Politico Admits Fabricating A Hit Piece On Ben Carson

[Health Plan]

Politico's editorial staff on Friday conceded that entire basis of
attack on Carson was invented out of whole cloth.

NOVEMBER 6, 2015 By Mollie Hemingway

Politico‘s Kyle Cheney admitted that he fabricated a negative story
about Ben Carson. At least, according to his own standards, he admitted
the grievous journalistic sin.

In a story published early on Friday, Politico’s Kyle Cheney authored a
piece headlined “Ben Carson admits fabricating West Point scholarship”
with a subhed “Carson’s campaign on Friday conceded that a central
point in his inspirational personal story did not occur as he
previously described.”

There were at least five major problems with the story:

*The headline was completely false
*The subhed was also completely false
*The opening paragraph was false false false
*The substance of the piece was missing key exonerating information
*The article demonstrated confusion about service academy admissions
and benefits
*But other than that, A+++ work, Kyle Cheney and Politico.

It could take all day to parse the problems with Kyle Cheney’s
now-somewhat-cleaned-up hit piece on Carson, but let’s just look at his
original introductory claims:

Ben Carson’s campaign on Friday admitted, in a response to an inquiry
from POLITICO, that a central point in his inspirational personal story
was fabricated: his application and acceptance into the U.S. Military
Academy at West Point. The academy has occupied a central place in
Carson’s tale for years. According to a story told in Carson’s book,
“Gifted Hands,” the then-17 year old was introduced in 1969 to Gen.
William Westmoreland, who had just ended his command of U.S. forces in
Vietnam, and the two dined together. That meeting, according to
Carson’s telling, was followed by a “full scholarship” to the military
academy. West Point, however, has no record of Carson applying, much
less being extended admission…When presented with this evidence,
Carson’s campaign conceded the story was false.

Roughly none of this is true. Ben Carson’s campaign did not “admit”
that a central point in his story “was fabricated.” Quite the opposite.
The central point of the story is falsely described by Cheney/Politico
as being that he applied and was accepted at West Point. Carson, in
fact, has repeatedly claimed not to have applied. So any claim
regarding the absence of West Point records of such an application
would not debunk Carson’s point. And, again, Carson’s campaign never
“conceded” the story was false at least in part because the story, as
characterized by Politico, is not one he told. Further, Cheney is
unable to substantiate his claim that Carson told this story. Nowhere
in the article does he even explain, with facts, where he came up with
the idea that Carson has ever made this claim.

Politico stealthily edited the inflammatory headline and lede, after
the damage was done. They made changes without adding a note about what
was corrected. They didn’t update the piece or add an editor’s note.
The new headline is very much toned down to “Exclusive: Carson claimed
West Point ‘scholarship’ but never applied.” This is a claim not
exclusive to Politico and not newsworthy in the least. Carson himself
broke this news 23 years ago when he said he was offered a scholarship
to West Point but never applied. The cleaned-up story still says that
Carson “conceded that he never applied nor was granted admission to
West Point.” To concede is to admit that something is true. But, again,
Carson himself made this claim more than two decades ago, so he’s not
conceding the point to Kyle Cheney or Politico simply because Kyle
Cheney and Politico misread him.

The Washington Post‘s Dave Weigel, who immediately expressed skepticism
about the significance of the Politico hit that was taking everybody by
storm, has a balanced take on the kerfuffle here. He also noted:


One other quick point to make about Politico and Kyle Cheney’s piece.
The original story claimed that Carson also lied by claiming he was
offered a full scholarship to West Point since the service academy is
entirely taxpayer funded. Or, as Politico put it: “indeed there are no
‘full scholarships,’ per se.” The only problem with this is that the
academy itself describes this benefit as a “full scholarship.”

Ben Carson was a brilliant student who had already shown an interest in
the military and had demonstrated leadership skills. It would be
weirder if West Point hadn’t tried to recruit him than tried to recruit
him. This doesn’t happen to us journalists, for obvious reasons, but
exceptional students are recruited by top colleges and universities all
the time.

Now, as for Kyle Cheney’s concession that he fabricated his piece on
Carson. He didn’t. That’s how I’m interpreting his decision to
stealthily edit his piece to remove much of the error. But Ben Carson
didn’t “admit” or “concede” to fabrication and he’s been tarred by
Cheney as if he had. So I’ll keep the headline.

Other critiques of Cheney and Politico are available from across the
political and media spectrum here, here, here, here, here, and here.

At a time when the media need to demonstrate good faith efforts to
cover Republicans and conservatives with even a modicum of fairness,
Kyle Cheney and Politico have done a tremendous disservice to their
brands.

[FPP]

On 2015-11-07 20:24:32 +0000, "Health Plan" <doctor...@lightpath.net> said:

> Now, as for Kyle Cheney’s concession that he fabricated his piece on
> Carson. He didn’t. That’s how I’m interpreting his decision to
> stealthily edit his piece to remove much of the error.

So YOU'RE admitting that the reporter DID NOT do exactly what you're
saying he DID!

YOU. ADMIT. YOU. ARE. LYING.

You've admitted he didn't do what you allege, and you're admitting that
you're CHOOSING to mischaracterize (read: LIE) about it.

Thank You!
--
"Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard. Be evil." - Roosevelt

[BTR1701]

In article <n1lot3$om4$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 2015-11-07 20:24:32 +0000, "Health Plan" <doctor...@lightpath.net>
> said:
>
> > Now, as for Kyle Cheney’s concession that he fabricated his piece on
> > Carson. He didn’t. That’s how I’m interpreting his decision to
> > stealthily edit his piece to remove much of the error.
>
> So YOU'RE admitting that the reporter DID NOT do exactly what you're
> saying he DID!

Yep, he was using the Politico reporters own standards to describe his work.

[FPP]

On 2015-11-07 21:30:39 +0000, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:

> In article <n1lot3$om4$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2015-11-07 20:24:32 +0000, "Health Plan" <doctor...@lightpath.net>
>> said:
>>

>>> Now, as for Kyle Cheney’s concession that he fabricated his piece on
>>> Carson. He didn’t. That’s how I’m interpreting his decision to

>>> stealthily edit his piece to remove much of the error.
>>
>> So YOU'RE admitting that the reporter DID NOT do exactly what you're
>> saying he DID!
>
> Yep, he was using the Politico reporters own standards to describe his work.

Bottom line... Carson lied when he said he was offered a scholarship to
West Point.
There ARE NO scholarships given to West Point.

What he says he was offered does not exist.
Agreed? Or will you lie about it?

It's a simple question.
--
Liberals believe in some elements of socialism.
Conservatives hate socialism and they only believe in some elements of it.

[Ashton Crusher]

On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 17:47:13 -0500, FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 2015-11-07 21:30:39 +0000, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>
>> In article <n1lot3$om4$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2015-11-07 20:24:32 +0000, "Health Plan" <doctor...@lightpath.net>
>>> said:
>>>

>>>> Now, as for Kyle Cheney秒s concession that he fabricated his piece on
>>>> Carson. He didn秒t. That秒s how I秒m interpreting his decision to

>>>> stealthily edit his piece to remove much of the error.
>>>
>>> So YOU'RE admitting that the reporter DID NOT do exactly what you're
>>> saying he DID!
>>
>> Yep, he was using the Politico reporters own standards to describe his work.
>
>Bottom line... Carson lied when he said he was offered a scholarship to
>West Point.
>There ARE NO scholarships given to West Point.
>
>What he says he was offered does not exist.
>Agreed? Or will you lie about it?
>
>It's a simple question.

Hell, since this nonsense was posted Carson's been interviewed and
admitted that what he wrote in his autobiography isn't true. He
claimed he turned down a scholarship. you can't turn down something
that doesn't exist. He admits he never applied to West Point. He
LIED by any common meaning of the word. Sure, you can count angles on
the head of a pin and make an argument that gosh, it really wasn't a
lie because blah blah blah but we ALL know he LIED.

Since then it also appears he lied about his youthful anger and beat
downs and attempted stabbing's.... seems that NO ONE recalls any such
thing ever happening, all anyone recalls is that then, like now, he
was a mild mannered guy. Most likely he made up the beat downs and
stabbing BS to try and build some street cred and polish his
"blackness".
I expect to see Carson start to fade and Trump to continue his
ascension to the nomination.

[NoBody]

On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 17:47:13 -0500, FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 2015-11-07 21:30:39 +0000, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>
>> In article <n1lot3$om4$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2015-11-07 20:24:32 +0000, "Health Plan" <doctor...@lightpath.net>
>>> said:
>>>

>>>> Now, as for Kyle Cheney秒s concession that he fabricated his piece on
>>>> Carson. He didn秒t. That秒s how I秒m interpreting his decision to

>>>> stealthily edit his piece to remove much of the error.
>>>
>>> So YOU'RE admitting that the reporter DID NOT do exactly what you're
>>> saying he DID!
>>
>> Yep, he was using the Politico reporters own standards to describe his work.
>
>Bottom line... Carson lied when he said he was offered a scholarship to
>West Point.
>There ARE NO scholarships given to West Point.
>
>What he says he was offered does not exist.
>Agreed? Or will you lie about it?
>
>It's a simple question.

Amazing you libs get your horns so twisted over a difference of
opinion of terms while ignoring the fact that Hillary has outright
lied. Her lies have cost people their lives and put national security
at risk. Somehow you see the former to be more serious than the
latter.

