True or False? Walters decides
Vngelis
Posted in the African-American Forum
Jewish Americans are the most powerful and influential ethnic group in
America. Jewish Americans make up 2 percent of the U.S. population yet
comprise 40 percent of U.S. billionaires.
18% of jewish households have a net worth of $1 million or more. More
than 55% of all Jewish Adults received a college degree and 25% earned
a graduate degree.
More than 60% of all employed Jews are in one of the three highest
status job categories: professional or technical (41%), management and
executive (13%) and business and finance (7%).
Over 45% of large gifts made to charity are made by Jewish Americans.
Over 50% of Jewish Americans live in just four states: New York, New
Jersey, Florida and California.
Jewish Billionaires
Lawrence Ellison
Net Worth:$25.0 billion
Sheldon Adelson
Net Worth:$20.5 billion
Sergey Brin
Net Worth:$18.7 billion
Larry Page
Net Worth:$18.6 billion
Michael Dell
Net Worth $17.2 billion
Steve Ballmer
Net Worth $15.2 billion
Carl Icahn
Net Worth $14.5 billion
Michael Bloomberg
Net Worth:$11.5 billion
George Soros
Net Worth:$9.0 billion
Samuel Newhouse
Net Worth $8.5 billion
Source: Forbes Magazine
Jewish Media Executives
Rupert Murdoch
CEO of News Corporation
Robert A. Iger
CEO of the Walt Disney Company
Philippe P. Dauman
CEO of Viacom
Jeff Zucker
CEO of NBC Universal
David Westin
President of ABC News
Donald Graham
CEO of the Washington Post
Mortimer Zuckerman
Editor-In-Chief of U.S.News & World Report
Arthur O. Sulzberger Jr
Publisher of The New York Times
Mel Karmazin
CEO of SIRIUS Satellite Radio
Joanne Lipman
Editor-In-chief of Condé Nast Portfolio
Jann Wenner
Publisher of Rolling Stone Magazine
Source: Wikipedia
Jewish Investment Bankers
Richard S. Fuld, Jr.
CEO of Lehman Brothers
Lloyd C. Blankfein
CEO of Goldman Sachs
Charles R. Schwab
Founder of the Charles Schwab Corporation
Prof. Stanley Fischer
Governor of the Bank of Israel
Bob Zoellick
President of the World Bank
Ben Bernanke
Chairman of the Federal Reserve
Alan D. Schwartz
CEO of Bear Stearns
Bruce Wasserstein
CEO of Lazard LLC
Dr. Josef Ackermann
CEO of Deutsche Bank
Jean Claude Trichet
President of the European Central Bank
James Dimon
CEO of JPMorgan Chase
Blake Grossman
CEO of Barclays Global Investors
Source: Wikipedia
Vngelis
A famous case when SRD claimed US billionaires are prosecuted in a
similar vein with Russian ones
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Rich
Walters arguing with Dusty alleged there were no jewish billionaires.
So the African American who posted the previous post was bullshitting?
I wouldn't include Murdoch as one of them though as he is an Aussie.
The issue will be how many american billionaires there are.
vngelis
dusty
> A famous case when SRD claimed US billionaires are prosecuted in a
>
> Walters arguing with Dusty alleged there were no jewish billionaires.
> So the African American who posted the previous post was bullshitting?
>
> I wouldn't include Murdoch as one of them though as he is an Aussie.
>
> The issue will be how many american billionaires there are.
>
> vngelis
Murdoch's mother is a respected and thoughtful woman.
But Murdoch - formally speaking - is a Jew - as his mother is a
daughter of very Orthodox Melbourne Jews.
His father, Keith Murdoch, of Scottish origins, with deep Australian
roots, an independent and Australian-minded war correspondent in WW 1.
Murdoch keeps bad company... the 9-11 complicit, Zionist set,
Silverstein and ex Israeli "commando" Lowe. And he is, of course a
great propagator of Zionism.
He pushes the self-serving line, current in some Zionist circles, of
an exaggerated hatred of Muslims.
Here is another pusher, with another Scottish name...Ben (Mac?)Stein.
Looks like a Scot too. Stop yourrrre ticklin Ben...
http://spectator.org/archives/2008/12/18/protecting-free-speech
David
> A famous case when SRD claimed US billionaires are prosecuted in a
>
> Walters arguing with Dusty alleged there were no jewish billionaires.
FAIL. never argued this.
Vngelis
But the african american stated an odd 40% of all US billionaires are
of
jewish origin. That would imply a majority would it not or is he
bullshitting?
