyanna idea
of religion, not the kill or be killed types of cults we have.
I agree with the idea on a cerebral level at least. Practically, I
don't buy it. These aren't religions so much as they are ideological
political factions or nations. The major religions see killing and
dying as necessary (for the greater glory of god, of course), but
within each are sects that are also perfectly willing to kill and die
to promote their own form of delusion.
Every election in the US has to be some pissing contest about
religion. Enough already. It is not working as intended. It is
really about wealth control and power - not God.
You never addressed my own question - just how far are you willing to
go under the idea of religious freedom, when it isn't your religion?
Would a minaret and calls to prayer be OK? In theory at least, this
should be a religious right.
wrote:
>Yet the US Constitution states that the government may not prohibit the
>free exercise of religion.
of religion, not the kill or be killed types of cults we have.
I agree with the idea on a cerebral level at least. Practically, I
don't buy it. These aren't religions so much as they are ideological
political factions or nations. The major religions see killing and
dying as necessary (for the greater glory of god, of course), but
within each are sects that are also perfectly willing to kill and die
to promote their own form of delusion.
Every election in the US has to be some pissing contest about
religion. Enough already. It is not working as intended. It is
really about wealth control and power - not God.
You never addressed my own question - just how far are you willing to
go under the idea of religious freedom, when it isn't your religion?
Would a minaret and calls to prayer be OK? In theory at least, this
should be a religious right.
Steve
Nov 21, 2012, 7:28:11 PM11/21/12
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jane
Nov 21, 2012, 8:22:50 PM11/21/12
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Amendment in Canada, and his health club made him pay to exercise his
thereof.
Steve
Nov 21, 2012, 8:29:56 PM11/21/12
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On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 17:22:50 -0800 (PST), jane <jane....@gmail.com>
wrote:
wy is an old bottom feeding loser... he/she has pissed away all
his/her opportunities, both insofar as earning a living and in having
a social life. So now, the poor old frump lives alone in poverty.
When wy croaks, nobody will even bother writing an obituary.
wrote:
his/her opportunities, both insofar as earning a living and in having
a social life. So now, the poor old frump lives alone in poverty.
When wy croaks, nobody will even bother writing an obituary.
David Hartung
Nov 21, 2012, 9:38:25 PM11/21/12
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David Hartung
Nov 21, 2012, 9:52:35 PM11/21/12
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On 11/20/2012 12:49 AM, Tracey12 wrote:
>
>
> Student Expelled for Refusing Location Tracking RFID Badge
>
>
>
>
> Student Expelled for Refusing Location Tracking RFID Badge
>
>
> School makes good on threat of ‘consequences’ for refusing to submit
> to ‘Mark of the Beast’ ID scheme
>
> Aaron Dykes
> Infowars.com
> November 19, 2012
>
> After months of protesting a policy requiring high school students to
> wear an RFID-enabled ID badge around their necks at all times, Andrea
> Hernandez is being involuntarily withdrawn from John Jay High School
> in San Antonio effective November 26th, according to a letter sent by
> the district that has now been made public.
>
> Letter from John Jay High School withdrawing Andrea Hernandez for not
> submitting to the RFID tracking ID badges.The letter, sent on November
> 13, informs her father that the Smart ID program, which was phased in
> with the new school year, is now in “full implementation” and requires
> all students to comply by wearing the location-tracking badges.
>
> Since Andrea Hernandez has refused to wear the badge, she is being
> withdrawn from the magnet school and her program at the Science and
> Engineering Academy, and instead will have to attend William Howard
> Taft HS, which is not currently involved in the ID scheme, unless she
> changes her position.
>
>
> FULL:
> http://www.infowars.com/student-expelled-for-refusing-location-tracking-rfid-badge/
> to ‘Mark of the Beast’ ID scheme
>
> Aaron Dykes
> Infowars.com
> November 19, 2012
>
> After months of protesting a policy requiring high school students to
> wear an RFID-enabled ID badge around their necks at all times, Andrea
> Hernandez is being involuntarily withdrawn from John Jay High School
> in San Antonio effective November 26th, according to a letter sent by
> the district that has now been made public.
>
> Letter from John Jay High School withdrawing Andrea Hernandez for not
> submitting to the RFID tracking ID badges.The letter, sent on November
> 13, informs her father that the Smart ID program, which was phased in
> with the new school year, is now in “full implementation” and requires
> all students to comply by wearing the location-tracking badges.
>
> Since Andrea Hernandez has refused to wear the badge, she is being
> withdrawn from the magnet school and her program at the Science and
> Engineering Academy, and instead will have to attend William Howard
> Taft HS, which is not currently involved in the ID scheme, unless she
> changes her position.
>
>
> FULL:
http://tinyurl.com/bthzrpu
[...]
A district court judge for Bexar County, Texas, has granted a temporary
restraining order to prevent Northside Independent School District from
removing a Hernandez from John Jay High School’s Science and Engineering
Academy because she refused to wear a name badge designed to use a Radio
Frequency Identification (RFID) chip to track students’ precise location
on school property, the Hernandez’s attorneys announced today.
[...]
wy
Nov 21, 2012, 10:08:07 PM11/21/12
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see, it's all semantics.
wy
Nov 21, 2012, 10:12:20 PM11/21/12
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does it say "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"? Read it very
carefully now. You should be able to understand literal black-and-
white, yes or no language - you know, the very same kind of language
Repugnants love to use and abide by as being clear-cut, unmistakable
and indisputable. Of course except when it can be used against them
in ways they don't like - that is, in literal black-and-white, yes or
no language.