[clairbear]

NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote in
news:2aqu3b57cob0llck7...@4ax.com:

> On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 17:47:13 -0500, FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 2015-11-07 21:30:39 +0000, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>>
>>> In article <n1lot3$om4$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2015-11-07 20:24:32 +0000, "Health Plan"
>>>> <doctor...@lightpath.net> said:
>>>>

>>>>> Now, as for Kyle Cheney’s concession that he fabricated his piece

>>>>> on Carson. He didn’t. That’s how I’m interpreting his decision

>>>>> to stealthily edit his piece to remove much of the error.
>>>>
>>>> So YOU'RE admitting that the reporter DID NOT do exactly what
>>>> you're saying he DID!
>>>
>>> Yep, he was using the Politico reporters own standards to describe
>>> his work.
>>
>>Bottom line... Carson lied when he said he was offered a scholarship
>>to West Point.
>>There ARE NO scholarships given to West Point.
>>
>>What he says he was offered does not exist.
>>Agreed? Or will you lie about it?
>>
>>It's a simple question.
>
> Amazing you libs get your horns so twisted over a difference of
> opinion of terms while ignoring the fact that Hillary has outright
> lied. Her lies have cost people their lives and put national security
> at risk. Somehow you see the former to be more serious than the
> latter.
>

Liberals with their hypocritical doubles are fleecing the ignorant and
uniformed voters I worked well for them in the last to presidential
elections. God forbid they and Hillary pull this scam off yet again.
Hillary lied and the Bengazi 4 died Obama's litany of broken promises,
mistakes misdeeds and deception have helped lay this nation low, Bush made
mistakes and the current empty seet has doubled down on them. Bush put
troops in Afganistan and Iraq and Obama has set the rest of the muslim
world on fire. Of course there's that libtard double standard again when
they blame Vush for all of Obama's failures

[FPP]

On 2015-11-08 15:58:52 +0000, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:

> NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote in
> news:2aqu3b57cob0llck7...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 17:47:13 -0500, FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2015-11-07 21:30:39 +0000, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>>>
>>>> In article <n1lot3$om4$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2015-11-07 20:24:32 +0000, "Health Plan"
>>>>> <doctor...@lightpath.net> said:
>>>>>

>>>>>> Now, as for Kyle Cheney¨Ìs concession that he fabricated his piece
>>>>>> on Carson. He didn¨Ìt. That¨Ìs how I¨Ìm interpreting his decision

If I wanted to hear Right Wing talking points, I'd tune in to Fox News.
In fact, I do... every damned week.

So far, bear, you have nothing but accusations. There is no meat on
the bones, and it's pretty easy to do.

If that's the best you can do, bear, then the 2016 election will be a
mere formality.
--
We are all here on Earth to help others; what on Earth the others are
here for I don't know. -WH Auden

[Sn...@smack.com]

On Sun, 8 Nov 2015 16:23:17 -0500, FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 2015-11-08 15:58:52 +0000, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:

>If I wanted to hear Right Wing talking points, I'd tune in to Fox News.
> In fact, I do... every damned week.

To their credit--from Murdoch to Ailes---they make no secret that they
support an ideology, and resort to most means to make those choices
"look better"

Bending the rules, facts, and conclusions is what faux
does---admittedly
>==========================================================

"These gentlemen are the moral equivalents of America’s
founding fathers.

Ronald Regan introducing the Mujahideen leaders, 1985).

[clairbear]

FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n1oebt$oce$1...@dont-email.me:

> On 2015-11-08 15:58:52 +0000, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:
>
>> NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote in
>> news:2aqu3b57cob0llck7...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 17:47:13 -0500, FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2015-11-07 21:30:39 +0000, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <n1lot3$om4$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2015-11-07 20:24:32 +0000, "Health Plan"
>>>>>> <doctor...@lightpath.net> said:
>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Now, as for Kyle Cheney秒s concession that he fabricated his
>>>>>>> piece on Carson. He didn秒t. That秒s how I秒m interpreting his

And still you learn nothing

> So far, bear, you have nothing but accusations. There is no meat on
> the bones, and it's pretty easy to do.

So you are saying no one died in Bengazi

> If that's the best you can do, bear, then the 2016 election will be a
> mere formality.

Gee when did we become the soviet union

[Sn...@smack.com]

On Sun, 08 Nov 2015 17:34:34 -0600, clairbear <clai...@msn.com>
wrote:

>> If I wanted to hear Right Wing talking points, I'd tune in to Fox
>> News.

>> In fact, I do... every damned week.
>And still you learn nothing
>> So far, bear, you have nothing but accusations. There is no meat on
>> the bones, and it's pretty easy to do.
>So you are saying no one died in Bengazi

No one died for the reason you CLAIM, you mindless halfwit

NO evidence of ANY kind--(other than faux snooze belief promoted as
truth)---has EVER come out to suggest Clinton is at fault.

[FPP]

On 2015-11-08 23:34:34 +0000, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:

> FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n1oebt$oce$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 2015-11-08 15:58:52 +0000, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:
>>
>>> NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote in
>>> news:2aqu3b57cob0llck7...@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 17:47:13 -0500, FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2015-11-07 21:30:39 +0000, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <n1lot3$om4$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2015-11-07 20:24:32 +0000, "Health Plan"
>>>>>>> <doctor...@lightpath.net> said:
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Now, as for Kyle Cheney¨Ìs concession that he fabricated his

>>>>>>>> piece on Carson. He didn¨Ìt. That¨Ìs how I¨Ìm interpreting his

Four men died in Benghazi! (tm).

Over 3 thousand in 9-11.
Over 1800 in Katrina.

When do THEY get THEIR Justice?
When do THEY get THEIR investigation?
When are those who were responsible for those tragedies going to be
brought to account?

We both know the answer to that one, bear.
--
On Climate Change: "To be fair, leaving a lifeless husk of a planet to
our grandkids would be a CLASSIC prank." - Patton Oswalt

[FPP]

On 2015-11-08 23:34:34 +0000, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:

> Gee when did we become the soviet union

When the clowns too control of Congress and decided that we should have
a series of Soviet style "Show trials", and witch hunts.

It started in 2010, and has continued on for the last 5 years.
--
If "Con" is the opposite of "Pro", then isn't Congress the opposite of
Progress? -J.Stewart

[NoBody]

On Sun, 8 Nov 2015 16:23:17 -0500, FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 2015-11-08 15:58:52 +0000, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:
>
>> NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote in
>> news:2aqu3b57cob0llck7...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 17:47:13 -0500, FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2015-11-07 21:30:39 +0000, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <n1lot3$om4$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2015-11-07 20:24:32 +0000, "Health Plan"
>>>>>> <doctor...@lightpath.net> said:
>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Now, as for Kyle Cheney依s concession that he fabricated his piece
>>>>>>> on Carson. He didn依t. That依s how I依m interpreting his decision

Yet you post far less serious accusations about Carson and expect to
be taken seriously.

>If that's the best you can do, bear, then the 2016 election will be a
>mere formality.

If the average voter demonstrates your lack of intellectual depth,
then sadly what you say will be true.

[NoBody]

Those held responsible for 911 are dead. I'd call that "accountable"
Katrina? You still blaming Bush because the Dems didn't ask for help
until it was too late.

>
>We both know the answer to that one, bear.

Yeah, you're a hypocrite.

[Sn...@smack.com]

On Mon, 09 Nov 2015 07:07:00 -0500, NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote:

>>So far, bear, you have nothing but accusations. There is no meat on
>>the bones, and it's pretty easy to do.
>>
>
>Yet you post far less serious accusations about Carson and expect to
>be taken seriously.

All America is tired of unproven allegations, insinuations, innuendo,
conjecture, rumors, stories and lies used in place of actual events
(truth) by the political idiots you kiss ass, NOWUSSY

>>If that's the best you can do, bear, then the 2016 election will be a
>>mere formality.
>
>If the average voter demonstrates your lack of intellectual depth,
>then sadly what you say will be true.

Then only look to who YOUR side is offering

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[clairbear]

FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n1pj3r$1t8$1...@dont-email.me:

> On 2015-11-08 23:34:34 +0000, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:
>
>> FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n1oebt$oce$1...@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 2015-11-08 15:58:52 +0000, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:
>>>
>>>> NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote in
>>>> news:2aqu3b57cob0llck7...@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 17:47:13 -0500, FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2015-11-07 21:30:39 +0000, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>>>>>>

>>>>>>> In article <n1lot3$om4$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp151

@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2015-11-07 20:24:32 +0000, "Health Plan"
>>>>>>>> <doctor...@lightpath.net> said:
>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Now, as for Kyle Cheney秒s concession that he fabricated his
>>>>>>>>> piece on Carson. He didn秒t. That秒s how I秒m interpreting his

Not quite
Overall, 2,605 U.S. citizens, including 2,190 civilians, died in the
attacks but an additional 372 non-U.S. citizens (excluding the 19
perpetrators) also perished
Tha would be 2977 even adding the pers it is not "Over 3 thousand"
> Over 1800 in Katrina.
1833 was overal toatl but as to NOLA
Four years later, researchers still count New Orleans' Katrina dead,
parsing them into categories, puzzling over exactly how each of the more
than 1,400 victims perished -- and what might be done to protect them
the next time a big one rolls in off the Gulf.

> When do THEY get THEIR Justice?

Justice for the hijackers is up to God assuming you have some sort of
belief If not then you can never have justice on the perps
Katrina was a natural disaster nor recompense against nature

> When do THEY get THEIR investigation?

There were 911 hearing and more than afew investigations into Katrina's
aftermath with the majpor share of blame being attributed to state and
loacl officials

> When are those who were responsible for those tragedies going to be
> brought to account?

The perps of 911 are dead and how are you gonna bring nature or God to
account

>
> We both know the answer to that one, bear.

that's been expainled
Now tell us what your off topic response has to do this thread other
than your obsessive need to start a bitch fight over long settled issues

[clairbear]

FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n1pj6l$1t8$2...@dont-email.me:

> On 2015-11-08 23:34:34 +0000, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:
>
>> Gee when did we become the soviet union
>
> When the clowns too control of Congress and decided that we should have
> a series of Soviet style "Show trials", and witch hunts.

Really When? Where? Obviously your skewed pespective are once again devoid
of any basis in realty Try actually reading some history You'll discover
how very wrong you are

[clairbear]

NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote in
news:t0314blvpkr1opmjb...@4ax.com:

Seems they do, Just look atthe results of the last 2 elections They got
conned by a slick talking community organizer not once but twice

[FPP]

On 2015-11-09 20:01:39 -0500, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:

> FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n1pj3r$1t8$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 2015-11-08 23:34:34 +0000, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:
>>
>>> FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n1oebt$oce$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> On 2015-11-08 15:58:52 +0000, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:
>>>>
>>>>> NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:2aqu3b57cob0llck7...@4ax.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 17:47:13 -0500, FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2015-11-07 21:30:39 +0000, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In article <n1lot3$om4$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp151
> @gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2015-11-07 20:24:32 +0000, "Health Plan"
>>>>>>>>> <doctor...@lightpath.net> said:
>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Now, as for Kyle Cheney¨Ìs concession that he fabricated his

>>>>>>>>>> piece on Carson. He didn¨Ìt. That¨Ìs how I¨Ìm interpreting his

My response is to the fact that you don't live in the real world.