You argued they own none of the main businesses but if they are
billionaires
they are the real USA. They control it do they not?
vngelis
Vngelis
Any of the other two stooges care to comment or is silence golden to
cover for
their 'ethnic' oligarchs?
vngelis
David
I have no idea what the facts are behind what the quote comes from. It
is not a 'majority' even at 40%. Also you have to understand that the
'richest' is not always the ruling class. it is who *controls* Finance
Capital, the hightest stage of Imperialism, not "who has the money".
At any event, I supect the person who came up with this doesn't know
necessarily what he talks about. Second of all, I've always stated
that Jewish Americans, say, as opposed to African Americans, are the
richest *ethnic* group in America today based stickly on income
levels. Again, so what?
David
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2008/54/400list08_The-400-Richest-Americans_Rank.html
Shows the top "richest" Americans (I assume it's both income and
assets). In the first 20 I note that 5 maybe 6 have Jewish names.
Ooooh...I sense a conspiracy. About the same in the next set of 20.
The key is that the top 40 Americans *control* something like 30% of
ALL the wealth in the US. They are not an "ethnic or racial" group,
they are a *class*. Get it? Read Marx.
David
Vngelis
>
> I have no idea what the facts are behind what the quote comes from. It
> is not a 'majority' even at 40%. Also you have to understand that the
> 'richest' is not always the ruling class. it is who *controls* Finance
> Capital, the hightest stage of Imperialism, not "who has the money".
> At any event, I supect the person who came up with this doesn't know
> necessarily what he talks about. Second of all, I've always stated
> that Jewish Americans, say, as opposed to African Americans, are the
> richest *ethnic* group in America today based stickly on income
> levels. Again, so what?
There were multiple arguments over this.
1. Russians got rid of the oligarchic billionaires, most of whom were
members of the
youth section of the CP and claimed 'jewish' descent.
2. You argued with Dusty that 'jews' dont control America then we find
out they have the most billionaires.
3. I dont believe jews exist anywhere, they are a fabricated nation
and you three are the best example of it.
vngelis
jh
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Exactly. So what? This is the age of imperialism, it's the banks and
the corporations, not how much money single individuals have in their
portfolios. Corporate boards of directors etc. are the last bastion of
WASP control of America -- and the only bastion that really matters in
the last analysis.
BTW, Jews actually aren't the ethnic group with the highest income
level. Saw the figures once and I think it was either Japanese or
Indian-Americans.
-jh-
jh
So we don't exist but we control America anyway? Oy gevalt!
-jh-
Vngelis
>
> So we don't exist but we control America anyway? Oy gevalt!
>
> -jh-
US 'jews' are probably the most americanised of the lot as they have
no
point of reference like all other yanks who claim they come from the
mother country, be they Puerto Rican, African, Italian, Mexican (SRD's
favourite).
What are you of Polish, LIthuanian etc descent and why dont you say so
like all else in the USA?
Why did Marx care to make the distinction?
vngelis
jh
Well, if you want to be technical, from Belarus on the mothers' side
of my family, and us Jews are matrilineal as everybody knows. I do
indeed have the Right of Return, and yes I have relatives in Israel.
There is of course no such thing as a "Belarusian Jew." Or really a
Polish or Lithuanian Jew, no Jews identified themselves as Lithuanian
and few as Polish. Rosa Luxemburg's parents considered themselves
Polish, most Jews in that part of the world considered themselves as,
if anything, Russian. Jews from what is now Belarus and Lithuania were
called and called themselves "Litvaks," a designation that had nothing
to do with the Lithuanian peasant ethnic nationality. The working
class in that part of the world was overwhelmingly Jewish.
Father's side, New England WASP, family story is that they came over
on the Mayflower, but in steerage. From the middle 19th century at
least they were printers and typographers, my father interrupting the
family tradition. And my maternal grandfather was a printer too, and
also a Litvak like my grandmother.
-jh-
srd
Who besides Nazis are going around these days saying the Jews own the
wealth? [Question not rhetorical.] I don't think even the BNP goes
that far overtly.
Conceptualizing the ruling class in the imperialist epoch is an
interesting question on which I'm not sure I agree (on construing the
ruling class as a set of institutions like corporations and banks). I
don't want to engage now because, after all, it's all beside the
point. The reason anti-Semitism is reactionary has nothing to do with
the numbers of Jews who are rich *or* corporately powerful. They
exploit as capitalists, not as Jews.
srd
srd
jh
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Actually the urban legend about the Jews having all the money is not
restricted to Nazis. You even hear it from some black nationalists of
the Farrakhan stripe. And then there's that Chicano nationalist group
in LA that Dave posted about last year running around claiming that
Jews secretly practice human sacrifice and cannibalism as part of
Passover. Who pose as leftists, even running the Chicano Hour LA
Pacifica radio program. Of course with them it's obviously
transference, their resentment at people bringing up Aztec bad
habits...