Sidney Giuseppe Napolitano
Nov 21, 2012, 7:36:43 PM11/21/12
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"DennisM" is a decidedly feminine poster, he/she/it is either a woman
or a homosexual man. When 'it' isn't lying, which is most of the time,
'it' is usually masturbating. Please note that when you reply to a
homosexual man they get all excited and when you reply to a Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.
[][][][][][]
The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"
[Courtesy of Buster Norris]
On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 22:29:10 -0500, Dennis M
<denn...@dennism3.invalid> wrote:
>Except the only documented cases of voter fraud this election cycle are
>by Republicans.
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Congressman's son resigns after voter fraud video
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57539706/congressmans-son-resigns-after-voter-fraud-video/
Voter fraud allegations sink Maryland Democrat's congressional bid
http://washingtonexaminer.com/voter-fraud-allegations-sink-maryland-democrats-congressional-bid/article/2507562
Democrat admits role in voter fraud case
http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Democrat-admits-role-in-voter-fraud-case-2142541.php
Posted from:
The DemocRATs Hall of Shame!
http://www.democrathallofshame.com/
or a homosexual man. When 'it' isn't lying, which is most of the time,
'it' is usually masturbating. Please note that when you reply to a
homosexual man they get all excited and when you reply to a Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.
[][][][][][]
The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"
[Courtesy of Buster Norris]
On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 22:29:10 -0500, Dennis M
<denn...@dennism3.invalid> wrote:
>Except the only documented cases of voter fraud this election cycle are
>by Republicans.
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Congressman's son resigns after voter fraud video
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57539706/congressmans-son-resigns-after-voter-fraud-video/
Voter fraud allegations sink Maryland Democrat's congressional bid
http://washingtonexaminer.com/voter-fraud-allegations-sink-maryland-democrats-congressional-bid/article/2507562
Democrat admits role in voter fraud case
http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Democrat-admits-role-in-voter-fraud-case-2142541.php
Posted from:
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Mitchell Holman
Nov 21, 2012, 11:01:46 PM11/21/12
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David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote in
news:iemdnXewvMnuDjDN...@giganews.com:
From your own cite:
"The school had reportedly offered to allow Hernandez
to wear a non-functional badge, giving the appearance
of support for the program, but she declined."
news:iemdnXewvMnuDjDN...@giganews.com:
"The school had reportedly offered to allow Hernandez
to wear a non-functional badge, giving the appearance
of support for the program, but she declined."
Capt. Justice
Nov 21, 2012, 11:05:56 PM11/21/12
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Petraeus Set Up By Israel .
.
November 20, 2012 AFP .
.
Familiar faces, institutions connected to woman who brought down CIA
chief
http://americanfreepress.net/?p=7373
.
By Ralph Forbes .
The establishment media tells a tangled tale about the scandal that
forced the resignation of David H. Petraeus as Central Intelligence
Agency (CIA) director. However, there are important details that shed
new light on the matter compared to what the mainstream media has been
reporting.
.
Many believe the scandal was a set-up designed to bring down the general
precisely because he was a highly-placed figure standing in opposition
to the push by Israel's current rulers to engage the United States in a
war against Iran.
.
Although previously a favorite of neoconservative supporters of Israel,
Petraeus ended up on Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's
"destroy" list after the general testified before Congress on March 16,
2010, that U.S. interests and Israeli interests are not identical;
Israel is a strategic burden, not an asset, to the United States; and
Israeli policies endanger the lives of our troops.
.
The reaction to the candid remarks by Petraeus provides a revealing list
of his critics. House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.)-a personal
friend of Netanyahu and a leading supporter of Israel- was
outraged. Foreign Policy, a magazine of the Foreign Policy Association,
whined that Petraeus was 'hardening' U.S. policy toward Israel. Abe
Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League, issued a
statement condemning Petraeus.
.
The web that entangled Petraeus also features a similar cast of
interconnected individuals and institutions. When Petraeus took command
of the troops in Iraq, the Jebsen Center for Counter-Terrorism at Tufts
University-
"an incubator for counter-terrorist strategies" was cooperating closely
with pro-Israeli policy groups such as the Hudson Institute, the
American Israel Public Affairs Committee and the Project for the New
American Century.
.
The -other womanâ- in the Petraeus affairâ-"Paula Broadwell (ne
Kranz) just happens to have been deputy director of Jebsen. A West Point
graduate, Mrs. Broadwell -a specialist in 'black ops- had participated
in a summer cadet exchange program in Israel and even lived in a
kibbutz.
.
Notorious for his interest in younger women, Petraeus was a perfect
target for a "honeypot" operation. Broadwell insinuated herself into the
general's world by writing a bragging account of his extremely
successful career.
.
The scandal-it seems-was supposed to
be unveiled before the election, perhaps intended to prevent President
Barack Obama's reelection, but backstage maneuvering prevented that
from happening. However, the result has been that high-level opposition
in Washington to Israel's agenda has certainly been crippled with
Petraeus's ouster.
.
Ralph Forbes is a freelance writer based in Arkansas. He is also a
member of AFP's Southern Bureau. Contact him at rfo...@centurytel.net
.