You advocate for this 8th Benghazi! (tm) investigation because you say
it's needed because 4 Americans (who knew they were going into mortal
danger when they signed up) were killed.

But for some reason, you don't want to extend that courtesy to
thousands of other, apparently LESS deserving, Americans who died under
any other administration.
--
"Didn't believe we needed to "Make America Great Again" - until I saw
the people we're seriously considering putting on the Presidential
ballot." - Kelly Hines 2015

[FPP]

EIGHT investigations of Benghazi! (tm).

And you don't see these as "show trials"? Do you honestly believe that
anything NEW and revealing will come out of an EIGHTH bite at the same
apple?

You really think this has anything to do with four dead Americans?

It's a political show trial that's designed to do two things... raise
money off the corpses of dead countrymen, and damage Hillary's
Presidential campaign.

This last investigation now has the distinguished record for being the
longest investigation in United States history... longer than Pearl
Harbor, Watergate, Iran Contra, Hurricane Katrina, or the Kennedy
assassination.

In other words, this is nothing more than a show trial. A pretty
shitty one, too...
--
When I was a boy I was told that anybody could become President; I'm
beginning to believe it. -Clarence Darrow

[FPP]

On 2015-11-09 20:08:27 -0500, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:

> NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote in
> news:t0314blvpkr1opmjb...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sun, 8 Nov 2015 16:23:17 -0500, FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2015-11-08 15:58:52 +0000, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:
>>>
>>>> NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote in
>>>> news:2aqu3b57cob0llck7...@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 17:47:13 -0500, FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2015-11-07 21:30:39 +0000, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <n1lot3$om4$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2015-11-07 20:24:32 +0000, "Health Plan"
>>>>>>>> <doctor...@lightpath.net> said:
>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Now, as for Kyle Cheney®Ãs concession that he fabricated his
>>>>>>>>> piece on Carson. He didn®Ãt. That®Ãs how I®Ãm interpreting his

And now they're being conned by a Carnival Barker and a pathological
liar with a Persecution complex.

What's your point?
--
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans." -A Saunders

[clairbear]

FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n1rhoq$iap$1...@dont-email.me:

> On 2015-11-09 20:01:39 -0500, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:
>
>> FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n1pj3r$1t8$1...@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 2015-11-08 23:34:34 +0000, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:
>>>
>>>> FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n1oebt$oce$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2015-11-08 15:58:52 +0000, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:2aqu3b57cob0llck7...@4ax.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 17:47:13 -0500, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2015-11-07 21:30:39 +0000, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In article <n1lot3$om4$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp151
>> @gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-11-07 20:24:32 +0000, "Health Plan"
>>>>>>>>>> <doctor...@lightpath.net> said:
>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Now, as for Kyle Cheney秒s concession that he fabricated his
>>>>>>>>>>> piece on Carson. He didn秒t. That秒s how I秒m interpreting

False attribution I never sais anything about an investiagtion, you
pathetic LIAR

> But for some reason, you don't want to extend that courtesy to
> thousands of other, apparently LESS deserving, Americans who died
under
> any other administration.

More of your logical fallacies. Hillary and Obama could have sent help
they did not. No one agency had enough intel to have prevented 911. No
one could have stopped and act of God called Katrina None of these can
be equated to the other as you so illogically postulate
In short more evidence that you are either a LIAR or just pig ignorant
Any further resopnse would indicate the former you silence would show us
that you realise the latter is true
So wich is it are tou a pthological LIAR or just too IGNORANT To be
worthy of further consideration?

[clairbear]

FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n1ri6b$jal$1...@dont-email.me:

Show trials were a significant part of Joseph Stalin's regime. The Moscow
Trials of the Great Purge period (1937–38) in the Soviet Union are
characteristic.

The authorities staged the actual trials meticulously. If defendants
refused to "cooperate", i.e., to admit guilt for their alleged and mostly
fabricated crimes, they did not go on public trial, but suffered execution
nonetheless. This happened, for example during the prosecution of the so-
called "Labour Peasant Party" (, a party invented by the NKVD, which, in
particular, assigned the notable economist Alexander Chayanov to it.
Funny, Hillary did not co-operate and yet she is still alive and free
You logical fallacies on display yet again for all to see Obviuosly these
hearings bear no resemblence to the real "Soviet Show Trials" as the
witnesses had free to say what they will
You have been weighed, measured and once again found wanting

[clairbear]

FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n1ri9h$jjd$1...@dont-email.me:

> On 2015-11-09 20:08:27 -0500, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:
>
>> NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote in
>> news:t0314blvpkr1opmjb...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Sun, 8 Nov 2015 16:23:17 -0500, FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2015-11-08 15:58:52 +0000, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:
>>>>
>>>>> NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:2aqu3b57cob0llck7...@4ax.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 17:47:13 -0500, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2015-11-07 21:30:39 +0000, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> In article <n1lot3$om4$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp151

@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2015-11-07 20:24:32 +0000, "Health Plan"
>>>>>>>>> <doctor...@lightpath.net> said:
>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Now, as for Kyle Cheney¨Ìs concession that he fabricated his

>>>>>>>>>> piece on Carson. He didn¨Ìt. That¨Ìs how I¨Ìm interpreting

And we all thought you liked Hillary
> What's your point?

[Beam Me Up Scotty]

On 11/09/2015 08:46 PM, FPP wrote:
>
> This last investigation now has the distinguished record for being the
> longest investigation in United States history...

It took a long while to get anything on Al Capone, as well.


Because he had some good lawyers also, Clinton will get away with it
until someone uses the IRS as they did with Capone.

Obviously it won't be Obama ands his ilk since being Democrats gets them
all a free pass while Obama targets his All American enemies.


*Old but still true*
["""""""Romney should call a press conference and issue a challenge in
front of the nation. He should agree to release more of his tax returns,
only if Obama unseals his college records. Simple and straight-forward.
Mitt should ask “What could possibly be so embarrassing in your college
records from 29 years ago that you are afraid to let America’s voters
see? If it’s THAT bad, maybe it’s something the voters ought to see.”
Suddenly the tables are turned. """"""""""]


--
That's Karma

[Sn...@smack.com]

On Mon, 09 Nov 2015 19:01:39 -0600, clairbear <clai...@msn.com>
wrote:

>Now tell us what your off topic response has to do this thread other
>than your obsessive need to start a bitch fight over long settled issues

Making fun of rightwing ignorance and stupidity?

[FPP]

On 2015-11-09 21:09:32 -0500, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:

> FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n1rhoq$iap$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 2015-11-09 20:01:39 -0500, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:
>>
>>> FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n1pj3r$1t8$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> On 2015-11-08 23:34:34 +0000, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:
>>>>
>>>>> FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n1oebt$oce$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2015-11-08 15:58:52 +0000, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:2aqu3b57cob0llck7...@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 17:47:13 -0500, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2015-11-07 21:30:39 +0000, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In article <n1lot3$om4$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp151
>>> @gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-11-07 20:24:32 +0000, "Health Plan"
>>>>>>>>>>> <doctor...@lightpath.net> said:
>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, as for Kyle Cheney¨Ìs concession that he fabricated his

>>>>>>>>>>>> piece on Carson. He didn¨Ìt. That¨Ìs how I¨Ìm interpreting

YOU brought up the subject of Hillary, and Benghazi! (tm), not I, bear. YOU!

>> But for some reason, you don't want to extend that courtesy to
>> thousands of other, apparently LESS deserving, Americans who died
> under
>> any other administration.

> More of your logical fallacies. Hillary and Obama could have sent help
> they did not. No one agency had enough intel to have prevented 911. No
> one could have stopped and act of God called Katrina None of these can
> be equated to the other as you so illogically postulate
> In short more evidence that you are either a LIAR or just pig ignorant
> Any further resopnse would indicate the former you silence would show us
> that you realise the latter is true
> So wich is it are tou a pthological LIAR or just too IGNORANT To be
> worthy of further consideration?

You fucking IDIOT. Katrina was an Act of God. The bungled response
that accounted for most of the deaths afterward was an Act of
Stupidity. An Act of Bush... which, I guess, would be redundant.

On Benghazi, and your other ridiculous conclusions, it was the House
Republican Committee, chaired by (you guessed it!) Republicans who
found that:

> A two-year investigation by the Republican-controlled House
> Intelligence Committee has found that the CIA and the military acted
> properly in responding to the 2012 attack on a U.S. diplomatic compound
> in Benghazi, Libya, and asserted no wrongdoing by Obama administration
> appointees.

Why don't you leave that Fox News Circlejerk, once in a while and find
out what's REALLY going on?

> Debunking a series of persistent allegations hinting at dark
> conspiracies, the investigation of the politically charged incident
> determined that there was no intelligence failure, no delay in sending
> a CIA rescue team, no missed opportunity for a military rescue, and no
> evidence the CIA was covertly shipping arms from Libya to Syria.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/house-intelligence-committee-investigation-debunks-many-benghazi-theories/

This

was REPUBLICANS investigating Obama and Hillary's State Department… not
some right wing nutjobs sitting around figuring out how to dupe the Fox
Newsrubes into swallowing what their selling…

Stop swallowing, bear. "No delay in sending a CIA rescue team", "No
missed opportunity for a military rescue."
These are the FACTS, as reported by SEVEN different investigations.

> Many of its findings echo those of six previous investigations by
> various congressional committees and a State Department panel. The
> eighth Benghazi investigation is being carried out by a House Select
> Committee appointed in May.

So, bear… what are YOUR sources? Comic books?

I'm hoping that's true, because even comic books would be a better
source of info than you're getting now.
--
Atheism is a non prophet organization.