But that is just kvetching on my part. V and D's particular *variety*
of anti-Semitism is characteristic of the extreme right. Thus I hadn't
been aware till Dave's posting last week from a right-wing source that
their continual boring moanings about Soros and the Bilderberg group
were standard ultra-rightist themes in America. I'd thought it was
just more of his bizarre whackiness.
-jh-
dusty
> Actually the urban legend about the Jews having all the money is not
> restricted to Nazis.
Not all the money, just a huge disproportion. This is the un-addressed
claim:
"48 Percent Of U.S. Billionaires Are Jewish
Posted in the African-American Forum
Jewish Americans are the most powerful and influential ethnic group
in
America. Jewish Americans make up 2 percent of the U.S. population
yet
comprise 40 percent of U.S. billionaires.
18% of jewish households have a net worth of $1 million or more. More
than 55% of all Jewish Adults received a college degree and 25%
earned
a graduate degree.
More than 60% of all employed Jews are in one of the three highest
status job categories: professional or technical (41%), management
and
executive (13%) and business and finance (7%).
Over 45% of large gifts made to charity are made by Jewish Americans.
Over 50% of Jewish Americans live in just four states: New York, New
Jersey, Florida and California.
...etc"
And the list maybe excludes the Jewish dominance of the administration
and money making (now that IS money making!) of the Federal Reserve.
> You even hear it from some black nationalists of
> the Farrakhan stripe. And then there's that Chicano nationalist group
> in LA that Dave posted about last year running around claiming that
> Jews secretly practice human sacrifice and cannibalism as part of
> Passover. Who pose as leftists, even running the Chicano Hour LA
> Pacifica radio program. Of course with them it's obviously
> transference, their resentment at people bringing up Aztec bad
> habits...
An interesting attempt at an amalgam here. A well worn Zionist trick.
> But that is just kvetching on my part. V and D's particular *variety*
> of anti-Semitism is characteristic of the extreme right. Thus I hadn't
> been aware till Dave's posting last week from a right-wing source that
> their continual boring moanings about Soros and the Bilderberg group
> were standard ultra-rightist themes in America. I'd thought it was
> just more of his bizarre whackiness.
>
> -jh-
We'd hardly get it from the Jewish tribalist (often Zionist) dominated
"far left".
"Extreme Right" or not, is it true?
And here, by your attempt at ridicule and "humor" you belittle, deny,
the proven role of Soros and the Bilderberg Group. You jokers and your
mate Macphilistein were caught with your pants down supporting Soros
political destabilisation in Bosnia
- like in Czechoslovakia, Ukraine and everywhere else from where his
NGO's are not banished.
And what are the Global movers and shakers doing at their expensive
talk fests - playing "footsie"?
On the question of the "Extreme Right" - that group - the genuine ones
- not the Murdoch-style Zionists - are as nothing compared with the
real threat to working people - the Global banks and Transnational
Corporations, their central institutions such as Soros NGO's, the
Bilderberg Group and their direct agents, not a few of which reside in
the "far left".
The political power of Jewry in the Australian context has just been
outlined by me in the post on the Australian elections - facts that I
stumbled on - much to my considerable surprise, I might add - in
trying to assess the Australian political scene in the wake of the
extraordinary replacement of PM Rudd and the subsequent election.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.socialism.trotsky/browse_frm/thread/23464255b2807738#
srd
>
> - like in Czechoslovakia, Ukraine and everywhere else from where his
> NGO's are not banished.
>
> And what are the Global movers and shakers doing at their expensive
> talk fests - playing "footsie"?
>
> On the question of the "Extreme Right" - that group - the genuine ones
> - not the Murdoch-style Zionists - are as nothing compared with the
> real threat to working people - the Global banks and Transnational
> Corporations, their central institutions such as Soros NGO's, the
> Bilderberg Group and their direct agents, not a few of which reside in
> the "far left".
Anyone can plainly see that _your_ Naziism is the greatest threat to
the working class. [Which isn't to say you are personally. Personally,
you're a computer virus.]
srd
>
> The political power of Jewry in the Australian context has just been
> outlined by me in the post on the Australian elections - facts that I
> stumbled on - much to my considerable surprise, I might add - in
> trying to assess the Australian political scene in the wake of the
> extraordinary replacement of PM Rudd and the subsequent election.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.socialism.trotsky/browse_...
dusty
And you're a repressed poofter.
Now address yourself to the questions raised you little germ.
Vngelis
Bilderburg aint to do with the 'jews' although many 'jews' participate
in it.
Soros is a nazi collaborator according to his bio, he also claims he
is a
hungarian jew, although to me he is just a yank pure and simple and is
confronted as that and so are his quislings who are labelled 4th
Reichers.
vngelis