November 20, 2012 AFP .
.
Familiar faces, institutions connected to woman who brought down CIA
chief
http://americanfreepress.net/?p=7373
.
By Ralph Forbes .
The establishment media tells a tangled tale about the scandal that
forced the resignation of David H. Petraeus as Central Intelligence
Agency (CIA) director. However, there are important details that shed
new light on the matter compared to what the mainstream media has been
reporting.
.
Many believe the scandal was a set-up designed to bring down the general
precisely because he was a highly-placed figure standing in opposition
to the push by Israel's current rulers to engage the United States in a
war against Iran.
.
Although previously a favorite of neoconservative supporters of Israel,
Petraeus ended up on Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's
"destroy" list after the general testified before Congress on March 16,
2010, that U.S. interests and Israeli interests are not identical;
Israel is a strategic burden, not an asset, to the United States; and
Israeli policies endanger the lives of our troops.
.
The reaction to the candid remarks by Petraeus provides a revealing list
of his critics. House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.)-a personal
friend of Netanyahu and a leading supporter of Israel- was
outraged. Foreign Policy, a magazine of the Foreign Policy Association,
whined that Petraeus was 'hardening' U.S. policy toward Israel. Abe
Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League, issued a
statement condemning Petraeus.
.
The web that entangled Petraeus also features a similar cast of
interconnected individuals and institutions. When Petraeus took command
of the troops in Iraq, the Jebsen Center for Counter-Terrorism at Tufts
University-
"an incubator for counter-terrorist strategies" was cooperating closely
with pro-Israeli policy groups such as the Hudson Institute, the
American Israel Public Affairs Committee and the Project for the New
American Century.
.
The -other womanâ- in the Petraeus affairâ-"Paula Broadwell (ne
Kranz) just happens to have been deputy director of Jebsen. A West Point
graduate, Mrs. Broadwell -a specialist in 'black ops- had participated
in a summer cadet exchange program in Israel and even lived in a
kibbutz.
.
Notorious for his interest in younger women, Petraeus was a perfect
target for a "honeypot" operation. Broadwell insinuated herself into the
general's world by writing a bragging account of his extremely
successful career.
.
The scandal-it seems-was supposed to
be unveiled before the election, perhaps intended to prevent President
Barack Obama's reelection, but backstage maneuvering prevented that
from happening. However, the result has been that high-level opposition
in Washington to Israel's agenda has certainly been crippled with
Petraeus's ouster.
.
Ralph Forbes is a freelance writer based in Arkansas. He is also a
member of AFP's Southern Bureau. Contact him at rfo...@centurytel.net
B Jacques
Nov 21, 2012, 8:13:28 PM11/21/12
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Mitchel is a far-left liar, but usually runs away after a few days of
being slapped around. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
<Noe...@comcast.com> wrote:
> How very different from convicted criminal George Bush
Liar.
Bush acknowledges 1976 DUI charge.
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/11/02/bush.dui/
Bush was arrested, fined, paid the fine. No court, no trial, no
conviction.
>expressing "sorrow" at the verdict against fellow convicted
>criminal Scooter Libby. Following which he commuted Libby's
>sentence...
Liar.
Bush commutes Libby's PRISON sentence.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/07/02/libby.sentence/index.html
"A conviction remains on Scooter Libby's record, and he must still pay
a "250,000 fine."
Why do YOU always LIE?
being slapped around. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.
[][][][][][]
The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"
On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 23:42:09 -0600, Mitchell Holman
[][][][][][]
The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"
<Noe...@comcast.com> wrote:
> How very different from convicted criminal George Bush
Liar.
Bush acknowledges 1976 DUI charge.
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/11/02/bush.dui/
Bush was arrested, fined, paid the fine. No court, no trial, no
conviction.
>expressing "sorrow" at the verdict against fellow convicted
>criminal Scooter Libby. Following which he commuted Libby's
>sentence...
Liar.
Bush commutes Libby's PRISON sentence.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/07/02/libby.sentence/index.html
"A conviction remains on Scooter Libby's record, and he must still pay
a "250,000 fine."
Why do YOU always LIE?
Capt. Justice
Nov 21, 2012, 11:07:17 PM11/21/12
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Steve
Nov 22, 2012, 5:50:58 AM11/22/12
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On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 20:38:25 -0600, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com>
As I understand it, in Canadian schools, in place of teaching English
Grammar, they have a course called How to be a Welfare Queen.
Grammar, they have a course called How to be a Welfare Queen.
jane
Nov 22, 2012, 7:06:11 AM11/22/12
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does your health club charge you to exercise it.
You had become tiresome, but playing with your ignorance has become
fun again.
Mike Smith
Nov 22, 2012, 7:36:32 AM11/22/12
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English language expressed therein.
(She will never understand that last phrase)
Mike Smith
NoBody
Nov 22, 2012, 9:52:06 AM11/22/12
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On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 10:58:27 -0500, default wrote:
>On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:45:23 -0500, NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>You do understand that many employers now track their employees via
>>GPS. What is the difference here?
>
>Someone else is doing it so it must be OK?
Did I say it was ok? I'm merely stating that this is already an
>On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:45:23 -0500, NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>You do understand that many employers now track their employees via
>>GPS. What is the difference here?
>
>Someone else is doing it so it must be OK?
accepted trend.