[FPP]

> Trials of the Great Purge period (1937ñ38) in the Soviet Union are

> characteristic.
>
> The authorities staged the actual trials meticulously. If defendants
> refused to "cooperate", i.e., to admit guilt for their alleged and mostly
> fabricated crimes, they did not go on public trial, but suffered execution
> nonetheless. This happened, for example during the prosecution of the so-
> called "Labour Peasant Party" (, a party invented by the NKVD, which, in
> particular, assigned the notable economist Alexander Chayanov to it.
> Funny, Hillary did not co-operate and yet she is still alive and free
> You logical fallacies on display yet again for all to see Obviuosly these
> hearings bear no resemblence to the real "Soviet Show Trials" as the
> witnesses had free to say what they will

> You have been weighed, measured and once again found wanting

If you were any dumber you could run for the Republican nomination for
President this year...
--
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American
public. -Mencken

[FPP]

On 2015-11-09 21:58:59 -0500, Beam Me Up Scotty
<I-WAS-JUST-GANG-PROBED-BY-...@IRS.FBI.NSA.CIA.EPA.FCC.DHS.CDC.DEA.DOE.ATF.DOT.gov>
said:

> On 11/09/2015 08:46 PM, FPP wrote:
>>
>> This last investigation now has the distinguished record for being the
>> longest investigation in United States history...
>
>
> It took a long while to get anything on Al Capone, as well.
>
>
> Because he had some good lawyers also, Clinton will get away with it
> until someone uses the IRS as they did with Capone.
>
> Obviously it won't be Obama ands his ilk since being Democrats gets them
> all a free pass while Obama targets his All American enemies.

This isn't the 1920's anymore... and they've been after Clinton for
over 30 years now, with very little outside of a blow job to show for
it. I'd wager it was the most expensive blow job in history...

It's interesting how a pissant little Tea Partying runt like you
doesn't seem to mind them wasting taxpayer dollars when it comes to
furthering your own personal political agenda.
--
Election 2016: Anything that could be perceived as a negative for
Hillary, DOES NOT make a single Republican challenger look ANY better.

[FPP]

On 2015-11-09 21:19:42 -0500, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:

> FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n1ri9h$jjd$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 2015-11-09 20:08:27 -0500, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:
>>
>>> NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote in
>>> news:t0314blvpkr1opmjb...@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 8 Nov 2015 16:23:17 -0500, FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2015-11-08 15:58:52 +0000, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:2aqu3b57cob0llck7...@4ax.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 17:47:13 -0500, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2015-11-07 21:30:39 +0000, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In article <n1lot3$om4$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp151
> @gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-11-07 20:24:32 +0000, "Health Plan"
>>>>>>>>>> <doctor...@lightpath.net> said:
>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Now, as for Kyle Cheney®Ãs concession that he fabricated his

>>>>>>>>>>> piece on Carson. He didn®Ãt. That®Ãs how I®Ãm interpreting

Hillary will wipe the floor with Trump, and Carson. I doubt she would
even break a sweat... unlike poor Marco Rubio - the Gunga Din of the
Republican Party.
--
Liberals think it takes a village to raise a child.
Conservatives think it takes a family to raise a child.
Children are actually being raised by TV, video games, and the Internet.

[clairbear]

FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n1rqvv$54n$1...@dont-email.me:

>>> You advocate for this 8th Benghazi! (tm) investigation because you
>>> say it's needed because 4 Americans (who knew they were going into
>>> mortal danger when they signed up) were killed.
>

>> False attribution I never said anything about an investiagtion, you

>> pathetic LIAR
>
> YOU brought up the subject of Hillary, and Benghazi! (tm), not I,
> bear. YOU!

But I never said any thing about the investigations into but then being the
patological LIAR you are, you ignor that simple truth.

[NoBody]

On Mon, 09 Nov 2015 08:55:05 -0700, Sn...@smack.com wrote:

>On Mon, 09 Nov 2015 07:07:00 -0500, NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>>So far, bear, you have nothing but accusations. There is no meat on
>>>the bones, and it's pretty easy to do.
>>>
>>
>>Yet you post far less serious accusations about Carson and expect to
>>be taken seriously.
>
>All America is tired of unproven allegations, insinuations, innuendo,
>conjecture, rumors, stories and lies used in place of actual events
>(truth) by the political idiots you kiss ass, NOWUSSY
>

Then why do you participate in doing just that?

[NoBody]

On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 23:17:11 -0500, FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 2015-11-09 21:09:32 -0500, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:
>
>> FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n1rhoq$iap$1...@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 2015-11-09 20:01:39 -0500, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:
>>>
>>>> FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n1pj3r$1t8$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2015-11-08 23:34:34 +0000, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n1oebt$oce$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2015-11-08 15:58:52 +0000, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:2aqu3b57cob0llck7...@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 17:47:13 -0500, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-11-07 21:30:39 +0000, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <n1lot3$om4$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp151
>>>> @gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-11-07 20:24:32 +0000, "Health Plan"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <doctor...@lightpath.net> said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, as for Kyle Cheney依s concession that he fabricated his
>>>>>>>>>>>>> piece on Carson. He didn依t. That依s how I依m interpreting

The "bungled" response was due to the lack of Democrat leadership at
the local level. I also note your lack of outrage at the "bungled"
response from Obama after superstorm Sandy.

[NoBody]

That you should be kinder when you talk about Hillary and Bernie?

[Bob]

Would that be Trump and Clinton?

[Sn...@smack.com]

On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 06:42:02 -0500, NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote:

>>>Yet you post far less serious accusations about Carson and expect to
>>>be taken seriously.
>>
>>All America is tired of unproven allegations, insinuations, innuendo,
>>conjecture, rumors, stories and lies used in place of actual events
>>(truth) by the political idiots you kiss ass, NOWUSSY
>>
>
>Then why do you participate in doing just that?

Ain't

The Carson nonsense is HIS fault for lying about his "exploits"

(clinton did not, BTW----he parsed the claim of republicans---and was
truthful....remember?)

[Sn...@smack.com]

On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 06:46:22 -0500, NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote:

>>You fucking IDIOT. Katrina was an Act of God. The bungled response
>>that accounted for most of the deaths afterward was an Act of
>>Stupidity. An Act of Bush... which, I guess, would be redundant.
>>
>
>The "bungled" response was due to the lack of Democrat leadership at
>the local level.

The "local level" in the south is definitely conservative in all
aspects

When the national "leadership" is a controlling fact---the "local"
level is a Lesser authority, you mindless foot stomper.

[clairbear]

NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote in
news:t5m34b9795k8d2iu1...@4ax.com:

Why should he be outraged at Obama freddie is just another Dimocrat
shill

[clairbear]

Iran has stopped dismantling centrifuges in two uranium enrichment plants,
state media reported on Tuesday, days after conservative lawmakers
complained to President Hassan Rouhani that the process was too rushed.

Last week, Iran announced it had begun shutting down inactive centrifuges
at the Natanz and Fordow plants under the terms of a deal struck with world
powers in July that limits its nuclear programme in exchange for easing
sanctions.

Iran's hardliners continue to resist and undermine the nuclear deal, which
was forged by moderates they oppose and which they see as a capitulation to
the West.

"The (dismantling) process stopped with a warning," Ali Shamkhani,
Secretary of the National Security Council, was quoted as saying by the
ISNA student news agency.

Only decommissioned centrifuges were being dismantled to begin with, of
which there were about 10,000 at Natanz and Fordow, the Atomic Energy
Organisation of Iran has said.

Shamkhani did not specify what he meant by "warning", but the head of
parliament's nuclear deal commission, Alireza Zakani, told Mehr news agency
that the dismantling had stopped in Fordow because of the lawmakers' letter
to Rouhani.

Zakani, who was not one of the signatories of the letter, did not mention
activities at Natanz.

A group of 20 hardline parliamentarians wrote to the president last week
complaining that the deactivation of centrifuges contradicted the
directives of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

Khamenei has said that the deal should only be implemented once allegations
of past military dimensions (PMD) of Iran's nuclear programme had been
settled.

The International Atomic Energy Agency is expected to announce its
conclusions on PMD by Dec. 15.

Centrifuges spin at supersonic speed to increase the ratio of the fissile
isotope in uranium. Low-enriched uranium is used to fuel nuclear power
plants, Iran's stated goal, but can also provide material for bombs if
refined much further.

Iran denied Western suspicions it was aiming to build a nuclear bomb.
(Reporting by Bozorgmehr Sharafedin; Editing by Yara Bayoumy and Raissa
Kasolowsky)

[Sn...@smack.com]

On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 15:44:43 -0600, clairbear <clai...@msn.com>
wrote:

>> The "bungled" response was due to the lack of Democrat leadership at
>> the local level. I also note your lack of outrage at the "bungled"
>> response from Obama after superstorm Sandy.

What "local level"? the local level doesn't have the financial
ability to field the operations, you dimwitted fool

>
>Why should he be outraged at Obama freddie is just another Dimocrat
>shill

And kicking your ass---MOF---all down our history---you wingers NEVER
achieve anything lasting except misery.

[Sn...@smack.com]

On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 16:12:48 -0600, clairbear <clai...@msn.com>
wrote:

>
>Iran's hardliners continue to resist and undermine the nuclear deal, which
>was forged by moderates they oppose and which they see as a capitulation to
>the West.

Makes us glad---just like the eventual capitulation of wingers to the
inevitable horrible policies of conservatives that MUST be rid of.

[FPP]

You brought up Hillary and Benghazi! (tm) - and, yet you don't think
it's relevant that there have been EIGHT investigations?

Forgive me, bear, if I gave the impression that you knew what you were
talking about.

Foolish me.
--
"Politicians: Pinocchios with nose jobs." -Bauvard

[FPP]

On 2015-11-10 16:44:43 -0500, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:

> NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote in
> news:t5m34b9795k8d2iu1...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 23:17:11 -0500, FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2015-11-09 21:09:32 -0500, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:
>>>
>>>> FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n1rhoq$iap$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2015-11-09 20:01:39 -0500, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n1pj3r$1t8$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2015-11-08 23:34:34 +0000, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:n1oebt$oce$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2015-11-08 15:58:52 +0000, clairbear <clai...@msn.com>
>>>>>>>>> said:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:2aqu3b57cob0llck7...@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 17:47:13 -0500, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-11-07 21:30:39 +0000, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <n1lot3$om4$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp151
>>>>>> @gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-11-07 20:24:32 +0000, "Health Plan"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <doctor...@lightpath.net> said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, as for Kyle Cheney®Ãs concession that he fabricated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his piece on Carson. He didn®Ãt. That®Ãs how I®Ãm

Again, idiots without facts, or knowledge, lie some more. The Federal
response to Sandy wasn't bungled... it was textbook. This is from the
non-partisan CSIS:

CSIS is a bipartisan, nonprofit organization headquartered in
Washington, D.C. The Center’s 220 full-time staff and large network of
affiliated scholars conduct research and analysis and develop policy
initiatives that look to the future and anticipate change.