>
>Well for one, they make the tracking a condition for a "right" to an
>education.
>
>They intend to broadcast social security numbers?
That should be changed.
>
>How do you feel about getting your own RFID? To prevent voter fraud,
>or child abuse, or illegal aliens, or to provide marketing info, or?
>Doubtless someone will come up with some way to make it seem innocuous
>and palatable. What then?
Again, I never said it was ok. In fact I'm against it. I'm just
amused that many people have been tracked for some time without a peep
from those who now scream quite loudly.
NotMe
Nov 23, 2012, 1:29:52 PM11/23/12
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"duke" <duckg...@cox.net>
>>>>> After months of protesting a policy requiring high school students to
>>>>> wear an RFID-enabled ID badge around their necks at all times, Andrea
>>>>> Hernandez is being involuntarily withdrawn from John Jay High School
>>>
>>>
>>> Yep, kicked out of the magnet school.
>>>
>>
>>What I don't understand is why the students have not found a way to f***up
>>the system. It's RF not rocket science.
>
> Most don't want to, seeing it to their benefit to be observed on school
> grounds.
It only takes a few (in reality one is sufficient) to really, and legally,
screw up the system. And it's obvious that there is at least one that
objects.
NotMe
Nov 23, 2012, 2:11:45 PM11/23/12
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<default> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 15:01:42 -0600, "NotMe" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>".RLM...@teranews.com" <r...@somis.org> wrote in message
>>news:r-2011120...@10.0.1.3...
>>> In article
>>> <74e3819f-28ba-4730...@c16g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
>>> "Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E"
>>> <burto...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Nov 20, 8:30=A0am, default wrote:
>>>> > On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:49:12 -0800 (PST), Tracey12
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > >Student Expelled for Refusing Location Tracking RFID Badge
>>>> >
>>>> > >School makes good on threat of consequences for refusing to submit
>>>> > >to Mark of the Beast ID scheme
>>>> >
>>>> > >Aaron Dykes
>>>> > >Infowars.com
>>>> > >November 19, 2012
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > >Student Expelled for Refusing Location Tracking RFID Badge
>>>> >
>>>> > >School makes good on threat of consequences for refusing to submit
>>>> > >to Mark of the Beast ID scheme
>>>> >
>>>> > >Aaron Dykes
>>>> > >Infowars.com
>>>> > >November 19, 2012
>>>> >
>>>> > >After months of protesting a policy requiring high school students
>>>> > >to
>>>> > >wear an RFID-enabled ID badge around their necks at all times,
>>>> > >Andrea
>>>> > >Hernandez is being involuntarily withdrawn from John Jay High School
>>>> > >to
>>>> > >wear an RFID-enabled ID badge around their necks at all times,
>>>> > >Andrea
>>>> > >Hernandez is being involuntarily withdrawn from John Jay High School
>>>> > >in San Antonio effective November 26th, according to a letter sent
>>>> > >by
>>>> > >the district that has now been made public.
>>>> >
>>>> > >Letter from John Jay High School withdrawing Andrea Hernandez for
>>>> > >not
>>>> > >submitting to the RFID tracking ID badges.The letter, sent on
>>>> > >November
>>>> > >13, informs her father that the Smart ID program, which was phased
>>>> > >in
>>>> > >with the new school year, is now in full implementation and requires
>>>> > >all students to comply by wearing the location-tracking badges.
>>>> >
>>>> > >Since Andrea Hernandez has refused to wear the badge, she is being
>>>> > >withdrawn from the magnet school and her program at the Science and
>>>> > >Engineering Academy, and instead will have to attend William Howard
>>>> > >Taft HS, which is not currently involved in the ID scheme, unless
>>>> > >she
>>>> > >changes her position.
>>>> >
>>>> > >FULL:
>>>> > >http://www.infowars.com/student-expelled-for-refusing-location-tracki...
>>>> > >by
>>>> > >the district that has now been made public.
>>>> >
>>>> > >Letter from John Jay High School withdrawing Andrea Hernandez for
>>>> > >not
>>>> > >submitting to the RFID tracking ID badges.The letter, sent on
>>>> > >November
>>>> > >13, informs her father that the Smart ID program, which was phased
>>>> > >in
>>>> > >with the new school year, is now in full implementation and requires
>>>> > >all students to comply by wearing the location-tracking badges.
>>>> >
>>>> > >Since Andrea Hernandez has refused to wear the badge, she is being
>>>> > >withdrawn from the magnet school and her program at the Science and
>>>> > >Engineering Academy, and instead will have to attend William Howard
>>>> > >Taft HS, which is not currently involved in the ID scheme, unless
>>>> > >she
>>>> > >changes her position.
>>>> >
>>>> > >FULL:
>>>> >
>>>> > So the majority of the student body is a mass of sniveling cowards?
>>>> >
>>>> > And this tracking device requires a battery? =A0What is this a full
>>>> > fledged gps surveillance device with audio and video snooping?
>>>> >
>>>> > Is the faculty being tracked too? =A0If one wanted to protect
>>>> > children,
>>>> > one should be watching the adults....- Hide quoted text -
>>>> >
>>>> > - Show quoted text -
>>>>
>>>> Trust me. It's not about "protecting" the children. If Big Brother can
>>>> slide this under our nose and not get shut down then whats next, RFID
>>>> tags for every citizen?
>>>
>>> ?? Faraday shields are easy to build.
>>
>>Aluminum foil.
>>
>>Then the electrostatic plastic bags electronics (HDD) come in.
>>
>>Push come to shove they can buy those bags used by the toll roads to 'turn
>>off' the toll tags.
>>
>>Then a quick visit to your local microwave oven does wonders.
>>
>>
> I tried that- leaves a mess and lights it up. Next time I'll try
> using a cup of water to absorb some energy and try not to cook it
> visibly.
Slice a fair size potato and sandwich the tag between the halves. Works for
most uW but gets interesting with the really high power units.
NotMe
Nov 23, 2012, 2:13:07 PM11/23/12
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<default> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:45:23 -0500, NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>You do understand that many employers now track their employees via
>>GPS. What is the difference here?
>
> Someone else is doing it so it must be OK?
>
>
>>
>>You do understand that many employers now track their employees via
>>GPS. What is the difference here?
>
> Someone else is doing it so it must be OK?
>
> Well for one, they make the tracking a condition for a "right" to an
> education.
>
> education.
>
> They intend to broadcast social security numbers?
>
>
> How do you feel about getting your own RFID? To prevent voter fraud,
> or child abuse, or illegal aliens, or to provide marketing info, or?
> Doubtless someone will come up with some way to make it seem innocuous
> and palatable. What then?
It's called a 'cell phone' and is very easily tracked.
> or child abuse, or illegal aliens, or to provide marketing info, or?
> Doubtless someone will come up with some way to make it seem innocuous
> and palatable. What then?
NotMe
Nov 23, 2012, 2:14:56 PM11/23/12
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"David Hartung" <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote in message
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> On 11/21/2012 09:58 AM, default wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:45:23 -0500, NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> You do understand that many employers now track their employees via
>>> GPS. What is the difference here?
>>
>> Someone else is doing it so it must be OK?
>>
>> Well for one, they make the tracking a condition for a "right" to an
>> education.
>
>>
>>>
>>> You do understand that many employers now track their employees via
>>> GPS. What is the difference here?
>>
>> Someone else is doing it so it must be OK?
>>
>> Well for one, they make the tracking a condition for a "right" to an
>> education.
>
> How so?
>
> The girl's refusal to wear the badge simply means that she will go to
> school somewhere else. Her right to get an education has not been
> infringed.
It's a magnet school. Can't get a similar much less equal education
>
> The girl's refusal to wear the badge simply means that she will go to
> school somewhere else. Her right to get an education has not been
> infringed.
opportunities anywhere else.
Which brings up the question of the justification to 'improve attendance'.
Not may kids I know skip classes in a school they had to compete to gain
entrance.
NotMe
Nov 23, 2012, 2:18:35 PM11/23/12
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>
> By the way is there not also a statement in that article that these badges
> do not track anyone outside of the school? Would this not mean that there
> is no invasion of privacy? There are serious civil rights issues at stake
> in our nation, issues such as the Federal government telling me that I
> may, or may not use a ticket I bought to fly on a privately owned
> airplane.
That 'does not track' statement has been made by Toll Tags and more than a
few big internet companies. Read anything about warrentless searches of the
internet/emails lately? Then there are the statements and results of the
games played by the likes of FaceBook.
> On 11/21/2012 10:32 AM, default wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 10:00:45 -0600, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 10:00:45 -0600, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/21/2012 09:58 AM, default wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:45:23 -0500, NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You do understand that many employers now track their employees via
>>>>> GPS. What is the difference here?
>>>>
>>>> Someone else is doing it so it must be OK?
>>>>
>>>> Well for one, they make the tracking a condition for a "right" to an
>>>> education.
>>>
>>> How so?
>>>
>>> The girl's refusal to wear the badge simply means that she will go to
>>> school somewhere else. Her right to get an education has not been
>>> infringed.
>>
>>>> On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:45:23 -0500, NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You do understand that many employers now track their employees via
>>>>> GPS. What is the difference here?
>>>>
>>>> Someone else is doing it so it must be OK?
>>>>
>>>> Well for one, they make the tracking a condition for a "right" to an
>>>> education.
>>>
>>> How so?
>>>
>>> The girl's refusal to wear the badge simply means that she will go to
>>> school somewhere else. Her right to get an education has not been
>>> infringed.
>>
>> This is the pilot program for the State of Texas.
>>
>> The carrot and the stick - she's qualified for the special school,
>> but to go there, she has conditions.
>>
>> And reading the entire article, they start with a "magnet" school, if
>> the medicine goes down there it will go down state wide. And the
>> father is expected to not speak out against the idea if he will agree
>> to let it slide minus the RFID and battery? He's expected to give up
>> another freedom: speech.
>
> The the kids can go to a private school. The right to an education does
> not mean a right to be educated on the state's nickel. If the girl does
> not wish to abide by the school's rules, then she is free to seek
> education elsewhere.
To many it's a Constitutional issue.
>>
>> The carrot and the stick - she's qualified for the special school,
>> but to go there, she has conditions.
>>
>> And reading the entire article, they start with a "magnet" school, if
>> the medicine goes down there it will go down state wide. And the
>> father is expected to not speak out against the idea if he will agree
>> to let it slide minus the RFID and battery? He's expected to give up
>> another freedom: speech.