> Learning from past challenges in preparing for, and providing relief
> efforts after, Hurricane Katrina, the federal government – led by the
> Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) with support from other
> federal departments – began to place staff and assets in the predicted
> impact areas before the storm made landfall and worked with state
> counterparts to coordinate potential emergency response and relief.
>
> On October 28, 2012, one day before the storm made landfall in New
> Jersey, President Obama signed emergency declarations for Connecticut,
> the District of Columbia, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, and New
> York, allowing FEMA to transfer resources directly to state, local, and
> tribal organizations to make preparations in advance of the storm.
>
> He signed additional emergency declarations for other states, such as
> Delaware and West Virginia, in the following days. On October 30th,
> President Obama directed FEMA to create the National Power Restoration
> Taskforce, which was to minimize red tape, increase coordination among
> government agencies at all levels and the private sector, and rapidly
> restore fuel and power.
>
> Such actions show a marked change from the way authorities dealt with
> Hurricane Katrina, this time FEMA was proactive rather than reactive.
> This is due in part to legislation approved by Congress to restructure
> FEMA following the miscues of Hurricane Katrina, which allowed quicker
> access to federal resources and increased communication and
> partnerships between the federal, state and local agencies.

http://csis.org/publication/hurricane-sandy-evaluating-response-one-year-later

What makes you dummies think that just making an allegation is proof of
your position? Mr. Ed moved his gums a lot, too... and even he made
more sense than you guys.

Maybe you should try a little bit of peanut butter on the roof of YOUR
mouths...
--
"Diplomacy is the art of saying "Nice doggie", until you can find a
rock." - Will Rogers

[FPP]

It isn't a Persecution complex, if they've been after you for forty
years... and everybody has seen it.
--
"History is a set of lies agreed upon." -Napoleon

[clairbear]

FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n1u611$qqt$1...@dont-email.me:

> Again, idiots without facts, or knowledge, lie some more.

We all know you Hillary and Obama are lying idiots tell us something we
don't know

[clairbear]

FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n1u5fu$pht$1...@dont-email.me:

> On 2015-11-10 05:32:32 -0500, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:
>
>> FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n1rqvv$54n$1...@dont-email.me:
>>
>>>>> You advocate for this 8th Benghazi! (tm) investigation because you
>>>>> say it's needed because 4 Americans (who knew they were going into
>>>>> mortal danger when they signed up) were killed.
>>>
>>>> False attribution I never said anything about an investiagtion, you
>>>> pathetic LIAR
>>>
>>> YOU brought up the subject of Hillary, and Benghazi! (tm), not I,
>>> bear. YOU!
>>
>> But I never said any thing about the investigations into but then
>> being the patological LIAR you are, you ignor that simple truth.
>
> You brought up Hillary and Benghazi! (tm) - and, yet you don't think
> it's relevant that there have been EIGHT investigations?

It was brought to point out the speciuos accusation of lying in Ben Carsons
bio vs. the blatant lies of hillary about Bengazi, her question email
storage and the littany of lies and misdeads going all the way back to
Whitewater and the suspicious death of Vince foster- it simple lies and
misrepresentation of legal and nation import vs. a few lines in a bio
Any reasonable person can see the difference

> Forgive me, bear, if I gave the impression that you knew what you were
> talking about.

You don't even know what you are taling about much of the time
> Foolish me.

[Sn...@smack.com]

On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 21:00:47 -0600, clairbear <clai...@msn.com>
wrote:

>> You brought up Hillary and Benghazi! (tm) - and, yet you don't think
>> it's relevant that there have been EIGHT investigations?

>It was brought to point out the speciuos accusation of lying in Ben Carsons
>bio vs. the blatant lies of hillary about Bengazi,

Again---you didn't read

There are NO PROVEN accusations of ANY wrongdoing against Clinton

It's all fucking hot air with no substance

[Sn...@smack.com]

On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 20:51:48 -0600, clairbear <clai...@msn.com>
wrote:

No, you "SAY" they're lying

It's not a fact

It's a "Belief" (and not even a credible one at that)

[FPP]

The Earth is round.

2 + 2 = 4

Water is wet.

Shall I go on?
--
I no doubt deserved my enemies, but I don't believe I deserved my
friends. -Whitman

[FPP]

No proof, bear... just your flapping gums.

Talk is cheap, but stupidity is more plentiful. Show proof, or be
shown as the fool you are.
--
As a child my family's menu consisted of two choices: take it or leave
it. -Hackett

[Rüdy Canôza]

On 11/10/2015 8:34 PM, FPP wrote:
> On 2015-11-10 21:51:48 -0500, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:
>
>> FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n1u611$qqt$1...@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> Again, idiots without facts, or knowledge, lie some more.
>>
>> We all know you Hillary and Obama are lying idiots tell us something we
>> don't know
>
> The Earth is round.
>
> 2 + 2 = 4
>
> Water is wet.
>
> Shall I go on?

You should fuck off is what you should do, asshole.

[FPP]

People shouldn't ask questions they don't want answers to.

If you can't handle the heat, stay the fuck out of the kitchen.
--
Computers are like Old Testament Gods. Lots of rules, and no mercy.

[NoBody]

On Mon, 09 Nov 2015 08:55:05 -0700, Sn...@smack.com wrote:

>On Mon, 09 Nov 2015 07:07:00 -0500, NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>

>>>So far, bear, you have nothing but accusations. There is no meat on
>>>the bones, and it's pretty easy to do.
>>>
>>
>>Yet you post far less serious accusations about Carson and expect to
>>be taken seriously.
>

>All America is tired of unproven allegations, insinuations, innuendo,
>conjecture, rumors, stories and lies used in place of actual events
>(truth) by the political idiots you kiss ass, NOWUSSY

Yet you take the lead in making silly attacks against Carson. How
hypocritical of you.

[NoBody]

On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:30:49 -0700, Sn...@smack.com wrote:

>On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 06:42:02 -0500, NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>>>Yet you post far less serious accusations about Carson and expect to
>>>>be taken seriously.
>>>
>>>All America is tired of unproven allegations, insinuations, innuendo,
>>>conjecture, rumors, stories and lies used in place of actual events
>>>(truth) by the political idiots you kiss ass, NOWUSSY
>>>
>>
>>Then why do you participate in doing just that?
>
>Ain't
>

Just keep stomping those feed IDIOT.

[NoBody]

On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 17:42:48 -0700, Sn...@smack.com wrote:

>On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 15:44:43 -0600, clairbear <clai...@msn.com>
>wrote:
>
>>> The "bungled" response was due to the lack of Democrat leadership at
>>> the local level. I also note your lack of outrage at the "bungled"
>>> response from Obama after superstorm Sandy.
>
>What "local level"? the local level doesn't have the financial
>ability to field the operations, you dimwitted fool
>

It was the responsibility of the local level to request the
government's assistance. The Feds just don't swoop in and take over.
The local government and state governor FAILED at their duty.

[NoBody]

Who has "been after" for forty years?

[NoBody]

On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:34:13 -0700, Sn...@smack.com wrote:

>On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 06:46:22 -0500, NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>>You fucking IDIOT. Katrina was an Act of God. The bungled response
>>>that accounted for most of the deaths afterward was an Act of
>>>Stupidity. An Act of Bush... which, I guess, would be redundant.
>>>
>>
>>The "bungled" response was due to the lack of Democrat leadership at
>>the local level.
>
>The "local level" in the south is definitely conservative in all
>aspects

They were Democrats you dope.

>
>When the national "leadership" is a controlling fact---the "local"
>level is a Lesser authority, you mindless foot stomper.
>

You don't understand how States of Emergencies and Fema works do you?

[NoBody]

On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 17:42:48 -0700, Sn...@smack.com wrote:

>On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 15:44:43 -0600, clairbear <clai...@msn.com>
>wrote:
>
>>> The "bungled" response was due to the lack of Democrat leadership at
>>> the local level. I also note your lack of outrage at the "bungled"
>>> response from Obama after superstorm Sandy.
>
>What "local level"? the local level doesn't have the financial
>ability to field the operations, you dimwitted fool

There is a process to engage Federal relief efforts. Perhaps you
should check the "public record" to inform yourself better.

[Sn...@smack.com]

On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 11:25:09 -0500, NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote:

>>>> And now they're being conned by a Carnival Barker and a pathological
>>>> liar with a Persecution complex.
>>>
>>> Would that be Trump and Clinton?
>>
>>It isn't a Persecution complex, if they've been after you for forty
>>years... and everybody has seen it.
>
>Who has "been after" for forty years?

The resurgence of conservatism that you idiots "thought" that Raygun
would usher in and last longer than the years of FDR's transformation
of america to a BETTER place.

Raygun was your hope---but was wrong about core issues that he pushed.

Tax cuts were NOT necessary for ANY reason

Massive spending of Raygun--was promoted as a personal choice against
a failing soviet system---(Crumbling drastically by the 60's and 70's)

The expansion of stupidity under Bush---the massive debt under Bush
and the failure of repubicans to allow CHANGE to the ever-growing, GOP
caused national debt---is the disaster which republicans will forever
live with

(and you)


>=============================================

"..Anglo-American society has enered a new era---a new turning--every
two decades or so. At the start of each turning, people change how
they feel about themselves, the culture, the nation and the future.
Turnings come in cycles of four. Each cycle spans the length of a long
human life, roughly eighty to one hundred years, a unit of time the
ancients calleed the "saeculum". Together, the four turnings of the
saeculum comprise history's seasonal rhythm of growth, maturation,
entropy, and destruction."

* The "first turning" is a "high", an upbeat era of strengthing
Institutions and weakening individualism, when a new civil order
implants and the old values regime decays.