>
> The the kids can go to a private school. The right to an education does
> not mean a right to be educated on the state's nickel. If the girl does
> not wish to abide by the school's rules, then she is free to seek
> education elsewhere.
>
> By the way is there not also a statement in that article that these badges
> do not track anyone outside of the school? Would this not mean that there
> is no invasion of privacy? There are serious civil rights issues at stake
> in our nation, issues such as the Federal government telling me that I
> may, or may not use a ticket I bought to fly on a privately owned
> airplane.
few big internet companies. Read anything about warrentless searches of the
internet/emails lately? Then there are the statements and results of the
games played by the likes of FaceBook.
NotMe
Nov 23, 2012, 2:20:59 PM11/23/12
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"wy" <w...@myself.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 21, 11:44 am, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote:
> On 11/21/2012 10:32 AM, default wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 10:00:45 -0600, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >> On 11/21/2012 09:58 AM, default wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:45:23 -0500, NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> You do understand that many employers now track their employees via
> >>>> GPS. What is the difference here?
>
> >>> Someone else is doing it so it must be OK?
>
> >>> Well for one, they make the tracking a condition for a "right" to an
> >>> education.
>
> >> How so?
>
> >> The girl's refusal to wear the badge simply means that she will go to
> >> school somewhere else. Her right to get an education has not been
> >> infringed.
>
> > This is the pilot program for the State of Texas.
>
> > The carrot and the stick - she's qualified for the special school,
> > but to go there, she has conditions.
>
> > And reading the entire article, they start with a "magnet" school, if
> > the medicine goes down there it will go down state wide. And the
> > father is expected to not speak out against the idea if he will agree
> > to let it slide minus the RFID and battery? He's expected to give up
> > another freedom: speech.
>
> The the kids can go to a private school.
Wow. You're just way too simplistic a thinker, aren't you? The kids
> On 11/21/2012 10:32 AM, default wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 10:00:45 -0600, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >> On 11/21/2012 09:58 AM, default wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:45:23 -0500, NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> You do understand that many employers now track their employees via
> >>>> GPS. What is the difference here?
>
> >>> Someone else is doing it so it must be OK?
>
> >>> Well for one, they make the tracking a condition for a "right" to an
> >>> education.
>
> >> How so?
>
> >> The girl's refusal to wear the badge simply means that she will go to
> >> school somewhere else. Her right to get an education has not been
> >> infringed.
>
> > This is the pilot program for the State of Texas.
>
> > The carrot and the stick - she's qualified for the special school,
> > but to go there, she has conditions.
>
> > And reading the entire article, they start with a "magnet" school, if
> > the medicine goes down there it will go down state wide. And the
> > father is expected to not speak out against the idea if he will agree
> > to let it slide minus the RFID and battery? He's expected to give up
> > another freedom: speech.
>
> The the kids can go to a private school.
can go to a private school. Sure. They can actually do it tomorrow
or this afternoon. So long as daddy can cough up $10K or $20K to pay
for just the first year's tuition. Got a spare $10K or $20K to send
your kid to private school tomorrow? No? Oops. I guess then the
kids *can't* go to a private school. There's a reason why public
schools exist for most people, you know.
> The right to an education does
> not mean a right to be educated on the state's nickel. If the girl does
> not wish to abide by the school's rules, then she is free to seek
> education elsewhere.
the cheapest for most families, private is not an option for most
families and likely neither is home schooling. If she refuses one for
legitimate enough reasons and is refused to be accepted elsewhere for
whatever other reasons and home schooling is impractical if not
unaffordable, where does that leave the kid?
>
> By the way is there not also a statement in that article that these
> badges do not track anyone outside of the school? Would this not mean
> that there is no invasion of privacy? There are serious civil rights
> issues at stake in our nation, issues such as the Federal government
> telling me that I may, or may not use a ticket I bought to fly on a
> privately owned airplane.
>
> I do agree, however that the girl in question has a valid first
> amendment issue. She obviously believes that this badge would place upon
> her the "mark of the beast"(Rev. 13:16-18). Requiring her to wear the
> badge would violate her constitutionally guaranteed right to freely
> exercise her faith. On this issue, I believe that the school must
> acquiesce.
> amendment issue. She obviously believes that this badge would place upon
> her the "mark of the beast"(Rev. 13:16-18). Requiring her to wear the
> badge would violate her constitutionally guaranteed right to freely
> exercise her faith. On this issue, I believe that the school must
> acquiesce.
No need to bring religion into it. It's just a stupid waste of money
for the school district, that's all that needs to be said about it.
Waste of money for the school system and the state (who has cut the
for the school district, that's all that needs to be said about it.
education budget repeatedly and drastically of late)
Spend money to purportedly cut students skipping classes but not spend money
to improve class size and staffing.
Mike Painter
Nov 23, 2012, 3:30:44 PM11/23/12
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On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 13:11:45 -0600, "NotMe" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>Slice a fair size potato and sandwich the tag between the halves. Works for
>most uW but gets interesting with the really high power units.
Rather pointless if the reason for the tag is to track somebody.
>
>Slice a fair size potato and sandwich the tag between the halves. Works for
>most uW but gets interesting with the really high power units.
As soon as it disappears they will be looking for you.
Make a phony badge and have a friend wear yours would be one way.
Leave it in a classroom.
Hide it in a teachers pocket.
--
"When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion." ~ Robert Pirsig
Steve
Nov 23, 2012, 4:15:14 PM11/23/12
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phone.