* The "second turning" is an "awakening", a passionate era of
spiritual upheavel, when the civic order comes under attack for a new
values regime.

* The "third Turning is a "unraveling", a downcast era of
strengthening individualism and weakening institutions when the 'old'
civic order decays and the new values regime impants.

*The 'Fourth Turning" is a "Crisis", a decisive era of secular
upheaval, when the values regime propels the replace of the old civic
order with a new one.

The FOURTH TURNING (An American Prophecy)
William Strauss and Neil Howe
Broadway Books 1997

[Sn...@smack.com]

On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 11:26:14 -0500, NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote:

>>The "local level" in the south is definitely conservative in all
>>aspects
>
>They were Democrats you dope.

DIxiecrats (Thurmond, Helms, etc) were avowed racist CONSERVATIVES

You dimwitted fool

Then became GOP leadership

[clairbear]

FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n1ugd3$h14$2...@dont-email.me:

> On 2015-11-10 21:51:48 -0500, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:
>
>> FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n1u611$qqt$1...@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> Again, idiots without facts, or knowledge, lie some more.
>>
>> We all know you Hillary and Obama are lying idiots tell us something we
>> don't know
>
> The Earth is round.
>
> 2 + 2 = 4
>
> Water is wet.
>
> Shall I go on?

And that proof of what, that you have a fisrt grade education?

[clairbear]

FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n1us3f$ffp$1...@dont-email.me:

> On 2015-11-11 04:38:30 +0000, Rüdy Canôza <ru...@ph.con> said:
>
>> On 11/10/2015 8:34 PM, FPP wrote:
>>> On 2015-11-10 21:51:48 -0500, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:
>>>
>>>> FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n1u611$qqt$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> Again, idiots without facts, or knowledge, lie some more.
>>>>
>>>> We all know you Hillary and Obama are lying idiots tell us
>>>> something we don't know
>>>
>>> The Earth is round.
>>>
>>> 2 + 2 = 4
>>>
>>> Water is wet.
>>>
>>> Shall I go on?
>>
>> You should fuck off is what you should do, asshole.
>
> People shouldn't ask questions they don't want answers to.
>
> If you can't handle the heat, stay the fuck out of the kitchen.

I guess we know what the F in FPP stands for now

[clairbear]

FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n1ugg7$hbs$1...@dont-email.me:

We've all read many of you post so that should be proof enough of how
little you really know

[Rüdy Canôza]

On 11/10/2015 11:54 PM, FPP wrote:
> On 2015-11-11 04:38:30 +0000, R¸dy CanÙza <ru...@ph.con> said:
>
>> On 11/10/2015 8:34 PM, FPP wrote:
>>> On 2015-11-10 21:51:48 -0500, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:
>>>
>>>> FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n1u611$qqt$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> Again, idiots without facts, or knowledge, lie some more.
>>>>
>>>> We all know you Hillary and Obama are lying idiots tell us something we
>>>> don't know
>>>
>>> The Earth is round.
>>>
>>> 2 + 2 = 4
>>>
>>> Water is wet.
>>>
>>> Shall I go on?
>>
>> You should fuck off is what you should do, asshole.
>
> People shouldn't ask questions they don't want answers to.

No one did.

[clairbear]

NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote in
news:8ga64bdjj33ooimtr...@4ax.com:

Maybe snout is racist as well as silly. Seems as though the left has a
streak of bitter racism and sexism where Republican minorities and women
are concerned. 'How dare the stray off the liberal reservation!!'

[FPP]

It was in response to your request that I tell you something you don't know...

Judging by your razor sharp grasp of the facts, I figured you could use
the help.
--
"Bunch together a group of people deliberately chosen for strong
religious feelings, and you have a practical guarantee of dark
morbidities expressed in crime, perversion, and insanity." -H.P.
Lovecraft

[FPP]

Again... talk is cheap. You do nothing but talk.

You never cite a single source, or repeat a verifiable fact. Nothing
you regurgitate can be considered anything but loose talk. All hat.
No cattle.

So, go right ahead and say something even stupider than your last post.
It's what you're going to do... so, please, do with with my blessing.

Nothing I could ever say would make you sound any stupider than what
comes out of your own mouth.

In that, I am truly blessed!

[FPP]

On 2015-11-11 22:58:08 +0000, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:

> FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n1us3f$ffp$1...@dont-email.me:
>

>> On 2015-11-11 04:38:30 +0000, R¸dy CanÙza <ru...@ph.con> said:
>>
>>> On 11/10/2015 8:34 PM, FPP wrote:
>>>> On 2015-11-10 21:51:48 -0500, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:
>>>>
>>>>> FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n1u611$qqt$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Again, idiots without facts, or knowledge, lie some more.
>>>>>
>>>>> We all know you Hillary and Obama are lying idiots tell us
>>>>> something we don't know
>>>>
>>>> The Earth is round.
>>>>
>>>> 2 + 2 = 4
>>>>
>>>> Water is wet.
>>>>
>>>> Shall I go on?
>>>
>>> You should fuck off is what you should do, asshole.
>>
>> People shouldn't ask questions they don't want answers to.
>>
>> If you can't handle the heat, stay the fuck out of the kitchen.
>
> I guess we know what the F in FPP stands for now

What gave it away? My name? (FPP <fred...@gmail.com>)

One might also say that one could easily figure out what the "c" in
clairbear stands for.

[FPP]

Really, Rudy? Is English NOT your native tongue?

>>>> We all know you Hillary and Obama are lying idiots tell us something we
>>>> don't know

Just because bear doesn't use punctuation particularly effectively,
doesn't mean that a literate person wouldn't recognize a question when
he sees one.

The giveaway is the line "tell us something we don't know".

[FPP]

I'm trying to understand how pointing out that somebody has made
batshit crazy and verifiably incorrect statements is in any way racist.

Being offered a full scholarship to a school that HAS NO scholarships?
Dead wrong, and provably so.

Pyramids are grain silo's because the Bible says so? Dead wrong, and crazy.

Racism would be if a white guy said it, and nobody called him out.

Donald Trump saying he's going to create a "Deportation Force" to round
up and deport illegals is just as batshit insane.
(BTW... I wonder if they'll wear black jackboots and death's-head insignia?)

[Rüdy Canôza]

On 11/11/2015 4:10 PM, FPP wrote:
> On 2015-11-11 23:02:35 +0000, R¸dy CanÙza <ru...@ph.con> said:
>
>> On 11/10/2015 11:54 PM, FPP wrote:
>>> On 2015-11-11 04:38:30 +0000, R¸dy CanÙza <ru...@ph.con> said:
>>>
>>>> On 11/10/2015 8:34 PM, FPP wrote:
>>>>> On 2015-11-10 21:51:48 -0500, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n1u611$qqt$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Again, idiots without facts, or knowledge, lie some more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We all know you Hillary and Obama are lying idiots tell us
>>>>>> something we
>>>>>> don't know
>>>>>
>>>>> The Earth is round.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2 + 2 = 4
>>>>>
>>>>> Water is wet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Shall I go on?
>>>>
>>>> You should fuck off is what you should do, asshole.
>>>
>>> People shouldn't ask questions they don't want answers to.
>>
>> No one did.
>
> Really, Rudy?

No one asked you any question at all, lying asshole.

>>>>> We all know you Hillary and Obama are lying idiots tell us
>>>>> something we
>>>>> don't know
>
> Just because bear doesn't use punctuation particularly effectively,
> doesn't mean that a literate person wouldn't recognize a question when
> he sees one.

No question.

You lied.

[FPP]

"tell us something we don't know" is an implied question, you ignorant fuck.

[Rüdy Canôza]

No, you stupid impotent cocksucker, it isn't.

[FPP]

Tell me what makes you so sure

[NoBody]

On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 19:16:24 -0500, FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 2015-11-11 23:03:27 +0000, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:
>
>> NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote in
>> news:8ga64bdjj33ooimtr...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Mon, 09 Nov 2015 08:55:05 -0700, Sn...@smack.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 09 Nov 2015 07:07:00 -0500, NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> So far, bear, you have nothing but accusations. There is no meat on
>>>>>> the bones, and it's pretty easy to do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet you post far less serious accusations about Carson and expect to
>>>>> be taken seriously.
>>>>
>>>> All America is tired of unproven allegations, insinuations, innuendo,
>>>> conjecture, rumors, stories and lies used in place of actual events
>>>> (truth) by the political idiots you kiss ass, NOWUSSY
>>>
>>> Yet you take the lead in making silly attacks against Carson. How
>>> hypocritical of you.
>>>
>>
>> Maybe snout is racist as well as silly. Seems as though the left has a
>> streak of bitter racism and sexism where Republican minorities and women
>> are concerned. 'How dare the stray off the liberal reservation!!'
>
>I'm trying to understand how pointing out that somebody has made
>batshit crazy and verifiably incorrect statements is in any way racist.

Guess you've missed the endless posts you libs direct at people who
criticize Obama. Or maybe you're just a lib hypocrite...

>
>Being offered a full scholarship to a school that HAS NO scholarships?
>Dead wrong, and provably so.
>

If the school requires no tuition, that IS a scholarship. Libs love
playing word games.

>Pyramids are grain silo's because the Bible says so? Dead wrong, and crazy.
>
>Racism would be if a white guy said it, and nobody called him out.

You libs set the bar: say anything about a black man and you're a
racist. We are now applying the standard YOU have helped set.

>
>Donald Trump saying he's going to create a "Deportation Force" to round
>up and deport illegals is just as batshit insane.

Because laws are just suggestions now?

[NoBody]

On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 10:41:46 -0700, Sn...@smack.com wrote:

>On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 11:25:09 -0500, NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> And now they're being conned by a Carnival Barker and a pathological
>>>>> liar with a Persecution complex.
>>>>
>>>> Would that be Trump and Clinton?
>>>
>>>It isn't a Persecution complex, if they've been after you for forty
>>>years... and everybody has seen it.
>>
>>Who has "been after" for forty years?
>
>The resurgence of conservatism that you idiots "thought" that Raygun
>would usher in and last longer than the years of FDR's transformation
>of america to a BETTER place.
>
>Raygun was your hope---but was wrong about core issues that he pushed.
>
>Tax cuts were NOT necessary for ANY reason
>
>Massive spending of Raygun--was promoted as a personal choice against
>a failing soviet system---(Crumbling drastically by the 60's and 70's)
>
>The expansion of stupidity under Bush---the massive debt under Bush
>and the failure of repubicans to allow CHANGE to the ever-growing, GOP
>caused national debt---is the disaster which republicans will forever
>live with
>
>(and you)
>

All that gibberish and you didn't answer my question. How typical.

[NoBody]

On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 10:43:07 -0700, Sn...@smack.com wrote:

>On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 11:26:14 -0500, NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>>The "local level" in the south is definitely conservative in all
>>>aspects
>>
>>They were Democrats you dope.
>
>DIxiecrats (Thurmond, Helms, etc) were avowed racist CONSERVATIVES

DEMOCRATS.

[NoBody]

On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 00:19:13 -0500, FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 2015-11-12 00:20:26 +0000, R¸dy CanŮza <ru...@ph.con> said:
>
>> On 11/11/2015 4:10 PM, FPP wrote:

>>> On 2015-11-11 23:02:35 +0000, R¸dy CanŮza <ru...@ph.con> said:
>>>
>>>> On 11/10/2015 11:54 PM, FPP wrote:

Um, no it isn't. It is much closer to sarcasm.

[NoBody]

And the lying lib coward (who presents ZERO challenge) has fled.

[NoBody]

[NoBody]

[Rüdy Canôza]

The fact that English is my native tongue and I'm extremely well
educated and literate, you stupid fuckwit.

[FPP]

Being an natural English speaker doesn't preclude you being an ignorant
fuck... and thank you, ever so, for making my point that you are none
too bright.

Oh. My. God! You are SO pre-DICK-ta-ble.
You did it! I honestly didn't think you'd fall for it... but you did
it! You answered my QUESTION.

You just spent four or five posts telling me that I was an asshole, and
a lying cocksucker for responding to what bear said because you
insisted that it WASN'T A QUESTION.

So, I figured "What the hell... he's pretty stupid, maybe he'll
willingly prove it to everybody."

So I mimicked bear's question ("tell us something we don't know"), and
posted my own ("Tell me, what makes you so sure") - just to see if
you'd treat it as a question, and answer it.

And you did!

So you obviously, if you agree that "Tell me what makes you so sure" is
a question (and you DO because you ANSWERED it), therefore, you MUST
agree that bear's "tell us something we don't know" is ALSO A QUESTION,
right?

I mean, you just proved that you're stupid enough to respond to exactly
the kind of question that you INSISTED wasn't a question - so what's
your next Magic Trick? Will you deny that you were responding to my
QUESTION?

Or will you admit that you were dead wrong in characterizing bear's
almost identically structured question as something other than what it
really is - a question?

And thanks for trying the typical douchebag trick of redirecting my
reply to "alt.test.shitcannon". I didn't fall for it because that's
what I expected from a turd like you.

Man... you really ARE dumber than a sack of hammers, you know that, Rudy...

Oh... for the record, that was just an observation - not a question.

--
Questions are a burden to others; Answers a prison for oneself." - the Prisoner

[FPP]

On 2015-11-12 07:29:20 -0500, trotsky <gms...@email.com> said:

> On 11/11/15 11:19 PM, FPP wrote:
>> On 2015-11-12 00:20:26 +0000, R¸dy CanÙza <ru...@ph.con> said:
>>
>>> On 11/11/2015 4:10 PM, FPP wrote:
>>>> On 2015-11-11 23:02:35 +0000, R¸dy CanÙza <ru...@ph.con> said:
>
>>>> Just because bear doesn't use punctuation particularly effectively,
>>>> doesn't mean that a literate person wouldn't recognize a question when
>>>> he sees one.
>>>
>>> No question.
>>>
>>> You lied.
>>
>> "tell us something we don't know" is an implied question, you ignorant
>> fuck.
>
>

> Notice how Rudy changed his screen name to avoid killfiles? Not that
> he's a scum sucking slimeball or anything.

I also noticed how he tried the dick-move of redirecting my reply to
"alt.test.shitcannon" - which I figure is the group he's most at home
posting to.

It's a natural fit for him...

He reminds me a lot of PeeStank Alergy, whom we haven't heard from in a
while... guess it's taking ol' PeeStink longer than usual to chew
through the straps of his straight-jacket.

Didja' notice that he DIRECTLY replied to my question, after spending
four or five posts whining that I was a "lying cocksucker" because I
replied to a similar sentence which he insists WASN'T really a question?

Then he brags about being a native English speaker? Too bad he doesn't
understand that speaking and understanding English are two separate
endeavors.
--
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who
are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." -Twain

[clairbear]

FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n20kkj$fag$1...@dont-email.me:

> On 2015-11-11 22:57:08 +0000, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:
>
>> FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n1ugd3$h14$2...@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 2015-11-10 21:51:48 -0500, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:
>>>
>>>> FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n1u611$qqt$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> Again, idiots without facts, or knowledge, lie some more.
>>>>
>>>> We all know you Hillary and Obama are lying idiots tell us
>>>> something we don't know
>>>
>>> The Earth is round.
>>>
>>> 2 + 2 = 4
>>>
>>> Water is wet.
>>>
>>> Shall I go on?
>>
>> And that proof of what, that you have a fisrt grade education?
>
> It was in response to your request that I tell you something you don't
> know...
>
> Judging by your razor sharp grasp of the facts, I figured you could
> use the help.

The FBI is reportedly expanding its investigation into Hillary Clinton's
private email server

The FBI has reportedly expanded its probe into Hillary Clinton's private
email server to examine whether "materially false statements" were ever
provided to agents throughout the course of the case, Fox News reported
on Thursday.

At the center of the new inquiry, according to Fox News, is US Code 18,
Section 1001, which pertains to the willful falsification of material
facts, statements, and documents during a federal investigation. The
code is meant to penalize individuals who knowingly make false or
misleading statements that waste federal agents' time and resources.

"This is a broad, brush statute that punishes individuals who are not
direct and fulsome in their answers," former FBI agent Timothy Gill told
Fox. "It is a cover-all. The problem for a defendant is when their
statements cause the bureau to expend more time, energy, resources to
deconflict their statements with the evidence."

Facing criticism earlier this year for exclusively using a private
server during her time as US secretary of state, Clinton handed over
about 30,000 work-related emails for the State Department to make public
in March. She deleted about 31,000 more emails she says were personal in
nature.

At the time, a US House of Representatives committee requested access to
Clinton's server to ensure that she had not deleted any work-related
emails. But her lawyer, David Kendall, told the committee that Clinton
aides had changed the server's settings so that only emails she sent and
received in the previous 60 days would be saved.

Bloomberg reported in late September that agents had been able to
recover at least some of the 30,000 "private" emails Clinton deleted.
Intriguingly, agents handed some of them over to investigators —
indicating that they are relevant in at least some way to the FBI's
ongoing probe.





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'A flawed process'

In August, Clinton handed her server over to the FBI, which has been
looking into whether any classified information ever passed onto the
server while she served as secretary of state.

As such, the probe has been centered around 18 US Code 793, a section of
the Espionage Act related to gathering and transmitting national-defense
information.

A couple of weeks into the investigation, Charles McCullough, the
intelligence community inspector general, said that two emails had been
found on Clinton's server from 2009 and 2011 that contained information
regarded as "Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information," one of the
highest levels of classification.

But the intelligence community has since walked back on that claim.

"The initial determination was based on a flawed process," a source
familiar with the probe told Politico's Josh Gerstein. "There was an
intelligence product people thought [one of the emails] was based on,
but that actually postdated the email in question."


After months of negative headlines that battered her campaign, the
Democratic presidential front-runner apologized in September for her
email arrangement. But she has insisted that she didn't violate protocol
or pass along material marked classified.

Clinton's use of the server was allowed under State Department
regulations, and, so far, her claim that she never sent nor received
information marked classified has held up under scrutiny. Though some of
her emails did contain classified or "top secret" information, they were
only marked as such after they passed through her server.

Investigators are also examining what measures Clinton and her team took
to secure the server, since there are rules governing how it should be
configured so it is not vulnerable to cyberattacks.

So far, reports that hackers in China, South Korea, Germany, and Russia
tried to break into her server — which was monitored by a relatively
unknown tech firm with no security clearance — have not helped the 2016
presidential candidate wave away concerns.

"The fact that Clinton chose to use her personal email instead of a .gov
account shows that she obviously doesn't understand security," Joe
Loomis, CEO of CyberSponse, a software company, told Business Insider
last month. "What she did is like inviting spies over to dinner — every
device connected to the internet is an opportunity for them to collect
intelligence."

'A foul taste in the FBI's mouth'

In an interview with "60 Minutes" in October, US President Barack Obama
said that though it was probably a "mistake" for Clinton to use a
private email server during her time as secretary of state, it "is not a
situation in which America's national security was endangered."

His comments reportedly angered the FBI, which perceived Obama's
comments as an attempt to influence the outcome of their probe, The New
York Times reported last month.

"Injecting politics into what is supposed to be a fact-finding inquiry
leaves a foul taste in the F.B.I.'s mouth and makes them fear that no
matter what they find, the Justice Department will take the president's
signal and not bring a case," Ron Hosko, a former senior FBI official
who retired in 2014, told The Times.

US Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont), Clinton's top rival for the
Democratic nomination, had made a similar effort to write off concerns
surrounding Clinton's emails a week prior to Obama's "60 Minutes"
appearance.

During a Democratic presidential debate, Sanders said that he and the
American public were "sick and tired of hearing about your damn
emails!" Sanders has since backed off such strong language, saying last
week, "There is an investigation. The FBI is doing what it's doing."



But investigators are annoyed that the president and others passed
judgment about whether Clinton's email setup endangered national
security when officials have yet to determine whether her server was
compromised by foreign adversaries.

Alex McGeorge, a cybersecurity expert at Immunity, believes that
continued concern over Clinton's email setup is warranted.

"Clearly there's a problem with folks in Washington not taking cyber
security seriously and it has serious consequences," McGeorge told
Business Insider in an email.