NotMe
Nov 23, 2012, 6:12:50 PM11/23/12
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Regardless of what you've been told the devices can be tracked with
considerable ease and accuracy.
Steve
Nov 23, 2012, 7:15:00 PM11/23/12
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Mike Painter
Nov 23, 2012, 8:57:48 PM11/23/12
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On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 19:15:00 -0500, Steve <steven...@yahooooo.com>
wrote:
All modern cell phones include GPS chips and can be used for door to
door navigation without the need for towers.
The only reason a tower might be needed is to transmit the location of
the lat and long of the phone.
wrote:
door navigation without the need for towers.
The only reason a tower might be needed is to transmit the location of
the lat and long of the phone.
Steve
Nov 24, 2012, 7:37:29 AM11/24/12
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phone.
duke
Nov 24, 2012, 8:00:04 AM11/24/12
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The dukester, American - American
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You can't fix stupid.
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duke
Nov 24, 2012, 8:01:11 AM11/24/12
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On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 12:30:44 -0800, Mike Painter <mddotp...@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
>On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 13:11:45 -0600, "NotMe" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>Slice a fair size potato and sandwich the tag between the halves. Works for
>>most uW but gets interesting with the really high power units.
>
>Rather pointless if the reason for the tag is to track somebody.
>As soon as it disappears they will be looking for you.
>
>Make a phony badge and have a friend wear yours would be one way.
>Leave it in a classroom.
>Hide it in a teachers pocket.
Good reason to get expelled.
wrote:
>On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 13:11:45 -0600, "NotMe" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>Slice a fair size potato and sandwich the tag between the halves. Works for
>>most uW but gets interesting with the really high power units.
>
>Rather pointless if the reason for the tag is to track somebody.
>As soon as it disappears they will be looking for you.
>
>Make a phony badge and have a friend wear yours would be one way.
>Leave it in a classroom.
>Hide it in a teachers pocket.
jane
Nov 24, 2012, 8:24:04 AM11/24/12
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On Nov 24, 8:01 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 12:30:44 -0800, Mike Painter <mddotpain...@sbcglobal.net>
You probably also believe that people who have nothing to hide should
not mind government intrusion in your personal affairs.
> On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 12:30:44 -0800, Mike Painter <mddotpain...@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 13:11:45 -0600, "NotMe" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> >>Slice a fair size potato and sandwich the tag between the halves. Works for
> >>most uW but gets interesting with the really high power units.
>
> >Rather pointless if the reason for the tag is to track somebody.
> >As soon as it disappears they will be looking for you.
>
> >Make a phony badge and have a friend wear yours would be one way.
> >Leave it in a classroom.
> >Hide it in a teachers pocket.
>
> Good reason to get expelled.
You are a good little sheeple.
>
> >On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 13:11:45 -0600, "NotMe" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> >>Slice a fair size potato and sandwich the tag between the halves. Works for
> >>most uW but gets interesting with the really high power units.
>
> >Rather pointless if the reason for the tag is to track somebody.
> >As soon as it disappears they will be looking for you.
>
> >Make a phony badge and have a friend wear yours would be one way.
> >Leave it in a classroom.
> >Hide it in a teachers pocket.
>
> Good reason to get expelled.
You probably also believe that people who have nothing to hide should
not mind government intrusion in your personal affairs.
NotMe
Nov 24, 2012, 12:52:27 PM11/24/12
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"Steve" <
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You do understand that many employers now track their employees via
>>>>>>>>GPS. What is the difference here?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Someone else is doing it so it must be OK?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well for one, they make the tracking a condition for a "right" to an
>>>>>>> education.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They intend to broadcast social security numbers?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How do you feel about getting your own RFID? To prevent voter
>>>>>>> fraud,
>>>>>>> or child abuse, or illegal aliens, or to provide marketing info, or?
>>>>>>> Doubtless someone will come up with some way to make it seem
>>>>>>> innocuous
>>>>>>> and palatable. What then?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's called a 'cell phone' and is very easily tracked.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Only to the tower you are hooked up with if one knows how to set the
>>>>> phone.
>>>>
>>>>I was directly involved in the industy standards drafting process.
>>>>Regardless of what you've been told the devices can be tracked with
>>>>considerable ease and accuracy.
>>>
>>>
>>><LOL> You've been watching too much TV.
>>
>>All modern cell phones include GPS chips and can be used for door to
>>door navigation without the need for towers.
>
> Indeed, and it can be shut off, hence my reference to how to set the
> phone.
Some (many, most?) of the current phones cannot be totally disabled with the
>>>>>>>>You do understand that many employers now track their employees via
>>>>>>>>GPS. What is the difference here?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Someone else is doing it so it must be OK?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well for one, they make the tracking a condition for a "right" to an
>>>>>>> education.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They intend to broadcast social security numbers?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How do you feel about getting your own RFID? To prevent voter
>>>>>>> fraud,
>>>>>>> or child abuse, or illegal aliens, or to provide marketing info, or?
>>>>>>> Doubtless someone will come up with some way to make it seem
>>>>>>> innocuous
>>>>>>> and palatable. What then?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's called a 'cell phone' and is very easily tracked.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Only to the tower you are hooked up with if one knows how to set the
>>>>> phone.
>>>>
>>>>I was directly involved in the industy standards drafting process.
>>>>Regardless of what you've been told the devices can be tracked with
>>>>considerable ease and accuracy.
>>>
>>>
>>><LOL> You've been watching too much TV.
>>
>>All modern cell phones include GPS chips and can be used for door to
>>door navigation without the need for towers.
>
> Indeed, and it can be shut off, hence my reference to how to set the
> phone.
on/off switch. The original reason/justification was so that the system
could up date the roaming data, OS and system parameters.
If memory serves there were several patents filed on one or more of the
processes involved.
duke
Nov 24, 2012, 1:56:41 PM11/24/12
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On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 05:24:04 -0800 (PST), jane <jane....@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Nov 24, 8:01 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 12:30:44 -0800, Mike Painter <mddotpain...@sbcglobal.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 13:11:45 -0600, "NotMe" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>> >>Slice a fair size potato and sandwich the tag between the halves. Works for
>> >>most uW but gets interesting with the really high power units.
>>
>> >Rather pointless if the reason for the tag is to track somebody.
>> >As soon as it disappears they will be looking for you.
>>
>> >Make a phony badge and have a friend wear yours would be one way.
>> >Leave it in a classroom.
>> >Hide it in a teachers pocket.
>>
>> Good reason to get expelled.
>
>You are a good little sheeple.
Thank you.
>On Nov 24, 8:01 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 12:30:44 -0800, Mike Painter <mddotpain...@sbcglobal.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 13:11:45 -0600, "NotMe" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>> >>Slice a fair size potato and sandwich the tag between the halves. Works for
>> >>most uW but gets interesting with the really high power units.
>>
>> >Rather pointless if the reason for the tag is to track somebody.
>> >As soon as it disappears they will be looking for you.
>>
>> >Make a phony badge and have a friend wear yours would be one way.
>> >Leave it in a classroom.
>> >Hide it in a teachers pocket.
>>
>> Good reason to get expelled.
>
>You are a good little sheeple.
>You probably also believe that people who have nothing to hide should
>not mind government intrusion in your personal affairs.
Steve
Nov 24, 2012, 1:58:23 PM11/24/12
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down by turning off the location services. With GPS off, it may use
wifi of cell towers for a general location. Of course, one can shut
off wifi too. I have no reason for either of those to be on. If one
imagines that they can be tracked, they can simply carry it in a photo
film shield bag.
default
Nov 24, 2012, 3:37:16 PM11/24/12
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On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 09:52:06 -0500, NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 10:58:27 -0500, default wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:45:23 -0500, NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>You do understand that many employers now track their employees via
>>>GPS. What is the difference here?
>>
>>Someone else is doing it so it must be OK?
>
>Did I say it was ok? I'm merely stating that this is already an
>accepted trend.
You can understand how I may have inferred that you thought it was OK
>On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 10:58:27 -0500, default wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:45:23 -0500, NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>You do understand that many employers now track their employees via
>>>GPS. What is the difference here?
>>
>>Someone else is doing it so it must be OK?
>
>Did I say it was ok? I'm merely stating that this is already an
>accepted trend.
- lacking the outrage, anger and condemnation IMO it warranted.
>
>>
>>Well for one, they make the tracking a condition for a "right" to an
>>education.
>
>As employees must to work?
>
Big difference, it isn't the government keeping its citizens under
>>
>>Well for one, they make the tracking a condition for a "right" to an
>>education.
>
>As employees must to work?
>
surveillance.
In the case of the work place. I can see a need for that sort of
thing for: delivery services, cross country freight, maritime
shipping, bonded couriers, high value items, police or others at risk,
etc.. and then only to see where their cargo is, and the employees
safety.
I'm not aware of any tracking for individual employees, just for the
sake of keeping tabs on them.
>>They intend to broadcast social security numbers?
>
>That should be changed.
>
>>
>>How do you feel about getting your own RFID? To prevent voter fraud,
>>or child abuse, or illegal aliens, or to provide marketing info, or?
>>Doubtless someone will come up with some way to make it seem innocuous
>>and palatable. What then?
>
>Again, I never said it was ok. In fact I'm against it. I'm just
>amused that many people have been tracked for some time without a peep
>from those who now scream quite loudly.
I'm not sure I believe that. I run a tight ship computer wise -
>>
>>How do you feel about getting your own RFID? To prevent voter fraud,
>>or child abuse, or illegal aliens, or to provide marketing info, or?
>>Doubtless someone will come up with some way to make it seem innocuous
>>and palatable. What then?
>
>Again, I never said it was ok. In fact I'm against it. I'm just
>amused that many people have been tracked for some time without a peep
>from those who now scream quite loudly.
firewalls that alert to programs trying to phone out, cookies
destroyed daily, scripts forbidden, sites like google analytics,
double click, etc. looked out in the browser and firewall, no U toobe,
no "flash" modules, no twitter, facebook, fake phone numbers, even
fake SS numbers in some cases, never use my mother's maiden name for a
security check, I wouldn't give my parents my SS number, battery and
cell phone only get together when I need to make a call on the road,
no smart phone, no camera in the laptop or tablet, no personal
business at work or unsecured networks, routinely burn old bank
statements and things of that nature, etc..
It ain't perfect but way better than most
Not everyone is oblivious to what is going on, but I do fear that the
idiots that post to facebook and twitter are brain dead when it comes
to their data security.
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