He added: "So I think there is a benefit to riding this out until the
bitter end with the hope that every other politician who witnesses the
pain Clinton now has to go to will reflect on that prior to making
security decisions."

[clairbear]

FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n20kvg$gvt$1...@dont-email.me:

> On 2015-11-11 22:59:42 +0000, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:
>
>> FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n1ugg7$hbs$1...@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 2015-11-10 22:00:47 -0500, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:
>>>
>>>> FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n1u5fu$pht$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2015-11-10 05:32:32 -0500, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:
>>>>>

>>>>>> FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n1rqvv$54n$1@dont-

Hilary's lies may be about to bite he on the backside

[clairbear]

FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n20l99$i0t$1...@dont-email.me:

> On 2015-11-11 23:02:35 +0000, Rüdy Canôza <ru...@ph.con> said:
>
>> On 11/10/2015 11:54 PM, FPP wrote:

>>> On 2015-11-11 04:38:30 +0000, Rüdy Canôza <ru...@ph.con> said:
>>>
>>>> On 11/10/2015 8:34 PM, FPP wrote:
>>>>> On 2015-11-10 21:51:48 -0500, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:n1u611$qqt$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Again, idiots without facts, or knowledge, lie some more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We all know you Hillary and Obama are lying idiots tell us
>>>>>> something we don't know
>>>>>
>>>>> The Earth is round.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2 + 2 = 4
>>>>>
>>>>> Water is wet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Shall I go on?
>>>>
>>>> You should fuck off is what you should do, asshole.
>>>
>>> People shouldn't ask questions they don't want answers to.
>>
>> No one did.
>
> Really, Rudy? Is English NOT your native tongue?
>
>>>>> We all know you Hillary and Obama are lying idiots tell us
>>>>> something we don't know
>
> Just because bear doesn't use punctuation particularly effectively,
> doesn't mean that a literate person wouldn't recognize a question when
> he sees one.
>
> The giveaway is the line "tell us something we don't know".
>

Tell us something we don't know. It is not a question in a way shape or
form

[clairbear]

FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n217c7$te2$1...@dont-email.me:

> On 2015-11-12 00:20:26 +0000, Rüdy Canôza <ru...@ph.con> said:
>
>> On 11/11/2015 4:10 PM, FPP wrote:

>>> On 2015-11-11 23:02:35 +0000, Rüdy Canôza <ru...@ph.con> said:
>>>
>>>> On 11/10/2015 11:54 PM, FPP wrote:

Wrong yet again freddie

[clairbear]

FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n20lkf$j10$1...@dont-email.me:

> On 2015-11-11 23:03:27 +0000, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:
>
>> NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote in
>> news:8ga64bdjj33ooimtr...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Mon, 09 Nov 2015 08:55:05 -0700, Sn...@smack.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 09 Nov 2015 07:07:00 -0500, NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> So far, bear, you have nothing but accusations. There is no meat on
>>>>>> the bones, and it's pretty easy to do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet you post far less serious accusations about Carson and expect to
>>>>> be taken seriously.
>>>>
>>>> All America is tired of unproven allegations, insinuations, innuendo,
>>>> conjecture, rumors, stories and lies used in place of actual events
>>>> (truth) by the political idiots you kiss ass, NOWUSSY
>>>
>>> Yet you take the lead in making silly attacks against Carson. How
>>> hypocritical of you.
>>>
>>
>> Maybe snout is racist as well as silly. Seems as though the left has a
>> streak of bitter racism and sexism where Republican minorities and women
>> are concerned. 'How dare the stray off the liberal reservation!!'
>
> I'm trying to understand how pointing out that somebody has made
> batshit crazy and verifiably incorrect statements is in any way racist.
>

Read the second line Carson strayed off the reservation in that he is a
black man who like Herman Caine strayed from the party that believes they
own all black votes. So you 'tolerant" liberals will use any means to shout
him down when he prove to a true challewnge to you annointed one

[FPP]

On 2015-11-12 21:28:20 -0500, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:

> The FBI has reportedly expanded its probe into Hillary Clinton's private
> email server to examine whether "materially false statements" were ever
> provided to agents throughout the course of the case, Fox News reported
> on Thursday.

Yes I'm sure Fox News did. What counts isn't what Fox News is making
up this week... what counts is this:

> The FBI declined to respond to questions about the scope of its ongoing work.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/hillary-clinton-email-fbi-probe-215630#ixzz3rL2MiIAe

We've

known about the FBI probe for months... and there is nothing new to
report - but that never stops Fox from stirring the shit every now and
then.

All of your, and their, wishful thinking doesn't amount to a boil on
the ass of Hillary Clinton.

I remember a few weeks ago when it was the "bombshell" Benghazi! (tm)
hearings that was going to produce that "smoking gun" that Fox keeps
insisting had been uncovered. That was going to be Hillary's downfall
(tm), for sure!

If you listen to Fox long enough, you can hear the ocean.
--
“God created war so that Americans would learn geography." -Twain

[FPP]

On 2015-11-12 21:31:44 -0500, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:

> The FBI has reportedly expanded its probe into Hillary Clinton's private
> email server to examine whether "materially false statements" were ever
> provided to agents throughout the course of the case, Fox News reported
> on Thursday.

Loved the shit so much, you posted it twice?

Does that make it any truer?
--
"Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level
and then beat you with experience." -Twain

[FPP]

On 2015-11-12 21:36:51 -0500, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:

> FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n217c7$te2$1...@dont-email.me:
>

>> On 2015-11-12 00:20:26 +0000, R¸dy CanÙza <ru...@ph.con> said:
>>
>>> On 11/11/2015 4:10 PM, FPP wrote:

>>>> On 2015-11-11 23:02:35 +0000, R¸dy CanÙza <ru...@ph.con> said:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/10/2015 11:54 PM, FPP wrote:

Then why did your dimwitted colleague answer an almost identical
question posed by me?

Aren't you two professors bright enough to coordinate your lies?
--
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans." -A Saunders

[FPP]

On 2015-11-12 21:35:48 -0500, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:

> FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n20l99$i0t$1...@dont-email.me:
>

>> On 2015-11-11 23:02:35 +0000, R¸dy CanÙza <ru...@ph.con> said:
>>
>>> On 11/10/2015 11:54 PM, FPP wrote:

>>>> On 2015-11-11 04:38:30 +0000, R¸dy CanÙza <ru...@ph.con> said:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/10/2015 8:34 PM, FPP wrote:
>>>>>> On 2015-11-10 21:51:48 -0500, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:n1u611$qqt$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Again, idiots without facts, or knowledge, lie some more.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We all know you Hillary and Obama are lying idiots tell us
>>>>>>> something we don't know
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Earth is round.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2 + 2 = 4
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Water is wet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Shall I go on?
>>>>>
>>>>> You should fuck off is what you should do, asshole.
>>>>
>>>> People shouldn't ask questions they don't want answers to.
>>>
>>> No one did.
>>
>> Really, Rudy? Is English NOT your native tongue?
>>
>>>>>> We all know you Hillary and Obama are lying idiots tell us
>>>>>> something we don't know
>>
>> Just because bear doesn't use punctuation particularly effectively,
>> doesn't mean that a literate person wouldn't recognize a question when
>> he sees one.
>>
>> The giveaway is the line "tell us something we don't know".
>>
>
> Tell us something we don't know. It is not a question in a way shape or
> form

Well, what is it then? It isn't a declarative statement, and it asks
me to do something (i.e.: "Tell me something...").

Forget for a moment that I'm a proofreader, and my wife is an English
teacher - and school both of us, bear.
What kind of a sentence is it, if not an interrogatory sentence?

The answer is that it's an indirect question. You ASKED me to tell you
something. And I complied.

I know English grammar isn't exactly your strong suit... but that
doesn't change the rules of grammar. I can't help it if you don't
understand what you're writing.
--
"Some cause happiness wherever they go; others whenever they go." -Oscar Wilde

[FPP]

He's a liar, a charlatan, and an idiot.

He lied bout his West Point Scholarship. (Liar)

He shills for miracle pills. (Charlatan)

He thinks the pyramids were built to store grain. (Idiot)

In short, he's the almost perfect conservative, because if there's
anything conservatives love, it's somebody who lies to make money, and
is willing to stick to any hair-brain idea no matter how many facts it
conflicts with.

Shout him down, bear? I'd vote in the Republican Primary to see that
he gets the nomination. I can't think of anyone easier to beat than
Carson.

--
"We used to look up and wonder about our place in the stars. Now we
just look down and worry about our place in the dirt." - Interstellar

[Sn...@smack.com]

On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 20:28:20 -0600, clairbear <clai...@msn.com>
wrote:

>The FBI is reportedly expanding its investigation into Hillary Clinton's
>private email server

Oh WOW----just like when they "expanded" the investigation of Bill
into Monica Lewinsky and his "impechable offenses"

SNICKER

>==========================================================

"These gentlemen are the moral equivalents of America’s
founding fathers.

Ronald Regan introducing the Mujahideen leaders, 1985).

[Sn...@smack.com]

On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 20:35:48 -0600, clairbear <clai...@msn.com>
wrote:

>> Just because bear doesn't use punctuation particularly effectively,
>> doesn't mean that a literate person wouldn't recognize a question when
>> he sees one.
>>
>> The giveaway is the line "tell us something we don't know".
>>
>
>Tell us something we don't know. It is not a question in a way shape or
>form

Tell us something that isn't a FAILED, recurring claim from a dozen
years ago or more.

[Sn...@smack.com]

On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 20:43:06 -0600, clairbear <clai...@msn.com>
wrote:

>Read the second line Carson strayed off the reservation in that he is a
>black man who like Herman Caine strayed from the party that believes they
>own all black votes. So you 'tolerant" liberals will use any means to shout
>him down when he prove to a true challewnge to you annointed one

When somone (black or not) is such a doofus---it's a good thing to
ridicule the halfwit out of running

Be better off.

[clairbear]

FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n23mcn$pvh$1...@dont-email.me:

Wow if anyone went off on Obama like your ranting you'd be calling them
racist or worse. You are a hypocrite.
Thank you for proving me right about you closet racism

[clairbear]

FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote in news:n23l9q$n8f$1...@dont-email.me:

The story was reported on Yahoo finance, along with many other source, you
ignorant DNC stooge